From bev at beverlybremers.com  Mon Nov  1 10:21:57 2004
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Mon Nov  1 10:22:06 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
Message-ID: <20041101182157.A0BBA1096F3@ws6-4.us4.outblaze.com>

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From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Mon Nov  1 12:22:35 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
Message-ID: <20041101202230.33D4B4F3E7@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Sorry to miss you, Michael. Have a great trip! Thanks for your support. I love you, too!

Bev


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:03:23 -0700

> 
> Sorry, I am out town leaving the 3rd and will return ,perhaps on the 23rd.
> Michael
> 
> > Sounds like an opportunity for a cheering section...what do you think
> > Michael, Sha, Linda etc?
> > Shall we all go next Friday the 5th? Are there tix available Bev?
> > xo Cara
> > 
> > From: "Beverly Bremers" <bev@beverlybremers.com>
> > Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
> > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:35:30 -0800
> > 
> > Barbara- Thanks for your good wishes! Where do you live? The show is in a
> > lot of cities and is a hoot. Check out their website
> > www.menopausethemusical.com.
> > 
> > Bev
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: barbarasiomos38@webtv.net (Barbara Siomos)
> > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
> > Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:32:14 -0400
> > 
> >> 
> >> Good luck with the show Bev I wish I lived on the West coast... have
> >> been wanting to see that show.:-)
> >> 
> >> barbara
> >>> From: "Beverly Bremers"
> >>> <bev@beverlybremers.com>
> >>> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >>> Date: Fri, Oct 29, 2004, 11:24am (EDT-4)
> >>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
> >> 
> >> Sharmagne - Yes, 366 N. La Cienega, appropriately down the street from
> >> the Beverly Center!
> >> Beverly
> >> ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~++~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~
> >> Barabara - Unfortunately, they have both passed away.
> >> 
> >> Hi guys, I'm back! Had to drop out for awhile, but I missed you all!
> >> ?I have joined the cast of "Menopause The Musical" at the Coronet in
> >> LA, playing Earth Mother, a woman?still living a 60's life-style
> >> (sound familiar?). Sharmagne, you are my inspiration.?So if any of you
> >> LA folks want to have a good laugh, come on down! I'll be there till
> >> Jan. 9th.
> >> 
> >> Beverly
> >> 
> >> Thank you!! I shall be in LA for a week from the first to the 8th.. I'll
> >> try to see it.. Is that on La Cienega?
> >> S.
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Mb-hair mailing list
> >> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Visit my websites:
> > www.beverlybremers.com
> > www.voicercise.net
> > 
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> > 
> > 
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From bev at beverlybremers.com  Mon Nov  1 12:37:05 2004
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Mon Nov  1 12:37:11 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: ticket purchase
Message-ID: <20041101203705.E949A4F3E7@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com>

Cara, Sharmagne & Sherwin - Thank you for coming to the show! It's a hoot! And Sherwin, it'll be educational for you too. 
I look forward to seeing you. You rock!

Bev
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cara Robin" <cararobindesign@hotmail.com>
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: ticket purchase
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:02:13 -0800

> 
> the me three again...!!!
> 
> From: SharmagneS@aol.com
> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: ticket purchase
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 00:19:29 EDT
> 
> 
> In a message dated 10/30/2004 7:58:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> ace@aceross.com writes:
> 
> Looking  forward to meeting everyone:) Thank you!
> 
> Let the sunshine......
> 
> 
> Hi Sherwin it'll be fun like a blind date with 2 hotties!!LOL! at the same
> time!!!  Right Cara! <smile>
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Nov  1 14:07:16 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Nov  1 14:04:52 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
In-Reply-To: <20041101202230.33D4B4F3E7@ws6-5.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <BDABF394.1AD30%michael@michaelbutler.com>

 Sorry to miss out. I return end of Novem
ber so I will come sometime then
Love
Michael

> Sorry to miss you, Michael. Have a great trip! Thanks for your support. I love
> you, too!
> 
> Bev
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:03:23 -0700
> 
>> 
>> Sorry, I am out town leaving the 3rd and will return ,perhaps on the 23rd.
>> Michael
>> 
>>> Sounds like an opportunity for a cheering section...what do you think
>>> Michael, Sha, Linda etc?
>>> Shall we all go next Friday the 5th? Are there tix available Bev?
>>> xo Cara
>>> 
>>> From: "Beverly Bremers" <bev@beverlybremers.com>
>>> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
>>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:35:30 -0800
>>> 
>>> Barbara- Thanks for your good wishes! Where do you live? The show is in a
>>> lot of cities and is a hoot. Check out their website
>>> www.menopausethemusical.com.
>>> 
>>> Bev
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: barbarasiomos38@webtv.net (Barbara Siomos)
>>> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
>>> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:32:14 -0400
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck with the show Bev I wish I lived on the West coast... have
>>>> been wanting to see that show.:-)
>>>> 
>>>> barbara
>>>>> From: "Beverly Bremers"
>>>>> <bev@beverlybremers.com>
>>>>> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>>>> Date: Fri, Oct 29, 2004, 11:24am (EDT-4)
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Hair!
>>>> 
>>>> Sharmagne - Yes, 366 N. La Cienega, appropriately down the street from
>>>> the Beverly Center!
>>>> Beverly
>>>> ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~++~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~
>>>> Barabara - Unfortunately, they have both passed away.
>>>> 
>>>> Hi guys, I'm back! Had to drop out for awhile, but I missed you all!
>>>> ?I have joined the cast of "Menopause The Musical" at the Coronet in
>>>> LA, playing Earth Mother, a woman?still living a 60's life-style
>>>> (sound familiar?). Sharmagne, you are my inspiration.?So if any of you
>>>> LA folks want to have a good laugh, come on down! I'll be there till
>>>> Jan. 9th.
>>>> 
>>>> Beverly
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you!! I shall be in LA for a week from the first to the 8th.. I'll
>>>> try to see it.. Is that on La Cienega?
>>>> S.
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Mb-hair mailing list
>>>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Visit my websites:
>>> www.beverlybremers.com
>>> www.voicercise.net
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Mb-hair mailing list
>>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Mb-hair mailing list
>>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Visit my websites:
> www.beverlybremers.com
> www.voicercise.net
> 
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> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From jason at jasonkane.net  Mon Nov  1 22:33:35 2004
From: jason at jasonkane.net (Jason Kane)
Date: Tue Nov  2 09:21:21 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Today
Message-ID: <200411021721.iA2HLIxf019995@dune>

Hey Everybody,
 
I know that I haven't made much of a secret of my political leanings
lately, but I feel that I have to share what I witnessed this weekend
and how it underlines how important our votes are today.
 
I spent the weekend in Toronto, on a mini-vacation that was much-needed
and well-spent.  In listening to local radio, I was shocked at the level
of free speech allowed on the airwaves.  My two friends and I kept
saying "well, that'd never make it on the air in the States".  Not
because they were shouting the "f-word" or anything, but because we
couldn't imagine a radio station allowing someone to speak out against
the current administration the way these artists were.
 
Our radio and TV stations, as well as the majority of our newspapers,
are under the stranglehold of a handful of companies that cater to
political interest groups and public officials.  Our neighbors up north
enjoy much greater freedom of speech than we do.  Yet President Bush is
constantly saying that we must spread democracy throughout the world.
What kind of democracy allows corporations to dictate content at the
level the US does?  Do we want to perpetuate this across the globe?
 
Eight more soldiers died in Iraq on Saturday.  A Japanese backpacker was
beheaded in Iraq and left in the street, wrapped in an American flag.  I
know that no war is easy, but this was a war we did not need to get
into.  Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but the man who orchestrated 9/11
is still putting out more videos than Ashlee Simpson.
 
The popular vote is so important in this election.  I think the
questions in the 2000 election stemmed from the fact that the popular
vote was so close.  If you live in New York, or another non-battleground
state, please don't think your vote isn't important.  A clear, decisive
popular vote will make election challenges harder to present this time
around.
 
If you're do live in a battlegournd state, and you're still considering
pulling the lever for Bush, please think about how many times he's
pulled our levers in the past four years.  Bush will not mend our
strained relationships with our allies.  He will not put the working
American ahead of corporate cronies.  I can't think of a single instance
where he has proved otherwise.  Tony Blair's wife has spoken out against
Bush's policies, as has Queen Elizabeth.  A poll in England this weekend
shows that Kerry would defeat Bush in that country by a double-digit
margin.  And this is from our "staunchest ally".
 
You don't have to love John Kerry.  You can even think he looks like
Frankenstein's monster, if you want.  But please don't allow this
President to spend four more years tearing down the goodwill the world
was preparing to show us in a post-9/11 world.  I implore you to cast
your ballot for John Kerry and John Edwards.  We need a "do-ver", and
this is the only way we're going to get it.
 
If you've read this far and you still want to vote for Bush, I respect
that.  Please cast your vote as well.  On Wednesday.  :)
 
Jason
 
 
 
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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  2 09:29:04 2004
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Tue Nov  2 09:29:10 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Today
In-Reply-To: <200411021721.iA2HLIxf019995@dune>
Message-ID: <20041102172904.48172.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com>

Nicely written. Let's send Bush back to Crawford.
 
Peace and Blessings ~ Jonathon

Jason Kane <jason@jasonkane.net> wrote:
Hey Everybody,
 
I know that I haven't made much of a secret of my political leanings lately, but I feel that I have to share what I witnessed this weekend and how it underlines how important our votes are today.
 
I spent the weekend in Toronto, on a mini-vacation that was much-needed and well-spent.  In listening to local radio, I was shocked at the level of free speech allowed on the airwaves.  My two friends and I kept saying "well, that'd never make it on the air in the States".  Not because they were shouting the "f-word" or anything, but because we couldn't imagine a radio station allowing someone to speak out against the current administration the way these artists were.
 
Our radio and TV stations, as well as the majority of our newspapers, are under the stranglehold of a handful of companies that cater to political interest groups and public officials.  Our neighbors up north enjoy much greater freedom of speech than we do.  Yet President Bush is constantly saying that we must spread democracy throughout the world.  What kind of democracy allows corporations to dictate content at the level the US does?  Do we want to perpetuate this across the globe?
 
Eight more soldiers died in Iraq on Saturday.  A Japanese backpacker was beheaded in Iraq and left in the street, wrapped in an American flag.  I know that no war is easy, but this was a war we did not need to get into.  Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but the man who orchestrated 9/11 is still putting out more videos than Ashlee Simpson.
 
The popular vote is so important in this election.  I think the questions in the 2000 election stemmed from the fact that the popular vote was so close.  If you live in New York, or another non-battleground state, please don't think your vote isn't important.  A clear, decisive popular vote will make election challenges harder to present this time around.
 
If you're do live in a battlegournd state, and you're still considering pulling the lever for Bush, please think about how many times he's pulled our levers in the past four years.  Bush will not mend our strained relationships with our allies.  He will not put the working American ahead of corporate cronies.  I can't think of a single instance where he has proved otherwise.  Tony Blair's wife has spoken out against Bush's policies, as has Queen Elizabeth.  A poll in England this weekend shows that Kerry would defeat Bush in that country by a double-digit margin.  And this is from our "staunchest ally".
 
You don't have to love John Kerry.  You can even think he looks like Frankenstein's monster, if you want.  But please don't allow this President to spend four more years tearing down the goodwill the world was preparing to show us in a post-9/11 world.  I implore you to cast your ballot for John Kerry and John Edwards.  We need a "do-ver", and this is the only way we're going to get it.
 
If you've read this far and you still want to vote for Bush, I respect that.  Please cast your vote as well.  On Wednesday.  :)
 
Jason

 
 
 
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From ace at aceross.com  Tue Nov  2 12:05:13 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Tue Nov  2 12:05:22 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Today
In-Reply-To: <20041102172904.48172.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041102200516.2690A21F20C@gw04-bur.mroute.net>

I went to vote today....my name was not on the list....they gave me a punch
card.....I voted and they asked me to call in 40 days to see if my vote was
counted!
 
Unbelievable! but true!

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Jonathon Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:29 AM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Today


Nicely written. Let's send Bush back to Crawford.
 
Peace and Blessings ~ Jonathon

Jason Kane <jason@jasonkane.net> wrote:


Hey Everybody,
 
I know that I haven't made much of a secret of my political leanings lately,
but I feel that I have to share what I witnessed this weekend and how it
underlines how important our votes are today.
 
I spent the weekend in Toronto, on a mini-vacation that was much-needed and
well-spent.  In listening to local radio, I was shocked at the level of free
speech allowed on the airwaves.  My two friends and I kept saying "well,
that'd never make it on the air in the States".  Not because they were
shouting the "f-word" or anything, but because we couldn't imagine a radio
station allowing someone to speak out against the current administration the
way these artists were.
 
Our radio and TV stations, as well as the majority of our newspapers, are
under the stranglehold of a handful of companies that cater to political
interest groups and public officials.  Our neighbors up north enjoy much
greater freedom of speech than we do.  Yet President Bush is constantly
saying that we must spread democracy throughout the world.  What kind of
democracy allows corporations to dictate content at the level the US does?
Do we want to perpetuate this across the globe?
 
Eight more soldiers died in Iraq on Saturday.  A Japanese backpacker was
beheaded in Iraq and left in the street, wrapped in an American flag.  I
know that no war is easy, but this was a war we did not need to get into.
Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but the man who orchestrated 9/11 is still
putting out more videos than Ashlee Simpson.
 
The popular vote is so important in this election.  I think the questions in
the 2000 election stemmed from the fact that the popular vote was so close.
If you live in New York, or another non-battleground state, please don't
think your vote isn't important.  A clear, decisive popular vote will make
election challenges harder to present this time around.
 
If you're do live in a battlegournd state, and you're still considering
pulling the lever for Bush, please think about how many times he's pulled
our levers in the past four years.  Bush will not mend our strained
relationships with our allies.  He will not put the working American ahead
of corporate cronies.  I can't think of a single instance where he has
proved otherwise.  Tony Blair's wife has spoken out against Bush's policies,
as has Queen Elizabeth.  A poll in England this weekend shows that Kerry
would defeat Bush in that country by a double-digit margin.  And this is
from our "staunchest ally".
 
You don't have to love John Kerry.  You can even think he looks like
Frankenstein's monster, if you want.  But please don't allow this President
to spend four more years tearing down the goodwill the world was preparing
to show us in a post-9/11 world.  I implore you to cast your ballot for John
Kerry and John Edwards.  We need a "do-ver", and this is the only way we're
going to get it.
 
If you've read this far and you still want to vote for Bush, I respect that.
Please cast your vote as well.  On Wednesday.  :)
 
Jason
 
 
 
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Musical HAIR, by Jonathon Johnson. For more information on the book and how
to order it, visit www.goodhairdays.net <http://www.goodhairdays.net/> .
Visit our other websites at www.uversa.net <http://www.uversa.net/>  and
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From barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net  Tue Nov  2 16:48:19 2004
From: barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Tue Nov  2 16:48:28 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Today
In-Reply-To: "ace" <ace@aceross.com>'s message of Tue,
	2 Nov 2004 12:05:13 -0800
Message-ID: <14744-41882AD3-1225@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net>

Sherwin they are supposed to have something called a processing card is
this what you were given?...... Whatever you do P-L-E-A-S-E follow up on
this, do NOT let them get away with it. I am assuming this was in
California?

peace,
barbara

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From ace at aceross.com  Tue Nov  2 17:08:29 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Tue Nov  2 17:08:36 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Today
In-Reply-To: <14744-41882AD3-1225@storefull-3211.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <20041103010831.312EE3880C3@gw01-bur.mroute.net>

I did I called Kerrys office and they said that the election is not official
for 28 days.........something smells rotten in the US of A. I will follow
up..........

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Barbara Siomos
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:48 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Today

Sherwin they are supposed to have something called a processing card is this
what you were given?...... Whatever you do P-L-E-A-S-E follow up on this, do
NOT let them get away with it. I am assuming this was in California?

peace,
barbara


From SharmagneS at aol.com  Wed Nov  3 04:01:46 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov  3 04:02:09 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Today
Message-ID: <1db.2e0e58d4.2eba22aa@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/2/04 11:29:36 AM, goodhairdays@yahoo.com writes:


> 
> Nicely written. Let's send Bush back to Crawford.
> 
>  ?
> 
>  Peace and Blessings ~ Jonathon
> 
> 

I agree but it doesn't look as if it is going to happen..
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Wed Nov  3 04:04:12 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov  3 04:04:25 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Today
Message-ID: <1e3.2deed5d2.2eba233c@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/2/04 02:06:01 PM, ace@aceross.com writes:


> 
> I went to vote today....my name was not on the list....they gave me a punch 
> card.....I voted and they asked me to call in 40 days to see if my vote was 
> counted!
> 
>  ?
> 
>  Unbelievable! but true!
> 
> 

I can only hope they count the absentee ballots.. because so many Kerry 
supporters were afraid to try to vote without a paper trail..
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Wed Nov  3 04:23:06 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov  3 04:23:19 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Twelve Ways Bush is Now Stealing the Ohio Vote
Message-ID: <12f.4f444c40.2eba27aa@aol.com>


Twelve Ways Bush is Now Stealing the Ohio Vote

by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman

The Republican "November Surprise" to steal the 2004 election is in full 
force here in Ohio. With polls showing a dead heat, the GOP is staging an all-out 
attack on a fair vote count in the Buckeye State.

Here are a dozen ways they're doing it:

Under an archaic Ohio law, both the Republican and Democratic Parties, or any 
slate of five candidates, may embed official election challengers inside 
polling places. The New
York Times reported on Oct. 23 that the Republican Party intends to place 
thousands of lawyers and other GOP faithfuls inside the polls to challenge 
voters. Republican insiders confide here that the key goal is to jam lines and 
frustrate new voters. The GOP apparently figures many voters
in key Democratic precincts won't wait in line more than 15 minutes to vote.

This is certain to be a major tactic in Cleveland's Cayahoga County and other 
Democratic strongholds. The GOP is not planning to challenge voters in 
Republican districts.
Republican party has sent letters challenging thousands of Franklin County 
students who are registered to vote absentee. Franklin County is home to 
Columbus, the state's largest
city and its capitol. Though it is also home to Ohio State University, 
thousands of local students go to schools outside the county or state. The GOP 
apparently does not want their votes counted.

This unprecedented mass challenge has prompted the Franklin County Board of 
Elections,whose director is a conservative Republican, to reserve the large 
Veterans Memorial
Auditorium downtown to process the challenges this Thursday, as John Kerry 
comes to town with Bruce? Springsteen. The? County has told thousands of 
students that if they don't appear in Columbus to answer the GOP challenges, they may 
lose their right to vote.
? ? ?
The Franklin County Board of Elections has called or written an undetermined 
number of voters who obtained absentee ballots, challenging their addresses. 
In at least one case, after a series of angry phone calls, the Board admitted 
there was nothing wrong with the address in question and
re-instated voting rights. The voter in question was a registered Democrat. 
His wife, an independent at the same address, was not challenged. It is unclear 
how many others
have been wrongly knocked out.
? ? ?
Even if they are counted, Franklin County's absentee ballot forms are rigged 
in ways strikingly reminiscent of those in Florida 2000. On many absentee 
forms, Kerry is listed third on
the list of presidential candidates. But the actual number you punch for 
Kerry is "4." If you punch "3" you've just voted for Bush. Sound familiar?
? ? ?
Franklin County's right wing Elections Director is insisting on e-voting 
machines which have malfunctioned in at least two Congressional elections, and 
which have no paper trail.

The November issues of Popular Science and Popular Mechanics Magazines ran 
the following? headlines on their covers, respectively: "E-vote emergency: And 
you thought dimpled
chads were? bad'" and "Could hackers tilt the election?" Vigorous protests 
against the paperless machines have been staged here, but many will be used, 
rendering a meaningful recount impossible.
? ? ?
In four other Ohio counties, the notorious Diebold company, whose CEO Wally 
O'Dell has pledged? to deliver Ohio's votes to Bush, will provide the e-voting 
machines to count votes
without any paper trail while using proprietary "secret" software.

O'Dell lives in the wealthy Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington and is a major 
Bush donor.
? ? ?
Twenty GOP-dominated Ohio counties have given wrong information to former 
felons about their voter eligibility. In Hamilton County, home of Cincinnati and 
the Republican Taft
family, officials told numerous former felons that a judge had to sign off 
before they could vote, which is blatantly false.

Franklin County, which normally cancels 2-300 registered voters a year for 
felony convictions, has sent at least 3500 cancellation letters to both current 
felons and ex-felons whose convictions date back to 1998. The list includes 
numerous citizens who were charged with felonies but
convicted only of misdemeanors.

Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell has reversed a 
long-standing Ohio practice and is barring voters from casting provisional ballots within 
their county if they are registered to vote but there's been a mistake about 
where they are expected to cast their ballot. In this year's spring primaries, 
Blackwell allowed voters to cast provisional ballots by county, even if they 
were in the wrong precinct. But this fall, such voters will have to leave the 
wrong precinct and find their way to? the right one.

Blackwell hopes to succeed Republican Bob Taft as governor, and has labored 
hard to install e-voting machines with no paper trail, to give the statewide 
contract to Diebold, and to
take a long series of steps apparently designed to help hand Ohio to George 
W. Bush.Blackwell is being widely compared to the infamous Katherine Harris, 
who handed Florida to
George W. Bush in 2000 and was rewarded with a safe Congressional seat.
? ? ?
The Columbus Dispatch (which has endorsed Bush) and WVKO Radio have both 
documented phone calls from people impersonating Board of Elections workers and 
directing
registered voters to different and incorrect polling sites. One individual 
was falsely told not to vote at the polling station across the street from his 
house, but at a "new" site, four miles away. UnderBlackwell's new rules, such a 
vote would not be counted.
? ? ?
In Cincinnati, some 150,000 voters were moved from active to inactive status 
within the last four years for not voting in the last two federal elections. 
This is not required under Ohio law, but is an option allowed and exercised by 
the Republican-dominated Hamilton County Board of Elections.
? ? ?
Secretary of State Blackwell ruled that any voter registration form on other 
than 80-pound weight bond paper would not be accepted. This is an old law left 
over from pre-scanning days. Many voters who had registered on lighter paper, 
had their registration returned, even though the forms
had been officially sanctioned by local election boards.

No Republican has ever won the presidency without carrying Ohio. This year 
the GOP seems determined to win it, no matter what they have do to the electoral 
process.

Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman are co-authors of "George Bush Versus the? 
Superpower of Peace"
and "Imprison George Bush", from http://www.freepress.org./
=========
Frightening times

Dear everyone,

Unfortunately the man described by his former Japanese teacher at HLS as a 
"pathological liar" and weak character seems to be wining the elections, and he 
might soon start a couple of new wars.

He clearly lost the televised debates against Kerry, despite being remote 
controlled,tutored and whispered by his advisors during the debates. As usual he 
lied about it (see Kevin Berger: NASA Photo Analyst: Bush Wore a Device During 
Debate", at http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/bulge/ ). Despite 
remote control the Bush camp was on the brink of losing.

As expected, the 11th hour sort of thing happened. It is the Bin Laden 
video--released four days before the counting of the vote starts--that will help him 
to win. Be it the old friendship between the Bush and Bin Laden families that 
doesn't rust easily or the belief of some observers that Bin Laden remains 
one of the most valuable assets of the CIA, who knows.

Why will Bush win? Chiefly because the US voters trust him more to win the 
"war on terror" (a misnomer and false strategy). This seems odd taken the very 
fact that Bin Laden has not been brought to justice, "dead or alive" as Bush 
promised three years ago, after 9-11.

The result of the first Bush presidency does not support the voters' belief: 
Bush's "war on terror", which is in reality a war for oil in Iraq (predated by 
a military advance to the borders of China and the former USSR in 
Afghanistan), has resulted in the most effective spread of terrorism in
recent times.? Remember, we are talking about US-made terrorism. Modern 
Islamists terrorism exists since Brzezinski
convinced Carter (the peace angel) to fund and facilitate the building-up of 
al-Qaeda and the training of ten thousands of Mujaheddin, future terrorists 
(as Rashid convincingly disclosed), in order to undermine the USSR and 
China--for which Brzezinski has credited himself, when he was a little tipsy in Paris 
someyears ago. Bush's remote-controlling advisors are eager to beat 
Brzezinski's record and create havoc in even more countries.

Bush might win because reality doesn't count for US voters, especially for 
Bush voters. 75% of those still believe that Saddam had WMD and relations with 
al-Qaeda; despite all inquires that proved that the Iraq war was started under 
false pretences.

The Bush gang the most serious threat to world peace since the end of the 
Cold War. This small power elite is both, a relative novelty and aberration. It 
is the result of an unholy alliance of extremists, the `born-again' Christian 
fundamentalist hard right combined with Lukidists (radical Zionists) and 
neo-conservatives (PNAC). They are accountable to no one but "chosen by God". The 
gang, less than a dozen of "advisors" and officials, decided to invade Iraq. It 
soon turned into a nightmare.

They will increase the troops in Iraq, soon after the US elections, assault 
Fallujah and other no-go areas, but it won't help them.

The gang will have ample time to continue bulling other nations, invading 
resource rich countries and tearing down all rules of civilized international 
behaviour--until January 2009, if they don't go nuclear and start World War III.

Frightening times in the fore!
CP Scherrer
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From: Charles at charleskaiser.com (Charles Kaiser)
Date: Wed Nov  3 18:47:17 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] profoundly intelligent
Message-ID: <200411040247.iA42lDSh024241@dune>


>>         This is by my brother David, a professor of history in the 
>> strategy department of the Naval War College in Newport, R.I., and the 
>> author of five books, on subjects ranging from Sacco and Vanzetti to 
>> John Kennedy and the Vietnam war.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How did We Come so Far? The Meaning of Tuesday's Election
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         The day after George Bush's re-election to the presidency, the 
>>>> evidence is mounting that the United States faces the third great 
>>>> turning point in its history as a nation. As William Strauss and Neil 
>>>> Howe have pointed out in their vitally important works Generations and 
>>>> The Fourth Turning, great crises in American political life occur 
>>>> roughly every eighty years?first in the era of the Revolutionary War 
>>>> and the Constitution, then during the Civil War, and then in the 
>>>> Depression and in the Second World War, which created the 
>>>> now-vanishing world in which every American under 62 has spent his 
>>>> entire life. (For more on their theories and their books, see 
>>>> www.fourthturning.com, where I have been a frequent contributor.) The 
>>>> election pitted two entirely different philosophies against one 
>>>> another. On the one hand, the Democrat John Kerry wants, essentially, 
>>>> to continue building upon the achievements of Franklin Roosevelt, John 
>>>> Kennedy, and Lyndon Johnson, with a nod to Bill Clinton?s remarkable 
>>>> budget-balancing achievements. On the other, George W. Bush wants 
>>>> almost entirely to undo the work of the twentieth century, vastly 
>>>> reducing public services, effectively ending environmental regulation, 
>>>> reducing or eliminating progressive taxation, privatizing social 
>>>> security, and essentially substituting faith for reason as our guide. 
>>>> Abroad, meanwhile, he has already junked 60 years of multilateralism 
>>>> and commitment to international law in favor of a belief in the 
>>>> efficacy of unbridled American force. These changes are so dramatic 
>>>> that many in the major media refuse to believe they are taking place. 
>>>> Richard Cohen of the Washington Post has expressed astonishment at his 
>>>> many friends who see catastrophe lurking if Bush should be reelected, 
>>>> and when Wall Street Journal reporter Ron Suskind told Chris Matthews 
>>>> that many Bush supporters see the President as a messenger from God, 
>>>> Matthews exclaimed, ?Oh, come on!? ?prompting Suskind to exhort 
>>>> Matthews to get out of Washington and see what was happening in the 
>>>> rest of the country.
>>>>The wholesale repudiation of the beliefs of our educated elite at the 
>>>>highest levels of our government?amply documented in Suskind?s recent 
>>>>New York Times Magazine article?does come as a shock, but Strauss and 
>>>>Howe?s historical scheme helps understand how it has happened. Nor is 
>>>>it without precedent in western history, as something quite similar 
>>>>happened in Great Britain at the end of the eighteenth century. Every 
>>>>great crisis has winners and losers?and losers, as every sports fan 
>>>>knows, have longer memories and bigger incentives than winners. Bush, 
>>>>Karl Rove and the rest of the Republican establishment have managed to 
>>>>forge a coalition of the losers in both of our last two national 
>>>>crises?the business interests who resented the New Deal, and the white 
>>>>Southerners who have never been fully reconciled to the effects of the 
>>>>Northern victory in the civil war. Meanwhile the bi-coastal elite has 
>>>>made the natural but critical mistake of taking its parents? victories 
>>>>for granted and assuming that nothing, really could change very much. 
>>>>The new conservative coalition, which initially emerged between the 
>>>>1960s and the 1980s, now may be poised to set the direction of American 
>>>>life for most of our children?s lifetimes.
>>>>The New Deal, combined with the Second World War, created the most 
>>>>progressive tax structure in American history, and in the 1950s and 
>>>>early 1960s?a period of sustained economic growth?the top marginal 
>>>>income tax rate had reached 90%. Meanwhile, labor unions dominated the 
>>>>industrial work force and insured, until 1973, that workers? income 
>>>>would continue to increase relative to the rest of the population. 
>>>>Corporate America had to live with these changes, and some more 
>>>>enlightened business leaders accepted them as the price of civic order, 
>>>>but by the 1970s the top rates had fallen and a tax revolt was 
>>>>beginning. Foreign competition was also making heavy inroads in 
>>>>critical areas like automobile production, and this in the long run was 
>>>>going to weaken the standing of American workers. But the real 
>>>>corporate offensive against both taxes and workers? rights began, of 
>>>>course, in the 1980s under Ronald Reagan, and the erosion of the union 
>>>>movement has been dramatic since then. The US Government had been 
>>>>pushing free trade since the late 1930s, when the United States was 
>>>>industrially supreme, and in the 1990s further extensions of free 
>>>>trade, most notably through NAFTA and agreements with the Chinese, 
>>>>essentially destroyed much of our high-wage industrial economy?and the 
>>>>most important part of the New Deal voting coalition along with it. 
>>>>With three days to go to the 2004 Presidential election, Michigan has 
>>>>become a toss-up?something that would not have happened, in my opinion, 
>>>>if Democratic legislators and administrations had done more to prevent 
>>>>the collapse of American industry that Michael Moore documented in 
>>>>Roger and Me. Accustomed to ruling and comfortable in Washington, the 
>>>>Democratic leadership apparently forgot where its votes came from.
>>>>Republicans, meanwhile, could not openly repudiate the principles of 
>>>>the New Deal?that the government owed the people the assurance of jobs 
>>>>that paid living wages. Supply-side economics came to the rescue, 
>>>>arguing not that great fortunes merely represented the survival of the 
>>>>fittest (the view of post-Civil War Republicans), but that they would 
>>>>benefit the rest of the country. (The Republicans? need to pretend that 
>>>>their policies have the opposite effect that they actually have is one 
>>>>of the chief causes of the degradation of American political life. It 
>>>>has culminated in George Bush?s campaign stump speech, which argues 
>>>>that all the beneficiaries of his tax cuts are job-creating small 
>>>>business owners.) Officially we are seeking the same goals by more 
>>>>efficient means. Actually both the relative and the absolute bargaining 
>>>>power of working-class Americans are continually eroding, and the gap 
>>>>between executive pay and worker pay has increased by one or two orders 
>>>>of magnitude. Meanwhile the economic rights of retirees are being 
>>>>stripped away as well, as guaranteed pensions are eliminated from most 
>>>>private employment. Ironically, the diminishing resources of the 
>>>>elderly are bound to create a crisis in the economy of the Republican 
>>>>Sunbelt eventually, but that may take another decade or two.
>>>>Corporate America is now stronger in Washington than it has been since 
>>>>the 1890s, and stands for the most part firmly behind the 
>>>>Administration. The broadcast media are either firmly in the Republican 
>>>>camp or too intimidated to take it on directly. The print media, where 
>>>>rationality is still prized, remains more faithful to earlier 
>>>>traditions, and Kerry commands far more newspaper endorsements, but 
>>>>even there, several publishers (such as those of the Denver Post and 
>>>>the Chicago Tribune) have overruled their editorial boards and insisted 
>>>>on backing Bush. The corporate elite has been doing what it naturally 
>>>>does, trying to amass more wealth?and the restraints against it have 
>>>>gradually come down. It has now become the biggest single pillar of the 
>>>>Republican Party.
>>>>While corporate America funds Bush (and is rewarded in return), the 
>>>>foot soldiers who provide the votes come, in their largest numbers, 
>>>>from the white South and (in smaller numbers) from the Plains states. 
>>>>To understand how this has happened we must go back even further, to 
>>>>the aftermath of the civil war.
>>>>Few historical forces equal the strength of bad conscience. In the 
>>>>aftermath of the Civil War, the white elite of the Confederacy sought 
>>>>both to re-establish its power and to prove the justice of its 
>>>>principles by keeping freed slaves in a position of permanent civil and 
>>>>economic inferiority. But the southerners continued to see themselves 
>>>>as the exploited losers in the conflict, and between 1933 and 1945 they 
>>>>aligned themselves with northern workers as part of the New Deal 
>>>>coalition. In return, Franklin Roosevelt made no major moves to 
>>>>challenge white supremacy. And the South benefited considerably from 
>>>>the Second World War and the Cold War, since senior southern 
>>>>legislators managed to make sure that a substantial part of the new 
>>>>military-industrial complex was located inside their region.
>>>>The northern Democratic embrace of the civil rights movement in 1948, 
>>>>of course, began to crack the solid South, beginning with the candidacy 
>>>>of Strom Thurmond. But the Democratic retreat became a rout, as 
>>>>President Lyndon Johnson privately predicted, after the voting rights 
>>>>act of 1965. Since then only two Democratic southerners, Jimmy Carter 
>>>>(once) and Bill Clinton, have managed to win any southern electoral 
>>>>votes at all?and Al Gore, another southerner, was unable to repeat that 
>>>>performance in 2000. Johnson was right?by signing the Voting Rights 
>>>>Act, he turned the South over to the Republican Party for a generation.
>>>>These results suggest an unpleasant truth?that the whites of most of 
>>>>the old Confederacy have never accepted full equality for black 
>>>>citizens. But the civil rights movement has had other sad and ironic 
>>>>results as well. Because many southern whites refuse to send their 
>>>>children to school with blacks, segregation is at near-1950s levels in 
>>>>much of the rural south, such as the Mississippi Delta. Because white 
>>>>voters apparently are disinclined to fund public black schools as well 
>>>>as private white ones, spending on public education remains very low, 
>>>>and the anti-tax movement is extremely popular in the South. And that 
>>>>philosophy has now been introduced into our national life by the Bush 
>>>>Administration. The underfunded No Child Left Behind Act, as currently 
>>>>administered, will result in the discrediting of thousands of public 
>>>>schools and accelerate a movement towards private ones among better-off 
>>>>Americans. Meanwhile, the testing movement, by focusing on math and 
>>>>reading, seems designed to produce a generation of poorer children 
>>>>whose intellectual skills will be just sufficient to hold down jobs at 
>>>>Wal-Mart. The cost of higher education has increased by 2.5 times, 
>>>>controlling for inflation, in the last forty years. All around the 
>>>>country, even once-great state universities like Michigan and North 
>>>>Carolina are being crippled by budget cuts.
>>>>There remains, of course, the third pillar of the new Republican 
>>>>coalition, the cultural one. This too is a key to Republican strength 
>>>>in the South, the Midwest and the Plains states, and it has been the 
>>>>hardest for blue-zone Americans to take seriously. Much of it has come 
>>>>in reaction to the sexual liberation of the last few decades, which a 
>>>>vocal and increasingly powerful minority of Americans have never 
>>>>accepted. But more generally, the Republican cultural assault involves 
>>>>a new emphasis on faith and an attack on science and rational analysis 
>>>>in general that seems to have reached the highest levels of the 
>>>>government. George Bush?s disdain for factual analyses is well known, 
>>>>and American scientific authorities have frequently branded his whole 
>>>>Administration as unwilling to acknowledge accepted science in a 
>>>>variety of fields.
>>>>The United States was a child of the Enlightenment and has 
>>>>traditionally valued its trust in science and inquiry, but reason, 
>>>>alas, seems destined to remain what David Hume (himself an 
>>>>Enlightenment figure) called it more than two centuries ago: the slave 
>>>>of the passions. Reason, indeed, which was probably never more supreme 
>>>>in American life than around 1950 or so, has been under attack in the 
>>>>academy since the 1960s, with fairly disastrous results in the 
>>>>humanities and social sciences. If postmodernists no longer feel bound 
>>>>by objective truth, why should their counterparts on the right? As I 
>>>>pointed out in my last post, reverence for truth was a casualty of the 
>>>>Left?s war on the establishment in the Vietnam era?which divided the 
>>>>left, perhaps fatally, for the rest of our lifetimes. (To be sure, the 
>>>>establishment discredited its own respect for the truth by beginning 
>>>>and continuing the war in Vietnam, but the younger generation went much 
>>>>further down that path. )The Right has followed along, with devastating 
>>>>impacts on American life.
>>>>Who can be surprised, really, that so many Americans are no longer 
>>>>voting with their heads? In 1932 both Herbert Hoover and Franklin 
>>>>Roosevelt made long speeches of astonishing factual complexity to show 
>>>>that they understood the country?s problems. During the last thirty 
>>>>years we have steadily sunk into a sound bite culture. How many 
>>>>Americans know how much the federal government spends every year, or 
>>>>what the deficit is? How many have a real sense of the recent economic 
>>>>changes in American life? How many could name the leaders of Congress, 
>>>>or actually follow the progress of legislation? In a famous and telling 
>>>>moment late in the 2000 campaign, Cokie Roberts suggested that Al 
>>>>Gore?s reference to the Dingell-Norwood Bill would turn off voters, 
>>>>because it was ?Washington speak.? A well-known journalist for a major 
>>>>network, whose father had been a Congressional leader for decades, now 
>>>>regarded a knowledge of what was actually happening in Washington as 
>>>>something for a candidate to hide. With such opinion leadership, we 
>>>>cannot expect much from the American people.
>>>>And thus, it is possible, though hardly certain, that Bush's victory on 
>>>>Tuesday might indeed usher in an entirely new era in American life?one 
>>>>marked by an increasingly weak state, a shrinking safety net, a return 
>>>>of elderly poverty on a large scale, and a division of the country into 
>>>>a rich elite and a mass of insecure workers that would bring a smile to 
>>>>the face of Karl Marx. It would not be the first time that a western 
>>>>nation had taken a big step backward. Eighteenth century England had 
>>>>established the rights of man and a form of religious toleration. Its 
>>>>social life was frankly hedonistic and licentious; its politics, though 
>>>>largely limited to the aristocracy, were extraordinarily free; and 
>>>>religious belief had become a mere formality. Many leading Englishmen 
>>>>wanted to move towards democracy in the mid-eighteenth century, and but 
>>>>for George III, they might have. His rule, however, and the general 
>>>>reaction to the American and French revolutions, led England away from 
>>>>democracy and open inquiry and towards tighter aristocratic rule, a far 
>>>>greater role for the Church of England, and a more rigid and unequal 
>>>>class structure than ever in the first half of the nineteenth century, 
>>>>as the effects of the industrial revolution were first being felt. Only 
>>>>the Union victory in the American civil war, which the whole western 
>>>>world saw as a victory for democracy over aristocracy, reversed the trend.
>>>>It is possible that we are not destined for a new Victorian age. Even 
>>>>without a Kerry victory on Tuesday, Democrats and rationalists may yet 
>>>>find new energy and manage to reverse the tide. But to do so, they will 
>>>>need causes to rival the economic and religious totems of the 
>>>>Republicans. Merely standing for the status quo of the second half of 
>>>>the twentieth century is not enough. The losers in our last two crises 
>>>>have been in the ascendant for twenty years because they cared enough 
>>>>to do anything to win. That is the eternal advantage of those who have 
>>>>been denied victory for too long, and it is a far more powerful 
>>>>influence in history than we have generally recognized.
>>
>>------------------
>>
>>Postscript:
>>
>>   In an attempt to make sense of this disaster, I found a table of per 
>> capita income by states. The results were rather astonishing.
>>
>>             Of the bottom 28 states in per capita income, Bush carried 
>> 26 of them--all but Maine and Oregon. (The bottom state, Tom--you won't 
>> be surprised to learn--is Mississippi.) Florida ranks at the top of that group.
>>
>>             Of the top 23 (including DC), Kerry carried 18 of 
>> them--including the top 9.  Inside that group the only states Bush 
>> carried were Colorado, Virginia (hi Janie), Alaska, Wyoming, and Nevada.
>>
>>             A calculation I showed a view months ago showed nearly the 
>> same correlation states that spent more than the median on education per 
>> child (voted for Gore) and less (for Bush)--with the major exception of 
>> California.  (Which probably means that California is spending less of 
>> its Gross State Product on education than anyone, per capita.)
>>
>>             So much for Karl Marx!  The most pro-rich Administration 
>> since William McKinley sits in office thanks to the votes of the poorer 
>> states.  Amazing.
>>

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Charles Kaiser
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From venuetheatre at juno.com  Thu Nov  4 06:27:17 2004
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (Corinne Broskette)
Date: Thu Nov  4 06:28:54 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Message-ID: <20041104.092719.768.4.venuetheatre@juno.com>

As a member of Move On, I was assigned to hand out info at my local
polling place.  It was relatively quiet, but here are a few of the things
that I noticed:
A man in this district who had a precinct number that was not only not in
this area but on the other side of the county in another town!  Was he
allowed to vote?  I don't know, he did not check back in with me. 
People in the same household, one had been assigned to another district; 
One woman who had applied for an absentee ballot which she did not
receive (her husband did get his and they applied at the same time).  She
had to demand a provisional ballot, which they did not want to give her,
as her right as a citizen to vote!  She did check back in with me and we
were so proud of her. 
People whose voting place had been changed, they were in their 70's and
had always voted at this polling place, luckily there new spot was only a
few blocks away; 
Most of the people who did speak to us were definitely pro Kerry, there
was a very upbeat and hopeful feeling; and 
My PERSONAL experience, a voting card which would not go into the
machine!  (Electronic here in FL)  After many tries by both myself and
the person who was trained to trouble shoot the machines, I asked for
another card.  They REFUSED and insisted on "reactivating" the card. 
After reactivation, it still took several tries before the actual voting
screen was activated.  Then I was told that the vote was registered in
the machine and that the card would be reactivated later for another
voter.  VERY SUSPICIOUS TO ME, I still am uneasy as to whether my vote
counted.
So much for the "new updated foolproof electronic system" in Florida. 
With Florida going Republican at the last minute, I am suspicious of all
kinds of things.  I went to bed Tuesday night knowing that Kerry had PA,
was neck in neck in Ohio and pretty sure that the morning would be a
great day.  Woke up to a map full of RED.  I felt like we had been
attacked by the "reds" overnight.  I would not be surprised if History
reveals that Bush's minions were working overtime all night long to
negate or destroy many Democratic votes.

What was needed at the polls, was someone counting how many people really
voted, not which way or anything else, but HOW MANY WALKED IN AND WALKED
OUT HAVING SUCCESSFULLY VOTED.  There would be the only way to expose any
voter fraud.

Also, I am so curious as to why most polling places in Florida are in
Churches?  AND lines are formed out in the sun where there was a
beautiful covered and shaded atrium/courtyard inside the building. 
People have no common sense.

Corinne

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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Thu Nov  4 12:45:54 2004
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Thu Nov  4 12:46:08 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Message-ID: <BAY20-F14XItMcx4vvs00008bcd@hotmail.com>

Hi Corinne,
I just returned from a swing-state trip to Nevada to GOTV. The feeling there 
was positive and very hopeful. My group walked a precinct and I must have 
knocked on over 100 doors - all Demos - who were excited and above all 
VOTING. But one of our team had an unsettling report: one of his voters had 
been visited by a Republican walker who informed him he NEED NOT VOTE, Bush 
had already won Nevada! This was in the early afternoon. The man was 
incredulous, ran to his polling place and voted and immediately contacted 
the local DNC and reported it. First I heard of this tactic, but that is 
what we're up against. Also, the van I drove from LA with 5 volunteers was 
vandalized - I was with another team at the time. Someone apparently threw a 
brick in the back window from an overpass...scary. No one was injured but 
the van was out of commission and the volunteers shaken up. We have a long 
difficult fight ahead but will not give up. It's our country too!

Love, Cara

From: Corinne Broskette <venuetheatre@juno.com>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
CC: stuyahm@socal.rr.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2004 09:27:17 -0500

As a member of Move On, I was assigned to hand out info at my local
polling place.  It was relatively quiet, but here are a few of the things
that I noticed:
A man in this district who had a precinct number that was not only not in
this area but on the other side of the county in another town!  Was he
allowed to vote?  I don't know, he did not check back in with me.
People in the same household, one had been assigned to another district;
One woman who had applied for an absentee ballot which she did not
receive (her husband did get his and they applied at the same time).  She
had to demand a provisional ballot, which they did not want to give her,
as her right as a citizen to vote!  She did check back in with me and we
were so proud of her.
People whose voting place had been changed, they were in their 70's and
had always voted at this polling place, luckily there new spot was only a
few blocks away;
Most of the people who did speak to us were definitely pro Kerry, there
was a very upbeat and hopeful feeling; and
My PERSONAL experience, a voting card which would not go into the
machine!  (Electronic here in FL)  After many tries by both myself and
the person who was trained to trouble shoot the machines, I asked for
another card.  They REFUSED and insisted on "reactivating" the card.
After reactivation, it still took several tries before the actual voting
screen was activated.  Then I was told that the vote was registered in
the machine and that the card would be reactivated later for another
voter.  VERY SUSPICIOUS TO ME, I still am uneasy as to whether my vote
counted.
So much for the "new updated foolproof electronic system" in Florida.
With Florida going Republican at the last minute, I am suspicious of all
kinds of things.  I went to bed Tuesday night knowing that Kerry had PA,
was neck in neck in Ohio and pretty sure that the morning would be a
great day.  Woke up to a map full of RED.  I felt like we had been
attacked by the "reds" overnight.  I would not be surprised if History
reveals that Bush's minions were working overtime all night long to
negate or destroy many Democratic votes.

What was needed at the polls, was someone counting how many people really
voted, not which way or anything else, but HOW MANY WALKED IN AND WALKED
OUT HAVING SUCCESSFULLY VOTED.  There would be the only way to expose any
voter fraud.

Also, I am so curious as to why most polling places in Florida are in
Churches?  AND lines are formed out in the sun where there was a
beautiful covered and shaded atrium/courtyard inside the building.
People have no common sense.

Corinne

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From venuetheatre at juno.com  Thu Nov  4 12:28:48 2004
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (Corinne Broskette)
Date: Thu Nov  4 13:20:06 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fw: THE OLD MAN's ARMY
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From: NewChaz64 at aol.com (NewChaz64@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov  4 13:20:38 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] A New Age of Aquarius
Message-ID: <12d.4ea15d41.2ebbe98a@aol.com>

Michael Butler flew to St. Louis in August 2001 to see New Line Theatre's 
production of HAIR, and he told me that he saw a new 60s youth movement rising 
up, that it would transform America, that the HAIR tribes would be at the 
forefront. I think we just saw the beginning of that, this summer. Even though Bush 
won, we have to remember that more people voted against him than in any other 
election in US history, and that fully 80% of our total population did NOT 
vote for him -- and 80% also did not vote for Kerry. 

Yes, there were setbacks in the election results, but the same was true of 
the Civil Rights movement in the 60s (during which members of Congress often 
denounced "activist judges" who were forcing the schools to desegregate -- sound 
familiar?). When you look at how politics changed this cycle, when you see the 
record turnout, there's only one conclusion that can be drawn. We are at the 
beginning of something big. Howard Dean and a lot of other people see it 
coming, just like Michael Butler does.

We can't get discouraged. We have to get more and more engaged until America 
is all it should be. We needed to get people riled up, and four more years of 
Bush is gonna do just that. I think Michael Butler is right -- a new American 
activism has been born, and so were a bunch of new American activists. That's 
pretty exciting...

Scott
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From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Thu Nov  4 13:33:28 2004
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov  4 13:33:47 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] A New Age of Aquarius
Message-ID: <7A42C1F2.1D8B69F4.0BE84C0A@aol.com>

Thanks for the inspiring message

-- 
- Amy

"Life is around you and in you... Let the Sunshine In!"
- from HAIR (the musical)

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" ?- e.e. cummings

From venuetheatre at juno.com  Thu Nov  4 13:38:35 2004
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (Corinne Broskette)
Date: Thu Nov  4 13:40:48 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 5, Issue 5
Message-ID: <20041104.163835.796.5.venuetheatre@juno.com>

> thought this might cheer you all up a bit....
> Corinne
>  
>
>
>  
> If I could, I'd enlist today and help my country track down those  
> responsible for killing  thousandsof innocent people in New York City  
> and Washington DC.
>
>
>
> But, I'm over 50 now and the Armed Forces say I'm too old to track  
> down terrorists.
> You can't be older than 35 to join the military.
>
<image.tiff>
>
> They've got the whole thing backwards. Instead of sending 18-year-olds 

> off to fight, they ought to take us old guys.
> You shouldn't be able to join until you're at least 35.
>
<image.tiff>
>
> For starters:
<image.tiff>
> Researchers say 18-year- olds think about sex every 10 seconds.
>
> Old guys only think about sex a couple of times a day, leaving us more 

> than 28,000 additional seconds per day to concentrate on the enemy.
<image.tiff>
> Young guys haven't lived long enough to be cranky, and a cranky  
> soldier is a dangerous soldier. If we can't kill the enemy we'll  
> complain them into submission.
> "My back hurts!" "I'm hungry!"
> "Where's the remote control?"
<image.tiff>
> An 18-year-old hasn't had a legal beer yet and you shouldn't go to war 

> until you're at least old enough to legally drink. An average old guy, 

> on the other hand, has consumed 126,000 gallons of beer by the time  
> he's 35 and a jaunt through the desert heat with a backpack and M-60
> would do wonders for the old beer belly.
<image.tiff>
> An 18-year-old doesn't like to get up before 10 a.m.
>
<image.tiff>
>
> Old guys get up early every morning to pee.
<image.tiff>
> If old guys are captured we couldn't spill the beans because we'd  
> probably forget where we put them. In fact, name, rank, and serial  
> number would be a real brainteaser.
>
> Boot camp would actually be easier for old guys.
> We're used to getting screamed and yelled at
>
<image.tiff>
>
> and we actually like soft food.
> We've also developed a deep appreciation for guns and rifles.
>
<image.tiff><image.tiff>
>
> We like them almost better than naps.
<image.tiff>
> They could lighten up on the obstacle course however. I've been in  
> combat and I didn't see a single 20-foot wall with rope hanging over  
> the side, nor did I ever do any pushups after completing basic  
> training.
> I can hear the Drill Sergeant now, "Get down and give me...er...one."
>
> And the running part is kind of a waste of energy.
> I've never seen anyone outrun a bullet.
<image.tiff>
> An 18-year-old has the whole world ahead of him.
> He's still learning to shave, to actually carry on a conversation, and 

> to wear pants without the top of his butt crack showing and his boxer  
> shorts sticking out.
> He's still hasn't figured out that a pierced tongue catches food  
> particles, and that a 400-watt speaker in the back seat of a Honda  
> Accord can rupture an eardrum.
> All great reasons to keep our sons at home to learn a little more  
> about life before sending them off to possible death.
<image.tiff>
> Let us old guys track down those
> dirty rotten cowards who attacked our hearts on September 11. The last 

> thing the enemy would want to see right now is a couple of million old 

> farts with attitudes.
<image.tiff>
> Share this with your senior friends
> (It's purposely in big type for us old guys)

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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Thu Nov  4 14:23:02 2004
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Thu Nov  4 14:23:12 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fw: THE OLD MAN's ARMY
In-Reply-To: <20041104.152850.796.3.venuetheatre@juno.com>
References: <20041104.152850.796.3.venuetheatre@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1099606982.418aabc6265c3@208.179.130.20>

Corinne - funny you should bring this up...a few months ago I saw one of those
news shows, and I think they were talking to an old vet, possibly from Korea.
He himself said don't send our young guys to war -- they're too young, they
haven't experienced life yet...

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From barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net  Thu Nov  4 14:28:11 2004
From: barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Thu Nov  4 14:28:22 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
In-Reply-To: "Cara Robin" <cararobindesign@hotmail.com>'s message of Thu,
	04 Nov 2004 12:45:54 -0800
Message-ID: <7763-418AACFB-1103@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net>

I am so proud of you Cara..stay strong.

peace,
barbara
>From: Cara Robin"
><cararobindesign@hotmail.com> 
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida 
>Date: Thu, Nov 4, 2004
 
Hi Corinne, 
I just returned from a swing-state trip to Nevada to GOTV. The feeling
there was positive and very hopeful. My group walked a precinct and I
must have knocked on over 100 doors - all Demos - who were excited and
above all VOTING. But one of our team had an unsettling report: one of
his voters had been visited by a Republican walker who informed him he
NEED NOT VOTE, Bush had already won Nevada! This was in the early
afternoon. The man was incredulous, ran to his polling place and voted
and immediately contacted the local DNC and reported it. First I heard
of this tactic, but that is what we're up against. Also, the van I drove
from LA with 5 volunteers was vandalized - I was with another team at
the time. Someone apparently threw a brick in the back window from an
overpass...scary. No one was injured but the van was out of commission
and the volunteers shaken up. We have a long difficult fight ahead but
will not give up. It's our country too!
 
Love, Cara

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Nov  4 18:44:03 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Nov  4 16:41:43 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
In-Reply-To: <7763-418AACFB-1103@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BDB028F3.1AEED%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Cara,
Same here.
The work has just begun.
XO Michael

> I am so proud of you Cara..stay strong.
> 
> peace,
> barbara
>> From: Cara Robin"
>> <cararobindesign@hotmail.com>
>> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
>> Date: Thu, Nov 4, 2004
> 
> Hi Corinne, 
> I just returned from a swing-state trip to Nevada to GOTV. The feeling
> there was positive and very hopeful. My group walked a precinct and I
> must have knocked on over 100 doors - all Demos - who were excited and
> above all VOTING. But one of our team had an unsettling report: one of
> his voters had been visited by a Republican walker who informed him he
> NEED NOT VOTE, Bush had already won Nevada! This was in the early
> afternoon. The man was incredulous, ran to his polling place and voted
> and immediately contacted the local DNC and reported it. First I heard
> of this tactic, but that is what we're up against. Also, the van I drove
> from LA with 5 volunteers was vandalized - I was with another team at
> the time. Someone apparently threw a brick in the back window from an
> overpass...scary. No one was injured but the van was out of commission
> and the volunteers shaken up. We have a long difficult fight ahead but
> will not give up. It's our country too!
> 
> Love, Cara
> 
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From barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net  Thu Nov  4 20:52:49 2004
From: barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Thu Nov  4 20:52:57 2004
Subject: [Mb-civic] [Mb-hair] A New Age of Aquarius
In-Reply-To: NewChaz64@aol.com's message of Thu, 4 Nov 2004 15:22:34 EST
Message-ID: <7764-418B0721-929@storefull-3213.bay.webtv.net>

"Right On"  Scott....<big smile>

peace,
barbara
>To: michael@michaelbutler.com 
>From: NewChaz64@aol.com 
>Date: ?Thu, Nov 4, 2004, 3:22pm 
>To: mb-hair@islandemail.com
>Subject: [Mb-civic] [Mb-hair] A New Age of
>Aquarius ?? 

Michael Butler flew to St. Louis in August 2001 to see New Line
Theatre's production of HAIR, and he told me that he saw a new 60s youth
movement rising up, that it would transform America, that the HAIR
tribes would be at the forefront. I think we just saw the beginning of
that, this summer. Even though Bush won, we have to remember that more
people voted against him than in any other election in US history, and
that fully 80% of our total population did NOT vote for him -- and 80%
also did not vote for Kerry.  
?
Yes, there were setbacks in the election results, but the same was true
of the Civil Rights movement in the 60s (during which members of
Congress often denounced "activist judges" who were forcing the schools
to desegregate -- sound familiar?). When you look at how politics
changed this cycle, when you see the record turnout, there's only one
conclusion that can be drawn. We are at the beginning of something big.
Howard Dean and a lot of other people see it coming, just like Michael
Butler does.
?
We can't get discouraged. We have to get more and more engaged until
America is all it should be. We needed to get people riled up, and four
more years of Bush is gonna do just that. I think Michael Butler is
right -- a new American activism has been born, and so were a bunch of
new American activists. That's pretty exciting...
?
Scott

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Nov  5 09:45:14 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Nov  5 07:54:53 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Speaking Sunday
Message-ID: <BDB0FC2A.1AF1B%michael@michaelbutler.com>

I am speaking at a conference this Sunday 7 November at 1:30PM.
If any are interested the subject is producing.
Global Entertainment & Media Summit
At Spirit New York, 530 W. 27th Street (between 10 & 11 Avenues)
Contacts: Jonathan Moorehead or Bob Kranzlin
Exec. Producer Steve Zuckerman

Advise that you are my guest.
Michael

From SharmagneS at aol.com  Fri Nov  5 08:44:48 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov  5 08:44:59 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Message-ID: <d9.18c81e04.2ebd0800@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/4/04 08:29:20 AM, venuetheatre@juno.com writes:


> One woman who had applied for an absentee ballot which she did not receive 
> (her husband did get his and they applied at the same time).? She had to 
> demand a provisional ballot, which they did not want to give her, as her right as 
> a citizen to vote!? She did check back in with me and we were so proud of 
> her.
> 

Teh valet parking guy a the Grove said he didn't vote because he also ahd 
requested an absentee ballot an dnever got one.     Are the absentee ballots ever 
counted?   It is my experience that many democrats voted by absentee ballot 
in order to leave a "paper trail"   that was one reason I did.. Was my vote 
counted?
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From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Fri Nov  5 08:53:08 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Columnist: O.K.,
	Folks: Back to Work 
Message-ID: <20041105165304.96FE384CF@web39t.prvt.nytimes.com>

The article below from NYTimes.com 
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From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Fri Nov  5 08:57:56 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Columnist: No Surrender 
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November 5, 2004
 By PAUL KRUGMAN 



 

President Bush isn't a conservative. He's a radical - the
leader of a coalition that deeply dislikes America as it
is. Part of that coalition wants to tear down the legacy of
Franklin Roosevelt, eviscerating Social Security and,
eventually, Medicare. Another part wants to break down the
barriers between church and state. And thanks to a heavy
turnout by evangelical Christians, Mr. Bush has four more
years to advance that radical agenda. 

Democrats are now, understandably, engaged in
self-examination. But while it's O.K. to think things over,
those who abhor the direction Mr. Bush is taking the
country must maintain their intensity; they must not
succumb to defeatism. 

This election did not prove the Republicans unbeatable. Mr.
Bush did not win in a landslide. Without the fading but
still potent aura of 9/11, when the nation was ready to
rally around any leader, he wouldn't have won at all. And
future events will almost surely offer opportunities for a
Democratic comeback. 

I don't hope for more and worse scandals and failures
during Mr. Bush's second term, but I do expect them. The
resurgence of Al Qaeda, the debacle in Iraq, the explosion
of the budget deficit and the failure to create jobs
weren't things that just happened to occur on Mr. Bush's
watch. They were the consequences of bad policies made by
people who let ideology trump reality. 

Those people still have Mr. Bush's ear, and his election
victory will only give them the confidence to make even
bigger mistakes. 

So what should the Democrats do? 

One faction of the party is already calling for the
Democrats to blur the differences between themselves and
the Republicans. Or at least that's what I think Al From of
the Democratic Leadership Council means when he says,
"We've got to close the cultural gap." But that's a losing
proposition. 

Yes, Democrats need to make it clear that they support
personal virtue, that they value fidelity, responsibility,
honesty and faith. This shouldn't be a hard case to make:
Democrats are as likely as Republicans to be faithful
spouses and good parents, and Republicans are as likely as
Democrats to be adulterers, gamblers or drug abusers.
Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country;
blue states, on average, have lower rates of out-of-wedlock
births than red states. 

But Democrats are not going to get the support of people
whose votes are motivated, above all, by their opposition
to abortion and gay rights (and, in the background,
opposition to minority rights). All they will do if they
try to cater to intolerance is alienate their own base. 

Does this mean that the Democrats are condemned to
permanent minority status? No. The religious right - not to
be confused with religious Americans in general - isn't a
majority, or even a dominant minority. It's just one bloc
of voters, whom the Republican Party has learned to
mobilize with wedge issues like this year's polarizing
debate over gay marriage. 

Rather than catering to voters who will never support them,
the Democrats - who are doing pretty well at getting the
votes of moderates and independents - need to become
equally effective at mobilizing their own base. 

In fact, they have made good strides, showing much more
unity and intensity than anyone thought possible a year
ago. But for the lingering aura of 9/11, they would have
won. 

What they need to do now is develop a political program
aimed at maintaining and increasing the intensity. That
means setting some realistic but critical goals for the
next year. 

Democrats shouldn't cave in to Mr. Bush when he tries to
appoint highly partisan judges - even when the effort to
block a bad appointment fails, it will show supporters that
the party stands for something. They should gear up for a
bid to retake the Senate or at least make a major dent in
the Republican lead. They should keep the pressure on Mr.
Bush when he makes terrible policy decisions, which he
will. 

It's all right to take a few weeks to think it over. (Heads
up to readers: I'll be starting a long-planned break next
week, to work on a economics textbook. I'll be back in
January.) But Democrats mustn't give up the fight. What's
at stake isn't just the fate of their party, but the fate
of America as we know it. 

E-mail: krugman@nytimes.com 

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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  5 10:00:16 2004
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Fri Nov  5 10:00:23 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Speaking Sunday
In-Reply-To: <BDB0FC2A.1AF1B%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20041105180016.34094.qmail@web53401.mail.yahoo.com>

Wish I could be there. Best wishes.
 
Peace and blessings ~ Jonathon

Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com> wrote:
I am speaking at a conference this Sunday 7 November at 1:30PM.
If any are interested the subject is producing.
Global Entertainment & Media Summit
At Spirit New York, 530 W. 27th Street (between 10 & 11 Avenues)
Contacts: Jonathan Moorehead or Bob Kranzlin
Exec. Producer Steve Zuckerman

Advise that you are my guest.
Michael

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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  5 10:00:02 2004
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Fri Nov  5 10:01:07 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Message-ID: <BAY20-F119KfYDovvQ000017630@hotmail.com>

That's a good question and I've heard it's up to each State to decide when 
and if to count them.
Doesn't seem right - I remember Election Night when Iowa announced it waits 
11 days to count their provisionals - not sure about the absentees.

Very discouraging as I've been voting absentee for two elections and am on 
permanent absentee status, as is my mother and daughter. To think our votes 
might have not counted!  Especially on close local races and propositions...
The way Ohio did it was to count the NUMBER of provisional and absentee 
ballots that came in...
since there were not enough to make a difference in John Kerry's numbers he 
then conceded.
But again the question...are they counted at all?

I'll contact the election board here and see what they say.
xo C

From: SharmagneS@aol.com
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 11:44:48 EST


In a message dated 11/4/04 08:29:20 AM, venuetheatre@juno.com writes:


 > One woman who had applied for an absentee ballot which she did not 
receive
 > (her husband did get his and they applied at the same time).  She had to
 > demand a provisional ballot, which they did not want to give her, as her 
right as
 > a citizen to vote!  She did check back in with me and we were so proud of
 > her.
 >

Teh valet parking guy a the Grove said he didn't vote because he also ahd
requested an absentee ballot an dnever got one.     Are the absentee ballots 
ever
counted?   It is my experience that many democrats voted by absentee ballot
in order to leave a "paper trail"   that was one reason I did.. Was my vote
counted?
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Nov  5 13:35:02 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Nov  5 11:32:51 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] A New Age of Aquarius
In-Reply-To: <12d.4ea15d41.2ebbe98a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BDB13206.1AF71%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Scott,
I still feel that way. Maybe mores so as Bush & Co. ride roughshod over the
country it may go so far as to finally wake many up. If he really becomes a
"compassionate conservative" that will be good. So we have nothing to lose
unless we abdicate our beliefs.
Peace and Love
Michael
-- "A time comes when silence is betrayal.  Even when pressed by the demands
of inner truth, men do not easily assume the task of opposing their
government's policy, especially in time of war. Nor does the human spirit
move without great difficulty against all the apathy of conformist thought,
within one's own bosom and in the surrounding world." -- Dr. Martin Luther
King Jr. 



> Michael Butler flew to St. Louis in August 2001 to see New Line Theatre's
> production of HAIR, and he told me that he saw a new 60s youth movement rising
> up, that it would transform America, that the HAIR tribes would be at the
> forefront. I think we just saw the beginning of that, this summer. Even though
> Bush 
> won, we have to remember that more people voted against him than in any other
> election in US history, and that fully 80% of our total population did NOT
> vote for him -- and 80% also did not vote for Kerry.
> 
> Yes, there were setbacks in the election results, but the same was true of
> the Civil Rights movement in the 60s (during which members of Congress often
> denounced "activist judges" who were forcing the schools to desegregate --
> sound 
> familiar?). When you look at how politics changed this cycle, when you see the
> record turnout, there's only one conclusion that can be drawn. We are at the
> beginning of something big. Howard Dean and a lot of other people see it
> coming, just like Michael Butler does.
> 
> We can't get discouraged. We have to get more and more engaged until America
> is all it should be. We needed to get people riled up, and four more years of
> Bush is gonna do just that. I think Michael Butler is right -- a new American
> activism has been born, and so were a bunch of new American activists. That's
> pretty exciting...
> 
> Scott
> 
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From michael at intrafi.com  Fri Nov  5 11:45:39 2004
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Fri Nov  5 11:46:01 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Contributor: Why We Lost 
Message-ID: <20041105194539.184D235040@web38t.prvt.nytimes.com>

The article below from NYTimes.com 
has been sent to you by michael@intrafi.com.



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Op-Ed Contributor: Why We Lost

November 5, 2004
 By ANDREI CHERNY 



 

Washington 

On Wednesday morning, Democrats across the country awoke to
a situation they have not experienced since before the New
Deal: We are now, without a doubt, America's minority
party. We do not have the presidency. We are outnumbered in
the Senate, the House, governorships and legislatures. And
the conservative majority on the Supreme Court seems likely
to be locked in place for a generation. It is clearly a
moment that calls for serious reflection. 

I had the honor of working for both Al Gore and John Kerry.
I believe America would have been fortunate to have had
them in the Oval Office. That neither won is not primarily
a commentary on them. Nor were their defeats really the
result of the mistakes, attacks and tactics that pundits
are so endlessly fascinated by: Al Gore's sighs in debates
or John Kerry's slow response to the Swift boat veterans;
Bill Clinton's campaigning (or lack thereof) in 2000 and
2004; the handling of the Elián González and Mary Cheney
controversies. Any time Democrats spend in the coming weeks
discussing the merits of our past candidates' personalities
or their campaigns' personnel will be time wasted. 

The overarching problem Democrats have today is the lack of
a clear sense of what the party stands for. For years this
has been a source of annoyance for bloggers and grass-roots
activists. And in my time working for Al Gore and John
Kerry, it certainly left me feeling hamstrung. 

Democrats have a collection of policy positions that are
sensible and right. John Kerry made this very clear. What
we don't have, and what we sorely need, is what President
George H. W. Bush so famously derided as "the vision thing"
- a worldview that makes a thematic argument about where
America is headed and where we want to take it. 

For most of the 20th century, Democrats had a bold vision:
we would use government programs to make Americans' lives
more stable and secure. In 1996, President Clinton told us
this age had passed, that "the era of big government is
over." He was right - the world had changed. But the party
has not answered the basic question: What comes next? 

It's not the sort of question that gets answered in the
heat of a national election. A presidential campaign feels
like running full speed across a tightrope. If you're
working on its message, you spend your days sitting around
conference tables in poorly lighted rooms, surrounded by
spent pizza boxes and buzzing Blackberries, with the clock
ticking down on another day and another speech. This is not
the place to devise a new thematic direction for the party.
What you wind up offering are quips and quibbles, slogans
and sound bites, and heaping portions of poll-tested
pabulum. 

The press also seems to overstate what staff changes can do
within a campaign. Much was made of the "who's in, who's
out" reports about the Kerry team, with reporters devising
narratives about a supposed "shift to the middle" or a
"lurch to the left." While new advisers can alter tactics
and form new messages, efforts on their part to create a
larger vision will fail. That has to happen long before the
primaries - and it requires that the party knows where it
is going. 

Throughout the campaign, voters told reporters and
pollsters that they wanted a change, but didn't "know what
John Kerry stands for." Our response was to churn out more
speeches outlining the details of policies that Senator
Kerry would then deliver in front of a backdrop that said
something like "Rx to Stronger Health Care." Of course, it
turned out that Americans weren't very interested in Mr.
Kerry's campaign promises - perhaps because they no longer
believe politicians will follow through on their
commitments. They wanted to know instead how he saw the
world. And we never told them. 

Misguided as they may be, the Republicans have a clear
vision of America's future. Confronted with their ambitious
agenda we have not chosen to match it. Instead, we have
adopted Nancy Reagan's old antidrug motto, "Just Say No."
As in "Stop George Bush's Assault on the Environment,"
"Repeal George Bush's Tax Cuts for the Wealthy" and "End
George Bush's Policy of Unilateralism." These are good
stands. But they are not enough. And the Republicans ended
up defining John Kerry because we did not. 

I don't pretend to know exactly what the party should do
now. But I do know that we better start answering some
important questions. What is our economic vision in a
globalized world? How do we respond to the desire of many
Americans to have choices and decision-making power of
their own? How can we speak to Americans' moral and
spiritual yearnings? How can our national security vision
be broader than just a critique of the Republican's foreign
policy? If we sweep this debate under the rug, four years
from now another set of people around another conference
table will be struggling with the same issues we did. And
America cannot afford the same result. 

Long after midnight in November 2000, I stood in the rain
in Nashville and listened to the Gore campaign chairman,
William Daley, tell us there would be no victory speech. On
Wednesday, long after midnight, I stood in the rain in
Boston listening to John Edwards tell us the same thing.
I'm sick of standing in the rain. 

Andrei Cherny, the author of "The Next Deal," was director
of speechwriting and a special policy adviser to John Kerry
from February 2003 to last April. 

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From michael at intrafi.com  Fri Nov  5 11:47:07 2004
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Fri Nov  5 11:47:13 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Op-Ed Contributor: Why They Won 
Message-ID: <20041105194707.7D91E35051@web38t.prvt.nytimes.com>

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Op-Ed Contributor: Why They Won

November 5, 2004
 By THOMAS FRANK 



 

Washington 

The first thing Democrats must try to grasp as they cast
their eyes over the smoking ruins of the election is the
continuing power of the culture wars. Thirty-six years ago,
President Richard Nixon championed a noble "silent
majority" while his vice president, Spiro Agnew, accused
liberals of twisting the news. In nearly every election
since, liberalism has been vilified as a flag-burning,
treason-coddling, upper-class affectation. This year voters
claimed to rank "values" as a more important issue than the
economy and even the war in Iraq. 

And yet, Democrats still have no coherent framework for
confronting this chronic complaint, much less understanding
it. Instead, they "triangulate," they accommodate, they
declare themselves converts to the Republican religion of
the market, they sign off on Nafta and welfare reform, they
try to be more hawkish than the Republican militarists. And
they lose. And they lose again. Meanwhile, out in Red
America, the right-wing populist revolt continues apace,
its fury at the "liberal elite" undiminished by the
Democrats' conciliatory gestures or the passage of time. 

Like many such movements, this long-running conservative
revolt is rife with contradictions. It is an uprising of
the common people whose long-term economic effect has been
to shower riches upon the already wealthy and degrade the
lives of the very people who are rising up. It is a
reaction against mass culture that refuses to call into
question the basic institutions of corporate America that
make mass culture what it is. It is a revolution that plans
to overthrow the aristocrats by cutting their taxes. 

Still, the power of the conservative rebellion is
undeniable. It presents a way of talking about life in
which we are all victims of a haughty overclass -
"liberals" - that makes our movies, publishes our
newspapers, teaches our children, and hands down judgments
from the bench. These liberals generally tell us how to go
about our lives, without any consideration for our values
or traditions. 

The culture wars, in other words, are a way of framing the
ever-powerful subject of social class. They are a way for
Republicans to speak on behalf of the forgotten man without
causing any problems for their core big-business
constituency. 

Against this militant, aggrieved, full-throated philosophy
the Democrats chose to go with ... what? Their usual soft
centrism, creating space for this constituency and that,
taking care to antagonize no one, declining even to
criticize the president, really, at their convention. And
despite huge get-out-the-vote efforts and an enormous
treasury, Democrats lost the battle of voter motivation
before it started. 

Worse: While conservatives were sharpening their sense of
class victimization, Democrats had all but abandoned the
field. For some time, the centrist Democratic establishment
in Washington has been enamored of the notion that, since
the industrial age is ending, the party must forget about
blue-collar workers and their issues and embrace the
"professional" class. During the 2004 campaign these new,
business-friendly Democrats received high-profile
assistance from idealistic tycoons and openly embraced
trendy management theory. They imagined themselves the
"metro" party of cool billionaires engaged in some kind of
cosmic combat with the square billionaires of the "retro"
Republican Party. 

Yet this would have been a perfect year to give the
Republicans a Trumanesque spanking for the many corporate
scandals that they have countenanced and, in some ways,
enabled. Taking such a stand would also have provided
Democrats with a way to address and maybe even defeat the
angry populism that informs the "values" issues while
simultaneously mobilizing their base. 

To short-circuit the Republican appeals to blue-collar
constituents, Democrats must confront the cultural populism
of the wedge issues with genuine economic populism. They
must dust off their own majoritarian militancy instead of
suppressing it; sharpen the distinctions between the
parties instead of minimizing them; emphasize the
contradictions of culture-war populism instead of ignoring
them; and speak forthrightly about who gains and who loses
from conservative economic policy. 

What is more likely, of course, is that Democratic
officialdom will simply see this week's disaster as a
reason to redouble their efforts to move to the right. They
will give in on, say, Social Security privatization or
income tax "reform" and will continue to dream their happy
dreams about becoming the party of the enlightened
corporate class. And they will be surprised all over again
two or four years from now when the conservative populists
of the Red America, poorer and angrier than ever, deal the
"party of the people" yet another stunning blow. 

Thomas Frank is the author, most recently, of "What's the
Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of
America." 

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From ace at aceross.com  Sat Nov  6 07:53:35 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sat Nov  6 07:53:40 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
Message-ID: <20041106155336.10F361645A8@gw05-bur.mroute.net>

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From VinUschi at t-online.de  Sat Nov  6 03:29:12 2004
From: VinUschi at t-online.de (Vincent Edwards)
Date: Sat Nov  6 10:23:19 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] hi tribe
Message-ID: <418CB587.3029B640@t-online.de>

hi tribe  time to come to old europe and live it up where life goes on
without bush and his bandits lets all buy a big house on the island of
rhodes and go back to where it all started and love and peace still can
be found with good wine and smiles  greece love you all vincent  let the
sun shine in

From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  6 10:39:47 2004
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Sat Nov  6 10:40:07 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Beverly Bremers
Message-ID: <BAY20-F2cuPwjnnh99R00016228@hotmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

This for those of you living in Southern California:

Last nite I went to see "Menopause the Musical" with Bev at the Coronet 
Theatre, and she was fantastic!  Her voice as wonderful as ever and her 
personality shone onstage. The show is a trip - a parody of all the 60's 
songs we know and love (and know the words to!!) dealing with the...change
...there, I said it!  The three other actors were also terrific and the 
audience was hysterical with laughter.  I took Miranda, my 23 year old and 
she totally enjoyed it.
Guys, you'll love it too, ask Sherwin, who joined Sharmagne and me to cheer 
Bev on.

She's only in the show until January 14?? Is that correct Bev? Don't miss 
one of our own in a showcase performance and an evening of fun.

xo Cara


From bev at beverlybremers.com  Sat Nov  6 10:58:26 2004
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Sat Nov  6 10:58:32 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Beverly Bremers
Message-ID: <20041106185826.BD3522F8B2@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Thanks you Cara, for the glowing review! I'm in the show till January 9th.

Also, thanks again, to you, your wonderful Miranda, Sharmagne, Sherwin and their friends for coming to the show to support me. (I'm sure you were curious too!) You guys are dolls!

Love, Bev


----- Original Message -----
From: "Cara Robin" <cararobindesign@hotmail.com>
To: mb-hair@islandemail.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Beverly Bremers
Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2004 10:39:47 -0800

> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> This for those of you living in Southern California:
> 
> Last nite I went to see "Menopause the Musical" with Bev at the Coronet 
> Theatre, and she was fantastic!  Her voice as wonderful as ever and her 
> personality shone onstage. The show is a trip - a parody of all the 60's 
> songs we know and love (and know the words to!!) dealing with the...change
> ...there, I said it!  The three other actors were also terrific and the 
> audience was hysterical with laughter.  I took Miranda, my 23 year old and 
> she totally enjoyed it.
> Guys, you'll love it too, ask Sherwin, who joined Sharmagne and me to cheer 
> Bev on.
> 
> She's only in the show until January 14?? Is that correct Bev? Don't miss 
> one of our own in a showcase performance and an evening of fun.
> 
> xo Cara
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 



Visit my websites:
www.beverlybremers.com
www.voicercise.net

From bev at beverlybremers.com  Sat Nov  6 11:01:49 2004
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Sat Nov  6 11:01:55 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
Message-ID: <20041106190149.925182F8B2@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>

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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Nov  6 11:13:38 2004
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sat Nov  6 11:13:49 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] hi tribe
References: <418CB587.3029B640@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <000e01c4c434$b8b8d180$d0022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>

Hey Vincent 

Sounds like a good plan to me :)

Love forever
Robin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vincent Edwards" <VinUschi@t-online.de>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>; <mb-hair@islandemail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 6:29 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] hi tribe


> hi tribe  time to come to old europe and live it up where life goes on
> without bush and his bandits lets all buy a big house on the island of
> rhodes and go back to where it all started and love and peace still can
> be found with good wine and smiles  greece love you all vincent  let the
> sun shine in
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
From barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net  Sat Nov  6 14:52:23 2004
From: barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sat Nov  6 14:52:31 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Passed on from a friend
Message-ID: <23199-418D55A7-213@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net>

This was passed on to me by an e-mail pal..

peace,
barbara
~+~+~~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~

The Kerry campaign was not the problem. The fundamental problem is the
state of knowledge, consciousness, and belief of tens of millions of
Americans. Our task is to change that state of knowledge, consciousness,
and belief. 

True, that's not an easy task. But remember that once upon a time it was
abolitionists who were leading a movement to secede because they
believed the struggle against slavery could not be won within the United
States.
 
H. Bruce Franklin
http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~hbf

From swiggard at comcast.net  Sun Nov  7 05:50:12 2004
From: swiggard at comcast.net (swiggard@comcast.net)
Date: Sun Nov  7 06:30:28 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Red vs Blue and Blue vs Gray...
Message-ID: <301600-220041107135012598@M2W038.mail2web.com>

Striking historical resemblance, eh?
May the truth make us free someday...
Bill

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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 11:48:26 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  7 11:48:42 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] THIS IS THE REAL STORY IN OHIO --Bush won by spoilage
	ballots
Message-ID: <15b.436043b7.2ebfd60a@aol.com>

THE WISDOM FUND News & Views
MORE AT http://www.twf.org/

November 04, 2004
TomPaine.com

KERRY WON . . .
by Greg Palast

Bush won Ohio by 136,483 votes. Typically in the United States, about 3
percent of votes cast are voidedknown as "spoilage" in election
jargonbecause the ballots cast are inconclusive. Drawing on what happened in 
Florida and studies of elections past, Palast argues that if Ohio's discarded 
ballots were counted, Kerry would have won the state.

Today, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports there are a total of 247,672 votes 
not counted in Ohio, if you add the 92,672 discarded votes plus the 155,000 
provisional ballots.

So far there's no indication that Palast's hypothesis will be tested because 
only the provisional ballots are being counted.

Greg Palast, contributing editor to Harper's magazine, investigated the
manipulation of the vote for BBC Television's Newsnight. The documentary, 
"Bush Family Fortunes," based on his New York Times bestseller, The Best 
Democracy Money Can Buy, has been released this month on DVD .

Kerry won. Here's the facts.

I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad. But I 
don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called 
American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding 
states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.

Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. CNN's exit poll
showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. Kerry 
also defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent.Unless a 
third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.

So what's going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters
ask, "Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial,
question, "Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know.

Here's why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched 
cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded.This 
was predictable and it was predicted.

[See TomPaine.com, "An Election Spoiled Rotten," November 1.]

Once again, at the heart of the Ohio uncounted vote game are, I'm sorry to 
report, hanging chads and pregnant chads, plus some other ballot tricks old and 
new.

The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something 
called"spoilage." Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of the vote is 
voided, just thrown away, not recorded. When the bobble-head boobs on the tube tell 
you Ohio or any state was won by 51 percent to 49 percent, don'tyou believe 
it ... it has never happened in the United States, because the total never 
reaches a neat 100 percent. The television totals simply subtract out the spoiled 
vote.

Whose Votes Are Discarded?

And not all votes spoil equally. Most of those votes, say every official
report, come from African-American and minority precincts. (To learn
more, click here.)

We saw this in Florida in 2000. Exit polls showed Gore with a plurality of
at least 50,000, but it didn't match the official count. That's because the
official, Secretary of State Katherine Harris, excluded 179,855 spoiled
votes. In Florida, as in Ohio, most of these votes lost were cast on punch
cards where the hole wasn't punched through completelyleaving a 'hanging 
chad,'or was punched extra times. 

Whose cards were discarded? Expert statisticians investigating spoilage for 
the government calculated that 54 percent of the ballots thrown in the dumpster 
were cast by black folks.

(To read the report from the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, click here .)

And here's the key: Florida is terribly typical. The majority of ballots
thrown out (there will be nearly 2 million tossed out from Tuesday's
election) will have been cast by African American and other minority
citizens.

So here we go again. Or, here we don't go again. Because unlike last time, 
Democrats aren't even asking Ohio to count these cards with the
not-quite-punched holes (called "undervotes" in the voting biz). Nor are
they demanding we look at the "overvotes" where voter intent may be
discerned.

Ohio is one of the last states in America to still use the vote-spoiling
punch-card machines. And the Secretary of State of Ohio, J. Kenneth
Blackwell, wrote before the election, "the possibility of a close election
with punch cards as the state's primary voting device invites a
Florida-like calamity."

But this week, Blackwell, a rabidly partisan Republican, has warmed up to the 
result of sticking with machines that have a habit of eating Democratic 
votes. When asked if he feared being this year's Katherine Harris, Blackwell noted 
that Ms. Fix-it's efforts landed her a seat in Congress.

Exactly how many votes were lost to spoilage this time? Blackwell's office, 
notably, won't say, though the law requires it be reported. Hmm. But we know 
that last time, the total of Ohio votes discarded reached a
democracy-damaging 1.96 percent. The machines produced their typical
lossthat's 110,000 votesoverwhelmingly Democratic.

The Impact Of Challenges

First and foremost, Kerry was had by chads. But the Democrat wasn't punched 
out by punch cards alone. There were also the 'challenges.' That's a polite 
word for the Republican Party of Ohio's use of an old Ku Klux Klan technique: the 
attempt to block thousands of voters of color at the polls.

In Ohio, Wisconsin and Florida, the GOP laid plans for poll workers to
ambush citizens under arcane lawsalmost never usedallowing
party-designated poll watchers to finger individual voters and demand they be 
denied a ballot. The Ohio courts were horrified and federal law
prohibits targeting of voters where race is a factor in the challenge. But
our Supreme Court was prepared to let Republicans stand in the voting booth 
door.

In the end, the challenges were not overwhelming, but they were there. Many 
apparently resulted in voters getting these funky "provisional" ballotsa kind 
of voting placebowhich may or may not be counted.

Blackwell estimates there were 175,000; Democrats say 250,000. Pick your 
number. But as challenges were aimed at minorities, no one doubts these are, 
again, overwhelmingly Democratic. Count them up, add in the spoiled punch cards 
(easy to tally with the human eye in a recount), and the totals begin to match 
the exit polls; and, golly, you've got yourself a new president. 

Remember, Bush won by 136,483 votes in Ohio.

Enchanted State's Enchanted Vote

Now, on to New Mexico, where a Kerry pluralityif all votes are countedis
more obvious still. Before the election, in TomPaine.com, I wrote, "John
Kerry is down by several thousand votes in New Mexico, though not one
ballot has yet been counted."

How did that happen? It's the spoilage, stupid; and the provisional ballots.

CNN said George Bush took New Mexico by 11,620 votes. Again, the network
total added up to that miraculous, and non-existent, '100 percent' of
ballots cast.

New Mexico reported in the last race a spoilage rate of 2.68 percent, votes
lost almost entirely in Hispanic, Native American and poor
precinctsDemocratic turf. From Tuesday's vote, assuming the same
ballot-loss rate, we can expect to see 18,000 ballots in the spoilage bin.

Spoilage has a very Democratic look in New Mexico. Hispanic voters in the
Enchanted State, who voted more than two to one for Kerry, are five times
as likely to have their vote spoil as a white voter. Counting these
uncounted votes would easily overtake the Bush 'plurality.'

Already, the election-bending effects of spoilage are popping up in the
election stats, exactly where we'd expect them: in heavily Hispanic areas
controlled by Republican elections officials. Chaves County, in the "Little
Texas" area of New Mexico, has a 44 percent Hispanic population, plus
African Americans and Native Americans, yet George Bush "won" there 68
percent to 31 percent.

I spoke with Chaves' Republican county clerk before the election, and he
told me that this huge spoilage rate among Hispanics simply indicated that
such people simply can't make up their minds on the choice of candidate for
president. Oddly, these brown people drive across the desert to register
their indecision in a voting booth.

Now, let's add in the effect on the New Mexico tally of provisional ballots.

"They were handing them out like candy," Albuquerque journalist Renee Blake
reported of provisional ballots. About 20,000 were given out. Who got them?

Santiago Juarez who ran the "Faithful Citizenship" program for the Catholic
Archdiocese in New Mexico, told me that "his" voters, poor Hispanics, whom
he identified as solid Kerry supporters, were handed the iffy provisional
ballots. Hispanics were given provisional ballots, rather than the
countable kind "almost religiously," he said, at polling stations when
there was the least question about a voter's identification. Some voters,
Santiago said, were simply turned away.

Your Kerry Victory Party

So we can call Ohio and New Mexico for John Kerryif we count all the votes.

But that won't happen. Despite the Democratic Party's pledge, the
leadership this time gave in to racial disenfranchisement once again. Why?
No doubt, the Democrats know darn well that counting all the spoiled and
provisional ballots will require the cooperation of Ohio's Secretary of
State, Blackwell. He will ultimately decide which spoiled and provisional
ballots get tallied. Blackwell, hankering to step into Kate Harris'
political pumps, is unlikely to permit anything close to a full count.
Also, Democratic leadership knows darn well the media would punish the
party for demanding a full count.

What now? Kerry won, so hold your victory party. But make sure the shades
are down: it may be become illegal to demand a full vote count under
PATRIOT Act III.

I used to write a column for the Guardian papers in London. Several friends
have asked me if I will again leave the country. In light of the failurea
second timeto count all the votes, that won't be necessary. My country has
left me.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
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From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Sun Nov  7 16:15:14 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
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You're a sweetie Sherwin...but I'll love you more if you drop the "l"...!
xo CARA

From: "ace" <ace@aceross.com>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:53:35 -0800



Dear Beverly, Carla and Sharmagne,

Beverly , thank you so much for the gift of of watching you act, sing and
dance in "Menopause the Musical" last night.

You are truly an amazing talent and a showstopper! I will never look at
women the same way again:) This is an outstanding show!

What a great moment to meet Sharmagne and Carla....Thank you and thank you
and thank you!

Carla, your daughter is a kindred spirit thank you for introducing me to
her. This world needs educators like your daughter what a gift to the future
of the children she will be teaching.

How lucky am I?  Very:)

I love you and thank you,

Sherwin



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From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sun Nov  7 16:42:12 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
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xo CARA

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Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2004 07:53:35 -0800



Dear Beverly, Carla and Sharmagne,

Beverly , thank you so much for the gift of of watching you act, sing and
dance in "Menopause the Musical" last night.

You are truly an amazing talent and a showstopper! I will never look at
women the same way again:) This is an outstanding show!

What a great moment to meet Sharmagne and Carla....Thank you and thank you
and thank you!

Carla, your daughter is a kindred spirit thank you for introducing me to
her. This world needs educators like your daughter what a gift to the future
of the children she will be teaching.

How lucky am I?  Very:)

I love you and thank you,

Sherwin



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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Nov  7 15:25:47 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Nov  7 17:52:22 2004
Subject: [Mb-civic] [Mb-hair] THIS IS THE REAL STORY IN OHIO --Bush won
	byspoilage ballots
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which is why we need to do an anti bush piece
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:48 PM
  Subject: [Mb-civic] [Mb-hair] THIS IS THE REAL STORY IN OHIO --Bush won byspoilage ballots


  THE WISDOM FUND News & Views
  MORE AT http://www.twf.org/

  November 04, 2004
  TomPaine.com

  KERRY WON . . .
  by Greg Palast

  Bush won Ohio by 136,483 votes. Typically in the United States, about 3
  percent of votes cast are voidedknown as "spoilage" in election
  jargonbecause the ballots cast are inconclusive. Drawing on what happened in Florida and studies of elections past, Palast argues that if Ohio's discarded ballots were counted, Kerry would have won the state.

  Today, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports there are a total of 247,672 votes not counted in Ohio, if you add the 92,672 discarded votes plus the 155,000 provisional ballots.

  So far there's no indication that Palast's hypothesis will be tested because only the provisional ballots are being counted.

  Greg Palast, contributing editor to Harper's magazine, investigated the
  manipulation of the vote for BBC Television's Newsnight. The documentary, "Bush Family Fortunes," based on his New York Times bestseller, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, has been released this month on DVD .

  Kerry won. Here's the facts.

  I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad. But I don't have a choice. As a journalist examining that messy sausage called American democracy, it's my job to tell you who got the most votes in the deciding states. Tuesday, in Ohio and New Mexico, it was John Kerry.

  Most voters in Ohio thought they were voting for Kerry. CNN's exit poll
  showed Kerry beating Bush among Ohio women by 53 percent to 47 percent. Kerry also defeated Bush among Ohio's male voters 51 percent to 49 percent.Unless a third gender voted in Ohio, Kerry took the state.

  So what's going on here? Answer: the exit polls are accurate. Pollsters
  ask, "Who did you vote for?" Unfortunately, they don't ask the crucial,
  question, "Was your vote counted?" The voters don't know.

  Here's why. Although the exit polls show that most voters in Ohio punched cards for Kerry-Edwards, thousands of these votes were simply not recorded.This was predictable and it was predicted.

  [See TomPaine.com, "An Election Spoiled Rotten," November 1.]

  Once again, at the heart of the Ohio uncounted vote game are, I'm sorry to report, hanging chads and pregnant chads, plus some other ballot tricks old and new.

  The election in Ohio was not decided by the voters but by something called"spoilage." Typically in the United States, about 3 percent of the vote is voided, just thrown away, not recorded. When the bobble-head boobs on the tube tell you Ohio or any state was won by 51 percent to 49 percent, don'tyou believe it ... it has never happened in the United States, because the total never reaches a neat 100 percent. The television totals simply subtract out the spoiled vote.

  Whose Votes Are Discarded?

  And not all votes spoil equally. Most of those votes, say every official
  report, come from African-American and minority precincts. (To learn
  more, click here.)

  We saw this in Florida in 2000. Exit polls showed Gore with a plurality of
  at least 50,000, but it didn't match the official count. That's because the
  official, Secretary of State Katherine Harris, excluded 179,855 spoiled
  votes. In Florida, as in Ohio, most of these votes lost were cast on punch
  cards where the hole wasn't punched through completelyleaving a 'hanging chad,'or was punched extra times. 

  Whose cards were discarded? Expert statisticians investigating spoilage for the government calculated that 54 percent of the ballots thrown in the dumpster were cast by black folks.

  (To read the report from the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, click here .)

  And here's the key: Florida is terribly typical. The majority of ballots
  thrown out (there will be nearly 2 million tossed out from Tuesday's
  election) will have been cast by African American and other minority
  citizens.

  So here we go again. Or, here we don't go again. Because unlike last time, Democrats aren't even asking Ohio to count these cards with the
  not-quite-punched holes (called "undervotes" in the voting biz). Nor are
  they demanding we look at the "overvotes" where voter intent may be
  discerned.

  Ohio is one of the last states in America to still use the vote-spoiling
  punch-card machines. And the Secretary of State of Ohio, J. Kenneth
  Blackwell, wrote before the election, "the possibility of a close election
  with punch cards as the state's primary voting device invites a
  Florida-like calamity."

  But this week, Blackwell, a rabidly partisan Republican, has warmed up to the result of sticking with machines that have a habit of eating Democratic votes. When asked if he feared being this year's Katherine Harris, Blackwell noted that Ms. Fix-it's efforts landed her a seat in Congress.

  Exactly how many votes were lost to spoilage this time? Blackwell's office, notably, won't say, though the law requires it be reported. Hmm. But we know that last time, the total of Ohio votes discarded reached a
  democracy-damaging 1.96 percent. The machines produced their typical
  lossthat's 110,000 votesoverwhelmingly Democratic.

  The Impact Of Challenges

  First and foremost, Kerry was had by chads. But the Democrat wasn't punched out by punch cards alone. There were also the 'challenges.' That's a polite word for the Republican Party of Ohio's use of an old Ku Klux Klan technique: the attempt to block thousands of voters of color at the polls.

  In Ohio, Wisconsin and Florida, the GOP laid plans for poll workers to
  ambush citizens under arcane lawsalmost never usedallowing
  party-designated poll watchers to finger individual voters and demand they be denied a ballot. The Ohio courts were horrified and federal law
  prohibits targeting of voters where race is a factor in the challenge. But
  our Supreme Court was prepared to let Republicans stand in the voting booth door.

  In the end, the challenges were not overwhelming, but they were there. Many apparently resulted in voters getting these funky "provisional" ballotsa kind of voting placebowhich may or may not be counted.

  Blackwell estimates there were 175,000; Democrats say 250,000. Pick your number. But as challenges were aimed at minorities, no one doubts these are, again, overwhelmingly Democratic. Count them up, add in the spoiled punch cards (easy to tally with the human eye in a recount), and the totals begin to match the exit polls; and, golly, you've got yourself a new president. 

  Remember, Bush won by 136,483 votes in Ohio.

  Enchanted State's Enchanted Vote

  Now, on to New Mexico, where a Kerry pluralityif all votes are countedis
  more obvious still. Before the election, in TomPaine.com, I wrote, "John
  Kerry is down by several thousand votes in New Mexico, though not one
  ballot has yet been counted."

  How did that happen? It's the spoilage, stupid; and the provisional ballots.

  CNN said George Bush took New Mexico by 11,620 votes. Again, the network
  total added up to that miraculous, and non-existent, '100 percent' of
  ballots cast.

  New Mexico reported in the last race a spoilage rate of 2.68 percent, votes
  lost almost entirely in Hispanic, Native American and poor
  precinctsDemocratic turf. From Tuesday's vote, assuming the same
  ballot-loss rate, we can expect to see 18,000 ballots in the spoilage bin.

  Spoilage has a very Democratic look in New Mexico. Hispanic voters in the
  Enchanted State, who voted more than two to one for Kerry, are five times
  as likely to have their vote spoil as a white voter. Counting these
  uncounted votes would easily overtake the Bush 'plurality.'

  Already, the election-bending effects of spoilage are popping up in the
  election stats, exactly where we'd expect them: in heavily Hispanic areas
  controlled by Republican elections officials. Chaves County, in the "Little
  Texas" area of New Mexico, has a 44 percent Hispanic population, plus
  African Americans and Native Americans, yet George Bush "won" there 68
  percent to 31 percent.

  I spoke with Chaves' Republican county clerk before the election, and he
  told me that this huge spoilage rate among Hispanics simply indicated that
  such people simply can't make up their minds on the choice of candidate for
  president. Oddly, these brown people drive across the desert to register
  their indecision in a voting booth.

  Now, let's add in the effect on the New Mexico tally of provisional ballots.

  "They were handing them out like candy," Albuquerque journalist Renee Blake
  reported of provisional ballots. About 20,000 were given out. Who got them?

  Santiago Juarez who ran the "Faithful Citizenship" program for the Catholic
  Archdiocese in New Mexico, told me that "his" voters, poor Hispanics, whom
  he identified as solid Kerry supporters, were handed the iffy provisional
  ballots. Hispanics were given provisional ballots, rather than the
  countable kind "almost religiously," he said, at polling stations when
  there was the least question about a voter's identification. Some voters,
  Santiago said, were simply turned away.

  Your Kerry Victory Party

  So we can call Ohio and New Mexico for John Kerryif we count all the votes.

  But that won't happen. Despite the Democratic Party's pledge, the
  leadership this time gave in to racial disenfranchisement once again. Why?
  No doubt, the Democrats know darn well that counting all the spoiled and
  provisional ballots will require the cooperation of Ohio's Secretary of
  State, Blackwell. He will ultimately decide which spoiled and provisional
  ballots get tallied. Blackwell, hankering to step into Kate Harris'
  political pumps, is unlikely to permit anything close to a full count.
  Also, Democratic leadership knows darn well the media would punish the
  party for demanding a full count.

  What now? Kerry won, so hold your victory party. But make sure the shades
  are down: it may be become illegal to demand a full vote count under
  PATRIOT Act III.

  I used to write a column for the Guardian papers in London. Several friends
  have asked me if I will again leave the country. In light of the failurea
  second timeto count all the votes, that won't be necessary. My country has
  left me.

  http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php 


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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 21:14:14 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  7 21:14:31 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Message-ID: <142.3836f96d.2ec05aa6@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/4/04 02:46:26 PM, cararobindesign@hotmail.com writes:


> We have a long
> difficult fight ahead but will not give up. It's our country too!
> 
> Love, Cara
> 

Let me know when California, Oregon and Washington suceed from the Union.
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 21:43:33 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  7 21:43:48 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Beverly Bremers
Message-ID: <e1.5cf6847.2ec06185@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/6/04 12:40:45 PM, cararobindesign@hotmail.com writes:


> Guys, you'll love it too, ask Sherwin, who joined Sharmagne and me to cheer
> Bev on.
> 

and Lee loved it too!!   I really enjoyed it... but he was wild about it!!   
Couldn't stop referring to it today and told everyone we chatted with at the 
convention about it..
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 21:45:20 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  7 21:45:47 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Beverly Bremers
Message-ID: <25.51d92742.2ec061f0@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/6/04 02:17:06 PM, bev@beverlybremers.com writes:


> Thanks you Cara, for the glowing review! I'm in the show till January 9th.
> 
> Also, thanks again, to you, your wonderful Miranda, Sharmagne, Sherwin and 
> their friends for coming to the show to support me. (I'm sure you were curious 
> too!) You guys are dolls!
> 
> Love, Bev
> 

It really was the highlight of my trip to California!   That and hearing 
William Goldman and Aaron Sorkin speak today...   What a great age we live in!
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 21:46:58 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  7 21:47:11 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
Message-ID: <ae.65a3474a.2ec06252@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/6/04 09:54:07 AM, ace@aceross.com writes:


> 
> How lucky am I?? Very:)
>  I love you and thank you,
>  Sherwin
> 

Did I mention, Sherwin is a great hugger!!! <smile>!!
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 21:48:17 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  7 21:48:31 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
Message-ID: <1aa.2ac9cf2a.2ec062a1@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/7/04 06:15:34 PM, cararobindesign@hotmail.com writes:


> You're a sweetie Sherwin...but I'll love you more if you drop the "l"...!
> xo CARA
> 

you are so cute!! I wondered how you would handle your handle!!   LOL!
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 21:49:18 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  7 21:49:34 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
Message-ID: <15.374dcf29.2ec062de@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/7/04 06:42:19 PM, ace@aceross.com writes:


> Dear Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,
> Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara,
> Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara,
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> Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara,
> Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara,
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> Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,?? I love you:) Sorry? ?
> 

and there are still more reasons why we love you!!!   <SMILE>
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 21:55:57 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  7 21:56:11 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Speaking Sunday
Message-ID: <e6.5c56d4f4.2ec0646d@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/5/04 12:00:46 PM, goodhairdays@yahoo.com writes:


> 
> Wish I could be there. Best wishes.
> 
>  ?
> 
>  Peace and blessings ~ Jonathon
> 
> 
> 
Where's that clone when we need it. huh? LOL!!
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 22:01:04 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  7 22:01:21 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Today
Message-ID: <142.3838930a.2ec065a0@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/2/04 11:22:05 AM, jason@jasonkane.net writes:


> 
> 
> 
> Eight more soldiers died in Iraq on Saturday.? A Japanese backpacker was 
> beheaded in Iraq and left in the street, wrapped in an American flag.? I know 
> that no war is easy, but this was a war we did not need to get into.? Saddam 
> Hussein was a bad guy, but the man who orchestrated 9/11 is still putting out 
> more videos than Ashlee Simpson.
> 
> 

The minute Bu.Sh. got into office he was trying to fighure out how to stay 
there a seciond 4 years.
I can just see the balloon over his head.

"Let's blow up the world trade center, and then start a war so I can look 
like a big hero and save America and the World from terrorists...   That alone 
ought to get me a second term!   And it'll sure get me stealing the election off 
the front page!!"
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov  7 22:11:35 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  7 22:11:50 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Beverly Bremers
Message-ID: <158.43286f98.2ec06817@aol.com>

We have some phenomenal women on this list!! This is for them!

TO A PHENOMENAL WOMAN
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From ace at aceross.com  Sun Nov  7 23:15:00 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sun Nov  7 23:15:15 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
In-Reply-To: <15.374dcf29.2ec062de@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041108071502.A865B1C24D@gw02-bur.mroute.net>

 

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of SharmagneS@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 9:49 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?



In a message dated 11/7/04 06:42:19 PM, ace@aceross.com writes:




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Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,   I love you:) Sorry   




and there are still more reasons why we love you!!!  <SMILE>  
 
   

Dear Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,Cara, Cara, Cara,
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From ace at aceross.com  Sun Nov  7 23:17:35 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sun Nov  7 23:17:48 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Today
In-Reply-To: <142.3838930a.2ec065a0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041108071736.BE5243880A1@gw01-bur.mroute.net>

Who shot Kennedy?

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of SharmagneS@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:01 PM
To: mb-hair@islandemail.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Today



In a message dated 11/2/04 11:22:05 AM, jason@jasonkane.net writes:







Eight more soldiers died in Iraq on Saturday.  A Japanese backpacker was
beheaded in Iraq and left in the street, wrapped in an American flag.  I
know that no war is easy, but this was a war we did not need to get into.
Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but the man who orchestrated 9/11 is still
putting out more videos than Ashlee Simpson.





The minute Bu.Sh. got into office he was trying to fighure out how to stay
there a seciond 4 years.
I can just see the balloon over his head.

"Let's blow up the world trade center, and then start a war so I can look
like a big hero and save America and the World from terrorists...  That
alone ought to get me a second term!  And it'll sure get me stealing the
election off the front page!!" 
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From ace at aceross.com  Sun Nov  7 23:44:11 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sun Nov  7 23:44:23 2004
Subject: FW: [Mb-hair] Today
Message-ID: <20041108074412.A3BA21645B2@gw05-bur.mroute.net>

Well I'll be darned!

  _____  

From: Jody Hamilton [mailto:hammy1967@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:42 PM
To: ace
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Today


:)

Check this out:


On MSNBC early this week, Kieth Olbermann will be looking into
"irregularities" in the vote counting in Ohio and Florida.  You might
remember that Kerry was well ahead of Bush in FL and OH exit polls (and
these polls are usually spot-on accurate, since those who are polled have
actually voted).  Both of these states used optical scanning/ Diebold
computers for vote tallying.  These computers are easily hacked by anyone
with a bit of knowledge about the Windows operating system.  There is
evidence that this has happened.
 
This could be huge.  Check out his blog-
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240
 
He points out that Kerry's "concession" is not legally binding.  If
shenannigans are proven, the next few months could be REALLY interesting.
 
"Countdown with Kieth Olbermann" is on MSNBC at 5pm (with DirecTV on the
west coast- check your local listings).  Tell everyone you know to watch.
The media is a bunch of sheep- this WILL get picked up on once Olbermann
runs his story.
 
 


ace wrote:


Who shot Kennedy?

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of SharmagneS@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 10:01 PM
To: mb-hair@islandemail.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Today



In a message dated 11/2/04 11:22:05 AM, jason@jasonkane.net writes:







Eight more soldiers died in Iraq on Saturday.  A Japanese backpacker was
beheaded in Iraq and left in the street, wrapped in an American flag.  I
know that no war is easy, but this was a war we did not need to get into.
Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but the man who orchestrated 9/11 is still
putting out more videos than Ashlee Simpson.





The minute Bu.Sh. got into office he was trying to fighure out how to stay
there a seciond 4 years.
I can just see the balloon over his head.

"Let's blow up the world trade center, and then start a war so I can look
like a big hero and save America and the World from terrorists...  That
alone ought to get me a second term!  And it'll sure get me stealing the
election off the front page!!" 

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From ace at aceross.com  Sun Nov  7 23:45:53 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sun Nov  7 23:46:07 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: [Fwd: Watch "Countdown with Kieth Olbermann" this
	week]
Message-ID: <20041108074554.BD1CE3880AF@gw01-bur.mroute.net>

 

  _____  

From: Jody Hamilton [mailto:hammy1967@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 11:54 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: [Fwd: Watch "Countdown with Kieth Olbermann" this week]


Hi All,

With one county in Ohio giving Bush over 4 thousand votes when they only had
638 people voting, and his actual count was just under 400, I thought to
myself, hmmmm, that county voted on electronic machines.  40 Million people
voted electronically last week, if only 1% of them were increased to favor
Bush by the same margin in the Ohio county, then that would've changed the
vote totals in his favor, which would match closely to his overall totals
over Kerry.

I'm just glad I'm not the only one who's noticed.

Concession speeches aren't legally binding.  Perhaps the fat lady has yet to
take the stage. ....

xo
Jody

-------- Original Message -------- 
Subject: 	Watch "Countdown with Kieth Olbermann" this week	
Date: 	Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:12:45 -0800	
From: 	Jason Pauley  <mailto:jasonp49@hotmail.com> <jasonp49@hotmail.com>

To: 	Jason Pauley  <mailto:jasonp49@hotmail.com> <jasonp49@hotmail.com>



On MSNBC early this week, Kieth Olbermann will be looking into
"irregularities" in the vote counting in Ohio and Florida.  You might
remember that Kerry was well ahead of Bush in FL and OH exit polls (and
these polls are usually spot-on accurate, since those who are polled have
actually voted).  Both of these states used optical scanning/ Diebold
computers for vote tallying.  These computers are easily hacked by anyone
with a bit of knowledge about the Windows operating system.  There is
evidence that this has happened.
 
This could be huge.  Check out his blog-
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240
 
He points out that Kerry's "concession" is not legally binding.  If
shenannigans are proven, the next few months could be REALLY interesting.
 
"Countdown with Kieth Olbermann" is on MSNBC at 5pm (with DirecTV on the
west coast- check your local listings).  Tell everyone you know to watch.
The media is a bunch of sheep- this WILL get picked up on once Olbermann
runs his story.
 
 
 
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From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Mon Nov  8 00:22:23 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] globalwarming revealed
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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  8 01:06:39 2004
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Mon Nov  8 01:07:13 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
Message-ID: <BAY20-F38yTMaRPXxsC0001c203@hotmail.com>

My gosh, I'm blushing!!
And Sha, how do you ALWAYS manage to have the last word...or line as it 
were!!??
Love you too,
C

From: "ace" <ace@aceross.com>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:15:00 -0800



   _____

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of SharmagneS@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 9:49 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] How lucky am I?



In a message dated 11/7/04 06:42:19 PM, ace@aceross.com writes:




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and there are still more reasons why we love you!!!  <SMILE>



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Answer!



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From ace at aceross.com  Mon Nov  8 00:07:27 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Mon Nov  8 04:07:41 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: globalwarming revealed
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Nov  8 10:35:58 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Nov  8 07:33:36 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
Message-ID: <BDB4FC8E.1B08D%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Well, Nina, Ann, Bob, Bill, Trevor and I went to Brooklyn to see this show.
Had a delightful dinner at Convivium Osteria which if you are ever in the
area we can recommend.
Steven Smeltzer directed and Matt Schicker, Produced a really great version
of HAIR. I don't say that often. We all enjoyed it very much. The tribe was
terrific, movement great and it was very close to the original without a lot
of changes. Only negative-the band was a bit too loud. What is new for a
HAIR? Fortunately the band was good.
The bad news! Sunday was the last night. So our best to them in thanks.
Michael

From Aceross at comcast.net  Mon Nov  8 15:43:20 2004
From: Aceross at comcast.net (Ace)
Date: Mon Nov  8 15:43:37 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] (no subject)
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From Aceross at comcast.net  Mon Nov  8 18:04:40 2004
From: Aceross at comcast.net (Ace)
Date: Mon Nov  8 18:13:05 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............
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From ace at aceross.com  Mon Nov  8 18:20:07 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Mon Nov  8 18:20:21 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Nov  8 18:26:49 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Nov  8 18:27:04 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............
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From ace at aceross.com  Mon Nov  8 18:32:42 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Mon Nov  8 18:33:02 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Nov  8 18:38:28 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Nov  8 18:38:45 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............
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From ace at aceross.com  Mon Nov  8 18:39:04 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Mon Nov  8 18:39:20 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  8 18:50:58 2004
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Mon Nov  8 18:51:19 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
Message-ID: <BAY20-F4ImPiZxOASWT00027ecf@hotmail.com>

Yes, a wonderful production, seen in wonderful company. It was so great to 
see some of the original staging again, and I was very impressed with the 
level of talent in the company. The Tribe were so welcoming and speaking 
with them afterwards it was clear that the experience had made a large 
impact on them.

As Michael mentioned, they didn't do many of the newer revisions or the new 
lyrics. They cut not only The Bed, but also Going Down, which disappointed 
me, as it's a song I love. There were many strong performances, including 
Paul Lane as Claude, Vasthy Mompoint as Dionne/Abe Lincoln, and many, many 
more. Adam Enright sang Sodomy beautifullyly, as did Julia Kushner with 
Black Boys. Too many other strong performaces to list them all individually. 
All the singing was very strong and the the dancing wonderful. It was 
downright eerie to see some of the original staging.

A great evening - Wish I could go back! Hopefully some of their Tribe will 
be joining us on the list, so we will hear about it from their prospective!

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html




>From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>CC: Nina Dayton <dayton3@rcn.com>
>Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
>Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 10:35:58 -0800
>
>Well, Nina, Ann, Bob, Bill, Trevor and I went to Brooklyn to see this show.
>Had a delightful dinner at Convivium Osteria which if you are ever in the
>area we can recommend.
>Steven Smeltzer directed and Matt Schicker, Produced a really great version
>of HAIR. I don't say that often. We all enjoyed it very much. The tribe was
>terrific, movement great and it was very close to the original without a 
>lot
>of changes. Only negative-the band was a bit too loud. What is new for a
>HAIR? Fortunately the band was good.
>The bad news! Sunday was the last night. So our best to them in thanks.
>Michael
>
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From ace at aceross.com  Mon Nov  8 19:02:32 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Mon Nov  8 19:02:48 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............
In-Reply-To: <001801c4c605$31f8edb0$85426c42@hotprojects>
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Nov  9 08:21:24 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Nov  9 05:19:04 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share
	this............
In-Reply-To: <20041109020954.349C11645AE@gw05-bur.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <BDB62E84.1B11A%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Ace,
Very nice, thanks
Sent on
Michael

> http://i.euniverse.com/funpages/cms_content/2529/4candles.swf
> 
> 
> 
> Sherwin
> 
> 
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Nov  9 08:03:46 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Nov  9 08:04:03 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share	this............
References: <BDB62E84.1B11A%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <013501c4c675$b1939910$85426c42@hotprojects>

ace and i were boychicks together
michael
in the belly of the beast ( nbc affiliates etc )
ace can vouch what a really sweet character i am
and not at all with horns etc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............


> Ace,
> Very nice, thanks
> Sent on
> Michael
>
> > http://i.euniverse.com/funpages/cms_content/2529/4candles.swf
> >
> >
> >
> > Sherwin
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From ace at aceross.com  Tue Nov  9 08:33:49 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Tue Nov  9 08:34:05 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share	this............
In-Reply-To: <013501c4c675$b1939910$85426c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20041109163350.1596C1645AD@gw05-bur.mroute.net>


22 years ago......................

......I will never forget how Richard Haase treated me with respect and
dignity when I was so down on my luck waiting tables at Wolfs Deli back in
early 80's. My hair was so long that the only way I was able to keep my job
was to wear a GQ wig and it looked like a wig......I bought it at
Alexander's for 18 bucks!   ....he believed in me, he stepped up to help me
and work with me.....he gave me hope...........

I remember Richards talent, drive and determination. I remember Richard as a
man with vision, generosity and heart.

Last night on the phone....22 years later...........there was only that same
man .....................

....he told me about his daughters, his wife, his challenges and his
determination and commitment to Theater.

We sang together "What a piece of work is man" on the phone, together last
night...........

Richard Haase is a man with heart and a man that you just do not meet on the
streets......

Who would have ever know what "Hair" would do to our lives? This is
timeless, bonding, forgiving, enduring, caring, loving, searching, singing,
dancing, giving and filling us up everyday with hope.    

Sherwin Ross

http://www.aceross.com/achieve_your_ultimate_outcome.htm



-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:04 AM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............

ace and i were boychicks together
michael
in the belly of the beast ( nbc affiliates etc ) ace can vouch what a really
sweet character i am and not at all with horns etc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............


> Ace,
> Very nice, thanks
> Sent on
> Michael
>
> > http://i.euniverse.com/funpages/cms_content/2529/4candles.swf
> >
> >
> >
> > Sherwin
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Nov  9 08:35:58 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Nov  9 08:36:16 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share	this............
References: <20041109163350.1596C1645AD@gw05-bur.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <000a01c4c67a$315a5590$85426c42@hotprojects>

HOW LOVELY SHERWIN
I LOVE YOU TOO BUDDY
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ace" <ace@aceross.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this............


>
> 22 years ago......................
>
> ......I will never forget how Richard Haase treated me with respect and
> dignity when I was so down on my luck waiting tables at Wolfs Deli back in
> early 80's. My hair was so long that the only way I was able to keep my
job
> was to wear a GQ wig and it looked like a wig......I bought it at
> Alexander's for 18 bucks!   ....he believed in me, he stepped up to help
me
> and work with me.....he gave me hope...........
>
> I remember Richards talent, drive and determination. I remember Richard as
a
> man with vision, generosity and heart.
>
> Last night on the phone....22 years later...........there was only that
same
> man .....................
>
> ....he told me about his daughters, his wife, his challenges and his
> determination and commitment to Theater.
>
> We sang together "What a piece of work is man" on the phone, together last
> night...........
>
> Richard Haase is a man with heart and a man that you just do not meet on
the
> streets......
>
> Who would have ever know what "Hair" would do to our lives? This is
> timeless, bonding, forgiving, enduring, caring, loving, searching,
singing,
> dancing, giving and filling us up everyday with hope.
>
> Sherwin Ross
>
> http://www.aceross.com/achieve_your_ultimate_outcome.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
> [mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 8:04 AM
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share
this............
>
> ace and i were boychicks together
> michael
> in the belly of the beast ( nbc affiliates etc ) ace can vouch what a
really
> sweet character i am and not at all with horns etc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share
this............
>
>
> > Ace,
> > Very nice, thanks
> > Sent on
> > Michael
> >
> > > http://i.euniverse.com/funpages/cms_content/2529/4candles.swf
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sherwin
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mb-hair mailing list
> > > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> > >
> >
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From nycrjmac at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  9 17:13:45 2004
From: nycrjmac at yahoo.com (RJ Mac)
Date: Tue Nov  9 17:14:03 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
In-Reply-To: <BAY20-F4ImPiZxOASWT00027ecf@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041110011345.31110.qmail@web21126.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Little Birdie <lbirdie@hotmail.com> wrote:

> All the singing was very strong and the the dancing
> wonderful. It was 
> downright eerie to see some of the original staging.


Glad to learn it was a good show.
How did they know to do the original staging?  What
parts were they?

rj


		
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  9 18:08:03 2004
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Tue Nov  9 18:16:59 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
Message-ID: <BAY20-F40dkSmLAztxc00000a19@hotmail.com>

RJ wrote:
>How did they know to do the original staging?  What
>parts were they?

Steven Smeltzer, the director and choreographer, was in several European 
tours back in the eighties (and possibly the early nineties). He learned the 
staging from someone who played Hud in the first run London production, so 
he learned Julie Arenal's choreography, and Tom O'Horgan's staging, or at 
least a lot of it.

Every song used some of the original staging, plus added something of 
Steven's own, but keeping in the style of Julie's work. Many songs used 
about 50% original staging, some even more.

Michael and I remarked before the show started how the tribe was out in the 
audience really talking and interacting with the audience. They were 
chatting, pan handling, playing games, giving out flowers, etc. Very 
reminiscent of the original show. Robert and Bill and I started looking at 
each other incredulously when, after a signal from the band the entire tribe 
went into slow motion, just as in the Broadway show, and made their way to 
the stage that way, with bird calls and other noises, while the opening 
ritual went on on stage. Most shows do the opening ritual, but I have never 
seen, since first-run productions, the slow motion advance to the stage, 
coming together with the start of Aquarius. We kept looking at each other in 
amazement as each number included original staging. When we got to the 
middle of Colored Spade and they brought Claude out in a washtub wearing a 
Union Jack loin cloth we knew someone was very familiar with the way the 
show was done originally.

I cannot tell you how emotionally evocative it was to see people moving in 
such familiar patterns. Doris - I wish you had been there!

The director wrote to me this evening to say how hard it is for them all to 
move on, a feeling many of us are very familiar with. I hope he, and some of 
the Tribe members, will join us here on the list.

Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Nov  9 19:24:05 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Nov  9 19:24:23 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
References: <BAY20-F40dkSmLAztxc00000a19@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c4c6d4$bba25180$85426c42@hotprojects>

I had julie choreograph a couple of shows for me
that was an experience
to which tom ohorgan said to me
told you
lol
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players


> RJ wrote:
> >How did they know to do the original staging?  What
> >parts were they?
>
> Steven Smeltzer, the director and choreographer, was in several European
> tours back in the eighties (and possibly the early nineties). He learned
the
> staging from someone who played Hud in the first run London production, so
> he learned Julie Arenal's choreography, and Tom O'Horgan's staging, or at
> least a lot of it.
>
> Every song used some of the original staging, plus added something of
> Steven's own, but keeping in the style of Julie's work. Many songs used
> about 50% original staging, some even more.
>
> Michael and I remarked before the show started how the tribe was out in
the
> audience really talking and interacting with the audience. They were
> chatting, pan handling, playing games, giving out flowers, etc. Very
> reminiscent of the original show. Robert and Bill and I started looking at
> each other incredulously when, after a signal from the band the entire
tribe
> went into slow motion, just as in the Broadway show, and made their way to
> the stage that way, with bird calls and other noises, while the opening
> ritual went on on stage. Most shows do the opening ritual, but I have
never
> seen, since first-run productions, the slow motion advance to the stage,
> coming together with the start of Aquarius. We kept looking at each other
in
> amazement as each number included original staging. When we got to the
> middle of Colored Spade and they brought Claude out in a washtub wearing a
> Union Jack loin cloth we knew someone was very familiar with the way the
> show was done originally.
>
> I cannot tell you how emotionally evocative it was to see people moving in
> such familiar patterns. Doris - I wish you had been there!
>
> The director wrote to me this evening to say how hard it is for them all
to
> move on, a feeling many of us are very familiar with. I hope he, and some
of
> the Tribe members, will join us here on the list.
>
> Love,
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From djbrook at hevanet.com  Tue Nov  9 18:37:29 2004
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Tue Nov  9 21:38:22 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
References: <BAY20-F40dkSmLAztxc00000a19@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901c4c6ce$39692050$64153dc0@djb>


----- Original Message -----
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players

Nina wrote:
>
> I cannot tell you how emotionally evocative it was to see people moving in
> such familiar patterns. Doris - I wish you had been there!
>

Nina- you're giving me chills; I wish I'd been there, too!  As you described
the slo-mo I got a flash of it.  Amazing what lives on in the psyche.

love, Doris


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Nov 10 05:43:55 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Nov 10 05:44:16 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
References: <BAY20-F40dkSmLAztxc00000a19@hotmail.com>
	<001901c4c6ce$39692050$64153dc0@djb>
Message-ID: <005e01c4c72b$52c7e650$85426c42@hotprojects>

what companies of hair are you guys with?
I directed the 1980 off broadway revival in new york city
at Harry Streeps 399 seat brook theater; ran 1980 - 1981; then played as the
keynote entertainment at the National Anti Draft Rally ( 1980 ) in front of
100,000 people.
Also seeing Hair  ( the original company )as a 10 year old boy in 1968
changed my life
I had the privilege to work with jerry, galt and jimmy on the 1980 off
broadway production

Richard Haase in NYC
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doris J. Brook" <djbrook@hevanet.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:08 PM
> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
>
> Nina wrote:
> >
> > I cannot tell you how emotionally evocative it was to see people moving
in
> > such familiar patterns. Doris - I wish you had been there!
> >
>
> Nina- you're giving me chills; I wish I'd been there, too!  As you
described
> the slo-mo I got a flash of it.  Amazing what lives on in the psyche.
>
> love, Doris
>
>
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Wed Nov 10 13:06:04 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 10 13:06:31 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] hi tribe
Message-ID: <1e9.2e71a9f1.2ec3dcbc@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/6/2004 11:37:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
olhippie@tampabay.rr.com writes:

> hi  tribe  time to come to old europe and live it up where life goes  on
> without bush and his bandits lets all buy a big house on the island  of
> rhodes and go back to where it all started and love and peace still  can
> be found with good wine and smiles  greece love you all  vincent  let the
> sun shine in


I'll rent a villa in Tuscany and all y'all can visit me on the  weekends!
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From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 10 17:16:26 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Lenny Bruce Style rant
Message-ID: <1a8.2ab19f3e.2ec41753@aol.com>

Not everyone will appreciate this...but I sure did:
 
_Fuck the South_ (http://www.fuckthesouth.com/)  
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From jlunger at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 10 19:03:52 2004
From: jlunger at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Lunger)
Date: Wed Nov 10 20:05:07 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
In-Reply-To: <200411102000.iAAK03Kl009557@dune>
Message-ID: <BDB84ED8.11C5%jlunger@earthlink.net>

I saw the Gallery Players production on the same night as Nina, Michael,
Robert, Bill and Annie.  I was on the waiting list and got the absolute very
last available ticket (from about 60 people waiting!) -- how lucky was
that??!! The gods of HAiR were smiling upon me that night  :)

As for the original staging, others know more than I, but the nude scene was
done full on (not done so much these days), and the acid trip, where the
nuns kill the Vietnamese , who are then killed by the indians, and etc etc
under a black light and then the whole scene is done in reverse and again
three times is part of the original staging, no? They did it FLAWLESSY.
Also, Electric Blues, where Chrissy comes out with a Victrola  playing
"White Cliffs of Dover" before the song starts, with the tribe holding
flashlights, was from the old days, no?  (My least favorite staging
personally but archivally correct I think...)

Nina, I didn't even notice that they didn't do Going Down or The Bed, as I
was so goddamn happy to be seeing such a great production of HAiR!! But they
DID do Dead End which is not usually part of he lineup, since this cast had
a decent racial mix, and some songs (like Dead End) are best sung by black
voices.  The woman in the seat next to me told me she had been in three
productions of HAiR, evidenced by the fact that she, singing along (as was
I), knew the whole complicated list of Ain't Got No's.  And My personal high
point was dancing in the aisles with the Japanese chick from the tribe for
Good Morning Starshine. Finally after 35 years I am part of a performance of
HAiR !  Whooooeeeee!!

I can only hope that Steven Smeltzer gets to direct HAiR again some day in a
bigger venue.  He made it fresh and new and very moving.  And he was a
FAAAABulous Margaret Mead to boot!!!  Everyone did such a WONDERFUL job!!!!
It was a sort of three-ring circus atmosphere at the beginning of the show,
and then as it got more heavy in Act 2 the actors were tuned in to the
complexity of the situation and the emotions involved.  Starshine as I
mentione=d had us dancing in the aisles but was somewhat somber at first
(appropriately so).  And by the end I had cried about five times (always the
litmus test for my enjoyment -- go figure!)

On another note I just went to the party for the Jobriath cd release.  Mark
Petrocca, who is making a documentary about Jobriath, had a preview trailer
of the film, which looks great!  Looking forward to seeing a finished film!
The cds were not available to buy there but are in stores now as I
understand.  Michael B made an appearance, also Jayne County and other
luminaries.  It was fun...

And on another side note, those of you in the NYC area (RJ are you
listening?) MUST go see "Aint Supposed to Die A Natural Death", the
Classical Theatre of Harlem revival of Melvin Van Peebles 1971 musical of
ghetto life.  Less than six degrees of separation:  Harold Wheeler who did
the original music for the 1971 production, and a master funkster himself,
played on several of Galt MacDermot's albums.  The show is extended to Nov
21 I think.

love you all (though I keep on the down low)

Jeff


From VinUschi at t-online.de  Wed Nov 10 20:08:46 2004
From: VinUschi at t-online.de (Vincent Edwards)
Date: Thu Nov 11 03:02:59 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] hud  london
Message-ID: <4192E5CE.D119AD66@t-online.de>

hi tribe its nice to see hud from our london tribe come up on tribe
mail   peter straker played the part i was at his birthday party in
london a couple of weeks ago i think its still going on i bailed out
after a couple of days  woof is cool  love and peace  vincent

From Aceross at comcast.net  Wed Nov 10 20:10:06 2004
From: Aceross at comcast.net (Ace)
Date: Thu Nov 11 06:39:36 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] http://www.petitiononline.com/uselect/petition.html
Message-ID: <20041111041004.721C41C253@gw02-bur.mroute.net>

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From lyve at netzero.com  Wed Nov 10 21:01:01 2004
From: lyve at netzero.com (Lyle K'ang)
Date: Thu Nov 11 06:39:38 2004
Subject: [Mb-civic] [Mb-hair] This is really nice, I want to share this....
	........
Message-ID: <20041110.210136.26987.137165@webmail04.nyc.untd.com>

Wonderful-thanks for sharing...


Lyle K'ang
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From: venuetheatre at juno.com (Corinne Broskette)
Date: Thu Nov 11 06:39:40 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] The Smell is getting worse
Message-ID: <200411111436.iABEasit011374@dune>

> November 9, 2004
>
> Incredible As It May Seem, MSNBC Covers Voting Problems
> A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION
>
> Just watched Keith Olbermann on MSNBC in which he did a story on 
> election problems. He said that there were 90,000 more votes cast in 
> Ohio than registered voters (he went through a list of counties and 
> said how many voters were registered in each and how many extra 
> thousands of votes were recorded).
>
> He reported how in Florida counties, heavily-leaning dem counties went 
> overwhelmingly for Bush -- the first time these counties have ever 
> voted Repub. He showed charts with numbers, etc., it was very 
> compelling.
>
> He said that all the irregularities in Florida and Ohio have happened 
> in counties using non-paper-trail e-voting from the companies run by 
> Bush's friends.
>
> He interviewed a reporter from the Cincinnati paper who discussed how 
> homeland security barred reporters from witnessing the voting in some 
> of the major minority areas in town, that this was the first time the 
> press was ever kept out of and barred from witnessing the voting. The 
> Sec of State in Ohio says that it was under orders from Bush's 
> Homeland Security chief, who said that these cities in Ohio were under 
> a highly increased threat of terrorism during the election. For this 
> reason, only one entrance was open for the voting in these (largely 
> democratic) areas, and the press was barred from coming in to see the 
> voting, or to have the usual offices in the building they have had in 
> every past year.
>
> Olbermann then had Rep. John Conyers on and there are a dozen or so 
> representatives demanding an investigation from the GAO. So it's 
> Chicago-style voting taken to a national level -- the GOP dead vote, 
> the GOP takes away votes from Dems and turned them into Bush votes, 
> and they just add extra votes (for pres, not on the other issues or 
> candidates) to the totals.
>
> In Florida where Bush scored big, on the same ballots Democratic 
> measures scored big, such as making a Florida minimum wage $1 above 
> the federal level. In other words, all these people voted for Bush AND 
> voted to pass these Democratic measures, which the GOP had tried to 
> defeat. So this indicates that only the presidential election voting 
> was rigged, they didn't rig the rest of the voting form.
>
> Looks like maybe we're going to get some sort of investigation into 
> the fraud that's gone down after all, even if Kerry caved in.
>
> Also, some counties in Ohio where the press has always been allowed to 
> inspect figures from voting -- have been taken away and they're not 
> allowed to view them. They're filing something in court to force the 
> Sec of State to release them for public review.
>
> Also, one heavily-Dem county in Florida discovered a huge stack of 
> absentee ballots that had not been counted and told the Sec of State's 
> office about the ballots and said they would count them -- and the Sec 
> of State told them to hold on, and then came and took the ballots 
> away, so the officials in that county were never able to count them.
>
> A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION
>
>
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Nov 11 09:48:48 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Nov 11 06:46:32 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at The Gallery Players
In-Reply-To: <BDB84ED8.11C5%jlunger@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BDB8E600.1B218%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Jeff,

Thanks for your comments.
Nice seeing you last night.

Michael

> I saw the Gallery Players production on the same night as Nina, Michael,
> Robert, Bill and Annie.  I was on the waiting list and got the absolute very
> last available ticket (from about 60 people waiting!) -- how lucky was
> that??!! The gods of HAiR were smiling upon me that night  :)
> 
> As for the original staging, others know more than I, but the nude scene was
> done full on (not done so much these days), and the acid trip, where the
> nuns kill the Vietnamese , who are then killed by the indians, and etc etc
> under a black light and then the whole scene is done in reverse and again
> three times is part of the original staging, no? They did it FLAWLESSY.
> Also, Electric Blues, where Chrissy comes out with a Victrola  playing
> "White Cliffs of Dover" before the song starts, with the tribe holding
> flashlights, was from the old days, no?  (My least favorite staging
> personally but archivally correct I think...)
> 
> Nina, I didn't even notice that they didn't do Going Down or The Bed, as I
> was so goddamn happy to be seeing such a great production of HAiR!! But they
> DID do Dead End which is not usually part of he lineup, since this cast had
> a decent racial mix, and some songs (like Dead End) are best sung by black
> voices.  The woman in the seat next to me told me she had been in three
> productions of HAiR, evidenced by the fact that she, singing along (as was
> I), knew the whole complicated list of Ain't Got No's.  And My personal high
> point was dancing in the aisles with the Japanese chick from the tribe for
> Good Morning Starshine. Finally after 35 years I am part of a performance of
> HAiR !  Whooooeeeee!!
> 
> I can only hope that Steven Smeltzer gets to direct HAiR again some day in a
> bigger venue.  He made it fresh and new and very moving.  And he was a
> FAAAABulous Margaret Mead to boot!!!  Everyone did such a WONDERFUL job!!!!
> It was a sort of three-ring circus atmosphere at the beginning of the show,
> and then as it got more heavy in Act 2 the actors were tuned in to the
> complexity of the situation and the emotions involved.  Starshine as I
> mentione=d had us dancing in the aisles but was somewhat somber at first
> (appropriately so).  And by the end I had cried about five times (always the
> litmus test for my enjoyment -- go figure!)
> 
> On another note I just went to the party for the Jobriath cd release.  Mark
> Petrocca, who is making a documentary about Jobriath, had a preview trailer
> of the film, which looks great!  Looking forward to seeing a finished film!
> The cds were not available to buy there but are in stores now as I
> understand.  Michael B made an appearance, also Jayne County and other
> luminaries.  It was fun...
> 
> And on another side note, those of you in the NYC area (RJ are you
> listening?) MUST go see "Aint Supposed to Die A Natural Death", the
> Classical Theatre of Harlem revival of Melvin Van Peebles 1971 musical of
> ghetto life.  Less than six degrees of separation:  Harold Wheeler who did
> the original music for the 1971 production, and a master funkster himself,
> played on several of Galt MacDermot's albums.  The show is extended to Nov
> 21 I think.
> 
> love you all (though I keep on the down low)
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Nov 11 07:07:53 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Nov 11 07:08:19 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] hud  london
References: <4192E5CE.D119AD66@t-online.de>
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vince edwards peter straker were the london company right? i have the record
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From: "Vincent Edwards" <VinUschi@t-online.de>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] hud london


> hi tribe its nice to see hud from our london tribe come up on tribe
> mail   peter straker played the part i was at his birthday party in
> london a couple of weeks ago i think its still going on i bailed out
> after a couple of days  woof is cool  love and peace  vincent
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Nov 11 11:10:22 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Nov 11 08:08:14 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] IMPORTANT READ "Stolen Ballot" Benjamin Quinto of Global
	Youth
In-Reply-To: <auto-000008512158@nv.net>
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------ Forwarded Message
From: "Benjamin Quinto" <benjamin@youthlink.org>
Organization: Global Youth Action Network

Subject: Stolen Ballot

Dear friends,
 
I've been pretty quiet since the election and, like most of you, was
depressed and furious, finding the results incomprehensible.  Exit polling
across the country--usually the most reliable figures before the actual
tabulation--clearly showed Kerry winning the night of the election.
 
I would have bet everything I had that Kerry would carry the election, even
months ago.  In fact I made a number of bets with people, based on my behind
the scenes involvement with a bunch of the organizing, supporting the
organizers in any way I could. We saw grassroots organizing unlike ever
before seen in our nation's history!  People from all over the country
flocked to the swing states, knocked on tens of thousands of doors, made
hundreds of thousands of phone calls, ran campaigns, hitting the streets to
take the message to every corner of our country: things HAVE to change!
Countless friends of mine went to Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Iowa and many
other states to pound the pavement an talk to people.  All of this on the
progressive side...
 
I was convinced that the youth voter turnout alone would swing the election,
in favor of Kerry (not saying anything about him being the ideal candidate).
Numbers show that almost 21 million youth turned out, a sharp rise (10%)
since the last elections.  Since 1972, youth voting had dropped consistently
each cycle, except for the tiny spike in 1992; but the 2004 numbers beat
those by far, and were in favor of Kerry by over 12 points. Even though the
media downplayed the impact of the youth vote, which was really offending
the night of the election, young people came out in record numbers with a
clear message. CIRCLE published a study that made their impact clear:
http://www.civicyouth.org/PopUps/Release_Turnout2004.pdf and
http://www.civicyouth.org/PopUps/Release_1824final.pdf
 
So what happened? How on earth did we re-elect this president? I really
don't think we did.
 
The election system is flawed. We had a hint of it in 2000, but since then
it actually seems to have worsened!
 
More than 30,000 complaints have been filed across the country. Reports are
rampant about voters again being turned away, discouraged, waiting 10 hours
in line for their chance at 2 machines in their precinct, etc.. But even
worse is what we're learning about DIEBOLD, the private right-leaning
company who got the no-bid contract to do the vote processing.  Phenomenal
holes have been found in how they process the voting! The scariest part is
that it is not only easy to hack their systems, but just as easy to do so
without a trace or any other proof!  VOTERGATE, a short movie, revealed
these holes, and has been going around.  It's on www.votergate.tv, although
I couldn't view it there. I did find it on
http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater268.html and think it's
definitely worth checking out.
 
 <http://www.votergate.tv> But the facts are getting out there, as the
reports and complaints are being looked over.  Atrocious disparities are
coming out:
- in counties where only several hundred people are registered to vote,
several thousands of votes were counted
- in other places, although registered voters were overwhelmingly
Democratic, votes were oddly heavily for Bush
- there have been admitted cases of the technology losing votes due to
technical problems
See here for more: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
 
The bottom line is that there were problems.  I can't believe that our
voting system was left in such bad condition for this election, one of the
most important in history, and that not much is being done about it. I am
frustrated that the concession was made without a fight (remember 2000), and
that there isn't an uproar (or even public knowledge) about how the votes
are processed. How could we leave it in the hands of a private corporation,
when 70% of voting was done electronically in their system, which isn't
tamper-safe... especially when there are so many complaints and reports!?
 
I have been hoping looking for someone who is raising hell about this, and
find the conversation remarkably absent in the media (surprise). Thankfully,
at least Act for Change / Working Assets has launched a campaign calling for
an investigatation of voter fraud.  See more and join it here:
http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=18056
 
I think a shout-out is due to the amazing organizers I know who hit the
streets, mobilized their peers and impressive resources to undertake a
historic grassroots effort.  I think we're being lied to about the results
of these efforts though. It makes me angry, misrepresents our country and
steals from us the true impact of the organizing that happened. Even worse,
it again eats away at the little confidence people have in our democracy and
the value of their vote anyways, something we're desperately trying to
remind people of every day.
 
Here's a novel bunch of snapshots from around the country in response to the
election results, which I agree empathize with:
<http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/sorryeverybody/show/>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/sorryeverybody/show/  We're hoping to get
some more reactions internationally in a similar kind of project. I hope an
investigation is caried out, but we may have our hands tied. If the vote was
hacked, and without a trace, I'm not sure there's anything we can do. But we
can at least learn the lesson and know that we have to dig deeper, and not
just send our sheep (ballots) to the slaughterhouse (DIEBOLD sytems), but
demand far greater accountability...
 
In the midst of all of these, I have been looking for the positives:
- had Kerry been elected, we'd likely be under the mistaken impression that
all is going to be ok; it's not.
- we have set record numbers, not only among youth, but the largest voter
turnout in 40 years!
- we finally know the numbers: there are about 12 million youth in the
country passionate about change, enough for critical mass
- tremendous momentum was built this year; our fight now will hopefully grow
even stronger
- we can and will get young people to run for congress, and work at every
level of the system for change
 
I have seen some great pieces sent around about the election already, and I
hope to see more. We all need to remind and encourage each other that change
is not only possible, but that together we will continue to bring it about
in every single way we can! And as Michael Moore pointed out, young people
are definitely headed in the right direction
(http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-11-07)
, so don't believe what the media told you.
 
Thanks for allowing me to share my thoughts, frustration and hope for things
to come with you.
 
ben


------ End of Forwarded Message

From SharmagneS at aol.com  Thu Nov 11 08:27:18 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 11 08:27:43 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Message-ID: <13e.6009466.2ec4ece6@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 11/4/2004 2:28:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,  
barbarasiomos38@webtv.net writes:

I am so  proud of you Cara..stay  strong.

peace,
barbara


We don't call her Carissima for naught!  <smile>
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Nov 11 12:00:38 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Nov 11 08:58:24 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election
Message-ID: <BDB904E6.1B23A%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Dear friend,

Questions are swirling around whether the election was
conducted honestly or not.  We need to know -- was it or wasn't it?

If
people were wrongly prevented from voting, or if legitimate votes were
mis-counted or not counted at all, we need to know so the wrongdoers can be
held accountable, and to help prevent this from happening again.

Members of
Congress are demanding an investigation to answer this question.  Join me in
supporting their call,
at:

http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

Thanks.

From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 11 10:06:56 2004
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Thu Nov 11 10:07:25 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election
Message-ID: <BAY20-F14wk2UfxhUIB0003b848@hotmail.com>

We said this last time around - we make a big noise but nothing happens. The 
fraud goes on, no one is held accountable and Bush is elected for a second 
term. We have huge on-line support but for what? Who said "cheaters never 
prosper"?

From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: Civic <mb-civic@islandlists.com>, HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:00:38 -0800

Dear friend,

Questions are swirling around whether the election was
conducted honestly or not.  We need to know -- was it or wasn't it?

If
people were wrongly prevented from voting, or if legitimate votes were
mis-counted or not counted at all, we need to know so the wrongdoers can be
held accountable, and to help prevent this from happening again.

Members of
Congress are demanding an investigation to answer this question.  Join me in
supporting their call,
at:

http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

Thanks.

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Nov 11 10:20:23 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Nov 11 10:20:47 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election
References: <BAY20-F14wk2UfxhUIB0003b848@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c4c81b$1c2167c0$85426c42@hotprojects>

cheaters never prosper? hmm who said that?
john d rockefeller? or that nice dynasty of death dupont man?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cara Robin" <cararobindesign@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 1:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election


> We said this last time around - we make a big noise but nothing happens.
The
> fraud goes on, no one is held accountable and Bush is elected for a second
> term. We have huge on-line support but for what? Who said "cheaters never
> prosper"?
>
> From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> To: Civic <mb-civic@islandlists.com>, HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:00:38 -0800
>
> Dear friend,
>
> Questions are swirling around whether the election was
> conducted honestly or not.  We need to know -- was it or wasn't it?
>
> If
> people were wrongly prevented from voting, or if legitimate votes were
> mis-counted or not counted at all, we need to know so the wrongdoers can
be
> held accountable, and to help prevent this from happening again.
>
> Members of
> Congress are demanding an investigation to answer this question.  Join me
in
> supporting their call,
> at:
>
> http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/
>
> Thanks.
>
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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 11 10:36:38 2004
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Thu Nov 11 10:37:25 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Message-ID: <BAY20-F12w1SSfWXWzR0003e88c@hotmail.com>

Sharamia,
When are you back in town again?
xo C

From: SharmagneS@aol.com
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 11:27:18 EST


In a message dated 11/4/2004 2:28:52 PM Pacific Standard Time,
barbarasiomos38@webtv.net writes:

I am so  proud of you Cara..stay  strong.

peace,
barbara


We don't call her Carissima for naught!  <smile>
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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 11 01:39:42 2004
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Thu Nov 11 11:10:58 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] hi tribe
Message-ID: <BAY20-F17Dx1kLwxTQT000378aa@hotmail.com>

Since I'm going there Monday shall I check out available villas for 
you???!!!  xoC

From: SharmagneS@aol.com
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com, VinUschi@t-online.de
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] hi tribe
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:06:04 EST


In a message dated 11/6/2004 11:37:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
olhippie@tampabay.rr.com writes:

 > hi  tribe  time to come to old europe and live it up where life goes  on
 > without bush and his bandits lets all buy a big house on the island  of
 > rhodes and go back to where it all started and love and peace still  can
 > be found with good wine and smiles  greece love you all  vincent  let the
 > sun shine in


I'll rent a villa in Tuscany and all y'all can visit me on the  weekends!
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From johanna at jcourtleigh.com  Wed Nov 10 20:02:29 2004
From: johanna at jcourtleigh.com (Johanna Courtleigh)
Date: Thu Nov 11 13:19:51 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] URGENT - The Big Story - News Lockdown and the story they
	can't talk...
Message-ID: <200411112053.iABKrcHh012253@dune>

>>
>> From: "Peter Coyote" <Peter@wdprod.com>
>>  Date: November 8, 2004 4:48:10 PM PST
>>
>>  Subject: FW: URGENT - The Big Story - News Lockdown and the story
>> they can't talk about - Computer Voting and Election Fraud
>>
>>  I received this from a close friend. It has a wealth of "can-do"
>> contacts on it if you're moved to "do something." Remember, the
>> electoral college has not yet voted!!!
>>
>>  Stefanie Cook is a former programmer at Microsoft. Her maiden name
>> is Reichel, and her father was on the National Security Council under
>> Reagen and Bush the First. ?She's sharp, smart and pretty well
>> connected. ?She's about 38 and lives down the street from me, with
>> her husband and two little girls. ?She is not a nut-case.
>>
>>
>>  There is a bumper sticker I saw months ago that sums up the current
>> state of affairs in our country regarding what is the biggest news
>> story you'll never see on the General Media reported. ?It said "IF
>> YOUR NOT OUTRAGED, YOUR NOT PAYING ATTENTION". On Friday I received a
>> phone call from a good friend who works at CBS - I've known her for
>> years and she is a Producer for some of the news programs, one well
>> known one in particular. ??She tipped me off that the news media is
>> in a "lock-down" and that there is to be no no TV coverage of the
>> real problems with voting on Nov. 2nd. ?She said similar "lock-down
>> orders" had come down last year after the invasion of Iraq, but this
>> is far worse - far scarier. ?She said the majority of their
>> journalists at CBS and elsewhere in NYC are pretty horrified - every
>> one is worried about their jobs and retribution Dan Rather style or
>> worse. ?My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it
>> even on their own time but she was pissed and her journalistic and
>> moral integrity as what she considers to be a gov't watchdog requires
>> her to speak out, while be it covert and she therefore asked me to
>> "spread" the word...She said that journalism and the truth is at
>> stake. ?She said another friend of hers, a producer at MSNBC, said
>> that an anchor by the name of Keith Olbermann had brought it up on
>> his show on Friday eve and the axe came down. ?He's atleast fighting
>> back and talking about it on his "Blog", but she said that people
>> there are worried that he's going to be fired by higher ups. She said
>> at this point the only way that the "real news" was going to be if
>> the people started talking about it and made a big enough stink about
>> it to our elected officials, the FEC, and "noise" to the
>> international media, that our own media won't have any choice but to
>> cover it. ?(Yes, this is really happening in the good ole' supposed
>> "democratic" free press of the US of A). ?The only place you'll see
>> this talked about right now is on the internet and on
>> AirAmericaRadio.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Everyone - this is serious....I can't emphasize it any more than
>> saying if there was ever a time to speak up and take action it is
>> NOW. ?If you are feeling sick to your stomach (like me) about the
>> possibility of 4 more years under Bush and the future of our country,
>> and yet you feel helpless, here's your opportunity to take action.
>> ?Imagine if you saw a loved one drowning - what do you do? ?Well, our
>> country's democracy is drowning and she needs us.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Please, find 20-30 minutes today to call and/or email the following
>> list of people and agencies and tell them that you are outraged and
>> concerned about the possibility of election fraud and votes not
>> having been counted properly in your state and others that may have
>> altered the outcome of the election. ?Mention that you are aware of
>> reports from counties around the country (in particular OH and
>> Florida) that reported the following a) More votes recorded than
>> there are voters in counties using electronic voting machines b) that
>> not all military, provisional and absentee ballots have been counted.
>> ?Let them know you consider this to be serious violations of your
>> rights as a citizen under the "HAVA - Help America Vote Act" and that
>> you want them to undertake an investigation.
>>
>>
>>
>>  People and Agencies to Contact regarding this matter:
>>
>>
>>
>>  1) Your two Senators & elected Representative - here is the main
>> switchboard number for the House and Senate:
>>
>>
>>  ???202-224-3121
>>
>>
>>
>>  2) Nancy Pelosi, House Minority Leader:
>>
>>
>>  ???202-225-4965
>>
>>
>>
>>  3) These members are allegedl/reportedly looking into the issue -
>> urge them to introduce a bill to investigate voter fraud:
>>
>>
>>  Rep. Henry Waxman of CA - 202-225-3976
>>
>>
>>  Rep. Stephanie Tubbs-Jones of OH - 202-225-7032
>>
>>
>>  Rep. Dennis Kucinich of OH - 202-225-5871
>>
>>
>>  Rep. Tim Ryan of OH - 202-225-5261
>>
>>
>>
>>  4) Democratic & Republican Members of the House Judiciary Committee:
>>
>>
>>  Rep. Robert Wexler of FL - ?202-225-3001
>>
>>
>>  Rep. Maxine Waters of CA - 202-225-2201
>>
>>
>>  Rep. Chabot of OH (R)- 202-225-2216
>>
>>
>>  Rep. King of IA (R)- 202-225-4426
>>
>>
>>
>>  5) Democrat & Republican Members (call both) of the Senate Judiciary
>> Committee:
>>
>>
>>  Sen. Patrick Leahy of VT - 202-224-4242
>>
>>
>>  Sen. Ted Kennedy of MA - 202-224-4543
>>
>>
>>  Sen. Joe Biden of DE - 202-224-5042
>>
>>
>>  Sen. Russ Feingold of WI - 202-224-5323
>>
>>
>>  Sen. Charles Schumer of NY - 202-224-6542
>>
>>
>>  Sen. Arlen Specter of PA (R) - 202-224-4254 (thank him also for
>> having urged the Pres. to not choose anti-abortion judges and taking
>> the body blows)
>>
>>
>>  Sen. Mike DeWine of OH (R) - 202-224-2315
>>
>>
>>  Sen. Chuck Grassley of IA (R)- 202-224-3744
>>
>>
>>
>>  6) Federal Elections Commission:
>>
>>
>>
>>  Audit Division
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Joseph Stoltz, Assistant Staff Director
>>
>>
>> Telephone:
>>
>>
>>
>>  800-424-9530 (press 0, then ext. 1200)
>>
>>
>>
>> Inspector General
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Lynne McFarland, Inspector General
>>
>>
>> Telephone: ????????????????????????????????????????
>>
>>
>>
>>  800-424-9530 (press 0, then ext. 1015)
>>
>>
>>  7) The news media - we have to put pressure on them: (this is all I
>> could find for now)
>>
>>
>>
>>  ???NBC/MSNBC-
>>
>>  Nightly@NBC.com & viewerservices@msnbc.com
>>
>>
>>  ???CNN-
>>
>>  http://www.cnn.com/feedback/
>>
>>
>>
>>  ????CBS-
>>  212-258-6000 - 60II@cbsnews.com, evening@cbsnews.com,
>> 48hours@cbsnews.com,
>>  earlyshow@cbs.com
>>
>>
>>  8) ?Call the Secretary of State's office in the state of OH and FL -
>>
>>
>>  Tell them that you demand under the HAVA law to have all votes
>> counted - especially the absentee, military and all provisional
>> ballots counted and verified - tell them you suspect foul-play.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Phone # to OH Sec. of State Kenneth Blackwell's Office:
>>  toll free - 1-877-767-6446 or email:
>>
>>  election@sos.state.oh.us
>>
>>  or 614-466-2585
>>
>>
>>  Phone # to FL Sec. of State Glenda Hood's Office:
>>  ?
>>
>>
>>  850-245-6500
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  9) Donate $5 to Bev Harris at
>>
>>  http://www.blackboxvoting.org
>>  - she has been filing 1000's of information requests under the
>> "FOIA-Freedom of Information Act" to account for the various voting
>> machines across the country.
>>
>>
>>
>>  10) Email or Fax Ralph Nader - Yep, you heard me, good ole
>> Ralph....here's his opportunity to make up for any feelings of bad
>> will after the 2000 election and the current one. ?Ralph has been a
>> lifelong advocate for us, the consumer and little guy and he is
>> actually in the unique position right now to do something since he
>> was a Presidential candidate and has the ability to be listened to.
>> ?He has actually already filed a challenge in NH (not that he is
>> looking to overturn the results, but because he can prove there may
>> have been bigger problems and he qualifies there as having been on
>> the ballot).
>>
>>  http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=400
>>  Urge him to do this across the board on a national level. ?Heck, the
>> media seemed to have such a lovefest with him before the election,
>> could they possibly ignore him now? ?Contact Ralph at - 202-265-4000
>>
>>
>>
>>  11) Call/email Jimmy Carter at the Carter Center:
>> carterweb@emory.edu or call at (800) 550-3560
>>
>>
>>
>>  ???Former President Jimmy Carter and the Carter Center are
>> considered to be the most experienced in the election process and
>> conducting fair democratic elections - urge him to get involved and
>> investigate possible fraud and the unexplainable discepancies
>> throughout the election involving the computer voting machines,
>> especially in swing states.
>>
>>
>>
>>  In an email I sent you last night, I used the F-word - FRAUD and
>> mentioned to you that I felt strongly that there is a lot of mounting
>> evidence that this election was not clean. ??I say that not only out
>> of a result of my observations while out in the field as a poll
>> watcher in the key battleground state of Ohio, I say it with the
>> knowledge and information of reports that have been circulating
>> around the country in various voting precincts involving
>> irregularities and problems with the voting machines and numbers not
>> matching up with the exit polls or actual numbers of registered
>> voters in various precincts. ?I've been busy researching this issue
>> and compiling for you below some details of these reports and where
>> you can get more info:
>>
>>
>>
>>  To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:
>>
>>
>>
>>  1- That the exit polls were WRONG...(remember - they have been used
>> for over a decade and considered reliable)
>>
>>
>>
>>  2- That Zogby's 5pm election day calls for Kerry winning OH, FL were
>> WRONG. He was within a less than 1/2 % point margin of error in his
>> 2000 final poll and previous polls for other elections.
>>
>>
>>
>>  3- That Harris Poll last minute polling for Kerry was WRONG. They
>> were also within a 1/2% point margin of error in their 2000 final
>> poll.
>>
>>
>>
>>  4- The Incumbent Rule #I (that undecideds primarily break at the end
>> for the challenger)was WRONG.
>>
>>
>>
>>  5- The 50% Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent doesn't do better than
>> his final polling)
>>
>>
>>
>>  6- The Approval Rating Rule was WRONG (that an incumbent with less
>> than 50% approval will most likely lose the election)
>>
>>
>>
>>  7- That Journalist Greg Palast was WRONG when he said that even
>> before the election, 1 million votes were stolen from Kerry. He was
>> the ONLY reporter to break the fact that 90,000 Florida blacks were
>> disnfranchised in 2000.
>>
>>
>>
>>  8- That it was just a COINCIDENCE that the exit polls were CORRECT
>> where there WAS a PAPER TRAIL and INCORRECT (+5% for Bush) where
>> there was NO PAPER TRAIL.
>>
>>
>>
>>  9- That the surge in new young voters had NO positive effect for
>> Kerry, even though it was the largest number of youth voters 18-29
>> ever and a huge jump from 2000 and they were over 55% in favor of
>> Kerry.
>>
>>
>>
>>  10- That Bush BEAT 99-1 mathematical odds in winning the election.
>>
>>
>>
>>  11- That Kerry did WORSE than Gore against an opponent who LOST the
>> support of SCORES of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000.
>>
>>
>>
>>  12- That Bush did better than an 18 national poll average which
>> showed him tied with Kerry at 47. In other words, Bush got 80% of the
>> undecided vote to end up with a 51-48 majority - when ALL
>> professional pollsters agree that the undecided vote ALWAYS goes to
>> the challenger.
>>
>>
>>
>>  13- That Voting machines made by Republicans with no paper trail and
>> with no software publication, which have been proven by thousands of
>> computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were NOT
>> tampered with in this election.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Some Examples: (There are many more, but I won't list them all here
>> - this is to give you an idea)
>>
>>
>>
>>  - ?The City of Gahanna in Ohio discovered a discrepancy that gave
>> 4,000 votes to George Bush. After media scrutiny, city officials have
>> admitted to an electronic "glitch" that caused the problem.
>>
>>
>>  - ?In Broward County, FL, errors in software code caused a
>> referendum on gambling to be completely overturned. The error caused
>> totals to count backwards after reaching a ceiling of 32,500 votes.
>> The problem existed in the 2002 election as well however the issue
>> was never resolved by the manufacturer of the electronic voting
>> machine.
>>
>>
>>
>>  - ?In North Carolina, a Craven County district logged 11,283 more
>> votes than voters and actually overturned the results of a regional
>> race.
>>
>>
>>
>>  For more info, go to:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  http://www.blackboxvoting.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1106-30.htm
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  There are key people right now working behind the scenes on
>> this...but meanwhile, we the people at a a grassroots level need to
>> start making the corporate media pay attention to the "Real Story"
>> not the "Moral Values" headlines and stories being featured on the
>> news currently including the "Boy Genius - Karl Rove" Cover stories
>> on CNN and Fox. ?We need to support those that are pursuing this
>> issue to reveal the truth and get an inquiry going. ?If any of you
>> remember Michael Moore's movie Fahrenheit 9/11, you'll remember the
>> scene where the Black Congressional Caucus members stood up in a
>> joint session of Congress in 2000 and asked for a single Senator to
>> back them in an investigation of "Voter Fraud and
>> Disenfranchisement". ?Many who saw the film felt ashamed at that
>> moment and many didn't even know this had happened. ?Well, its
>> happening all over again....History has a funny way of repeating
>> itself if we don't pay attention and learn. ?Currently there are
>> several members of Congress and the House Judiciary Committee that
>> have requested ?the GAO (General Accounting Office) to implement an
>> inquiry into computer voting machine problems
>> (http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/
>> gaoinvestvote2004ltr11504.pdf).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  There are also folks across the country at the grassroots level
>> filing Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests to investigate
>> these problems immediately. ?One of the biggest driving individuals
>> behind this effort is a woman by the name of Bev Harris from Seattle,
>> WA. (her site is http://www.blackboxvoting.org). ?I became familiar
>> with Bev Harris when I saw her on MSNBC give a demonstration to
>> Howard Dean on how easy it was to "hack" the central tabulator
>> computer for these computer voting systems and change the results.
>> ?She did it in less than 2 minutes and in a way that no one
>> monitoring the system could tell. ?I later saw her demonstrate this
>> at a presentation here in Marin County this year. Sadly, no one
>> seemed to pay attention, including in the Democratic Party and now,
>> here we are after one of the biggest elections of our lifetime and
>> with problems surfacing all over the place with no answers or
>> accountability. Worse is that no one is covering what is perhaps the
>> biggest story of all - the fraud involved in this election.
>>
>>
>>
>>  This is not the "Dems" being sore losers...this is real stuff folks.
>> ?Real problems. ?If this issue and fraud isn't addressed, our
>> democracy and our votes in the future are dead. Won't even be a point
>> in voting.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Kerry On fellow Patriotic Americans for Democracy
>>
>>
>>
>>  Namaste
>>
>>
>>
>>  Stefanie
>>
>>
>> "A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over,
>> their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight,
>> restore their government to its true principles.
>>
>>  It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit,
>> and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous
>> public debt......If the game runs sometimes against us at home we
>> must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an
>> opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is
>> a game where principles are at stake."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Thomas Jefferson, 1798, after the passage of the Sedition Act.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Johanna Courtleigh, MA, LPC
> Licensed Professional Counselor
> e-mail: johanna@jcourtleigh.com
> website: www.johannacourtleigh.com
> phone: (503) 684-8481
>
> "I do not allow myself to be overcome by hopelessness, no matter how
> tough the situation. I believe that if you just do your little bit
> without thinking of the bigness of what you stand against, if you turn
> to the enlargement of your own capacities, just that in itself creates
> new potential."
> Vandana Shiva, India Activist and Author
>
>
Johanna Courtleigh, MA, LPC
Licensed Professional Counselor
e-mail: johanna@jcourtleigh.com
website: www.johannacourtleigh.com
phone: (503) 684-8481

"I do not allow myself to be overcome by hopelessness, no matter how
tough the situation. I believe that if you just do your little bit
without thinking of the bigness of what you stand against, if you turn
to the enlargement of your own capacities, just that in itself creates
new potential."
Vandana Shiva, India Activist and Author


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From ace at aceross.com  Thu Nov 11 09:20:49 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Thu Nov 11 14:30:21 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election
In-Reply-To: <BDB904E6.1B23A%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20041111172030.F3AB1396304@gw01-bur.mroute.net>

 
This link is not working

http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

There is a push to get the vote investigated.  There is a lot of
irregularities in the vote.  If there is fraud found Kerry will take back
his concession. 

Please sign this petition.  In Ohio Kerry is only 158,000 votes off and
there are 166,000 votes not counted not counting the overseas votes and
soldiers votes.  Kerry Camp has 17,000 lawyers looking into countless
reports of voter fraud, turnaways, intimidation.  Please let our voices be
heard.  Just go to this site and fill out the blanks and hit submit.
just a few seconds of your time could change history. 
Please send this to any one you know that would sign it.

http://www.petitiononline.com/uselect/petition.html




From grapefruit at musicineurope.org  Thu Nov 11 17:48:10 2004
From: grapefruit at musicineurope.org (Ernest Santiago)
Date: Thu Nov 11 17:55:09 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Market Newsletter 11-2004
Message-ID: <APLLic1Z5.bMTluGOhVI2@afterword3.musicineurope.org>

Do those plumbers always remember jumping?
Doesn't Sarah remember shouting slowly?
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Fri Nov 12 23:42:47 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 12 23:43:18 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] hi tribe
Message-ID: <97.52540561.2ec714f7@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/11/04 01:10:56 PM, cararobindesign@hotmail.com writes:


> Since I'm going there Monday shall I check out available villas for
> you???!!!? xoC
> 

Yes please, and what is the best part of Tuscany?   Near the sea and with 
good views for painting..
Need to be within walking or bicycle distance from a marketplace.   
Electricity and running water are a plus!!LOL!
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sat Nov 13 01:03:22 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 13 01:03:56 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election
Message-ID: <b8.666646c4.2ec727da@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/11/04 12:07:34 PM, cararobindesign@hotmail.com writes:


> We said this last time around - we make a big noise but nothing happens. 
> The
> fraud goes on, no one is held accountable and Bush is elected for a second
> term. We have huge on-line support but for what? Who said "cheaters never
> prosper"?
> 

He was never "elected" for a first term Carissima. He was "appointed"...   

Depends upon your definition of prosper.  
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sat Nov 13 01:06:22 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 13 01:06:55 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Voting in Florida
Message-ID: <1cd.2c9d5bc1.2ec7288e@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/11/04 12:37:26 PM, cararobindesign@hotmail.com writes:


> Sharamia,
> When are you back in town again?
> xo C
> 

I am in town!! I am just in a different town!!LOL!... Who knows?   I love it 
here..   It is peaceful and quiet and no stress... and I have been gifted with 
a Native American flute..   So I need to stay here and learn the song the 
salmon sings.   You all will have to come up here for the next HAiR reunion!   
Unless of course I have moved to Tuscany by then..
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Nov 13 07:03:36 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Nov 13 07:04:07 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election
References: <b8.666646c4.2ec727da@aol.com>
Message-ID: <018901c4c991$f3d63840$85426c42@hotprojects>

i do think whats even more frightening
is that there are a great deal of americans who believe as bush and his cronies do
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: SharmagneS@aol.com 
  To: cararobindesign@hotmail.com ; mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election



  In a message dated 11/11/04 12:07:34 PM, cararobindesign@hotmail.com writes:



    We said this last time around - we make a big noise but nothing happens. The
    fraud goes on, no one is held accountable and Bush is elected for a second
    term. We have huge on-line support but for what? Who said "cheaters never
    prosper"?



  He was never "elected" for a first term Carissima. He was "appointed"...  

  Depends upon your definition of prosper.  


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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Nov 13 17:13:59 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Nov 13 14:11:46 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Galt's Concert
Message-ID: <BDBBF157.1B350%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Galt had a sold out concert at Carnegie Hall. It was super. Nice to hear
some HAIR songs.
His new stuff some of the best music I have heard in a long time.
Spoke with Tom O'Horgan who is looking well. Saw Barry Primus.
Michael

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Nov 13 15:32:02 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Nov 13 15:32:34 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Galt's Concert
References: <BDBBF157.1B350%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c4c9d8$fa644250$85426c42@hotprojects>

galt is brilliant no question
good good to hear you concur on tom
in a business that often does not bring pleasant suprises
finding tom good and ready to go was a nice one

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:13 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Galt's Concert


> Galt had a sold out concert at Carnegie Hall. It was super. Nice to hear
> some HAIR songs.
> His new stuff some of the best music I have heard in a long time.
> Spoke with Tom O'Horgan who is looking well. Saw Barry Primus.
> Michael
> 
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From michael at intrafi.com  Sun Nov 14 07:07:32 2004
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sun Nov 14 07:08:07 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Gates vs. Jobs: The Rematch 
Message-ID: <20041114150732.DCC923504F@web38t.prvt.nytimes.com>

The article below from NYTimes.com 
has been sent to you by michael@intrafi.com.



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Apple's Steve Jobs must do what he has failed to do in the
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From michael at intrafi.com  Sun Nov 14 07:08:20 2004
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sun Nov 14 07:08:51 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Frank Rich: On 'Moral Values,
	' It's Blue in a Landslide 
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November 14, 2004
 


There's only one problem with the storyline proclaiming that
the country swung to the right on cultural issues in 2004.
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From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sun Nov 14 07:13:00 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Editorial: Saving 'Saving Private
	Ryan' 
Message-ID: <20041114151226.E573084BD@web39t.prvt.nytimes.com>

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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov 14 08:45:11 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 14 08:45:50 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tell Congress to Investigate the 2004 Election
Message-ID: <9.371cf24e.2ec8e597@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/13/04 09:03:48 AM, hotprojects@nyc.rr.com writes:


> 
> i do think whats even more frightening
> 
>  is that there are a great deal of americans who believe as bush and his 
> cronies do
> 
> 

it is not frightening it is terrifying!!!!!!
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Sun Nov 14 12:02:50 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 14 12:03:35 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Galt's Concert
Message-ID: <1e0.2f471882.2ec913ea@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/13/04 05:32:52 PM, hotprojects@nyc.rr.com writes:


> Saw Barry Primus.
> > Michael
> 

Wow Ghosts from the past!   Barry Primus played one of my favourite 
characters from a novel, in a bad movie adaptation of Been Down So Long It Looks Like 
Up, by Richard Fari?a.   The character was Gnosis.. styled after Richard. Other 
characters in the book were Heffalump who was Bruce Langhorne the 
percussionist/studio guitarist...And Kirsten Dickie's GF before he married Mimi Baez.   
Richard wrote such memorable songs as;
House Un-American Blues Activity Dream
Birmingham Sunday ( about the bombing of the church in Alabama)
Pack Up Your Sorrows ( with Pauline Mardin)
Raven Girl
A Swallow Song
Reflections in a Crystal Wind
etc.

Dickie died in a motorcycle accident, two days after his first novel was 
published on Mimi's 21st birthday.  Richard and Mimi Farina Website / Richard 
Farina / Mimi Baez Farina
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From bev at beverlybremers.com  Sun Nov 14 18:49:00 2004
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Sun Nov 14 18:49:35 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] hi tribe
Message-ID: <20041115024900.87F9D2F976@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>

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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 14 19:52:33 2004
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Sun Nov 14 19:54:54 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] hi tribe
Message-ID: <BAY20-F24T1FM1JOMyQ0004b976@hotmail.com>

Will do!!  I'll be in touch when I get back with my scarves...can't believe 
the reaction to them...was at a wedding this weekend and two more women 
ordered them, plus a woman on the plane to San Francisco! What a stroke of 
luck to have found them my last trip to Italy. Ciao amore, Cara

From: "Beverly Bremers" <bev@beverlybremers.com>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] hi tribe
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:49:00 -0800

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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Mon Nov 15 07:56:34 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 15 07:57:22 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] hi tribe
Message-ID: <76.463aa081.2eca2bb2@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/14/04 09:54:45 PM, cararobindesign@hotmail.com writes:


> Will do!!? I'll be in touch when I get back with my scarves...can't believe
> the reaction to them...was at a wedding this weekend and two more women
> ordered them, plus a woman on the plane to San Francisco! What a stroke of
> luck to have found them my last trip to Italy. Ciao amore, Cara
> 
> 

Now see if you were really smart you'd bring one for me and Beverly to "wear" 
and we could take orders too! and send them to you!   <smile>
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Mon Nov 15 08:08:50 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 15 10:58:06 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Demand a re-count...Demand an Investigation..It is our
	right...
Message-ID: <1da.2f5df25b.2eca2e92@aol.com>

Here is the definitive summary of Voter Fraud and what we can do?
about it.?

Note: This entire message is posted online at?
 http://www.WantToKnow.info/electionsproblems
?
> Dear friends,
?
> There is no shortage of news about mishaps, cover-ups, and even fraud?
> in the recent elections. Below are quick summaries of a number of?
> excellent articles with links for those who would like to read the?
> entire article. Read also about key members of Congress who have?
> demanded an investigation. And at the end of this message, you will?
> find links to two excellent petitions demanding more responsibility?
> and accountability in our elections. Please take the time to sign?
> these important petitions?and pass this information on to your friends?
> and colleagues.
>
> ?
>
> MSNBC - The best reporting by far in the mainstream media has been?by?
> MSNBC's Keith Olbermann. Both on TV and?on his blog, Mr. Olbermann is?
> asking serious questions. He is even asking why other major media?
> aren't reporting many of these sensational stories. His most excellent?
> blog gives continual updates of recent developments in the elections?
> scandals. Here are a few key quotes from three of the entries there:
>
> ?
>
> Nov. 7,?6:55 p.m. "Officials in Warren County, Ohio, ?locked down? its?
> administration building to prevent anybody from observing the vote?
> count there....Emergency Services Director Frank Young explained that?
> he had been advised by the federal government to implement the?
> measures for the sake of Homeland Security." "The majority of the?
> media has yet to touch the other stories of Ohio (the amazing Bush?
> Times Ten voting machine in Gahanna) or huge margins for Bush in?
> Florida counties in which registered Democrats outnumber registered?
> Republicans 2-1."
>
>? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240 (scroll down to find this date?
> and time in the blog)
>
> ?
>
> Nov. 9, 12:55 a.m. "....the remarkable results out of Cuyahoga County,?
> Ohio. In 29 precincts there, the County?s website shows, we had the?
> most unexpected results in years: more votes than voters. I?ll repeat?
> that: more votes than voters. 93,000 more votes than voters." (more on?
> this below)
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240
>
> ?
>
> November 10, 12:43 p.m.?"The computerized balloting in North Carolina?
> is so thoroughly messed up that all state-wide voting may be thrown?
> out and a second election day scheduled."
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240
>
> ?
>
> WOWT/NBC (Nebraska)?- "Sarpy County election officials are trying to?
> figure out how they ended up with more votes than voters in the?
> general election.?Sarpy County borrowed the election equipment from?
> Omaha-based Election Systems & Software. Its employees operated the?
> machines that are now double-checking the ballots. No one is sure?
> exactly what went wrong."
>
> http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html
>
> ?
>
> Sun Journal?- A North Carolina?newspaper reports that "a systems?
> software glitch in Craven County's electronic voting equipment is?
> being blamed for a vote miscount that ... swelled the number of votes?
> for president here by 11,283 more votes than the total number cast."?
>
> http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/
> Details.cfm&StoryID=18297&Section=Local
>
> ?
>
> Associated Press/USA Today - "There were also several dozen voters in?
> six states?who said the wrong candidates appeared on their?
> touch-screen machine's checkout screen."
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/evoting/2004-11-04-e-
> voting-error-nc_x.htm
>
> ?
>
> Palm Beach Post (Florida) -?"Early Thursday, as Broward County?
> elections officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes,?
> something unusual caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes?
> are counted. That's simple math. But in some races, the numbers had?
> gone .?.?. down. Officials found the software used in Broward can?
> handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, the system starts?
> counting backward."
> http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epaper/2004/11/05/
> a29a_BROWVOTE_1105.html?
>
> ?
>
> New York Times - In mid-August 2003, Walden W. O'Dell, the chief?
> executive of Diebold, wrote a letter inviting 100 wealthy friends to a?
> fund-raiser at his home in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio. He wrote, "I am?
> committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president?
> next year." A longtime Republican, he is a member of President Bush's?
> "Rangers and Pioneers,'' an elite group of loyalists who have raised?
> at least $100,000 each for the 2004 race.?Through Diebold Election?
> Systems,?Mr. O'Dell's?company is among the country's biggest suppliers?
> of paperless, touch-screen voting machines.
>
> http://www.WantToknow.info/031109nytimes (article became pay for view?
> shortly after elections)
>
> ?
>
> Project Censored (Excellent university website exposing media?
> cover-ups): "ES&S, Diebold, and Sequoia are the companies primarily?
> involved in implementing the new, often faulty, technology at voting?
> stations throughout the country. All three have strong ties to the?
> Bush Administration along with major defense contractors in the United?
> States. Some of the most generous contributors to Republican campaigns?
> are also some of the largest investors in ES&S, Sequoia, and Diebold.?
> Most notable of these are government defense contractors?
> Northrup-Grumman, Lockheed-Martin, Electronic Data Systems."
>
> http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/6.html
>
> ?
>
> USA Today -?The three companies that certify the nation's voting?
> technologies operate in secrecy, and refuse to discuss flaws in the?
> machines to be used by nearly one in three voters in November. Federal?
> regulators have virtually no oversight over testing of the technology.?
> Michael Shamos, a Carnegie Mellon computer scientist and electronic?
> voting expert, told lawmakers in Washington, D.C. "I?find it grotesque?
> that an organization charged with such a heavy responsibility feels no?
> obligation to explain to anyone what it is doing." The system for?
> "testing and certifying voting equipment in this country is not only?
> broken, but is virtually nonexistent," Shamos added.
>
>??
> http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/evoting/2004-08-23-low-
> evote-scrutiny_x.htm
>
> ?
>
> Cuyahoga County, Ohio, Board of Elections Website - 29 precincts in?
> Cuyahoga County, Ohio, reported votes cast?above?the number of?
> registered voters - 93,136 extra votes total. And the numbers are on?
> the official Cuyahoga County Board of Elections website below. To?
> verify the discrepancies, first look at the number of?registered?
> voters for the below?precincts, then scroll down to the number of?
> ballots cast for the precinct. In particular, compare the numbers for?
> the precincts listed below.
>
> http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm
>
> Bay Village - 13,710 registered voters / 18,663 ballots cast
>? Beachwood - 9,943 registered voters / 13,939 ballots cast
>? Bedford - 9,942 registered voters / 14,465 ballots cast
>? Bedford Heights - 8,142 registered voters / 13,512 ballots cast
>? Brooklyn - 8,016 registered voters / 12,303 ballots cast
>? Brooklyn Heights - 1,144 registered voters / 1,869 ballots cast
>? Chagrin Falls Village - 3,557 registered voters / 4,860 ballots cast
>? Cuyahoga Heights - 570 registered voters / 1,382 ballots cast
>? Fairview Park - 13,342 registered voters / 18,472 ballots cast
>? Highland Hills Village - 760 registered voters / 8,822 ballots cast
>? Independence - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
> Mayfield Village - 2,764 registered voters / 3,145 ballots cast
> Middleburg Heights - 12,173 registered voters / 14,854 ballots cast
> Moreland Hills Village - 2,990 registered voters / 4,616 ballots cast
> North Olmstead - 25,794 registered voters / 25,887 ballots cast
> Olmstead Falls - 6,538 registered voters / 7,328 ballots cast
> Pepper Pike - 5,131 registered voters / 6,479 ballots cast
> Rocky River - 16,600 registered voters / 20,070 ballots cast
> Solon (WD6) - 2,292 registered voters / 4,300 ballots cast
> South Euclid - 16,902 registered voters / 16,917 ballots cast
> Strongsville (WD3) - 7,806 registered voters / 12,108 ballots cast
> University Heights - 10,072 registered voters / 11,982 ballots cast
> Valley View Village - 1,787 registered voters / 3,409 ballots cast
> Warrensville Heights - 10,562 registered voters / 15,039 ballots cast
> Woodmere Village - 558 registered voters / 8,854 ballots cast
> Bedford (CSD) - 22,777 registered voters / 27,856 ballots cast
> Independence (LSD) - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
> Orange (CSD) - 11,640 registered voters / 22,931 ballots cast
> Warrensville (CSD) - 12,218 registered voters / 15,822 ballots cast
>
> ?
>
> Michigan City News-Dispatch? - In LaPorte County, Indiana, a?
> Democratic stronghold, electronic voting machines decided that each?
> precinct only had 300 voters. "At about 7 p.m. Tuesday," according to?
> this report, "it was noticed that the first two or three printouts?
> from individual precinct reports all listed an identical number of?
> voters. Each precinct was listed as having 300 registered voters. That?
> means the total number of voters for the county would be 22,200,?
> although there are more than 79,000 registered voters."
>
> http://www.wanttoknow.info/041104newsdispatch?(article became pay for?
> view shortly after elections)
>
> ?
>
> Common Dreams (excellent news website) -?In Florida's counties using?
> results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central?
> tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - the results seem to?
> contain substantial anomalies.?In Baker County, for example, with?
> 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them?
> Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the?
> opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where?
> registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.?In Dixie County, with?
> 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15%?
> registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but?
> 4,433 voted for Bush.?The pattern repeats over and over again - but?
> only in the counties where optical scanners were used.
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm
>
> ?
>
> Popular Mechanics -?A team of former National Security Agency (NSA)?
> computer experts conducted?a weeklong exercise with six Diebold?
> machines and a server. According to team leader Michael Wertheimer,?
> the group uncovered "considerable security risks." They found that the?
> smart cards used to provide supervisors with access to the machines?
> could be easily hacked; the removable media containing voting?
> information was protected by flimsy locks that the team picked in?
> under a minute using bent paper clips. The paper clips weren't even?
> necessary, since all 32,000 keys supplied by Diebold for the machines?
> are identical, allowing any key to open all of the machines. On the?
> software side, the most glaring weakness was in election headquarters?
> servers: Dell PCs ran the Windows 2000 operating system without?
> Microsoft's security upgrade patches, which left servers susceptible?
> to viruses and worms, enabling a remote attacker to tamper with?
> election systems by phone."
>
> http://popularmechanics.com/science/research/2004/11/hack_the_vote/
> index3.phtml?(pg 3 of 4 webpages)
>
> ?
>
> Popular Science - In South Carolina, officials bought machines too?
> late for adequate testing. And on many of their onscreen ballots, the?
> presidential contest included names of candidates from local?
> elections. Several Texas counties are thousands of votes short because?
> a bug in the software failed to record Spanish-language ballots.?For?
> hundreds of thousands of votes, there will be no paper record at?
> all.?In Colorado, a group of hackers is boasting that they stole a box?
> of electronic smartcards used to activate e-voting machines and?
> reprogrammed them to allow multiple votes, just for fun. In virtually?
> every state, officials failed to invite outside technical experts to?
> participate in the process of e-voting machine selection. Because none?
> of the major vendors of e-voting machines release their code for?
> security testing, states and counties are forced to trust vendors? own?
> assessments of their machines? reliability.
>
> http://www.popsci.com/popsci/generaltech/article/0,20967,714491
> -1,00.html?(3 web pages)
>
> ?
>
> House of Representatives Website? -?Representatives John Conyers,?
> Jerrold Nadler, and Robert Wexler, members of the House Judiciary?
> Committee, posted a letter on November 5th to David Walker,?
> Comptroller General of the U.S. The letter reads as follows: "We write?
> with an urgent request that the Government Accountability Office?
> immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting?
> machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election?
> officials responded to difficulties they encountered and what we can?
> do in the future to improve our election systems and administration."
>
>??
> http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/
> gaoinvestvote2004ltr11504...pdf
>
> ?
>
> What You Can Do. For starters, you can email your support to the above?
> three members of Congress?
> at?http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=18055?
> There are also?two excellent petitions demanding an investigation?
> which you can sign on the Internet. The first already had 26,000?
> signatures as of 4:00 p.m. November 11th. The second, posted by?
> MoveOn.org?doesn't list numbers who have signed,?though their?
> membership numbers nearly?3 million.
>
> http://www.PetitionOnline.com/uselect/petition.html?
>
> http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/
>
> ?
>
> In addition to these petitions, visit websites covering the elections?
> mess. They?provide ideas on other actions you can take. Two of the?
> best such websites are:
>
> http://www.blackboxvoting.org
>
> http://www.votescam.com?
>
> ?
>
> We also highly recommend the excellent 30-minute?documentary available?
> for free viewing?at http://www.votergate.tv/?though they are having?
> problems because of the extremely high number of people wanting to?
> watch this incredible documentary. And if you haven't seen our first?
> posting on this topic, take a look at?
> http://www.wanttoknow.info/electronicvoting? It is well worth reading.
>
>? ?
> For reliable, verifiable information on other major cover-ups which?
> directly affect our democracy, see www.WantToKnow.info The?
> WantToKnow.info team is a group of dedicated researchers from around?
> the world who?are deeply committed to revealing critical information?
> being hidden from the public,?and to designing ways that we can work?
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> average), send an email to wecare@wanttoknow.info Together, we can and?
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>
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> ?
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Nov 16 05:51:50 2004
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Tue Nov 16 05:52:34 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.
Message-ID: <004701c4cbe3$6c752dd0$d0022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>


Hey folks

If any of you are in the Memphis area Sat. nite ( Nov.20th) I will be doing a concert with a bunch of other oldie acts ( please see link below), should be a fun time. Suzie & I are leaving Thurs. so I can do some local radio & TV promotion for the show also the promoter is taking us to Graceland & Beal street. 

Love forever
Robin 



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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Nov 16 11:12:28 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Nov 16 08:10:24 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.
In-Reply-To: <004701c4cbe3$6c752dd0$d0022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>
Message-ID: <BDBF911C.1B462%michael@michaelbutler.com>

BREAK A LEG!!!
Peace and Love,
Michael

> 
> Hey folks
> 
> If any of you are in the Memphis area Sat. nite ( Nov.20th) I will be doing a
> concert with a bunch of other oldie acts ( please see link below), should be a
> fun time. Suzie & I are leaving Thurs. so I can do some local radio & TV
> promotion for the show also the promoter is taking us to Graceland & Beal
> street. 
> 
> Love forever
> Robin 
> 
> 
> 
> http://lpintop.tripod.com/robinmcnamara/
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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 16 10:34:30 2004
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Tue Nov 16 10:35:13 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.
In-Reply-To: <004701c4cbe3$6c752dd0$d0022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>
Message-ID: <20041116183430.61634.qmail@web53410.mail.yahoo.com>

Hey Robin. Have a great show. Wish I could be there.
 
Peace, love and blessings ~ Jonathon

Robin McNamara <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
 
Hey folks
 
If any of you are in the Memphis area Sat. nite ( Nov.20th) I will be doing a concert with a bunch of other oldie acts ( please see link below), should be a fun time. Suzie & I are leaving Thurs. so I can do some local radio & TV promotion for the show also the promoter is taking us to Graceland & Beal street. 
 
Love forever
Robin 
 
 
 
http://lpintop.tripod.com/robinmcnamara/
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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Tue Nov 16 15:32:10 2004
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Tue Nov 16 15:31:32 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Concert in Tenn.
References: <200411162000.iAGK05bI024424@dune>
Message-ID: <002f01c4cc34$7ea62580$6401a8c0@f1n9i3>

Keep on rocking Robin and break a leg my brother. Sounds like a great scene.

PEACE,
Leo

> From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn


> Hey folks
>
> If any of you are in the Memphis area Sat. nite ( Nov.20th) I will be
doing a concert with a bunch of other oldie acts ( please see link below),
should be a fun time. Suzie & I are leaving Thurs. so I can do some local
radio & TV promotion for the show also the promoter is taking us to
Graceland & Beal street.
>
> Love forever
> Robin

From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 16 17:36:05 2004
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Tue Nov 16 17:37:45 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.
Message-ID: <BAY20-F4058EMJmAkxW00032294@hotmail.com>

I wish I could be there. It would be so great to see you perform again. 
Break a leg! I'll be there in spirit!

Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html




>From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: <mb-civic@islandemail.com>, <mb-hair@islandemail.com>
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.
>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:51:50 -0500
>
>
>Hey folks
>
>If any of you are in the Memphis area Sat. nite ( Nov.20th) I will be doing 
>a concert with a bunch of other oldie acts ( please see link below), should 
>be a fun time. Suzie & I are leaving Thurs. so I can do some local radio & 
>TV promotion for the show also the promoter is taking us to Graceland & 
>Beal street.
>
>Love forever
>Robin
>
>
>
>http://lpintop.tripod.com/robinmcnamara/
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Tue Nov 16 17:48:49 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 16 17:49:38 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Wisdom of Mencken
Message-ID: <65.38828e92.2ecc0801@aol.com>

 Wisdom of Mencken

?

? "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents,

? more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and

? glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's

? desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright

? moron."

?

? H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Tue Nov 16 17:53:48 2004
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Tue Nov 16 17:55:15 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.
References: <BAY20-F4058EMJmAkxW00032294@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901c4cc48$6307e570$d0022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>

Nina, Michael, Jonathan & Leo thanks so much for all your well wishes. :)

Love forever
Robin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.


>I wish I could be there. It would be so great to see you perform again. 
>Break a leg! I'll be there in spirit!
>
> Love,
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com>
>>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>To: <mb-civic@islandemail.com>, <mb-hair@islandemail.com>
>>Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.
>>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 08:51:50 -0500
>>
>>
>>Hey folks
>>
>>If any of you are in the Memphis area Sat. nite ( Nov.20th) I will be 
>>doing a concert with a bunch of other oldie acts ( please see link below), 
>>should be a fun time. Suzie & I are leaving Thurs. so I can do some local 
>>radio & TV promotion for the show also the promoter is taking us to 
>>Graceland & Beal street.
>>
>>Love forever
>>Robin
>>
>>
>>
>>http://lpintop.tripod.com/robinmcnamara/
>>_______________________________________________
>>Mb-hair mailing list
>>Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Tue Nov 16 18:07:28 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 16 18:08:16 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.
Message-ID: <e3.6b12510.2ecc0c60@aol.com>


In a message dated 11/16/04 07:54:46 PM, olhippie@tampabay.rr.com writes:


> Nina, Michael, Jonathan & Leo thanks so much for all your well wishes. :)
> 
> Love forever
> Robin
> 

You don't have to reply but add me to the list!! <smile>
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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 16 18:20:11 2004
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Tue Nov 16 18:20:57 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Wisdom of Mencken
In-Reply-To: <65.38828e92.2ecc0801@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20041117022011.62931.qmail@web53402.mail.yahoo.com>

Oh my God....did he peg it right on or what? Thanks for sharing Sharmagne.
 
Love ~ Jonathon

SharmagneS@aol.com wrote:
Wisdom of Mencken

 

  "As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents,

  more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and

  glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's

  desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright

  moron."

 

  H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Nov 16 20:41:13 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Nov 16 20:42:02 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.
References: <BDBF911C.1B462%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <015801c4cc5f$ab17f550$30466c42@hotprojects>

break a leg robin
hope the concert is super
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.


> BREAK A LEG!!!
> Peace and Love,
> Michael
>
> >
> > Hey folks
> >
> > If any of you are in the Memphis area Sat. nite ( Nov.20th) I will be
doing a
> > concert with a bunch of other oldie acts ( please see link below),
should be a
> > fun time. Suzie & I are leaving Thurs. so I can do some local radio & TV
> > promotion for the show also the promoter is taking us to Graceland &
Beal
> > street.
> >
> > Love forever
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> > http://lpintop.tripod.com/robinmcnamara/
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Nov 17 10:53:43 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Nov 17 07:51:39 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] By Benjamin Quinto
Message-ID: <BDC0DE37.1B4FF%michael@michaelbutler.com>

When in the pious man's rage,
he destroys everything for naught
but the wants of base men--
such conflicts ravage the world
and the souls of all men in it.
Such a foreboding 
to paradise lost...

when from the mouths of babes
comes not the truth
but cries of despair--
a forgotten child,
as it were we had lost the child
in our own heart.
What infant hopes remain
for the future?
 
how heaven does at last rest
distant on the horizon's edge
possibility paving the way before it, but lost, a fading choice
become painfully obvious
as the setting sun vanishes
a last time.
 
may04

From bev at beverlybremers.com  Wed Nov 17 13:21:32 2004
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Wed Nov 17 13:22:18 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Concert In Tenn.
Message-ID: <20041117212132.8F730109940@ws6-4.us4.outblaze.com>

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From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 17 16:57:10 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] By Benjamin Quinto
Message-ID: <a3.67e3ee03.2ecd4d31@aol.com>

"I've seen them face the rifles with their songs"


Quill & Parchment: Greenwood
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Wed Nov 17 19:32:23 2004
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Wed Nov 17 19:33:13 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Thanks
Message-ID: <000601c4cd1f$37a4e450$d0022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>


Thanks so much Sharmagne, Beverley & Richard. :)

Love forever
Robin



http://lpintop.tripod.com/robinmcnamara/
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From michael at intrafi.com  Thu Nov 18 06:46:45 2004
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Nov 18 06:47:50 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Frank Rich: Bono's New Casualty:
	'Private Ryan' 
Message-ID: <20041118144645.27E2C3505F@web38t.prvt.nytimes.com>

The article below from NYTimes.com 
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Thu Nov 18 20:20:53 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 18 20:21:50 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] California Letter to President
Message-ID: <54.37bb0c26.2ececea5@aol.com>


Dear President Bush:

Congratulations on your victory over all us non-evangelicals. Actually,
we're a bit ticked off here in California, so we're leaving you.
California will now be its own country. And we're taking all the Blue States
with us.

In case you are not aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington,
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, all of the North East States,
and the urban half of Ohio.

We spoke to God, and she agrees that this split will be beneficial to
almost everybody, and especially to us in the new country of California. In
fact, God is so excited about it, she's going to shift the whole country at
4:30 pm EST this Friday. Therefore, please let everyone know they need to be
back in their states by then. God is going to give us the Pacific Ocean and
Hollywood. In addition, we're getting San Diego. (Sorry, that's just how
it goes.) But God is letting you have the KKK and country music (except the
Dixie Chicks).

? Just so we're clear, the country of California will be pro-choice, pro-gay
marriage, and anti-war. Speaking of war, we're going to need all Blue
States citizens back from Iraq. If you need people to fight in Fallujah,
just
ask your evangelical voters. They have tons of kids they're willing to send
to their deaths for absolutely no purpose. And they don't care if you don't
show pictures of their kids' caskets coming home.

So, you get Texas and all the former slave states, and we get the
Governator and stem cell research. (We would love you to take Britney Spears
off our? hands, though. She IS from the south, right?)

Since we get New York, you'll have to come up with your own late night
TV shows because we get MTV, Letterman, the Daily Show, and Conan O'Brien.
You? get... well, why don't you ask your people at Fox News to come up with
something entertaining? (Maybe you should just watch Crossfire. That's a
really funny show.)

We wish you all the best in the next four years and we hope, really
hope, you find those missing weapons of mass destruction. Seriously.? Soon.

Sincerely,
California
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From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Thu Nov 18 20:25:10 2004
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 18 20:26:01 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] California Letter to President
Message-ID: <e6.5d53dbc4.2ececfa6@aol.com>

Funny:)

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 18 20:27:05 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] the whole problem
Message-ID: <103.54ba2612.2ececfe5@aol.com>

 "The whole problem with the world is that fools & fanatics are
always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Fri Nov 19 01:51:47 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 19 01:52:44 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] STD alert
Message-ID: <1ab.2c06c0f7.2ecf1c33@aol.com>





Subject: STD Alert


?The Center for Disease Control in Atlanta has issued a warning about a new 
virulent strain of sexually transmitted disease.




 This disease is contracted through dangerous and high-risk behavior, and 
many citizens across the U.S. mysteriously and unexplainedly contracted the 
malady on Nov. 2nd; suspicions are that it was because so many people were in lines 
in close proximity to each other, but this is just a theory.

 The disease is called "Gonorrhea lecthim" (pronounced "gonna re-elect him").

 Many victims have contracted it after having been screwed by the Bush-Cheney 
administration for the past 4 years and failing to have taken adequate 
measures to protect themselves in voting booths.
 Please be careful. The only way to avoid infection is to have voted for 
Kerry. If you didn't, God help you. There's no cure.

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From barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net  Fri Nov 19 14:26:22 2004
From: barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Nov 19 14:27:22 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hello Alberto!
Message-ID: <7576-419E730E-993@storefull-3212.bay.webtv.net>

This cartoon is so true... "Click" below.

peace,
barbara

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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Fri Nov 19 15:26:19 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 19 15:27:19 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] comprehensive list/voter fraud sites
Message-ID: <1aa.2b9921f9.2ecfdb1b@aol.com>


Bay Village - 13,710 registered voters / 18,663 ballots cast
Beachwood - 9,943 registered voters / 13,939 ballots cast
Bedford - 9,942 registered voters / 14,465 ballots cast
Bedford Heights - 8,142 registered voters / 13,512 ballots cast
Brooklyn - 8,016 registered voters / 12,303 ballots cast
Brooklyn Heights - 1,144 registered voters / 1,869 ballots cast
Chagrin Falls Village - 3,557 registered voters / 4,860 ballots cast
Cuyahoga Heights - 570 registered voters / 1,382 ballots cast
Fairview Park - 13,342 registered voters / 18,472 ballots cast
Highland Hills Village - 760 registered voters / 8,822 ballots cast
Independence - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Mayfield Village - 2,764 registered voters / 3,145 ballots cast
Middleburg Heights - 12,173 registered voters / 14,854 ballots cast
Moreland Hills Village - 2,990 registered voters / 4,616 ballots cast
North Olmstead - 25,794 registered voters / 25,887 ballots cast
Olmstead Falls - 6,538 registered voters / 7,328 ballots cast
Pepper Pike - 5,131 registered voters / 6,479 ballots cast
Rocky River - 16,600 registered voters / 20,070 ballots cast
Solon (WD6) - 2,292 registered voters / 4,300 ballots cast
South Euclid - 16,902 registered voters / 16,917 ballots cast
Strongsville (WD3) - 7,806 registered voters / 12,108 ballots cast
University Heights - 10,072 registered voters / 11,982 ballots cast
Valley View Village - 1,787 registered voters / 3,409 ballots cast
Warrensville Heights - 10,562 registered voters / 15,039 ballots cast
Woodmere Village - 558 registered voters / 8,854 ballots cast
Bedford (CSD) - 22,777 registered voters / 27,856 ballots cast
Independence (LSD) - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Orange (CSD) - 11,640 registered voters / 22,931 ballots cast
Warrensville (CSD) - 12,218 registered voters / 15,822 ballots cast

MSNBC - The best reporting by far in the mainstream media has been by MSNBC's 
Keith Olbermann. Both on TV and on his blog, Mr. Olbermann is asking serious 
questions. He is even asking why other major media aren't reporting many of 
these sensational stories. His most excellent blog gives continual updates of 
recent developments in the elections scandals. Here are a few key quotes from 
three of the entries there:

Nov. 7, 6:55 p.m. "Officials in Warren County, Ohio, "locked down" its 
administration building to prevent anybody from observing the vote count 
there....Emergency Services Director Frank Young explained that he had been advised by 
the federal government to implement the measures for the sake of Homeland 
Security." "The majority of the media has yet to touch the other stories of Ohio 
(the amazing Bush Times Ten voting machine in Gahanna) or huge margins for Bush 
in Florida counties in which registered Democrats outnumber registered 
Republicans 2-1."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240 (scroll down to find this date and time 
in the blog)

Nov. 9, 12:55 a.m. "....the remarkable results out of Cuyahoga County, Ohio. 
In 29 precincts there, the County's website shows, we had the most unexpected 
results in years: more votes than voters. I'll repeat that: more votes than 
voters. 93,000 more votes than voters." (more on this below)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240

November 10, 12:43 p.m. "The computerized balloting in North Carolina is so 
thoroughly messed up that all state-wide voting may be thrown out and a second 
election day scheduled."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240

WOWT/NBC (Nebraska) - "Sarpy County election officials are trying to figure 
out how they ended up with more votes than voters in the general election. 
Sarpy County borrowed the election equipment from Omaha-based Election Systems & 
Software. Its employees operated the machines that are now double-checking the 
ballots. No one is sure exactly what went wrong."

http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html

Sun Journal - A North Carolina newspaper reports that "a systems software 
glitch in Craven County's electronic voting equipment is being blamed for a vote 
miscount that ... swelled the number of votes for president here by 11,283 
more votes than the total number cast."

http://www.newbernsj.com/SiteProcessor.cfm?Template=/GlobalTemplates/Details.c
fm&StoryID=18297&Section=Local

Associated Press/USA Today - "There were also several dozen voters in six 
states who said the wrong candidates appeared on their touch-screen machine's 
checkout screen."

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/evoting/2004-11-04-e-voting-error
-nc_x.htm

Palm Beach Post (Florida) - "Early Thursday, as Broward County elections 
officials wrapped up after a long day of canvassing votes, something unusual 
caught their eye. Tallies should go up as more votes are counted. That's simple 
math. But in some races, the numbers had gone . . . down. Officials found the 
software used in Broward can handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, 
the system starts counting backward."
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epaper/2004/11/05/a29a_BROW
VOTE_1105.html

New York Times - In mid-August 2003, Walden W. O'Dell, the chief executive of 
Diebold, wrote a letter inviting 100 wealthy friends to a fund-raiser at his 
home in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio. He wrote, "I am committed to helping Ohio 
deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." A longtime 
Republican, he is a member of President Bush's "Rangers and Pioneers,'' an elite group 
of loyalists who have raised at least $100,000 each for the 2004 race. Through 
Diebold Election Systems, Mr. O'Dell's company is among the country's biggest 
suppliers of paperless, touch-screen voting machines.

http://www.WantToknow.info/031109nytimes (article became pay for view shortly 
after elections)

Project Censored (Excellent university website exposing media cover-ups): "ES&
S, Diebold, and Sequoia are the companies primarily involved in implementing 
the new, often faulty, technology at voting stations throughout the country. 
All three have strong ties to the Bush Administration along with major defense 
contractors in the United States. Some of the most generous contributors to 
Republican campaigns are also some of the largest investors in ES&S, Sequoia, 
and Diebold. Most notable of these are government defense contractors 
Northrup-Grumman, Lockheed-Martin, Electronic Data Systems."

http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2005/6.html

USA Today - The three companies that certify the nation's voting technologies 
operate in secrecy, and refuse to discuss flaws in the machines to be used by 
nearly one in three voters in November. Federal regulators have virtually no 
oversight over testing of the technology. Michael Shamos, a Carnegie Mellon 
computer scientist and electronic voting expert, told lawmakers in Washington, 
D.C. "I find it grotesque that an organization charged with such a heavy 
responsibility feels no obligation to explain to anyone what it is doing." The 
system for "testing and certifying voting equipment in this country is not only 
broken, but is virtually nonexistent," Shamos added.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techpolicy/evoting/2004-08-23-low-evote-scru
tiny_x.htm

Cuyahoga County, Ohio, Board of Elections Website - 29 precincts in Cuyahoga 
County, Ohio, reported votes cast above the number of registered voters - 
93,136 extra votes total. And the numbers are on the official Cuyahoga County 
Board of Elections website below. To verify the discrepancies, first look at the 
number of registered voters for the below precincts, then scroll down to the 
number of ballots cast for the precinct. In particular, compare the numbers for 
the precincts listed below.

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm

Bay Village - 13,710 registered voters / 18,663 ballots cast
Beachwood - 9,943 registered voters / 13,939 ballots cast
Bedford - 9,942 registered voters / 14,465 ballots cast
Bedford Heights - 8,142 registered voters / 13,512 ballots cast
Brooklyn - 8,016 registered voters / 12,303 ballots cast
Brooklyn Heights - 1,144 registered voters / 1,869 ballots cast
Chagrin Falls Village - 3,557 registered voters / 4,860 ballots cast
Cuyahoga Heights - 570 registered voters / 1,382 ballots cast
Fairview Park - 13,342 registered voters / 18,472 ballots cast
Highland Hills Village - 760 registered voters / 8,822 ballots cast
Independence - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Mayfield Village - 2,764 registered voters / 3,145 ballots cast
Middleburg Heights - 12,173 registered voters / 14,854 ballots cast
Moreland Hills Village - 2,990 registered voters / 4,616 ballots cast
North Olmstead - 25,794 registered voters / 25,887 ballots cast
Olmstead Falls - 6,538 registered voters / 7,328 ballots cast
Pepper Pike - 5,131 registered voters / 6,479 ballots cast
Rocky River - 16,600 registered voters / 20,070 ballots cast
Solon (WD6) - 2,292 registered voters / 4,300 ballots cast
South Euclid - 16,902 registered voters / 16,917 ballots cast
Strongsville (WD3) - 7,806 registered voters / 12,108 ballots cast
University Heights - 10,072 registered voters / 11,982 ballots cast
Valley View Village - 1,787 registered voters / 3,409 ballots cast
Warrensville Heights - 10,562 registered voters / 15,039 ballots cast
Woodmere Village - 558 registered voters / 8,854 ballots cast
Bedford (CSD) - 22,777 registered voters / 27,856 ballots cast
Independence (LSD) - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Orange (CSD) - 11,640 registered voters / 22,931 ballots cast
Warrensville (CSD) - 12,218 registered voters / 15,822 ballots cast

Michigan City News-Dispatch - In LaPorte County, Indiana, a Democratic 
stronghold, electronic voting machines decided that each precinct only had 300 
voters. "At about 7 p.m. Tuesday," according to this report, "it was noticed that 
the first two or three printouts from individual precinct reports all listed an 
identical number of voters. Each precinct was listed as having 300 registered 
voters. That means the total number of voters for the county would be 22,200, 
although there are more than 79,000 registered voters."

http://www.wanttoknow.info/041104newsdispatch (article became pay for view 
shortly after elections)

Common Dreams (excellent news website) - In Florida's counties using results 
from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and 
thus vulnerable to hacking - the results seem to contain substantial anomalies. 
In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them 
Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 
7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where 
registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry. In Dixie County, with 4,988 
registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as 
Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush. The pattern 
repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners 
were used.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1106-30.htm

Popular Mechanics - A team of former National Security Agency (NSA) computer 
experts conducted a weeklong exercise with six Diebold machines and a server. 
According to team leader Michael Wertheimer, the group uncovered "considerable 
security risks." They found that the smart cards used to provide supervisors 
with access to the machines could be easily hacked; the removable media 
containing voting information was protected by flimsy locks that the team picked in 
under a minute using bent paper clips. The paper clips weren't even necessary, 
since all 32,000 keys supplied by Diebold for the machines are identical, 
allowing any key to open all of the machines. On the software side, the most 
glaring weakness was in election headquarters servers: Dell PCs ran the Windows 
2000 operating system without Microsoft's security upgrade patches, which left 
servers susceptible to viruses and worms, enabling a remote attacker to tamper 
with election systems by phone."

http://popularmechanics.com/science/research/2004/11/hack_the_vote/index3.phtm
l (pg 3 of 4 webpages)

Popular Science - In South Carolina, officials bought machines too late for 
adequate testing. And on many of their onscreen ballots, the presidential 
contest included names of candidates from local elections. Several Texas counties 
are thousands of votes short because a bug in the software failed to record 
Spanish-language ballots. For hundreds of thousands of votes, there will be no 
paper record at all. In Colorado, a group of hackers is boasting that they stole 
a box of electronic smartcards used to activate e-voting machines and 
reprogrammed them to allow multiple votes, just for fun. In virtually every state, 
officials failed to invite outside technical experts to participate in the 
process of e-voting machine selection. Because none of the major vendors of 
e-voting machines release their code for security testing, states and counties are 
forced to trust vendors' own assessments of their machines' reliability.

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/generaltech/article/0,20967,714491-1,00.html (3 
web pages)

House of Representatives Website - Representatives John Conyers, Jerrold 
Nadler, and Robert Wexler, members of the House Judiciary Committee, posted a 
letter on November 5th to David Walker, Comptroller General of the U.S. The letter 
reads as follows: "We write with an urgent request that the Government 
Accountability Office immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of 
voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election 
officials responded to difficulties they encountered and what we can do in the 
future to improve our election systems and administration."

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11504.pdf

What You Can Do. For starters, you can email your support to the above three 
members of Congress at 
http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=18055 There are also two excellent petitions demanding an investigation 
which you can sign on the Internet. The first already had 26,000 signatures as 
of 4:00 p.m. November 11th. The second, posted by MoveOn.org doesn't list 
numbers who have signed, though their membership numbers nearly 3 million.

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/uselect/petition.html

http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

In addition to these petitions, visit websites covering the elections mess. 
They provide ideas on other actions you can take. Two of the best such websites 
are:

http://www.blackboxvoting.org

http://www.votescam.com

We also highly recommend the excellent 30-minute documentary available for 
free viewing at http://www.votergate.tv/ though they are having problems because 
of the extremely high number of people wanting to watch this incredible 
documentary. And if you haven't seen our first posting on this topic, take a look 
at http://www.wanttoknow.info/electronicvoting? It is well worth reading.

For reliable, verifiable information on other major cover-ups which directly 
affect our democracy, see www.WantToKnow.info The WantToKnow.info team is a 
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From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sat Nov 20 08:27:18 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Breaking Ground With a Gay Movie
	Hero 
Message-ID: <20041120162621.AD1133504F@web38t.prvt.nytimes.com>

The article below from NYTimes.com 
has been sent to you by michael@intrafi.com.



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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Nov 21 11:28:07 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Nov 21 08:26:07 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tom O'Horgan
Message-ID: <BDC62C47.1B6B2%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Well Tribe, 
    I spent the afternoon with Tom. He is in pretty good shape. He is well
protected by Marc Cohen. They have built a small stage in the N W corner of
the loft and plan to a salon of readings. It was so good to see him. I was
shown a CV of his work-a thick book of details of every show. I have asked
for one for Nina's archives. Also saw a wonderful photo album from his
childhood background. We talked of HAIR. He was disappointed with the
treatment by Rado. 
    Also I did see Tom at Galt's Carnegie concert. He was in good form
there. He enjoyed the concert as much as I did, particularly Galt's new
work.
    I have invited Marc to subscribe to this list so you can, through him,
be in touch. I will advise if/when they do so.

Peace and Love

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Nov 21 09:05:52 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Nov 21 09:06:54 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tom O'Horgan; and why life is like lewis carroll
References: <BDC62C47.1B6B2%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c4cfec$5bc8e320$30466c42@hotprojects>

curious and curiouser
i too spent the afternoon with tom ohorgan on the very same day
and i too was very favorably impressed
both with tom ohorgan and the little stage
(  it makes one wonder exactly who is behind the arras at any given moment )
lol

jumping back into the projects
wait for an announcement of something big entertainmentwise people
jesus buddah allah jehovah willing
( im realing working the furnace room in metropolis for this one ladies and
gents )
hi marc
peace love morning of the age of aquarius

richard haase
constantly suprised by life
( going out to get that money and hit that homer )
( tickets for all you guys on all the opening nights; crossing fingers,
saying jesus while getting out kachinka dolls and thinking of buddha )
i love you guys; you are my heros and my teachers
no shit
r in nyc


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tom O'Horgan


> Well Tribe,
>     I spent the afternoon with Tom. He is in pretty good shape. He is well
> protected by Marc Cohen. They have built a small stage in the N W corner
of
> the loft and plan to a salon of readings. It was so good to see him. I was
> shown a CV of his work-a thick book of details of every show. I have asked
> for one for Nina's archives. Also saw a wonderful photo album from his
> childhood background. We talked of HAIR. He was disappointed with the
> treatment by Rado.
>     Also I did see Tom at Galt's Carnegie concert. He was in good form
> there. He enjoyed the concert as much as I did, particularly Galt's new
> work.
>     I have invited Marc to subscribe to this list so you can, through him,
> be in touch. I will advise if/when they do so.
>
> Peace and Love
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From venuetheatre at juno.com  Sun Nov 21 16:09:40 2004
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (Corinne Broskette)
Date: Sun Nov 21 16:23:17 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE:  Tom O'Horgan
Message-ID: <20041121.191840.3680.10.venuetheatre@juno.com>

I spent many days with Tom in NY when I was there in 2002, and yes he is
just wonderful.  
I am glad that Marc is back from Israel (where he was when I was there),
their e-mail has changed so I eagerly await being able to talk to them
again, and hope to see them when I go to NYC in the spring.

Hi everyone!

Love
Corinne
From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 22 09:14:15 2004
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Mon Nov 22 09:15:22 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] View From The Trenches: Media Consolidation
In-Reply-To: <BAY20-F2cuPwjnnh99R00016228@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041122171416.89200.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com>

A nicely written article from Drew Daniels who was in The New Christy Minstrels with me years back. Peace and blessings ~ Jonathon
 
----------------------------
October 27, 2004
VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES: MEDIA CONSOLIDATION
by Drew Daniels  (drewdaniels.com)

In 40 years of performing, producing and recording music, I have never seen worse times and a harder life for music, writers and performing artists than we are presently suffering.  The homogenization of radio programming, broadcasting and print media have virtually destroyed the American Dream for songwriters, composers and music performers.  What once was a landscape of limited opportunity is now a desert of hopelessness dominated by a few large media conglomerates that dictate American style and celebrity, promoting only very carefully risk averse manufactured pap, designed for maximum profit and minimum controversy.  Talent and merit in American popular culture have become so much more occasional and entirely accidental than ever before.

The days when a Bob Dylan could stir imagination to make people recall innate ethics and to think are gone.  Giant conservative--and in many cases, ultraconservative--corporations that desire millions of pliant consumers by coercing ghastly sociopolitical agendas now guarantee all the mindless, harmless and vapid filler flooding the airwaves, festering on store shelves and festooning billboards, that corporate America uses to hide our nation's troublesome thinkers and bury them in public obscurity.

The old adage "be careful what you wish for -- it might happen" should be the constant warning of alarm sounding in the minds of our government agencies chartered to assure public access and fair use of the precious resource of a free press and other media in the U.S.  Without access and fair use, the hegemony of corporate interests will, over time, foment greater seething dissent that has no outlet--no cultural safety valve, and the homogenization of thought, art and media will cause migration of artistic talent to greener pastures and rob America's economy of yet another of its great native resources and intellectual assets.

As an instructor of adult music and production students, I've seen spiraling desperation, dropping enrollments and a general sense that it's hopeless to try to make an artistic statement or contribution in America, against the juggernaut of corporate greed and avarice swallowing up the future of the arts in the U.S.  Not many struggling song writers can afford to gift radio station managers with Ferrari sports cars or month long trips to Hawaii.  The payola scams of the 60's persist with only simple name change and even more immodest extortion while partisan extremist Michael Powell and his FCC fete political contributors in lieu of doing their chartered duty.  A disgrace and a crime.

Before mass media, each musical artist or composer was their own promoter.  Everyone with merit or talent had what looks today, like a fairly even chance at making a living with their craft.  Today, without mass media to promote a particular artist, the best and brightest are condemned to practice anonymously, or to pander.  Most languish in the frustration of the endless insulting reminders from TV and radio, of lesser talents with larger access.

While the wealthy in America may buy influence, that fact has no bearing on whether such influence is deserved or wisely exercised.  Without a balance of the voices of Americans rich and poor, kitsch and talented, America's arts will wither and its voice will ring empty on the world stage.




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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Nov 24 15:43:20 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Nov 24 15:41:51 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] View From The Trenches: Media Consolidation
In-Reply-To: <20041122171416.89200.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDCA5C98.1B7E5%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Interesting thanks for sharing, sending on to Civic List.
Michael

> A nicely written article from Drew Daniels who was in The New Christy
> Minstrels with me years back. Peace and blessings ~ Jonathon
> 
> ----------------------------
> October 27, 2004
> VIEW FROM THE TRENCHES: MEDIA CONSOLIDATION
> by Drew Daniels  (drewdaniels.com)
> 
> In 40 years of performing, producing and recording music, I have never seen
> worse times and a harder life for music, writers and performing artists than
> we are presently suffering.  The homogenization of radio programming,
> broadcasting and print media have virtually destroyed the American Dream for
> songwriters, composers and music performers.  What once was a landscape of
> limited opportunity is now a desert of hopelessness dominated by a few large
> media conglomerates that dictate American style and celebrity, promoting only
> very carefully risk averse manufactured pap, designed for maximum profit and
> minimum controversy.  Talent and merit in American popular culture have become
> so much more occasional and entirely accidental than ever before.
> 
> The days when a Bob Dylan could stir imagination to make people recall innate
> ethics and to think are gone.  Giant conservative--and in many cases,
> ultraconservative--corporations that desire millions of pliant consumers by
> coercing ghastly sociopolitical agendas now guarantee all the mindless,
> harmless and vapid filler flooding the airwaves, festering on store shelves
> and festooning billboards, that corporate America uses to hide our nation's
> troublesome thinkers and bury them in public obscurity.
> 
> The old adage "be careful what you wish for -- it might happen" should be the
> constant warning of alarm sounding in the minds of our government agencies
> chartered to assure public access and fair use of the precious resource of a
> free press and other media in the U.S.  Without access and fair use, the
> hegemony of corporate interests will, over time, foment greater seething
> dissent that has no outlet--no cultural safety valve, and the homogenization
> of thought, art and media will cause migration of artistic talent to greener
> pastures and rob America's economy of yet another of its great native
> resources and intellectual assets.
> 
> As an instructor of adult music and production students, I've seen spiraling
> desperation, dropping enrollments and a general sense that it's hopeless to
> try to make an artistic statement or contribution in America, against the
> juggernaut of corporate greed and avarice swallowing up the future of the arts
> in the U.S.  Not many struggling song writers can afford to gift radio station
> managers with Ferrari sports cars or month long trips to Hawaii.  The payola
> scams of the 60's persist with only simple name change and even more immodest
> extortion while partisan extremist Michael Powell and his FCC fete political
> contributors in lieu of doing their chartered duty.  A disgrace and a crime.
> 
> Before mass media, each musical artist or composer was their own promoter.
> Everyone with merit or talent had what looks today, like a fairly even chance
> at making a living with their craft.  Today, without mass media to promote a
> particular artist, the best and brightest are condemned to practice
> anonymously, or to pander.  Most languish in the frustration of the endless
> insulting reminders from TV and radio, of lesser talents with larger access.
> 
> While the wealthy in America may buy influence, that fact has no bearing on
> whether such influence is deserved or wisely exercised.  Without a balance of
> the voices of Americans rich and poor, kitsch and talented, America's arts
> will wither and its voice will ring empty on the world stage.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Good HAIR Days: A Personal Journey with the American Tribal Love-Rock Musical
> HAIR, by Jonathon Johnson. For more information on the book and how to order
> it, visit www.goodhairdays.net. Visit our other websites at www.uversa.net and
> www.kidstherapyassociates.com.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ace at aceross.com  Wed Nov 24 17:43:35 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Wed Nov 24 17:44:52 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Thanksgiving
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Nov 24 17:46:30 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Thanksgiving
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Nov 24 18:00:06 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Nov 24 17:59:30 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Greetings
Message-ID: <BDCA7CA6.1B7EE%michael@michaelbutler.com>

HAPPY THANKSGIVING
PEACE AND LOVE
MICHAEL

From djbrook at hevanet.com  Wed Nov 24 15:09:14 2004
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Wed Nov 24 18:11:28 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Greetings
References: <BDCA7CA6.1B7EE%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <003901c4d27a$9e49db60$64153dc0@djb>

And this year, especially, everyone should cue up Arlo Guthrie doing
"Alice's Restaurant."  Get your kids to sing along.  Sad as it is that
Arlo's words seem even truer now than they did then, it'll still make you
feel better.  Remember, "ya gotta sing loud, if you wanna end war 'n
stuff..."!

Peace and blessings to all,
Doris

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>; "Civic"
<mb-civic@islandlists.com>; "Family" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:00 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Greetings


> HAPPY THANKSGIVING
> PEACE AND LOVE
> MICHAEL
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Nov 24 18:12:08 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Nov 24 18:13:21 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Greetings
References: <BDCA7CA6.1B7EE%michael@michaelbutler.com>
	<003901c4d27a$9e49db60$64153dc0@djb>
Message-ID: <001601c4d294$2ac0fce0$30466c42@hotprojects>

 we will doris
you guys ended the war in vietnam and got rid of nixon
this too shall pass god willing
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doris J. Brook" <djbrook@hevanet.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Greetings


> And this year, especially, everyone should cue up Arlo Guthrie doing
> "Alice's Restaurant."  Get your kids to sing along.  Sad as it is that
> Arlo's words seem even truer now than they did then, it'll still make you
> feel better.  Remember, "ya gotta sing loud, if you wanna end war 'n
> stuff..."!
> 
> Peace and blessings to all,
> Doris
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>; "Civic"
> <mb-civic@islandlists.com>; "Family" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:00 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Greetings
> 
> 
> > HAPPY THANKSGIVING
> > PEACE AND LOVE
> > MICHAEL
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
> 
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From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Wed Nov 24 18:18:58 2004
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 24 18:20:13 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <7d.5d305aa5.2ed69b12@aol.com>

I wish everyone a happy and safe Thanksgiving:)

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From bev at beverlybremers.com  Thu Nov 25 00:36:52 2004
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Thu Nov 25 00:38:05 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <20041125083652.E4D65EDBCB@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com>

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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 25 07:20:59 2004
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Thu Nov 25 07:22:14 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <BDCA5C98.1B7E5%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20041125152059.63188.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com>


Happy Thanksgiving everyone. 

Love, Peace and Blessings ~ Jonathon

 

 

Thanksgiving: The only day of the year when it's okay to give someone the bird.



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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Nov 25 07:46:50 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Nov 25 07:48:23 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Thanksgiving
References: <20041125083652.E4D65EDBCB@ws6-1.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <005301c4d305$fb080300$30466c42@hotprojects>

yes
and remember we are political
we are HAIR
you know?
not only do we need more productions of HAIR
we need more HAIRS new HAIRS the next HAIR(s)
ETC
( jumping back into the project kiln to make some )

all the best everyone
richard haase in nyc

hey sherwin vouch for me on this one because you saw it
you know what could be the next HAIR?
POLITICAL AND CONTRAVERSIAL????

PRESIDENT MACBETH
ACE DO AN OLD FRIEND A BIG FAVOR
TELL THEM ABOUT PRESIDENT MACBETH

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beverly Bremers 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 3:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Happy Thanksgiving


  Happy Thanksgiving to you too, Amy! And to all you very lovely people! 

  We have much to be thankful for, in spite of everything political.

  Beverly

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: LilacAmy11@aol.com
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Happy Thanksgiving
  Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:18:58 EST

  I wish everyone a happy and safe Thanksgiving:)

  - Amy

  "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. cummings

  "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the musical) 
  >
  > 
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Nov 25 10:44:35 2004
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Thu Nov 25 10:45:51 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Thanksgiving
References: <20041125152059.63188.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001401c4d31e$cfdd1a30$40022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>

Hey Tribe

A Happy Thanksgiving to all & to all sleep easy tonight :)

My love forever 
Robin



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jonathon Johnson 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 10:20 AM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Thanksgiving


    Happy Thanksgiving everyone. 

    Love, Peace and Blessings ~ Jonathon





    Thanksgiving: The only day of the year when it's okay to give someone the bird.




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From michael at intrafi.com  Thu Nov 25 11:22:55 2004
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Nov 25 11:24:16 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Frank Rich: The Great Indecency Hoax
Message-ID: <20041125192255.D463A84CF@web39t.prvt.nytimes.com>

The article below from NYTimes.com 
has been sent to you by michael@intrafi.com.



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SIDEWAYS - NOW PLAYING IN SELECT CITIES

An official selection of the New York Film Festival and the
Toronto International Film Festival, SIDEWAYS is the new
comedy from Alexander Payne, director of ELECTION and ABOUT
SCHMIDT.  Starring Paul Giamatti, Thomas Haden Church,
Sandra Oh and Virginia Madsen. Watch the trailer at:

http://www.foxsearchlight.com/sideways/index_nyt.html

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Frank Rich: The Great Indecency Hoax

November 28, 2004
 


 

OH, the poor, suffering little children. 

If we are to believe the outcry of the past two weeks,
America's youth have been defiled en masse - again. This
time the dirty deed was done by the actress Nicollette
Sheridan, who dropped her towel in the cheesy promotional
spot for the runaway hit "Desperate Housewives" that kicked
off "Monday Night Football" on ABC. "I wonder if Walt
Disney would be proud," said Michael Powell, the Federal
Communications Commission chairman who increasingly
fashions himself a commissar of all things cultural, from
nipple rings to "Son of Flubber." 

It's beginning to look a lot like "Groundhog Day." Ever
since 22 percent of the country's voters said on Nov. 2
that they cared most about "moral values," opportunistic
ayatollahs on the right have been working overtime to
inflate this nonmandate into a landslide by ginning up
cultural controversies that might induce censorship by a
compliant F.C.C. and, failing that, self-censorship by TV
networks. Seizing on a single overhyped poll result, they
exaggerate their clout, hoping to grab power over the
culture. 

The mainstream press, itself in love with the "moral
values" story line and traumatized by the visual
exaggerations of the red-blue map, is too cowed to
challenge the likes of the American Family Association. So
are politicians of both parties. It took a British
publication, The Economist, to point out that the
percentage of American voters citing moral and ethical
values as their prime concern is actually down from 2000
(35 percent) and 1996 (40 percent). 

To see how the hucksters of the right work their scam,
there could be no more illustrative example than the
"Monday Night Football" episode in which Ms. Sheridan
leaped into the arms of the Philadelphia Eagles wide
receiver Terrell Owens in order to give the declining
weekly game (viewership is down 3 percent from 2003) a shot
of Viagra. From the get-go, it was a manufactured scandal,
as over-the-top as a dinner theater production of "The
Crucible." 

Rush Limbaugh, taking a break from the legal deliberations
of his drug rap and third divorce, set the hysterical tone.
"I was stunned!" he told his listeners. "I literally could
not believe what I had seen. ... At various places on the
Net you can see the video of this, and she's buck naked,
folks. I mean when they dropped the towel she's naked. You
see enough of her back and rear end to know that she was
naked. There's no frontal nudity in the thing, but I mean
you don't need that. ...I mean, there are some guys with
their kids that sit down to watch 'Monday Night Football.'
" 

Yes, there are - some, anyway - but you wonder how many of
them were as upset as Mr. Limbaugh, whose imagination led
him to mistake a lower back for a rear end. (He also said
that the Sheridan-Owens encounter reminded him of the Kobe
Bryant case; let's not even go there.) The evidence
suggests that Mr. Limbaugh's prurient mind is the
exception, not the rule. Though seen nationwide, and as
early as 6 p.m. on the West Coast, the spot initially
caused so little stir that the next morning only two
newspapers in the country, both in Philadelphia, reported
on it. ABC's switchboards were not swamped by shocked
viewers on Monday night. A spokesman for ABC Sports told
The Philadelphia Inquirer that he hadn't received a single
phone call or e-mail in the immediate aftermath of the
broadcast. 

Even the stunned Mr. Limbaugh, curiously enough, didn't get
around to mounting his own diatribe until Wednesday. Mr.
Owens's agent, David Joseph, says that the flood of
complaints at his office and Mr. Owens's Web site also
didn't start until more than 24 hours after the incident -
late Tuesday and early Wednesday. Were any of these
complainants actual victims (or even viewers) of "Monday
Night Football" or were they just a mob assembled after the
fact by "family" groups, emboldened by their triumph in
smiting "Saving Private Ryan" from 66 ABC stations the week
before? Though the F.C.C. said on Wednesday that it had
received 50,000 complaints about the N.F.L. affair, it
couldn't determine how many of them were duplicates - the
kind generated by e-mail campaigns run by political
organizations posting form letters ready to be clicked into
cyberspace ad infinitum by anyone who has an index finger
and two seconds of idle time. 

Like the Janet Jackson video before it, the new N.F.L. sex
tape was now being rebroadcast around the clock so we could
revel incessantly in the shock of it all. "People were so
outraged they had to see it 10 times," joked Aaron Brown of
CNN, which was no slacker in filling that need in the
marketplace. And yet when I spoke to an F.C.C. enforcement
spokesman after more than two days of such replays, the
agency had not yet received a single complaint about the
spot's constant recycling on other TV shows, among them the
highly rated talk show "The View," where Ms. Sheridan's
bare back had been merrily paraded at the child-friendly
hour of 11 a.m. 

The hypocrisy embedded in this tale is becoming a national
running gag. As in the Super Bowl brouhaha, in which the
N.F.L. maintained it had no idea that MTV might produce a
racy halftime show, the league has denied any prior inkling
of the salaciousness on tap this time - even though the
spot featured the actress playing the sluttiest character
in prime time's most libidinous series and was shot with
the full permission of one of the league's teams in its own
locker room. Again as in the Jackson case, we are also
asked to believe that pro football is what Pat Buchanan
calls "the family entertainment, the family sports show"
rather than what it actually is: a Boschian jamboree of
bumping-and-grinding cheerleaders, erectile-dysfunction
pageantry and, as Don Imus puts it, "wife-beating drug
addicts slamming the hell out of each other" on the field. 

But there's another, more insidious game being played as
well. The F.C.C. and the family values crusaders alike are
cooking their numbers. The first empirical evidence was
provided this month by Jeff Jarvis, a former TV Guide
critic turned blogger. He had the ingenious idea of filing
a Freedom of Information Act request to see the actual
viewer complaints that drove the F.C.C. to threaten Fox and
its affiliates with the largest indecency fine to date -
$1.2 million for the sins of a now-defunct reality program
called "Married by America." Though the F.C.C. had cited
159 public complaints in its legal case against Fox, the
documents obtained by Mr. Jarvis showed that there were
actually only 90 complaints, written by 23 individuals. Of
those 23, all but 2 were identical repetitions of a form
letter posted by the Parents Television Council. In other
words, the total of actual, discrete complaints about
"Married by America" was 3. 

Such letter-writing factories as the American Family
Association's OneMillionMoms.com also exaggerate their
clout in intimidating advertisers. They brag, for instance,
that the retail chain Lowe's dropped its commercials on
"Desperate Housewives" in response to their protests. But
Lowe's was not an advertiser on the show; the advertiser
who actually bought the commercial was Whirlpool, which
plugged Lowe's as a retail outlet for its products under a
co-branding arrangement. Another advertiser that the
family-values mafia takes credit for chasing away, Tyson
Foods, had only bought in for one episode of "Desperate
Housewives" in the first place. It had long since been
replaced by such Fortune 500 advertisers as Ford and
McDonald's, each clamoring to pay three times as much for a
30-second spot ($450,000) as those early advertisers who
bought time before the show had its debut and became an
instant smash. 

But perhaps the most revealing barometer of the real state
of play in American culture in 2004 is "Desperate
Housewives" itself. Conceived by Marc Cherry, who is
described by Newsweek as a "somewhat conservative, gay
Republican," it is a campy, well-made soap opera presenting
suburban American family life as a fugue of dysfunction,
malice and sex. It's not for nothing that its characters
are seen running off to Alfred Hitchcock and Billy Wilder
retrospectives or that some of the episodes are named after
Stephen Sondheim songs like "Who's That Woman?" and "Pretty
Little Picture." 

The children of Mr. Cherry's Wisteria Lane can be as
poisonous as that small-town brat in Hitchcock's "Shadow of
a Doubt": one preadolescent girl is an extortionist and one
teenage daughter all but pimps for her divorced mother. The
career-driven husbands are as soulless as the office rats
of Wilder's "Apartment," and their wives are, yes, as
desperate as those in the Manhattan high-rises of
Sondheim's "Company." Whatever else is to be said about
"Desperate Housewives" - and I haven't missed an episode -
it is not to be confused with the kind of entertainment
that the Traditional Values Coalition wants to impose on
the airwaves. It not only emulates HBO Sunday night hits
like "Sex and the City" and "Six Feet Under" in its cheeky,
sardonic tone but brushes right up against them in language
and action. 

In one recent show the most oversexed character on screen,
a 17-year-old jock having an affair with a married woman,
is revealed to be a member of his high school's "abstinence
club." (Surely it was a coincidence that this revelation
butted right up against a commercial for Ortho Tri-Cyclen,
a prescription contraceptive.) In another, a wife
collapsing under the burden of stay-at-home motherhood
slugs her spouse when he contemplates not using a condom.
Then there was the dinner party where another of the wives
tries to humiliate her husband by telling the assembled
that he "cries after he ejaculates." 

"Desperate Housewives" is hardly a blue-state phenomenon. A
hit everywhere, it is even a bigger hit in Oklahoma City
than it is in Los Angeles, bigger in Kansas City than it is
in New York. All those public moralists who wail about all
the kids watching Ms. Sheridan on "Monday Night Football"
would probably have apoplexy if they actually watched what
Ms. Sheridan was up to in her own series - and then looked
closely at its Nielsen numbers. Though children ages 2 to
11 make up a small percentage of the audience of either
show, there are actually more in that age group tuning into
Mr. Cherry's marital brawls (870,000) than into the
N.F.L.'s fisticuffs (540,000). "Desperate Housewives" also
ranks No. 5 among all prime-time shows for ages 12-17.
("Monday Night Football" is No. 18.) This may explain in
part why its current advertisers include products like
Fisher-Price toys, the DVD of "Elf" and the forthcoming Tim
Allen holiday vehicle, "Christmas With the Kranks." 

Those who cherish the First Amendment can only hope that
the Traditional Values Coalition, OneMillionMoms.com,
OneMillionDads .com and all the rest send every e-mail they
can to the F.C.C. demanding punitive action against the
stations that broadcast "Desperate Housewives." A "moral
values" crusade that stands between a TV show this popular
and its audience will quickly learn the limits of its power
in a country where entertainment is god. 

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From lava at hilobay.com  Thu Nov 25 14:43:16 2004
From: lava at hilobay.com (lava)
Date: Thu Nov 25 14:44:59 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 5, Issue 26
In-Reply-To: <200411252000.iAPK04jP013259@dune>
Message-ID: <000001c4d340$2b492c80$8fef0304@paradise>



Aloha from Paradise,

Ka Uhane o na Honu (the spirit of the turtles) sends its Aloha to you all
this Thankgiving.
Thanksgiving for me, is the true holiday of this season, where the
commercialism of Christmas starts before Halloween. I've dumped Christmas
for this day.

To our brothers and sisters around the world defending the "American" way of
life, I add a special Mahalo Nui Loa, (thank you very much) for all your
sacrifices. As was true in the 60's and my time in Vietnam, we do what we
must to answer the call of corporate America and our politicians, right or
wrong, because as a nation of caring people, we can do no other thing.


Aloha,
Chris Drayer, director,
Hair at the Palace Theater, October 2004




Peace, Love, Flowers, Freedom, Happiness..
We are a tribe. We are one. We are HAiR !


From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Thu Nov 25 16:22:29 2004
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Thu Nov 25 16:22:58 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Thanksgiving
References: <200411252000.iAPK04jO013259@dune>
Message-ID: <000c01c4d34e$038e8c40$6401a8c0@f1n9i3>

I'll give a Happy Thanksgiving shout out to everyone too!! The tryptophane
is kicking in and I'm "Going Down".

PEACE,
Leo

From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Thu Nov 25 16:28:59 2004
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Thu Nov 25 16:29:20 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant
References: <200411252000.iAPK04jO013259@dune>
Message-ID: <001201c4d34e$ec00c600$6401a8c0@f1n9i3>


Ya know Doris, we have a local classic rock radio station here out of
Portland, Maine who play Alice's Restaurant every Thanksgiving at noon. Not
only do they play it, but it's the original vinyl copy replete with pops &
scratches. TRUE music to my  ears!! It has become a tradition for me to
listen to it every Thanksgiving while I peel potatoes. Now leaving the Group
W bench.

PEACE,
Leo

> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:09:14 -0500
> From: "Doris J. Brook" <djbrook@hevanet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Greetings

> And this year, especially, everyone should cue up Arlo Guthrie doing
> "Alice's Restaurant."  Get your kids to sing along.  Sad as it is that
> Arlo's words seem even truer now than they did then, it'll still make you
> feel better.  Remember, "ya gotta sing loud, if you wanna end war 'n
> stuff..."!
>
> Peace and blessings to all,
> Doris

From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Nov 25 16:47:32 2004
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Thu Nov 25 16:49:44 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Thanksgiving
References: <200411252000.iAPK04jO013259@dune>
	<000c01c4d34e$038e8c40$6401a8c0@f1n9i3>
Message-ID: <003a01c4d351$a4493790$40022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>

Yes Leo,tryptophane is today's valium.  :)

Love forever
Robin

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:22 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Thanksgiving


> I'll give a Happy Thanksgiving shout out to everyone too!! The tryptophane
> is kicking in and I'm "Going Down".
>
> PEACE,
> Leo
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair 

From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Nov 25 16:48:27 2004
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Thu Nov 25 16:49:47 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant
References: <200411252000.iAPK04jO013259@dune>
	<001201c4d34e$ec00c600$6401a8c0@f1n9i3>
Message-ID: <003b01c4d351$a5ad3460$40022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>

Very cool brother :)

Love forever
Robin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 7:28 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant


>
> Ya know Doris, we have a local classic rock radio station here out of
> Portland, Maine who play Alice's Restaurant every Thanksgiving at noon. 
> Not
> only do they play it, but it's the original vinyl copy replete with pops &
> scratches. TRUE music to my  ears!! It has become a tradition for me to
> listen to it every Thanksgiving while I peel potatoes. Now leaving the 
> Group
> W bench.
>
> PEACE,
> Leo
>
>> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:09:14 -0500
>> From: "Doris J. Brook" <djbrook@hevanet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Greetings
>
>> And this year, especially, everyone should cue up Arlo Guthrie doing
>> "Alice's Restaurant."  Get your kids to sing along.  Sad as it is that
>> Arlo's words seem even truer now than they did then, it'll still make you
>> feel better.  Remember, "ya gotta sing loud, if you wanna end war 'n
>> stuff..."!
>>
>> Peace and blessings to all,
>> Doris
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair 

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Nov 25 18:36:48 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Nov 25 18:38:04 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 5, Issue 26
References: <000001c4d340$2b492c80$8fef0304@paradise>
Message-ID: <005c01c4d360$c78a0950$30466c42@hotprojects>

god bless you chris and your whole tribe
richard haase
director hair 1980
yes we are a tribe
and the beautiful thing is
its the one i always wanted to belong to
more than anything
ever since i was a 10 year old boy
and thats something to be thankful for
( being here now for me is like making the yankees etc )
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "lava" <lava@hilobay.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 5:43 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 5, Issue 26




Aloha from Paradise,

Ka Uhane o na Honu (the spirit of the turtles) sends its Aloha to you all
this Thankgiving.
Thanksgiving for me, is the true holiday of this season, where the
commercialism of Christmas starts before Halloween. I've dumped Christmas
for this day.

To our brothers and sisters around the world defending the "American" way of
life, I add a special Mahalo Nui Loa, (thank you very much) for all your
sacrifices. As was true in the 60's and my time in Vietnam, we do what we
must to answer the call of corporate America and our politicians, right or
wrong, because as a nation of caring people, we can do no other thing.


Aloha,
Chris Drayer, director,
Hair at the Palace Theater, October 2004




Peace, Love, Flowers, Freedom, Happiness..
We are a tribe. We are one. We are HAiR !


_______________________________________________
Mb-hair mailing list
Mb-hair@islandlists.com
http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 25 18:39:55 2004
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Thu Nov 25 18:41:18 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant
In-Reply-To: <001201c4d34e$ec00c600$6401a8c0@f1n9i3>
Message-ID: <BAY20-F362145F83EB396CB547705B2BA0@phx.gbl>

As we live about a half hour from the scene of the real Thanksgiving Day 
masacree that the first part of the song is about we can always count on it 
being played on the radio here several times every Thanksgiving Day. I make 
sure to catch it every year while baking pies.

Alice's church is now the home of the Guthrie Foundation, Arlo's foundation 
which is involved in many wonderful things, many musical. Her restaurant is 
still a restaurant, although much more upscale than hers was. Arlo, Alice, 
and Officer Obie are all still around...

Happy Thanksgiving all!
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html




>From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant
>Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:28:59 -0500
>
>
>Ya know Doris, we have a local classic rock radio station here out of
>Portland, Maine who play Alice's Restaurant every Thanksgiving at noon. Not
>only do they play it, but it's the original vinyl copy replete with pops &
>scratches. TRUE music to my  ears!! It has become a tradition for me to
>listen to it every Thanksgiving while I peel potatoes. Now leaving the 
>Group
>W bench.
>
>PEACE,
>Leo
>
> > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:09:14 -0500
> > From: "Doris J. Brook" <djbrook@hevanet.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Greetings
>
> > And this year, especially, everyone should cue up Arlo Guthrie doing
> > "Alice's Restaurant."  Get your kids to sing along.  Sad as it is that
> > Arlo's words seem even truer now than they did then, it'll still make 
>you
> > feel better.  Remember, "ya gotta sing loud, if you wanna end war 'n
> > stuff..."!
> >
> > Peace and blessings to all,
> > Doris
>
>_______________________________________________
>Mb-hair mailing list
>Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair


From djbrook at hevanet.com  Thu Nov 25 20:35:06 2004
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Thu Nov 25 23:37:22 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant
References: <BAY20-F362145F83EB396CB547705B2BA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001e01c4d371$4ee01510$64153dc0@djb>

Cool, Nina & Leo.  I remember WNEW (?) in NYC used to play it every year,
which is where the tradition began for me.  (No one seems to do it here in
Portland, though I bet KBOO might).  We've managed to reach the critical
mass point of wretched-but-wonderful-excess tonight, and everybody sang
along, too, between the salad and the pies.  Also, as to Hair trivia,
Shelley Plimpton from OBC was, of course, in the movie of Alice's
Restaurant.  (It's all always connected...)

I had read about Arlo buying the church, which seems totally appropriate.

Good night to all- don't shop tomorrow!

-Doris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 9:39 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant


> As we live about a half hour from the scene of the real Thanksgiving Day
> masacree that the first part of the song is about we can always count on
it
> being played on the radio here several times every Thanksgiving Day. I
make
> sure to catch it every year while baking pies.
>
> Alice's church is now the home of the Guthrie Foundation, Arlo's
foundation
> which is involved in many wonderful things, many musical. Her restaurant
is
> still a restaurant, although much more upscale than hers was. Arlo, Alice,
> and Officer Obie are all still around...
>
> Happy Thanksgiving all!
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
> >Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant
> >Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:28:59 -0500
> >
> >
> >Ya know Doris, we have a local classic rock radio station here out of
> >Portland, Maine who play Alice's Restaurant every Thanksgiving at noon.
Not
> >only do they play it, but it's the original vinyl copy replete with pops
&
> >scratches. TRUE music to my  ears!! It has become a tradition for me to
> >listen to it every Thanksgiving while I peel potatoes. Now leaving the
> >Group
> >W bench.
> >
> >PEACE,
> >Leo
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:09:14 -0500
> > > From: "Doris J. Brook" <djbrook@hevanet.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Greetings
> >
> > > And this year, especially, everyone should cue up Arlo Guthrie doing
> > > "Alice's Restaurant."  Get your kids to sing along.  Sad as it is that
> > > Arlo's words seem even truer now than they did then, it'll still make
> >you
> > > feel better.  Remember, "ya gotta sing loud, if you wanna end war 'n
> > > stuff..."!
> > >
> > > Peace and blessings to all,
> > > Doris
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>
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>

From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Fri Nov 26 06:51:43 2004
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Dauber)
Date: Fri Nov 26 06:51:39 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Alice's Restaurant
In-Reply-To: <001e01c4d371$4ee01510$64153dc0@djb>
Message-ID: <yam9826.2180.151946176@outgoing.verizon.net>

On 11/26/2004, Doris J. Brook wrote:

> Cool, Nina & Leo.  I remember WNEW (?) in NYC used to play it every year,
> which is where the tradition began for me.  (No one seems to do it here in
> Portland, though I bet KBOO might).

What you might want to do if you have your heart set on continuing this
tradition is seeing, believe it or not, whether any stations in your area
carry the Dr. Demento Show. I honestly don't know if he doesn't this every
year, but on his last show before Thanksgiving he played "Alice's
Restaurant" and mentioned the connection to Thanksgiving. And to be honest,
although I've heard the song many times, this week was the first time I
really paid attention to it and finally understood that it's definitely a
Thanksgiving song! :)

> Good night to all- don't shop tomorrow!

arhghhg...tell me about it. I woke up to the radio station that basically
covers what's going on in all of New Jersey, and I heard the LONGEST traffic
report ever. Every mention of a backup was followed by the words "near the
______ Mall..." Well...I guess I shouldn't be surprised, as IINM, New Jersey
invented the mall..thank God I don't live near Paramus...and thank God I'm
married to a sensible woman who doesn't want to leave the house today!

--
dauber@banana-and-louie.org * dauber.50megs.com
 * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
From barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net  Fri Nov 26 07:09:05 2004
From: barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Nov 26 07:10:25 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant
In-Reply-To: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>'s message of Fri,
	26 Nov 2004 02:39:55 +0000
Message-ID: <23732-41A74711-8486@storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net>

Nina..

Are you near W. Stockbridge Mass.? When I stayed there one summer
(approx. 1971 or 2) I went to Alices restaurant which I was told was NOT
the original, it was on this great country road (near w stockbridge),
sort of like a roadside type of restaurant..... She was cooking in the
kitchen and the food was awesome... she oversaw everything and was busy
as a bee, I had great respect for her hard work. Just wondering IF it is
still in the same place?

peace,
barbara
>From:?"Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com> 
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant 
>Date: Fri, Nov 26, 2004, 

As we live about a half hour from the scene of the real Thanksgiving Day
masacree that the first part of the song is about we can always count on
it being played on the radio here several times every Thanksgiving Day.
I make sure to catch it every year while baking pies.
 
Alice's church is now the home of the Guthrie Foundation, Arlo's
foundation which is involved in many wonderful things, many musical. Her
restaurant is still a restaurant, although much more upscale than hers
was. Arlo, Alice, and Officer Obie are all still around...
 
Happy Thanksgiving all!
Nina 
The Hair Archives 
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html 

From michael at intrafi.com  Fri Nov 26 09:52:27 2004
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Fri Nov 26 09:53:45 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Ancient Conqueror, Modern Devotees 
Message-ID: <20041126175227.A8C6A3504F@web38t.prvt.nytimes.com>

The article below from NYTimes.com 
has been sent to you by michael@intrafi.com.



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From Reeeees at aol.com  Fri Nov 26 16:01:24 2004
From: Reeeees at aol.com (Reeeees@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 26 16:03:06 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
Message-ID: <126.51034b34.2ed91dd4@aol.com>

Happy Birthday, Michael,
with every good wish for a healthy new year, full of joys, delights and 
satisfactions.

Love always,
Linda
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From venuetheatre at juno.com  Fri Nov 26 15:21:34 2004
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (Corinne Broskette)
Date: Fri Nov 26 16:11:03 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: tryptophane
Message-ID: <20041126.190810.3280.4.venuetheatre@juno.com>

Why was that not in the "Dricky Dick" song?
LSD        IRT
tryptophane        
et on adnauseum.... LOL

Corinne



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From venuetheatre at juno.com  Fri Nov 26 16:08:10 2004
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (Corinne Broskette)
Date: Fri Nov 26 16:11:07 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re:     Way too long for my taste.....
Message-ID: <20041126.190810.3280.5.venuetheatre@juno.com>

 
 
Frank Rich: The Great Indecency Hoax   
November 28, 2004

I know that this is important stuff, but why not just give us the web
site to look it up rather than taking all the download space on this?

Also, if everyone would NOT send the whole message back to the site, (
all the <<<'s etc) I might be more interested in reading.  It is way too
time comsuming.  And I really do not have the time.  Sorry for sounding
cynical.

Peace
Corinne

try this one

  http://www.drafthoward.com/click/petition/sign/qwwre

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Nov 26 16:28:57 2004
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Nov 26 16:30:20 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
References: <126.51034b34.2ed91dd4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002901c4d418$15c82b80$30466c42@hotprojects>

happy birthday michael
cine dane
( eg 100 more )
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Reeeees@aol.com 
  To: mb-civic@islandlists.com ; mb-hair-owner@islandlists.com ; mb-hair@islandemail.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:01 PM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael


  Happy Birthday, Michael,
  with every good wish for a healthy new year, full of joys, delights and satisfactions.

  Love always,
  Linda


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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Fri Nov 26 16:29:59 2004
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Fri Nov 26 16:31:22 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
References: <126.51034b34.2ed91dd4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004301c4d418$3a9bf720$40022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>

HAPPY BIRHTDAY MICHAEL!!!
My love forever
Robin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Reeeees@aol.com 
  To: mb-civic@islandlists.com ; mb-hair-owner@islandlists.com ; mb-hair@islandemail.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:01 PM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael


  Happy Birthday, Michael,
  with every good wish for a healthy new year, full of joys, delights and satisfactions.

  Love always,
  Linda


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From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Fri Nov 26 17:51:27 2004
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 26 17:52:50 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
Message-ID: <6.392b2c63.2ed9379f@aol.com>

Have a wonderful birthday Michael!

-amy
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Nov 26 17:58:02 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Nov 26 17:56:24 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re:     Way too long for my taste.....
In-Reply-To: <20041126.190810.3280.5.venuetheatre@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BDCD1F2A.1B8B7%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks for your comments
Michael

> 
> 
> Frank Rich: The Great Indecency Hoax
> November 28, 2004
> 
> I know that this is important stuff, but why not just give us the web
> site to look it up rather than taking all the download space on this?
> 
> Also, if everyone would NOT send the whole message back to the site, (
> all the <<<'s etc) I might be more interested in reading.  It is way too
> time comsuming.  And I really do not have the time.  Sorry for sounding
> cynical.
> 
> Peace
> Corinne
> 
> try this one
> 
> http://www.drafthoward.com/click/petition/sign/qwwre
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
> Venue Theatre, 5124 Ninth Avenue N, St Petersburg, FL 33710
> 727-321-6531  cell  727-656-8525
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Nov 26 18:03:03 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Nov 26 18:01:27 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
In-Reply-To: <6.392b2c63.2ed9379f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BDCD2057.1B8BA%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks
Michael

> Have a wonderful birthday Michael!
> 
> -amy
> 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Nov 26 18:03:48 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Nov 26 18:02:09 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
In-Reply-To: <004301c4d418$3a9bf720$40022341@YOUR5F5932F0DA>
Message-ID: <BDCD2084.1B8BC%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks
XO Michael

> HAPPY BIRHTDAY MICHAEL!!!
> My love forever
> Robin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Reeeees@aol.com
> To: mb-civic@islandlists.com ; mb-hair-owner@islandlists.com ;
> mb-hair@islandemail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:01 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
> 
> 
> Happy Birthday, Michael,
> with every good wish for a healthy new year, full of joys, delights and
> satisfactions.
> 
> Love always,
> Linda
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Nov 26 18:04:14 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Nov 26 18:02:35 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
In-Reply-To: <002901c4d418$15c82b80$30466c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BDCD209E.1B8BD%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks
XO Michael

> happy birthday michael
> cine dane
> ( eg 100 more )
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Reeeees@aol.com
> To: mb-civic@islandlists.com ; mb-hair-owner@islandlists.com ;
> mb-hair@islandemail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 7:01 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
> 
> 
> Happy Birthday, Michael,
> with every good wish for a healthy new year, full of joys, delights and
> satisfactions.
> 
> Love always,
> Linda
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Nov 26 18:04:47 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Nov 26 18:03:09 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
In-Reply-To: <126.51034b34.2ed91dd4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BDCD20BF.1B8BE%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks
XO Michael

> Happy Birthday, Michael,
> with every good wish for a healthy new year, full of joys, delights and
> satisfactions.
> 
> Love always,
> Linda
> 
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> 

From ace at aceross.com  Fri Nov 26 17:37:30 2004
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Fri Nov 26 18:59:56 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Happy Birthday Michael
Message-ID: <20041127013751.7684A1C24C@gw02-bur.mroute.net>

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Nov 26 19:09:03 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Nov 26 19:07:25 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Happy Birthday Michael
In-Reply-To: <20041127013751.7684A1C24C@gw02-bur.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <BDCD2FCF.1B8CF%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Ace
Thanks
XO Michael

> 
> 
> Portrait, age 8
> <http://www.orlok.com/orlok/michael/gallery/images/butler.jpg> Happy
> Birthday Michael
> 
> Michael at Camp
> <http://www.orlok.com/orlok/michael/gallery/images/beach1.jpg>
> <http://www.orlok.com/orlok/michael/gallery/images/1966_polo_governors.jpg>
> <http://www.orlok.com/orlok/michael/gallery/images/1960s_polo_1.jpg>
> 
> 
> <http://www.orlok.com/orlok/michael/gallery/images/1970s_mb.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> <http://www.orlok.com/orlok/michael/gallery/images/1990s_mb.jpg>
> 
> <http://www.orlok.com/orlok/michael/gallery/images/mb_2000_dana.jpg>
> 
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 26 19:08:59 2004
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Nov 26 19:10:21 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant
In-Reply-To: <23732-41A74711-8486@storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY20-F53607B47F9A1C864C900FB2BB0@phx.gbl>

Hi Barbara,

I'm a little more than half an hour east of Stockbridge. Alice had at least 
three restaurants that I am aware of. The first was a tiny place "around the 
back, just a half a mile from the railroad track" in downtown Stockbridge, 
down a short alley off the main street. Same street as the Red Lion Inn. 
This is the one made famous by the song, but I don't believe it was around 
that long. The last one I went to was about 25 years ago, called Alice's at 
Avaloch, near Tanglewood, a much more upscale restaurant than the original, 
or the one you went to. Perhaps she had more than these three...? Not sure 
what she is up to these days.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html




>From: barbarasiomos38@webtv.net (Barbara Siomos)
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant
>Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:09:05 -0500
>
>Nina..
>
>Are you near W. Stockbridge Mass.? When I stayed there one summer
>(approx. 1971 or 2) I went to Alices restaurant which I was told was NOT
>the original, it was on this great country road (near w stockbridge),
>sort of like a roadside type of restaurant..... She was cooking in the
>kitchen and the food was awesome... she oversaw everything and was busy
>as a bee, I had great respect for her hard work. Just wondering IF it is
>still in the same place?
>
>peace,
>barbara
> >From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> >To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant
> >Date: Fri, Nov 26, 2004,
>
>As we live about a half hour from the scene of the real Thanksgiving Day
>masacree that the first part of the song is about we can always count on
>it being played on the radio here several times every Thanksgiving Day.
>I make sure to catch it every year while baking pies.
>
>Alice's church is now the home of the Guthrie Foundation, Arlo's
>foundation which is involved in many wonderful things, many musical. Her
>restaurant is still a restaurant, although much more upscale than hers
>was. Arlo, Alice, and Officer Obie are all still around...
>
>Happy Thanksgiving all!
>Nina
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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Fri Nov 26 19:33:22 2004
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Dauber)
Date: Fri Nov 26 19:33:17 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] MY contribution to the numerous posts of...
Message-ID: <yam9826.1147.152818072@outgoing.verizon.net>

...HAPPY BIRTHDAY and God bless to Michael! What a weekend for a birthday, too...

--
dauber@banana-and-louie.org * dauber.50megs.com
 * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
From paul at paulkorda.com  Fri Nov 26 21:09:33 2004
From: paul at paulkorda.com (Paul Korda)
Date: Fri Nov 26 21:06:59 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Michael
Message-ID: <000001c4d43f$49899cc0$2bc6e804@pkorda>

Dear Michael,
Thanks for keeping your dreams alive. 
 
Paul Korda
http://www.PaulKorda.com <http://www.paulkorda.com/> 
 
 
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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 26 22:12:32 2004
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Fri Nov 26 22:13:53 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Michael!
In-Reply-To: <20041122171416.89200.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041127061232.69157.qmail@web53405.mail.yahoo.com>


Happy Birthday Michael!

 

Love ~ Jonathon



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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Fri Nov 26 23:16:16 2004
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Fri Nov 26 23:17:09 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Birthday, Michael
References: <200411270300.iAR302iF016197@dune>
Message-ID: <002601c4d450$fc025520$6401a8c0@f1n9i3>

And, as always, I'll join in with a late, but rousing, chorus rendition of
happy birthday to Michael. I hope it was a peaceful day for ya Michael and
that you were surrounded by lots of love.

PEACE,
Leo

> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:01:24 EST
> From: Reeeees@aol.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
> Happy Birthday, Michael,
> with every good wish for a healthy new year, full of joys, delights and
> satisfactions.
>
> Love always,
> Linda

From venuetheatre at juno.com  Sat Nov 27 08:04:59 2004
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (Corinne Broskette)
Date: Sat Nov 27 08:37:32 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Birthday Michael
Message-ID: <20041127.113415.1232.1.venuetheatre@juno.com>

Oh gosh, did I miss it again?  What a dope I am.
Happy Birthday Michael, many more.
Love
Corinne

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Nov 27 08:53:56 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Nov 27 08:52:20 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Birthday Michael
In-Reply-To: <20041127.113415.1232.1.venuetheatre@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BDCDF124.1B8F1%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Corinne,
Thanks
Love Michael

> Oh gosh, did I miss it again?  What a dope I am.
> Happy Birthday Michael, many more.
> Love
> Corinne
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Nov 27 08:54:40 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Nov 27 08:53:02 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] MY contribution to the numerous posts of...
In-Reply-To: <yam9826.1147.152818072@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BDCDF150.1B8F3%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Dauber,
Hope all is well with you and thanks
Michael

> ...HAPPY BIRTHDAY and God bless to Michael! What a weekend for a birthday,
> too...
> 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Nov 27 09:00:01 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Nov 27 08:58:23 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Michael!
In-Reply-To: <20041127061232.69157.qmail@web53405.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BDCDF291.1B8F5%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Jonathon
Thanks so much.
Are you getting ready for a cold spell down there?
Love Michael

> 
> Happy Birthday Michael!
> 
> 
> 
> Love ~ Jonathon
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Good HAIR Days: A Personal Journey with the American Tribal Love-Rock Musical
> HAIR, by Jonathon Johnson. For more information on the book and how to order
> it, visit www.goodhairdays.net. Visit our other websites at www.uversa.net and
> www.kidstherapyassociates.com.
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Nov 27 09:13:13 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Nov 27 09:11:35 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Birthday, Michael
In-Reply-To: <002601c4d450$fc025520$6401a8c0@f1n9i3>
Message-ID: <BDCDF5A9.1B8FC%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Leo,

I was surrounded with love and in particular holding Liam who is now 11
months. This was before the feast. Afterwards I was so exhausted with food
that I was no longer capable. Fortunately or unfortunately I had some prior
cheer and thus had the munchies-a most dangerous but happy strategy.

Peace and Love,
Michael
 --Compassion is the state of being in touch with the
bright, beautiful and flawed nature of humanity



> And, as always, I'll join in with a late, but rousing, chorus rendition of
> happy birthday to Michael. I hope it was a peaceful day for ya Michael and
> that you were surrounded by lots of love.
> 
> PEACE,
> Leo
> 
>> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:01:24 EST
>> From: Reeeees@aol.com
>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
>> Happy Birthday, Michael,
>> with every good wish for a healthy new year, full of joys, delights and
>> satisfactions.
>> 
>> Love always,
>> Linda
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Nov 27 09:54:23 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Nov 27 09:52:50 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Michael
In-Reply-To: <000001c4d43f$49899cc0$2bc6e804@pkorda>
Message-ID: <BDCDFF4F.1B906%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Paul,
You do seem to be keeping your dreams alive. It is so good for us to have
dreams in this questionable world.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Peace and Love
Michael
-- As the saying goes: "if you are not paranoid, you are not paying
attention." Ian



> Dear Michael,
> Thanks for keeping your dreams alive.
> 
> Paul Korda
> http://www.PaulKorda.com <http://www.paulkorda.com/>
> 
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From michael at intrafi.com  Sat Nov 27 10:27:50 2004
From: michael at intrafi.com (Michael)
Date: Sat Nov 27 10:30:45 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] BBC E-mail: Stone's hope for Alexander praise
Message-ID: <20041127_182917_090531.michael@intrafi.com>

Michael saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you
should see it.

** Message **
Adam and I saw Alexander in a SRO theatre and enjoyed it. Many critics trashed but as usual with Oliver's work -not boring.
Michael


** Stone's hope for Alexander praise **
Oliver Stone says he thinks his historical epic Alexander will receive better press in Europe after poor US reviews.
< http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/entertainment/4044561.stm >


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< http://www.bbc.co.uk/dailyemail/ >


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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 27 11:11:30 2004
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Sat Nov 27 11:12:53 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Michael!
In-Reply-To: <BDCDF291.1B8F5%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20041127191131.50745.qmail@web53403.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Michael,
 
Yes, it does appear that someone has taken our wonderful southern california weather.
I do appreciate the rain though - we will be in big trouble if this drought does not end soon.
Must all be a part of global warming. The Bushies are determined to make it worse.
 
Glad to hear you're having a great time with little Liam, Adam and Michele. My love to
all of you.
 
Love ~ Jonathon

Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com> wrote:
Jonathon
Thanks so much.
Are you getting ready for a cold spell down there?
Love Michael

> 
> Happy Birthday Michael!
> 
> 
> 
> Love ~ Jonathon
> 
> 
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> www.kidstherapyassociates.com.
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From wmichaelharris at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 27 16:10:33 2004
From: wmichaelharris at earthlink.net (Walter Michael Harris)
Date: Sat Nov 27 16:11:53 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant and HAIR
Message-ID: <41A91779.90809@earthlink.net>

A small HAIR connection with Alice's Restaurant:

The first time I heard of HAIR was from my friend, the actor Michael 
McClanathan.  Mike and I had been in several plays at LaMaMa.  This was 
late 1967 and he asked me to help him prepare for an audition for HAIR 
(headed for Broadway at that point).  He gave me a copy of the RCA 
off-Broadway album, and that's where I first heard the music.

Long story short - Mike and I both auditioned for HAIR, and I got the 
nod.  He got a good job too, however - he was cast as Arlo Guthrie's 
friend in the movie "Alice's Restaurant" right around the same time.

WMH

PS.  Happy Birthday, Michael!

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Nov 27 16:31:40 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Nov 27 16:30:04 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alice's Restaurant and HAIR
In-Reply-To: <41A91779.90809@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BDCE5C6C.1B933%michael@michaelbutler.com>

One of the greatest memories I have in life is you and Ronnie singing "What
a Piece of Work is Man". Never been better and such a poignant moment.
Love Michael

> A small HAIR connection with Alice's Restaurant:
> 
> The first time I heard of HAIR was from my friend, the actor Michael
> McClanathan.  Mike and I had been in several plays at LaMaMa.  This was
> late 1967 and he asked me to help him prepare for an audition for HAIR
> (headed for Broadway at that point).  He gave me a copy of the RCA
> off-Broadway album, and that's where I first heard the music.
> 
> Long story short - Mike and I both auditioned for HAIR, and I got the
> nod.  He got a good job too, however - he was cast as Arlo Guthrie's
> friend in the movie "Alice's Restaurant" right around the same time.
> 
> WMH
> 
> PS.  Happy Birthday, Michael!
> 
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From michael at intrafi.com  Sun Nov 28 09:39:14 2004
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sun Nov 28 09:51:42 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com Article: Op-Art: Must C-Span TV 
Message-ID: <20041128173914.90BFA35040@web38t.prvt.nytimes.com>

The article below from NYTimes.com 
has been sent to you by michael@intrafi.com.



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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Nov 29 10:26:40 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Nov 29 10:25:25 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Lenny sent this
In-Reply-To: <9b.531bc698.2ed3abf1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BDD0A9E0.1B9C8%michael@michaelbutler.com>


------ Forwarded Message


Subj: chemistry proves hell and heaven, very funny thesis!



You have to read this one all the way through..... I'm still laughing!!!

>

>

> Subject: can this be true?

>

> The following is supposedly an actual question given on a University

> of Washington chemistry mid-term. The answer by one student was so

> "profound" that the professor shared it with colleagues, via the

> Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the pleasure of

> enjoying it as well.

>

>

> Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic

> (absorbs heat)? Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs

> using Boyle's Law (gas cools when it expands and heats when it is

> compressed) or some variant.

>

> One student, however, wrote the following: First, we need to know how

> the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need to know the rate at

> which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which they are

> leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to

> Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving.

>

> As for how many souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different

> Religions that exist in the world today. Most of these religions state

> that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to Hell.

> Since there is more than one of these religions and since people do

> not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all souls go

> to Hell.

>

> With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of

> souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of

> change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in order

> for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume

> of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added. This gives

> two

> possibilities:

>

> 1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls

> enter Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase

> until all Hell breaks loose.

>

> 2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in

> Hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes

> over.

>

> So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa

> during my Freshman year that, "It will be a cold day in Hell before I

> sleep with you," and take into account the fact that I slept with her

> last night, then number 2 must be true, and thus I am sure that Hell

> is exothermic and has already frozen over.

>

> The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it

> follows that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore,

> extinct...leaving only Heaven thereby proving the existence of a

> divine being which explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting "Oh

> my God."

>

> THIS STUDENT RECEIVED THE ONLY "A


------ End of Forwarded Message

From bev at beverlybremers.com  Mon Nov 29 13:55:48 2004
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Mon Nov 29 13:57:19 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Birthday, Michael
Message-ID: <20041129215548.B9B612F8DA@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Michael - I, too, am late in wishing you a very happy birthday. You obviously had a great one, surrounded by your lovely family. A joyous Thanksgiving indeed!

Thanks to Ace for those great pics of you!!!

Bev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Birthday, Michael
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:16:16 -0500

> 
> And, as always, I'll join in with a late, but rousing, chorus rendition of
> happy birthday to Michael. I hope it was a peaceful day for ya Michael and
> that you were surrounded by lots of love.
> 
> PEACE,
> Leo
> 
> > Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:01:24 EST
> > From: Reeeees@aol.com
> > Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
> > Happy Birthday, Michael,
> > with every good wish for a healthy new year, full of joys, delights and
> > satisfactions.
> >
> > Love always,
> > Linda
> 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Nov 29 19:22:19 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Nov 29 19:20:50 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Birthday, Michael
In-Reply-To: <20041129215548.B9B612F8DA@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <BDD1276B.1BA00%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Bev,
How nice and thanks for the thought. Hope this is a great year for you.
Peace and Love,
Michael

> Michael - I, too, am late in wishing you a very happy birthday. You obviously
> had a great one, surrounded by your lovely family. A joyous Thanksgiving
> indeed!
> 
> Thanks to Ace for those great pics of you!!!
> 
> Bev
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Happy Birthday, Michael
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:16:16 -0500
> 
>> 
>> And, as always, I'll join in with a late, but rousing, chorus rendition of
>> happy birthday to Michael. I hope it was a peaceful day for ya Michael and
>> that you were surrounded by lots of love.
>> 
>> PEACE,
>> Leo
>> 
>>> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:01:24 EST
>>> From: Reeeees@aol.com
>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday, Michael
>>> Happy Birthday, Michael,
>>> with every good wish for a healthy new year, full of joys, delights and
>>> satisfactions.
>>> 
>>> Love always,
>>> Linda
>> 
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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 29 20:54:49 2004
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Mon Nov 29 20:57:00 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Way too long for my taste.....
In-Reply-To: <BDCD1F2A.1B8B7%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY20-F366B3E63B6212EA02C05E6B4BE0@phx.gbl>

Guess we all have our 'druthers. I prefer to have the info in the email 
rather than click thru to the site - easy enough to scan the piece to see if 
it holds interest...and one less step in our busy lives!

From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re:     Way too long for my taste.....
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 17:58:02 -0800

Thanks for your comments
Michael

 >
 >
 > Frank Rich: The Great Indecency Hoax
 > November 28, 2004
 >
 > I know that this is important stuff, but why not just give us the web
 > site to look it up rather than taking all the download space on this?
 >
 > Also, if everyone would NOT send the whole message back to the site, (
 > all the <<<'s etc) I might be more interested in reading.  It is way too
 > time comsuming.  And I really do not have the time.  Sorry for sounding
 > cynical.
 >
 > Peace
 > Corinne
 >
 > try this one
 >
 > http://www.drafthoward.com/click/petition/sign/qwwre
 >
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From barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net  Tue Nov 30 08:48:58 2004
From: barbarasiomos38 at webtv.net (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Tue Nov 30 08:51:29 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Please support & Pass on
Message-ID: <3542-41ACA47A-2104@storefull-3212.bay.webtv.net>

This is very important, I hope we can all support this effort in
whatever way you can. Send it around the internet, fax your support and
get your tribe or organization to support. Charmaine White Face, the
leader of the Defenders, is fasting on our behalf so we must all support
her with our prayers and actions. Thank you, Carter Camp 

Defenders of the Black Hills <BHDefenders@aol.com> wrote: 
Subject: Hunger Strike by Indigenous Peoples' Representatives at the UN
- Charmaine White Face participating 
From: Defenders of the Black Hills
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:38:02 -0800 (PST)
 
"support indigenous in a hunger strike in UN" "apoyo a Indmgenas en una
huelga de Hambre en la ONU" "soutien Indighnes en grhve de la faim `
l?ONU"  ENGLISH / FRANCAIS / ESPANOL 
HUNGER STRIKE BY INDIGENOUS PEOPLES' REPRESENTATIVES AT THE UNITED
NATIONS!

Today, November 29th, 2004, at 11 am, we, Indigenous Peoples' delegates,
declare a hunger strike and spiritual fast inside the United Nations
Palais des Nations in Geneva, during this 3rd week of the 10th session
of the Intersessional Working Group on the United Nations Draft
Declaration for the Rights on Indigenous Peoples.
 
Send expressions of solidarity from Indigenous Peo! ples and supporters
for the hunger strike for Indigenous Rights and for the adoption of the
current text of the UN Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous
Peoples to the UN Session during this week.
 
Send faxes to: ++ 41 22 917 00 79 (DoCip, for logistic support) 
E-mails to: indigenousolidarity@yahoo.com
 
To have your support letter posted on the IITC web page, also send it
to: iitc@e-w-t.net, with "to post" in the subject line. 
--------------------------------- 
HUNGER STRIKE BY INDIGENOUS PEOPLES' REPRESENTATIVES AT THE UNITED
NATIONS! 
Today, November 29th, 2004, at 11 am, we, Indigenous Peoples' delegates,
declare a hunger strike and spiritual fast inside the United Nations
Palais des Nations in Geneva, during this 3rd week of the 10th session
of the Intersessional Working Group on the United Nations Draft
Declaration for the Rights on Indigenous Peoples.
 
We, Indigenous peoples' delegates from different countries, undertake
this action,! with the support and solidarity of Indigenous Peoples and
organizations from around the world, to call the worlds attention to the
continued attempts by some states, as well as this UN process itself, to
weaken and undermine the Draft Declaration developed in the UN Working
Group on Indigenous Populations and adopted by the UN Subcommission for
the Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities in 1994.
The Sub Commission text has also been endorsed and supported by hundreds
of Indigenous Peoples and organizations around the world as the minimum
standard required for the recognition and protection of Indigenous
Peoples' rights internationally.
 
We delegates who will undertake the hunger strike, along with the
undersigned Indigenous Peoples, organizations, tribal governments,
Nations, communities and Networks, call for the Sub Commission text of
the Declaration to be sent back to the UN Commission on Human Rights
with the message that in 10 years, proposals by Stat! es to weaken or
amend the text have not gained the consensus of the Working Group
participants, which include both states and Indigenous Peoples. Mr. Luis
Chavez, the Chairman Rapporteur of the Working Group should report this
reality and not present a consolidated text as if it was close to
consensus. The Commission on Human Rights must establish a process that
does not provide a handful of States an opportunity to weaken the human
rights of Indigenous Peoples. The process also must take into account
the voices of the great numbers of Indigenous Peoples from all parts of
the world.
 
We will not allow our rights to be negotiated, compromised or diminished
in this UN process, which was initiated more than 20 years ago by
Indigenous Peoples. The United Nations itself says that human rights are
inherent and inalienable, and must be applied to all Peoples without
discrimination.
 
We request that the Secretariat of this session immediately inform the
Office of the High Commissioner on Human Rights and the High
Commissioner herself of this action. We also request that the
Secretariat arrange for the hunger strikers to be able to remain in the
UN during the entire week of the session. 

Indigenous delegates participating in the hunger strike inside the
United Nations include: 
Adelard Blackman, Buffalo River Dene Nation, Canada ; Andrea Carmen,
Yaqui Nation, Arizona United States ; Alexis Tiouka, Kaliqa, French
Guyana ;
 
Charmaine White Face, Ogala Tetuwan, Sioux Nation Territory, North
America ; Danny Billie, Traditional Independent Seminole Nation of
Florida, United States;
 
Saul Vicente, Zapoteca, Mexico.
 
Send expressions of solidarity from Indigenous Peoples and supporters
for the hunger strike for Indigenous Rights and for the adoption of the
current text of the UN Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous
Peoples to the UN Session during this week.
 
Send faxes to: ++ 41 22 917 00 79 (DoCip, for logistic support) 
E-mails to: indigenousolidarity@yahoo.com 
To have your support letter posted on the IITC web page, also send it
to: iitc@e-w-t.net, with "to post" in the subject line. 

For more information in Geneva contact: 
Andrea Carmen (English, Spanish), IITC, 076 546 04 21 (for International
calls dial ++ 41 76 546 04 21) Cyril Schvnbdchler (French, English),
IndiGeneva, 078 716 52 39 or 022 733 28 73 
(for International calls dial ++ 41 78 716 52 39 or ++ 41 22 733 28 73)
Anne-Marie Cruz (French, English, Spanish), IndiGeneva, 076 450 83 18
(for International calls dial ++ 41 76 450 83 18) 

The following organizations, Nations, Tribal Governments and communities
have signed on in support of this action and of the position we present:
Africa 
Indigenous Peoples African Coordinating Committee (IPACC) Argentina 
Asociacisn Mapuche los Toldos 
Organizacion de Naciones y Pueblos Indmgenas en Argentina Comisisn de
Juristas en la Repzblica! de Argentina Argentina/Bolivia/Chile/Peru 
Parlamento del Pueblo Kullana Aymara
Arctic 
Indigenous Peoples and Nations Coalition Kasgit Council of Elders,
Nutmlak (Inherent Traditional Government), Iupik Nation, Alaska 
Native Village of Venetie Tribal Government, Alaska Asia 
Alifurus in Maluku (Moluccas)
Bolivia 
Confederacisn Sindical Znica de Trabajadores campesinos de Bolivia
(CSUTCB) Taypi Ceqe (Organizacisn Indmgena Aymara) 
Canada
Buffalo River Dene Nation
Confederacy of Treaty 6 First Nations
Ermineskin Cree Nation 
Indigenous Organization of Indigenous Resource Development (IOIRD) Innu
Council of Nitassinan 
Union of British Columbia Indian Chiefs
Chile
Consejo de Todas las Tierras
Colombia 
Akuaipa Waimakat (Asociacisn de Derechos Humanos Wayuu de la Guajira)
Organizacisn Zonal Indmgena del Putumayo (OZIP) Ecuador 
Instituto Cientifico de Culturas Indigenas (Amawta Runakunapak Yachay)
French Guyana 
Fidiration des Organisations autochtones de Guyane (FOAG), membre de la
COICA Guatemala 
Comite Campesina del Altiplano (CCDA)
CONAVIGUA
Defensoria Maya 
Fundacion Rigoberta Menchu Tum (Guatemala) Oxlajuj Ajpop de los
Ajq'ijab' (Conferencia Nacional de Ministros de la Espritualidad Maya de
Guatemala) 
Kenya 
Maimyoito Pastoralist Intgegrated Organization Mexico 
Academia Mexicana de Derechos Humanos 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Nov 30 12:10:32 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Nov 30 12:09:11 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Do Not Call List
Message-ID: <BDD213B8.1BA62%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Reza sent this:

In a few weeks, cell phone numbers are being
> released to telemarketing
> companies and you will start to receive sales calls
> on cell phones. Call
> this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222.  It
> is the national Do
> Not Call list.  It blocks your number for 5 years.
> Please pass on,
> 
> Or you can register online at
> 
> https://www.donotcall.gov/register/reg.aspx
> <https://www.donotcall.gov/register/reg.aspx>
> 

From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 15:17:44 2004
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 15:19:30 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Do Not Call List
Message-ID: <1d7.311ae4cd.2ede5998@aol.com>

This is mostly a hoax:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Nov 30 15:52:59 2004
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Nov 30 15:51:35 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Do Not Call List
In-Reply-To: <1d7.311ae4cd.2ede5998@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BDD247DB.1BA7A%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Well, they sure carry it out. I called and went through the drill. Also I
checked out the website.
Are you certain it is a hoax?
Do let us know.
Michael

> This is mostly a hoax:
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp
> 
> - Amy
> 
> "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
> cummings
> 
> "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
> musical)
> 

From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 30 15:55:14 2004
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Tue Nov 30 15:56:48 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Do Not Call List
In-Reply-To: <BDD247DB.1BA7A%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20041130235514.76349.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com>

I went through the motions as well. I don't think the government would create
a do not call list if they weren't worried that telemarketers were eventually going 
to start calling cell phone. 
 
It seems to me to be a good preventative measure to sign up. Better safe than
sorry. 
 
Peace, Love and Blessings ~ Jonathon

Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com> wrote:
Well, they sure carry it out. I called and went through the drill. Also I
checked out the website.
Are you certain it is a hoax?
Do let us know.
Michael

> This is mostly a hoax:
> 
> http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp
> 
> - Amy
> 
> "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
> cummings
> 
> "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
> musical)
> 

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From zenzjay at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 30 15:57:43 2004
From: zenzjay at earthlink.net (Jonathan Zenz)
Date: Tue Nov 30 15:59:18 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Do Not Call List
References: <BDD247DB.1BA7A%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <007101c4d738$626ede70$1259820a@amer.warnerbros.com>

The www.donotcall.gov website is not a hoax, that is legit. It is mainly to
register your home number.  The suggestion that you need to add your cell
number is the hoax.  Since cell numbers are still relatively private it is
not easy for telemarketers to obtain them.  I registered my cell phone
anyway - that way I'm covered for the future.

Jonathan


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "Amy Kazan" <LilacAmy11@aol.com>; "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>;
"Civic" <mb-civic@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Do Not Call List


> Well, they sure carry it out. I called and went through the drill. Also I
> checked out the website.
> Are you certain it is a hoax?
> Do let us know.
> Michael
>
> > This is mostly a hoax:
> >
> > http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp
> >
> > - Amy
> >
> > "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
> > cummings
> >
> > "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
> > musical)
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 30 17:50:26 2004
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Tue Nov 30 17:53:35 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Do Not Call List
In-Reply-To: <BDD247DB.1BA7A%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY20-F28BD24EBDA73A61DF6AA3FB4BF0@phx.gbl>

Amy, I don't know why you say it's "mostly a hoax", because on the 
snopes.com site it clearly states that it is true!
I first heard about it in an email a year ago from our illustrious Senator 
from California, Barbara Boxer, who offered us a link to the registry.
Since signing on I rarely get those annoying calls, esp. at dinnertime!! 
True, those companies we already do business with, such as internet or 
telephone service, can call to offer products, but others cannot, with a 
possible fine of $1100 if they do and are reported.
Anyone interested in further info can go to the snopes.com site and check it 
out.


From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: Amy Kazan <LilacAmy11@aol.com>, HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>,     
    Civic <mb-civic@islandlists.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Do Not Call List
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:52:59 -0800

Well, they sure carry it out. I called and went through the drill. Also I
checked out the website.
Are you certain it is a hoax?
Do let us know.
Michael

 > This is mostly a hoax:
 >
 > http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp
 >
 > - Amy
 >
 > "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
 > cummings
 >
 > "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
 > musical)
 >

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From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 20:25:25 2004
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 20:27:06 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Do Not Call List
Message-ID: <6a.4991b19a.2edea1b5@aol.com>

In a message dated 11/30/2004 5:49:56 PM Central Standard Time, 
michael@michaelbutler.com writes:

> Well, they sure carry it out. I called and went through the drill. Also I
> checked out the website.
> Are you certain it is a hoax?

I checked it out at Snopes.com (which is the link I added in)... maybe I 
mispoke when I said "hoax" - not necessarily a hoax but it said registering your 
cell phone number will either have no effect or possibly even an adverse 
effect.... the thing they are doing is putting together a cell 411 "phone book" and 
you have the option of being in that.... 

I know the "do not call" list is for real, it just appears that putting your 
cell number on it is pretty unecessary as solicitors will not have access to 
cell numbers any time soon

Again, I'm just going off the info that was on snopes.com

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From SharmagneS at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 20:34:10 2004
From: SharmagneS at aol.com (SharmagneS@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 20:35:49 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Check out "ps. i'll find my frog"
Message-ID: <110.3e04b526.2edea3c2@aol.com>

ps. i'll find my frog"

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From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Tue Nov 30 20:38:59 2004
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 30 20:40:33 2004
Subject: [Mb-hair] Do Not Call List
Message-ID: <1d6.311c4617.2edea4e3@aol.com>

To me the immediate nature of the original e-mail seems to be misleading 
according to the information at snopes.com The web site at snopes says:

>>>>
the Wireless 411 directory information is not supposed to be supplied to 
telemarketers, and because FCC regulations already in place block the bulk of 
telemarketing calls to cell phones. 

Adding one's cell phone number to the National Do Not Call Registry (even if 
currently unnecessary) won't likely have any adverse effect, but customers 
should be aware of exactly what that action will or will not accomplish. 
>>>>
    

So again, I guess if you figure it's better to be safe than sorry, it's fine, 
but the original e-mail was misleading in that it was phrased in a way that 
telemarketers soon will have a list of cell phone numbers... and that is simply 
not true according to snopes. 


- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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