[Mb-civic] god will punish bush

Henry Howard hhoward at pcmagic.net
Mon Nov 15 03:17:29 PST 2004


Ian wrote:

> Lyle:
>  
> Don't mince words - tell me what you /really/ think.
>  
> What I find interesting is that, hidden within the (very un-Christian) 
> anger and insult in your response is the fact that you apparently 
> agree with my basic premise about the statement I responded to.  
> Because you now modify it by saying "Christ helps those who help 
> others" (something I would agree with, for the most part), and ascribe 
> the original statement ("God helps those who help themselves") to 
> people like Dick Cheney.  Enough said there.
>  
> As for being the "unofficial Christian spokesman for this group," I 
> have never said anything of the sort, and I challenge you to find that 
> statement anywhere in the archives.  If you do, I'll eat my 
> rosary...(OK, I don't have a rosary 'cause I'm not Catholic; I'll find 
> something else to eat).  Indeed, such an accusation is absurd since it 
> is simply not in my belief or my nature to claim to be the "official" 
> spokesperson for /anything/, much less Christianity or this group.  If 
> anything, I am more likely to have referred to myself as the "token 
> minister," since that it a more probable truth.
>  
> As for accusations - even veiled ones - comparing me to "racist" 
> missionaries, if that is the level at which you want to engage me, I 
> decline to be baited.  Suffice it to say that that would be like 
> calling Gandhi a "warmonger"; since you know little or nothing of my 
> history, you cannot possibly know how inappropriate your remark is.
>  
> As for my beliefs - "dogma," "doctrine," call it what you will - I 
> have made no effort to hide them: they are well known here, and they 
> do not comport with what you (and many others) rail at vis-a-vis the 
> "Christian Right" et al.  And I will reiterate - yet again - that this 
> is where many of you make a big mistake.
>  
> There are right-wing, conservative, evangelical Christians, and there 
> are centrist (and even left-wing), moderate (even liberal), 
> evangelical Christians.  And, statistically, the latter outnumber the 
> former, even in Catholicism.  Given this, when you lump all the 
> Christians together in a big bowl marked "Christian Right" - simply 
> because you /think/ that every evangelical Christian must be a 
> right-wing, conservative, pro-Bush Christian - all you do is alienate 
> an enormous number of Christians who might otherwise become allies.
>  
> Keep it up, Lyle.  You are doing more than you know to derail 
> any valuable, positive, progressive discourse with potential allies.
>  
> Peace.
>  
> ---- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Lyle K'ang <mailto:lyve at netzero.com>
>     *To:* mb-civic at islandlists.com <mailto:mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, November 14, 2004 10:28 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Mb-civic] god will punish bush
>
>     Stop preaching to me Ian-you are actually showing your ignorance
>     by being ONLY Christian in your values or have you forgotten
>     Universal values of the Spirit.
>
>     You do not own your GOD!
>     YOU do not own his teachings-you are ONLY to follow his teachings
>     the BEST YOU know how-period, and from the looks of it you're
>     following it word for word, letter for letter according to a
>     million and one interpretations. Remember follow it by the letter
>     and you too will become a fanatic or pretty close to it.
>
>     Are you one of those that believe Jesus is coming back-Oh! by the
>     way, there is evidence he did, in 68 A.D. Where is that written?
>
>     Why should he come again, when you and I can't even discuss
>     religion. You know where I stand on this man-made junk that has
>     killed millions throughout the centuries...and where was your
>     sweet Jesus then?
>
>     You probably don't know what you're talking about either-just
>     reciting dogma, intellectual banter, and indoctrination...
>
>     Get off the missionary kick-too many people around the World are
>     dead because of the missionary kick.
>
>     I suppose you'll say and so many on the other hand are saved ones
>     because of the Gospel. Saved from whom and saved from
>     what-darkness? Who said these children were dark anyway, Oh! Skin
>     color, therefore ignorant?
>
>     White missionaries-give me a break, brother. I can preach that the
>     LIGHT OF HEAVEN is shining on those who follow me (I mean that),
>     and I'll get a lot of followers, is that what you're trying to do
>     brother, have followers?
>
>     Since when, did anybody anoint you king interpretor? Your
>     statement a while back saying you were the unofficial Christian
>     spokesman for this group just proves my point-white, hypocritical,
>     no vision individuals' pretending to be in the LIGHT!
>
>     The World no matter what religion, has too many of those. Too bad,
>     too sad-watch out you'll end up like BUSH being an instrument of
>     you know who...Look around on the city streets at the homeless,
>     the children being molested, the truck loads being brought in to
>     America as sex slaves-some only 9 years old and younger.
>
>     Christ helps those who help others...rightfully so, Chenny
>     believes 'Christ helps those that help themselves'...So many
>     profess to be good christians (political) and every one is
>     debunked-not one have I met lately that professes to be close to
>     Christ in anyway, a true follower of Christ.
>
>     I have met thousands because of their good works and there I saw
>     Christ. No announcements that are closer, more spiritual, a.k.a
>     Brighter...
>
>     Look inside your own heart before you start preaching, really it's
>     a sin in God's eyes-go scripture chase, like this is seminary...
>
>     If it's not in the scriptures it must be wrong-My GOD, that means
>     everything Buddha, The Mayans Gods', The Hawaiian Kahunas', The
>     Rest of the Ancient World (Older than Christianity by the way), is
>     wrong?
>
>     Like I said, you and I are guest's here and I or you or both can
>     leave anytime...you are not self annointed nor appointed....you
>     are simply a guest here delivery YOUR message and not Christ's,
>     period.
>
>     Lyle K'ang
>     Enterprise Insights:
>     Tools for a Brighter Tomorrow...
>     http://www.SiloManagement.com
>
>     Please note: message attached
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     Lyle:
>      
>     Although I agree with you in principle, please remember that "God
>     helps those who help themselves" is not Scriptural, and it
>     actually anti-Scripture: God helps those who have faith in /Him/
>     and rely on /Him/.  Obviously, this does /not/ mean we are
>     supposed to simply sit on our duffs: there is certainly a time for
>     action.  But if you "believe," then faith and prayer come first -
>     and then feel free to take action if you must.
>      
>     Peace.
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Lyle K'ang <mailto:lyve at netzero.com>
>         *To:* mb-civic at islandlists.com <mailto:mb-civic at islandlists.com>
>         *Sent:* Sunday, November 14, 2004 5:35 PM
>         *Subject:* Re: [Mb-civic] god will punish bush
>
>         How true you are my friends, we must stop the war but never
>         stop whining about the elections. If you (we) don't hammer,
>         who will? Our God? God helps those that help themselves.
>
>
>         Lyle K'ang
>         Enterprise Insights:
>         Tools for a Brighter Tomorrow...
>         http://www.SiloManagement.com
>
>         Please note: message attached
>
>
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>         it is horrible beyond horrible
>         rapidly escalating to a rape of nanking/holocaust status
>         but respectfully baker
>         45% ish of all americans are not like this
>         unfortunately about 50% are
>         situation very very grave
>
>             ----- Original Message -----
>             *From:* peter baker <mailto:djinbaqr at tiscali.co.za>
>             *To:* Michael Butler <mailto:michael at michaelbutler.com>
>             *Sent:* Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:29 PM
>             *Subject:* [Mb-civic] god will punish bush
>
>             bear
>             ......these are the words of a fallujah woman...after the
>             disgusting american 'clean-up'..her words are on the lips
>             of at least 97% of all iraqis....iraq is about as big a
>             fuck-up as one could possibly imagine...the iraqi people
>             just want to be rid of the americans and 'their
>             friends'....when will idiots like blair and bush stop
>             telling blatant lies "the majority of the iraqi people
>             want a democracy", "we are fighting for the iraqi people"
>             etc. etc. ad infinitum.???...falluja is just one city what
>             does ww3 intend...more fallujas going on and on into the
>             foreseeable future ????more deaths, more
>             suffering.??...i'd suggest that it's about time everyone
>             got back on track...the election was lost, stop whining
>             about it. the war in iraq must be stopped if america is to
>             survive...as i have predicted time and time again the days
>             of the 'american empire' are numbered unless the american
>             people wake up.....mad baker
>
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Get a fucking life.




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