From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr  1 11:21:16 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Fri Apr  1 11:24:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
Message-ID: <002301c536ef$f9bb4310$4065fea9@Charles>

Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what is she doing.

Peace, Love, Grace & Blessings ~~Charles~~
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  1 13:19:56 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Apr  1 13:22:49 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
In-Reply-To: <002301c536ef$f9bb4310$4065fea9@Charles>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F156485D3CE7F5E114E3A36B2380@phx.gbl>

Charles asks:

>Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what is 
>she doing.

Sally Eaton is very well. She asks that her email address not be given out, 
but if you send an email to her to my email address  dayton3@rcn.com and 
write in the subject line "Please forward to Sally Eaton" I will forward it 
on to her, and she can reply directly to you.

Sally is in the VH1 Hair Behind The Music documentary from a few years ago.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From ace at aceross.com  Fri Apr  1 13:33:04 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Fri Apr  1 13:35:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] VHI and Peter Jennings tape update.
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F156485D3CE7F5E114E3A36B2380@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050401213305.A203916459C@gw05-bur.mroute.net>

 Jonathan was kind enough to lend me the tapes he has in his
collection....Instead of paying 350 an hour to edit out the commercials and
compress the tape onto DVD. I bought a new computer and hardware to do it
myself....when it is done I will get everybody a copy on a secret web page. 

Sherwin





-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Little Birdie
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:20 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Question

Charles asks:

>Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what 
>is she doing.

Sally Eaton is very well. She asks that her email address not be given out,
but if you send an email to her to my email address  dayton3@rcn.com and
write in the subject line "Please forward to Sally Eaton" I will forward it
on to her, and she can reply directly to you.

Sally is in the VH1 Hair Behind The Music documentary from a few years ago.

Nina

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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  1 13:40:01 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Apr  1 13:42:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Request from the List Mama
Message-ID: <BAY104-F20624A2EA4543F10DF1E76B2380@phx.gbl>

Corinne wrote:

>PS  Again why does everyone repeat everyone elses' posts?  Makes it hard
>to follow the thread, and get to the new stuff.  Wish you would quit it.

Corinne raises an important point in mailing list etiquette that I think 
bears a section in the FAQ. Those of you who receive the list in Digest 
format know what she means, but for those of you who receive the list in 
regular format let me explain. When one gets the list in digest format the 
posts all come in one (or occasionally two) long emails. The posts are just 
stacked one on top of the next in a long email, and one scrolls down to read 
through them. Therefore, when you leave the entire post you are replying to 
visible in your reply, the person reading in digest has to scroll down 
through the quoted post below your response in order to get to the next post 
in the email. In a thread where many people respond to the same post, such 
as in the recent thread called visceral connections, the digest reader may 
have to go through the same original post many, many times. So it is not 
considered the best mailing list etiquette to leave the entire post you are 
responding to below your responding post.

Conversely, the opposite is also not good netiquette - deleting the entire 
post you are responding to, as someone who missed the original post will not 
know what you are responding to.

Therefore we request (and this is just a request, but one that all the 
digest members will thank you for following) that when responding to a post 
you do so the way I have done this post: namely quoting the relevant lines 
that are being responded to at the top of your post and then responding 
below and deleting all other parts of the original post, as I did with most 
of Corinne's post. Thanks to those who are already doing this.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From songsters at earthlink.net  Sat Apr  2 11:21:09 2005
From: songsters at earthlink.net (Andrews/Blaxill)
Date: Sat Apr  2 11:23:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Thanks & HAiR in Birdgeport
Message-ID: <f04310100be749a071bed@[165.247.28.27]>

Hi Cyber Tribe,

Just wanted to thank everyone for their welcoming emails - I wrote 
people back individually so you didn't have to read my email 10 
times!!

I saw Linda Hassler's name - Linda, you were the first line casting 
at the auditions in Detroit & called me back 3x  & let the big guys 
see me - and so helped make that dream come true!!  Your name is 
burned inside my brain - you were the first I met in a long line of 
groovy HAiR girls - big KISS.

I'm going to meet up with Nina & Bill Swiggard & Barbara & Michael at 
the April 9th show in Bridgeport, and as I told Nina , I'm so excited 
& a little nervous - I haven't seen the show since I called in sick 
in Wash DC in '70 & sat in the back & watched .... more later...

Love, love,  love
Debbie Andrews


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Apr  2 16:00:27 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Apr  2 13:03:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Seven Wonders
Message-ID: <BE74721B.1FE44%michael@michaelbutler.com>

A group of students were asked to list what they thought were the
present Seven Wonders of the World.  The following received the most votes:

                                1. Egypt's Great Pyramids

                                2. Taj Mahal

                                3. Grand Canyon

                                4. Panama Canal

                                5. Empire State Building

                                6. St. Peter's Basilica

                                7. China's Great Wall

While gathering the votes, the teacher noted that one student had not
finished her paper yet. So she asked the girl if she was having trouble
with her  list.

The girl replied, "Yes, a little.  I couldn't quite make up my mind
because  there were so many."

The teacher said, "Well, tell us what you have and maybe we can help.

The girl hesitated, then read, "I think the Seven  Wonders of the World'
  are:

1. To See

2.  To Hear

3. To Touch

4. To Taste

5. To  Feel

6. To Laugh

7. And to Love






From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Sat Apr  2 15:58:20 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Sat Apr  2 16:01:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Seven Wonders
References: <BE74721B.1FE44%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <00f801c537df$d8e072f0$4065fea9@Charles>

Excellent Michael Excellent

Charles
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "Civic" <mb-civic@islandlists.com>; "HAIR List" 
<mb-hair@islandlists.com>; "BEARS, DOVES & BEAVERS" 
<michael@michaelbutler.com>; "Family" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 7:00 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Seven Wonders


>A group of students were asked to list what they thought were the
> present Seven Wonders of the World.  The following received the most 
> votes:
>
>                                1. Egypt's Great Pyramids
>
>                                2. Taj Mahal
>
>                                3. Grand Canyon
>
>                                4. Panama Canal
>
>                                5. Empire State Building
>
>                                6. St. Peter's Basilica
>
>                                7. China's Great Wall
>
> While gathering the votes, the teacher noted that one student had not
> finished her paper yet. So she asked the girl if she was having trouble
> with her  list.
>
> The girl replied, "Yes, a little.  I couldn't quite make up my mind
> because  there were so many."
>
> The teacher said, "Well, tell us what you have and maybe we can help.
>
> The girl hesitated, then read, "I think the Seven  Wonders of the World'
>  are:
>
> 1. To See
>
> 2.  To Hear
>
> 3. To Touch
>
> 4. To Taste
>
> 5. To  Feel
>
> 6. To Laugh
>
> 7. And to Love
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Apr  3 07:24:42 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Apr  3 07:27:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
References: <002301c536ef$f9bb4310$4065fea9@Charles>
Message-ID: <007c01c53858$e1ac4c50$6e436c42@hotprojects>

her daughter is martha plimpton the actress
if you call an office of SAG and ask for martha plimpton

or ascap may have a number or actors equity
212 869 8530
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charles Preston 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:21 PM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Question


  Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what is she doing.

  Peace, Love, Grace & Blessings ~~Charles~~


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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Apr  3 10:43:44 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Apr  3 07:46:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
In-Reply-To: <007c01c53858$e1ac4c50$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BE757960.1FE9C%michael@michaelbutler.com>

NO! Martha is the daughter of Shelley Plimpton.

> her daughter is martha plimpton the actress
> if you call an office of SAG and ask for martha plimpton
> 
> or ascap may have a number or actors equity
> 212 869 8530
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charles Preston
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:21 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
> 
> 
> Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what is she
> doing.
> 
> Peace, Love, Grace & Blessings ~~Charles~~
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  3 07:50:00 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sun Apr  3 07:52:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
Message-ID: <BAY104-F131CE6B49F95C561FBB666B23A0@phx.gbl>

Re: Sally Eaton/Martha Plimpton

Martha Plimpton is not Sally Eaton's daughter, but the daughter of Shelley 
Plimpton and Keith Carradine. Sally had a son, not too long into the 
Broadway run, who is the reason that the character Jeanie is pregnant.

I remember when Shelley was pregnant with Martha (who we used to call Bunky, 
and who I used to sometimes baby-sit for in Dressing Room #1 during the show 
- weren't you sometimes there, Doris?) it gave new meaning to some of the 
lyrics of Frank Mills..."But unfortunately, I lost his address..."

Nina

The Hair Archives
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Apr  3 07:54:48 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Apr  3 07:57:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
References: <BAY104-F131CE6B49F95C561FBB666B23A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00cb01c5385d$154b7d70$6e436c42@hotprojects>

sorry whoops
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Question


> Re: Sally Eaton/Martha Plimpton
>
> Martha Plimpton is not Sally Eaton's daughter, but the daughter of Shelley
> Plimpton and Keith Carradine. Sally had a son, not too long into the
> Broadway run, who is the reason that the character Jeanie is pregnant.
>
> I remember when Shelley was pregnant with Martha (who we used to call
Bunky,
> and who I used to sometimes baby-sit for in Dressing Room #1 during the
show
> - weren't you sometimes there, Doris?) it gave new meaning to some of the
> lyrics of Frank Mills..."But unfortunately, I lost his address..."
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Apr  3 07:55:19 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Apr  3 07:58:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
References: <BE757960.1FE9C%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <00d201c5385d$27ade930$6e436c42@hotprojects>

whoops sorry got confused lol
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Question


> NO! Martha is the daughter of Shelley Plimpton.
>
> > her daughter is martha plimpton the actress
> > if you call an office of SAG and ask for martha plimpton
> >
> > or ascap may have a number or actors equity
> > 212 869 8530
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Charles Preston
> > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:21 PM
> > Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what
is she
> > doing.
> >
> > Peace, Love, Grace & Blessings ~~Charles~~
> >
> >
>
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> >
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> >
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Apr  3 07:55:58 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Apr  3 07:58:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] after awhile it all kind of melds lol
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From djbrook at hevanet.com  Sun Apr  3 12:51:07 2005
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Sun Apr  3 15:55:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
References: <BAY104-F131CE6B49F95C561FBB666B23A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004201c53886$7ab6ca60$64153dc0@djb>

Nina wrote:

>> I remember when Shelley was pregnant with Martha (who we used to call
Bunky,
> and who I used to sometimes baby-sit for in Dressing Room #1 during the
show
> - weren't you sometimes there, Doris?) it gave new meaning to some of the
> lyrics of Frank Mills..."But unfortunately, I lost his address..."
>

Yes, I remember, Nina.  She was an incredibly cute and sweet-natured baby,
and I remember also holding her in the back of the orchestra  by the steps,
but she'd have to be taken out for "Frank Mills" because, of course, she'd
cry when she saw Shelley...


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Apr  3 19:28:53 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Apr  3 16:31:59 2005
Subject: Further on Re: [Mb-hair] Question
In-Reply-To: <004201c53886$7ab6ca60$64153dc0@djb>
Message-ID: <BE75F475.1FEC6%michael@michaelbutler.com>

It is so nice to read of such memories of a special time and circumstance.
XO Michael

> Nina wrote:
> 
>>> I remember when Shelley was pregnant with Martha (who we used to call
> Bunky,
>> and who I used to sometimes baby-sit for in Dressing Room #1 during the
> show
>> - weren't you sometimes there, Doris?) it gave new meaning to some of the
>> lyrics of Frank Mills..."But unfortunately, I lost his address..."
>> 
> 
> Yes, I remember, Nina.  She was an incredibly cute and sweet-natured baby,
> and I remember also holding her in the back of the orchestra  by the steps,
> but she'd have to be taken out for "Frank Mills" because, of course, she'd
> cry when she saw Shelley...
> 
> 
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From giddiupcsk at cox.net  Sun Apr  3 18:31:29 2005
From: giddiupcsk at cox.net (giddiupcsk)
Date: Mon Apr  4 03:53:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] tribe member remembers
References: <f04310100be6ba0e7b2ba@[165.247.46.59]>
	<424617D9.2030909@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c538b6$070fb380$12e5e444@ph.cox.net>

  Hello Bill.  It's Susie Marn from the tour.  Please reply and let me know
how kind the years have been to you.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "William Swiggard" <swiggard@comcast.net>
  To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
  Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 7:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] tribe member remembers


  > WOW!!!
  > Welcome, Debbie!
  > It's wonderful to have you among us.  Have fun looking around - there is
  > a ton of great stuff here, and the Archive is always looking for more.
  > Personally, I will always remember your outstanding performances as
  > Crissy.  You played and sang that role just right - and your Frank Mills
  > is still the one I compare others to.  I am delighted to hear that you
  > are still performing.  As for reuniting - perhaps you could link up with
  > some of us in Bridgeport, CT, where a superb production directed by
  > Julie Arenal is running (weekends through May 21)? If not there, then
  > somewhere else, some time soon, I hope.
  > Would love to share memories.
  > Love,
  > Bill
  >
  > Andrews/Blaxill wrote:
  >
  > > Hello Fellow Tribe,
  > >
  > > I found the Hair Archives & saw all these cool pictures of old friends
  > > & emailed & found Nina & she told me about this site -  I want to say
  > > Hi to everybody -  Debbie Andrews, here, I did the show in Detroit,
  > > then the Jupiter tour, Wash DC and Broadway ('71)  Crissy -
  > >
  > > I was reading some of the posts and cracking up about what Woof did or
  > > didn't say before he sang "Sodomy" I thought there's only a handful of
  > > people who would be interested in that and I'm definitely one of
  > > them!  It's definitely cool to be talking to you guys - we share some
  > > of the same hard-wiring in terms of lyrics & dialogue.
  > >
  > > I'm in NYC on the upper west side - is anyone in NYC?  All these
  > > memories are coming up - I think I did the NYC show with Robin
  > > McNamara  as Claude as well as Bill Swiggert ( Hi, Bill)  Sorry if I'm
  > > wrong - didn't Robin have a hit song on the radio? I always felt
  > > surrounded by just the most amazing talent!!
  > >
  > > I also loved the post about doing Hair again with original tribes - so
  > > true about the passion & truth & holy goofines of old hippies - we're
  > > too young for senior citizen homes - i think the setting could be in
  > > the park  like alot of the show- anyway I'm determined to be in an
  > > Aquarius circle once more before I leave the planet -
  > >
  > > Hope you are all well I'm up for all reunions musical or otherwise -
  > > hey, does anyone remember the concert we did for McGovern in Wash DC
  > > in '72?  Kurt Vonnegut was there...  I could go on..
  > > Much peace & love to all of you we share an amazing thing.
  > >
  > > BIG  KISS
  > > Debbie Andrews
  > > _______________________________________________
  > > Mb-hair mailing list
  > > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
  > > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
  > >
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Mon Apr  4 10:36:29 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Mon Apr  4 10:39:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Sally Eaton
Message-ID: <123010-2200541417362964@M2W073.mail2web.com>

Hi Charles,

The last email address I have of Sally is

netwitch@earthlink.net

 try it!
(as a matter of fact, I'm sending her a copy of this message!)

I do have her New York street address too, from a few years ago 
and shall write to let her know you're looking to contact her

I'm not sure she would want that address generally given out...

but I let you know  her response
she does not write regularly...

 Love&Peace Dagmar


> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Charles Preston
> > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 3:21 PM
> > Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where is she at and
what
is she  doing.
> >
> > Peace, Love, Grace & Blessings ~~Charles~~


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From fotoblue at flash.net  Mon Apr  4 11:44:23 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Mon Apr  4 15:12:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
Message-ID: <109910-22005414184423779@M2W029.mail2web.com>

OOps, digging my way back through the pile of messages, I just now come
across this 
one

too late, since I did give out her email address. 
(sometimes clipping the messages in a thread doesn't work too well
either...)

Hope she'll forgive me, and please do not give it out to other lists etc.
I'm sure she'd like to hear from "hairy" friends and tribe members 
but doesn't want to get the sometimes associated spam...

Sally, you're getting a blind copy of this, please get in touch!
Love
Dagmar


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:19:56 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Question


Charles asks:

>Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what is 
>she doing.

Sally Eaton is very well. She asks that her email address not be given out, 
but if you send an email to her to my email address  dayton3@rcn.com and 
write in the subject line "Please forward to Sally Eaton" I will forward it 
on to her, and she can reply directly to you.

Sally is in the VH1 Hair Behind The Music documentary from a few years ago.

Nina

The Hair Archives
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Mon Apr  4 11:45:21 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Mon Apr  4 15:12:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
Message-ID: <20900-22005414184521346@M2W033.mail2web.com>

OOps, digging my way back through the pile of messages, I just now come
across this 
one

too late, since I did give out her email address. 
(sometimes clipping the messages in a thread doesn't work too well
either...)

Hope she'll forgive me, and please do not give it out to other lists etc.
I'm sure she'd like to hear from "hairy" friends and tribe members 
but doesn't want to get the sometimes associated spam...

Sally, you're getting a blind copy of this, please get in touch!
Love
Dagmar


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:19:56 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Question


Charles asks:

>Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what is 
>she doing.

Sally Eaton is very well. She asks that her email address not be given out, 
but if you send an email to her to my email address  dayton3@rcn.com and 
write in the subject line "Please forward to Sally Eaton" I will forward it 
on to her, and she can reply directly to you.

Sally is in the VH1 Hair Behind The Music documentary from a few years ago.

Nina

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr  4 16:32:37 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr  4 16:35:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
References: <20900-22005414184521346@M2W033.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <004b01c5396e$962a0850$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i  have an interesting question
does sally eaton still do shows?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton


OOps, digging my way back through the pile of messages, I just now come
across this
one

too late, since I did give out her email address.
(sometimes clipping the messages in a thread doesn't work too well
either...)

Hope she'll forgive me, and please do not give it out to other lists etc.
I'm sure she'd like to hear from "hairy" friends and tribe members
but doesn't want to get the sometimes associated spam...

Sally, you're getting a blind copy of this, please get in touch!
Love
Dagmar


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:19:56 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Question


Charles asks:

>Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what is
>she doing.

Sally Eaton is very well. She asks that her email address not be given out,
but if you send an email to her to my email address  dayton3@rcn.com and
write in the subject line "Please forward to Sally Eaton" I will forward it
on to her, and she can reply directly to you.

Sally is in the VH1 Hair Behind The Music documentary from a few years ago.

Nina

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From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr  4 17:08:05 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Mon Apr  4 17:11:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
References: <20900-22005414184521346@M2W033.mail2web.com>
	<004b01c5396e$962a0850$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <021101c53973$8a9b1a10$4065fea9@Charles>

Hi Richard

Well no luck as yet, Im not letting go.

Peace & Blessings ~~ Charles~~

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
To: <fotoblue@flash.net>; <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton


>i  have an interesting question
> does sally eaton still do shows?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:45 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
>
>
> OOps, digging my way back through the pile of messages, I just now come
> across this
> one
>
> too late, since I did give out her email address.
> (sometimes clipping the messages in a thread doesn't work too well
> either...)
>
> Hope she'll forgive me, and please do not give it out to other lists etc.
> I'm sure she'd like to hear from "hairy" friends and tribe members
> but doesn't want to get the sometimes associated spam...
>
> Sally, you're getting a blind copy of this, please get in touch!
> Love
> Dagmar
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:19:56 +0000
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Question
>
>
> Charles asks:
>
>>Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what is
>>she doing.
>
> Sally Eaton is very well. She asks that her email address not be given 
> out,
> but if you send an email to her to my email address  dayton3@rcn.com and
> write in the subject line "Please forward to Sally Eaton" I will forward 
> it
> on to her, and she can reply directly to you.
>
> Sally is in the VH1 Hair Behind The Music documentary from a few years 
> ago.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
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From sherwin at aceross.com  Mon Apr  4 19:11:49 2005
From: sherwin at aceross.com (sherwin)
Date: Mon Apr  4 19:14:56 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
In-Reply-To: <004b01c5396e$962a0850$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20050405021155.1A8CD3880B2@gw01-bur.mroute.net>

Dear Sally,

I hope you get my message.....you helped me transform into Berger in 1989
with Robert Camuto and Barry Singer ...........You forever changed my life
and I will never forget you and your beauty.

I will never forget your recipe of fermenting the Valarium Root:)

I love you so much and need you to know how grateful I am to have had the
good fortune to meet you and work with you:)

Much Love......

Sherwin Ross 

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:33 PM
To: fotoblue@flash.net; mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton

i  have an interesting question
does sally eaton still do shows?
----- Original Message -----
From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton


OOps, digging my way back through the pile of messages, I just now come
across this
one

too late, since I did give out her email address.
(sometimes clipping the messages in a thread doesn't work too well
either...)

Hope she'll forgive me, and please do not give it out to other lists etc.
I'm sure she'd like to hear from "hairy" friends and tribe members
but doesn't want to get the sometimes associated spam...

Sally, you're getting a blind copy of this, please get in touch!
Love
Dagmar


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:19:56 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Question


Charles asks:

>Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what is
>she doing.

Sally Eaton is very well. She asks that her email address not be given out,
but if you send an email to her to my email address  dayton3@rcn.com and
write in the subject line "Please forward to Sally Eaton" I will forward it
on to her, and she can reply directly to you.

Sally is in the VH1 Hair Behind The Music documentary from a few years ago.

Nina

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr  4 19:33:36 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr  4 19:36:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
References: <20050405021155.1A8CD3880B2@gw01-bur.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <005701c53987$dec7c750$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i know like we all LOVE SALLY EATON RIGHT???
TOTALLY LIKE I WOULD LIKE TOTALLY DIE TO
HAVE LUNCH WITH HER ETC

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "sherwin" <sherwin@aceross.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 10:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton


> Dear Sally,
>
> I hope you get my message.....you helped me transform into Berger in 1989
> with Robert Camuto and Barry Singer ...........You forever changed my life
> and I will never forget you and your beauty.
>
> I will never forget your recipe of fermenting the Valarium Root:)
>
> I love you so much and need you to know how grateful I am to have had the
> good fortune to meet you and work with you:)
>
> Much Love......
>
> Sherwin Ross
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
> [mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 4:33 PM
> To: fotoblue@flash.net; mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
>
> i  have an interesting question
> does sally eaton still do shows?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:45 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
>
>
> OOps, digging my way back through the pile of messages, I just now come
> across this
> one
>
> too late, since I did give out her email address.
> (sometimes clipping the messages in a thread doesn't work too well
> either...)
>
> Hope she'll forgive me, and please do not give it out to other lists etc.
> I'm sure she'd like to hear from "hairy" friends and tribe members
> but doesn't want to get the sometimes associated spam...
>
> Sally, you're getting a blind copy of this, please get in touch!
> Love
> Dagmar
>
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:19:56 +0000
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Question
>
>
> Charles asks:
>
> >Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what is
> >she doing.
>
> Sally Eaton is very well. She asks that her email address not be given
out,
> but if you send an email to her to my email address  dayton3@rcn.com and
> write in the subject line "Please forward to Sally Eaton" I will forward
it
> on to her, and she can reply directly to you.
>
> Sally is in the VH1 Hair Behind The Music documentary from a few years
ago.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr  4 19:34:25 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr  4 19:37:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
References: <20900-22005414184521346@M2W033.mail2web.com>
	<004b01c5396e$962a0850$6e436c42@hotprojects>
	<021101c53973$8a9b1a10$4065fea9@Charles>
Message-ID: <006601c53987$fb987cd0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

good charles i love you will call in next 24 hours just running around
producing pimping etc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Preston" <cpreston1@bellsouth.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton


> Hi Richard
>
> Well no luck as yet, Im not letting go.
>
> Peace & Blessings ~~ Charles~~
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
> To: <fotoblue@flash.net>; <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
>
>
> >i  have an interesting question
> > does sally eaton still do shows?
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
> > To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 2:45 PM
> > Subject: [Mb-hair] PS to Sally Eaton
> >
> >
> > OOps, digging my way back through the pile of messages, I just now come
> > across this
> > one
> >
> > too late, since I did give out her email address.
> > (sometimes clipping the messages in a thread doesn't work too well
> > either...)
> >
> > Hope she'll forgive me, and please do not give it out to other lists
etc.
> > I'm sure she'd like to hear from "hairy" friends and tribe members
> > but doesn't want to get the sometimes associated spam...
> >
> > Sally, you're getting a blind copy of this, please get in touch!
> > Love
> > Dagmar
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
> > Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:19:56 +0000
> > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Question
> >
> >
> > Charles asks:
> >
> >>Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what
is
> >>she doing.
> >
> > Sally Eaton is very well. She asks that her email address not be given
> > out,
> > but if you send an email to her to my email address  dayton3@rcn.com and
> > write in the subject line "Please forward to Sally Eaton" I will forward
> > it
> > on to her, and she can reply directly to you.
> >
> > Sally is in the VH1 Hair Behind The Music documentary from a few years
> > ago.
> >
> > Nina
> >
> > The Hair Archives
> > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://mail2web.com/ .
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Apr  4 22:45:01 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Apr  4 22:48:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV15BBB92233A128E4DDAB6DAB3C0@phx.gbl>

Richard...

I have not read any of the reply e-mails yet if there are any (been away) so this may be a bit late to inform you but Martha is Shelly's (Plimpton) daughter NOT Sally Eaton's.

peace,
barbara

From grgolsorkhi at earthlink.net  Tue Apr  5 07:20:54 2005
From: grgolsorkhi at earthlink.net (Golsorkhi)
Date: Tue Apr  5 07:30:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder
In-Reply-To: <3a22ffe2253aa192ada292f910622cb9@thesamiis.com>
Message-ID: <200504051430.j35EUjPg010477@dune.islandtechnologies.net>


------ Forwarded Message
From: Samii Shahla <shahla@thesamiis.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:47:41 -0400
Subject: Important Reminder

?FYI

JUST A QUICK REMINDER......

  In a few weeks, cell phone numbers are being released to telemarketing

  companies and you will start to receive sale calls. You will be
charged for these calls.

  Call this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222 or go to :
https://www.donotcall.gov/Register/Reg.aspx

  It is the national DO NOT CALL list. It only takes a minute of your
time.

  It blocks your number for 5 years. Please pass this on to everyone you
know who doesn't want to be hassled.


------ End of Forwarded Message

From elizabethesquibel at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  6 17:06:32 2005
From: elizabethesquibel at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Esquibel)
Date: Wed Apr  6 17:09:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair Insane Diego
Message-ID: <BAY14-F7A27898A5FFEE968C678DBF3E0@phx.gbl>

Hi Nina!
We'll be thinking of all of you on the 9th. Can,t wait to compare notes.

Love and Peace
Elizabeth

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From fotoblue at flash.net  Thu Apr  7 12:30:24 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Thu Apr  7 12:34:02 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
Message-ID: <36910-22005447193024467@M2W072.mail2web.com>

HOAX??

This DONOTCALL list should have been put together last year.

 I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN BE CHARGED FOR A CALL YOU RECEIVE, 
 they would have to ask if you accept!!

Watch out, maybe there is a charge for the 888 call??
check with your phone company.

Dagmar


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Golsorkhi grgolsorkhi@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:20:54 -0500
To: michael@michaelbutler.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder



------ Forwarded Message
From: Samii Shahla <shahla@thesamiis.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:47:41 -0400
Subject: Important Reminder

?FYI

JUST A QUICK REMINDER......

  In a few weeks, cell phone numbers are being released to telemarketing

  companies and you will start to receive sale calls. You will be
charged for these calls.

  Call this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222 or go to :
https://www.donotcall.gov/Register/Reg.aspx

  It is the national DO NOT CALL list. It only takes a minute of your
time.

  It blocks your number for 5 years. Please pass this on to everyone you
know who doesn't want to be hassled.


------ End of Forwarded Message

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr  7 15:52:41 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr  7 12:56:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
In-Reply-To: <36910-22005447193024467@M2W072.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BE7B07C9.20159%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Maybe but I doubt it. I went through the drill and received back from a
.gov. I don't think they would spam.
Michael

> HOAX??
> 
> This DONOTCALL list should have been put together last year.
> 
> I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN BE CHARGED FOR A CALL YOU RECEIVE,
> they would have to ask if you accept!!
> 
> Watch out, maybe there is a charge for the 888 call??
> check with your phone company.
> 
> Dagmar
> 
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Golsorkhi grgolsorkhi@earthlink.net
> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:20:54 -0500
> To: michael@michaelbutler.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder
> 
> 
> 
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: Samii Shahla <shahla@thesamiis.com>
> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 17:47:41 -0400
> Subject: Important Reminder
> 
> ?FYI
> 
> JUST A QUICK REMINDER......
> 
> In a few weeks, cell phone numbers are being released to telemarketing
> 
> companies and you will start to receive sale calls. You will be
> charged for these calls.
> 
> Call this number from your cell phone 888-382-1222 or go to :
> https://www.donotcall.gov/Register/Reg.aspx
> 
> It is the national DO NOT CALL list. It only takes a minute of your
> time.
> 
> It blocks your number for 5 years. Please pass this on to everyone you
> know who doesn't want to be hassled.
> 
> 
> ------ End of Forwarded Message
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From martin at eayrs.com  Thu Apr  7 13:45:10 2005
From: martin at eayrs.com (Martin Eayrs)
Date: Thu Apr  7 13:48:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
Message-ID: <p06200727be7b49f54298@[192.168.1.2]>


Dagmar/Michael

we have had a spate of this kind of thing recently in the UK, and 
many Brits are a bit paranoid about it. Often someone leaves a phone 
number by email or voicemail - you call or call back and get either 
an answering machine or someone who speaks - or affects to speak - 
very poor English - the idea simply to keep you connected as long as 
possible at premium rate. And some premium rates can be VERY high.

Advice - never return calls unless you know the caller, and never 
click on links from unknown mails that might lead to spoof sites. 
And, Michael, I understand that the fact that you can see a URL in 
the address bar of the browser is no guarantee that you are 
necessarily on that site (go figure, it's beyond my skills).

i found a website at 
http://www.uscg.mil/Legal/la/topics/consumer_and_contract_matters/ms_phone_scam.html 
- assuming it's kosher ;-), maybe it'll be helpful. It does discuss 
888 numbers, among other things.

Best to you all

Martin

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr  7 17:13:02 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr  7 14:16:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
In-Reply-To: <p06200727be7b49f54298@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <BE7B1A9E.20172%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks,
Unfortunately Cara who runs truth check is away. However as I mentioned when
I entered my replies came from a .gov.
Michael

> 
> Dagmar/Michael
> 
> we have had a spate of this kind of thing recently in the UK, and
> many Brits are a bit paranoid about it. Often someone leaves a phone
> number by email or voicemail - you call or call back and get either
> an answering machine or someone who speaks - or affects to speak -
> very poor English - the idea simply to keep you connected as long as
> possible at premium rate. And some premium rates can be VERY high.
> 
> Advice - never return calls unless you know the caller, and never
> click on links from unknown mails that might lead to spoof sites.
> And, Michael, I understand that the fact that you can see a URL in
> the address bar of the browser is no guarantee that you are
> necessarily on that site (go figure, it's beyond my skills).
> 
> i found a website at
> http://www.uscg.mil/Legal/la/topics/consumer_and_contract_matters/ms_phone_sca
> m.html 
> - assuming it's kosher ;-), maybe it'll be helpful. It does discuss
> 888 numbers, among other things.
> 
> Best to you all
> 
> Martin
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From fotoblue at flash.net  Thu Apr  7 14:56:58 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Thu Apr  7 15:00:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
Message-ID: <290150-22005447215658187@M2W082.mail2web.com>

Thank you, Martin!
Hi Michael, I hope you won't get a huge phonebill. do check it!

Isn't it really a sad state of being, if one has to be suspicious of every
good-sounding 
offer sent through emails...

Nowadays  I read something and all sorts of bells and whistles go off
immediately.
 recently I had messages from several Banks, from eBay and PayPal. 
With some excuse or other of "updating information" , threatening
disruption of 
service, if you don't reply right away, and so on.
All pretending to be the geniune item, complete with logos etc, but if you
look at the 
source of the message, you realize that the link they offer leads somewhere
else 
entirely.
DON'T EVER CLICK ON ANY LINK in an email from somebody you don't know.
Martin is right, it SEEMS to lead somewhere, but that's not necessarily
where it's 
going.

 Go to the respective website and search there.

 I report all these emails - although it is a bother and takes time - 
they want the total message, Subject intact, with complete "headers" 
forwarded to them, the legit company. 
And for good measure I send everything to abuse@yahoo.com
(Yahoo is my provider). you should send it to abuse@your provider. 
They check things out and let you know...

OK, enough for now

Cheers, and Hugs
 Dagmar
http://www.dagmarfoto.com


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Eayrs martin@eayrs.com
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:45:10 +0100
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??



Dagmar/Michael

we have had a spate of this kind of thing recently in the UK, and 
many Brits are a bit paranoid about it. Often someone leaves a phone 
number by email or voicemail - you call or call back and get either 
an answering machine or someone who speaks - or affects to speak - 
very poor English - the idea simply to keep you connected as long as 
possible at premium rate. And some premium rates can be VERY high.

Advice - never return calls unless you know the caller, and never 
click on links from unknown mails that might lead to spoof sites. 
And, Michael, I understand that the fact that you can see a URL in 
the address bar of the browser is no guarantee that you are 
necessarily on that site (go figure, it's beyond my skills).

i found a website at 
http://www.uscg.mil/Legal/la/topics/consumer_and_contract_matters/
ms_phone_scam.html 
- assuming it's kosher ;-), maybe it'll be helpful. It does discuss 
888 numbers, among other things.

Best to you all

Martin

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From martin at eayrs.com  Thu Apr  7 15:11:52 2005
From: martin at eayrs.com (Martin Eayrs)
Date: Thu Apr  7 15:15:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Time Zones
Message-ID: <p06200729be7b5dcee9bb@[192.168.1.2]>


Having drunk deeply from a particularly pleasing Chardonnay this 
evening I was a little confused by the fact that on the MB-Hair 
website (where I sometimes read mails as I am in Digest mode and 
otherwise have to wait) my postings, set to appear in so-called 
chronological order, were appearing before those I was replying too.

Too much wine, I thought, especially when Dagmar's last post replying 
to mine also appeared before Michael's which I had originally replied 
to. (Some of you may by now still be with me, or struggling, but hang 
on in )

Then through the haze of white wine came the realisation - time 
zones. Having set the web page to list postings by date, the software 
does just that, taking its information from the message headings as 
posted.

So, slightly disappointed, I deduce that Dagmar, like me, is this 
side of the Great Divide. And that we can use this rough instruemnt 
to see just where list members are at any given moment.

As I return to my Chardonnay, i thought I would share this with you. 
For what it is worth.

Martin

From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Thu Apr  7 15:31:06 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Thu Apr  7 15:34:16 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
In-Reply-To: <36910-22005447193024467@M2W072.mail2web.com>
References: <36910-22005447193024467@M2W072.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <1112913066.4255b4aa17a38@208.179.130.20>

Quoting "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>:

> HOAX??
>
> This DONOTCALL list should have been put together last year.
>
>  I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN BE CHARGED FOR A CALL YOU RECEIVE,
>  they would have to ask if you accept!!
>
> Watch out, maybe there is a charge for the 888 call??
> check with your phone company.

Yet again another story that's been posted without checking Snopes
first....although this one is most likely true, as you can see at this link:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/cell411.asp

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr  7 19:20:56 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr  7 16:24:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Time Zones
In-Reply-To: <p06200729be7b5dcee9bb@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <BE7B3898.20185%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Without benefit of Chardonnay-my taste tending in other substances I confess
to be missing the point. That is probably as I gave trying to sort out time
zones, particularly as I travel so much. I am now in NYC.
Also I found that many don't set their clocks.
Sometimes I wonder if the email software keeps track. The other I saw on
Civic that an email of mine was at 735AM. It had been sent around 9AM.
Michael

> 
> Having drunk deeply from a particularly pleasing Chardonnay this
> evening I was a little confused by the fact that on the MB-Hair
> website (where I sometimes read mails as I am in Digest mode and
> otherwise have to wait) my postings, set to appear in so-called
> chronological order, were appearing before those I was replying too.
> 
> Too much wine, I thought, especially when Dagmar's last post replying
> to mine also appeared before Michael's which I had originally replied
> to. (Some of you may by now still be with me, or struggling, but hang
> on in )
> 
> Then through the haze of white wine came the realisation - time
> zones. Having set the web page to list postings by date, the software
> does just that, taking its information from the message headings as
> posted.
> 
> So, slightly disappointed, I deduce that Dagmar, like me, is this
> side of the Great Divide. And that we can use this rough instruemnt
> to see just where list members are at any given moment.
> 
> As I return to my Chardonnay, i thought I would share this with you.
> For what it is worth.
> 
> Martin
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr  7 19:36:10 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr  7 16:39:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
In-Reply-To: <290150-22005447215658187@M2W082.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BE7B3C2A.2018C%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Well, as Ian (one of our Editors) says
-- As the saying goes: "if you are not paranoid, you are not paying
attention." Ian



> Thank you, Martin!
> Hi Michael, I hope you won't get a huge phonebill. do check it!
> 
> Isn't it really a sad state of being, if one has to be suspicious of every
> good-sounding 
> offer sent through emails...
> 
> Nowadays  I read something and all sorts of bells and whistles go off
> immediately.
> recently I had messages from several Banks, from eBay and PayPal.
> With some excuse or other of "updating information" , threatening
> disruption of 
> service, if you don't reply right away, and so on.
> All pretending to be the geniune item, complete with logos etc, but if you
> look at the 
> source of the message, you realize that the link they offer leads somewhere
> else 
> entirely.
> DON'T EVER CLICK ON ANY LINK in an email from somebody you don't know.
> Martin is right, it SEEMS to lead somewhere, but that's not necessarily
> where it's 
> going.
> 
> Go to the respective website and search there.
> 
> I report all these emails - although it is a bother and takes time -
> they want the total message, Subject intact, with complete "headers"
> forwarded to them, the legit company.
> And for good measure I send everything to abuse@yahoo.com
> (Yahoo is my provider). you should send it to abuse@your provider.
> They check things out and let you know...
> 
> OK, enough for now
> 
> Cheers, and Hugs
> Dagmar
> http://www.dagmarfoto.com
> 
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Martin Eayrs martin@eayrs.com
> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:45:10 +0100
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
> 
> 
> 
> Dagmar/Michael
> 
> we have had a spate of this kind of thing recently in the UK, and
> many Brits are a bit paranoid about it. Often someone leaves a phone
> number by email or voicemail - you call or call back and get either
> an answering machine or someone who speaks - or affects to speak -
> very poor English - the idea simply to keep you connected as long as
> possible at premium rate. And some premium rates can be VERY high.
> 
> Advice - never return calls unless you know the caller, and never
> click on links from unknown mails that might lead to spoof sites.
> And, Michael, I understand that the fact that you can see a URL in
> the address bar of the browser is no guarantee that you are
> necessarily on that site (go figure, it's beyond my skills).
> 
> i found a website at
> http://www.uscg.mil/Legal/la/topics/consumer_and_contract_matters/
> ms_phone_scam.html
> - assuming it's kosher ;-), maybe it'll be helpful. It does discuss
> 888 numbers, among other things.
> 
> Best to you all
> 
> Martin
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Apr  7 16:41:20 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Apr  7 16:44:44 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
References: <BE7B3C2A.2018C%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <005801c53bcb$4d0d14f0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i think you need some weed michael
nothing helps jet lag etc like weed
and if it doesnt at least youre stoned
( rolls another )
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??


> Well, as Ian (one of our Editors) says
> -- As the saying goes: "if you are not paranoid, you are not paying
> attention." Ian
>
>
>
> > Thank you, Martin!
> > Hi Michael, I hope you won't get a huge phonebill. do check it!
> >
> > Isn't it really a sad state of being, if one has to be suspicious of
every
> > good-sounding
> > offer sent through emails...
> >
> > Nowadays  I read something and all sorts of bells and whistles go off
> > immediately.
> > recently I had messages from several Banks, from eBay and PayPal.
> > With some excuse or other of "updating information" , threatening
> > disruption of
> > service, if you don't reply right away, and so on.
> > All pretending to be the geniune item, complete with logos etc, but if
you
> > look at the
> > source of the message, you realize that the link they offer leads
somewhere
> > else
> > entirely.
> > DON'T EVER CLICK ON ANY LINK in an email from somebody you don't know.
> > Martin is right, it SEEMS to lead somewhere, but that's not necessarily
> > where it's
> > going.
> >
> > Go to the respective website and search there.
> >
> > I report all these emails - although it is a bother and takes time -
> > they want the total message, Subject intact, with complete "headers"
> > forwarded to them, the legit company.
> > And for good measure I send everything to abuse@yahoo.com
> > (Yahoo is my provider). you should send it to abuse@your provider.
> > They check things out and let you know...
> >
> > OK, enough for now
> >
> > Cheers, and Hugs
> > Dagmar
> > http://www.dagmarfoto.com
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Martin Eayrs martin@eayrs.com
> > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:45:10 +0100
> > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
> >
> >
> >
> > Dagmar/Michael
> >
> > we have had a spate of this kind of thing recently in the UK, and
> > many Brits are a bit paranoid about it. Often someone leaves a phone
> > number by email or voicemail - you call or call back and get either
> > an answering machine or someone who speaks - or affects to speak -
> > very poor English - the idea simply to keep you connected as long as
> > possible at premium rate. And some premium rates can be VERY high.
> >
> > Advice - never return calls unless you know the caller, and never
> > click on links from unknown mails that might lead to spoof sites.
> > And, Michael, I understand that the fact that you can see a URL in
> > the address bar of the browser is no guarantee that you are
> > necessarily on that site (go figure, it's beyond my skills).
> >
> > i found a website at
> > http://www.uscg.mil/Legal/la/topics/consumer_and_contract_matters/
> > ms_phone_scam.html
> > - assuming it's kosher ;-), maybe it'll be helpful. It does discuss
> > 888 numbers, among other things.
> >
> > Best to you all
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> > http://mail2web.com/ .
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ace at aceross.com  Thu Apr  7 16:43:10 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Thu Apr  7 16:46:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
In-Reply-To: <005801c53bcb$4d0d14f0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20050407234320.3860311FC0F@lax-gw07.mroute.net>

 Richard....have you ever even taken an aspirin?

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:41 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??

i think you need some weed michael
nothing helps jet lag etc like weed
and if it doesnt at least youre stoned
( rolls another )
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??


> Well, as Ian (one of our Editors) says
> -- As the saying goes: "if you are not paranoid, you are not paying
> attention." Ian
>
>
>
> > Thank you, Martin!
> > Hi Michael, I hope you won't get a huge phonebill. do check it!
> >
> > Isn't it really a sad state of being, if one has to be suspicious of
every
> > good-sounding
> > offer sent through emails...
> >
> > Nowadays  I read something and all sorts of bells and whistles go off
> > immediately.
> > recently I had messages from several Banks, from eBay and PayPal.
> > With some excuse or other of "updating information" , threatening
> > disruption of
> > service, if you don't reply right away, and so on.
> > All pretending to be the geniune item, complete with logos etc, but if
you
> > look at the
> > source of the message, you realize that the link they offer leads
somewhere
> > else
> > entirely.
> > DON'T EVER CLICK ON ANY LINK in an email from somebody you don't know.
> > Martin is right, it SEEMS to lead somewhere, but that's not necessarily
> > where it's
> > going.
> >
> > Go to the respective website and search there.
> >
> > I report all these emails - although it is a bother and takes time -
> > they want the total message, Subject intact, with complete "headers"
> > forwarded to them, the legit company.
> > And for good measure I send everything to abuse@yahoo.com
> > (Yahoo is my provider). you should send it to abuse@your provider.
> > They check things out and let you know...
> >
> > OK, enough for now
> >
> > Cheers, and Hugs
> > Dagmar
> > http://www.dagmarfoto.com
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Martin Eayrs martin@eayrs.com
> > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:45:10 +0100
> > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
> >
> >
> >
> > Dagmar/Michael
> >
> > we have had a spate of this kind of thing recently in the UK, and
> > many Brits are a bit paranoid about it. Often someone leaves a phone
> > number by email or voicemail - you call or call back and get either
> > an answering machine or someone who speaks - or affects to speak -
> > very poor English - the idea simply to keep you connected as long as
> > possible at premium rate. And some premium rates can be VERY high.
> >
> > Advice - never return calls unless you know the caller, and never
> > click on links from unknown mails that might lead to spoof sites.
> > And, Michael, I understand that the fact that you can see a URL in
> > the address bar of the browser is no guarantee that you are
> > necessarily on that site (go figure, it's beyond my skills).
> >
> > i found a website at
> > http://www.uscg.mil/Legal/la/topics/consumer_and_contract_matters/
> > ms_phone_scam.html
> > - assuming it's kosher ;-), maybe it'll be helpful. It does discuss
> > 888 numbers, among other things.
> >
> > Best to you all
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> > http://mail2web.com/ .
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
> _______________________________________________
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Apr  7 16:55:38 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Thu Apr  7 16:59:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
References: <20050407234320.3860311FC0F@lax-gw07.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c53bcd$4c8d4bb0$1606ca44@CowBox>


I can't take aspirin it upsets my stomach, usually what I do when I get a 
stomach ache or  headache is 3 hits of good erb &  & it goes away.

Love forever
Robin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ace" <ace@aceross.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??


> Richard....have you ever even taken an aspirin?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
> [mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:41 PM
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
>
> i think you need some weed michael
> nothing helps jet lag etc like weed
> and if it doesnt at least youre stoned
> ( rolls another )
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
>
>
>> Well, as Ian (one of our Editors) says
>> -- As the saying goes: "if you are not paranoid, you are not paying
>> attention." Ian
>>
>>
>>
>> > Thank you, Martin!
>> > Hi Michael, I hope you won't get a huge phonebill. do check it!
>> >
>> > Isn't it really a sad state of being, if one has to be suspicious of
> every
>> > good-sounding
>> > offer sent through emails...
>> >
>> > Nowadays  I read something and all sorts of bells and whistles go off
>> > immediately.
>> > recently I had messages from several Banks, from eBay and PayPal.
>> > With some excuse or other of "updating information" , threatening
>> > disruption of
>> > service, if you don't reply right away, and so on.
>> > All pretending to be the geniune item, complete with logos etc, but if
> you
>> > look at the
>> > source of the message, you realize that the link they offer leads
> somewhere
>> > else
>> > entirely.
>> > DON'T EVER CLICK ON ANY LINK in an email from somebody you don't know.
>> > Martin is right, it SEEMS to lead somewhere, but that's not necessarily
>> > where it's
>> > going.
>> >
>> > Go to the respective website and search there.
>> >
>> > I report all these emails - although it is a bother and takes time -
>> > they want the total message, Subject intact, with complete "headers"
>> > forwarded to them, the legit company.
>> > And for good measure I send everything to abuse@yahoo.com
>> > (Yahoo is my provider). you should send it to abuse@your provider.
>> > They check things out and let you know...
>> >
>> > OK, enough for now
>> >
>> > Cheers, and Hugs
>> > Dagmar
>> > http://www.dagmarfoto.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Original Message:
>> > -----------------
>> > From: Martin Eayrs martin@eayrs.com
>> > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:45:10 +0100
>> > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> > Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dagmar/Michael
>> >
>> > we have had a spate of this kind of thing recently in the UK, and
>> > many Brits are a bit paranoid about it. Often someone leaves a phone
>> > number by email or voicemail - you call or call back and get either
>> > an answering machine or someone who speaks - or affects to speak -
>> > very poor English - the idea simply to keep you connected as long as
>> > possible at premium rate. And some premium rates can be VERY high.
>> >
>> > Advice - never return calls unless you know the caller, and never
>> > click on links from unknown mails that might lead to spoof sites.
>> > And, Michael, I understand that the fact that you can see a URL in
>> > the address bar of the browser is no guarantee that you are
>> > necessarily on that site (go figure, it's beyond my skills).
>> >
>> > i found a website at
>> > http://www.uscg.mil/Legal/la/topics/consumer_and_contract_matters/
>> > ms_phone_scam.html
>> > - assuming it's kosher ;-), maybe it'll be helpful. It does discuss
>> > 888 numbers, among other things.
>> >
>> > Best to you all
>> >
>> > Martin
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Mb-hair mailing list
>> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > mail2web - Check your email from the web at
>> > http://mail2web.com/ .
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Mb-hair mailing list
>> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr  7 20:09:18 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr  7 17:12:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael Butler's Blog
Message-ID: <BE7B43EE.20197%michael@michaelbutler.com>

The Sea Inside


http://www.michaelbutler.com/mbblog.html


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Apr  7 17:30:40 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Apr  7 17:33:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
References: <20050407234320.3860311FC0F@lax-gw07.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <001c01c53bd2$31b16f10$6e436c42@hotprojects>

yes it improves the blood flow so i can appreciate my marijuana
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ace" <ace@aceross.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??


> Richard....have you ever even taken an aspirin?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
> [mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:41 PM
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
>
> i think you need some weed michael
> nothing helps jet lag etc like weed
> and if it doesnt at least youre stoned
> ( rolls another )
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
>
>
> > Well, as Ian (one of our Editors) says
> > -- As the saying goes: "if you are not paranoid, you are not paying
> > attention." Ian
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thank you, Martin!
> > > Hi Michael, I hope you won't get a huge phonebill. do check it!
> > >
> > > Isn't it really a sad state of being, if one has to be suspicious of
> every
> > > good-sounding
> > > offer sent through emails...
> > >
> > > Nowadays  I read something and all sorts of bells and whistles go off
> > > immediately.
> > > recently I had messages from several Banks, from eBay and PayPal.
> > > With some excuse or other of "updating information" , threatening
> > > disruption of
> > > service, if you don't reply right away, and so on.
> > > All pretending to be the geniune item, complete with logos etc, but if
> you
> > > look at the
> > > source of the message, you realize that the link they offer leads
> somewhere
> > > else
> > > entirely.
> > > DON'T EVER CLICK ON ANY LINK in an email from somebody you don't know.
> > > Martin is right, it SEEMS to lead somewhere, but that's not
necessarily
> > > where it's
> > > going.
> > >
> > > Go to the respective website and search there.
> > >
> > > I report all these emails - although it is a bother and takes time -
> > > they want the total message, Subject intact, with complete "headers"
> > > forwarded to them, the legit company.
> > > And for good measure I send everything to abuse@yahoo.com
> > > (Yahoo is my provider). you should send it to abuse@your provider.
> > > They check things out and let you know...
> > >
> > > OK, enough for now
> > >
> > > Cheers, and Hugs
> > > Dagmar
> > > http://www.dagmarfoto.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: Martin Eayrs martin@eayrs.com
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:45:10 +0100
> > > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > > Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dagmar/Michael
> > >
> > > we have had a spate of this kind of thing recently in the UK, and
> > > many Brits are a bit paranoid about it. Often someone leaves a phone
> > > number by email or voicemail - you call or call back and get either
> > > an answering machine or someone who speaks - or affects to speak -
> > > very poor English - the idea simply to keep you connected as long as
> > > possible at premium rate. And some premium rates can be VERY high.
> > >
> > > Advice - never return calls unless you know the caller, and never
> > > click on links from unknown mails that might lead to spoof sites.
> > > And, Michael, I understand that the fact that you can see a URL in
> > > the address bar of the browser is no guarantee that you are
> > > necessarily on that site (go figure, it's beyond my skills).
> > >
> > > i found a website at
> > > http://www.uscg.mil/Legal/la/topics/consumer_and_contract_matters/
> > > ms_phone_scam.html
> > > - assuming it's kosher ;-), maybe it'll be helpful. It does discuss
> > > 888 numbers, among other things.
> > >
> > > Best to you all
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mb-hair mailing list
> > > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> > >
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> > > http://mail2web.com/ .
> > >
> > >
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Thu Apr  7 22:07:07 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Thu Apr  7 22:10:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Time Zones
Message-ID: <222010-22005458577886@M2W099.mail2web.com>

Very funny, Martin.
;-)

 And yes, I'm in Arizona, the one State where they don't change the clocks
for 
summer-time (or winter).

Which means that at this point we're 3 hours behind New York.
I'm not sure of the Calif difference right now? Senior moment, yikes. 
Are our clocks an hour apart or  same time in summer?

It gets more complicated with Europe. We've had nice little calls at 4am, 
from friends thinking we're just having our afternoon coffee...

right time difference (8 or 9 hours) wrong direction!
and often I have to write "good morning", as I'm turning the computer off
to go to sleep.

Possible trivia quiz?
It would be interesting to check how many time zones the Tribe traverses.
And if at least one HAIR alumnus is awake at any time of day or night.


Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Eayrs martin@eayrs.com
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 23:11:52 +0100
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Time Zones



Having drunk deeply from a particularly pleasing Chardonnay this 
evening I was a little confused by the fact that on the MB-Hair 
website (where I sometimes read mails as I am in Digest mode and 
otherwise have to wait) my postings, set to appear in so-called 
chronological order, were appearing before those I was replying too.

Too much wine, I thought, especially when Dagmar's last post replying 
to mine also appeared before Michael's which I had originally replied 
to. (Some of you may by now still be with me, or struggling, but hang 
on in )

Then through the haze of white wine came the realisation - time 
zones. Having set the web page to list postings by date, the software 
does just that, taking its information from the message headings as 
posted.

So, slightly disappointed, I deduce that Dagmar, like me, is this 
side of the Great Divide. And that we can use this rough instruemnt 
to see just where list members are at any given moment.

As I return to my Chardonnay, i thought I would share this with you. 
For what it is worth.

Martin

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From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr  8 08:31:31 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Fri Apr  8 08:34:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Good Morning
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From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Fri Apr  8 09:17:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FT.com / Comment & analysis / Columnists - Richard A.
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Apr  8 09:26:52 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Apr  8 09:30:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Good Morning
References: <01b401c53c50$0a54ff80$4065fea9@Charles>
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Apr  8 12:43:09 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Apr  8 12:46:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV2101FAFBCCEDC7D6B57EEAAB3F0@phx.gbl>

Ha ha ha I love you guys....Ace, Robin, Michael, Martin  and yes sometimes even you Richard.... :-))

peace,
barbara
From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Apr  8 12:58:59 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Apr  8 13:02:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
References: <BAY5-DAV2101FAFBCCEDC7D6B57EEAAB3F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009b01c53c75$67ea5da0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

even me?
lol
i must be really quite the beast to rattle the hair tribe
just think of me as jerry ragnis stand in
lol
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??


Ha ha ha I love you guys....Ace, Robin, Michael, Martin  and yes sometimes
even you Richard.... :-))

peace,
barbara
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Apr  8 13:02:37 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Apr  8 13:05:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] i think at this pt julies got to be her own director
Message-ID: <001601c53c75$e98e3b60$6e436c42@hotprojects>

she is such a dominant personality that i really cant see her working under someone anymore
and im sure she did an excellent excellent job
who knows her better than her?
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Apr  8 13:04:33 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Apr  8 13:07:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] i just realized something
Message-ID: <002c01c53c76$2f11cb70$6e436c42@hotprojects>

julie and sharmagne resemble each other
i think
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Apr  8 15:21:41 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Apr  8 15:24:59 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] IC3 - Internet Crime Complaint Center
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV30D3F9E2D9FF1EE5015466AB3F0@phx.gbl>

For anyone to use regarding "Internet Fraud" there is a place to report it on this page...

peace,
barbara

Barbara Siomos <barbarasiomos38@msn.com> has sent you the following web link:

http://www.ic3.gov/


From elizabethesquibel at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  8 17:30:19 2005
From: elizabethesquibel at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Esquibel)
Date: Fri Apr  8 17:33:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY14-F827DF3C89FE8CA44C9EF0BF300@phx.gbl>



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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Apr  8 23:15:00 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Apr  8 23:18:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] im horrible im a beast
Message-ID: <000801c53ccb$768013e0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

everybody says so it must be true - george bernard shaw

ps

oh donna oh oh donna...............
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Apr  8 23:20:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] who was it
Message-ID: <001301c53ccb$c9bde460$6e436c42@hotprojects>

who taught me how to rebel???????

( sounding like the frankenstein experiment )

i shall go to bed before i get myself in real trouble
love to you all
now i see why jerry was so misunderstood
lol lol lol

love and peace to all
night night

richard haase
( the next generation of enfant terrible )
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Apr  8 23:23:08 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] enjoy julie tomorrow guys
Message-ID: <002b01c53ccc$21827580$6e436c42@hotprojects>

please give her all my love
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Apr  9 11:40:28 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Apr  9 08:44:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tony Foutz Sent This
Message-ID: <BE7D6FAC.202A0%michael@michaelbutler.com>

a  message from George carlin (whose wife recently died):

the paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but
shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. we spend more,
but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. we have bigger houses and
smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. we have more degrees
but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more
problems, more medicine, but less wellness.

we drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little,
drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, read too
little, watch tv too much, and pray too seldom.

we have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our
values. we talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often.

we've learned how to make a living, but not a life. we've added years to
life not life to years. we've been all the way to the moon and back, but
have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. we conquered outer
space but not inner space. we've done larger things, but not better things.

we've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. we've conquered the atom,
but not our prejudice. we write more, but learn less. we plan more, but
accomplish less. we've learned to rush, but not to wait. we build more
computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but
we communicate less and less.

these are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small
character, steep profits and shallow relationships. these are the days of
two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. these are
days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night
stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to
quiet, to kill. it is a time when there is much in the showroom window and
nothing in the stockroom. a time when technology can bring this letter to
you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to
just hit delete.

remember, spend some time with your loved ones because they are not going
to be around forever.

remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because
that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.

remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you,
because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it
doesn't cost a cent.

remember, to say, "i love you" to your partner and your loved ones, but
most of all mean it. a kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes
from deep inside of you.

remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for
someday that person will not be there again.

give time to love, give time to speak, and give time to share the precious
thoughts in your mind.

and always remember:

life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
that take our breath away.

if you don't send this to at least 8 people.....who cares?

george carlin






From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  9 14:10:24 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Sat Apr  9 14:13:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael Butler's Blog
In-Reply-To: <BE7B43EE.20197%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F216F644A87EFF16D2C686AB4300@phx.gbl>

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From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Sat Apr  9 15:05:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Important Reminder - or a HOAX??
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From debbie-bennett at comcast.net  Sat Apr  9 14:51:30 2005
From: debbie-bennett at comcast.net (Debbie Bennett)
Date: Sun Apr 10 08:17:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Tony Foutz Sent This
In-Reply-To: <BE7D6FAC.202A0%michael@michaelbutler.com>
References: <BE7D6FAC.202A0%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <200504101517.j3AFHmoU002102@dune.islandtechnologies.net>

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/paradox.asp

Hey Michael,

I've read this before and just thought we should give credit where 
credit is due.  George Carlin did not, in fact, pen this very 
insightful piece.  Click on the above link to find out where it 
originated.

Thanks for all of your forwards.  They are indeed thought provoking.

Hope you are well.

Debbie


On Apr 9, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Michael Butler wrote:

> a  message from George carlin (whose wife recently died):
>
> the paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but
> shorter tempers, wider freeways, but narrower viewpoints. we spend 
> more,
> but have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. we have bigger houses and
> smaller families, more conveniences, but less time. we have more 
> degrees
> but less sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet 
> more
> problems, more medicine, but less wellness.
>
> we drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too 
> little,
> drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tired, 
> read too
> little, watch tv too much, and pray too seldom.
>
> we have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our
> values. we talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often.
>
> we've learned how to make a living, but not a life. we've added years 
> to
> life not life to years. we've been all the way to the moon and back, 
> but
> have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. we conquered 
> outer
> space but not inner space. we've done larger things, but not better 
> things.
>
> we've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. we've conquered the 
> atom,
> but not our prejudice. we write more, but learn less. we plan more, but
> accomplish less. we've learned to rush, but not to wait. we build more
> computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, 
> but
> we communicate less and less.
>
> these are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small
> character, steep profits and shallow relationships. these are the days 
> of
> two incomes but more divorce, fancier houses, but broken homes. these 
> are
> days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night
> stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to
> quiet, to kill. it is a time when there is much in the showroom window 
> and
> nothing in the stockroom. a time when technology can bring this letter 
> to
> you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to
> just hit delete.
>
> remember, spend some time with your loved ones because they are not 
> going
> to be around forever.
>
> remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, 
> because
> that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.
>
> remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you,
> because that is the only treasure you can give with your heart and it
> doesn't cost a cent.
>
> remember, to say, "i love you" to your partner and your loved ones, but
> most of all mean it. a kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes
> from deep inside of you.
>
> remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for
> someday that person will not be there again.
>
> give time to love, give time to speak, and give time to share the 
> precious
> thoughts in your mind.
>
> and always remember:
>
> life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the 
> moments
> that take our breath away.
>
> if you don't send this to at least 8 people.....who cares?
>
> george carlin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Prayer does not fit us for greater works; prayer is the greater work." 
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From venuetheatre at juno.com  Sun Apr 10 13:26:46 2005
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (venuetheatre@juno.com)
Date: Sun Apr 10 13:33:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
Message-ID: <20050410.162852.3852.2.venuetheatre@juno.com>

Hello all

So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, and
I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............

JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!

Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
if anyone has been looking for him.

God I love this business.

Corinne

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The Studio is at 9125 US 19 N, Pinellas Park (at Mainlands Blvd.)
727-822-6194  cell  727-656-8525
From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Apr 10 13:42:39 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Apr 10 13:46:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV19F1E1A46F963E54ADD4AAAB310@phx.gbl>

What great news and great sharing... :-))

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: venuetheatre@juno.com
Sent: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:26:46 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere

Hello all

So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, and
I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............

JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!

Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
if anyone has been looking for him.

God I love this business.

Corinne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
Venue Theatre is a not for profit 501(c)(3) Corporation.  Our office is
located at  5124 Ninth Avenue N, St Petersburg, FL 33710
The Studio is at 9125 US 19 N, Pinellas Park (at Mainlands Blvd.)
727-822-6194  cell  727-656-8525
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Apr 10 19:47:43 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Apr 10 16:51:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR in Bridgeport
Message-ID: <BE7F335F.20334%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Friends,
As you know I am not a critic. I have few artistic pretensions. I have a
duty to write what I saw.
If you want a good HAIR fix go see this show. It is a lovely version of
HAIR. Sure I can find some things I would slightly alter. Over all it is the
best version I have seen in a long time.
Julie Arenal deserves great praise. I gather that Wesley Fata helped in a
really tough rehearsal period of 2 weeks. Well, I shudder at the thought of
putting HAIR together in such short time. The tribe is super and the venue
really friendly and loving.
We had a super group Nina, Trevor, Anne with Bill, Robert, Charles and
Debbie and Michael.
I am going to try to go again.
Michael
Peace and Love

From ace at aceross.com  Sun Apr 10 16:50:04 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sun Apr 10 16:53:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR in Bridgeport
In-Reply-To: <BE7F335F.20334%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20050410235010.9C68B1C25B@gw02-bur.mroute.net>

Darn....I wish I was there with you guys...I am plugging away on our
project...be safe , be well and much love,

Sherwin 

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 7:48 PM
To: HAIR List
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR in Bridgeport

Friends,
As you know I am not a critic. I have few artistic pretensions. I have a
duty to write what I saw.
If you want a good HAIR fix go see this show. It is a lovely version of
HAIR. Sure I can find some things I would slightly alter. Over all it is the
best version I have seen in a long time.
Julie Arenal deserves great praise. I gather that Wesley Fata helped in a
really tough rehearsal period of 2 weeks. Well, I shudder at the thought of
putting HAIR together in such short time. The tribe is super and the venue
really friendly and loving.
We had a super group Nina, Trevor, Anne with Bill, Robert, Charles and
Debbie and Michael.
I am going to try to go again.
Michael
Peace and Love

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From Shewiin at aceross.com  Sun Apr 10 18:04:08 2005
From: Shewiin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Sun Apr 10 18:07:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
Message-ID: <20050411010410.BEC521645A9@gw05-bur.mroute.net>

It took two days to learn..

 

I hope me sharing this with you may bring you joy and bring me work:-)

 

http://www.aceross.com/Commercialreel.wmv

 

Just teasing.

 

Much love

Sherwin Ross

www.across.com

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From jpzuehlke at prodigy.net  Mon Apr 11 02:51:04 2005
From: jpzuehlke at prodigy.net (John Zuehlke)
Date: Mon Apr 11 02:55:16 2005
Subject: [mb-hair] Seven Wonders
Message-ID: <002601c53e7b$fdb62780$bf807643@aoldsl.net>

Re: [Mb-hair] Seven Wonders


On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
posted:

>"A group of students were asked to list what they thought were the present Seven Wonders of the World. The following received the most votes:

1. Egypt's Great Pyramids
2. Taj Mahal
3. Grand Canyon
4. Panama Canal
5. Empire State Building
6. St. Peter's Basilica
7. China's Great Wall

While gathering the votes, the teacher noted that one student had not finished her paper yet. So she asked the girl if she was having trouble with her list.

The girl replied, "Yes, a little. I couldn't quite make up my mind because there were so many."

The teacher said, "Well, tell us what you have and maybe we can help.

The girl hesitated, then read, "I think the Seven Wonders of the World' are:

1. To See
2. To Hear
3. To Touch
4. To Taste
5. To Feel
6. To Laugh
7. And to Love <

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How lovely, and how true!

Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

John
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From jpzuehlke at prodigy.net  Mon Apr 11 03:55:56 2005
From: jpzuehlke at prodigy.net (John Zuehlke)
Date: Mon Apr 11 03:59:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Colored Spade at Santa Ana
Message-ID: <000a01c53e85$107c9620$bf807643@aoldsl.net>

Hi tribe,

I have a question for those of you who saw the Cucucuevez Tribe's production of HAiR in Santa Ana, California:

Did they sing "Colored Spade"?  The program lists the song, but Hebe and I (and a relative who saw the production twice!) are of the opinion that it was cut.  (Politically incorrect?)

Love to hear from anyone who believes it was performed.



Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

John
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 11 06:20:23 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Mon Apr 11 06:24:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR in Bridgeport
Message-ID: <BAY104-F420EE8635DF4D6513444AFB2320@phx.gbl>

Yes, it was another really wonderful evening in Bridgeport Saturday. As 
Michael said, they had a very brief rehearsal period, and it was interesting 
to see that, although they were extremely good a month ago when we first saw 
them, in the weeks since then they had clearly worked on deepening their 
performances and one could feel the closeness of their Tribe from the 
audience. Can't wait to see them again another month into their run. They 
are a wonderful tribe, very strong voices, and it is also very clear that 
many of them really "get it", and have been moved by the experience that 
they are having in this production. Many performances that were already good 
have moved up another notch to great. I am hoping that some of them will 
join us here on the list (Dennis...Liza...?) Very significant to me is that 
my 13 year old daughter Annie, who loves Hair a lot, but has seen it more 
times than most people ever will and is fairly blasé when the prospect of 
seeing it comes up, can't wait to go back and see this production yet again. 
When Robert suggested we get rush tickets next weekend and not wait until 
May 21 to see it again she was the first one to say "Yes, let do that! 
Pleeeese!"

It was a lovely evening, made even better by the company in our booths - 
especially wonderful was to see Debbie after all those years, and to meet 
her husband Mike - I so enjoyed watching the show with you two! Also great 
to finally meet you, Charles! And Donna Caporaso of Downtown Cabaret Theatre 
made the entire experience so much more wonderful - next time sit down and 
join us, Donna! And it is always so wonderful to see Hair with Michael, 
Robert, Bill, and Trevor.

We are all going back on May 21 (MB, I have a ticket for you) We are up to 
14 for that day, I believe. It would be great to make it more! Jeff - you 
better get there! :-)

Any reviews of San Diego Hair? Wasn't there a group going Saturday night?

Love,
Nina
The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 11 07:51:16 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 11 07:54:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR in Bridgeport
References: <BE7F335F.20334%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <00b501c53ea5$ea18ffc0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

mazel tov
i was going to ask how it went
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:47 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR in Bridgeport


> Friends,
> As you know I am not a critic. I have few artistic pretensions. I have a
> duty to write what I saw.
> If you want a good HAIR fix go see this show. It is a lovely version of
> HAIR. Sure I can find some things I would slightly alter. Over all it is
the
> best version I have seen in a long time.
> Julie Arenal deserves great praise. I gather that Wesley Fata helped in a
> really tough rehearsal period of 2 weeks. Well, I shudder at the thought
of
> putting HAIR together in such short time. The tribe is super and the venue
> really friendly and loving.
> We had a super group Nina, Trevor, Anne with Bill, Robert, Charles and
> Debbie and Michael.
> I am going to try to go again.
> Michael
> Peace and Love
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 11 07:52:35 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 11 07:56:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
References: <20050411010410.BEC521645A9@gw05-bur.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <010a01c53ea6$1963eec0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

very cute sherwin whats it for
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sherwin Ross 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:04 PM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


  It took two days to learn..

   

  I hope me sharing this with you may bring you joy and bring me workJ

   

  http://www.aceross.com/Commercialreel.wmv

   

  Just teasing.

   

  Much love

  Sherwin Ross

  www.across.com



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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 11 07:59:42 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 11 08:03:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Colored Spade at Santa Ana
References: <000a01c53e85$107c9620$bf807643@aoldsl.net>
Message-ID: <01f101c53ea7$17ca6d90$6e436c42@hotprojects>

what a shame
colored spade is my favorite number in the whole show
although one one ever did it like lamont washington for my money
and i had stanley ramsey
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Zuehlke 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:55 AM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Colored Spade at Santa Ana


  Hi tribe,

  I have a question for those of you who saw the Cucucuevez Tribe's production of HAiR in Santa Ana, California:

  Did they sing "Colored Spade"?  The program lists the song, but Hebe and I (and a relative who saw the production twice!) are of the opinion that it was cut.  (Politically incorrect?)

  Love to hear from anyone who believes it was performed.



  Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

  John



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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 11 08:04:28 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 11 08:07:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] whats more important is i heard people are cutting the
	nude scene
Message-ID: <02d101c53ea7$c225e0d0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

horrors
for me hair without the nude scene is like non alcoholic 
champagne
next production of it i do
im going to kick the nude scene up a notch in fact
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From ace at aceross.com  Mon Apr 11 08:30:45 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Mon Apr 11 08:34:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
In-Reply-To: <010a01c53ea6$1963eec0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20050411153053.9FD901C2AE@gw02-bur.mroute.net>

Thank You Richard,
 
It is some commercials I did that I have on video.
 
I bought a program that allows you to put it on your computer and turn it
into and AVI, MOV, WMV, ........
 
I would love to get some of the scenes from HAiR that I
preformed.........Nina and Robert have the tape, I gave mine to an agent
that never returned it.
 
Hope your day is awesome,
 
Sherwin

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:53 AM
To: Sherwin@aceross.com; mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


very cute sherwin whats it for

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Sherwin  <mailto:Shewiin@aceross.com> Ross 
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


It took two days to learn..

 

I hope me sharing this with you may bring you joy and bring me work:-)

 

http://www.aceross.com/Commercialreel.wmv

 

Just teasing.

 

Much love

Sherwin Ross

www.across.com



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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 11 09:01:35 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 11 09:05:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
References: <20050411153053.9FD901C2AE@gw02-bur.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <030001c53eaf$bc8c2ff0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

its really good sherwin
kudos
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ace 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:30 AM
  Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


  Thank You Richard,

  It is some commercials I did that I have on video.

  I bought a program that allows you to put it on your computer and turn it into and AVI, MOV, WMV, ........

  I would love to get some of the scenes from HAiR that I preformed.........Nina and Robert have the tape, I gave mine to an agent that never returned it.

  Hope your day is awesome,

  Sherwin



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  From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com [mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
  Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:53 AM
  To: Sherwin@aceross.com; mb-hair@islandlists.com
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


  very cute sherwin whats it for
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Sherwin Ross 
    To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
    Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:04 PM
    Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


    It took two days to learn..

     

    I hope me sharing this with you may bring you joy and bring me workJ

     

    http://www.aceross.com/Commercialreel.wmv

     

    Just teasing.

     

    Much love

    Sherwin Ross

    www.across.com



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From ace at aceross.com  Mon Apr 11 09:25:27 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Mon Apr 11 09:29:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
In-Reply-To: <030001c53eaf$bc8c2ff0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20050411162534.98FD3164611@gw05-bur.mroute.net>

Thank you!

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:02 AM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


its really good sherwin
kudos

----- Original Message ----- 
From: ace <mailto:ace@aceross.com>  
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........

Thank You Richard,
 
It is some commercials I did that I have on video.
 
I bought a program that allows you to put it on your computer and turn it
into and AVI, MOV, WMV, ........
 
I would love to get some of the scenes from HAiR that I
preformed.........Nina and Robert have the tape, I gave mine to an agent
that never returned it.
 
Hope your day is awesome,
 
Sherwin

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:53 AM
To: Sherwin@aceross.com; mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


very cute sherwin whats it for

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Sherwin  <mailto:Shewiin@aceross.com> Ross 
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


It took two days to learn..

 

I hope me sharing this with you may bring you joy and bring me work:-)

 

http://www.aceross.com/Commercialreel.wmv

 

Just teasing.

 

Much love

Sherwin Ross

www.across.com



  _____  




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http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair




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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 11 10:03:38 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Mon Apr 11 10:07:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] whats more important is i heard people are cutting
	thenude scene
In-Reply-To: <02d101c53ea7$c225e0d0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F3C7E74F88FA550A83EDDAB2320@phx.gbl>

Richard said:

>i heard people are cutting thenude scene

Many current productions do cut the nude scene, but many do not. In general 
(and there are exceptions to this) I would say it gets cut in all high 
school productions, and about 2/3 of community theater productions, and some 
college productions. Most equity or equity waiver productions keep it in, as 
do some community theater and a lot of college productions.

I prefer productions that include it, but for many productions (high school 
and community theatre) cutting it is the only way to get permission to do 
the show. I recall when Randy Bowser was directing the show the theater made 
him choose between having minors in his production (which he very much 
wanted to do) and doing the nude scene. In other cases theater companies 
allow minors in the production, but they can't take their clothes off. I 
can't recall if any of the minors on Broadway (WMH, Janet Powell, Debbie 
Andrews) did the nude scene or not.

Of the productions that keep it in, most place it where it was on Broadway 
(at the end of Where Do I Go?) but some move it, often to Walking in Space. 
Some make it as subtle as it was on Broadway, and others, as you say 
Richard, kick it up a notch.

Nina

The Hair Archives
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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 11 13:40:28 2005
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Mon Apr 11 13:44:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in San Diego
Message-ID: <20050411204029.80753.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Tribe,
 
Hair at UCSD in San Diego was fantastic!  
 
I was joined by Elizabeth Caveness and her wonderful son Jeremy. The performance we saw on Saturday was their 3rd and last. Students were in charge of the entire production and we all felt that they pretty much "got it."  Nothing was cut! Not even the nude scene! In fact, they slipped nakedness into a few other surprise places!  They did have a girl play Hud, yet a very talented young black man sang Colored Spade. She was good, but I would have preferred the young man totally handle the role. I'm not sure why the director chose to split the role. I was flattered when the director told me that before he started the project he chose to read Good Hair Days to get some background on the show. Everyone we spoke to in the cast was very moved by the show and didn't want it to end. Anyway, we all had a great time with a great bunch of kids. I'm sure Elizabeth may have more to add.
 
It sounds like we missed a super production in Bridgeport. If you go again, please give Julie my love. I leave Wednesday morning for 10 days in Italy. Maybe I'll run into another production of Hair over there ;).
 
Love ~ Jonathon
 
 


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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Apr 11 13:44:23 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Apr 11 13:47:56 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Last Blast for Thompson Ashes
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV10BE37C8C924FCCA9AD859AB320@phx.gbl>

Hunter Thompson will get his wish that his ashes be blasted from a cannon.. :-))

peace,
barbara

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http://entertainment.msn.com/celebs/article.aspx?news=187340


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Apr 11 16:52:40 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Apr 11 13:56:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in San Diego
In-Reply-To: <20050411204029.80753.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BE805BD8.203ED%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks Jonathon and have a great trip.
Michael

> Hi Tribe,
> 
> Hair at UCSD in San Diego was fantastic!
> 
> I was joined by Elizabeth Caveness and her wonderful son Jeremy. The
> performance we saw on Saturday was their 3rd and last. Students were in charge
> of the entire production and we all felt that they pretty much "got it."
> Nothing was cut! Not even the nude scene! In fact, they slipped nakedness into
> a few other surprise places!  They did have a girl play Hud, yet a very
> talented young black man sang Colored Spade. She was good, but I would have
> preferred the young man totally handle the role. I'm not sure why the director
> chose to split the role. I was flattered when the director told me that before
> he started the project he chose to read Good Hair Days to get some background
> on the show. Everyone we spoke to in the cast was very moved by the show and
> didn't want it to end. Anyway, we all had a great time with a great bunch of
> kids. I'm sure Elizabeth may have more to add.
> 
> It sounds like we missed a super production in Bridgeport. If you go again,
> please give Julie my love. I leave Wednesday morning for 10 days in Italy.
> Maybe I'll run into another production of Hair over there ;).
> 
> Love ~ Jonathon
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> HAIR, by Jonathon Johnson. For more information on the book and how to order
> it, visit www.goodhairdays.net. Visit our other websites at www.uversa.net and
> www.kidstherapyassociates.com.
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Apr 11 14:27:51 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Apr 11 14:31:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Breakfast With Hunter
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV2556E66F47B22F6A341D34AB320@phx.gbl>

Ha ha ha... I had to send this, Mr. Bad A__ himself.

peace,
barbara

Barbara Siomos <barbarasiomos38@msn.com> has sent you the following web link:

http://www.breakfastwithhunter.com/gallery_pop.asp?img=01


From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Apr 11 14:49:41 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Apr 11 14:53:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Last one for Hunter I promise...
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV7A956DAD30741622209CAAB320@phx.gbl>

A nice few words for Hunter, and a place to send memorial contributions IF one is so inclined.... Perhaps to help with the Cannon shoot, which is terribly expensive I am told.... :-)

peace,
barbara

Barbara Siomos <barbarasiomos38@msn.com> has sent you the following web link:

http://www.breakfastwithhunter.com/memoriam.asp


From songsters at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 11 15:34:50 2005
From: songsters at earthlink.net (Andrews/Blaxill)
Date: Mon Apr 11 15:38:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport
Message-ID: <f04310100be808c16a49f@[165.247.47.75]>

Hello Tribe,

Wanted to exclaim about Saturday in Bridgeport -  the show was really 
good - hadn't seen it since i did it - '70 - '71, but seeing it with 
people i did it with & MB was equally the big buzz for me!!

  We're watching the show & Robert  whispers "hey, remember how dirty 
the stage was by the second act? "  Oh, and the whole tribe was 
onstage for the flag song & I'm like " I don't remember that - wasn't 
it only Woof, Berger & third guy?"  -  it was great!  I got the same 
adrenaline high seeing it as i got from doing it.

Great to meet Nina & her family, and see Bill S, Robert , Charles P & 
MB of course - wow!
  And the nude scene - I was wondering - was it always that dark when 
we did it?  it felt much brighter onstage to me than what I saw on 
Saturday - gee, I would have been a little less self- conscious if I 
knew it was that dark!  Also, I can't tell if 30 years later it's 
just not that big a deal or .. it always felt like a big deal when we 
did it & the audience responded with this incredible intense 
stillness,  like they didn't  even move till way after the singing 
was done and we were gone - which I didn't sense seeing it Saturday. 
It's probably just the passage of time, alot of nakedness over the 
dam...

Anyway, funny note - I had never seen a naked man until I did the 
nude scene ( swear to God,  I'm not lying - Catholic school, dad was 
a cop., barely 16.....)  pretty funny?

Someone mentioned Stanley Ramsey - he was my first HUD !!- we were 
cast in Detroit - I loved that guy & miss him.
HAiR without nude scene like non - alcoholic champagne? too funny...

Bill, Robert, Nina - maybe MB  and more tribe - we're doing it again!!

Peace & Love to you all,
Debbie Andrews


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 11 15:42:31 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 11 15:46:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Breakfast With Hunter
References: <BAY5-DAV2556E66F47B22F6A341D34AB320@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008b01c53ee7$bf11f600$6e436c42@hotprojects>

OH LISTEN HAIR IS THE BEST EVER
SEEING IT AT 10 SENT ME ON MY WAY
THANK YOU MICHAEL
( that and hearing grace bumbry sing )
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
To: <mb-civic@islandlists.com>
Cc: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 5:27 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Breakfast With Hunter


Ha ha ha... I had to send this, Mr. Bad A__ himself.

peace,
barbara

Barbara Siomos <barbarasiomos38@msn.com> has sent you the following web
link:

http://www.breakfastwithhunter.com/gallery_pop.asp?img=01


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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 11 15:43:53 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 11 15:47:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] i cannot emphasize again the positive effects hair had on
	me
Message-ID: <00b201c53ee7$f02dfb80$6e436c42@hotprojects>

seeing it at 10 and 11
it was what made me be in media
and i shall be 47 this summer
greatest evening in the theater i ever spent ever
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From jlunger at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 11 16:51:55 2005
From: jlunger at earthlink.net (Jeff Lunger)
Date: Mon Apr 11 16:56:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Bridgeport Hair
Message-ID: <16029597.1113263516059.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Nina said,  "It would be great to make it more! Jeff - you 
better get there! :-)"

You bet!  May 21 is enough time to make ABSOLUTELY certain that nothing comes up and to get my posse together (4 of us so far...)  Only reason I didnt go Saturday was that I had to work...
Curiously enough making videos into mpegs.
Sherwin I hope you had an easier time of it than I did... I still cant access your reel though (on a mac; will try on the pc at work...)

Jeff

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 11 17:41:47 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 11 17:45:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Bridgeport Hair
References: <16029597.1113263516059.JavaMail.root@bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002701c53ef8$687f9390$6e436c42@hotprojects>

please everyone if i dont get there give julie my love
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Lunger" <jlunger@earthlink.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 7:51 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Bridgeport Hair


> Nina said,  "It would be great to make it more! Jeff - you
> better get there! :-)"
>
> You bet!  May 21 is enough time to make ABSOLUTELY certain that nothing
comes up and to get my posse together (4 of us so far...)  Only reason I
didnt go Saturday was that I had to work...
> Curiously enough making videos into mpegs.
> Sherwin I hope you had an easier time of it than I did... I still cant
access your reel though (on a mac; will try on the pc at work...)
>
> Jeff
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 11 17:44:15 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 11 17:47:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] anyone remember indians and how good it was????
Message-ID: <000c01c53ef8$c115f3a0$6e436c42@hotprojects>


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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 11 17:44:59 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 11 17:48:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] and the leaf people
Message-ID: <001501c53ef8$dafa1080$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i still talk about the leaf people
what a brilliant piece of work that was

( theres something ripe for a revival )
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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Mon Apr 11 20:26:22 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Mon Apr 11 20:29:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
References: <200504111900.j3BJ0AV3007792@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <001701c53f0f$668f3dd0$6401a8c0@Leo>

That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all. BTW, 
just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State High School 
Thespians.

PEACE,
Leo

> From: venuetheatre@juno.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere

> Hello all
>
> So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, and
> I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
> Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............
>
> JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>
> Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
> if anyone has been looking for him.
>
> God I love this business.
>
> Corinne


From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Mon Apr 11 21:01:58 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Mon Apr 11 21:05:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Bridgeport
Message-ID: <011401c53f14$5f84ed50$4065fea9@Charles>

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From fotoblue at flash.net  Mon Apr 11 21:25:38 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Mon Apr 11 21:29:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Sherwin's video/mpeg
Message-ID: <60710-22005421242538793@M2W075.mail2web.com>

Greetings all, 
have not read every email yet, but has anybody come up with a way to see
Sherwin's 
video on a Mac???
 I cannot open it.
;-(
Dagmar

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From fotoblue at flash.net  Mon Apr 11 21:25:24 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Mon Apr 11 21:29:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Sherwin's video/mpeg
Message-ID: <191380-22005421242524762@M2W073.mail2web.com>

Greetings all, 
have not rad every email yet, but has anybody come up with a way to see
Sherwin's 
video on a Mac???
 I cannot open it.
;-(
Dagmar

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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Apr 11 22:26:52 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Apr 11 22:30:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV20C59330D22418DFCF6959AB330@phx.gbl>

State High School Thespians must be a special group... :-))

peace,
barbara

From martin at eayrs.com  Mon Apr 11 23:46:51 2005
From: martin at eayrs.com (Martin Eayrs)
Date: Mon Apr 11 23:50:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Bridgeport Hair
Message-ID: <p06200705be811ebedd56@[192.168.1.2]>



Jeff said

>  I still cant access your reel though (on a mac; will try on the pc 
>at work...)

I have a Mac - I downloaded the file (wmv extension) and opened it in 
the Windows Media Player (Mac version) with no problem.

It's a free download and works for some (not all) wmv files that 
don't have digital rights protection.

Nice work, Sherwin

Martin

.

From martin at eayrs.com  Mon Apr 11 23:57:53 2005
From: martin at eayrs.com (Martin Eayrs)
Date: Tue Apr 12 00:01:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Elaine Page on the BBC
Message-ID: <p06200706be81200028eb@[192.168.1.2]>


I don't know whether this will be news but here goes..

Elaine Paige (London HAiR, and went on to be one of the UK's best 
known stage musical players) has a regular BBC slot in which she 
plays music from Broadway and London musicals.

It goes out live on Sundays at 13.00 GMT but on the website (at 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/paige/) there is a 'Listen Again' 
feature.

Maybe it'll interest someone - it did a HAiR special feature some 
weeks back (I missed it!) and plays songs from all Broadway, West End 
and Hollywood musicals, along with a lot of whimsy and trivia.

Martin
From fotoblue at flash.net  Mon Apr 11 22:06:58 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Tue Apr 12 03:56:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Lamont... Colored Spade memories
Message-ID: <168980-2200542125658879@M2W096.mail2web.com>

Hello Tribe!

Richard's mention of Lamont Washington triggered a whole bunch of memories!
 yes, he was THE ORIGINAL!

Sweet and crazy "Jungle Bunny"... wherever you are, we're still thinking of
you!

here he is, singing his song
and that's Gerry Ragni at his feet.

(from my page 
http://home.flash.net/~akstudio/stray.hairs.html
which is screaming for an update, I just noticed! )
Dagmar
http://www.dagmarfoto.com

Original Message:
-----------------
From: richard haase hotprojects@nyc.rr.com
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:59:42 -0400
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Colored Spade at Santa Ana


what a shame
colored spade is my favorite number in the whole show
although one one ever did it like lamont washington for my money
and i had stanley ramsey
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Zuehlke 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:55 AM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Colored Spade at Santa Ana


  Hi tribe,

  I have a question for those of you who saw the Cucucuevez Tribe's
production of 
HAiR in Santa Ana, California:

  Did they sing "Colored Spade"?  The program lists the song, but Hebe and
I (and a 
relative who saw the production twice!) are of the opinion that it was cut.
(Politically 
incorrect?)

  Love to hear from anyone who believes it was performed.



  Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

  John



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From VinUschi at t-online.de  Mon Apr 11 21:36:08 2005
From: VinUschi at t-online.de (Vincent Edwards)
Date: Tue Apr 12 04:32:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] elaine page
Message-ID: <425B5037.F2EFB0D0@t-online.de>

hi martin there is a pic of elaine on my homepage on the hair tribe pic
see is next to tim curry about 3 rows back towards the left   a fun
lady  love and peace vincent www.vincentedwards.com

From martin at eayrs.com  Tue Apr 12 05:53:25 2005
From: martin at eayrs.com (Martin Eayrs)
Date: Tue Apr 12 05:56:56 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] elaine page
Message-ID: <p0620070bbe817433e4db@[192.168.1.2]>


Vincent writes
>
>hi martin there is a pic of elaine on my homepage on the hair tribe pic
>see is next to tim curry about 3 rows back towards the left   a fun
>lady  love and peace vincent www.vincentedwards.com

Thanks, Vince - cool site. I don't know Elaine, but was at university 
with Tim Curry - we were both in the same theatre group. i remember 
him as a great singer, although in amateur theatre I guess you do 
everything. Another member of the group  - Judy Loe - was also in 
HAiR but not i think in the first London cast. She's listed on the 
second London album.

Martin
From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Apr 12 11:13:50 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Apr 12 08:20:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport
In-Reply-To: <f04310100be808c16a49f@[165.247.47.75]>
Message-ID: <BE815DEE.2043F%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Debbie,
I agree the nude was too dark. In fact my strongest critique about the show
is the lighting. That was hurt by its darkness made a negative feeling.
The reverse was the concert version at Reprise in Los Angeles a couple of
years ago. There the lighting so strong, the length and promenading would
have been embarrassing in Las Vegas.
Michael

> Hello Tribe,
> 
> Wanted to exclaim about Saturday in Bridgeport -  the show was really
> good - hadn't seen it since i did it - '70 - '71, but seeing it with
> people i did it with & MB was equally the big buzz for me!!
> 
> We're watching the show & Robert  whispers "hey, remember how dirty
> the stage was by the second act? "  Oh, and the whole tribe was
> onstage for the flag song & I'm like " I don't remember that - wasn't
> it only Woof, Berger & third guy?"  -  it was great!  I got the same
> adrenaline high seeing it as i got from doing it.
> 
> Great to meet Nina & her family, and see Bill S, Robert , Charles P &
> MB of course - wow!
> And the nude scene - I was wondering - was it always that dark when
> we did it?  it felt much brighter onstage to me than what I saw on
> Saturday - gee, I would have been a little less self- conscious if I
> knew it was that dark!  Also, I can't tell if 30 years later it's
> just not that big a deal or .. it always felt like a big deal when we
> did it & the audience responded with this incredible intense
> stillness,  like they didn't  even move till way after the singing
> was done and we were gone - which I didn't sense seeing it Saturday.
> It's probably just the passage of time, alot of nakedness over the
> dam...
> 
> Anyway, funny note - I had never seen a naked man until I did the
> nude scene ( swear to God,  I'm not lying - Catholic school, dad was
> a cop., barely 16.....)  pretty funny?
> 
> Someone mentioned Stanley Ramsey - he was my first HUD !!- we were
> cast in Detroit - I loved that guy & miss him.
> HAiR without nude scene like non - alcoholic champagne? too funny...
> 
> Bill, Robert, Nina - maybe MB  and more tribe - we're doing it again!!
> 
> Peace & Love to you all,
> Debbie Andrews
> 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Apr 12 11:22:02 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Apr 12 08:25:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Sherwin's video/mpeg
In-Reply-To: <191380-22005421242524762@M2W073.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BE815FDA.20442%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Dagmar,
Came up for me, not QuickTime but Windows Media which I think is a free
download.
XO Michael

> Greetings all, 
> have not rad every email yet, but has anybody come up with a way to see
> Sherwin's 
> video on a Mac???
> I cannot open it.
> ;-(
> Dagmar
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Tue Apr 12 09:56:51 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Tue Apr 12 10:00:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Sherwin's video/mpeg
Message-ID: <285350-220054212165651156@M2W110.mail2web.com>

Thanks Michael, shall try!
 Dagmar

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From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 11:22:02 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Sherwin's video/mpeg


Dagmar,
Came up for me, not QuickTime but Windows Media which I think is a free
download.
XO Michael

> Greetings all, 
> have not rad every email yet, but has anybody come up with a way to see
> Sherwin's 
> video on a Mac???
> I cannot open it.
> ;-(
> Dagmar
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From bev at beverlybremers.com  Tue Apr 12 13:05:29 2005
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Tue Apr 12 13:09:16 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
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From joseph.simon at fandm.edu  Tue Apr 12 13:48:39 2005
From: joseph.simon at fandm.edu (joseph.simon@fandm.edu)
Date: Tue Apr 12 14:07:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
Message-ID: <a06210201be81e3ac7db1@[155.68.108.243]>

My name is Joe Simon and I am a student at Franklin & Marshall 
College in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.  I am a part of the student 
theater group here, and I want to direct HAIR as our spring show next 
year.  My only problem is that there is not a whole lot of diversity 
here.  I was wondering if anyone had seen or done shows where that 
was an issue, and what the options are to keep the message of the 
show intact, while not being offensive to others.

I was also wondering what kinds of other alternate options there 
were, like vocal switching, or gender switching, and what people's 
experiences were with that.

Thank you very much for your time.

-Joe
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Joseph Simon

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
				-Shakespeare
From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Apr 12 17:55:17 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Apr 12 14:59:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: [Michael Butler's Blog] 4/12/2005 12:54:31 PM
In-Reply-To: <17348509.1113335678069.JavaMail.root@bla102.blogger.com>
Message-ID: <BE81BC05.2049F%michael@michaelbutler.com>


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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 12:54:38 -0700 (PDT)
To: michael@michaelbutler.com
Subject: [Michael Butler's Blog] 4/12/2005 12:54:31 PM

 We are currently performing HAIR in Chicago, and know exactly what you are
talking about!Let the Sunshine In...Love,the tonkawa theatre
tribewww.tonkawatheatretribe.com

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<http://www.michaelbutler.com/2005/03/hair-visceral-connections.html>  at
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Apr 12 17:57:41 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Apr 12 15:01:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
In-Reply-To: <a06210201be81e3ac7db1@[155.68.108.243]>
Message-ID: <BE81BC95.204A0%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Joe,
May I suggest that some more specific questions will certainly get some
response from the gurus on this List.
Michael

> My name is Joe Simon and I am a student at Franklin & Marshall
> College in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.  I am a part of the student
> theater group here, and I want to direct HAIR as our spring show next
> year.  My only problem is that there is not a whole lot of diversity
> here.  I was wondering if anyone had seen or done shows where that
> was an issue, and what the options are to keep the message of the
> show intact, while not being offensive to others.
> 
> I was also wondering what kinds of other alternate options there
> were, like vocal switching, or gender switching, and what people's
> experiences were with that.
> 
> Thank you very much for your time.
> 
> -Joe

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Apr 12 16:26:41 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Apr 12 16:30:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport
References: <BE815DEE.2043F%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <001501c53fb7$158219a0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

wasnt the original nude scene very dark?
no?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport


> Debbie,
> I agree the nude was too dark. In fact my strongest critique about the
show
> is the lighting. That was hurt by its darkness made a negative feeling.
> The reverse was the concert version at Reprise in Los Angeles a couple of
> years ago. There the lighting so strong, the length and promenading would
> have been embarrassing in Las Vegas.
> Michael
>
> > Hello Tribe,
> >
> > Wanted to exclaim about Saturday in Bridgeport -  the show was really
> > good - hadn't seen it since i did it - '70 - '71, but seeing it with
> > people i did it with & MB was equally the big buzz for me!!
> >
> > We're watching the show & Robert  whispers "hey, remember how dirty
> > the stage was by the second act? "  Oh, and the whole tribe was
> > onstage for the flag song & I'm like " I don't remember that - wasn't
> > it only Woof, Berger & third guy?"  -  it was great!  I got the same
> > adrenaline high seeing it as i got from doing it.
> >
> > Great to meet Nina & her family, and see Bill S, Robert , Charles P &
> > MB of course - wow!
> > And the nude scene - I was wondering - was it always that dark when
> > we did it?  it felt much brighter onstage to me than what I saw on
> > Saturday - gee, I would have been a little less self- conscious if I
> > knew it was that dark!  Also, I can't tell if 30 years later it's
> > just not that big a deal or .. it always felt like a big deal when we
> > did it & the audience responded with this incredible intense
> > stillness,  like they didn't  even move till way after the singing
> > was done and we were gone - which I didn't sense seeing it Saturday.
> > It's probably just the passage of time, alot of nakedness over the
> > dam...
> >
> > Anyway, funny note - I had never seen a naked man until I did the
> > nude scene ( swear to God,  I'm not lying - Catholic school, dad was
> > a cop., barely 16.....)  pretty funny?
> >
> > Someone mentioned Stanley Ramsey - he was my first HUD !!- we were
> > cast in Detroit - I loved that guy & miss him.
> > HAiR without nude scene like non - alcoholic champagne? too funny...
> >
> > Bill, Robert, Nina - maybe MB  and more tribe - we're doing it again!!
> >
> > Peace & Love to you all,
> > Debbie Andrews
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Apr 12 16:33:15 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Apr 12 16:36:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
References: <20050412200529.C942B2F909@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01c53fb8$00528eb0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

sherwin hasnt drank for years
he used to do really horrible things lol and not lol

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Beverly Bremers 
  To: Sherwin@aceross.com ; mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


  Sherwin - What fun! Thanks for sharing! Drink much beer?

  Bev



  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Sherwin Ross" 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
  Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
  Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:04:08 -0700



  It took two days to learn..

   

  I hope me sharing this with you may bring you joy and bring me workJ

   

  http://www.aceross.com/Commercialreel.wmv

   

  Just teasing.

   

  Much love

  Sherwin Ross

  www.across.com


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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Apr 12 16:37:08 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Apr 12 16:40:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
References: <BE81BC95.204A0%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <012101c53fb8$8b148f80$6e436c42@hotprojects>

there is always the possibility for recombinant casting the division of
lines etc
my 1980 revival in nyc was done with a cast of 15
if you need ethnically diverse people
i would import them
got to be lots of ethnic communities close by relatively
eg pittsburgh philly etc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Joe,
> May I suggest that some more specific questions will certainly get some
> response from the gurus on this List.
> Michael
>
> > My name is Joe Simon and I am a student at Franklin & Marshall
> > College in Lancaster, Pennsylvania.  I am a part of the student
> > theater group here, and I want to direct HAIR as our spring show next
> > year.  My only problem is that there is not a whole lot of diversity
> > here.  I was wondering if anyone had seen or done shows where that
> > was an issue, and what the options are to keep the message of the
> > show intact, while not being offensive to others.
> >
> > I was also wondering what kinds of other alternate options there
> > were, like vocal switching, or gender switching, and what people's
> > experiences were with that.
> >
> > Thank you very much for your time.
> >
> > -Joe
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Apr 12 16:41:14 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Apr 12 16:44:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
References: <20050412200529.C942B2F909@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
	<00cd01c53fb8$00528eb0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <019501c53fb9$1dc11560$6e436c42@hotprojects>

and the effort with that little program
is wonderful sherwin
very very impressive
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: richard haase 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


  sherwin hasnt drank for years
  he used to do really horrible things lol and not lol

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Beverly Bremers 
    To: Sherwin@aceross.com ; mb-hair@islandlists.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:05 PM
    Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


    Sherwin - What fun! Thanks for sharing! Drink much beer?

    Bev



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Sherwin Ross" 
    To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
    Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
    Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:04:08 -0700



    It took two days to learn..

     

    I hope me sharing this with you may bring you joy and bring me workJ

     

    http://www.aceross.com/Commercialreel.wmv

     

    Just teasing.

     

    Much love

    Sherwin Ross

    www.across.com


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From ace at aceross.com  Tue Apr 12 17:20:32 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Tue Apr 12 17:24:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
In-Reply-To: <019501c53fb9$1dc11560$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20050413002041.40A7A38809F@gw01-bur.mroute.net>

 

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:41 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


and the effort with that little program
is wonderful sherwin
very very impressive

----- Original Message ----- 
From: richard  <mailto:hotprojects@nyc.rr.com> haase 
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........

sherwin hasnt drank for years
he used to do really horrible things lol and not lol
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Beverly  <mailto:bev@beverlybremers.com> Bremers 
To: Sherwin@aceross.com ; mb-hair@islandlists.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


Sherwin - What fun! Thanks for sharing! Drink much beer?

Bev



----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherwin Ross" 
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:04:08 -0700



It took two days to learn..

 

I hope me sharing this with you may bring you joy and bring me work:-)

 

http://www.aceross.com/Commercialreel.wmv

 

Just teasing.

 

Much love

Sherwin Ross

www.across.com


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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 12 17:35:30 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Tue Apr 12 17:39:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport
In-Reply-To: <001501c53fb7$158219a0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2029C89636F5F0E7559DE1B2340@phx.gbl>

Richard wrote:
>wasnt the original nude scene very dark?

Yes, but not as dark as it is in Briadgeport.

Nina

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Apr 12 18:20:39 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Apr 12 18:24:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport
References: <BAY104-F2029C89636F5F0E7559DE1B2340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c53fc7$013305d0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

cause i remember when i saw it as a boy
thinking the nude although gorgeous was hyped
in the sense that the lighting was dim and the scene was almost tableau like
in very good taste etc
not at all the shocker the media had portrayed etc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport


> Richard wrote:
> >wasnt the original nude scene very dark?
>
> Yes, but not as dark as it is in Briadgeport.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
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>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Apr 12 18:25:32 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Apr 12 18:29:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport
References: <BAY104-F2029C89636F5F0E7559DE1B2340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000b01c53fc7$af888a10$6e436c42@hotprojects>

maybe it was a technical malfunction?
also maybe sensitive to the more conservative times
and bridgeport which is a conservative blue collar town
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport


> Richard wrote:
> >wasnt the original nude scene very dark?
> 
> Yes, but not as dark as it is in Briadgeport.
> 
> Nina
> 
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Apr 12 21:49:20 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Apr 12 18:53:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport
In-Reply-To: <001501c53fb7$158219a0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BE81F2E0.204C8%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Not as dark as this one

> wasnt the original nude scene very dark?
> no?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR In Bridgeport
> 
> 
>> Debbie,
>> I agree the nude was too dark. In fact my strongest critique about the
> show
>> is the lighting. That was hurt by its darkness made a negative feeling.
>> The reverse was the concert version at Reprise in Los Angeles a couple of
>> years ago. There the lighting so strong, the length and promenading would
>> have been embarrassing in Las Vegas.
>> Michael
>> 
>>> Hello Tribe,
>>> 
>>> Wanted to exclaim about Saturday in Bridgeport -  the show was really
>>> good - hadn't seen it since i did it - '70 - '71, but seeing it with
>>> people i did it with & MB was equally the big buzz for me!!
>>> 
>>> We're watching the show & Robert  whispers "hey, remember how dirty
>>> the stage was by the second act? "  Oh, and the whole tribe was
>>> onstage for the flag song & I'm like " I don't remember that - wasn't
>>> it only Woof, Berger & third guy?"  -  it was great!  I got the same
>>> adrenaline high seeing it as i got from doing it.
>>> 
>>> Great to meet Nina & her family, and see Bill S, Robert , Charles P &
>>> MB of course - wow!
>>> And the nude scene - I was wondering - was it always that dark when
>>> we did it?  it felt much brighter onstage to me than what I saw on
>>> Saturday - gee, I would have been a little less self- conscious if I
>>> knew it was that dark!  Also, I can't tell if 30 years later it's
>>> just not that big a deal or .. it always felt like a big deal when we
>>> did it & the audience responded with this incredible intense
>>> stillness,  like they didn't  even move till way after the singing
>>> was done and we were gone - which I didn't sense seeing it Saturday.
>>> It's probably just the passage of time, alot of nakedness over the
>>> dam...
>>> 
>>> Anyway, funny note - I had never seen a naked man until I did the
>>> nude scene ( swear to God,  I'm not lying - Catholic school, dad was
>>> a cop., barely 16.....)  pretty funny?
>>> 
>>> Someone mentioned Stanley Ramsey - he was my first HUD !!- we were
>>> cast in Detroit - I loved that guy & miss him.
>>> HAiR without nude scene like non - alcoholic champagne? too funny...
>>> 
>>> Bill, Robert, Nina - maybe MB  and more tribe - we're doing it again!!
>>> 
>>> Peace & Love to you all,
>>> Debbie Andrews
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Mb-hair mailing list
>>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>> 
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From Shewiin at aceross.com  Tue Apr 12 18:52:34 2005
From: Shewiin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Tue Apr 12 18:56:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] all it takes is one voice
Message-ID: <20050413015237.0DFF613B864@lax-gw04.mroute.net>

Dear Tribe.

 

I have had this on tape and I am so proud to share this with you...

 

It took a while to transform the video to a movie file.I am humbly
overwhelmed that you all took time out of your day to share my work.with me.

 

Thank you

 

http://www.aceross.com/OneVoice.wmv

 

All my love Sherwin

 

 

 

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From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Tue Apr 12 19:07:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
In-Reply-To: <019501c53fb9$1dc11560$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20050413020343.4BDAF13B824@lax-gw04.mroute.net>

Thank You Richard:)

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:41 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


and the effort with that little program
is wonderful sherwin
very very impressive

----- Original Message ----- 
From: richard  <mailto:hotprojects@nyc.rr.com> haase 
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........

sherwin hasnt drank for years
he used to do really horrible things lol and not lol
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Beverly  <mailto:bev@beverlybremers.com> Bremers 
To: Sherwin@aceross.com ; mb-hair@islandlists.com 
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........


Sherwin - What fun! Thanks for sharing! Drink much beer?

Bev



----- Original Message -----
From: "Sherwin Ross" 
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] video to mpeg........
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:04:08 -0700



It took two days to learn..

 

I hope me sharing this with you may bring you joy and bring me work:-)

 

http://www.aceross.com/Commercialreel.wmv

 

Just teasing.

 

Much love

Sherwin Ross

www.across.com


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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 12 19:24:11 2005
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Tue Apr 12 19:27:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fwd: Re: Hair at UCSD
Message-ID: <20050413022412.13573.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Tribe,
 
Just forwarding on a lovely note for Elizabeth Caveness (below my note). I'm leaving for Italy very early tomorrow morning so I've switched to digest mode. Hopefully I'll have lots of good things to share when I return on the 24th.
 
I'm happy to say that a newly edited version of Good Hair Days is now available online. You can find the links at www.goodhairdays.net. I should have some discounted author copies available by the end of April. I wasn't able to change the cover, but many typo's were changed as well as some other requests. It's not perfect of course, but much better than before.
 
My love to all of you.
 
Beads, Flowers, Freedom and Happiness ~ Jonathon


Elizabeth Esquibel <elizabethesquibel@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: "Elizabeth Esquibel" <elizabethesquibel@hotmail.com>
To: goodhairdays@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Hair at UCSD
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:10:57 -0700

Dear,dear Jonathon,
Jeremy and I enjoyed meeting you so very, very much!!! I haven't been able 
to get on the message board yet. I still need a few more hours to come 
down. I was very impressed with the cast! They are very, very loving young 
people wanting love and peace around the earth just as we did then!!! Their 
adrenaline really impressed me, as it stayed the same throughout the entire 
show.
The young lady that choreographed the show completely Blew me away! I know 
we will see her name on many credits before long!!!
I thought it was so cute when I was telling them how their energy was the 
same all through the show and they practicallly all said "It was cuz you 
guys were here man". Thank you Jonathon from both me and my wonderful 
Jeremy. If we can get together before Italy that would be so cool. But if 
not we will hear from you when you return. Please feel free to send emails 
and photos via computor. Jeremy and I are already recieving emails from 
Jeremys girlfriend who just left for India last week. If we don't see you 
before you leave via con Dios our friend, enjoy your trip!
Love and peace Always~Jeremy and Elizabeth

P.S Jonathon , can you forward this message to the message board, I think I 
just said it all and I'm not computor literate yet. Thanks Bro, 
heeeeeeeeeeee Hi Tribe!!!!!!!


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From Shewiin at aceross.com  Tue Apr 12 20:00:02 2005
From: Shewiin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Tue Apr 12 20:03:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fwd: Re: Hair at UCSD
In-Reply-To: <20050413022412.13573.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050413030004.1EF161645C5@gw05-bur.mroute.net>

Have a safe trip,

 

Much love,

 

sherwin

 

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From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Jonathon Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:24 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fwd: Re: Hair at UCSD

 

Hello Tribe,

 

Just forwarding on a lovely note for Elizabeth Caveness (below my note). I'm
leaving for Italy very early tomorrow morning so I've switched to digest
mode. Hopefully I'll have lots of good things to share when I return on the
24th.

 

I'm happy to say that a newly edited version of Good Hair Days is now
available online. You can find the links at www.goodhairdays.net. I should
have some discounted author copies available by the end of April. I wasn't
able to change the cover, but many typo's were changed as well as some other
requests. It's not perfect of course, but much better than before.

 

My love to all of you.

 

Beads, Flowers, Freedom and Happiness ~ Jonathon



Elizabeth Esquibel <elizabethesquibel@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: "Elizabeth Esquibel" <elizabethesquibel@hotmail.com>
To: goodhairdays@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Hair at UCSD
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 18:10:57 -0700

Dear,dear Jonathon,
Jeremy and I enjoyed meeting you so very, very much!!! I haven't been able 
to get on the message board yet. I still need a few more hours to come 
down. I was very impressed with the cast! They are very, very loving young 
people wanting love and peace around the earth just as we did then!!! Their 
adrenaline really impressed me, as it stayed the same throughout the entire 
show.
The young lady that choreographed the show completely Blew me away! I know 
we will see her name on many credits before long!!!
I thought it was so cute when I was telling them how their energy was the 
same all through the show and they practicallly all said "It was cuz you 
guy s were here man". Thank you Jonathon from both me and my wonderful 
Jeremy. If we can get together before Italy that would be so cool. But if 
not we will hear from you when you return. Please feel free to send emails 
and photos via computor. Jeremy and I are already recieving emails from 
Jeremys girlfriend who just left for India last week. If we don't see you 
before you leave via con Dios our friend, enjoy your trip!
Love and peace Always~Jeremy and Elizabeth

P.S Jonathon , can you forward this message to the message board, I think I 
just said it all and I'm not computor literate yet. Thanks Bro, 
heeeeeeeeeeee Hi Tribe!!!!!!!

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Good HAIR Days: A Personal Journey with the American Tribal Love-Rock
Musical HAIR, by Jonathon Johnson. For more information on the book and how
to order it, visit www.goodhairdays.net <http://www.goodhairdays.net/> .
Visit our other websites at www.uversa.net <http://www.uversa.net/>  and
www.kidstherapyassociates.com <http://www.kidstherapyassociates.com/> . 

 

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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Tue Apr 12 20:05:32 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Tue Apr 12 20:09:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Lamont... Colored Spade memories
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV8F0F16D6629C8BF22B51DAB340@phx.gbl>

Dagmar.

How sweet of you to share... :-)

Thank you.
peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: fotoblue@flash.net
Sent: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:06:58 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Lamont... Colored Spade memories

Hello Tribe!

Richard's mention of Lamont Washington triggered a whole bunch of memories!
 yes, he was THE ORIGINAL!

Sweet and crazy "Jungle Bunny"... wherever you are, we're still thinking of
you!

here he is, singing his song
and that's Gerry Ragni at his feet.

(from my page 
http://home.flash.net/~akstudio/stray.hairs.html
which is screaming for an update, I just noticed! )
Dagmar
http://www.dagmarfoto.com

Original Message:
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From: richard haase hotprojects@nyc.rr.com
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 10:59:42 -0400
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Colored Spade at Santa Ana


what a shame
colored spade is my favorite number in the whole show
although one one ever did it like lamont washington for my money
and i had stanley ramsey
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Zuehlke 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:55 AM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Colored Spade at Santa Ana


  Hi tribe,

  I have a question for those of you who saw the Cucucuevez Tribe's
production of 
HAiR in Santa Ana, California:

  Did they sing "Colored Spade"?  The program lists the song, but Hebe and
I (and a 
relative who saw the production twice!) are of the opinion that it was cut.
(Politically 
incorrect?)

  Love to hear from anyone who believes it was performed.



  Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

  John



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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Tue Apr 12 20:19:18 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Tue Apr 12 20:22:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] elaine page
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV13B51D5308E114CF3C65BCAB340@phx.gbl>

Nice site Vince... I especially love the butterfly... :-)

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Edwards
Sent: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:36:08 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandemail.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] elaine page

hi martin there is a pic of elaine on my homepage on the hair tribe pic
see is next to tim curry about 3 rows back towards the left   a fun
lady  love and peace vincent www.vincentedwards.com

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From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Tue Apr 12 20:30:01 2005
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 12 20:33:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question??
Message-ID: <194.3cb2b7f7.2f8dec39@aol.com>

I was reading the Uncle John's Bathroom Reader the other day and I saw a 
blurb about "fate's" hand in bands.... and one story that it had made me wonder if 
Michael could add anything, since it seemed he had a part in it

supposedly, one of the members of The Fifth Dimension (who recorded 
Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In) lost his wallet in a cab. It said the person who found it 
said in lieu of a reward he'd rather have his band come see a show he was 
producing on Broadway.  So they went, and it was HAIR and they loved the songs so 
much, they recorded them and had a big hit.

So Michael, was that you who found the wallet?:)

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Apr 13 10:43:16 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Apr 13 07:47:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Question??
In-Reply-To: <194.3cb2b7f7.2f8dec39@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BE82A844.20501%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Like to claim it but it was another Michael-Gifford.
Sure miss her.
Michael

> I was reading the Uncle John's Bathroom Reader the other day and I saw a
> blurb about "fate's" hand in bands.... and one story that it had made me
> wonder if 
> Michael could add anything, since it seemed he had a part in it
> 
> supposedly, one of the members of The Fifth Dimension (who recorded
> Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In) lost his wallet in a cab. It said the person who
> found it 
> said in lieu of a reward he'd rather have his band come see a show he was
> producing on Broadway.  So they went, and it was HAIR and they loved the songs
> so 
> much, they recorded them and had a big hit.
> 
> So Michael, was that you who found the wallet?:)
> 
> - Amy
> 
> "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
> cummings
> 
> "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
> musical)
> 
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From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 13 07:52:05 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Wed Apr 13 07:56:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fwd: Re: Hair at UCSD
References: <20050413022412.13573.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com>
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 13 08:36:15 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Wed Apr 13 08:39:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
Message-ID: <BAY104-F4944BAE4B2A3F3E3B7778B2340@phx.gbl>

Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.

It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small amount 
of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions that had only 
a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that work, although the 
strongest productions are often those with a larger mix. There are songs and 
lines in Hair that reference racial equality, and this is one of Hair's 
messages. Even such simple lines as in Claude's hallucination when a black 
man and a white man take each others arms and say "Black and white go nice 
together, don't they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the 
song Colored Spade.

Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written specifically 
to be played by African American actors and actresses, while others are not 
specified. I have seen success with gender switching in the role of Hud. 
Delores Hall understudied that role on Broadway, and was good when she 
played it. Hud isn't necessarily a man, but he is most definitely black. 
Your problem is not an uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies 
have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard 
time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled 
with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having seen 
it done.

There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could open 
auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school community 
because of these special circumstances? I would strongly encourage you to 
try and find some ethnic diversity if you are mounting a production of Hair.

I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you speak of 
vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this problem, or in the show 
in general?

Nina
The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 08:39:35 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 08:43:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
References: <BAY104-F4944BAE4B2A3F3E3B7778B2340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000a01c5403e$ff32b370$6e436c42@hotprojects>

joe there are plenty of black people in PA
also you can have ny or philly auditions for a day etc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:36 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>
> It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
amount
> of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions that had
only
> a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that work, although the
> strongest productions are often those with a larger mix. There are songs
and
> lines in Hair that reference racial equality, and this is one of Hair's
> messages. Even such simple lines as in Claude's hallucination when a black
> man and a white man take each others arms and say "Black and white go nice
> together, don't they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the
> song Colored Spade.
>
> Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
specifically
> to be played by African American actors and actresses, while others are
not
> specified. I have seen success with gender switching in the role of Hud.
> Delores Hall understudied that role on Broadway, and was good when she
> played it. Hud isn't necessarily a man, but he is most definitely black.
> Your problem is not an uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies
> have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard
> time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled
> with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
seen
> it done.
>
> There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could open
> auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school community
> because of these special circumstances? I would strongly encourage you to
> try and find some ethnic diversity if you are mounting a production of
Hair.
>
> I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you speak
of
> vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this problem, or in the
show
> in general?
>
> Nina
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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From joseph.simon at fandm.edu  Wed Apr 13 08:44:22 2005
From: joseph.simon at fandm.edu (joseph.simon@fandm.edu)
Date: Wed Apr 13 11:36:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F4944BAE4B2A3F3E3B7778B2340@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F4944BAE4B2A3F3E3B7778B2340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <a06210203be82ee25f25a@[155.68.108.243]>

Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem. 
Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies 
specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for 
a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence 
in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.


>Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>
>It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small 
>amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions 
>that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that 
>work, although the strongest productions are often those with a 
>larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial 
>equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines 
>as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take 
>each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't 
>they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song 
>Colored Spade.
>
>Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written 
>specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses, 
>while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender 
>switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on 
>Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a 
>man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an 
>uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting 
>this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking 
>that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with 
>this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having 
>seen it done.
>
>There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could 
>open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school 
>community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly 
>encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are 
>mounting a production of Hair.
>
>I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you 
>speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this 
>problem, or in the show in general?
>
>Nina
>The Hair Archives
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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-- 
Joseph Simon

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
				-Shakespeare
From joseph.simon at fandm.edu  Wed Apr 13 09:11:18 2005
From: joseph.simon at fandm.edu (joseph.simon@fandm.edu)
Date: Wed Apr 13 11:36:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
In-Reply-To: <000a01c5403e$ff32b370$6e436c42@hotprojects>
References: <BAY104-F4944BAE4B2A3F3E3B7778B2340@phx.gbl>
	<000a01c5403e$ff32b370$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <a06210204be82f4ed8964@[155.68.108.243]>

There are plenty of black people in PA, yes.  But, I'm doing a 
student run production.  So, I'm talking specifically about the 
student body on my campus.  Sorry I didn't make that clear earlier, 
so that's where the casting gets tricky.


>joe there are plenty of black people in PA
>also you can have ny or philly auditions for a day etc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:36 AM
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
>
>
>>  Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>>
>>  It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
>amount
>>  of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions that had
>only
>>  a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that work, although the
>>  strongest productions are often those with a larger mix. There are songs
>and
>>  lines in Hair that reference racial equality, and this is one of Hair's
>>  messages. Even such simple lines as in Claude's hallucination when a black
>>  man and a white man take each others arms and say "Black and white go nice
>>  together, don't they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the
>>  song Colored Spade.
>>
>>  Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
>specifically
>>  to be played by African American actors and actresses, while others are
>not
>>  specified. I have seen success with gender switching in the role of Hud.
>>  Delores Hall understudied that role on Broadway, and was good when she
>>  played it. Hud isn't necessarily a man, but he is most definitely black.
>>  Your problem is not an uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies
>>  have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard
>>  time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled
>>  with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>seen
>>  it done.
>>
>>  There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could open
>>  auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school community
>>  because of these special circumstances? I would strongly encourage you to
>>  try and find some ethnic diversity if you are mounting a production of
>Hair.
>>
>>  I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you speak
>of
>>  vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this problem, or in the
>show
>>  in general?
>>
>>  Nina
>>  The Hair Archives
>>  http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Mb-hair mailing list
>>  Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>  http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>_______________________________________________
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-- 
Joseph Simon

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
				-Shakespeare
From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 11:34:47 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 11:38:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
References: <BAY104-F4944BAE4B2A3F3E3B7778B2340@phx.gbl>
	<000a01c5403e$ff32b370$6e436c42@hotprojects>
	<a06210204be82f4ed8964@[155.68.108.243]>
Message-ID: <000801c54057$7887df30$6e436c42@hotprojects>

joe with most colleges though
if the vast majority of the production is student body
they will let you bring in people a few etc
its par for the course
and there arent many opportunities
you will even get people to come in for a student production
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> There are plenty of black people in PA, yes.  But, I'm doing a
> student run production.  So, I'm talking specifically about the
> student body on my campus.  Sorry I didn't make that clear earlier,
> so that's where the casting gets tricky.
>
>
> >joe there are plenty of black people in PA
> >also you can have ny or philly auditions for a day etc
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:36 AM
> >Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> >
> >
> >>  Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >>
> >>  It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount
> >>  of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions that had
> >only
> >>  a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that work, although the
> >>  strongest productions are often those with a larger mix. There are
songs
> >and
> >>  lines in Hair that reference racial equality, and this is one of
Hair's
> >>  messages. Even such simple lines as in Claude's hallucination when a
black
> >>  man and a white man take each others arms and say "Black and white go
nice
> >>  together, don't they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention
the
> >>  song Colored Spade.
> >>
> >>  Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically
> >>  to be played by African American actors and actresses, while others
are
> >not
> >>  specified. I have seen success with gender switching in the role of
Hud.
> >>  Delores Hall understudied that role on Broadway, and was good when she
> >>  played it. Hud isn't necessarily a man, but he is most definitely
black.
> >>  Your problem is not an uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some
companies
> >>  have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a
hard
> >>  time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have
struggled
> >>  with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never
having
> >seen
> >>  it done.
> >>
> >>  There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could open
> >>  auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school community
> >>  because of these special circumstances? I would strongly encourage you
to
> >>  try and find some ethnic diversity if you are mounting a production of
> >Hair.
> >>
> >>  I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
speak
> >of
> >>  vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this problem, or in
the
> >show
> >>  in general?
> >>
> >>  Nina
> >>  The Hair Archives
> >>  http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >>
> >>
> >>  _______________________________________________
> >>  Mb-hair mailing list
> >>  Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >>  http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
>
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 11:35:57 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 11:39:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
References: <BAY104-F4944BAE4B2A3F3E3B7778B2340@phx.gbl>
	<a06210203be82ee25f25a@[155.68.108.243]>
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import some joe
but honestly if thats touchy
bringing in black people
why would you want to do hair?
an all white hair?
kind of an oxy moron
anyway good luck joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem. 
> Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies 
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for 
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence 
> in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
> 
> 
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small 
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions 
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that 
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a 
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial 
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines 
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take 
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't 
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song 
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written 
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses, 
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender 
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on 
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a 
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an 
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting 
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking 
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with 
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having 
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could 
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school 
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly 
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are 
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you 
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this 
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From joseph.simon at fandm.edu  Wed Apr 13 13:31:09 2005
From: joseph.simon at fandm.edu (joseph.simon@fandm.edu)
Date: Wed Apr 13 14:43:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
In-Reply-To: <000f01c54057$a26e57c0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
References: <BAY104-F4944BAE4B2A3F3E3B7778B2340@phx.gbl>
	<a06210203be82ee25f25a@[155.68.108.243]>
	<000f01c54057$a26e57c0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <a06210205be8331d6d00a@[155.68.108.243]>

Yeah.  I know, and there are plenty of african americans on campus 
here who would be more than happy to play the role.  I was just 
looking at what else has been done that's all.  thanks for all your 
help!

>import some joe
>but honestly if thats touchy
>bringing in black people
>why would you want to do hair?
>an all white hair?
>kind of an oxy moron
>anyway good luck joe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
>
>
>>  Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
>>  Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies
>>  specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
>>  a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
>>  in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
>>
>>
>>  >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>>  >
>>  >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
>>  >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
>>  >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
>>  >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
>>  >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
>>  >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
>>  >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
>>  >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
>>  >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
>>  >Colored Spade.
>>  >
>>  >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
>>  >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
>>  >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
>>  >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
>>  >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
>>  >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
>>  >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
>>  >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
>>  >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
>>  >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>>  >seen it done.
>>  >
>>  >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
>>  >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
>>  >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
>>  >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
>>  >mounting a production of Hair.
>>  >
>>  >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
>>  >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
>>  >problem, or in the show in general?
>>  >
>>  >Nina
>>  >The Hair Archives
>>  >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >_______________________________________________
>>  >Mb-hair mailing list
>>  >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>  >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  Joseph Simon
>>
>>  "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
>>  -Shakespeare
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  Mb-hair mailing list
>>  Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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-- 
Joseph Simon

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
				-Shakespeare
From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 13 14:53:02 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Wed Apr 13 14:56:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
Message-ID: <BAY104-F30FEBBB40AA9D386FE9F04B2340@phx.gbl>

Thought you all might be interested in reading about this planned production 
- first Hair Tribe in Tanzania!

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


Nina,
Thanks again for the helpful information.  I passed it on to the rest of the
group and we have decided that we will apply to TAMS to find out the cost of
getting the rights for the show.

We are actually based in Africa in a city called Arusha, Tanzania, East
Africa.  We are a small city or maybe a big town if you would call it that
...  Regardless, we have a committed group of actors and crew and we all
feel this is going to be a great production for us!

Last year we staged an adaptation of the Marriage of Figaro and a couple of
years before that we did an adaptation of Grease.  Our total draw, per show,
was just about 1,000 people over 3 nights of performance; somewhere near
300-350 per night.  Tickets were $5 for Adults and $3 for children.

I'll fill out the TAMS application tomorrow and send it in and see what they
say about the price.  We figure that we will try to find some sponsors and
do a little fundraising to help cover costs.

I think I speak for the whole production team when I say that we are really
excited to be the first HAiR Tribe in Tanzania! We had a meeting tonight to
watch the DVD and listen to some of the Australian Cast Recording.  The
Archive and HAiR Pages web sites have been a big help and we are looking
forward to whatever kind of support we will be getting from you.

Performance will be in December, the 1st 2nd & 3rd of 2005 and Cast & Crew
Auditions will be on the 22nd of June.  Formal rehearsals won't start until
September and we are putting a lot of work into pre-production.  Our
schedule matches that of the availability of talent and the best times for
performance.

OK - I guess we will be in touch once we hear from TAMS.  Again, we are all
really excited and we can wait to get our hands on the script and music!

Best regards,
David


From fotoblue at flash.net  Wed Apr 13 14:57:54 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Wed Apr 13 15:01:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
Message-ID: <315890-220054313215754723@M2W095.mail2web.com>

AMAZING!

is this a mixed cast, or all black??

 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:53:02 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa


Thought you all might be interested in reading about this planned
production 
- first Hair Tribe in Tanzania!

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


Nina,
Thanks again for the helpful information.  I passed it on to the rest of the
group and we have decided that we will apply to TAMS to find out the cost of
getting the rights for the show.

We are actually based in Africa in a city called Arusha, Tanzania, East
Africa.  We are a small city or maybe a big town if you would call it that
...  Regardless, we have a committed group of actors and crew and we all
feel this is going to be a great production for us!

Last year we staged an adaptation of the Marriage of Figaro and a couple of
years before that we did an adaptation of Grease.  Our total draw, per show,
was just about 1,000 people over 3 nights of performance; somewhere near
300-350 per night.  Tickets were $5 for Adults and $3 for children.

I'll fill out the TAMS application tomorrow and send it in and see what they
say about the price.  We figure that we will try to find some sponsors and
do a little fundraising to help cover costs.

I think I speak for the whole production team when I say that we are really
excited to be the first HAiR Tribe in Tanzania! We had a meeting tonight to
watch the DVD and listen to some of the Australian Cast Recording.  The
Archive and HAiR Pages web sites have been a big help and we are looking
forward to whatever kind of support we will be getting from you.

Performance will be in December, the 1st 2nd & 3rd of 2005 and Cast & Crew
Auditions will be on the 22nd of June.  Formal rehearsals won't start until
September and we are putting a lot of work into pre-production.  Our
schedule matches that of the availability of talent and the best times for
performance.

OK - I guess we will be in touch once we hear from TAMS.  Again, we are all
really excited and we can wait to get our hands on the script and music!

Best regards,
David


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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 15:05:17 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 15:08:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
References: <BAY104-F4944BAE4B2A3F3E3B7778B2340@phx.gbl>
	<a06210203be82ee25f25a@[155.68.108.243]>
	<000f01c54057$a26e57c0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
	<a06210205be8331d6d00a@[155.68.108.243]>
Message-ID: <001e01c54074$e085db60$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i dont quite understand were youre coming from joe
basically you have the lead roles; there are 10 or so etc
then you have the tribe
you can to some extent condense the tribe
having a smaller number of tribe members do the tribal parts
or where logical having some of the main players etc
do tribe lines etc
i dont remember exactly but i did a major production of the show in nyc at
meryl streeps brothers place
in 80 - 81
with a cast of 15ish
you can certainly condense the cast
but
to take out the black people would make the thing suck
really
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yeah.  I know, and there are plenty of african americans on campus
> here who would be more than happy to play the role.  I was just
> looking at what else has been done that's all.  thanks for all your
> help!
>
> >import some joe
> >but honestly if thats touchy
> >bringing in black people
> >why would you want to do hair?
> >an all white hair?
> >kind of an oxy moron
> >anyway good luck joe
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
> >Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> >
> >
> >>  Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> >>  Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies
> >>  specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> >>  a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> >>  in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
> >>
> >>
> >>  >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >>  >
> >>  >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >>  >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >>  >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >>  >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >>  >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >>  >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >>  >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >>  >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >>  >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >>  >Colored Spade.
> >>  >
> >>  >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >>  >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >>  >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >>  >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >>  >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >>  >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >>  >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >>  >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >>  >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >>  >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >>  >seen it done.
> >>  >
> >>  >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >>  >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >>  >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >>  >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >>  >mounting a production of Hair.
> >>  >
> >>  >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >>  >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >>  >problem, or in the show in general?
> >>  >
> >>  >Nina
> >>  >The Hair Archives
> >>  >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >_______________________________________________
> >>  >Mb-hair mailing list
> >>  >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >>  >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >>
> >>
> >>  --
> >>  Joseph Simon
> >>
> >>  "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> >>  -Shakespeare
> >>  _______________________________________________
> >>  Mb-hair mailing list
> >>  Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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>
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
>
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> -Shakespeare
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 15:06:39 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 15:10:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
References: <315890-220054313215754723@M2W095.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <003501c54075$118ea700$6e436c42@hotprojects>

you could do hair with an all or probably nearly all black cast
but not an all white one
i would think
eg ben vereen was a spectacular berger etc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa


AMAZING!

is this a mixed cast, or all black??

 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:53:02 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa


Thought you all might be interested in reading about this planned
production
- first Hair Tribe in Tanzania!

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


Nina,
Thanks again for the helpful information.  I passed it on to the rest of the
group and we have decided that we will apply to TAMS to find out the cost of
getting the rights for the show.

We are actually based in Africa in a city called Arusha, Tanzania, East
Africa.  We are a small city or maybe a big town if you would call it that
...  Regardless, we have a committed group of actors and crew and we all
feel this is going to be a great production for us!

Last year we staged an adaptation of the Marriage of Figaro and a couple of
years before that we did an adaptation of Grease.  Our total draw, per show,
was just about 1,000 people over 3 nights of performance; somewhere near
300-350 per night.  Tickets were $5 for Adults and $3 for children.

I'll fill out the TAMS application tomorrow and send it in and see what they
say about the price.  We figure that we will try to find some sponsors and
do a little fundraising to help cover costs.

I think I speak for the whole production team when I say that we are really
excited to be the first HAiR Tribe in Tanzania! We had a meeting tonight to
watch the DVD and listen to some of the Australian Cast Recording.  The
Archive and HAiR Pages web sites have been a big help and we are looking
forward to whatever kind of support we will be getting from you.

Performance will be in December, the 1st 2nd & 3rd of 2005 and Cast & Crew
Auditions will be on the 22nd of June.  Formal rehearsals won't start until
September and we are putting a lot of work into pre-production.  Our
schedule matches that of the availability of talent and the best times for
performance.

OK - I guess we will be in touch once we hear from TAMS.  Again, we are all
really excited and we can wait to get our hands on the script and music!

Best regards,
David


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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 15:07:46 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 15:11:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
Message-ID: <000a01c54075$395573e0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

are you doing an aryan hair?
lol and not lol
a little worried where youre coming from joe
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 13 15:08:10 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Wed Apr 13 15:11:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
In-Reply-To: <315890-220054313215754723@M2W095.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F261CD674722BA3FA3692A0B2340@phx.gbl>

Dagmar wrote:

>AMAZING! is this a mixed cast, or all black??

No idea, but I thought it interesting that this email arrived right after 
our earlier discussion about a potentially all caucasian cast. I'll keep you 
posted as I hear from them, and will encourage them to join the list.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 15:09:10 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 15:12:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
References: <BAY104-F261CD674722BA3FA3692A0B2340@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001601c54075$6b242790$6e436c42@hotprojects>

an all caucasian cast?
yech
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <fotoblue@flash.net>; <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa


> Dagmar wrote:
>
> >AMAZING! is this a mixed cast, or all black??
>
> No idea, but I thought it interesting that this email arrived right after
> our earlier discussion about a potentially all caucasian cast. I'll keep
you
> posted as I hear from them, and will encourage them to join the list.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 15:09:46 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 15:13:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] even godpsell punks with an all caucasian cast
Message-ID: <000801c54075$80ac6460$6e436c42@hotprojects>

and godspell is hair ultra light
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 13 17:02:37 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Wed Apr 13 17:06:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c54075$395573e0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F39A63A608B6B62ED18C8DAB2350@phx.gbl>

Richard,

Joe never said that he wanted to exclude black people from his production. 
He asked how other people had handled a lack of diversity in the pool of 
talent available for their production.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
>Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:07:46 -0400
>
>are you doing an aryan hair?
>lol and not lol
>a little worried where youre coming from joe
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 17:11:49 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 17:15:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
References: <BAY104-F39A63A608B6B62ED18C8DAB2350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000801c54086$8de99ce0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i just think its odd
thats all
joe said there were plenty of black people on campus
why not use them?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?


> Richard,
>
> Joe never said that he wanted to exclude black people from his production.
> He asked how other people had handled a lack of diversity in the pool of
> talent available for their production.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
> >From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
> >Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:07:46 -0400
> >
> >are you doing an aryan hair?
> >lol and not lol
> >a little worried where youre coming from joe
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 19:38:23 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 19:42:07 2005
Subject: Fw: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
Message-ID: <004001c5409b$073f3aa0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

respectfully im not crazy
now look below
tell me where im misinterpreting
if he has enough people of color for a good tribe
i dont get the discrepancy visa vi the african american influence that his
group lacks and casting
why cant he use them then?
what is the issue then?
i dont quite get this

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
>
>
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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> >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
>
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Wed Apr 13 21:01:52 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Wed Apr 13 21:05:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV208A482A8369B1600BAE91AB350@phx.gbl>

Joe did NOT say he wanted an all white HAiR Richard stop trying to frighten this guy away which I think you are doing.

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: richard haase
Sent: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:35:57 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions

import some joe
but honestly if thats touchy
bringing in black people
why would you want to do hair?
an all white hair?
kind of an oxy moron
anyway good luck joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem. 
> Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies 
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for 
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence 
> in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
> 
> 
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small 
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions 
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that 
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a 
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial 
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines 
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take 
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't 
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song 
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written 
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses, 
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender 
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on 
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a 
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an 
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting 
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking 
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with 
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having 
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could 
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school 
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly 
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are 
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you 
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this 
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
> 
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 13 21:17:23 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 13 21:21:02 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
References: <BAY5-DAV208A482A8369B1600BAE91AB350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c540a8$dbe24650$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i am doing of the kind
i am having a discourse

okay; lets suppose youre right
i dont understand
please explain to me where im in error
i have a different understanding of the passage previously forwarded
tell me where i am in error
explain it to me please
?
i still dont get it
( that doesnt make me bad or hostile )

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


Joe did NOT say he wanted an all white HAiR Richard stop trying to frighten
this guy away which I think you are doing.

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: richard haase
Sent: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:35:57 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions

import some joe
but honestly if thats touchy
bringing in black people
why would you want to do hair?
an all white hair?
kind of an oxy moron
anyway good luck joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
>
>
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
>
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 14 01:04:54 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Thu Apr 14 01:08:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
In-Reply-To: <001701c53f0f$668f3dd0$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F15D07AECB3649C31E1AEB6B4350@phx.gbl>

...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a 
vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress whom I 
hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" in Paris, 
(which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin who was in 
Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were talking and 
reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the San Francisco and 
Paris "Hair" Productions!!  Wow.
Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal friends, 
and to also turn her onto this list.
Ditto Corinne!
Love, Cara

From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400

That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all. BTW, 
just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State High School 
Thespians.

PEACE,
Leo

>From: venuetheatre@juno.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere

>Hello all
>
>So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, and
>I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
>Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............
>
>JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>
>Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
>if anyone has been looking for him.
>
>God I love this business.
>
>Corinne


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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Apr 14 01:51:08 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Apr 14 01:54:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fw: [Mb-civic] i wish joe nothing but well
Message-ID: <005401c540cf$19bb9960$6e436c42@hotprojects>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: richard haase 
To: mb-civic@islandemail.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:57 AM
Subject: [Mb-civic] i wish joe nothing but well





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From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr 14 04:26:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F15D07AECB3649C31E1AEB6B4350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BE83CAB1.20586%michael@michaelbutler.com>

What is her name?
XO Michael

> ...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a
> vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress whom I
> hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" in Paris,
> (which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin who was in
> Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were talking and
> reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the San Francisco and
> Paris "Hair" Productions!!  Wow.
> Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal friends,
> and to also turn her onto this list.
> Ditto Corinne!
> Love, Cara
> 
> From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400
> 
> That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all. BTW,
> just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State High School
> Thespians.
> 
> PEACE,
> Leo
> 
>> From: venuetheatre@juno.com
>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, and
>> I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
>> Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............
>> 
>> JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>> 
>> Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
>> if anyone has been looking for him.
>> 
>> God I love this business.
>> 
>> Corinne
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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> 
> 
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From jpzuehlke at prodigy.net  Thu Apr 14 06:14:32 2005
From: jpzuehlke at prodigy.net (John Zuehlke)
Date: Thu Apr 14 06:19:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR in Bridgeport & San Diego & what's more important
	~~~ cutting the nude scene
Message-ID: <000901c540f3$e9d35920$77807643@0019448444>

>From the glowing reviews of Debbie Andrews, Michael Butler, Jonathon Johnson, and "little birdie" it sounds like Hebe and I missed two excellent productions of HAiR. Too bad the San Diego run was so short - had it been longer, we might have been able to get down there.

----------

Debbie Andrews related her experience in doing the nude scene thirty years ago in comparison with the present Bridgeport production by saying: "... was it always that dark when we did it?" Since all of the productions of HAiR that I have seen were mounted in California, I cannot comment on the two aforementioned shows, but, in general, I feel that the way the scene is performed has changed over the years.

IMHO, modern productions seem to have longer, freer, and more brightly lit nude scenes than the shows of the seventies. I recall feeling that the nude scene in the Los Angeles (Aquarius Theater) production was reasonably lighted but performed so quickly and furtively that it appeared that the cast was almost ashamed to perform it. The production in San Francisco, however, though similarly short, seemed much freer and much more fun. I believe that Michael Butler expressed a somewhat similar perception in his review of the Bridgeport HAiR: "I agree that the nude was too dark. ... its darkness made a negative feeling."

Current productions, when they choose to do a nude scene, seem much more free. In the best productions (IMHO) the cast appears proud and defiant, and sends an in-your-face message.

As a side note that may not have any relevance to the nude scene in HAiR, I remember a local college production of "Equus." The nude scene was performed on a very dimly lit stage, and lights were aimed to shine into the audience. The poor actors had to perform with the audience clearly visible to them. They could see the audience fidgeting, craning their necks, and holding their hands up in a vain attempt to see the actors on stage, while all the audience could see of the actors were dim shadows! 

------------

Jonathon Johnson wrote: "Hair at UCSD in San Diego was fantastic! ... Nothing was cut! Not even the nude scene! In fact, they slipped nakedness into a few other surprise places!" I would really love to hear what additional uses were made of nudity. Nina mentioned two places where nudity has been used in HAiR: "Of the productions that keep it in, most place it where it was on Broadway (at the end of Where Do I Go?) but some move it, often to Walking in Space." I have always felt that nudity would be very natural and beneficial to the "Walking in Space" scene, but, unfortunately, none of the many California productions that I have seen have done it this way.

Personally, I have been somewhat bothered with the nudity coming at the end of "Where Do I Go?" I would like to see nudity during the "Be In" at the park where the kids are joyously dancing and celebrating and generally "scaring some tourists." It would send a strong, anarchistic, "up the establishment" message that culminates in the burning of their draft cards. When Claude is unable to burn his card, and thereby break with the conservative establishment, the party mood crashes into the very solemn and plaintive "Where Do I Go?" The tribe getting nude here has always struck me as out-of-place, and possibly a gratuitous way of ending the first act with a controversial "punch". 

A question about the San Diego production for Jonathon (or anyone else who saw it): If nudity was used at the end of "Where Do I Go?", did Claude participate in it? Hebe and I have enjoyed those productions where he does participate in the tribe's nudity because it shows that he is still a part of the tribe as well as simultaneously emphasizing his child-like vulnerability. This makes his inability to drop out by burning his draft card even more poignant when he sings "Where Do I Go?" 

Another place nudity is often used is in the "flash" at the end of the Tourist Couple (Margaret Mead) scene. I would love to see "her" flash followed by one from a woman playing Hubert!

One production we saw had a naked "Aquarius" who "morphed" into Claude when he is summoned by the tribe's chant of "Aquarius, Aquarius." This would have been a neat effect except for the fact that the girl who played Aquarius did not have a pitcher or some other item to identify her. It took three performances before I was certain of the director's intent in using the effect!

Finally, has anyone seen nudity used in "The Bed"? It would be a natural there, and it could help to clarify the fact that Claude and Sheila are going to have sex - a fact that is often obscured by the joyous singing and dancing of the tribe. 


------------

When Nina wrote "I can't recall if any of the minors on Broadway (WMH, Janet Powell, Debbie Andrews) did the nude scene or not" Debbie Andrews replied "Anyway, funny note - I had never seen a naked man until I did the nude scene

(swear to God, I'm not lying - Catholic school, dad was a cop., barely 16.....) pretty funny?" In the current political climate, I cannot imagine that any production would even dare allow a minor to do a nude scene!

--------------

Richard Haase wrote: "horrors
for me hair without the nude scene is like non alcoholic 
champagne"

This observation is very true. HAiR was the first Broadway musical to feature nudity, and, with only a few exceptions (like "Stephen Sondheim's Passion"), it still holds that distinction. (Although nudity, presented in a far more sexual context, was used in many productions of Richard Straus' 1905 opera "Salome".) For better or for worse, HAiR is known for its "nude scene," and, I believe, audiences feel cheated when it is omitted. In essence, the nudity has become so de rigueur that it is in danger of becoming gratuitous. Ironically, the solution to this problem may be the inclusion of more, contextually correct nudity rather than its reduction! So, I heartily commend Richard when he said: "next production of it i do im going to kick the nude scene up a notch in fact".

After all, isn't that what HAiR is all about?


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Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

John
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From joseph.simon at fandm.edu  Thu Apr 14 07:05:55 2005
From: joseph.simon at fandm.edu (joseph.simon@fandm.edu)
Date: Thu Apr 14 07:13:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
In-Reply-To: <005401c540cf$19bb9960$6e436c42@hotprojects>
References: <005401c540cf$19bb9960$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <a06210208be84279f6b7e@[155.68.108.243]>

Thank you to all of you who gave me ideas and sent me warm words of 
support and encouragement.  I have to defend my proposal for HAIR 
this sunday and the executive board will decide then whether or not 
it is the show that we will do next year.

Richard,
Let me try and clear this up for you.  There are african american 
people on campus, not a whole lot, but enough.  They, however, have 
not traditionally been a large part of the theater groups. I was 
asking my questions to see what other options there were based on who 
I knew I had, as opposed to what kinds of recruiting I would have to 
do.  I would never put on an all white HAIR, I to think that gets 
away from the message of the show, but this is a small liberal arts 
school in "hickville" PA, so its not going to be overwhelmingly 
diversified.  I hope that clears the situation up for you.

Again to everyone, thank you for your support.

-Joe
-- 
Joseph Simon

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
				-Shakespeare
From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 14 07:14:24 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Thu Apr 14 07:18:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
In-Reply-To: <a06210208be84279f6b7e@[155.68.108.243]>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F19ADE353E1B389117664CEB2350@phx.gbl>

Dear Joe,

Good luck with the board. Please let us know what they decide. If they say 
yes, this list can be a great resource to brainstorm ideas on your 
production. Hope we will hear more from you.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: joseph.simon@fandm.edu
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
>Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:05:55 -0400
>
>Thank you to all of you who gave me ideas and sent me warm words of support 
>and encouragement.  I have to defend my proposal for HAIR this sunday and 
>the executive board will decide then whether or not it is the show that we 
>will do next year.
>
>Richard,
>Let me try and clear this up for you.  There are african american people on 
>campus, not a whole lot, but enough.  They, however, have not traditionally 
>been a large part of the theater groups. I was asking my questions to see 
>what other options there were based on who I knew I had, as opposed to what 
>kinds of recruiting I would have to do.  I would never put on an all white 
>HAIR, I to think that gets away from the message of the show, but this is a 
>small liberal arts school in "hickville" PA, so its not going to be 
>overwhelmingly diversified.  I hope that clears the situation up for you.
>
>Again to everyone, thank you for your support.
>
>-Joe
>--
>Joseph Simon
>
>"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
>				-Shakespeare
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From ace at aceross.com  Thu Apr 14 08:25:45 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Thu Apr 14 08:29:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
In-Reply-To: <BE83CAB1.20586%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20050414152555.A3E1011F950@lax-gw07.mroute.net>

Cara...which trader joes? Love that place:) 

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:22 AM
To: HAIR List
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere

What is her name?
XO Michael

> ...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a 
> vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress 
> whom I hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" 
> in Paris, (which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin 
> who was in Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were 
> talking and reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the 
> San Francisco and Paris "Hair" Productions!!  Wow.
> Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal 
> friends, and to also turn her onto this list.
> Ditto Corinne!
> Love, Cara
> 
> From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400
> 
> That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all. 
> BTW, just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State 
> High School Thespians.
> 
> PEACE,
> Leo
> 
>> From: venuetheatre@juno.com
>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, 
>> and I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at 
>> Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............
>> 
>> JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>> 
>> Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his 
>> e-mail if anyone has been looking for him.
>> 
>> God I love this business.
>> 
>> Corinne
> 
> 
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From lilacamy11 at aol.com  Thu Apr 14 10:31:56 2005
From: lilacamy11 at aol.com (lilacamy11@aol.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 10:36:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Some questions
In-Reply-To: <200504131900.j3DJ06Wt018252@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
References: <200504131900.j3DJ06Wt018252@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
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 I believe some companies
>>  have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard
>>  time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled
>>  with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>seen
>>  it done.

 
When I was in HAIR, we didn't have a black male. Instead of gender switching we played it as a white man who was very sympathetic to the black cause and related to blacks. It went well... not perfect, and we had to change a few things around and cut some things, but it went ok....
 
- Amy

"Life is around you and in you... Let the Sunshine In!"
- from HAIR (the musical)

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream"  - e.e. cummings
 
 
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:44:22 -0400
From: joseph.simon@fandm.edu
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <a06210203be82ee25f25a@[155.68.108.243]>
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Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem. 
Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies 
specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for 
a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence 
in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.


>Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>
>It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small 
>amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions 
>that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that 
>work, although the strongest productions are often those with a 
>larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial 
>equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines 
>as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take 
>each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't 
>they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song 
>Colored Spade.
>
>Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written 
>specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses, 
>while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender 
>switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on 
>Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a 
>man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an 
>uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting 
>this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking 
>that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with 
>this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having 
>seen it done.
>
>There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could 
>open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school 
>community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly 
>encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are 
>mounting a production of Hair.
>
>I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you 
>speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this 
>problem, or in the show in general?
>
>Nina
>The Hair Archives
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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-- 
Joseph Simon

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
                -Shakespeare


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:11:18 -0400
From: joseph.simon@fandm.edu
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <a06210204be82f4ed8964@[155.68.108.243]>
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There are plenty of black people in PA, yes.  But, I'm doing a 
student run production.  So, I'm talking specifically about the 
student body on my campus.  Sorry I didn't make that clear earlier, 
so that's where the casting gets tricky.


>joe there are plenty of black people in PA
>also you can have ny or philly auditions for a day etc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:36 AM
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
>
>
>>  Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>>
>>  It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
>amount
>>  of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions that had
>only
>>  a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that work, although the
>>  strongest productions are often those with a larger mix. There are songs
>and
>>  lines in Hair that reference racial equality, and this is one of Hair's
>>  messages. Even such simple lines as in Claude's hallucination when a black
>>  man and a white man take each others arms and say "Black and white go nice
>>  together, don't they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the
>>  song Colored Spade.
>>
>>  Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
>specifically
>>  to be played by African American actors and actresses, while others are
>not
>>  specified. I have seen success with gender switching in the role of Hud.
>>  Delores Hall understudied that role on Broadway, and was good when she
>>  played it. Hud isn't necessarily a man, but he is most definitely black.
>>  Your problem is not an uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies
>>  have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard
>>  time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled
>>  with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>seen
>>  it done.
>>
>>  There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could open
>>  auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school community
>>  because of these special circumstances? I would strongly encourage you to
>>  try and find some ethnic diversity if you are mounting a production of
>Hair.
>>
>>  I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you speak
>of
>>  vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this problem, or in the
>show
>>  in general?
>>
>>  Nina
>>  The Hair Archives
>>  http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>>
>>
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-- 
Joseph Simon

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
                -Shakespeare


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:34:47 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <000801c54057$7887df30$6e436c42@hotprojects>
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joe with most colleges though
if the vast majority of the production is student body
they will let you bring in people a few etc
its par for the course
and there arent many opportunities
you will even get people to come in for a student production
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> There are plenty of black people in PA, yes.  But, I'm doing a
> student run production.  So, I'm talking specifically about the
> student body on my campus.  Sorry I didn't make that clear earlier,
> so that's where the casting gets tricky.
>
>
> >joe there are plenty of black people in PA
> >also you can have ny or philly auditions for a day etc
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:36 AM
> >Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> >
> >
> >>  Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >>
> >>  It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount
> >>  of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions that had
> >only
> >>  a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that work, although the
> >>  strongest productions are often those with a larger mix. There are
songs
> >and
> >>  lines in Hair that reference racial equality, and this is one of
Hair's
> >>  messages. Even such simple lines as in Claude's hallucination when a
black
> >>  man and a white man take each others arms and say "Black and white go
nice
> >>  together, don't they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention
the
> >>  song Colored Spade.
> >>
> >>  Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically
> >>  to be played by African American actors and actresses, while others
are
> >not
> >>  specified. I have seen success with gender switching in the role of
Hud.
> >>  Delores Hall understudied that role on Broadway, and was good when she
> >>  played it. Hud isn't necessarily a man, but he is most definitely
black.
> >>  Your problem is not an uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some
companies
> >>  have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a
hard
> >>  time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have
struggled
> >>  with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never
having
> >seen
> >>  it done.
> >>
> >>  There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could open
> >>  auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school community
> >>  because of these special circumstances? I would strongly encourage you
to
> >>  try and find some ethnic diversity if you are mounting a production of
> >Hair.
> >>
> >>  I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
speak
> >of
> >>  vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this problem, or in
the
> >show
> >>  in general?
> >>
> >>  Nina
> >>  The Hair Archives
> >>  http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >>
> >>
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> >
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>
>
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
>
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:35:57 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c54057$a26e57c0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
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import some joe
but honestly if thats touchy
bringing in black people
why would you want to do hair?
an all white hair?
kind of an oxy moron
anyway good luck joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem. 
> Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies 
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for 
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence 
> in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
> 
> 
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small 
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions 
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that 
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a 
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial 
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines 
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take 
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't 
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song 
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written 
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses, 
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender 
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on 
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a 
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an 
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting 
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking 
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with 
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having 
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could 
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school 
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly 
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are 
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you 
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this 
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
> 
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr 14 10:50:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
In-Reply-To: <a06210208be84279f6b7e@[155.68.108.243]>
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Joe,
Great and good luck on Sunday.
Do let us know what happens.
We are here to help.
Michael, et al
-- Never doubt that a group of thoughtful, committed
citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only
thing that ever has.   Margaret Mead





> Thank you to all of you who gave me ideas and sent me warm words of
> support and encouragement.  I have to defend my proposal for HAIR
> this sunday and the executive board will decide then whether or not
> it is the show that we will do next year.
> 
> Richard,
> Let me try and clear this up for you.  There are african american
> people on campus, not a whole lot, but enough.  They, however, have
> not traditionally been a large part of the theater groups. I was
> asking my questions to see what other options there were based on who
> I knew I had, as opposed to what kinds of recruiting I would have to
> do.  I would never put on an all white HAIR, I to think that gets
> away from the message of the show, but this is a small liberal arts
> school in "hickville" PA, so its not going to be overwhelmingly
> diversified.  I hope that clears the situation up for you.
> 
> Again to everyone, thank you for your support.
> 
> -Joe

From fotoblue at flash.net  Thu Apr 14 11:50:41 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Thu Apr 14 11:54:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] the Prez explains...maybe something for the civics list...
Message-ID: <86230-220054414185041164@M2W037.mail2web.com>



Hi Michael,
 thought this was interesting, but don't know how to send it to the civics
list

Hugs
 Dagmar
pretty dismal, isn't it?


The President Clears It All Up.
Where the President explains the virtues of his Social Security plan,
Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005. 

This is the record verbatim:
Woman in audience: "I don't really understand. How is it the new
[Social Security] plan is going to fix that problem?"

President Bush:
"Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost
drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the
table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price
increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being
considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers,
affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get
what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has
been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled.
Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example,
benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the
increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits
will
rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform
that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words,
how
fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those --
if that growth is affected, it will help on the red."
 


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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Apr 14 13:03:28 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Apr 14 13:07:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
References: <005401c540cf$19bb9960$6e436c42@hotprojects>
	<a06210208be84279f6b7e@[155.68.108.243]>
Message-ID: <002801c5412d$063a6070$6e436c42@hotprojects>

no it does joe
i really wish you the best
feel free to reach out if you need any assistance
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks


> Thank you to all of you who gave me ideas and sent me warm words of 
> support and encouragement.  I have to defend my proposal for HAIR 
> this sunday and the executive board will decide then whether or not 
> it is the show that we will do next year.
> 
> Richard,
> Let me try and clear this up for you.  There are african american 
> people on campus, not a whole lot, but enough.  They, however, have 
> not traditionally been a large part of the theater groups. I was 
> asking my questions to see what other options there were based on who 
> I knew I had, as opposed to what kinds of recruiting I would have to 
> do.  I would never put on an all white HAIR, I to think that gets 
> away from the message of the show, but this is a small liberal arts 
> school in "hickville" PA, so its not going to be overwhelmingly 
> diversified.  I hope that clears the situation up for you.
> 
> Again to everyone, thank you for your support.
> 
> -Joe
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
> 
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr 14 16:18:49 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr 14 13:22:44 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] the Prez explains...maybe something for the civics
	list...
In-Reply-To: <86230-220054414185041164@M2W037.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BE844869.20607%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Read it 3X still doesn't mak sense.
Send it to mb-civic@islandlists.com.
Any problem, let me know
XO Michael
> 
> 
> Hi Michael,
> thought this was interesting, but don't know how to send it to the civics
> list
> 
> Hugs
> Dagmar
> pretty dismal, isn't it?
> 
> 
> The President Clears It All Up.
> Where the President explains the virtues of his Social Security plan,
> Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005.
> 
> This is the record verbatim:
> Woman in audience: "I don't really understand. How is it the new
> [Social Security] plan is going to fix that problem?"
> 
> President Bush:
> "Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost
> drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the
> table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price
> increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being
> considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers,
> affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get
> what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has
> been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled.
> Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example,
> benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the
> increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits
> will
> rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform
> that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words,
> how
> fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those --
> if that growth is affected, it will help on the red."
> 
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From bror.00 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 13:38:33 2005
From: bror.00 at gmail.com (David Erickson)
Date: Thu Apr 14 13:42:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR in Tanzania
Message-ID: <cfd503cc050414133851069648@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
Just wanted to drop a quick message tonight before I get some shut-eye
since I'm sure there is a lot of curiosity about us and I did not want
to leave you all hanging too long.  As you saw from my message that
Nina posted, we are a small community theatre group in Arusha
Tanzania, the New Arusha Players.

This is going to be a really big show for us and we will be facing
many of the same issues that most Tribes face in staging the show
anywhere in the world.  Regardless, all of us on the Production Team
are all buzzing with excitement and are looking forward to interacting
with the Global Tribe as we move through pre-production.

Regarding the make-up of the cast and crew, it will be mostly Expats
living here who will be in the show.  In the past we have tried very
hard to get as many Tanzanians involved as we can but have found time
and again that interest drops off rapidly after auditions and when
rehearsals start.  Anyway, I don't want to dive into the whole issue
now just since I want to get off to bed but it is something I am open
to discuss later suffice to say that we will be doing our best.

I'll be producing the show and I'm sure the 2 co-directors and others
on the production team will be joining the list as they have time and
we will let cast & crew know about this list once we get through
auditions.

Again, we are all really looking forward to joining the HAiR extended
family and we will keep our fingers cross in hopes that some of you
might be able to come see our show!  Big thanks to Nina for all her
help and support so far.

Best,
David

P.S. One of the co-directors found a reference somewhere on the Net
where it listed all shows all over the world and that no other African
performances have been documented outside of SA; will see if we can
find that exact site.
From lilacamy11 at aol.com  Thu Apr 14 13:52:58 2005
From: lilacamy11 at aol.com (lilacamy11@aol.com)
Date: Thu Apr 14 14:42:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] diversity in hair
In-Reply-To: <200504141854.j3EIsLLY023215@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
References: <200504141854.j3EIsLLY023215@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <8C70F4B12DAA16B-8BC-3460@mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com>

 There may be enough black people on campus or wherever but maybe they're not interested in being in HAIR. Or maybe they're not talented enough to handle Hud. He never gave the impression he wanted an all-white cast. 
 
You're totally misinterpreting this Richard. 
 
- Amy

"Life is around you and in you... Let the Sunshine In!"
- from HAIR (the musical)

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream"  - e.e. cummings
 
 
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   1. Re: A Few Questions (joseph.simon@fandm.edu)
   2. Hair in Africa (Little Birdie)
   3. RE: Hair in Africa (fotoblue@flash.net)
   4. Re: A Few Questions (richard haase)
   5. Re: Hair in Africa (richard haase)
   6. why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
      (richard haase)
   7. RE: Hair in Africa (Little Birdie)
   8. Re: Hair in Africa (richard haase)
   9. even godpsell punks with an all caucasian cast (richard haase)
  10. RE: why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
      (Little Birdie)
  11. Re: why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
      (richard haase)
  12. Fw: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions (richard haase)
  13. Re: A Few Questions (Barbara Siomos)
  14. Re: A Few Questions (richard haase)
  15. Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere (Cara Robin)
  16. Fw: [Mb-civic] i wish joe nothing but well (richard haase)
  17. Re: Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere (Michael Butler)
  18. Re: HAiR in Bridgeport & San Diego & what's more important
      ~~~ cutting the nude scene (John Zuehlke)
  19. Explanation and Thanks (joseph.simon@fandm.edu)
  20. RE: Explanation and Thanks (Little Birdie)
  21. RE: Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere (ace)
  22. Re: Some questions (lilacamy11@aol.com)
  23. Re: Explanation and Thanks (Michael Butler)
  24. the Prez explains...maybe something for the civics list...
      (fotoblue@flash.net)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 16:31:09 -0400
From: joseph.simon@fandm.edu
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <a06210205be8331d6d00a@[155.68.108.243]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii

Yeah.  I know, and there are plenty of african americans on campus 
here who would be more than happy to play the role.  I was just 
looking at what else has been done that's all.  thanks for all your 
help!

>import some joe
>but honestly if thats touchy
>bringing in black people
>why would you want to do hair?
>an all white hair?
>kind of an oxy moron
>anyway good luck joe
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
>
>
>>  Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
>>  Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies
>>  specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
>>  a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
>>  in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
>>
>>
>>  >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>>  >
>>  >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
>>  >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
>>  >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
>>  >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
>>  >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
>>  >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
>>  >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
>>  >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
>>  >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
>>  >Colored Spade.
>>  >
>>  >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
>>  >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
>>  >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
>>  >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
>>  >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
>>  >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
>>  >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
>>  >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
>>  >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
>>  >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>>  >seen it done.
>>  >
>>  >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
>>  >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
>>  >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
>>  >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
>>  >mounting a production of Hair.
>>  >
>>  >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
>>  >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
>>  >problem, or in the show in general?
>>  >
>>  >Nina
>>  >The Hair Archives
>>  >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>>  >
>>  >
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>>
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>>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:53:02 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <BAY104-F30FEBBB40AA9D386FE9F04B2340@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Thought you all might be interested in reading about this planned production 
- first Hair Tribe in Tanzania!

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


Nina,
Thanks again for the helpful information.  I passed it on to the rest of the
group and we have decided that we will apply to TAMS to find out the cost of
getting the rights for the show.

We are actually based in Africa in a city called Arusha, Tanzania, East
Africa.  We are a small city or maybe a big town if you would call it that
...  Regardless, we have a committed group of actors and crew and we all
feel this is going to be a great production for us!

Last year we staged an adaptation of the Marriage of Figaro and a couple of
years before that we did an adaptation of Grease.  Our total draw, per show,
was just about 1,000 people over 3 nights of performance; somewhere near
300-350 per night.  Tickets were $5 for Adults and $3 for children.

I'll fill out the TAMS application tomorrow and send it in and see what they
say about the price.  We figure that we will try to find some sponsors and
do a little fundraising to help cover costs.

I think I speak for the whole production team when I say that we are really
excited to be the first HAiR Tribe in Tanzania! We had a meeting tonight to
watch the DVD and listen to some of the Australian Cast Recording.  The
Archive and HAiR Pages web sites have been a big help and we are looking
forward to whatever kind of support we will be getting from you.

Performance will be in December, the 1st 2nd & 3rd of 2005 and Cast & Crew
Auditions will be on the 22nd of June.  Formal rehearsals won't start until
September and we are putting a lot of work into pre-production.  Our
schedule matches that of the availability of talent and the best times for
performance.

OK - I guess we will be in touch once we hear from TAMS.  Again, we are all
really excited and we can wait to get our hands on the script and music!

Best regards,
David




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:57:54 -0400
From: "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <315890-220054313215754723@M2W095.mail2web.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

AMAZING!

is this a mixed cast, or all black??

 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:53:02 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa


Thought you all might be interested in reading about this planned
production 
- first Hair Tribe in Tanzania!

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


Nina,
Thanks again for the helpful information.  I passed it on to the rest of the
group and we have decided that we will apply to TAMS to find out the cost of
getting the rights for the show.

We are actually based in Africa in a city called Arusha, Tanzania, East
Africa.  We are a small city or maybe a big town if you would call it that
...  Regardless, we have a committed group of actors and crew and we all
feel this is going to be a great production for us!

Last year we staged an adaptation of the Marriage of Figaro and a couple of
years before that we did an adaptation of Grease.  Our total draw, per show,
was just about 1,000 people over 3 nights of performance; somewhere near
300-350 per night.  Tickets were $5 for Adults and $3 for children.

I'll fill out the TAMS application tomorrow and send it in and see what they
say about the price.  We figure that we will try to find some sponsors and
do a little fundraising to help cover costs.

I think I speak for the whole production team when I say that we are really
excited to be the first HAiR Tribe in Tanzania! We had a meeting tonight to
watch the DVD and listen to some of the Australian Cast Recording.  The
Archive and HAiR Pages web sites have been a big help and we are looking
forward to whatever kind of support we will be getting from you.

Performance will be in December, the 1st 2nd & 3rd of 2005 and Cast & Crew
Auditions will be on the 22nd of June.  Formal rehearsals won't start until
September and we are putting a lot of work into pre-production.  Our
schedule matches that of the availability of talent and the best times for
performance.

OK - I guess we will be in touch once we hear from TAMS.  Again, we are all
really excited and we can wait to get our hands on the script and music!

Best regards,
David


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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:05:17 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c54074$e085db60$6e436c42@hotprojects>
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i dont quite understand were youre coming from joe
basically you have the lead roles; there are 10 or so etc
then you have the tribe
you can to some extent condense the tribe
having a smaller number of tribe members do the tribal parts
or where logical having some of the main players etc
do tribe lines etc
i dont remember exactly but i did a major production of the show in nyc at
meryl streeps brothers place
in 80 - 81
with a cast of 15ish
you can certainly condense the cast
but
to take out the black people would make the thing suck
really
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yeah.  I know, and there are plenty of african americans on campus
> here who would be more than happy to play the role.  I was just
> looking at what else has been done that's all.  thanks for all your
> help!
>
> >import some joe
> >but honestly if thats touchy
> >bringing in black people
> >why would you want to do hair?
> >an all white hair?
> >kind of an oxy moron
> >anyway good luck joe
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
> >Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> >
> >
> >>  Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> >>  Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies
> >>  specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> >>  a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> >>  in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
> >>
> >>
> >>  >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >>  >
> >>  >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >>  >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >>  >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >>  >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >>  >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >>  >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >>  >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >>  >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >>  >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >>  >Colored Spade.
> >>  >
> >>  >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >>  >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >>  >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >>  >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >>  >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >>  >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >>  >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >>  >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >>  >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >>  >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >>  >seen it done.
> >>  >
> >>  >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >>  >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >>  >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >>  >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >>  >mounting a production of Hair.
> >>  >
> >>  >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >>  >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >>  >problem, or in the show in general?
> >>  >
> >>  >Nina
> >>  >The Hair Archives
> >>  >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  >_______________________________________________
> >>  >Mb-hair mailing list
> >>  >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >>  >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >>
> >>
> >>  --
> >>  Joseph Simon
> >>
> >>  "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> >>  -Shakespeare
> >>  _______________________________________________
> >>  Mb-hair mailing list
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:06:39 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
To: <fotoblue@flash.net>, <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <003501c54075$118ea700$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="iso-8859-1"

you could do hair with an all or probably nearly all black cast
but not an all white one
i would think
eg ben vereen was a spectacular berger etc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa


AMAZING!

is this a mixed cast, or all black??

 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 21:53:02 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa


Thought you all might be interested in reading about this planned
production
- first Hair Tribe in Tanzania!

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


Nina,
Thanks again for the helpful information.  I passed it on to the rest of the
group and we have decided that we will apply to TAMS to find out the cost of
getting the rights for the show.

We are actually based in Africa in a city called Arusha, Tanzania, East
Africa.  We are a small city or maybe a big town if you would call it that
...  Regardless, we have a committed group of actors and crew and we all
feel this is going to be a great production for us!

Last year we staged an adaptation of the Marriage of Figaro and a couple of
years before that we did an adaptation of Grease.  Our total draw, per show,
was just about 1,000 people over 3 nights of performance; somewhere near
300-350 per night.  Tickets were $5 for Adults and $3 for children.

I'll fill out the TAMS application tomorrow and send it in and see what they
say about the price.  We figure that we will try to find some sponsors and
do a little fundraising to help cover costs.

I think I speak for the whole production team when I say that we are really
excited to be the first HAiR Tribe in Tanzania! We had a meeting tonight to
watch the DVD and listen to some of the Australian Cast Recording.  The
Archive and HAiR Pages web sites have been a big help and we are looking
forward to whatever kind of support we will be getting from you.

Performance will be in December, the 1st 2nd & 3rd of 2005 and Cast & Crew
Auditions will be on the 22nd of June.  Formal rehearsals won't start until
September and we are putting a lot of work into pre-production.  Our
schedule matches that of the availability of talent and the best times for
performance.

OK - I guess we will be in touch once we hear from TAMS.  Again, we are all
really excited and we can wait to get our hands on the script and music!

Best regards,
David


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:07:46 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
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are you doing an aryan hair?
lol and not lol
a little worried where youre coming from joe
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:08:10 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
To: fotoblue@flash.net, mb-hair@islandlists.com
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Dagmar wrote:

>AMAZING! is this a mixed cast, or all black??

No idea, but I thought it interesting that this email arrived right after 
our earlier discussion about a potentially all caucasian cast. I'll keep you 
posted as I hear from them, and will encourage them to join the list.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html




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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:09:10 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <001601c54075$6b242790$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="iso-8859-1"

an all caucasian cast?
yech
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <fotoblue@flash.net>; <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair in Africa


> Dagmar wrote:
>
> >AMAZING! is this a mixed cast, or all black??
>
> No idea, but I thought it interesting that this email arrived right after
> our earlier discussion about a potentially all caucasian cast. I'll keep
you
> posted as I hear from them, and will encourage them to join the list.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:09:46 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] even godpsell punks with an all caucasian cast
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and godspell is hair ultra light
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:02:37 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people
    joe?
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Richard,

Joe never said that he wanted to exclude black people from his production. 
He asked how other people had handled a lack of diversity in the pool of 
talent available for their production.

Nina

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>From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
>Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:07:46 -0400
>
>are you doing an aryan hair?
>lol and not lol
>a little worried where youre coming from joe
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 20:11:49 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people
    joe?
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
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i just think its odd
thats all
joe said there were plenty of black people on campus
why not use them?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?


> Richard,
>
> Joe never said that he wanted to exclude black people from his production.
> He asked how other people had handled a lack of diversity in the pool of
> talent available for their production.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
> >From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Subject: [Mb-hair] why would you want to exclude the black people joe?
> >Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:07:46 -0400
> >
> >are you doing an aryan hair?
> >lol and not lol
> >a little worried where youre coming from joe
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:38:23 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Fw: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
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respectfully im not crazy
now look below
tell me where im misinterpreting
if he has enough people of color for a good tribe
i dont get the discrepancy visa vi the african american influence that his
group lacks and casting
why cant he use them then?
what is the issue then?
i dont quite get this

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
>
>
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
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>
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>
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> -Shakespeare
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:01:52 GMT
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
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Joe did NOT say he wanted an all white HAiR Richard stop trying to frighten this 
guy away which I think you are doing.

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: richard haase
Sent: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:35:57 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions

import some joe
but honestly if thats touchy
bringing in black people
why would you want to do hair?
an all white hair?
kind of an oxy moron
anyway good luck joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem. 
> Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies 
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for 
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence 
> in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
> 
> 
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small 
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions 
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that 
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a 
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial 
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines 
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take 
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't 
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song 
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written 
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses, 
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender 
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on 
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a 
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an 
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting 
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking 
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with 
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having 
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could 
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school 
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly 
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are 
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you 
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this 
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
> 
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 00:17:23 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
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i am doing of the kind
i am having a discourse

okay; lets suppose youre right
i dont understand
please explain to me where im in error
i have a different understanding of the passage previously forwarded
tell me where i am in error
explain it to me please
?
i still dont get it
( that doesnt make me bad or hostile )

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


Joe did NOT say he wanted an all white HAiR Richard stop trying to frighten
this guy away which I think you are doing.

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: richard haase
Sent: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:35:57 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions

import some joe
but honestly if thats touchy
bringing in black people
why would you want to do hair?
an all white hair?
kind of an oxy moron
anyway good luck joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem.
> Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence
> in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
>
>
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses,
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
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>
>
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
>
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> -Shakespeare
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:04:54 -0700
From: "Cara Robin" <cararobindesign@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
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...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a 
vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress whom I 
hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" in Paris, 
(which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin who was in 
Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were talking and 
reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the San Francisco and 
Paris "Hair" Productions!!  Wow.
Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal friends, 
and to also turn her onto this list.
Ditto Corinne!
Love, Cara

From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400

That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all. BTW, 
just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State High School 
Thespians.

PEACE,
Leo

>From: venuetheatre@juno.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere

>Hello all
>
>So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, and
>I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
>Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............
>
>JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>
>Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
>if anyone has been looking for him.
>
>God I love this business.
>
>Corinne


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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 04:51:08 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fw: [Mb-civic] i wish joe nothing but well
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
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----- Original Message ----- 
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To: mb-civic@islandemail.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:57 AM
Subject: [Mb-civic] i wish joe nothing but well





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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:22:25 -0700
From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
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What is her name?
XO Michael

> ...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a
> vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress whom I
> hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" in Paris,
> (which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin who was in
> Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were talking and
> reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the San Francisco and
> Paris "Hair" Productions!!  Wow.
> Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal friends,
> and to also turn her onto this list.
> Ditto Corinne!
> Love, Cara
> 
> From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400
> 
> That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all. BTW,
> just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State High School
> Thespians.
> 
> PEACE,
> Leo
> 
>> From: venuetheatre@juno.com
>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, and
>> I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
>> Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............
>> 
>> JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>> 
>> Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
>> if anyone has been looking for him.
>> 
>> God I love this business.
>> 
>> Corinne
> 
> 
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 06:14:32 -0700
From: "John Zuehlke" <jpzuehlke@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR in Bridgeport & San Diego & what's more
    important   ~~~ cutting the nude scene
To: <Mb-hair@islandlists.com>
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>From the glowing reviews of Debbie Andrews, Michael Butler, Jonathon Johnson, 
and "little birdie" it sounds like Hebe and I missed two excellent productions 
of HAiR. Too bad the San Diego run was so short - had it been longer, we might 
have been able to get down there.

----------

Debbie Andrews related her experience in doing the nude scene thirty years ago 
in comparison with the present Bridgeport production by saying: "... was it 
always that dark when we did it?" Since all of the productions of HAiR that I 
have seen were mounted in California, I cannot comment on the two aforementioned 
shows, but, in general, I feel that the way the scene is performed has changed 
over the years.

IMHO, modern productions seem to have longer, freer, and more brightly lit nude 
scenes than the shows of the seventies. I recall feeling that the nude scene in 
the Los Angeles (Aquarius Theater) production was reasonably lighted but 
performed so quickly and furtively that it appeared that the cast was almost 
ashamed to perform it. The production in San Francisco, however, though 
similarly short, seemed much freer and much more fun. I believe that Michael 
Butler expressed a somewhat similar perception in his review of the Bridgeport 
HAiR: "I agree that the nude was too dark. ... its darkness made a negative 
feeling."

Current productions, when they choose to do a nude scene, seem much more free. 
In the best productions (IMHO) the cast appears proud and defiant, and sends an 
in-your-face message.

As a side note that may not have any relevance to the nude scene in HAiR, I 
remember a local college production of "Equus." The nude scene was performed on 
a very dimly lit stage, and lights were aimed to shine into the audience. The 
poor actors had to perform with the audience clearly visible to them. They could 
see the audience fidgeting, craning their necks, and holding their hands up in a 
vain attempt to see the actors on stage, while all the audience could see of the 
actors were dim shadows! 

------------

Jonathon Johnson wrote: "Hair at UCSD in San Diego was fantastic! ... Nothing 
was cut! Not even the nude scene! In fact, they slipped nakedness into a few 
other surprise places!" I would really love to hear what additional uses were 
made of nudity. Nina mentioned two places where nudity has been used in HAiR: 
"Of the productions that keep it in, most place it where it was on Broadway (at 
the end of Where Do I Go?) but some move it, often to Walking in Space." I have 
always felt that nudity would be very natural and beneficial to the "Walking in 
Space" scene, but, unfortunately, none of the many California productions that I 
have seen have done it this way.

Personally, I have been somewhat bothered with the nudity coming at the end of 
"Where Do I Go?" I would like to see nudity during the "Be In" at the park where 
the kids are joyously dancing and celebrating and generally "scaring some 
tourists." It would send a strong, anarchistic, "up the establishment" message 
that culminates in the burning of their draft cards. When Claude is unable to 
burn his card, and thereby break with the conservative establishment, the party 
mood crashes into the very solemn and plaintive "Where Do I Go?" The tribe 
getting nude here has always struck me as out-of-place, and possibly a 
gratuitous way of ending the first act with a controversial "punch". 

A question about the San Diego production for Jonathon (or anyone else who saw 
it): If nudity was used at the end of "Where Do I Go?", did Claude participate 
in it? Hebe and I have enjoyed those productions where he does participate in 
the tribe's nudity because it shows that he is still a part of the tribe as well 
as simultaneously emphasizing his child-like vulnerability. This makes his 
inability to drop out by burning his draft card even more poignant when he sings 
"Where Do I Go?" 

Another place nudity is often used is in the "flash" at the end of the Tourist 
Couple (Margaret Mead) scene. I would love to see "her" flash followed by one 
from a woman playing Hubert!

One production we saw had a naked "Aquarius" who "morphed" into Claude when he 
is summoned by the tribe's chant of "Aquarius, Aquarius." This would have been a 
neat effect except for the fact that the girl who played Aquarius did not have a 
pitcher or some other item to identify her. It took three performances before I 
was certain of the director's intent in using the effect!

Finally, has anyone seen nudity used in "The Bed"? It would be a natural there, 
and it could help to clarify the fact that Claude and Sheila are going to have 
sex - a fact that is often obscured by the joyous singing and dancing of the 
tribe. 


------------

When Nina wrote "I can't recall if any of the minors on Broadway (WMH, Janet 
Powell, Debbie Andrews) did the nude scene or not" Debbie Andrews replied 
"Anyway, funny note - I had never seen a naked man until I did the nude scene

(swear to God, I'm not lying - Catholic school, dad was a cop., barely 16.....) 
pretty funny?" In the current political climate, I cannot imagine that any 
production would even dare allow a minor to do a nude scene!

--------------

Richard Haase wrote: "horrors
for me hair without the nude scene is like non alcoholic 
champagne"

This observation is very true. HAiR was the first Broadway musical to feature 
nudity, and, with only a few exceptions (like "Stephen Sondheim's Passion"), it 
still holds that distinction. (Although nudity, presented in a far more sexual 
context, was used in many productions of Richard Straus' 1905 opera "Salome".) 
For better or for worse, HAiR is known for its "nude scene," and, I believe, 
audiences feel cheated when it is omitted. In essence, the nudity has become so 
de rigueur that it is in danger of becoming gratuitous. Ironically, the solution 
to this problem may be the inclusion of more, contextually correct nudity rather 
than its reduction! So, I heartily commend Richard when he said: "next 
production of it i do im going to kick the nude scene up a notch in fact".

After all, isn't that what HAiR is all about?


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Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:05:55 -0400
From: joseph.simon@fandm.edu
Subject: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
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Thank you to all of you who gave me ideas and sent me warm words of 
support and encouragement.  I have to defend my proposal for HAIR 
this sunday and the executive board will decide then whether or not 
it is the show that we will do next year.

Richard,
Let me try and clear this up for you.  There are african american 
people on campus, not a whole lot, but enough.  They, however, have 
not traditionally been a large part of the theater groups. I was 
asking my questions to see what other options there were based on who 
I knew I had, as opposed to what kinds of recruiting I would have to 
do.  I would never put on an all white HAIR, I to think that gets 
away from the message of the show, but this is a small liberal arts 
school in "hickville" PA, so its not going to be overwhelmingly 
diversified.  I hope that clears the situation up for you.

Again to everyone, thank you for your support.

-Joe
-- 
Joseph Simon

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
                -Shakespeare


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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:14:24 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
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Dear Joe,

Good luck with the board. Please let us know what they decide. If they say 
yes, this list can be a great resource to brainstorm ideas on your 
production. Hope we will hear more from you.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: joseph.simon@fandm.edu
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
>Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 10:05:55 -0400
>
>Thank you to all of you who gave me ideas and sent me warm words of support 
>and encouragement.  I have to defend my proposal for HAIR this sunday and 
>the executive board will decide then whether or not it is the show that we 
>will do next year.
>
>Richard,
>Let me try and clear this up for you.  There are african american people on 
>campus, not a whole lot, but enough.  They, however, have not traditionally 
>been a large part of the theater groups. I was asking my questions to see 
>what other options there were based on who I knew I had, as opposed to what 
>kinds of recruiting I would have to do.  I would never put on an all white 
>HAIR, I to think that gets away from the message of the show, but this is a 
>small liberal arts school in "hickville" PA, so its not going to be 
>overwhelmingly diversified.  I hope that clears the situation up for you.
>
>Again to everyone, thank you for your support.
>
>-Joe
>--
>Joseph Simon
>
>"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
>               -Shakespeare
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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 08:25:45 -0700
From: "ace" <ace@aceross.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
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Cara...which trader joes? Love that place:) 

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:22 AM
To: HAIR List
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere

What is her name?
XO Michael

> ...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a 
> vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress 
> whom I hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" 
> in Paris, (which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin 
> who was in Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were 
> talking and reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the 
> San Francisco and Paris "Hair" Productions!!  Wow.
> Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal 
> friends, and to also turn her onto this list.
> Ditto Corinne!
> Love, Cara
> 
> From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400
> 
> That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all. 
> BTW, just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State 
> High School Thespians.
> 
> PEACE,
> Leo
> 
>> From: venuetheatre@juno.com
>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, 
>> and I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at 
>> Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............
>> 
>> JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>> 
>> Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his 
>> e-mail if anyone has been looking for him.
>> 
>> God I love this business.
>> 
>> Corinne
> 
> 
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:31:56 -0400
From: lilacamy11@aol.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Some questions
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
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 I believe some companies
>>  have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard
>>  time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled
>>  with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>seen
>>  it done.

 
When I was in HAIR, we didn't have a black male. Instead of gender switching we 
played it as a white man who was very sympathetic to the black cause and related 
to blacks. It went well... not perfect, and we had to change a few things around 
and cut some things, but it went ok....
 
- Amy

"Life is around you and in you... Let the Sunshine In!"
- from HAIR (the musical)

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream"  - e.e. cummings
 
 
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   1. RE: A Few Questions (joseph.simon@fandm.edu)
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   3. Re: A Few Questions (richard haase)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:44:22 -0400
From: joseph.simon@fandm.edu
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
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Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem. 
Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies 
specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for 
a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence 
in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.


>Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>
>It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small 
>amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions 
>that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that 
>work, although the strongest productions are often those with a 
>larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial 
>equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines 
>as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take 
>each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't 
>they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song 
>Colored Spade.
>
>Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written 
>specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses, 
>while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender 
>switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on 
>Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a 
>man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an 
>uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting 
>this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking 
>that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with 
>this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having 
>seen it done.
>
>There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could 
>open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school 
>community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly 
>encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are 
>mounting a production of Hair.
>
>I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you 
>speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this 
>problem, or in the show in general?
>
>Nina
>The Hair Archives
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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-- 
Joseph Simon

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
                -Shakespeare


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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:11:18 -0400
From: joseph.simon@fandm.edu
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
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There are plenty of black people in PA, yes.  But, I'm doing a 
student run production.  So, I'm talking specifically about the 
student body on my campus.  Sorry I didn't make that clear earlier, 
so that's where the casting gets tricky.


>joe there are plenty of black people in PA
>also you can have ny or philly auditions for a day etc
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:36 AM
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
>
>
>>  Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
>>
>>  It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
>amount
>>  of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions that had
>only
>>  a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that work, although the
>>  strongest productions are often those with a larger mix. There are songs
>and
>>  lines in Hair that reference racial equality, and this is one of Hair's
>>  messages. Even such simple lines as in Claude's hallucination when a black
>>  man and a white man take each others arms and say "Black and white go nice
>>  together, don't they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the
>>  song Colored Spade.
>>
>>  Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
>specifically
>>  to be played by African American actors and actresses, while others are
>not
>>  specified. I have seen success with gender switching in the role of Hud.
>>  Delores Hall understudied that role on Broadway, and was good when she
>>  played it. Hud isn't necessarily a man, but he is most definitely black.
>>  Your problem is not an uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies
>>  have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard
>>  time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled
>>  with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having
>seen
>>  it done.
>>
>>  There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could open
>>  auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school community
>>  because of these special circumstances? I would strongly encourage you to
>>  try and find some ethnic diversity if you are mounting a production of
>Hair.
>>
>>  I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you speak
>of
>>  vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this problem, or in the
>show
>>  in general?
>>
>>  Nina
>>  The Hair Archives
>>  http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________

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-- 
Joseph Simon

"It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
                -Shakespeare


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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:34:47 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
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joe with most colleges though
if the vast majority of the production is student body
they will let you bring in people a few etc
its par for the course
and there arent many opportunities
you will even get people to come in for a student production
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> There are plenty of black people in PA, yes.  But, I'm doing a
> student run production.  So, I'm talking specifically about the
> student body on my campus.  Sorry I didn't make that clear earlier,
> so that's where the casting gets tricky.
>
>
> >joe there are plenty of black people in PA
> >also you can have ny or philly auditions for a day etc
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:36 AM
> >Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> >
> >
> >>  Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >>
> >>  It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small
> >amount
> >>  of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions that had
> >only
> >>  a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that work, although the
> >>  strongest productions are often those with a larger mix. There are
songs
> >and
> >>  lines in Hair that reference racial equality, and this is one of
Hair's
> >>  messages. Even such simple lines as in Claude's hallucination when a
black
> >>  man and a white man take each others arms and say "Black and white go
nice
> >>  together, don't they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention
the
> >>  song Colored Spade.
> >>
> >>  Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written
> >specifically
> >>  to be played by African American actors and actresses, while others
are
> >not
> >>  specified. I have seen success with gender switching in the role of
Hud.
> >>  Delores Hall understudied that role on Broadway, and was good when she
> >>  played it. Hud isn't necessarily a man, but he is most definitely
black.
> >>  Your problem is not an uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some
companies
> >>  have tried casting this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a
hard
> >>  time thinking that could work, but perhaps others here who have
struggled
> >>  with this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never
having
> >seen
> >>  it done.
> >>
> >>  There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could open
> >>  auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school community
> >>  because of these special circumstances? I would strongly encourage you
to
> >>  try and find some ethnic diversity if you are mounting a production of
> >Hair.
> >>
> >>  I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you
speak
> >of
> >>  vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this problem, or in
the
> >show
> >>  in general?
> >>
> >>  Nina
> >>  The Hair Archives
> >>  http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >>
> >>
> >>  _______________________________________________
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> >
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>
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
>
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 14:35:57 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c54057$a26e57c0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
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import some joe
but honestly if thats touchy
bringing in black people
why would you want to do hair?
an all white hair?
kind of an oxy moron
anyway good luck joe
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <joseph.simon@fandm.edu>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions


> Yes, I meant gender switching in regards to the diversity problem. 
> Thank you very much for you suggestions.  My problem lies 
> specifically in African Americans, I have enough people of color for 
> a good tribe, there just really is not an African American influence 
> in the organization I am a part of.  Thanks again for your help.
> 
> 
> >Hi Joe, and welcome to the Hair list.
> >
> >It would be hard to do a production of Hair without at least a small 
> >amount of racial diversity in the cast. I have seen many productions 
> >that had only a few people of color in the Tribe, and seen that 
> >work, although the strongest productions are often those with a 
> >larger mix. There are songs and lines in Hair that reference racial 
> >equality, and this is one of Hair's messages. Even such simple lines 
> >as in Claude's hallucination when a black man and a white man take 
> >each others arms and say "Black and white go nice together, don't 
> >they?" would have to be cut or changed. Not to mention the song 
> >Colored Spade.
> >
> >Certain roles, and the songs those characters sing, are written 
> >specifically to be played by African American actors and actresses, 
> >while others are not specified. I have seen success with gender 
> >switching in the role of Hud. Delores Hall understudied that role on 
> >Broadway, and was good when she played it. Hud isn't necessarily a 
> >man, but he is most definitely black. Your problem is not an 
> >uncommon one, sadly, and I believe some companies have tried casting 
> >this role with a caucasian actor. I would have a hard time thinking 
> >that could work, but perhaps others here who have struggled with 
> >this situation can tell you more about it than I can, never having 
> >seen it done.
> >
> >There are other ways to fill in your company - perhaps you could 
> >open auditions to faculty and staff? To people outside the school 
> >community because of these special circumstances? I would strongly 
> >encourage you to try and find some ethnic diversity if you are 
> >mounting a production of Hair.
> >
> >I am not sure what you are asking in your last paragraph, when you 
> >speak of vocal or gender switching. Do you mean to solve this 
> >problem, or in the show in general?
> >
> >Nina
> >The Hair Archives
> >http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joseph Simon
> 
> "It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves."
> -Shakespeare
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:46:57 -0700
From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Explanation and Thanks
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Joe,
Great and good luck on Sunday.
Do let us know what happens.
We are here to help.
Michael, et al
-- Never doubt that a group of thoughtful, committed
citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only
thing that ever has.   Margaret Mead





> Thank you to all of you who gave me ideas and sent me warm words of
> support and encouragement.  I have to defend my proposal for HAIR
> this sunday and the executive board will decide then whether or not
> it is the show that we will do next year.
> 
> Richard,
> Let me try and clear this up for you.  There are african american
> people on campus, not a whole lot, but enough.  They, however, have
> not traditionally been a large part of the theater groups. I was
> asking my questions to see what other options there were based on who
> I knew I had, as opposed to what kinds of recruiting I would have to
> do.  I would never put on an all white HAIR, I to think that gets
> away from the message of the show, but this is a small liberal arts
> school in "hickville" PA, so its not going to be overwhelmingly
> diversified.  I hope that clears the situation up for you.
> 
> Again to everyone, thank you for your support.
> 
> -Joe



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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 14:50:41 -0400
From: "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>
Subject: [Mb-hair] the Prez explains...maybe something for the civics
    list...
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Hi Michael,
 thought this was interesting, but don't know how to send it to the civics
list

Hugs
 Dagmar
pretty dismal, isn't it?


The President Clears It All Up.
Where the President explains the virtues of his Social Security plan,
Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005. 

This is the record verbatim:
Woman in audience: "I don't really understand. How is it the new
[Social Security] plan is going to fix that problem?"

President Bush:
"Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost
drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the
table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price
increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being
considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers,
affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get
what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has
been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled.
Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example,
benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the
increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits
will
rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform
that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words,
how
fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those --
if that growth is affected, it will help on the red."
 


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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Thu Apr 14 15:52:29 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Thu Apr 14 15:55:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: A Few Questions
References: <200504141854.j3EIsLLX023215@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <001401c54144$a316a900$6401a8c0@Leo>

Guess I'll briefly toss in my 2 coppers worth Joe. In the 3 times I've 
directed HAIR I've never been able to get a black brother to even audition. 
And man it wasn't for a lack of trying. I sent out audition notices to all 
colleges in the area, to a coupla African American churches in Portland, to 
the NAACP, and to an organization here in Maine that is exclusive to African 
American performers (the name eludes me at the moment) and audition notices 
also went out to every theater list and publication of which I'm a member. I 
live in Maine and we certainly aren't overly loaded with black brothers & 
sisters but Portland is just up the road (about 40 minutes) and they have a 
large contingency of African Americans; it just didn't work out for me. The 
best I did one year was to get 2 black sisters in the tribe and the other 2 
years I had only 1 black sister. She played Hud and took all the appropriate 
lines (eg. "black & white go nice together...."). It wasn't the best case 
scenario, but it worked. So there's your gender switch! And 2 of the 3 years 
I directed HAIR I had a tribe of 14. As long as you have a lotta love, much 
camaraderie, and a kick ass band you won't go wrong.

PEACE,
Leo

> From: joseph.simon@fandm.edu
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] A Few Questions
> Yeah.  I know, and there are plenty of african americans on campus
> here who would be more than happy to play the role.  I was just
> looking at what else has been done that's all.  thanks for all your
> help!


From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 14 16:06:37 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Thu Apr 14 16:10:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My 2 cents
Message-ID: <20050414230637.46480.qmail@web52507.mail.yahoo.com>

Just an FYI-Hair in Germany in 1971-there was no reference point in Germany at that time
for all the racial references in Colored Spade.From what I had translated to me,mostly
the song was about American Indians and Africans.With a timely mention of an African
dictator who was rumored to be a cannibal.There was a popular Indian character named
Winnietoo who got several mentions thruout the show but I can only remember the one when
Margaret Meade asked about our Heroes.As for changing male for female casting-I was
offered to go into the dress in the ill-fated Roman production and in Spain I sang Black
Boys a number of times and not in a dress.XOX M

Michael David Arian 
michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 14 17:05:26 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Thu Apr 14 17:09:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR in Tanzania
In-Reply-To: <cfd503cc050414133851069648@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F8E0D265DB38E64F8E0D6FB2360@phx.gbl>

Hi David,

So glad you have joined us. We all look forward to hearing about your 
production as it unfolds. Welcome!

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Apr 14 17:12:53 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Apr 14 17:16:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR in Tanzania
References: <BAY104-F8E0D265DB38E64F8E0D6FB2360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <02af01c5414f$de5ebe20$6e436c42@hotprojects>

yes good good luck
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:05 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] HAiR in Tanzania


> Hi David,
> 
> So glad you have joined us. We all look forward to hearing about your 
> production as it unfolds. Welcome!
> 
> Nina
> 
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> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> 
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From swiggard at comcast.net  Thu Apr 14 17:28:48 2005
From: swiggard at comcast.net (William Swiggard)
Date: Thu Apr 14 17:32:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR in Tanzania
In-Reply-To: <cfd503cc050414133851069648@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfd503cc050414133851069648@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <425F0AC0.6060904@comcast.net>

Hey there David -

Welcome to the group!  How exciting to envision HAIR in Tanzania!  
Please invite the co-directors and everyone connected with your 
production to join too.  You will find a terrific amount of experience 
here and in the Archives, from people who have done HAIR all sorts of 
ways, all over the world, over almost four decades.  So PLEASE ask 
questions - conceptual and technical, historic and cultural, musical, 
choreographic - anything really.  One of the best things about this list 
is the collaborative conversations on HAIR that develop as we discuss, 
reminisce, re-create and create anew, all at once.  As you are beginning 
to discover, HAIR is a very rich piece on many levels. 

This show changes people.  It sure has changed most of us, in a lasting 
and powerful way.  May it do the same for you.

We look forward to hearing about your Tribe as it evolves.

Peace, Love, Freedom, Happiness -
Bill
Bill Swiggard
Mercury National Tour, 1971-72 (Claude)


>  
>
From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Thu Apr 14 19:02:24 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Thu Apr 14 19:06:08 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR in Tanzania
References: <cfd503cc050414133851069648@mail.gmail.com>
	<425F0AC0.6060904@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005301c5415f$2ab8a650$4065fea9@Charles>

Hello David,

You will find you will have a wonderful production on your hands. A very 
powerful show with an incredible message. Once you start the show you won't 
want to stop. It is a lot of fun, hard work but loads of fun for both tribe 
members and audiences. Keep as much as the show in the show as you can, that 
enhances everthing even more. If you need any help with costuming, staging 
or what ever just ask, most of us know the ropes, we've been there.

Peace, Love, Happpeness, Joy, Grace,& Blessing
~~Charles~~Tribe Member Broadway 1968-1970 and one of the World Wide 
Desigers
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Swiggard" <swiggard@comcast.net>
To: "David Erickson" <bror.00@gmail.com>; <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR in Tanzania


> Hey there David -
>
> Welcome to the group!  How exciting to envision HAIR in Tanzania!  Please 
> invite the co-directors and everyone connected with your production to 
> join too.  You will find a terrific amount of experience here and in the 
> Archives, from people who have done HAIR all sorts of ways, all over the 
> world, over almost four decades.  So PLEASE ask questions - conceptual and 
> technical, historic and cultural, musical, choreographic - anything 
> really.  One of the best things about this list is the collaborative 
> conversations on HAIR that develop as we discuss, reminisce, re-create and 
> create anew, all at once.  As you are beginning to discover, HAIR is a 
> very rich piece on many levels.
> This show changes people.  It sure has changed most of us, in a lasting 
> and powerful way.  May it do the same for you.
>
> We look forward to hearing about your Tribe as it evolves.
>
> Peace, Love, Freedom, Happiness -
> Bill
> Bill Swiggard
> Mercury National Tour, 1971-72 (Claude)
>
>
>>
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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 14 19:16:54 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Thu Apr 14 19:20:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
In-Reply-To: <BE83CAB1.20586%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F252029ADB13BDCA4A37D66B4360@phx.gbl>

I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember her last name. Was wavering b/w 
Ellen and Eileen as her first name when I approached her...recalling the 
first initial at all made me happy!!  Hopefully she'll email me and we'll 
get the info.
XO C

From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:22:25 -0700

What is her name?
XO Michael

 > ...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a
 > vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress whom 
I
 > hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" in Paris,
 > (which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin who was in
 > Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were talking and
 > reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the San Francisco 
and
 > Paris "Hair" Productions!!  Wow.
 > Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal 
friends,
 > and to also turn her onto this list.
 > Ditto Corinne!
 > Love, Cara
 >
 > From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
 > Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
 > To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
 > Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
 > Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400
 >
 > That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all. 
BTW,
 > just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State High 
School
 > Thespians.
 >
 > PEACE,
 > Leo
 >
 >> From: venuetheatre@juno.com
 >> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
 >
 >> Hello all
 >>
 >> So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians, 
and
 >> I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
 >> Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............
 >>
 >> JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
 >>
 >> Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
 >> if anyone has been looking for him.
 >>
 >> God I love this business.
 >>
 >> Corinne
 >
 >
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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 14 20:28:31 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Thu Apr 14 20:32:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] the Prez explains...maybe something for the
	civicslist...
In-Reply-To: <BE844869.20607%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F23AD1EDC65EB87BCD4AF08B4360@phx.gbl>

Sounds like a comic strip.  Everyone's making jokes about it.

From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] the Prez explains...maybe something for the 
civicslist...
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:18:49 -0700

Read it 3X still doesn't mak sense.
Send it to mb-civic@islandlists.com.
Any problem, let me know
XO Michael
 >
 >
 > Hi Michael,
 > thought this was interesting, but don't know how to send it to the civics
 > list
 >
 > Hugs
 > Dagmar
 > pretty dismal, isn't it?
 >
 >
 > The President Clears It All Up.
 > Where the President explains the virtues of his Social Security plan,
 > Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005.
 >
 > This is the record verbatim:
 > Woman in audience: "I don't really understand. How is it the new
 > [Social Security] plan is going to fix that problem?"
 >
 > President Bush:
 > "Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost
 > drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the
 > table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price
 > increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being
 > considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers,
 > affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to 
get
 > what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that 
has
 > been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled.
 > Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example,
 > benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to 
the
 > increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits
 > will
 > rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a 
reform
 > that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other 
words,
 > how
 > fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those --
 > if that growth is affected, it will help on the red."
 >
 >
 >
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Thu Apr 14 20:35:24 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Thu Apr 14 20:39:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] the Prez explains...maybe something for the civics
	list...
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV3E0AAD7A71A064C31D17AAB360@phx.gbl>

Michael and Dagmar....

I read it three times and I agree it does NOT make sense... but... maybe that is the point...  HE  does not make sense.

pace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Butler
Sent: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:18:49 -0700
To: HAIR List
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] the Prez explains...maybe something for the civics list...

Read it 3X still doesn't mak sense.
Send it to mb-civic@islandlists.com.
Any problem, let me know
XO Michael
> 
> 
> Hi Michael,
> thought this was interesting, but don't know how to send it to the civics
> list
> 
> Hugs
> Dagmar
> pretty dismal, isn't it?
> 
> 
> The President Clears It All Up.
> Where the President explains the virtues of his Social Security plan,
> Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005.
> 
> This is the record verbatim:
> Woman in audience: "I don't really understand. How is it the new
> [Social Security] plan is going to fix that problem?"
> 
> President Bush:
> "Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost
> drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the
> table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price
> increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being
> considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers,
> affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get
> what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has
> been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled.
> Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example,
> benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the
> increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits
> will
> rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. There is a reform
> that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words,
> how
> fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those --
> if that growth is affected, it will help on the red."
> 
> 
> 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Apr 15 09:30:50 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Apr 15 06:35:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F252029ADB13BDCA4A37D66B4360@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BE853A4A.20675%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Senior Moment? Have them all the time.
XO M

> I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember her last name. Was wavering b/w
> Ellen and Eileen as her first name when I approached her...recalling the
> first initial at all made me happy!!  Hopefully she'll email me and we'll
> get the info.
> XO C
> 
> From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:22:25 -0700
> 
> What is her name?
> XO Michael
> 
>> ...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a
>> vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress whom
> I
>> hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" in Paris,
>> (which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin who was in
>> Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were talking and
>> reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the San Francisco
> and
>> Paris "Hair" Productions!!  Wow.
>> Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal
> friends,
>> and to also turn her onto this list.
>> Ditto Corinne!
>> Love, Cara
>> 
>> From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
>> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
>> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400
>> 
>> That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all.
> BTW,
>> just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State High
> School
>> Thespians.
>> 
>> PEACE,
>> Leo
>> 
>>> From: venuetheatre@juno.com
>>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
>> 
>>> Hello all
>>> 
>>> So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians,
> and
>>> I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
>>> Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............
>>> 
>>> JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
>>> 
>>> Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his e-mail
>>> if anyone has been looking for him.
>>> 
>>> God I love this business.
>>> 
>>> Corinne
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>> 
>> 
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From wmichaelharris at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 15 06:59:59 2005
From: wmichaelharris at earthlink.net (Walter Michael Harris)
Date: Fri Apr 15 07:03:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR Nude scene
Message-ID: <425FC8DF.2020301@earthlink.net>

Nina:
I was 16 in 1968 and did the nude scene much of the time during my 
eleven months with the show.
As I've said, I went in an actor and came out a hippie.

All:
In my opinion the nude scene is not essential to a successful HAIR 
production.
The message is.

WMH


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Apr 15 10:05:03 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Apr 15 07:09:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Life Before Computers
In-Reply-To: <1f2.7bb0b8d.2f905ae3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BE85424F.20688%michael@michaelbutler.com>


------ Forwarded Message
From: TSawyer456@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:46:43 EDT
To: TSawyer456@aol.com
Subject: Life Before Computers

Memory was something  you lost with age
An application was for  employment
A program was a TV  show
A cursor used  profanity

A keyboard was  a piano
A web was a spider's home
A  virus was the flu
A CD was a bank  account

A hard drive was a long  trip on the road
A mouse pad was where a mouse  lived

And  if you had a 3 inch  floppy...


... you just hoped nobody ever found out!



------ End of Forwarded Message

From ace at aceross.com  Fri Apr 15 07:08:46 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Fri Apr 15 07:12:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Life Before Computers
In-Reply-To: <BE85424F.20688%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20050415140847.475A83AE5B9@lax-gw06.mroute.net>

Thank you for the smile....good morning star shine:) the earth say's hello:)


-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:05 AM
To: Civic; HAIR List
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Life Before Computers


------ Forwarded Message
From: TSawyer456@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:46:43 EDT
To: TSawyer456@aol.com
Subject: Life Before Computers

Memory was something  you lost with age
An application was for  employment
A program was a TV  show
A cursor used  profanity

A keyboard was  a piano
A web was a spider's home
A  virus was the flu
A CD was a bank  account

A hard drive was a long  trip on the road A mouse pad was where a mouse
lived

And  if you had a 3 inch  floppy...


... you just hoped nobody ever found out!



------ End of Forwarded Message

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From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr 15 08:36:20 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Fri Apr 15 08:40:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Jackets
Message-ID: <001f01c541d0$e1f96c70$4065fea9@Charles>

Ha Michael,

Question before I ask this on the HAiR site. Do you think it would be appropriate to put Light Jackets back in all the shows that are coming into production at this time and how would be the best way to approach those that are putting them on. 

Peace, Love, Care, Joy, Happiness, Grace, & Blessings
~~Charles~~
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From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Apr 15 08:50:44 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Jackets
In-Reply-To: <001f01c541d0$e1f96c70$4065fea9@Charles>
Message-ID: <BE855A2C.206B9%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Ask James Rado

> Ha Michael,
> 
> Question before I ask this on the HAiR site. Do you think it would be
> appropriate to put Light Jackets back in all the shows that are coming into
> production at this time and how would be the best way to approach those that
> are putting them on.
> 
> Peace, Love, Care, Joy, Happiness, Grace, & Blessings
> ~~Charles~~
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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 15 11:38:50 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Fri Apr 15 11:42:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
In-Reply-To: <BE853A4A.20675%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY103-F22AFD268F63D8CAFF22030B4360@phx.gbl>

Dahling, I prefer to call it a "coup de vieux"...which loosely translated 
would be a "hit of old(er) age"...!!
XO C

From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 09:30:50 -0700

Senior Moment? Have them all the time.
XO M

 > I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember her last name. Was wavering b/w
 > Ellen and Eileen as her first name when I approached her...recalling the
 > first initial at all made me happy!!  Hopefully she'll email me and we'll
 > get the info.
 > XO C
 >
 > From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
 > Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
 > To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
 > Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
 > Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 07:22:25 -0700
 >
 > What is her name?
 > XO Michael
 >
 >> ...and here I am this evening, shopping at Trader Joe's in LA, when a
 >> vaguely familiar face in another check-out line appears...an actress 
whom
 > I
 >> hadn't seen for 28 years, since I cast her in "Liquid Theatre" in Paris,
 >> (which was produced by the late, wonderful, Brooke Lappin who was in
 >> Management with Broadway "Hair")...and as Eileen and I were talking and
 >> reminiscing, somehow it came out that she had been in the San Francisco
 > and
 >> Paris "Hair" Productions!!  Wow.
 >> Gave her my email to put her in touch with some of her old tribal
 > friends,
 >> and to also turn her onto this list.
 >> Ditto Corinne!
 >> Love, Cara
 >>
 >> From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
 >> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
 >> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
 >> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
 >> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 23:26:22 -0400
 >>
 >> That is totally righteous Corinne; tis indeed a small world after all.
 > BTW,
 >> just 3 weeks ago I was in Rockport, Maine as a judge for State High
 > School
 >> Thespians.
 >>
 >> PEACE,
 >> Leo
 >>
 >>> From: venuetheatre@juno.com
 >>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Running into HAiR Everywhere
 >>
 >>> Hello all
 >>>
 >>> So, there I was in Tampa, as a judge for State High School Thespians,
 > and
 >>> I start talking to this beautiful young woman (who is a techie at
 >>> Julliard), and lo and behold  HER DADDY IS .............
 >>>
 >>> JIM CARTER, HAiR circa 1972-3 Mercury out of Chicago!
 >>>
 >>> Is that a hoot or what?  I am sending him the links, and have his 
e-mail
 >>> if anyone has been looking for him.
 >>>
 >>> God I love this business.
 >>>
 >>> Corinne
 >>
 >>
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Apr 15 17:30:07 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Apr 15 14:55:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Street Gang
In-Reply-To: <20050415191817.79798.qmail@web81702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BE85AAA1.20701%michael@michaelbutler.com>


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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT)
To: Gerald Cooper <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Street Gang

Out looking for HUgs and food .. I guess

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From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Fri Apr 15 22:30:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Love
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From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Sat Apr 16 01:56:02 2005
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From ace at aceross.com  Sat Apr 16 11:43:09 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sat Apr 16 11:47:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] VHI and Peter Jennings tape update.
In-Reply-To: <131190-22005461616406375@M2W114.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <20050416184318.19B7E38809E@gw01-bur.mroute.net>

Dagmar, I can not make a copy......... I got yelled at for this post:(

-----Original Message-----
From: fotoblue@flash.net [mailto:fotoblue@flash.net] 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 9:40 AM
To: ace@aceross.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] VHI and Peter Jennings tape update.

CANT' WAIT!

 Thanks

Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: ace ace@aceross.com
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 13:33:04 -0800
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] VHI and Peter Jennings tape update.


 Jonathan was kind enough to lend me the tapes he has in his
collection....Instead of paying 350 an hour to edit out the commercials and
compress the tape onto DVD. I bought a new computer and hardware to do it
myself....when it is done I will get everybody a copy on a secret web page. 

Sherwin





-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Little Birdie
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 1:20 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Question

Charles asks:

>Does anyone know how to get hold of Sally Eaton. Where she at and what 
>is she doing.

Sally Eaton is very well. She asks that her email address not be given out,
but if you send an email to her to my email address  dayton3@rcn.com and
write in the subject line "Please forward to Sally Eaton" I will forward it
on to her, and she can reply directly to you.

Sally is in the VH1 Hair Behind The Music documentary from a few years ago.

Nina

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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sat Apr 16 10:10:24 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sat Apr 16 12:19:59 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Street Gang
Message-ID: <10710-220054616171024611@M2W077.mail2web.com>

Fabulous!!

 I love it
 we don't get bears aound our house, but bobcats and javelinas (wild
mexican pigs, 
belonging actually to the bear family!)


Dagmar

Original Message:
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From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:30:07 -0700
To: mb-civic@islandlists.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com,
michael@michaelbutler.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Street Gang



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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT)
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Apr 16 14:35:32 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Apr 16 14:39:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Street Gang
References: <10710-220054616171024611@M2W077.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <01ee01c542cc$381bba30$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i see youve got a shot of the producers league
middle photo
lol
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] FW: Street Gang


Fabulous!!

 I love it
 we don't get bears aound our house, but bobcats and javelinas (wild
mexican pigs,
belonging actually to the bear family!)


Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:30:07 -0700
To: mb-civic@islandlists.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com,
michael@michaelbutler.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Street Gang



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Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:18:17 -0700 (PDT)
To: Gerald Cooper <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Street Gang

Out looking for HUgs and food .. I guess

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From michael at intrafi.com  Sun Apr 17 11:58:22 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sun Apr 17 12:02:16 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] DVD Sales Figures Turn Every Film Into a Mystery
Message-ID: <19326871.1113764302516.JavaMail.turbine@s73>

This story was sent to you by: michael butler

--------------------
DVD Sales Figures Turn Every Film Into a Mystery 
--------------------

Studios closely guard details of what is a major source of profit and a growing area of dispute.

By John Horn
Times Staff Writer

Apr 17 2005

Peter Jackson's three "Lord of the Rings" movies have brought New Line Cinema extraordinary fame and fortune. The trilogy won 17 Academy Awards, including one best picture Oscar, and sold $2.91 billion in movie tickets around the globe. The movies also were a huge hit on DVD, with overall sales totaling &#8212; well, if you actually happen to know, please call Jackson's lawyers. 

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.calendarlive.com/cl-et-dvdmoney17apr17,0,2255451.story
From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Apr 18 15:18:54 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Apr 18 12:24:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Radical in the White House By BOB HERBERT
Message-ID: <BE89805E.20872%michael@michaelbutler.com>

 The New York Times
April 18, 2005
OP-ED COLUMNIST
A Radical in the White House
By BOB HERBERT

Last week - April 12, to be exact - was the 60th anniversary of the death of
Franklin Delano Roosevelt. "I have a terrific headache," he said, before
collapsing at the Little White House in Warm Springs, Ga. He died of a
massive cerebral hemorrhage on the 83rd day of his fourth term as president.
His hold on the nation was such that most Americans, stunned by the
announcement of his death that spring afternoon, reacted as though they had
lost a close relative.

That more wasn't made of this anniversary is not just a matter of time; it's
a measure of the distance the U.S. has traveled from the egalitarian ideals
championed by F.D.R. His goal was "to make a country in which no one is left
out." That kind of thinking has long since been consigned to the political
dumpster. We're now in the age of Bush, Cheney and DeLay, small men
committed to the concentration of big bucks in the hands of the fortunate
few.

To get a sense of just how radical Roosevelt was (compared with the politics
of today), consider the State of the Union address he delivered from the
White House on Jan. 11, 1944. He was already in declining health and,
suffering from a cold, he gave the speech over the radio in the form of a
fireside chat.

After talking about the war, which was still being fought on two fronts, the
president offered what should have been recognized immediately for what it
was, nothing less than a blueprint for the future of the United States. It
was the clearest statement I've ever seen of the kind of nation the U.S.
could have become in the years between the end of World War II and now.
Roosevelt referred to his proposals in that speech as "a second Bill of
Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established
for all regardless of station, race or creed."

Among these rights, he said, are:

"The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or
farms or mines of the nation.

"The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and
recreation.

"The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which
will give him and his family a decent living.

"The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere
of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or
abroad.

"The right of every family to a decent home.

"The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy
good health.

"The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age,
sickness, accident and unemployment.

"The right to a good education."

I mentioned this a few days ago to an acquaintance who is 30 years old. She
said, "Wow, I can't believe a president would say that."

Roosevelt's vision gave conservatives in both parties apoplexy in 1944 and
it would still drive them crazy today. But the truth is that during the
1950's and 60's the nation made substantial progress toward his wonderfully
admirable goals, before the momentum of liberal politics slowed with the war
in Vietnam and the election in 1968 of Richard Nixon.

It wouldn't be long before Ronald Reagan was, as the historian Robert Dallek
put it, attacking Medicare as "the advance wave of socialism" and Dick
Cheney, from a seat in Congress, was giving the thumbs down to Head Start.
Mr. Cheney says he has since seen the light on Head Start. But his real idea
of a head start is to throw government money at people who already have more
cash than they know what to do with. He's one of the leaders of the G.O.P.
gang (the members should all wear masks) that has executed a wholesale
transfer of wealth via tax cuts from working people to the very rich.

Roosevelt was far from a perfect president, but he gave hope and a sense of
the possible to a nation in dire need. And he famously warned against giving
in to fear.

The nation is now in the hands of leaders who are experts at exploiting
fear, and indifferent to the needs and hopes, even the suffering, of
ordinary people.

"The test of our progress," said Roosevelt, "is not whether we add more to
the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for
those who have too little."

Sixty years after his death we should be raising a toast to F.D.R. and his
progressive ideas. And we should take that opportunity to ask: How in the
world did we allow ourselves to get from there to here?

E-mail: bobherb@nytimes.com

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Apr 19 17:41:24 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Apr 19 14:52:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The Demise Of Elegance
Message-ID: <BE8AF344.20913%michael@michaelbutler.com>


Michael Butler's Blog

http://www.michaelbutler.com/mbblog.html


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 20 12:04:26 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Wed Apr 20 12:08:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23
Message-ID: <BAY104-F24CDD6255A8BBEE28FE421B22B0@phx.gbl>

Hi all,

For those of you in or near NYC, Cafe LaMama (often called the spiritual 
home of Hair) is having a series of Coffeehouse Chronicles with guest 
speakers talking about their personal accounts of the history and 
development of the Experimental, International & Off-Off Broadway Theatre 
scenes in NYC and at La MaMa ETC from 1961 through 1969.

Saturday April 23, from 3-5 pm Michael Butler will be the guest speaker, 
with special guests Tom O'Horgan and many original and early Hair campany 
members. I'll be there, as will many other Tribe members (including a group 
from this list), List member and Hair alum Michael David Arian is the AD of 
the series. It promises to be a great afternoon.

The following Saturday, April 30th, Original Hair cast member Walter Michael 
Harris will be the guest speaker, along with other Harris family members 
dicsussing their part in the scene back then. Wish I could be there for that 
one too - it should be fabulous!

LaMama is at 74A East 4th Street, in the East Village. For more information 
call the Box office at (212) 475-7710 or go to their web site at 
http://www.lamama.org

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 20 12:28:32 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Wed Apr 20 12:32:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Bridgeport Hair again
Message-ID: <BAY104-F113E2404FD444280D2DA30B22B0@phx.gbl>

Did anyone who took photos at our April 9th Bridgeport Hair get together get 
them developed, or off their camera yet? I would love copies of all for the 
Archives, but would settle for a couple posted here in the meantime. :-) 
Charles? Debbie?

A group of us went again, spur of the moment, last weekend, and had a great 
time, despite an older and much less demonstrative audience.  Sadly. we 
found out that the actor whose performance as Woof we had so enjoyed, Dennis 
Moench, will be leaving after the May 8th performance, and so will not be in 
the show when the larger group of us goes on May 21. They are casting from 
outside the company for his replacement, with Julie and Wesley working the 
new members (a Tribe member also has to leave for another commitment) into 
the show. As they did the entire show in two weeks originally this should be 
a piece of cake! (I cannot imagine doing Hair in two weeks....)

The producers asked that we tell them which alumni are coming on the 21st, 
so make sure that you let me know if you are going. I'll send them the list 
closer to the day itself, so there is still plenty of time to get tickets 
and join us.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From djbrook at hevanet.com  Wed Apr 20 10:56:21 2005
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Wed Apr 20 14:02:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23
References: <BAY104-F24CDD6255A8BBEE28FE421B22B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004101c545d2$43b548d0$64153dc0@djb>

This sounds so wonderful, Nina. Wish I could be there (I will be, in
spirit).  Look forward to hearing your report after- have a wonderful time!

-Doris



----- Original Message -----
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>

>
> For those of you in or near NYC, Cafe LaMama (often called the spiritual
> home of Hair) is having a series of Coffeehouse Chronicles with guest
> speakers talking about their personal accounts of the history and
> development of the Experimental, International & Off-Off Broadway Theatre
> scenes in NYC and at La MaMa ETC from 1961 through 1969.
>
> Saturday April 23, from 3-5 pm Michael Butler will be the guest speaker,
> with special guests Tom O'Horgan and many original and early Hair campany
> members. I'll be there, as will many other Tribe members (including a
group
> from this list), List member and Hair alum Michael David Arian is the AD
of
> the series. It promises to be a great afternoon.
>
> The following Saturday, April 30th, Original Hair cast member Walter
Michael
> Harris will be the guest speaker, along with other Harris family members
> dicsussing their part in the scene back then. Wish I could be there for
that
> one too - it should be fabulous!
>
> LaMama is at 74A East 4th Street, in the East Village. For more
information
> call the Box office at (212) 475-7710 or go to their web site at
> http://www.lamama.org
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 14:07:07 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Wed Apr 20 14:11:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050420210707.32863.qmail@web52503.mail.yahoo.com>

Nina thank you amillion times for the posting.I am in heaven thinking about what Saturday
will bring.You can tell the people in Conn that Dale Soules will be alonh too and to make
life easier-I don't use the whole Michael David any more I am only chael Arian.That was
how I came into the union and I thought I was being soooo cool.Seeing you later.XOX M
--- Little Birdie <lbirdie@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> For those of you in or near NYC, Cafe LaMama (often called the spiritual 


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From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Wed Apr 20 15:57:16 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Wed Apr 20 16:01:25 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Bridgeport Hair again
References: <BAY104-F113E2404FD444280D2DA30B22B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002b01c545fc$4ca6c480$4065fea9@Charles>

Heeeeeeeey Nina,

Yup I do have a lot of pictures and I need to send them to you. I am going 
to try to send them to you some how weather it be by e-mail or disk I have 
not made up my mind yet. They are all here on memiory stick. I have to get 
some off to Jim R also, he is waiting like eveyone else.
I got me a Dog, first dog I have ever owned by my self. He is taking a lot 
of my time these days tring to figure out what I have to do WOW. His name is 
Falcor the love dog.
 I will get you pictures so they can be posted, I know I should have done it 
before now. With everything that is going on I am almost lost now an don't 
know where to start on all thes projects, I am a one man army with confused 
direction but it will all work out in the end it always does. Don't know how 
but it does.
I want to do more HAiR thing than ever before, It seem like HAiR and The 
Rowan Brothers (music group) have taken over my life and I like that, this 
is all I ever wanted  to do all my life is help others in the biz not this 9 
to 5 or how ever long they want to work you stuff. I'm thin in about taken a 
job as a wrecker driver to get some income I can't make my light jackets 
without something coming in.
And it is at that point now if you know what I mean.
Enough for now.

Let me look into the pictures and I will get them to you.

Peace, Love, Happness, Joy, Freedom, Grace, & Blessings, & all the other to
Charles








----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:28 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Bridgeport Hair again


> Did anyone who took photos at our April 9th Bridgeport Hair get together 
> get them developed, or off their camera yet? I would love copies of all 
> for the Archives, but would settle for a couple posted here in the 
> meantime. :-) Charles? Debbie?
>
> A group of us went again, spur of the moment, last weekend, and had a 
> great time, despite an older and much less demonstrative audience.  Sadly. 
> we found out that the actor whose performance as Woof we had so enjoyed, 
> Dennis Moench, will be leaving after the May 8th performance, and so will 
> not be in the show when the larger group of us goes on May 21. They are 
> casting from outside the company for his replacement, with Julie and 
> Wesley working the new members (a Tribe member also has to leave for 
> another commitment) into the show. As they did the entire show in two 
> weeks originally this should be a piece of cake! (I cannot imagine doing 
> Hair in two weeks....)
>
> The producers asked that we tell them which alumni are coming on the 21st, 
> so make sure that you let me know if you are going. I'll send them the 
> list closer to the day itself, so there is still plenty of time to get 
> tickets and join us.
>
> Nina
>
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> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 20 17:04:07 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 20 17:08:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23
References: <20050420210707.32863.qmail@web52503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00e701c54605$a37ee3b0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

where is dale soules and can she still sing?
that is a piece of talent based purely on talent
that i would be most interested in
?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Arian" <michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23


> Nina thank you amillion times for the posting.I am in heaven thinking
about what Saturday
> will bring.You can tell the people in Conn that Dale Soules will be alonh
too and to make
> life easier-I don't use the whole Michael David any more I am only chael
Arian.That was
> how I came into the union and I thought I was being soooo cool.Seeing you
later.XOX M
> --- Little Birdie <lbirdie@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For those of you in or near NYC, Cafe LaMama (often called the spiritual
>
>
> Michael David Arian
> michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com
> "If you can't say something nice about someone, sit by me."
>
>
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 20 17:07:58 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 20 17:12:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23
References: <BAY104-F24CDD6255A8BBEE28FE421B22B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <016201c54606$2d3f7a10$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i am going to try and get down for the talk
not only to see michael but so nina and the rest can see
i dont really have horns
lol

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:04 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23


> Hi all,
>
> For those of you in or near NYC, Cafe LaMama (often called the spiritual
> home of Hair) is having a series of Coffeehouse Chronicles with guest
> speakers talking about their personal accounts of the history and
> development of the Experimental, International & Off-Off Broadway Theatre
> scenes in NYC and at La MaMa ETC from 1961 through 1969.
>
> Saturday April 23, from 3-5 pm Michael Butler will be the guest speaker,
> with special guests Tom O'Horgan and many original and early Hair campany
> members. I'll be there, as will many other Tribe members (including a
group
> from this list), List member and Hair alum Michael David Arian is the AD
of
> the series. It promises to be a great afternoon.
>
> The following Saturday, April 30th, Original Hair cast member Walter
Michael
> Harris will be the guest speaker, along with other Harris family members
> dicsussing their part in the scene back then. Wish I could be there for
that
> one too - it should be fabulous!
>
> LaMama is at 74A East 4th Street, in the East Village. For more
information
> call the Box office at (212) 475-7710 or go to their web site at
> http://www.lamama.org
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From ace at aceross.com  Wed Apr 20 17:10:34 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Wed Apr 20 17:14:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23
In-Reply-To: <016201c54606$2d3f7a10$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20050421001042.3FFB11645D8@gw05-bur.mroute.net>

 :)You are a handsome devil:)

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:08 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23

i am going to try and get down for the talk not only to see michael but so
nina and the rest can see i dont really have horns lol

----- Original Message -----
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:04 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23


> Hi all,
>
> For those of you in or near NYC, Cafe LaMama (often called the spiritual
> home of Hair) is having a series of Coffeehouse Chronicles with guest
> speakers talking about their personal accounts of the history and
> development of the Experimental, International & Off-Off Broadway Theatre
> scenes in NYC and at La MaMa ETC from 1961 through 1969.
>
> Saturday April 23, from 3-5 pm Michael Butler will be the guest speaker,
> with special guests Tom O'Horgan and many original and early Hair campany
> members. I'll be there, as will many other Tribe members (including a
group
> from this list), List member and Hair alum Michael David Arian is the AD
of
> the series. It promises to be a great afternoon.
>
> The following Saturday, April 30th, Original Hair cast member Walter
Michael
> Harris will be the guest speaker, along with other Harris family members
> dicsussing their part in the scene back then. Wish I could be there for
that
> one too - it should be fabulous!
>
> LaMama is at 74A East 4th Street, in the East Village. For more
information
> call the Box office at (212) 475-7710 or go to their web site at
> http://www.lamama.org
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Apr 20 17:12:38 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Apr 20 17:16:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23
References: <20050421001042.3FFB11645D8@gw05-bur.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <017101c54606$d42ffcf0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

yes if you have a william shakespeare fetish
i am definitely the man
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ace" <ace@aceross.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:10 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23


> :)You are a handsome devil:)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
> [mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 5:08 PM
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23
>
> i am going to try and get down for the talk not only to see michael but so
> nina and the rest can see i dont really have horns lol
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 3:04 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For those of you in or near NYC, Cafe LaMama (often called the spiritual
> > home of Hair) is having a series of Coffeehouse Chronicles with guest
> > speakers talking about their personal accounts of the history and
> > development of the Experimental, International & Off-Off Broadway
Theatre
> > scenes in NYC and at La MaMa ETC from 1961 through 1969.
> >
> > Saturday April 23, from 3-5 pm Michael Butler will be the guest speaker,
> > with special guests Tom O'Horgan and many original and early Hair
campany
> > members. I'll be there, as will many other Tribe members (including a
> group
> > from this list), List member and Hair alum Michael David Arian is the AD
> of
> > the series. It promises to be a great afternoon.
> >
> > The following Saturday, April 30th, Original Hair cast member Walter
> Michael
> > Harris will be the guest speaker, along with other Harris family members
> > dicsussing their part in the scene back then. Wish I could be there for
> that
> > one too - it should be fabulous!
> >
> > LaMama is at 74A East 4th Street, in the East Village. For more
> information
> > call the Box office at (212) 475-7710 or go to their web site at
> > http://www.lamama.org
> >
> > Nina
> >
> > The Hair Archives
> > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Apr 21 04:18:11 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Apr 21 04:22:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] hey guys i need help with a casting thing
Message-ID: <00fa01c54663$cda29ca0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

At the request of the company that handles me; I am putting together an american classical opera pop crossover group in the style of europes il divo; recently had a baritone crack up on me ( as happens in this business ); looking for a dynamic young bartione 19 - 29 in the immediate nyc area

have head of universal classics group ready to hear tape as well as sony division and mjj records

?
need someone fast
would be appreciative of suggestions
peace

richard haase in project land
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From jlunger at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 21 09:08:13 2005
From: jlunger at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Lunger)
Date: Thu Apr 21 09:16:25 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Michael B at LaMama 4/23
Message-ID: <BE8D482C.16A7%jlunger@earthlink.net>

Nina this sounds so great!  I can actually make this one and the following
week too!!(and I do have tickets for the 21st!!)
Looks like this next month is shaping up to be quite special...

thanks 

love Jeff

From songsters at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 21 12:50:40 2005
From: songsters at earthlink.net (Andrews/Blaxill)
Date: Thu Apr 21 12:54:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] lamama & photos
Message-ID: <f04310100be8db1652227@[165.247.43.250]>

Hi Nina,

Really looking forward to seeing you again & meeting people Saturday 
at La MaMa . I called there & had a nice talk with Michael Arian- 
introduced myself & we shared stories( hi Michael!) Is Bill coming?
  I wanted to tell you I found this old cassette with 7 songs from 
Wash DC show - can't believe it survived all the moves - I 
immediately transferred it to a CD & it sounds great - Bob Mandolph 
singing "I Got Life" & Frankie Karl doing "Colored Spade' AND  "Dead 
Ends" -

I still have pix left in my camera from Bridgeport & will take more 
on Saturday, develop them & get them to you ...

See you Saturday!

LOve, love, love
Debbie Andrews



From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr 21 17:06:12 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr 21 14:10:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tomgram: Andrew Bacevich on the New American Militarism
Message-ID: <BE8D8E04.20A80%michael@michaelbutler.com>


      

Tomgram: Andrew Bacevich on the New American Militarism

This post can be found at http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=2334

We are now in an America where it's a commonplace for our President, wearing
a "jacket with ARMY printed over his heart and 'Commander in Chief' printed
on his right front," to address vast assemblages of American troops on the
virtues of bringing democracy to foreign lands at the point of a missile. As
Jim VandeHei of the Washington Post puts it: "Increasingly, the president
uses speeches to troops to praise American ideals and send a signal to other
nations the administration is targeting for democratic change."

As it happens, the Bush administration has other, no less militarized ways
of signaling "change" that are even blunter. We already have, for instance,
hundreds and hundreds of military bases, large and small, spread around the
world, but never enough, never deeply enough embedded in the former
borderlands of the Soviet Union and the energy heartlands of our planet. The
military budget soars; planning for high-tech weaponry for the near (and
distant) future -- like the Common Aero Vehicle, a suborbital space capsule
capable of delivering "conventional" munitions anywhere on the planet within
2 hours and due to come on line by 2010 -- is the normal order of business
in Pentagonized Washington. War, in fact, is increasingly the American way
of life and, to a certain extent, it's almost as if no one notices.

Well, not quite no one. Andrew J. Bacevich has written a book on militarism,
American-style, of surpassing interest. Just published, The New American
Militarism, How Americans Are Seduced by War would be critical reading no
matter who wrote it. But coming from Bacevich, a West Point graduate,
Vietnam veteran, former contributor to such magazines as the Weekly Standard
and the National Review, and former Bush Fellow at the American Academy in
Berlin, it has special resonance.

Bacevich, a self-professed conservative, has clearly been a man on a
journey. He writes that he still situates himself "culturally on the right.
And I continue to view the remedies proferred by mainstream liberalism with
skepticism. But my disenchantment with what passes for mainstream
conservatism, embodied in the present Bush administration and its groupies,
is just about absolute. Fiscal irresponsibility, a buccaneering foreign
policy, a disregard for the Constitution, the barest lip service as a
response to profound moral controversies: these do not qualify as
authentically conservative values. On this score my views have come to
coincide with the critique long offered by the radical left: it is the
mainstream itself, the professional liberals as well as the professional
conservatives who define the problem."

I've long recommended Chalmers Johnson's book on American militarism and
military-basing policy, The Sorrows of Empire. Bacevich's The New American
Militarism, which focuses on the ways Americans have become enthralled by --
and found themselves in thrall to -- military power and the idea of global
military supremacy, should be placed right beside it in any library. Below,
you'll find the first of two long excerpts (slightly adapated) from the
book, and posted with the kind permission of the author and of his
publisher, Oxford University Press. This one offers Bacevitch's thoughts on
the ways in which, since the Vietnam War, our country has been militarized,
a process to which, as he writes, the events of September 11 only added
momentum. On Friday, I'll post an excerpt on the second-generation
neoconservatives and what they contributed to our new militarism.

Bacevich's book carefully lays out and analyzes the various influences that
have fed into the creation and sustenance of the new American militarism
over the last decades. It would have been easy enough to create a 4-part or
6-part Tomdispatch series from the book. Bacevich is, for instance,
fascinating on evangelical Christianity (and its less than war-like earlier
history) as well as on the ways in which the military, after the Vietnam
debacle, rebuilt itself as a genuine imperial force, separated from the
American people and with an ethos "more akin to that of the French Foreign
Legion" -- a force prepared for war without end. But for that, and much
else, you'll have to turn to the book itself. Tom

    The Normalization of War
    By Andrew J. Bacevich

    At the end of the Cold War, Americans said yes to military power. The
skepticism about arms and armies that pervaded the American experiment from
its founding, vanished. Political leaders, liberals and conservatives alike,
became enamored with military might.

    The ensuing affair had and continues to have a heedless, Gatsby-like
aspect, a passion pursued in utter disregard of any consequences that might
ensue. Few in power have openly considered whether valuing military power
for its own sake or cultivating permanent global military superiority might
be at odds with American principles. Indeed, one striking aspect of
America's drift toward militarism has been the absence of dissent offered by
any political figure of genuine stature.

    For example, when Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, ran for
the presidency in 2004, he framed his differences with George W. Bush's
national security policies in terms of tactics rather than first principles.
Kerry did not question the wisdom of styling the U.S. response to the events
of 9/11 as a generations-long "global war on terror." It was not the
prospect of open-ended war that drew Kerry's ire. It was rather the fact
that the war had been "extraordinarily mismanaged and ineptly prosecuted."
Kerry faulted Bush because, in his view, U.S. troops in Iraq lacked "the
preparation and hardware they needed to fight as effectively as they could."
Bush was expecting too few soldiers to do too much with too little.
Declaring that "keeping our military strong and keeping our troops as safe
as they can be should be our highest priority," Kerry promised if elected to
fix these deficiencies. Americans could count on a President Kerry to expand
the armed forces and to improve their ability to fight.

    Yet on this score Kerry's circumspection was entirely predictable. It
was the candidate's way of signaling that he was sound on defense and had no
intention of departing from the prevailing national security consensus.

    Under the terms of that consensus, mainstream politicians today take as
a given that American military supremacy is an unqualified good, evidence of
a larger American superiority. They see this armed might as the key to
creating an international order that accommodates American values. One
result of that consensus over the past quarter century has been to
militarize U.S. policy and to encourage tendencies suggesting that American
society itself is increasingly enamored with its self-image as the military
power nonpareil

    How Much Is Enough?

    This new American militarism manifests itself in several different ways.
It does so, first of all, in the scope, cost, and configuration of America's
present-day military establishment.

    Through the first two centuries of U.S. history, political leaders in
Washington gauged the size and capabilities of America's armed services
according to the security tasks immediately at hand. A grave and proximate
threat to the nation's well-being might require a large and powerful
military establishment. In the absence of such a threat, policymakers scaled
down that establishment accordingly. With the passing of crisis, the army
raised up for the crisis went immediately out of existence. This had been
the case in 1865, in 1918, and in 1945.

    Since the end of the Cold War, having come to value military power for
its own sake, the United States has abandoned this principle and is
committed as a matter of policy to maintaining military capabilities far in
excess of those of any would-be adversary or combination of adversaries.
This commitment finds both a qualitative and quantitative expression, with
the U.S. military establishment dwarfing that of even America's closest
ally. Thus, whereas the U.S. Navy maintains and operates a total of twelve
large attack aircraft carriers, the once-vaunted [British] Royal Navy has
none -- indeed, in all the battle fleets of the world there is no ship even
remotely comparable to a Nimitz-class carrier, weighing in at some
ninety-seven thousand tons fully loaded, longer than three football fields,
cruising at a speed above thirty knots, and powered by nuclear reactors that
give it an essentially infinite radius of action. Today, the U.S. Marine
Corps possesses more attack aircraft than does the entire Royal Air Force --
and the United States has two other even larger "air forces," one an
integral part of the Navy and the other officially designated as the U.S.
Air Force. Indeed, in terms of numbers of men and women in uniform, the U.S.
Marine Corps is half again as large as the entire British Army--and the
Pentagon has a second, even larger "army" actually called the U.S. Army --
which in turn also operates its own "air force" of some five thousand
aircraft.

    All of these massive and redundant capabilities cost money. Notably, the
present-day Pentagon budget, adjusted for inflation, is 12 percent larger
than the average defense budget of the Cold War era. In 2002, American
defense spending exceeded by a factor of twenty-five the combined defense
budgets of the seven "rogue states" then comprising the roster of U.S.
enemies.16 Indeed, by some calculations, the United States spends more on
defense than all other nations in the world together. This is a circumstance
without historical precedent.

    Furthermore, in all likelihood, the gap in military spending between the
United States and all other nations will expand further still in the years
to come. Projected increases in the defense budget will boost Pentagon
spending in real terms to a level higher than it was during the Reagan era.
According to the Pentagon's announced long-range plans, by 2009 its budget
will exceed the Cold War average by 23 percent -- despite the absence of
anything remotely resembling a so-called peer competitor. However
astonishing this fact might seem, it elicits little comment, either from
political leaders or the press. It is simply taken for granted. The truth is
that there no longer exists any meaningful context within which Americans
might consider the question "How much is enough?"

    On a day-to-day basis, what do these expensive forces exist to do?
Simply put, for the Department of Defense and all of its constituent parts,
defense per se figures as little more than an afterthought. The primary
mission of America's far-flung military establishment is global power
projection, a reality tacitly understood in all quarters of American
society. To suggest that the U.S. military has become the world's police
force may slightly overstate the case, but only slightly.

    That well over a decade after the collapse of the Soviet Union the
United States continues to maintain bases and military forces in several
dozens of countries -- by some counts well over a hundred in all -- rouses
minimal controversy, despite the fact that many of these countries are
perfectly capable of providing for their own security needs. That even apart
from fighting wars and pursuing terrorists, U.S. forces are constantly
prowling around the globe -- training, exercising, planning, and posturing
-- elicits no more notice (and in some cases less) from the average American
than the presence of a cop on a city street corner. Even before the Pentagon
officially assigned itself the mission of "shaping" the international
environment, members of the political elite, liberals and conservatives
alike, had reached a common understanding that scattering U.S. troops around
the globe to restrain, inspire, influence, persuade, or cajole paid
dividends. Whether any correlation exists between this vast panoply of
forward-deployed forces on the one hand and antipathy to the United States
abroad on the other has remained for the most part a taboo subject.

    The Quest for Military Dominion

    The indisputable fact of global U.S. military preeminence also affects
the collective mindset of the officer corps. For the armed services,
dominance constitutes a baseline or a point of departure from which to scale
the heights of ever greater military capabilities. Indeed, the services have
come to view outright supremacy as merely adequate and any hesitation in
efforts to increase the margin of supremacy as evidence of falling behind.

    Thus, according to one typical study of the U.S. Navy's future, "sea
supremacy beginning at our shore lines and extending outward to distant
theaters is a necessary condition for the defense of the U.S." Of course,
the U.S. Navy already possesses unquestioned global preeminence; the real
point of the study is to argue for the urgency of radical enhancements to
that preeminence. The officer-authors of this study express confidence that
given sufficient money the Navy can achieve ever greater supremacy, enabling
the Navy of the future to enjoy "overwhelming precision firepower,"
"pervasive surveillance," and "dominant control of a maneuvering area,
whether sea, undersea, land, air, space or cyberspace." In this study and in
virtually all others, political and strategic questions implicit in the
proposition that supremacy in distant theaters forms a prerequisite of
"defense" are left begging -- indeed, are probably unrecognized. At times,
this quest for military dominion takes on galactic proportions.
Acknowledging that the United States enjoys "superiority in many aspects of
space capability," a senior defense official nonetheless complains that "we
don't have space dominance and we don't have space supremacy." Since outer
space is "the ultimate high ground," which the United States must control,
he urges immediate action to correct this deficiency. When it comes to
military power, mere superiority will not suffice.

    The new American militarism also manifests itself through an increased
propensity to use force, leading, in effect, to the normalization of war.
There was a time in recent memory, most notably while the so-called Vietnam
Syndrome infected the American body politic, when Republican and Democratic
administrations alike viewed with real trepidation the prospect of sending
U.S. troops into action abroad. Since the advent of the new Wilsonianism,
however, self-restraint regarding the use of force has all but disappeared.
During the entire Cold War era, from 1945 through 1988, large-scale U.S.
military actions abroad totaled a scant six. Since the fall of the Berlin
Wall, however, they have become almost annual events. The brief period
extending from 1989's Operation Just Cause (the overthrow of Manuel Noriega)
to 2003's Operation Iraqi Freedom (the overthrow of Saddam Hussein) featured
nine major military interventions. And that count does not include
innumerable lesser actions such as Bill Clinton's signature cruise missile
attacks against obscure targets in obscure places, the almost daily bombing
of Iraq throughout the late 1990s, or the quasi-combat missions that have
seen GIs dispatched to Rwanda, Colombia, East Timor, and the Philippines.
Altogether, the tempo of U.S. military interventionism has become nothing
short of frenetic.

    As this roster of incidents lengthened, Americans grew accustomed to --
perhaps even comfortable with -- reading in their morning newspapers the
latest reports of U.S. soldiers responding to some crisis somewhere on the
other side of the globe. As crisis became a seemingly permanent condition so
too did war. The Bush administration has tacitly acknowledged as much in
describing the global campaign against terror as a conflict likely to last
decades and in promulgating -- and in Iraq implementing -- a doctrine of
preventive war.

    In former times American policymakers treated (or at least pretended to
treat) the use of force as evidence that diplomacy had failed. In our own
time they have concluded (in the words of Vice President Dick Cheney) that
force "makes your diplomacy more effective going forward, dealing with other
problems." Policymakers have increasingly come to see coercion as a sort of
all-purpose tool. Among American war planners, the assumption has now taken
root that whenever and wherever U.S. forces next engage in hostilities, it
will be the result of the United States consciously choosing to launch a
war. As President Bush has remarked, the big lesson of 9/11 was that "this
country must go on the offense and stay on the offense." The American
public's ready acceptance of the prospect of war without foreseeable end and
of a policy that abandons even the pretense of the United States fighting
defensively or viewing war as a last resort shows clearly how far the
process of militarization has advanced.

    The New Aesthetic of War

    Reinforcing this heightened predilection for arms has been the
appearance in recent years of a new aesthetic of war. This is the third
indication of advancing militarism.

    The old twentieth-century aesthetic of armed conflict as barbarism,
brutality, ugliness, and sheer waste grew out of World War I, as depicted by
writers such as Ernest Hemingway, Erich Maria Remarque, and Robert Graves.
World War II, Korea, and Vietnam reaffirmed that aesthetic, in the latter
case with films like Apocalypse Now, Platoon, and Full Metal Jacket.

    The intersection of art and war gave birth to two large truths. The
first was that the modern battlefield was a slaughterhouse, and modern war
an orgy of destruction that devoured guilty and innocent alike. The second,
stemming from the first, was that military service was an inherently
degrading experience and military institutions by their very nature
repressive and inhumane. After 1914, only fascists dared to challenge these
truths. Only fascists celebrated war and depicted armies as forward-looking
-- expressions of national unity and collective purpose that paved the way
for utopia. To be a genuine progressive, liberal in instinct, enlightened in
sensibility, was to reject such notions as preposterous.

    But by the turn of the twenty-first century, a new image of war had
emerged, if not fully displacing the old one at least serving as a
counterweight. To many observers, events of the 1990s suggested that war's
very nature was undergoing a profound change. The era of mass armies, going
back to the time of Napoleon, and of mechanized warfare, an offshoot of
industrialization, was coming to an end. A new era of high-tech warfare,
waged by highly skilled professionals equipped with "smart" weapons, had
commenced. Describing the result inspired the creation of a new lexicon of
military terms: war was becoming surgical, frictionless, postmodern, even
abstract or virtual. It was "coercive diplomacy" -- the object of the
exercise no longer to kill but to persuade. By the end of the twentieth
century, Michael Ignatieff of Harvard University concluded, war had become
"a spectacle." It had transformed itself into a kind of "spectator sport,"
one offering "the added thrill that it is real for someone, but not,
happily, for the spectator." Even for the participants, fighting no longer
implied the prospect of dying for some abstract cause, since the very notion
of "sacrifice in battle had become implausible or ironic."

    Combat in the information age promised to overturn all of "the hoary
dictums about the fog and friction" that had traditionally made warfare such
a chancy proposition. American commanders, affirmed General Tommy Franks,
could expect to enjoy "the kind of Olympian perspective that Homer had given
his gods."

    In short, by the dawn of the twenty-first century the reigning
postulates of technology-as-panacea had knocked away much of the accumulated
blood-rust sullying war's reputation. Thus reimagined -- and amidst
widespread assurances that the United States could be expected to retain a
monopoly on this new way of war -- armed conflict regained an aesthetic
respectability, even palatability, that the literary and artistic
interpreters of twentieth-century military cataclysms were thought to have
demolished once and for all. In the right circumstances, for the right
cause, it now turned out, war could actually offer an attractive
option--cost-effective, humane, even thrilling. Indeed, as the
Anglo-American race to Baghdad conclusively demonstrated in the spring of
2003, in the eyes of many, war has once again become a grand pageant,
performance art, or a perhaps temporary diversion from the ennui and boring
routine of everyday life. As one observer noted with approval, "public
enthusiasm for the whiz-bang technology of the U.S. military" had become
"almost boyish." Reinforcing this enthusiasm was the expectation that the
great majority of Americans could count on being able to enjoy this new type
of war from a safe distance.

    The Moral Superiority of the Soldier

    This new aesthetic has contributed, in turn, to an appreciable boost in
the status of military institutions and soldiers themselves, a fourth
manifestation of the new American militarism.

    Since the end of the Cold War, opinion polls surveying public attitudes
toward national institutions have regularly ranked the armed services first.
While confidence in the executive branch, the Congress, the media, and even
organized religion is diminishing, confidence in the military continues to
climb. Otherwise acutely wary of having their pockets picked, Americans
count on men and women in uniform to do the right thing in the right way for
the right reasons. Americans fearful that the rest of society may be
teetering on the brink of moral collapse console themselves with the thought
that the armed services remain a repository of traditional values and old
fashioned virtue.

    Confidence in the military has found further expression in a tendency to
elevate the soldier to the status of national icon, the apotheosis of all
that is great and good about contemporary America. The men and women of the
armed services, gushed Newsweek in the aftermath of Operation Desert Storm,
"looked like a Norman Rockwell painting come to life. They were young,
confident, and hardworking, and they went about their business with poise
and ?lan." A writer for Rolling Stone reported after a more recent and
extended immersion in military life that "the Army was not the awful thing
that my [anti-military] father had imagined"; it was instead "the sort of
America he always pictured when he explained? his best hopes for the
country."

    According to the old post-Vietnam-era political correctness, the armed
services had been a refuge for louts and mediocrities who probably couldn't
make it in the real world. By the turn of the twenty-first century a
different view had taken hold. Now the United States military was "a place
where everyone tried their hardest. A place where everybody? looked out for
each other. A place where people -- intelligent, talented people -- said
honestly that money wasn't what drove them. A place where people spoke
openly about their feelings." Soldiers, it turned out, were not only more
virtuous than the rest of us, but also more sensitive and even happier.
Contemplating the GIs advancing on Baghdad in March 2003, the classicist and
military historian Victor Davis Hanson saw something more than soldiers in
battle. He ascertained "transcendence at work." According to Hanson, the
armed services had "somehow distilled from the rest of us an elite cohort"
in which virtues cherished by earlier generations of Americans continued to
flourish.

    Soldiers have tended to concur with this evaluation of their own moral
superiority. In a 2003 survey of military personnel, "two-thirds [of those
polled] said they think military members have higher moral standards than
the nation they serve? Once in the military, many said, members are wrapped
in a culture that values honor and morality." Such attitudes leave even some
senior officers more than a little uncomfortable. Noting with regret that
"the armed forces are no longer representative of the people they serve,"
retired admiral Stanley Arthur has expressed concern that "more and more,
enlisted as well as officers are beginning to feel that they are special,
better than the society they serve." Such tendencies, concluded Arthur, are
"not healthy in an armed force serving a democracy."

    In public life today, paying homage to those in uniform has become
obligatory and the one unforgivable sin is to be found guilty of failing to
"support the troops." In the realm of partisan politics, the political Right
has shown considerable skill in exploiting this dynamic, shamelessly
pandering to the military itself and by extension to those members of the
public laboring under the misconception, a residue from Vietnam, that the
armed services are under siege from a rabidly anti-military Left.

    In fact, the Democratic mainstream -- if only to save itself from
extinction -- has long since purged itself of any dovish inclinations.
"What's the point of having this superb military that you're always talking
about," Madeleine Albright demanded of General Colin Powell, "if we can't
use it?" As Albright's Question famously attests, when it comes to
advocating the use of force, Democrats can be positively gung ho. Moreover,
in comparison to their Republican counterparts, they are at least as
deferential to military leaders and probably more reluctant to question
claims of military expertise.

    Even among Left-liberal activists, the reflexive anti-militarism of the
1960s has given way to a more nuanced view. Although hard-pressed to match
self-aggrandizing conservative claims of being one with the troops,
progressives have come to appreciate the potential for using the armed
services to advance their own agenda. Do-gooders want to harness military
power to their efforts to do good. Thus, the most persistent calls for U.S.
intervention abroad to relieve the plight of the abused and persecuted come
from the militant Left. In the present moment, writes Michael Ignatieff,
"empire has become a precondition for democracy." Ignatieff, a prominent
human rights advocate, summons the United States to "use imperial power to
strengthen respect for self-determination [and] to give states back to
abused, oppressed people who deserve to rule them for themselves."

    The President as Warlord

    Occasionally, albeit infrequently, the prospect of an upcoming military
adventure still elicits opposition, even from a public grown accustomed to
war. For example, during the run-up to the U.S. invasion of Iraq in the
spring of 2003, large-scale demonstrations against President Bush's planned
intervention filled the streets of many American cities. The prospect of the
United States launching a preventive war without the sanction of the U.N.
Security Council produced the largest outpouring of public protest that the
country had seen since the Vietnam War. Yet the response of the political
classes to this phenomenon was essentially to ignore it. No politician of
national stature offered himself or herself as the movement's champion. No
would-be statesman nursing even the slightest prospects of winning high
national office was willing to risk being tagged with not supporting those
whom President Bush was ordering into harm's way. When the Congress took up
the matter, Democrats who denounced George W. Bush's policies in every other
respect dutifully authorized him to invade Iraq. For up-and-coming
politicians, opposition to war had become something of a third rail: only
the very brave or the very foolhardy dared to venture anywhere near it.

    More recently still, this has culminated in George W. Bush styling
himself as the nation's first full-fledged warrior-president. The staging of
Bush's victory lap shortly after the conquest of Baghdad in the spring of
2003 -- the dramatic landing on the carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, with the
president decked out in the full regalia of a naval aviator emerging from
the cockpit to bask in the adulation of the crew -- was lifted directly from
the triumphant final scenes of the movie Top Gun, with the boyish George
Bush standing in for the boyish Tom Cruise. For this nationally televised
moment, Bush was not simply mingling with the troops; he had merged his
identity with their own and made himself one of them -- the president as
warlord. In short order, the marketplace ratified this effort; a toy
manufacturer offered for $39.99 a Bush look-alike military action figure
advertised as "Elite Force Aviator: George W. Bush -- U.S. President and
Naval Aviator."

    Thus has the condition that worried C. Wright Mills in 1956 come to pass
in our own day. "For the first time in the nation's history," Mills wrote,
"men in authority are talking about an ?emergency' without a foreseeable
end." While in earlier times Americans had viewed history as "a peaceful
continuum interrupted by war," today planning, preparing, and waging war has
become "the normal state and seemingly permanent condition of the United
States." And "the only accepted ?plan' for peace is the loaded pistol."

    Andrew J. Bacevich is Professor of International Relations and Director
of the Center for International Relations at Boston University. A graduate
of West Point and a Vietnam veteran, he has a doctorate in history from
Princeton and was a Bush Fellow at the American Academy in Berlin. He is the
author of several books, including the just published The New American
Militarism, How Americans Are Seduced by War.

Copyright 2005 Andrew J. Bacevich

The New American Militarism: How Americans Are Seduced By War, copyright ?
2005 by Andrew J. Bacevich. Used by permission of the author and Oxford
University Press, Inc.
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Apr 21 14:46:13 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Apr 21 14:50:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] lamama & photos
References: <f04310100be8db1652227@[165.247.43.250]>
Message-ID: <003901c546bb$8a59d960$6e436c42@hotprojects>

I havent heard the name frankie karl since
has anyone told donnie?
shall i tell donnie?
he would love it but wouldnt know knowing him etc
?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrews/Blaxill" <songsters@earthlink.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:50 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] lamama & photos


> Hi Nina,
> 
> Really looking forward to seeing you again & meeting people Saturday 
> at La MaMa . I called there & had a nice talk with Michael Arian- 
> introduced myself & we shared stories( hi Michael!) Is Bill coming?
>   I wanted to tell you I found this old cassette with 7 songs from 
> Wash DC show - can't believe it survived all the moves - I 
> immediately transferred it to a CD & it sounds great - Bob Mandolph 
> singing "I Got Life" & Frankie Karl doing "Colored Spade' AND  "Dead 
> Ends" -
> 
> I still have pix left in my camera from Bridgeport & will take more 
> on Saturday, develop them & get them to you ...
> 
> See you Saturday!
> 
> LOve, love, love
> Debbie Andrews
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Apr 21 14:48:17 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Apr 21 14:52:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] i want someone to tell me more about dale soules
Message-ID: <008301c546bb$d42154b0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

what is she doing? hows her voice? is she still so good?
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr 21 17:56:24 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr 21 15:00:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] lamama & photos
In-Reply-To: <003901c546bb$8a59d960$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BE8D99C8.20A8E%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Tell Donnie by all means
Michael

> I havent heard the name frankie karl since
> has anyone told donnie?
> shall i tell donnie?
> he would love it but wouldnt know knowing him etc
> ?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrews/Blaxill" <songsters@earthlink.net>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 3:50 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] lamama & photos
> 
> 
>> Hi Nina,
>> 
>> Really looking forward to seeing you again & meeting people Saturday
>> at La MaMa . I called there & had a nice talk with Michael Arian-
>> introduced myself & we shared stories( hi Michael!) Is Bill coming?
>>   I wanted to tell you I found this old cassette with 7 songs from
>> Wash DC show - can't believe it survived all the moves - I
>> immediately transferred it to a CD & it sounds great - Bob Mandolph
>> singing "I Got Life" & Frankie Karl doing "Colored Spade' AND  "Dead
>> Ends" -
>> 
>> I still have pix left in my camera from Bridgeport & will take more
>> on Saturday, develop them & get them to you ...
>> 
>> See you Saturday!
>> 
>> LOve, love, love
>> Debbie Andrews
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> _______________________________________________
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From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 21 15:18:20 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Thu Apr 21 15:22:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] i want someone to tell me more about dale soules
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050421221821.51297.qmail@web52505.mail.yahoo.com>

Richard-Dale will be here(La Mama)Saturday-meet her greet her.Michael
--- richard haase <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> what is she doing? hows her voice? is she still so good?>
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From dekuyper at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 20 15:33:24 2005
From: dekuyper at sbcglobal.net (Gerald Gerald)
Date: Fri Apr 22 05:27:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Beautiful Pics
Message-ID: <200504211426.j3LEQO5M023982@dune.islandtechnologies.net>

Enjoy
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From dekuyper at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr 20 15:38:21 2005
From: dekuyper at sbcglobal.net (Gerald Gerald)
Date: Fri Apr 22 05:27:12 2005
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More to enjoy ...
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From wmichaelharris at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 22 06:04:21 2005
From: wmichaelharris at earthlink.net (Michael Harris)
Date: Fri Apr 22 06:10:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Friends of HAIR at La MaMa
Message-ID: <10085897.1114175062314.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>


Hello all -

This is to wish Michael B. and friends a groovy good time at La MaMa's session with "Michael Butler and friends of HAIR" tomorrow afternoon at La MaMa.  I would love to join you all, but have previously scheduled family obligations in upstate New York this weekend.  But I am with you in spirit of course.

Next weekend (April 30) my theatrical family will be featured on this same program, "The Coffeehouse Chronicles," a La MaMa legacy project aimed at capturing the oral history of the milieu that birthed "HAIR" and so many other artistic initiatives on the 1960s.  Both my parents and all my siblings were active as theater artists on this scene "back in the day" - and I had the good fortune of working with Tom O'Horgan on several La MaMa projects prior to "HAIR."  It kills me that I will have to miss meeting many of you who will be there tomorrow, but I am glad that Michael and all of you will be on hand to celebrate La MaMa and its connection to "HAIR".

I will of course speak with pride about my own "HAIR" experience on April 30th, 3-5pm, when The Harris Family has its "Coffeehouse Chronicles" session. If any of you are in New York City on April 30th I hope you will join us.

CIAO

Walter Michael Harris
B'way tribe 1968-69

www.lamama.org



From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr 22 07:17:54 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Fri Apr 22 07:22:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Friends of HAIR at La MaMa
References: <10085897.1114175062314.JavaMail.root@daisy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <004901c54746$139e2020$4065fea9@Charles>

 A Blessed day to all,

I to would like  to wish Michael B and friends to outstanding La MaMa 
session with all that will be there associated with HAiR. Wish I could be 
there with all of you, but I will be here in Atlanta Ga for now. Looking to 
here all that takes place.

W. Michael Harris I would sure love to be there on April 30th as well. I 
will be with my music group companions The Rowan Brothers on that date here 
in Atlanta. Please let me know what all takes place with your session.

Peace, Love, & Blessings to all
~~Charles~~














----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Harris" <wmichaelharris@earthlink.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Friends of HAIR at La MaMa


>
> Hello all -
>
> This is to wish Michael B. and friends a groovy good time at La MaMa's 
> session with "Michael Butler and friends of HAIR" tomorrow afternoon at La 
> MaMa.  I would love to join you all, but have previously scheduled family 
> obligations in upstate New York this weekend.  But I am with you in spirit 
> of course.
>
> Next weekend (April 30) my theatrical family will be featured on this same 
> program, "The Coffeehouse Chronicles," a La MaMa legacy project aimed at 
> capturing the oral history of the milieu that birthed "HAIR" and so many 
> other artistic initiatives on the 1960s.  Both my parents and all my 
> siblings were active as theater artists on this scene "back in the day" - 
> and I had the good fortune of working with Tom O'Horgan on several La MaMa 
> projects prior to "HAIR."  It kills me that I will have to miss meeting 
> many of you who will be there tomorrow, but I am glad that Michael and all 
> of you will be on hand to celebrate La MaMa and its connection to "HAIR".
>
> I will of course speak with pride about my own "HAIR" experience on April 
> 30th, 3-5pm, when The Harris Family has its "Coffeehouse Chronicles" 
> session. If any of you are in New York City on April 30th I hope you will 
> join us.
>
> CIAO
>
> Walter Michael Harris
> B'way tribe 1968-69
>
> www.lamama.org
>
>
>
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From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Fri Apr 22 07:24:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR at La MaMa's
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Fri Apr 22 09:28:01 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Fri Apr 22 09:32:08 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Friends of HAIR at La MaMa
Message-ID: <245510-22005452216281750@M2W114.mail2web.com>

Wish I had wings!!
But I'll be there in spirit too.
 Have a great wonderful time both weekends and say hello to all from me!
Love
Dagmar


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Harris" <wmichaelharris@earthlink.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 9:04 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Friends of HAIR at La MaMa


>
> Hello all -
>
> This is to wish Michael B. and friends a groovy good time at La MaMa's 
> session with "Michael Butler and friends of HAIR" tomorrow afternoon at
La 
> MaMa.  I would love to join you all, but have previously scheduled family 
> obligations in upstate New York this weekend.  But I am with you in
spirit 
> of course.
>
> Next weekend (April 30) my theatrical family will be featured on this
same 
> program, "The Coffeehouse Chronicles," a La MaMa legacy project aimed at 
> capturing the oral history of the milieu that birthed "HAIR" and so many 
> other artistic initiatives on the 1960s.  Both my parents and all my 
> siblings were active as theater artists on this scene "back in the day" - 
> and I had the good fortune of working with Tom O'Horgan on several La
MaMa 
> projects prior to "HAIR."  It kills me that I will have to miss meeting 
> many of you who will be there tomorrow, but I am glad that Michael and
all 
> of you will be on hand to celebrate La MaMa and its connection to "HAIR".
>
> I will of course speak with pride about my own "HAIR" experience on April 
> 30th, 3-5pm, when The Harris Family has its "Coffeehouse Chronicles" 
> session. If any of you are in New York City on April 30th I hope you will 
> join us.
>
> CIAO
>
> Walter Michael Harris
> B'way tribe 1968-69
>
> www.lamama.org
>






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From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 22 12:43:49 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Fri Apr 22 12:47:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] i want someone to tell me more about dale soules
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050422194349.79463.qmail@web52504.mail.yahoo.com>

You've been a busy boy with your emails.So,just to make sure I've covered all the
bases.Tix are free-we open the house at 3ish-Dale says she will attend and unless I find
another stray email from you and another question I sign off for now sendind my best and
still looking forward etc.XOX M
--- richard haase <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> what is she doing? hows her voice? is she still so good?>
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Apr 22 17:06:59 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Apr 22 14:11:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: the last supper
In-Reply-To: <20050422001537.7A65683CD3@lax-gw03.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <BE8EDFB3.20B1E%michael@michaelbutler.com>

George, You are right.
Truly fascinating, love it.
Michael

------ Forwarded Message
From: "George R. Milman" <geomilman@milman.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:02:57 -0700
To: <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Subject: FW: the last supper

 

Fascinating.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/foto_decadent/308852.html


Love,


Geo.



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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Fri Apr 22 17:15:51 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Fri Apr 22 17:19:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Friends of HAIR at La MaMa
References: <200504221900.j3MJ08tR029645@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <005401c54799$9ca589f0$6401a8c0@Leo>

Best wishes to all HAIR alum & attendees who will be grooving at La MaMa 
over the next few weeks. You do us all proud!!

PEACE,
Leo

> From: Michael Harris <wmichaelharris@earthlink.net>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Friends of HAIR at La MaMa
> Hello all -
>
> This is to wish Michael B. and friends a groovy good time at La MaMa's 
> session with "Michael Butler and friends of HAIR" tomorrow afternoon at La 
> MaMa.  I would love to join you all, but have previously scheduled family 
> obligations in upstate New York this weekend.  But I am with you in spirit 
> of course.
>
> Next weekend (April 30) my theatrical family will be featured on this same 
> program, "The Coffeehouse Chronicles," a La MaMa legacy project aimed at 
> capturing the oral history of the milieu that birthed "HAIR" and so many 
> other artistic initiatives on the 1960s.  Both my parents and all my 
> siblings were active as theater artists on this scene "back in the day" - 
> and I had the good fortune of working with Tom O'Horgan on several La MaMa 
> projects prior to "HAIR."  It kills me that I will have to miss meeting 
> many of you who will be there tomorrow, but I am glad that Michael and all 
> of you will be on hand to celebrate La MaMa and its connection to "HAIR".
>
> I will of course speak with pride about my own "HAIR" experience on April 
> 30th, 3-5pm, when The Harris Family has its "Coffeehouse Chronicles" 
> session. If any of you are in New York City on April 30th I hope you will 
> join us.
>
> CIAO
>
> Walter Michael Harris
> B'way tribe 1968-69
>
> www.lamama.org
> 


From bev at beverlybremers.com  Fri Apr 22 23:56:20 2005
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Fri Apr 22 23:59:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Friends of HAIR at La MaMa
Message-ID: <20050423065620.7EF4B109B17@ws6-4.us4.outblaze.com>

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From sherwin at aceross.com  Sat Apr 23 20:38:48 2005
From: sherwin at aceross.com (sherwin)
Date: Sat Apr 23 20:43:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] something to think about
Message-ID: <20050424033853.4CE0922F0BE@lax-gw01.mroute.net>

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go 

To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star

This is my quest
To follow that star
No matter how hopeless
No matter how far

To fight for the right
Without question or pause
To be willing to march into Hell
For a heavenly cause

And I know if I'll only be true 
To this glorious quest
That my heart will lie peaceful and calm
When I'm laid to my rest

And the world will be better for this
That one man, scorned and covered with scars
Still strove with his last ounce of courage
To reach the unreachable star

To realize
The value of a sister
Ask someone
Who doesn't have one.

To realize
The value of ten years:
Ask a newly
Divorced couple.

To realize
The value of four years:
Ask a graduate.

To realize
The value of one year:
Ask a student who
Has failed a final exam.

To realize
The value of nine months:
Ask a mother who gave birth to a still born.

To realize
The value of one month:
Ask a mother
who has given birth to
A premature baby.

To realize
The value of one week:
Ask an editor of a weekly newspaper.

To realize
The value of one hour:
Ask the lovers who are waiting to Meet.

To realize
The value of one minute:
Ask a person
Who has missed the train, bus or plane.

To realize
The value of one-second:
Ask a person
Who has survived an accident...

To realize
The value of one millisecond:
Ask the person who has won a silver medal in the Olympics

Time waits for no one.

Treasure every moment you have.
You will treasure it even more when
you can share it with someone special.

To realize the value of a friend:
Lose one.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Sherwin Ross
Tribe Member
 <http://www.HAiRlicensing.com> 
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sat Apr 23 21:14:00 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sat Apr 23 21:18:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR LIcensing??
Message-ID: <213810-2200540244140239@M2W054.mail2web.com>

Hi Michael, hi Sherwin

 what is HAIR Licensing??

 Dagmar

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From: sherwin sherwin@aceross.com
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 20:38:48 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] something to think about


To dream the impossible dream

<snip>
 
 
Sherwin Ross
Tribe Member
 <http://www.HAiRlicensing.com> 


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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sat Apr 23 21:25:34 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sat Apr 23 21:29:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: the last supper
Message-ID: <195480-22005402442534125@M2W110.mail2web.com>

This ad is clever and fun. Did you read some of the comments from various
kids
on the site where it is posted? Interesting!

 Most of them realize that it has nothing to do with Jesus, religion etc.
 it's not a piece ripped out of the bible.
It is a parody of / or simply based upon -  a PAINTING.
Only the Mona Lisa has been parodied more!

If you read the DaVinci Code, you know that there is an extra hand in the
painting.
 In the photograph it is cleverly put underneath the table, holding a dove.

And another curious fact: there are those who believe that Mary Magdalene
is in the 
Da Vinci original. I agree. 
So this is just a variation of a theme of a supper, this time with girls.
It is neither blasphemous nor ugly. And I'm curious to see the ongoing
debate about it.

Michael, by now you are at La Mama. Hope you're having a fabulous time!!
Please do tell us (those who couldn't be with you "in the flesh" tonight)
all about it
Love
 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:06:59 -0700
To: mb-civic@islandlists.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: the last supper


George, You are right.
Truly fascinating, love it.
Michael

------ Forwarded Message
From: "George R. Milman" <geomilman@milman.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 16:02:57 -0700
To: <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Subject: FW: the last supper

 

Fascinating.

http://www.livejournal.com/community/foto_decadent/308852.html


Love,


Geo.



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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sat Apr 23 21:33:52 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sat Apr 23 21:38:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Back to  The Moon Question
Message-ID: <86260-22005402443352968@M2W110.mail2web.com>

I was wrong!
 It was Lynn Kellogg as Sheila pointing at the Moon, standing with Rado!!

Dagmar

Original Message:
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From: fotoblue@flash.net fotoblue@flash.net
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 01:02:17 -0500
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] The Moon 


Nina, do you have my photo with Shelley Plimpton pointing to the moon/sky?

Dagmar

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From: Charles Preston cpreston1@bellsouth.net
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:24:23 -0500
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] The Moon 


Nina, 

It was Shelly Plimpton that said it.

Charles

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From jpzuehlke at prodigy.net  Sun Apr 24 05:50:12 2005
From: jpzuehlke at prodigy.net (John Zuehlke)
Date: Sun Apr 24 05:55:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene
Message-ID: <000a01c548cc$2b8398a0$290f7543@0019448444>

On Friday, 15 April, 2005 Walter Michael Harris <wmichaelharris@earthlink.net> wrote: "I was 16 in 1968 and did the nude scene much of the time during my eleven months with the show."

Rather unthinkable nowadays, isn't it? Well, as Bob Dylan said "The Times They Are A-Changin'."

Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

John

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Apr 24 05:52:02 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Apr 24 05:56:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] the hair event in new york was splendiloquent
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tom ohorgan spoke particularly brilliantly
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From jpzuehlke at prodigy.net  Sun Apr 24 05:55:03 2005
From: jpzuehlke at prodigy.net (John Zuehlke)
Date: Sun Apr 24 05:59:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR in Africa
Message-ID: <001301c548cc$d8fe4d40$290f7543@0019448444>

Hello David, and a warm welcome to the list.

Best wishes for success for your proposed HAiR production in Tanzania! Sounds wonderful!

In reading your posts, I had a few questions:

1. Is your production going to be performed in English, Swahili, some combination of the two, etc? If you do a Swahili language show, I hope that you can get a license to make an audio recording of it.

2. When you said that "no other African performances have been documented outside of SA", am I correct in assuming that you are referring to South Africa?

3. You wrote: "the cast and crew ... will be mostly Expats living here." Where is your group from originally? What motivated your moving to Tanzania?

You also wrote: "We had a meeting tonight to watch the DVD and listen to some of the Australian Cast Recording." I hope that the movie version does not lead your company astray. Quite a few of us, myself included, find the movie version to be quite inferior to the stage version.

Once again, here's wishing you the best of luck in your endeavor. Hope you keep us posted regarding your progress.



Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

John
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From jpzuehlke at prodigy.net  Sun Apr 24 06:11:01 2005
From: jpzuehlke at prodigy.net (John Zuehlke)
Date: Sun Apr 24 06:15:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- A Radical in the White House By BOB HERBERT
Message-ID: <004001c548cf$129aeb60$290f7543@0019448444>

On Monday, 18 April, 2005 Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com forwarded an OP-ED from the New York Times written by Bob Herbert entitled "A Radical in the White House".

Interesting reading.

Though it was before my time, I recall hearing that FDR was the most CONSERVATIVE politician that was considered to be electable at the time, and that, had the Democrat Party not run him, there was a significant chance that a Socialist would have been elected as President!



Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Apr 24 09:38:47 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Apr 24 06:43:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Morning time........Paris...anywhere with you
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-F541DE5B4C00553FE2FEAFF92E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BE9119A7.20BBD%michael@michaelbutler.com>

This is a very interesting summary of another religion sent by list member
living in Paris. It is very interesting, making me wonder about its
connection to a future according to "The Rapture".
Michael

------ Forwarded Message
From: "marylouise sillman" <marylouise181@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:34:25 +0000
To: michael@michaelbutler.com
Subject: Re: Morning time........Paris...anywhere with you

Now that I have been able to awaken you gently with softness, it is the time
to send you  "The Age of Kali"    I was impressed with what you wrote, many
months ago, about the darkness that surrounds us and your conception of the
Forces of Evil.   You are so very wise....how have you learned about these
forces?

The Indian Vishnu Purana.       Time is divided into 4 great epochs,
according to ancient Hindu cosmology.   Each age is succesively, from Bad to
Worse, represents a period of increased moral and social deterioration.
The first epoch was known as "The Golden Age", the age of perfection.   We
are now in "The Age of Kale", the 4th and final epoch.   Now, out of strife,
darkness, corruption and disintergration normal conventions fall apart and
anything is possible to occur.

To quite from a 7th Century Hindu Script........The Kings  ( rulers
anywhere on earth   ) of the Age of Kali will be addicted to corruption and
will seize the property of their subjects.  We are living in the final
"Age of Darkness" which will see catastropic upheaval.  The Age in which we
now live is an Age of the decline of righteousness.

Property and wealth alone will confer rank....falsehood  will be the only
means of sucess in litagation.  Corruption will be the universal means of
subsistence.  Thus in the "Age of Kali" shall strife and decay constantly
proceed until the human race approaches annihilation.

According to ancient sacred Hindu scrips, the "Age of Kale" is the last age
before the world is destroyed by   "THE FIRE OF ONE THOUSAND SUNS"   after
which the cycle reaches its conclusion....time momentarily stops...the wheel
turns again and the new cycle begins.

Robert Oppenheimer, in 1945, as he witnessed the 1st nuclear explosion
uttered aloud lines that he quoted from the Indian "GITA"   (13th Century
poetry)

GITA    " If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the
sky....that would be like the splendor of the Might One.  I am become Death,
the Shatterer of the world."

Beau,

I read all of the above, many years ago......the knowledge gives me some
sense of peace in view of the the election of Bush,  the War, the
re-election.....Iran.....Aids......Africa......the Pope.....all of the truly
terrible  events that are taking place in our lifetime.   How do I find
peace?  By appreciating the simple beauties of life that are to be found
amid all of the strife.

I will be interested to know more about your "forces of evil"........you
have such knowledge about so  many of life's important  values.
another morningtime kiss to fill your day with happiness!        XXX   Belle
I believe also that the lowering of elegance in the US emerges from the Age
of Kali.........it is more complex than what your friend said about the
culture now found in music, film, clothing,
manners..............kisses........for tonight, also!



 

>From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
>To: marylouise sillman <marylouise181@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Morning time........Paris...anywhere with you
>Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 10:21:34 -0700
> 
>Belle, 
>What a nice feeling XO Max
> 
> > dear Max......I have been thinking.......the back of your neck is a place
that 
> > I could kiss all day long and not ever get bored.............xx   Belle
> 

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Apr 24 09:47:38 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Apr 24 06:52:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY
Message-ID: <BE911BBA.20BC3%michael@michaelbutler.com>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! 
Michael 'Walter' Harris
Who to all of us then and now represents what was/is the spirit of HAIR.
Lots of Love,
Michael

From ace at aceross.com  Sun Apr 24 06:50:17 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sun Apr 24 06:54:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY
In-Reply-To: <BE911BBA.20BC3%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20050424135022.F24B383E29@lax-gw03.mroute.net>

Happy Birthday 

Michael Walter Harris.....


Sherwin Ross

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:48 AM
To: HAIR List; Civic
Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! 
Michael 'Walter' Harris
Who to all of us then and now represents what was/is the spirit of HAIR.
Lots of Love,
Michael

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Apr 24 06:58:15 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Apr 24 07:02:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene
References: <000a01c548cc$2b8398a0$290f7543@0019448444>
Message-ID: <006701c548d5$a984be10$6e436c42@hotprojects>

the nude scene was really a very beautiful artistic scene
done in dim lighting
and was really hyped as contraversial in a sense more than it was
my memory of the scene in the original production 
was that it was very beautiful
like gazing on nudes at the louvre
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Zuehlke 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:50 AM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene


  On Friday, 15 April, 2005 Walter Michael Harris <wmichaelharris@earthlink.net> wrote: "I was 16 in 1968 and did the nude scene much of the time during my eleven months with the show."

  Rather unthinkable nowadays, isn't it? Well, as Bob Dylan said "The Times They Are A-Changin'."

  Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

  John




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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Apr 24 07:18:48 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sun Apr 24 07:23:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY
References: <20050424135022.F24B383E29@lax-gw03.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <001f01c548d8$887b3980$1606ca44@CowBox>

Hey  Michael happy birthday to you brother !!!

Love forever
Robin



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From: "ace" <ace@aceross.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Special DAY


> Happy Birthday 
> 
> Michael Walter Harris.....
> 
> 
> Sherwin Ross
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
> [mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:48 AM
> To: HAIR List; Civic
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY
> 
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! 
> Michael 'Walter' Harris
> Who to all of us then and now represents what was/is the spirit of HAIR.
> Lots of Love,
> Michael
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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Sun Apr 24 07:23:58 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Sun Apr 24 07:28:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY
In-Reply-To: <001f01c548d8$887b3980$1606ca44@CowBox>
References: <20050424135022.F24B383E29@lax-gw03.mroute.net>
	<001f01c548d8$887b3980$1606ca44@CowBox>
Message-ID: <1114352638.426babfeaf21a@208.179.130.20>

Hey, allow me to contribute my happiest birthday wishes to Walter Michael
Harris, one of the nicest guys I've ever had the pleasure of meeting, having
lunch with, listening to acid-influenced Beach Boys songs with, etc. :)

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Apr 24 07:29:32 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Apr 24 07:33:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene
References: <000a01c548cc$2b8398a0$290f7543@0019448444>
	<006701c548d5$a984be10$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <009801c548da$07f1ba80$6e436c42@hotprojects>

ps
there are now a dozen or so witnesses who saw me in person\
and can effectively vouch that i have neither fangs nor horns
or at least i was able to tuck them to the pt of respectability
lol
( cant help making dangerous jokes )
Michael Butler cut a truly imposing figure at the event
very proud to have him as our emperor
real grand Michael
Jimmy sung Claude like it was 1968; full power; at the top of 
his lungs, perfectly balanced gorgeous soaring amazing
and swiggard can sing his ass off
very positive networking going on
just a delightful and significant and elegant event

all my love
( someone has to at least attempt to fill the ragni slot )

richard
who loves you all more than i can say


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: richard haase 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene


  the nude scene was really a very beautiful artistic scene
  done in dim lighting
  and was really hyped as contraversial in a sense more than it was
  my memory of the scene in the original production 
  was that it was very beautiful
  like gazing on nudes at the louvre
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: John Zuehlke 
    To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
    Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:50 AM
    Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene


    On Friday, 15 April, 2005 Walter Michael Harris <wmichaelharris@earthlink.net> wrote: "I was 16 in 1968 and did the nude scene much of the time during my eleven months with the show."

    Rather unthinkable nowadays, isn't it? Well, as Bob Dylan said "The Times They Are A-Changin'."

    Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

    John




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From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Apr 24 08:19:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
Message-ID: <BE913025.20BD8%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Well, it was a super experience.
When Chris Kapp asked me to do this I had to accept. Anything for Ellen
Stewart is a 'command performance'. I did begin to freak out when I realized
that it would be 2 hours of me alone dealing with theatre subjects.
I then suggested to ask Tom, Jim and Galt. When that was Ok'd I put forth
several names of tribe members I knew of in NYC. Further, upon going to see
HAIR in Bridgeport I leaned on Nina and her Archive Gang of Annie, Trevor,
Bill and Rob. Debbie and Michael joined them. Natalie, Robert I and Richard
H decided to come. They began to speak to others. Organic growth was
happening.
Tom and Mark with new dog Ori arrived. Jim showed up. We missed Galt who was
Staten Island bound.
Ellen was not well and could not come downstairs for the interview. Chris
found Sally Kirkland who has great history with Tom, LaMaMa and HAIR to
start us off. She did a great job, many anecdotes and many laughs. A real
warm up act. Jim made some good observations and comments. He was
particularly good in the Q&A. I talked of my social political reasons for
getting into HAIR. The star of the evening was Tom who really taught us much
in his comments about theatre of the period.
Jim and Bill polished off the singing when everyone followed Marjorie and
joined in.
Final cap was when Jim, Tom and I went upstairs to see that lovely lady,
LaMaMa.

From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Sun Apr 24 09:18:16 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Sun Apr 24 09:28:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY
References: <BE911BBA.20BC3%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <007501c548e9$38e097b0$4065fea9@Charles>

Ha Walter Michael Harris,

This is a special day for you HAPPY BIRTHDAY, enjoy this day you deserve it, 
Take it easy, throw a party, go out or just stay in, relax.

Peace, Love, Liberty, Happiness, Freedom, Grace, & Blessings
Charles

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>; "Civic" 
<mb-civic@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:47 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY


> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!
> Michael 'Walter' Harris
> Who to all of us then and now represents what was/is the spirit of HAIR.
> Lots of Love,
> Michael
>
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sun Apr 24 09:47:49 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sun Apr 24 09:52:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
Message-ID: <5600-22005402416474966@M2W036.mail2web.com>

HOW WONDERFUL!
 Was anything recorded or filmed??
Love
 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:14:45 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa


Well, it was a super experience.
When Chris Kapp asked me to do this I had to accept. Anything for Ellen
Stewart is a 'command performance'. I did begin to freak out when I realized
that it would be 2 hours of me alone dealing with theatre subjects.
I then suggested to ask Tom, Jim and Galt. When that was Ok'd I put forth
several names of tribe members I knew of in NYC. Further, upon going to see
HAIR in Bridgeport I leaned on Nina and her Archive Gang of Annie, Trevor,
Bill and Rob. Debbie and Michael joined them. Natalie, Robert I and Richard
H decided to come. They began to speak to others. Organic growth was
happening.
Tom and Mark with new dog Ori arrived. Jim showed up. We missed Galt who was
Staten Island bound.
Ellen was not well and could not come downstairs for the interview. Chris
found Sally Kirkland who has great history with Tom, LaMaMa and HAIR to
start us off. She did a great job, many anecdotes and many laughs. A real
warm up act. Jim made some good observations and comments. He was
particularly good in the Q&A. I talked of my social political reasons for
getting into HAIR. The star of the evening was Tom who really taught us much
in his comments about theatre of the period.
Jim and Bill polished off the singing when everyone followed Marjorie and
joined in.
Final cap was when Jim, Tom and I went upstairs to see that lovely lady,
LaMaMa.

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Apr 24 12:51:02 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Apr 24 09:55:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
In-Reply-To: <5600-22005402416474966@M2W036.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BE9146B6.20BF1%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Yes, it is on video. They have promised a copy for the archives.
XO Michael

> HOW WONDERFUL!
> Was anything recorded or filmed??
> Love
> Dagmar
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:14:45 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
> 
> 
> Well, it was a super experience.
> When Chris Kapp asked me to do this I had to accept. Anything for Ellen
> Stewart is a 'command performance'. I did begin to freak out when I realized
> that it would be 2 hours of me alone dealing with theatre subjects.
> I then suggested to ask Tom, Jim and Galt. When that was Ok'd I put forth
> several names of tribe members I knew of in NYC. Further, upon going to see
> HAIR in Bridgeport I leaned on Nina and her Archive Gang of Annie, Trevor,
> Bill and Rob. Debbie and Michael joined them. Natalie, Robert I and Richard
> H decided to come. They began to speak to others. Organic growth was
> happening.
> Tom and Mark with new dog Ori arrived. Jim showed up. We missed Galt who was
> Staten Island bound.
> Ellen was not well and could not come downstairs for the interview. Chris
> found Sally Kirkland who has great history with Tom, LaMaMa and HAIR to
> start us off. She did a great job, many anecdotes and many laughs. A real
> warm up act. Jim made some good observations and comments. He was
> particularly good in the Q&A. I talked of my social political reasons for
> getting into HAIR. The star of the evening was Tom who really taught us much
> in his comments about theatre of the period.
> Jim and Bill polished off the singing when everyone followed Marjorie and
> joined in.
> Final cap was when Jim, Tom and I went upstairs to see that lovely lady,
> LaMaMa.
> 
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sun Apr 24 09:55:40 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sun Apr 24 09:59:56 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
Message-ID: <114810-220054024165540511@M2W090.mail2web.com>

FANTASTIC
 I'll be talking to Nina...

 Enjoy your day of R&R

 XXOOXX
Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 12:51:02 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] La MaMa


Yes, it is on video. They have promised a copy for the archives.
XO Michael

> HOW WONDERFUL!
> Was anything recorded or filmed??
> Love
> Dagmar
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:14:45 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
> 
> 
> Well, it was a super experience.
> When Chris Kapp asked me to do this I had to accept. Anything for Ellen
> Stewart is a 'command performance'. I did begin to freak out when I
realized
> that it would be 2 hours of me alone dealing with theatre subjects.
> I then suggested to ask Tom, Jim and Galt. When that was Ok'd I put forth
> several names of tribe members I knew of in NYC. Further, upon going to
see
> HAIR in Bridgeport I leaned on Nina and her Archive Gang of Annie, Trevor,
> Bill and Rob. Debbie and Michael joined them. Natalie, Robert I and
Richard
> H decided to come. They began to speak to others. Organic growth was
> happening.
> Tom and Mark with new dog Ori arrived. Jim showed up. We missed Galt who
was
> Staten Island bound.
> Ellen was not well and could not come downstairs for the interview. Chris
> found Sally Kirkland who has great history with Tom, LaMaMa and HAIR to
> start us off. She did a great job, many anecdotes and many laughs. A real
> warm up act. Jim made some good observations and comments. He was
> particularly good in the Q&A. I talked of my social political reasons for
> getting into HAIR. The star of the evening was Tom who really taught us
much
> in his comments about theatre of the period.
> Jim and Bill polished off the singing when everyone followed Marjorie and
> joined in.
> Final cap was when Jim, Tom and I went upstairs to see that lovely lady,
> LaMaMa.
> 
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sun Apr 24 09:51:01 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sun Apr 24 10:00:16 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAPPY BIRTHDAY WALTER M!
Message-ID: <281390-22005402416511343@M2W118.mail2web.com>


What a piece of work is man - a great song forever linked to you in my mind!

 Have a great, happy and fun birthday!!

 Love
Dagmar

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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Apr 24 12:31:00 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Apr 24 12:35:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday WMH
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV649CFEA88290EC339658BAB2F0@phx.gbl>

Happy Birthday W. Michael,  truly the envision of HAiR... :-)

peace,
barbara 

From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 24 14:55:35 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sun Apr 24 14:59:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
In-Reply-To: <BE9146B6.20BF1%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F25E06171F2762E3727164CB22F0@phx.gbl>

Just back from NYC. Yes, it was a wonderful afternoon at LaMama; very 
inspiring. Wonderful stories told, and so lovely to see such good friends, 
some of whom I see regularly but some of whom I had not seen in 30 years. As 
Michael said, the program started with Michael, Tom O'Horgan, and Jim Rado 
on stage with Sally Kirkland. The all spoke for a while. It was great to see 
Hair in the context of LaMama, and how it related to Tom's earlier work. To 
hear about how it came to be, from the people who were there then. Then 
director Chris Kapp brought the Hair alumni that were there up onto the 
stage (Natalie Mosco, Robert I. Rubinsky, Marjorie LiPari, Michael Arian, 
Dale Soules, Debbie Andrews, Robert Camuto, and Bill Swiggard) and they all 
joined Jim, Michael, and Tom in an impromtu sing along on Aquarius and Frank 
Mills. Some of them spoke of their Hair and LaMama memories, and then there 
was a Q&A session during which we learned some facinating things, like the 
fact that the lyrics of Frank Mills were taken directly from a letter to the 
Village Voice at the time. The program ended with more singing, of the Flesh 
Faliures and Let The Sunshine In. It was a great afternoon. In fact, as we 
all stood around outside afterwards (wishing you hadn't left already, MB, 
and that you weren't working Michael A!) we realized that we were nowhere 
near ready to stop reminiscing, and wound up spending the next five hours, 
first at Phebe's and then at our hotel room, catching up, reminiscing, and 
looking through some AMAZING scrapbooks that Debbie had brought with her 
(and which I am guarding with my life, Debbie!). The archivist in me wishes 
I had had a tape recorder to record all the Hair memories that flowed around 
the hotel room (someone has got to get Natalie Mosco to write down all her 
Hair stories!), but will settle for the tape which hopefully will be coming 
to the Archives, of the program itself, which, as Michael said, the did 
record for Sally's TV show.

Also great was that list members Jeff Lunge, Richard Haase, and Iam Alterman 
came! And great, as always. to see Mike Blaxill, Marc Cohen, and other 
extended Hair family.

Chris Kapp and I spoke briefly about the possibilities of a large scale 
reunion, perhaps in the fall, at LaMama - this was a such a special event 
that it would be great to do it on a larger scale.

There was magic in the air at LaMama Saturday. It was so clear that hair 
still holds such an amazing power, and speaks as clearly now as it did 
almost 37 years ago!  It was wonderful to be a part of this event.

Nina

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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 24 15:19:33 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sun Apr 24 15:23:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY
In-Reply-To: <BE911BBA.20BC3%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F315E290E1ABDEBA2D406C4B22F0@phx.gbl>

Happy Birthday dear WMH. We are all richer for your having been born. May 
your new year be filled with everything wonderful.
Love,
Nina

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>From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>, Civic <mb-civic@islandlists.com>
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY
>Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:47:38 -0700
>
>HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!
>Michael 'Walter' Harris
>Who to all of us then and now represents what was/is the spirit of HAIR.
>Lots of Love,
>Michael
>
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From wmichaelharris at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 24 15:44:31 2005
From: wmichaelharris at earthlink.net (Michael Harris)
Date: Sun Apr 24 15:51:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: I was there in SPIRIT .......
Message-ID: <7462855.1114382671782.JavaMail.root@rowlf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>


Dear HAIR friends,

Thanks for all the warm birthday wishes - and the accounts of Michael Butler's Friends of HAIR at La MaMa.  Of course I wish I could have been in two places at once yesterday - but I was there in spirit. My family and I will continue to amplify the La MaMa/HAIR connection in our "Coffeehouse Chronicles" session next weekend (April 30, 3-5pm). I hope any of you that are in town will attend.

La MaMa was so important to so many people.  I would never have been connected with HAIR and all of you had I not first collaborated with Ellen Stewart and Tom O'Horgan on projects at La MaMa.  The circle is unbroken.

Often during my eleven months with the Broadway company I dreamed of a world in which the ideals expressed in HAIR could be accepted by the nations and people of the world.  I truly believe that all of us over the years have planted seeds through HAIR that will one day make this a reality.  Maybe not in our time - but soon.

Gatherings like the one at La MaMa are rare reminders of the vibe heard 'round the world - thanks to Jim & Gerry & Galt, Michael & Tom and the world-wide Tribe that keeps growing and glowing.

PEACE and LOVE,

WMH

**




From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Sun Apr 24 15:58:12 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Sun Apr 24 16:01:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Special DAY
References: <200504241900.j3OJ09ql006611@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c54921$17ffb6b0$6401a8c0@Leo>

Big time Happy Birthday greetings to you WMH. Hope it was a glorious time 
for you & yours!

PEACE,
Leo

> From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Special DAY

> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!
> Michael 'Walter' Harris
> Who to all of us then and now represents what was/is the spirit of HAIR.
> Lots of Love,
> Michael


From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Sun Apr 24 16:00:59 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Sun Apr 24 16:04:08 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: La MaMa
References: <200504241900.j3OJ09ql006611@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c54921$7b150250$6401a8c0@Leo>


Sounds like a highly successful evening Michael with lotsa love and lotsa 
very talented people. Wish I could have been there! Thanks for the report!

PEACE,
Leo

> From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa

> Well, it was a super experience.
> When Chris Kapp asked me to do this I had to accept. Anything for Ellen
> Stewart is a 'command performance'. I did begin to freak out when I 
> realized
> that it would be 2 hours of me alone dealing with theatre subjects.
> I then suggested to ask Tom, Jim and Galt. When that was Ok'd I put forth
> several names of tribe members I knew of in NYC. Further, upon going to 
> see
> HAIR in Bridgeport I leaned on Nina and her Archive Gang of Annie, Trevor,
> Bill and Rob. Debbie and Michael joined them. Natalie, Robert I and 
> Richard
> H decided to come. They began to speak to others. Organic growth was
> happening.
> Tom and Mark with new dog Ori arrived. Jim showed up. We missed Galt who 
> was
> Staten Island bound.
> Ellen was not well and could not come downstairs for the interview. Chris
> found Sally Kirkland who has great history with Tom, LaMaMa and HAIR to
> start us off. She did a great job, many anecdotes and many laughs. A real
> warm up act. Jim made some good observations and comments. He was
> particularly good in the Q&A. I talked of my social political reasons for
> getting into HAIR. The star of the evening was Tom who really taught us 
> much
> in his comments about theatre of the period.
> Jim and Bill polished off the singing when everyone followed Marjorie and
> joined in.
> Final cap was when Jim, Tom and I went upstairs to see that lovely lady,
> LaMaMa.
> 


From swiggard at comcast.net  Sun Apr 24 18:17:04 2005
From: swiggard at comcast.net (William Swiggard)
Date: Sun Apr 24 18:21:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
In-Reply-To: <BE913025.20BD8%michael@michaelbutler.com>
References: <BE913025.20BD8%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <426C4510.2060809@comcast.net>

I have to add a few words to the reviews by Michael, Nina and Richard.  
This event was astounding.

We learned many, many things - but for me, the most important chunk of 
material was about HAIR's birth and birth pains, and its heritage from 
La Mama. Gerry and Jim saw "Futz" there just as they were finishing the 
script, and they were floored. At one point Sally Kirkland rode a 400 
pound pig onstage in the altogether.  But it was Tom's style that made 
them decide that this had to be the director for their show. What they 
loved the most about "Futz" was the way Tom fused acting with dance, 
yoga, acrobatics and circus stunts.  Also the blast of revolution and 
rebellion that rolled over the audience, pouring out of a troupe of 
actors who had been transformed into a family that breathed together - 
by doing weeks of sensitivity exercises, structured and free movement, 
improvisation and setting all those around him on fire with his 
commitment to nothing short of changing the world. Sound familiar? 

Tom in turn gave credit to what he learned from Jerzy Grotowski.  Gerry 
and Jim first approached Tom to direct the First Incarnation of Hair at 
the Public, but Tom was committed to a tour in Europe with his repertory 
troupe.  He returned after the show moved,  from the Public Theater to 
the Cheetah, with Michael as co-producer with Joe Papp. The rest is, as 
ya know, history... This was just one of about twenty such stories that 
were told.  The group sing was truly spontaneous: none of us knew we 
were going to be asked up onstage, much less asked to sing together.  
Somehow, after nearly 40 years, the sense memory of singing those songs 
took over and we managed to remember even the harmonies...Wow. 

The spirit of HAIR is very much alive in all of us, and when more than a 
few of us get together, it takes over with amazing force, like being 
swept up my a wave.

Thank goodness it was all taped.  Hopefully we will find a way to share 
the tapes with the Tribe at large.

I hereby officially second Nina's idea to put together a large scale 
reunion, perhaps for the 40th anniversary of the Broadway opening, at La 
Mama.  It was fabulous seeing Debbie, Mike, Ian, Richard, Jeff Lunger, 
Robert Rubinsky, Dale Soules, Nat Mosco and I'm sure I am leaving a ton 
of names out.  The Tribe at large is way overdue for a big reunion now 
that the Web has put us all back in contact.  Let's do it!

A zillion thanks to Michael for inviting us to this, and for sharing the 
spotlight in such a generous and gracious way.

Peace, Love, Liberty, Happiness -
Bill
PS - did anybody else notice that Tom's cane was also a beautifully 
carved wooden flute?  Details, please...


Michael Butler wrote:

>Well, it was a super experience.
>...
>Final cap was when Jim, Tom and I went upstairs to see that lovely lady,
>LaMaMa.
>  
>
From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Apr 24 18:24:50 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Apr 24 18:29:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
References: <BE913025.20BD8%michael@michaelbutler.com>
	<426C4510.2060809@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c54935$93539570$6e436c42@hotprojects>

astounding is a tame description and you know i hate when you hippies wax
sentimental without merit
lol i love you
but it was like blast you out with phospherescent lightinging indoors
incredible
word
richard haase master of the project universe


and you know what else waS LOVELY????
jimmy rado took time out of the evening to publically
promote STAR CROSSED LOVERS
( my musical about how shakespeare writes romeo and juliette; one of jimmys
favorite shows; eg he saw it 20 x )
big time etc
very gracious
you know?

also dont totally discount butler haase ohoran counterbid
to proposed frankel production

eg sherwin may not be as crazy as i thought

more later
making mischief

richard haase
i love you
in producing land

michael was so awesome at the event
he scared everybody
which is why he is the perfect colleage
lol and not lol
michael you legitimately no shit strike awe
deservedly
we ( i ) love you and revere you based on your merit

richard haase
diving back into the project pit\

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Swiggard" <swiggard@comcast.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] La MaMa


> I have to add a few words to the reviews by Michael, Nina and Richard.
> This event was astounding.
>
> We learned many, many things - but for me, the most important chunk of
> material was about HAIR's birth and birth pains, and its heritage from
> La Mama. Gerry and Jim saw "Futz" there just as they were finishing the
> script, and they were floored. At one point Sally Kirkland rode a 400
> pound pig onstage in the altogether.  But it was Tom's style that made
> them decide that this had to be the director for their show. What they
> loved the most about "Futz" was the way Tom fused acting with dance,
> yoga, acrobatics and circus stunts.  Also the blast of revolution and
> rebellion that rolled over the audience, pouring out of a troupe of
> actors who had been transformed into a family that breathed together -
> by doing weeks of sensitivity exercises, structured and free movement,
> improvisation and setting all those around him on fire with his
> commitment to nothing short of changing the world. Sound familiar?
>
> Tom in turn gave credit to what he learned from Jerzy Grotowski.  Gerry
> and Jim first approached Tom to direct the First Incarnation of Hair at
> the Public, but Tom was committed to a tour in Europe with his repertory
> troupe.  He returned after the show moved,  from the Public Theater to
> the Cheetah, with Michael as co-producer with Joe Papp. The rest is, as
> ya know, history... This was just one of about twenty such stories that
> were told.  The group sing was truly spontaneous: none of us knew we
> were going to be asked up onstage, much less asked to sing together.
> Somehow, after nearly 40 years, the sense memory of singing those songs
> took over and we managed to remember even the harmonies...Wow.
>
> The spirit of HAIR is very much alive in all of us, and when more than a
> few of us get together, it takes over with amazing force, like being
> swept up my a wave.
>
> Thank goodness it was all taped.  Hopefully we will find a way to share
> the tapes with the Tribe at large.
>
> I hereby officially second Nina's idea to put together a large scale
> reunion, perhaps for the 40th anniversary of the Broadway opening, at La
> Mama.  It was fabulous seeing Debbie, Mike, Ian, Richard, Jeff Lunger,
> Robert Rubinsky, Dale Soules, Nat Mosco and I'm sure I am leaving a ton
> of names out.  The Tribe at large is way overdue for a big reunion now
> that the Web has put us all back in contact.  Let's do it!
>
> A zillion thanks to Michael for inviting us to this, and for sharing the
> spotlight in such a generous and gracious way.
>
> Peace, Love, Liberty, Happiness -
> Bill
> PS - did anybody else notice that Tom's cane was also a beautifully
> carved wooden flute?  Details, please...
>
>
> Michael Butler wrote:
>
> >Well, it was a super experience.
> >...
> >Final cap was when Jim, Tom and I went upstairs to see that lovely lady,
> >LaMaMa.
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Apr 24 18:32:54 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Apr 24 18:37:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] bill swiggard you can sing your ass off
Message-ID: <00c001c54936$b3fb0000$6e436c42@hotprojects>


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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Apr 24 19:34:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] but michael awesome as he was was the silver medalist
Message-ID: <00b501c54936$a6561c50$6e436c42@hotprojects>

tom ohorgan held forth like sophecles or something
i mean o horgan was like the gettysburg address
he was michael was my experience working with them both as colleagues
is that they are as awesome as one would fantisize they are
on a pragmatic operational level
on a bad day
on a good one
they are better etherial as longinus said
sublime
i can vouch michael functioned as my production superviser\( eg entire production under the supervision 
of Michael Butler ) on the audelco nominated 02 FREDERICK DOUGLASS
and every suggestion he made was brilliant
the summation of his input, in the end, setting a fine vehicle off perfectly like a diamond in the best harry winston setting
as a degreed dramatuge
i can only note in the most emphatic tems michael butlers transcendent brilliance as a producer
with the unusual proviso that his particular talent ( eg some are corporate giants etc which certainly michael has demonstrated his prowess in both in and out of the theatrical area )
but michaels particular singular brilliance as a producer
is his artistic brilliance as a producer
and that is very unusual
i am honored to be associated with him and tom professionally
and gentlemen i am going to bring home the bacon
stay tuned group for a whole string of new hits
god willing

richard haase
( littlest member of the tribe ) lol
i love you all more than i can say
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From skonig at cox.net  Sun Apr 24 19:44:31 2005
From: skonig at cox.net (skonig@cox.net)
Date: Sun Apr 24 19:49:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
Message-ID: <20050425024433.GWMM16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@smtp.west.cox.net>

I would love to see this and revisit my most important years.  They were so full of life, love and happiness.  Since it was taped, I would love to hear/see it.
Thank you all Sussie Marn  Mercury Hair
> 
> From: William Swiggard <swiggard@comcast.net>
> Date: 2005/04/24 Sun PM 09:17:04 EDT
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] La MaMa
> 
> I have to add a few words to the reviews by Michael, Nina and Richard.  
> This event was astounding.
> 
> We learned many, many things - but for me, the most important chunk of 
> material was about HAIR's birth and birth pains, and its heritage from 
> La Mama. Gerry and Jim saw "Futz" there just as they were finishing the 
> script, and they were floored. At one point Sally Kirkland rode a 400 
> pound pig onstage in the altogether.  But it was Tom's style that made 
> them decide that this had to be the director for their show. What they 
> loved the most about "Futz" was the way Tom fused acting with dance, 
> yoga, acrobatics and circus stunts.  Also the blast of revolution and 
> rebellion that rolled over the audience, pouring out of a troupe of 
> actors who had been transformed into a family that breathed together - 
> by doing weeks of sensitivity exercises, structured and free movement, 
> improvisation and setting all those around him on fire with his 
> commitment to nothing short of changing the world. Sound familiar? 
> 
> Tom in turn gave credit to what he learned from Jerzy Grotowski.  Gerry 
> and Jim first approached Tom to direct the First Incarnation of Hair at 
> the Public, but Tom was committed to a tour in Europe with his repertory 
> troupe.  He returned after the show moved,  from the Public Theater to 
> the Cheetah, with Michael as co-producer with Joe Papp. The rest is, as 
> ya know, history... This was just one of about twenty such stories that 
> were told.  The group sing was truly spontaneous: none of us knew we 
> were going to be asked up onstage, much less asked to sing together.  
> Somehow, after nearly 40 years, the sense memory of singing those songs 
> took over and we managed to remember even the harmonies...Wow. 
> 
> The spirit of HAIR is very much alive in all of us, and when more than a 
> few of us get together, it takes over with amazing force, like being 
> swept up my a wave.
> 
> Thank goodness it was all taped.  Hopefully we will find a way to share 
> the tapes with the Tribe at large.
> 
> I hereby officially second Nina's idea to put together a large scale 
> reunion, perhaps for the 40th anniversary of the Broadway opening, at La 
> Mama.  It was fabulous seeing Debbie, Mike, Ian, Richard, Jeff Lunger, 
> Robert Rubinsky, Dale Soules, Nat Mosco and I'm sure I am leaving a ton 
> of names out.  The Tribe at large is way overdue for a big reunion now 
> that the Web has put us all back in contact.  Let's do it!
> 
> A zillion thanks to Michael for inviting us to this, and for sharing the 
> spotlight in such a generous and gracious way.
> 
> Peace, Love, Liberty, Happiness -
> Bill
> PS - did anybody else notice that Tom's cane was also a beautifully 
> carved wooden flute?  Details, please...
> 
> 
> Michael Butler wrote:
> 
> >Well, it was a super experience.
> >...
> >Final cap was when Jim, Tom and I went upstairs to see that lovely lady,
> >LaMaMa.
> >  
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 

From jlunger at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 24 20:18:38 2005
From: jlunger at earthlink.net (Jeffrey Lunger)
Date: Sun Apr 24 20:27:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] re: la MaMa
Message-ID: <BE91D9CE.16C4%jlunger@earthlink.net>

Everyone has said it all so eloquently -- I just want to say THANK YOU to
Michael and everybody else involved for this very special event.  I was in
HAiR heaven!!  The history is all coming closer into focus now, and I am
digging it.  It was a thrill to see all the original tribe members who were
there.  And Tom was a lovely and graceful presence.  And yes Bill S can sing
his ass off.
My friend Meredith took pictures (will get copies to you Nina), and I called
home during the Flesh Failures just so my boyfriend could hear the joyful
sound.
Much looking foward to Bridgeport next month!

love
Jeff 
From ace at aceross.com  Sun Apr 24 20:40:41 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sun Apr 24 20:45:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] but michael awesome as he was was the silver medalist
In-Reply-To: <00b501c54936$a6561c50$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20050425034043.BF60A24AF18@lax-gw02.mroute.net>

Huh bacon...spell chck

 

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of richard haase
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:33 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] but michael awesome as he was was the silver medalist

 

tom ohorgan held forth like sophecles or something

i mean o horgan was like the gettysburg address

he was michael was my experience working with them both as colleagues

is that they are as awesome as one would fantisize they are

on a pragmatic operational level

on a bad day

on a good one

they are better etherial as longinus said

sublime

i can vouch michael functioned as my production superviser\( eg entire
production under the supervision 

of Michael Butler ) on the audelco nominated 02 FREDERICK DOUGLASS

and every suggestion he made was brilliant

the summation of his input, in the end, setting a fine vehicle off perfectly
like a diamond in the best harry winston setting

as a degreed dramatuge

i can only note in the most emphatic tems michael butlers transcendent
brilliance as a producer

with the unusual proviso that his particular talent ( eg some are corporate
giants etc which certainly michael has demonstrated his prowess in both in
and out of the theatrical area )

but michaels particular singular brilliance as a producer

is his artistic brilliance as a producer

and that is very unusual

i am honored to be associated with him and tom professionally

and gentlemen i am going to bring home the bacon

stay tuned group for a whole string of new hits

god willing

 

richard haase

( littlest member of the tribe ) lol

i love you all more than i can say

 

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From jpzuehlke at prodigy.net  Sun Apr 24 21:57:01 2005
From: jpzuehlke at prodigy.net (John Zuehlke)
Date: Sun Apr 24 22:02:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene
Message-ID: <000e01c54953$3937d240$cb0e7543@0019448444>

Richard,

I completely agree that the nude scene(s) can be done in a very beautiful and artistic way, and I have always been an advocate of utilizing the tool of nudity in more-, and more varied-, ways in theater. The lighting should be appropriate to the context of scene.

I also agree that "THE NUDE SCENE" was over-hyped and represented as more controversial than it was in the early HAiR productions. One should remember, though, that in the post World War II era, HAiR was the first work of musical theater on Broadway to feature nudity - and mixed-sex group nudity even! It was controversial.

Since my introduction to HAiR on stage was the Aquarius production in Los Angeles, I cannot say whether I would have experienced the nude scene as being "like gazing on nudes at the louvre". Unfortunately, my impression was that performed in a somewhat embarrassed, almost furtive, manner.


The point that I was trying to make in my previous posts is that in the United States of America, it currently would be quite foolhardy to allow any minors to participate in the nude in any production no matter how benign, artistic, relevant, or dimly-lit the scene is. Even in film, this is a dangerous area. By saying this, I am not saying that I agree that conditions should be so.



Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!
John


-------------------------

Original Message:

Message: 12
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:58:15 -0400
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <006701c548d5$a984be10$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

the nude scene was really a very beautiful artistic scene
done in dim lighting
and was really hyped as contraversial in a sense more than it was
my memory of the scene in the original production 
was that it was very beautiful
like gazing on nudes at the louvre
----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Zuehlke 
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:50 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene


On Friday, 15 April, 2005 Walter Michael Harris <wmichaelharris@earthlink.net> wrote: "I was 16 in 1968 and did the nude scene much of the time during my eleven months with the show."

Rather unthinkable nowadays, isn't it? Well, as Bob Dylan said "The Times They Are A-Changin'."

Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

John

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From jpzuehlke at prodigy.net  Sun Apr 24 22:30:27 2005
From: jpzuehlke at prodigy.net (John Zuehlke)
Date: Sun Apr 24 22:35:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- Tomgram- Andrew Bacevich on the New American
	Militarism
Message-ID: <001701c54957$e4c008e0$cb0e7543@0019448444>

On Thursday, 21 April, 2005 Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com forwarded an article entitled: "Tomgram: Andrew Bacevich on the New American Militarism". In this article he expressed concern that a 2003 survey of military personnel found that "two-thirds [of those polled] said they think military members have higher moral standards than the nation they serve". He also pointed out that similar sentiments were found in the civilian public.

He wrote: "Such attitudes leave even some senior officers more than a little uncomfortable. Noting with regret that "the armed forces are no longer representative of the people they serve," retired admiral Stanley Arthur has expressed concern that "more and more, enlisted as well as officers are beginning to feel that they are special, better than the society they serve." Such tendencies, concluded Arthur, are "not healthy in an armed force serving a democracy."

That last sentence is, IMHO, a great understatement.

Come the probable economic collapse of our beloved nation, the "Power Elite" (to borrow the term coined by C. Wright Mills) would quickly resort to naked autocratic force to control the inevitable social unrest. Since this "Elite" has been the great beneficiary of the changes made to our economic system over the last several decades - to the great detriment of the poor and middle-income population - the last thing that the "Elite" want is a democracy, especially an "economic" democracy.

To guard against this, the corporate media has pursued a relentless campaign to convince us that we should "privatize" because privately run corporations (which are essentially dictatorships in structure) are far more "efficient" than governments (which, at least in theory, are democratically responsive to the will of the populace). Therefore, the populace must be convinced that they, and the governments that nominally represent them, are both intellectually and morally inferior to the corporate elite and their authoritarian extension, the military (either private or co-opted from government). 

To prevent the military/police forces from identifying with- and worse, joining with- the general populace, it is imperative that they 1) feel morally superior to the "rabble" they are policing, and 2) that they enjoy a somewhat "privileged" lifestyle that they are in fear of losing.

Using this guideline, the ideal military/police force would be drawn from foreign countries that feature both extreme poverty and a culture different enough from ours to make "identification" with the American citizenry difficult. Clearly, a force "drafted" from our own country, especially one that represents a broad cross-section of our people, would be the last choice of the Elite.

(Unfortunately, we cannot look to either major political party to fight this horrible fate as they both have been complicit in creating the very economic conditions that have brought us to this crisis: Nixon destroying the Bretton Woods Agreements to stabilize international finance; Reagan to put us into a perpetual war economy; Clinton to finish off what was left of our manufacturing capability with NAFTA and other, unfairly-drafted trade agreements and begin the wholesale demolition of the "safety nets" for the poor; the Bushes to eliminate the civil rights impediments to dictatorial power.)

Sorry to be so glum. I truly hope that I am dead wrong.





Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

John

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From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Mon Apr 25 04:01:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tribe members
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Apr 25 06:48:00 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Apr 25 06:52:25 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene
References: <000e01c54953$3937d240$cb0e7543@0019448444>
Message-ID: <018901c5499d$65393bf0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

of course
minors should never be allowed in the nude scene
in my production they werent in it
the two minors we have
in nyc it was a beautiful dimly lit tableau
( nyc bdwy 1968 )
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Zuehlke 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 12:57 AM
  Subject: Re: Re: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene


  Richard,

  I completely agree that the nude scene(s) can be done in a very beautiful and artistic way, and I have always been an advocate of utilizing the tool of nudity in more-, and more varied-, ways in theater. The lighting should be appropriate to the context of scene.

  I also agree that "THE NUDE SCENE" was over-hyped and represented as more controversial than it was in the early HAiR productions. One should remember, though, that in the post World War II era, HAiR was the first work of musical theater on Broadway to feature nudity - and mixed-sex group nudity even! It was controversial.

  Since my introduction to HAiR on stage was the Aquarius production in Los Angeles, I cannot say whether I would have experienced the nude scene as being "like gazing on nudes at the louvre". Unfortunately, my impression was that performed in a somewhat embarrassed, almost furtive, manner.


  The point that I was trying to make in my previous posts is that in the United States of America, it currently would be quite foolhardy to allow any minors to participate in the nude in any production no matter how benign, artistic, relevant, or dimly-lit the scene is. Even in film, this is a dangerous area. By saying this, I am not saying that I agree that conditions should be so.



  Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!
  John


  -------------------------

  Original Message:

  Message: 12
  Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:58:15 -0400
  From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene
  To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
  Message-ID: <006701c548d5$a984be10$6e436c42@hotprojects>
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

  the nude scene was really a very beautiful artistic scene
  done in dim lighting
  and was really hyped as contraversial in a sense more than it was
  my memory of the scene in the original production 
  was that it was very beautiful
  like gazing on nudes at the louvre
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Zuehlke 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:50 AM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Re- HAIR Nude scene


  On Friday, 15 April, 2005 Walter Michael Harris <wmichaelharris@earthlink.net> wrote: "I was 16 in 1968 and did the nude scene much of the time during my eleven months with the show."

  Rather unthinkable nowadays, isn't it? Well, as Bob Dylan said "The Times They Are A-Changin'."

  Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy!

  John




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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 25 06:48:55 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Mon Apr 25 06:53:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] bill swiggard you can sing your ass off
In-Reply-To: <00c001c54936$b3fb0000$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F101D00142B4015D6379C3EB2200@phx.gbl>

There is a great audio of Bill singing Where Do I Go from Mercury tour April 
13, 1972 on the archives web site at:

http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/misctuff/WhereDoIGoAudio.html

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Apr 25 11:50:57 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Apr 25 08:55:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Thanks
Message-ID: <BE928A21.20CB7%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Hey friends, cannot thank you all enough for all the kudos about our
"Coffee" on Saturday. I hope I can live up to them. It sure was nice.
I do hope a pow wow can be gotten together but let us not wait until the
40th.
Peace and Love,
Michael

From songsters at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 25 11:13:05 2005
From: songsters at earthlink.net (Andrews/Blaxill)
Date: Mon Apr 25 11:18:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Lamama HAiR
Message-ID: <f04310101be92df4a3b4d@[165.247.45.60]>

Hello,

I wanted to also add to Saturday's thoughts - Nina & Bill really 
eloquent about it -
it's really true about hearing the origins of HAiR for the first time 
- MB told truly funny story about being raised with consciousness ( 
his Grandfather in South Dakota) of what really happened to the 
Indians here & seeing an ad for HAiR at the Public Theatre he said, 
"The Indians have got themselves a show"  and that's why he went to 
see HAiR!!!!  Those beautiful misunderstandings that create life....

Oh, and Jim, our original boy God genius, genius -  singing HAiR " 
Darling...."  too much fun - and Tom O - force of nature, his words 
great but just his presence evoking the entire landscape that is HAiR 
- wow...and Sally with all that pre HAiR Lamama history -

Loved seeing my new HAiR friends again & meeting Natalie, Marjorie 
seeing Robert I again & all extended tribe ...thanks MB for inviting 
us all -

Sympathy & Trust Abounding!
Debbie Andrews

From jameshburns at webtv.net  Mon Apr 25 15:22:31 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Mon Apr 25 15:27:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Political/Media Contacts
Message-ID: <20742-426D6DA7-5971@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>

 
Having come back to reading this list for the first time, in a couple of
years (I used to, peruse, over at the Archives), it's heartened me to
see the level of political concern. 

It can really be helpful to get how you feel, about a whole number of
things, to folks where there's a chance it could make an even bigger
difference. 

Forgive the length, to say the least, but here are, what you might find,
some useful email addresses. 

Some may no longer be active, the list is from last autumn, but most
should be fine. 

Best, Jim Burns 



ABC News, 20/20, 
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/2020/2020friday_email_form.html
ABC News, Barbara Walters, 2020@abc.com 
ABC News, Good Morning America, 
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmerica/GMA_email_form.html
ABC News, John Stossel, 2020@abc.com 
ABC News, Nightline, nightline@abcnews.com ABC News, Primetime Thursday,
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/2020/Primetime_email_form.html
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From bror.00 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 01:29:28 2005
From: bror.00 at gmail.com (David Erickson)
Date: Tue Apr 26 02:07:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR in Africa
In-Reply-To: <001301c548cc$d8fe4d40$290f7543@0019448444>
References: <001301c548cc$d8fe4d40$290f7543@0019448444>
Message-ID: <cfd503cc0504260129562ead1e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,
Thanks for your kind note and all of the encouragement.

Quickly a few answers ...
1.  The show will be in English.  Trying to stage a musical in
community theatre is work enough without trying to translate the show!
 We will probably through in some local jokes which are always good
for a few laughs and helps to pull the audience in a little closer.

2.  Yes, typically when in Africa, SA = South Africa

3.  Arusha is a growing town and I would guess that there are at least
1000 or more Expats living in and around the area.  We have everything
from Safari Operators, Farmers, UN staff, other NGO's, Health Workers,
and the list goes on.  The reasons people have moved here are to
varied to even begin to touch on in this short e-mail!  The New Arusha
Players as a group is just a bunch of people who are into Performing
Arts and theatre and this is the kind of town where, if you want to do
something like this you just go and do it and if others are keen then
they pile on!

4.  While I have personally not seen the show on stage, from our
research it's pretty easy to tell that the DVD is no where close to
the stage performance and I don't think we are locked into that as our
model.  It was just something to see and to help spark ideas. 
Besides, every time I mentioned the DVD people are more than ready to
remind us that the DVD is NOT the stage musical!

OK - hope that answers some of your questions.  We are still slowing
working our way through pre-production and once we get somewhere
interesting we'll post some pics and other fun stuff.

Best!
David


On 4/24/05, John Zuehlke <jpzuehlke@prodigy.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> Hello David, and a warm welcome to the list. 
> 
> Best wishes for success for your proposed HAiR production in Tanzania!
> Sounds wonderful! 
> 
> In reading your posts, I had a few questions: 
> 
> 1. Is your production going to be performed in English, Swahili, some
> combination of the two, etc? If you do a Swahili language show, I hope that
> you can get a license to make an audio recording of it. 
> 
> 2. When you said that "no other African performances have been documented
> outside of SA", am I correct in assuming that you are referring to South
> Africa? 
> 
> 3. You wrote: "the cast and crew ... will be mostly Expats living here."
> Where is your group from originally? What motivated your moving to Tanzania?
> 
> You also wrote: "We had a meeting tonight to watch the DVD and listen to
> some of the Australian Cast Recording." I hope that the movie version does
> not lead your company astray. Quite a few of us, myself included, find the
> movie version to be quite inferior to the stage version. 
> 
> Once again, here's wishing you the best of luck in your endeavor. Hope you
> keep us posted regarding your progress. 
> 
>   
> 
> Blessed be with peace, love, freedom, and joy! 
> 
> John 
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Apr 26 08:39:26 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Apr 26 08:43:49 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] what a wonderful introduction the lamama event was
Message-ID: <000801c54a76$20b81b20$6e436c42@hotprojects>

to show business for the new coluratura im recording/producing
19 first time in manhattan starting new record
what a wondeful introduction to the media for jessica jean
thanks and love

richard haase
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Date: Tue Apr 26 15:44:33 2005
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You have been sent this message from swiggard@comcast.net as a courtesy of
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 Evil's Willing Followers
 
 By Richard Cohen
 
  The extraordinary film "Downfall" is about the last days of Adolf Hitler
in his underground Berlin bunker. The German dictator killed himself 60
years ago this month (April 30, 1945), ending World War II in Europe and, of
course, the mass murder of civilians we now call the Holocaust. "Downfall"
is a powerful, engrossing film, much praised for showing the
often-caricatured Hitler as -- and I am quoting innumerable reviews here --
"a human being." It makes you wonder what, up until now, people thought he
was.
 
 In the movie, as in real life, Hitler is nice, considerate, thoughtful and
incredibly cruel. He is a mass of contradictions, devoid of conscience -- a
mass murderer who, as the Soviet army closes in and his situation gets more
and more hopeless, becomes increasingly irrational. He orders around army
divisions he no longer has and blames the German people for letting him
down. "If the German people fail this test," he says about turning back the
Russians, "I have no sympathy for them."
 
 It was the stated intention of the movie's director, Oliver Hirschbiegel,
to humanize Hitler and the others in the bunker with him, including his
vapid mistress, Eva Braun. "What I hope I've done is complete the picture of
what happened -- to make these characters whole in the mind of my
generation, so we can really see them as human beings -- granted,
horrendous, evil, ignorant and empty -- but still human, because we can't
learn from monsters," he said in one recent   interview.
 
 And so we learn that Hitler really was good to his dog, Blondi, and kind to
his secretaries, and solicitous toward the little Goebbels kids, all of whom
were murdered in their sleep by their mother, Magda, so they would be spared
life without Nazism. Later she and her husband, the propaganda minister,
Joseph Goebbels, concluded their own suicide pact. This is not cinema. This
is history. No, it is both.
 
 Frankly, I have never had a hard time humanizing Hitler. Ambition,
brutality, hatred, courage -- these are attributes we can all understand. We
have a piece of them in ourselves. Lesser sociopaths move around us all the
time. We read about them in the newspapers and see them on television. It is
not as if Hitler is something unique, unknown to history before, never
repeated afterward. He was a man, nothing more -- and someone like him will
come at us time and time again. He is the evil mutant of our imperfectible
species.
 
 The deeper mystery is the German people. There is, as one sharp historian
noted, "a whiff of 'victim culture' about the film" -- the characterization
of the Germans as victims of Hitler or, in some cases, of the rapacious
Russians. This is in line with some recent German writings in which the
inexcusable firebombings of Dresden and Hamburg are emphasized to show that
Germans were victims, too -- and the atrocities of the Red Army are cited to
explain the ferocity of the German resistance. These things happened, and
they no doubt played a role in the remarkable -- and remarkably scary --
German resistance. After all, Germans fought for Hitler to his death and
then, in a historic nanosecond, became remarkably good democrats. It is
easier to explain Hitler than to explain that.
 
 One man's madness, barbarity, charisma, boldness, courage and hatred -- all
qualities of Hitler -- are easy enough to explain and to find. But a whole
people's madness is a different story. That says more about us, and about
what we are capable of, than anything about Hitler. And when the people are
the people of Beethoven, when they provided the Jews among them with comfort
and even riches before murdering them, when you could go by bike from the
Weimar of the sublime Goethe to the Buchenwald of the cruel SS, then you are
talking of the inexplicable. This quality of the Germans during the Third
Reich, this quality of the Chinese during Mao's Great Leap Forward, this
quality of the Cambodians or the Rwandans or -- in 1937-38 -- the Japanese
in  Nanking, resides in us all. This, really, is the great lesson of
"Downfall" and of history itself.
 
 It is good to humanize Hitler because a man, after all, is all he ever was.
But once you strip him of any extraordinary powers, once he is reduced to
mere human being, you have to confront the fact that where he madly led,
people serenely followed. This -- not Hitler -- is what's chilling about
"Downfall." It amends Alexander Pope, who said that the proper study of
mankind is man. Yes. But the proper study of man is mankind.
 
 cohenr@washpost.com
 

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Apr 26 20:45:42 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Apr 26 17:50:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] IMPORTANT - Rove's Revolution: Bash, Break and Borrow
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    Rove's Revolution: Bash, Break and Borrow
    By Stirling Newberry
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective

    Monday 25 April 2005

    It won't be written on in the New York Times, nor will it be read by a
newscaster on Fox News, but the left deserves to pat itself on the back and
say "I told you so" about one of the most important events of recent years.
I remember being in Florida during the election fight of 2000, holding a
sign that said "Federal Constitution RIP." In the weeks that followed, the
television told the story that it had been a "tie election," and pundits
duly noted that Bush would have to "govern from the center," since he had a
thin majority in the House, and the Senate was divided equally. The
conventional wisdom of the day was that we were to have moderate, almost
divided government. The view from the ground level was very different: even
then, Bush was perceived as a radical, surrounded by radical advisors, who
would not govern from the center, as befits someone who has barely squeaked
into power, but from the hard right. The often-expressed fear was that Bush
and his circle intended to change the very nature of America's
constitutional order. [1]

    Now, of course, it is conventional wisdom that we are in a moment of
constitutional turbulence, in which the changes made to our constitutional
order to accommodate the New Deal are under threat, and constitutional
balancing mechanisms, such as the filibuster, are under attack. But, as
importantly, we are speaking in constitutional terms: the debate over Social
Security introduced us to "infinite time horizons" and arguments over where
America would be two generations from now. From worry about what would
happen to the budget this year, and how long it would take to get out of
Iraq, to worrying about the far horizons of the future is a very large step
indeed. Perhaps this language is less stirring than the Preamble to the
Constitution of 1787, but it is, nonetheless, constitutional and not
legislative language.

    We usually think that great moments in nation building happened long
ago. We read about the founding fathers, the renewal of the nation after the
Civil War, or the New Deal, and feel that such moments in time are distant
from our political reality, which is generally thought to be concerned with
whether this judge will incrementally crimp particular rights, or whether
that program should be given another 100 million dollars. But this is not
the case for everyone: more and more there is a belief in America that we
have reached a constitutional moment. For some, it was the impeachment in
the late 1990s, for others, the election of 2000 - but now, with the debate
over Social Security, it should be apparent to everyone. A nation that is
arguing over 75 years in the future is engaged in a constitutional debate,
in which the normal political calculus of what happens this year, next year,
and perhaps five years ahead is all that matters.

    That America has passed through great constitutional changes since the
Constitution of 1787 was drafted is not a new idea. Most famously, Professor
Bruce Ackerman of Yale,[2] in his two volume work We the People, argued that
constitutional change is a process, and that three times in American
history, there has been a moment in which the basic fabric of the
constitutional order was in play. That the Civil War and the New Deal mark
moments where the res publica, the public order, has changed. I have argued
that we are living in one such moment now. But there is someone else who has
believed we are in a time of constitutional change - perhaps you have heard
of him: his name is Karl Rove, the man who is, in effect, George W. Bush's
domestic policy Czar.

    There are three basic pillars of constitutional order: the mandate of
the government, the meaning which binds the people and the government
together, and the mechanism by which the government pursues the mandate
given to it by the people. Of the various mechanisms, money is the most
important, though not in the crude sense merely of who gets money, but how
money works, how it is created. Money determines, to no small extent, the
incentives and range of actions that an individual has available to him.

    The New Deal instituted a new kind of money, money based on assets that
banks could show on their books, and backed by the Federal Reserve and
deposit insurance. One of the key programs that the New Deal used to make
this new kind of money work was Social Security. This money replaced the
gold-backed money of the previous constitutional order, and changed,
fundamentally, the way America worked as a nation. The mandate of the
government was to balance the economy; the meaning was based on consensus
for action; if there was a problem, or even a potential problem, then the
public sense was that it had to be met head on.

    Karl Rove has, more than any other single political operative, been
responsible for designing a means of attacking that political order, and he
has, in no small measure, accomplished this. Gone is the great spirit of
bi-partisanship that dominated government from the chaotic early days of
1933 when "we weren't Democrats or Republicans, just Americans trying to
save the banking system," in the words of one treasury official.

    This cycle of American constitutional change, in which financial crisis
leads, first, to a reactionary attempt to force the old system to work, has
been seen three times before. Before the Constitution of 1787 was the
financial crisis of the 1780s and the Articles of Confederation. Before the
Civil War was a massive financial panic, and the infamous Dredd Scott
decision, which overturned the Compromise of 1850, and opened the Great
Plains to slavery. And before FDR were Hoover's futile attempts to save the
gold standard and a government which was less involved in the economy than
in religion.

    This reactionary order has always failed in the past, because it must
consume every cent of the economy. That is its nature: it is an attempt to
preserve rent, which is any economic advantage that comes from position in
time or space, even if it must sink the entire national surplus in the
attempt. This is why the Republicans must borrow to effectively abolish
Social Security; Rove knows that in order to secure Republican domination
for a generation or more, he must place a weight on the back of government
so heavy that no one can remove it. Should a Democrat manage to take the
White House, then all that need happen is that a Republican Congress stop
doing the behind-the-scenes juggling that keeps the economy going, a
recession will ensue, and the Oval office will return to Republican control.

    In the past, similar attempts have resulted in the bottom falling out of
the economy, and a new political mandate, often one born of fire and crisis.
The Civil War was such a crisis; the Great Depression was such a crisis.

    Rove's strategy is to create a three-tier attack on the old order, and
on anyone who would prevent his new order. That three-tier attack unifies
the reactionary elements in society, by providing each one with a specific
role to fulfill. His plan can be stated in three words: Bash, Break and
Borrow.

    The first part is the most visible: bashing is simply the demonization
of any political opponent. Whether the Swift Boat Veterans, or the recent
USANext advertisement that accused the AARP, of all groups, of being pro-gay
marriage and anti-soldier. Identify the political enemy with objects of
political fear and loathing. The problem of bashing has haunted the
intellectual left - in What's the Matter with Kansas, Frank Thomas ponders
why, in his view, so many people in the heartland vote against their
economic interests in favor of such shallow bashing.

    However, bashing by itself is of only short-term effect. Newt Gingrich's
bomb throwers were expert bashers, and while they could terrorize and
paralyze government, they could not reorganize it. In order to make
substantial changes, the Republican party needed to break the New Deal and
all of the mechanisms which made it work. From bipartisanship to government
regulation to use of deliberative expert policy, a relentless attack on the
way the old political order came to decisions was the order of the day. One
of the best books to see this process at work is Paul Krugman's Peddling
Prosperity, a thorough debunking of "supply side economics" of the Reagan
Administration, but more importantly, of the whole way in which carefully
vetted ideas contended among experts for the change to be the basis of
policy. Instead, academia was merely lipstick to put on the pig that was
already being greased down the shaft.

    But even this turned out not to be enough. Even with a massive series of
revenue reductions and the terrorist attack of 9/11, it was not enough to
fundamentally hobble opposition. Eventually, the terror of the attacks wore
down, and the attempt to grab a cheap supply of oil by invading Iraq turned
into a slow and bloody fiasco, whose only benefit politically was that the
Congress was sure to vote 80 billion dollars that could be used as pork to
bolster the Republican party any place where people were dependent on the
military budget as their basic industry.

    In short, Rove knew he had to borrow. Not merely borrow the 4% of GDP
that the revenue reductions of 2001, 2003 and 2004 required, but the
staggering sums that closing Social Security would require. It is a
political move that is the Dredd Scott of our time. Before the Civil War,
wealthy southerners stored wealth in slaves. Slaves would grow with the
whole economy, because they had children: so long as slave agriculture could
keep expanding. But in 1850 a line was drawn saying that there would be no
slavery north of that line. Texas and Kansas were the last states that could
be admitted below this line where slave agriculture could work. When a
financial panic hit, this was no longer enough. The slave owning classes
needed to consume the rest of the continent to expand into. They had to have
it all. It was this that broke the nation into two, and would lead to a
radical transformation of government.

    Everything the Republicans do is part of this three-tier attack:
everything advances bashing, breaking or borrowing. Each requires a
different, but linked, response. The idea of constitutional crisis is not
far from the public's mind, even though those words are never spoken in the
broadcast media. The very notion of talking about 75 year consequences and
"infinite time horizons" is the modern equivalent of "our posterity" and
"indissoluble union." When people talk about forever, they are talking about
the constitutional arrangements which bind them together.

    That we are talking about constitutional change can be seen by the
nature of the Social Security Debate: the very move to talk about public
policy in 75 year time frames means that, whether Americans know it or not,
they are talking about the new republic. 75 years is roughly the length of
an American governmental order - and this is why Social Security is the
object of debate.

    It is the debt that the Liberal Democracy used to keep everyone -
liberal and conservative - in line. It bars any policy that will break the
system. Some, like Ross Perot, warned of unfunded mandates in the trillions
- without realizing what it meant. These mandates were not troublesome to
meet - so long as everyone stayed restrained within a band of policy. But
they were the sword of Damocles for anyone seeking more radical change -
either to the left or the right.

    This is why Karl Rove, newly ensconced as the domestic policy advisor to
George Bush in his second term, has targeted Social Security and the
judiciary as the two great agenda items for Republicans. As with the
invasion of Iraq and reducing tax revenues, the great agenda items of the
first term, he is willing to suffer a series of rebuffs, in order to
eventually seize the appropriate moment and push through the changes that he
desires to make.

    Rove's agenda then is to take his vision of a different constitutional
order, and marry it to political tactics that work within that order. He is
attempting to make a coherent set of changes that will force governments
that come after this one to adhere to the broad outlines of the kind of
state that is now being established. These outlines include a nation that
props up the stock market as the place where people keep most of their
savings, much as uninsured banks were the place people kept their savings
before the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation was established in 1933 as
part of the "First Hundred Days." And a nation that has a very different
relationship to God than before. The God of the old order was a symbolic
one, to which the nation gave thanks, but, as Roosevelt outlined in the Four
Freedoms speech in 1941, according to the freedom of their own conscience.
The God of Rove's Republic is a very different sort, a figure that is the
source of punitive law, and that overrides any other agreements or laws. [3]

    The political tactics rest squarely on the permission that this
different conception of God rests upon; rather than the government being
charged with insuring plenty, it is charged with ensuring conformity. The
upholders of the faith are also the political enforcers of the Republican
Party. To win the Republican Party's nomination for President, as Senator
Bill Frist is trying to do now, requires securing its good graces. And it is
Rove's intent to create a permanent political coalition where only a
Republican can win the White House.

    Rove entered the White House believing that this was a constitutional
moment, and many of the people who have opposed Bush from the beginning
believed it as well. And now, perhaps belatedly, it has become generally
understood that this moment is one in which the basic nature of our
government is in play, where the very stuff of the constitution is open to
being shaped by the decisions that are made, or left unmade.

    Footnotes

    [1] The first chapter of The Fourth Republic can be found at:
http://www.bopnews.com/archives/Fourth_Republic.pdf.

    [2] His website is here:
http://www.law.yale.edu/outside/html/faculty/baa27/profile.htm and both
books are landmarks in the understanding of American history.

    [3] For a look into how viscerally connected the filibuster fight is
with the religious right's agenda, you should listen to the audio stream on
this site: http://www.au.org/site/PageServer?pagename=press_audio.

 

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From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Tue Apr 26 17:52:57 2005
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 Evil's Willing Followers
 
 By Richard Cohen
 
  The extraordinary film "Downfall" is about the last days of Adolf Hitler
in his underground Berlin bunker. The German dictator killed himself 60
years ago this month (April 30, 1945), ending World War II in Europe and, of
course, the mass murder of civilians we now call the Holocaust. "Downfall"
is a powerful, engrossing film, much praised for showing the
often-caricatured Hitler as -- and I am quoting innumerable reviews here --
"a human being." It makes you wonder what, up until now, people thought he
was.
 
 In the movie, as in real life, Hitler is nice, considerate, thoughtful and
incredibly cruel. He is a mass of contradictions, devoid of conscience -- a
mass murderer who, as the Soviet army closes in and his situation gets more
and more hopeless, becomes increasingly irrational. He orders around army
divisions he no longer has and blames the German people for letting him
down. "If the German people fail this test," he says about turning back the
Russians, "I have no sympathy for them."
 
 It was the stated intention of the movie's director, Oliver Hirschbiegel,
to humanize Hitler and the others in the bunker with him, including his
vapid mistress, Eva Braun. "What I hope I've done is complete the picture of
what happened -- to make these characters whole in the mind of my
generation, so we can really see them as human beings -- granted,
horrendous, evil, ignorant and empty -- but still human, because we can't
learn from monsters," he said in one recent   interview.
 
 And so we learn that Hitler really was good to his dog, Blondi, and kind to
his secretaries, and solicitous toward the little Goebbels kids, all of whom
were murdered in their sleep by their mother, Magda, so they would be spared
life without Nazism. Later she and her husband, the propaganda minister,
Joseph Goebbels, concluded their own suicide pact. This is not cinema. This
is history. No, it is both.
 
 Frankly, I have never had a hard time humanizing Hitler. Ambition,
brutality, hatred, courage -- these are attributes we can all understand. We
have a piece of them in ourselves. Lesser sociopaths move around us all the
time. We read about them in the newspapers and see them on television. It is
not as if Hitler is something unique, unknown to history before, never
repeated afterward. He was a man, nothing more -- and someone like him will
come at us time and time again. He is the evil mutant of our imperfectible
species.
 
 The deeper mystery is the German people. There is, as one sharp historian
noted, "a whiff of 'victim culture' about the film" -- the characterization
of the Germans as victims of Hitler or, in some cases, of the rapacious
Russians. This is in line with some recent German writings in which the
inexcusable firebombings of Dresden and Hamburg are emphasized to show that
Germans were victims, too -- and the atrocities of the Red Army are cited to
explain the ferocity of the German resistance. These things happened, and
they no doubt played a role in the remarkable -- and remarkably scary --
German resistance. After all, Germans fought for Hitler to his death and
then, in a historic nanosecond, became remarkably good democrats. It is
easier to explain Hitler than to explain that.
 
 One man's madness, barbarity, charisma, boldness, courage and hatred -- all
qualities of Hitler -- are easy enough to explain and to find. But a whole
people's madness is a different story. That says more about us, and about
what we are capable of, than anything about Hitler. And when the people are
the people of Beethoven, when they provided the Jews among them with comfort
and even riches before murdering them, when you could go by bike from the
Weimar of the sublime Goethe to the Buchenwald of the cruel SS, then you are
talking of the inexplicable. This quality of the Germans during the Third
Reich, this quality of the Chinese during Mao's Great Leap Forward, this
quality of the Cambodians or the Rwandans or -- in 1937-38 -- the Japanese
in  Nanking, resides in us all. This, really, is the great lesson of
"Downfall" and of history itself.
 
 It is good to humanize Hitler because a man, after all, is all he ever was.
But once you strip him of any extraordinary powers, once he is reduced to
mere human being, you have to confront the fact that where he madly led,
people serenely followed. This -- not Hitler -- is what's chilling about
"Downfall." It amends Alexander Pope, who said that the proper study of
mankind is man. Yes. But the proper study of man is mankind.
 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr 28 10:22:09 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr 28 07:27:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The Americas need a bold new policy on drugs
Message-ID: <BE9669D1.20EBB%michael@michaelbutler.com>


 
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The Americas need a bold new policy on drugs
>By Juan Tokatlian
>Published: April 27 2005 20:38 | Last updated: April 27 2005 20:38
>>

Narcotics are still a pressing problem in the US, more than four decades
after the current policy to tackle them was first developed. The drug war
has not worked and, although there is a great deal of evidence to suggest
that the blight of drugs is getting worse, most politicians shy away from
discussing the issue. This is a big mistake. The politics of denial ends up
justifying a continuous futile crusade.

Nearly $400bn of US public money has been devoted to different anti-drug
activities during the past 20 years, with limited success. After spending so
much to control the drug phenomenon, what went wrong? In essence, the
national and international drug control strategy promulgated by the US
during the last four administrations has been flawed. If abstinence is the
most important aim of prohibition, the figures regarding new use and
heightened abuse of drugs and the data on drug- related criminality and the
growth of drug-taking among the young reveal a costly failure.

Notwithstanding the unprecedented percentage of federal and state inmates
incarcerated for drugs offences, the truth is that this policy is close to
collapse. And most illegal drugs are now more easily available, purer and
cheaper than in the early 1980s.

The US drugs strategy has two prongs: first to step up the eradication
effort and reduce the price that producers can charge, discouraging peasants
from cultivating illicit crops; second, to strengthen interdiction at the
processing and transit countries to reduce the availability and potency of
drugs in the US and to increase seizures at US borders, thus raising the
domestic price of narcotics and deterring potential consumers.

However, this policy has produced unintended winners and losers. In contrast
to what was expected and desired, and as an indirect effect of the US drugs
strategy, American organised crime at home and transnational criminal
organisations in Latin America and the Caribbean, in particular, have got
richer and more powerful, while US citizens have become less safe and more
threatened. Prohibition has provided the incentive for well-organised
narco-criminal groups to diversify the market for drugs, to channel the
proceeds through financial havens and to extend strategic partnerships with
other illegal businesses.

The drug phenomenon has created enormous social, political, ecological and
military difficulties throughout the Americas. The legacy of a mistaken war
that has focused on the supply of narcotics encompasses human rights abuses,
environmental catastrophes, imbalances in civil-military relations,
institutional corruption, massive civil rights violations, concentration of
power in drug Mafia and law enforcement failures.

The notion of a Pax Americana used to convey the sense of a single hegemony
by a superpower such as the US. But we may now be witnessing the gradual
consolidation of a hemispheric Pax Mafiosa: the growing power, and even
legitimacy in some cases, of a new criminal social class with the ability,
commitment and opportunity to lead.

Some rural portions of Colombia and Mexico, some urban ghettos in Los
Angeles and Rio de Janeiro, some municipalities in Paraguay and some islands
in the Caribbean provide a foretaste of what may happen if the Pax Mafiosa
becomes consolidated nationally and continentally in the years to come.

Such a Pax Mafiosa would have dire consequences: the establishment of
kleptocratic governments, the breakdown of the rule of law, highly violent
environments, extended social polarisation, potential sanctuary for
terrorist activities and, very probably, failing states.

On Monday, the most important inter-American body - the Organisation of
American States - will meet to choose a new secretary-general. An important
undertaking for the new head should be to convene a high level summit to
debate and promote a new, bold policy on drugs for the Americas. This should
include developing policies to strengthen the rule of law and nation states,
acting in concert to avoid spillover effects in the region, concentrating
the public policy on drugs around demand control and harm reduction and
avoiding military responses to social ills.

The continent does not need a rehearsal of a failed war against narcotics;
it needs preventive diplomacy to curtail a regional Pax Mafiosa.

The writer is the director of Political Science and International Relations
at the Universidad de San Andres, Argentina
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr 28 11:06:13 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr 28 08:12:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Words Of Frederick Douglass
In-Reply-To: <4270F764.7040609@venusproject.com>
Message-ID: <BE967425.20ECF%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Sent by an Iranian savant, Bahram Maskanian and well known by Richard Haase.


Subject: Words Of Frederick Douglass


- - Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are
people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain
without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of
its many waters. The struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a
physical one, or it may be both. But it must be a struggle. Power
concedes nothing without a demand; it never has and it never will. - -

FREDERICK DOUGLASS


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From: michael at michaelbutler.com (michael@michaelbutler.com)
Date: Thu Apr 28 10:19:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] (no subject)
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From dayton3 at rcn.com  Thu Apr 28 14:46:54 2005
From: dayton3 at rcn.com (Nina Dayton)
Date: Thu Apr 28 14:53:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
Message-ID: <427159CE.7000108@rcn.com>

Hi folks -

Some emails with infected attachments have been sent to the lists today 
- from email addresses of people who did not send them. Most have been 
stopped by the filters as they came "from" unsubscribed addresses, but a 
recent one made it through as it came from Michael B's subscribed 
address, although he did not send it. When an email comes from a 
subscribed address it automatically goes through without needing approval.

The way these viruses often work is that they copy the address book of 
the infected computer, and then send out the virus using those addresses 
which they insert randomly in the To and From fields. So if you have 
Michael B. and the address <web@lamama.org> in your address book please 
scan your computer as you may be sending the virus to other people 
besides the list. (Mac users are safe)

So for now, beware of emails with attachments and do not open any 
attachments with unusual  file extensions, such as .scr or .pif  
Remember, you can't get a virus without opening the attachment, so no 
need to get nervous.  But let's have 24 hours with no attachments sent 
to the list please, to give Patrick time to check this out. Thanks.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Apr 28 18:43:37 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Apr 28 15:50:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
In-Reply-To: <427159CE.7000108@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <BE96DF59.20F2D%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks
Michael

> Hi folks -
> 
> Some emails with infected attachments have been sent to the lists today
> - from email addresses of people who did not send them. Most have been
> stopped by the filters as they came "from" unsubscribed addresses, but a
> recent one made it through as it came from Michael B's subscribed
> address, although he did not send it. When an email comes from a
> subscribed address it automatically goes through without needing approval.
> 
> The way these viruses often work is that they copy the address book of
> the infected computer, and then send out the virus using those addresses
> which they insert randomly in the To and From fields. So if you have
> Michael B. and the address <web@lamama.org> in your address book please
> scan your computer as you may be sending the virus to other people
> besides the list. (Mac users are safe)
> 
> So for now, beware of emails with attachments and do not open any
> attachments with unusual  file extensions, such as .scr or .pif
> Remember, you can't get a virus without opening the attachment, so no
> need to get nervous.  But let's have 24 hours with no attachments sent
> to the list please, to give Patrick time to check this out. Thanks.
> 
> Nina
> 
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair
> 
> 

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Apr 28 16:59:43 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Apr 28 17:04:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] oh do or dont i just want to share a song with ya all
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Fri Apr 29 01:12:36 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Fri Apr 29 01:17:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re:  The Americas Need A New Bold Policy On Drugs
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Thu, 28 Apr 2005
	12:00:07 -0700
Message-ID: <26883-4271EC74-3505@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>


The older  I get, the more I'm convinced that there's potentally very
little difference between my wanting to have my Jack Daniels on the
rocks, every once in a while, and some one else wanting to do their,
within a sense of reason, drug of choice.

There's really no reason, perhaps, why someone shouldn't be able to go
to their physician, and say, "I'd like to do a little Coke this weekend,
Doc."  With a PRESCRIPTION, there could be some sort of control over the
process.

You'd remove the black market and the billions earned by organized crime
(and the related violent crimes that go with the current infrastructure
of the illicit drug economy).

On top of everything else, you'd have a marvelous new tax revenue
stream!

It would also help, I believe, deal with the problem that NO ONE in
America wants to talk about; the problem tha no one has wanted to talk
about for over thirty years:

Children doing drugs.

Do you have any idea how many fourteen year-olds are going to part of
their high school day, high?

When you remove the hysteria, the arguemnt can be made that there really
isn't much of a problem--once you remove the illegality, with an adult
"doing drugs."

But we have completely failed as a nation to confront why so many MIDDLE
and UPPER class youths like getting stoned...

Legalizing drugs, implementing some type of prescription program, would
make it easier to deal with, what to me, is the greatest sadness.

You'd still have abuse, much as with teenage alcoholism, but if you
removed the glamour of an "underground" transaction, things might be,
much diferent.

Adults, of course, should be allowed to chose what they wish to do, as
long as it harms no one else... 

There's another major problem with revising our country's drug laws.

People are marking money on putting folks in jail.

Forget municipalities.

If the trend towards privatization of prisons continues....

(PRIVATE companies are now in the busines of running prisons, in parts
of the United States)

There will be a price tag on the back of any potental arrest.

And there will be many folks unhappy at any law-change that promsies to
put fewer people behind bars.

It'll be bad for business.


Jim Burns

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Apr 29 04:41:09 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Apr 29 04:45:59 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re:  The Americas Need A New Bold Policy On Drugs
References: <26883-4271EC74-3505@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <006001c54cb0$612b7440$6e436c42@hotprojects>

Is Jim the director who makes the films about the irish brothers?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 4:12 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: The Americas Need A New Bold Policy On Drugs


> 
> The older  I get, the more I'm convinced that there's potentally very
> little difference between my wanting to have my Jack Daniels on the
> rocks, every once in a while, and some one else wanting to do their,
> within a sense of reason, drug of choice.
> 
> There's really no reason, perhaps, why someone shouldn't be able to go
> to their physician, and say, "I'd like to do a little Coke this weekend,
> Doc."  With a PRESCRIPTION, there could be some sort of control over the
> process.
> 
> You'd remove the black market and the billions earned by organized crime
> (and the related violent crimes that go with the current infrastructure
> of the illicit drug economy).
> 
> On top of everything else, you'd have a marvelous new tax revenue
> stream!
> 
> It would also help, I believe, deal with the problem that NO ONE in
> America wants to talk about; the problem tha no one has wanted to talk
> about for over thirty years:
> 
> Children doing drugs.
> 
> Do you have any idea how many fourteen year-olds are going to part of
> their high school day, high?
> 
> When you remove the hysteria, the arguemnt can be made that there really
> isn't much of a problem--once you remove the illegality, with an adult
> "doing drugs."
> 
> But we have completely failed as a nation to confront why so many MIDDLE
> and UPPER class youths like getting stoned...
> 
> Legalizing drugs, implementing some type of prescription program, would
> make it easier to deal with, what to me, is the greatest sadness.
> 
> You'd still have abuse, much as with teenage alcoholism, but if you
> removed the glamour of an "underground" transaction, things might be,
> much diferent.
> 
> Adults, of course, should be allowed to chose what they wish to do, as
> long as it harms no one else... 
> 
> There's another major problem with revising our country's drug laws.
> 
> People are marking money on putting folks in jail.
> 
> Forget municipalities.
> 
> If the trend towards privatization of prisons continues....
> 
> (PRIVATE companies are now in the busines of running prisons, in parts
> of the United States)
> 
> There will be a price tag on the back of any potental arrest.
> 
> And there will be many folks unhappy at any law-change that promsies to
> put fewer people behind bars.
> 
> It'll be bad for business.
> 
> 
> Jim Burns
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Apr 29 08:09:48 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Apr 29 05:14:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
Message-ID: <BE979C4C.20F7B%michael@michaelbutler.com>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
To All in Hair
Peace and Love,
Michael

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Apr 29 05:18:11 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Apr 29 05:27:49 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
References: <BE979C4C.20F7B%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <014401c54cb6$3937e350$6e436c42@hotprojects>

happy 37th birthday HAIR
to the greatest musical that ever was
i remember 25 years ago I was blowing out candles
on a birthday cake we suprised jimmy with
in washington square park
love to everyone
love to you michael

(i wonder if ill be obnoxious and call up jim galt and tom and sing happy
birthday over the phone )
?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day


> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
> To All in Hair
> Peace and Love,
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 29 05:58:40 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:04:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: [Mb-civic] IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
In-Reply-To: <002d01c54c7f$a8b63c40$4c25b7d8@baby1>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F257FA0E9652384B7070D25B2240@phx.gbl>

Hey Cheese (and anyone else interested...)

Michael didn't open the virus - his email address is just like yours in the 
undeliverable emails you are getting back. Michael uses a Mac which is 
blissfully immune to most viruses. Someone who uses a PC, and most likely 
Internet Explorer and Outlook Express, and who has our emails addresses 
(Michael, you, lamama, bunim murray productions...), as well as both the 
Hair and Civic list, in their address book opened the virus. It is hard to 
pinpoint the person who is infected. A good rule of thumb for those of us 
using PCs is to never open attachments from ANYONE if they are not the usual 
file extensions.For instance,  .jpg and .doc. and .exl and others that we 
deal with regularly are fine. Avoid anything with unual file extensions, 
like .scr and .pif or anything else you are not used to seeing regularly. If 
it comes from someone you know, but has an odd extension email the person it 
came from and ask them if they sent it and what it is BEFORE OPENING IT. Two 
important things to remember: You must open the attachment in order to 
become infected by the virus most of the time (although the virus makers 
have come up with a few numbers that can be embedded in html in an email, 
but that is still rare, and not what is going around the list at this 
point). Secondly,just because your name appears as the sender of an infected 
email it does not mean that you have the virus, rather that someone who has 
you in their email address book has (or had) the virus. The single most 
important thing that you can do is invest in a good anti-virus program, such 
as Norton Anti-Virus or other similar programs, for your computer, and use 
it regularly to scan all incoming email and your entire computer regularly. 
And keep your virus definitions updated within the program.

If the list of email address above sounds suspiciously like anyone's address 
book email me privately, at this address, and I can give you the specific 
addresses at those domaines and you can see if you need to scan your 
computer.

Hope that helps.
Nina

P.S. - to those in digest format please excuse my leaving Cheeseburger's 
entire email attached below, but as I am sending this to the Hair list as 
wel,l there are many who haven't seen the original post and need to read it 
to understand what I amtalking about.

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


>From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury@granderiver.net>
>Reply-To: mb-civic@islandlists.com
>To: "mb-civic" <mb-civic@islandlists.com>
>Subject: [Mb-civic] IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
>Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:52:41 -0500
>
>IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
>
>
>I'd like to put my 2 cents in on this one, maybe it will help someone, or
>even help me.
>
>Ok, I was wondering what was going on, as I am now receiving emails to
>myself from my isp server saying "Mail Undeliverable", but it also says it
>was sent originally to whomever by me at maxfury@granderiver.net, which it
>wasn't.  This has been going on for about a week or so I think.
>
>So, let me know, heh, this is serious, if Michael opened up a virus thing
>and it scanned his Address Book, then that's why I'm getting "Undeliverable
>Mail Returned" not sent by me to who knows how many people, but saying it
>was sent from my email address, so whoever was in his Address Book it has
>snapped up our email addresses and is sending viruses to countless people
>with viruses in them saying that we sent them, heh.
>
>Anyway, I was wondering what was going on.  Just for the record, I have not
>received an email from anyone in a long time, I access the MB Civic List
>from The Internet directly, and rarely if ever open anything from there in
>my Internet Browser that says "attachment attached" or whatever.
>
>In fact, I really wish people would NOT send attachments of any kind (I
>don't know if that's possible or not) and rather than an ***Attachment***
>(which a rather stout proportion of posts on the MB Civic Lists contain
>*just* them rather than even just a body in the post) put *at least* a
>website address instead where the information, jpeg or whatever can be
>directly accessed.  But then again I'm just wishing.
>
>Other than that, that's my take on it.  If anyone needs copies of the 
>emails
>of "Undeliverable Mail" that was/was not sent by me but returned to me
>because of "Fatal Errors", I will gladly forward them on if they will be of
>any use.
>
>Let me know if it all gets fixed, what's going on, or if there will be
>emails using my email address to send out viruses to people around the 
>world
>until the end of time or something.
>
>All in all, I have a feeling this is not going to help me sell mesquite
>bowls on the Internet, lol.
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>Cheeseburger


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 29 06:02:45 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:07:25 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
In-Reply-To: <BE979C4C.20F7B%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F3387E1D88A15AEF372282FB2240@phx.gbl>

37 years ago tonight!!  What a special day, one that changed so many 
lives...
Love to all in the World Wide Tribe!
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 29 06:11:07 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:15:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] WMH at LaMama
Message-ID: <BAY104-F38A0AC4DA4D580FD244114B2240@phx.gbl>

And what better way to celebrate Hair's 37th birthday than by going and 
seeing original Broadway cast member Walter Michael Harris, and his amazing 
family (known as the Lunts of off-off-Broadway), in the next installment of 
the Coffeehouse Chronicales at Lamama?! The Harris family will be speaking 
from 3 - 5 tomorrow, Saturday, April 30th, in the Club at LaMama, 74A E. 4th 
Street, More info at www.lamama.org.

I was hoping to be there but life is not cooperating. I'll be there in 
spirit, and some other list members will be there in the flesh. Break a leg 
WMH!

Here's the Harris family bio that LaMama is sending out:

THE HARRIS FAMILY

In the early sixties a family of eight had a dream - leave their home in
Florida and set out to succeed in show business in New York City.  The
advance scout was father George who met Ellen Stewart shortly after his
arrival in 1962.  By December of that year he was acting and directing
for La MaMa and Caffe Cino and the following year felt sure-footed
enough to send for his wife, Ann, and their six kids.Ellen helped them find
their first apartment and gave them a theater home.  All eight Harrises
quickly became regulars on the off-off-Broadway scene.

Dubbed "The Lunts of off-off-Broadway" by playwright Robert Patrick, The
Harris Family distinguished itself as a family of actors, writers,
singers, dancers and producers.

Someone who is there please let us all know how it goes!

Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 29 06:15:55 2005
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:20:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day!!!
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050429131555.43526.qmail@web53407.mail.yahoo.com>

YES!!!!!  HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!
 
Beads, Flowers, FREEDOM and Happiness!
 
Love ~ Jonathon

Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com> wrote:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
To All in Hair
Peace and Love,
Michael

_______________________________________________
Mb-hair mailing list
Mb-hair@islandlists.com
http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Fri Apr 29 06:16:46 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:21:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
References: <BE979C4C.20F7B%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <001001c54cbd$b2386f20$1606ca44@CowBox>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAIR!!!!!

Love forever
Robin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day


> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
> To All in Hair
> Peace and Love,
> Michael
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Apr 29 09:32:11 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:38:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] MORE    IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F257FA0E9652384B7070D25B2240@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BE97AF9B.20F90%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks to List Mama and Cheese.
I use Entourage for email and Firefox as my browser. I do have Explorer and
Safari but rarely use them anymore. I am preparing to go to Apple's email in
place of Microsoft's Entourage next week when I install the new Mac OS
"Tiger" (my former nickname, now my son's).
For the first time I am getting anti virus application.
However I do open attachments from sources I do not know.
Final Note: Get a Mac you will thank me. I started with Dos. I have been
thanking my sister since leaving the 'evil empire' for a Mac.
XO Michael

> Hey Cheese (and anyone else interested...)
> 
> Michael didn't open the virus - his email address is just like yours in the
> undeliverable emails you are getting back. Michael uses a Mac which is
> blissfully immune to most viruses. Someone who uses a PC, and most likely
> Internet Explorer and Outlook Express, and who has our emails addresses
> (Michael, you, lamama, bunim murray productions...), as well as both the
> Hair and Civic list, in their address book opened the virus. It is hard to
> pinpoint the person who is infected. A good rule of thumb for those of us
> using PCs is to never open attachments from ANYONE if they are not the usual
> file extensions.For instance,  .jpg and .doc. and .exl and others that we
> deal with regularly are fine. Avoid anything with unual file extensions,
> like .scr and .pif or anything else you are not used to seeing regularly. If
> it comes from someone you know, but has an odd extension email the person it
> came from and ask them if they sent it and what it is BEFORE OPENING IT. Two
> important things to remember: You must open the attachment in order to
> become infected by the virus most of the time (although the virus makers
> have come up with a few numbers that can be embedded in html in an email,
> but that is still rare, and not what is going around the list at this
> point). Secondly,just because your name appears as the sender of an infected
> email it does not mean that you have the virus, rather that someone who has
> you in their email address book has (or had) the virus. The single most
> important thing that you can do is invest in a good anti-virus program, such
> as Norton Anti-Virus or other similar programs, for your computer, and use
> it regularly to scan all incoming email and your entire computer regularly.
> And keep your virus definitions updated within the program.
> 
> If the list of email address above sounds suspiciously like anyone's address
> book email me privately, at this address, and I can give you the specific
> addresses at those domaines and you can see if you need to scan your
> computer.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> Nina
> 
> P.S. - to those in digest format please excuse my leaving Cheeseburger's
> entire email attached below, but as I am sending this to the Hair list as
> wel,l there are many who haven't seen the original post and need to read it
> to understand what I amtalking about.
> 
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> 
> 
>> From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury@granderiver.net>
>> Reply-To: mb-civic@islandlists.com
>> To: "mb-civic" <mb-civic@islandlists.com>
>> Subject: [Mb-civic] IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
>> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:52:41 -0500
>> 
>> IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
>> 
>> 
>> I'd like to put my 2 cents in on this one, maybe it will help someone, or
>> even help me.
>> 
>> Ok, I was wondering what was going on, as I am now receiving emails to
>> myself from my isp server saying "Mail Undeliverable", but it also says it
>> was sent originally to whomever by me at maxfury@granderiver.net, which it
>> wasn't.  This has been going on for about a week or so I think.
>> 
>> So, let me know, heh, this is serious, if Michael opened up a virus thing
>> and it scanned his Address Book, then that's why I'm getting "Undeliverable
>> Mail Returned" not sent by me to who knows how many people, but saying it
>> was sent from my email address, so whoever was in his Address Book it has
>> snapped up our email addresses and is sending viruses to countless people
>> with viruses in them saying that we sent them, heh.
>> 
>> Anyway, I was wondering what was going on.  Just for the record, I have not
>> received an email from anyone in a long time, I access the MB Civic List
>> from The Internet directly, and rarely if ever open anything from there in
>> my Internet Browser that says "attachment attached" or whatever.
>> 
>> In fact, I really wish people would NOT send attachments of any kind (I
>> don't know if that's possible or not) and rather than an ***Attachment***
>> (which a rather stout proportion of posts on the MB Civic Lists contain
>> *just* them rather than even just a body in the post) put *at least* a
>> website address instead where the information, jpeg or whatever can be
>> directly accessed.  But then again I'm just wishing.
>> 
>> Other than that, that's my take on it.  If anyone needs copies of the
>> emails
>> of "Undeliverable Mail" that was/was not sent by me but returned to me
>> because of "Fatal Errors", I will gladly forward them on if they will be of
>> any use.
>> 
>> Let me know if it all gets fixed, what's going on, or if there will be
>> emails using my email address to send out viruses to people around the
>> world
>> until the end of time or something.
>> 
>> All in all, I have a feeling this is not going to help me sell mesquite
>> bowls on the Internet, lol.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheeseburger
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Apr 29 09:34:30 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:39:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] WMH at LaMama
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F38A0AC4DA4D580FD244114B2240@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BE97B026.20F92%michael@michaelbutler.com>

I will be there in body as well in spirit with the 'help of some of my
friends'
XO Michael

> And what better way to celebrate Hair's 37th birthday than by going and
> seeing original Broadway cast member Walter Michael Harris, and his amazing
> family (known as the Lunts of off-off-Broadway), in the next installment of
> the Coffeehouse Chronicales at Lamama?! The Harris family will be speaking
> from 3 - 5 tomorrow, Saturday, April 30th, in the Club at LaMama, 74A E. 4th
> Street, More info at www.lamama.org.
> 
> I was hoping to be there but life is not cooperating. I'll be there in
> spirit, and some other list members will be there in the flesh. Break a leg
> WMH!
> 
> Here's the Harris family bio that LaMama is sending out:
> 
> THE HARRIS FAMILY
> 
> In the early sixties a family of eight had a dream - leave their home in
> Florida and set out to succeed in show business in New York City.  The
> advance scout was father George who met Ellen Stewart shortly after his
> arrival in 1962.  By December of that year he was acting and directing
> for La MaMa and Caffe Cino and the following year felt sure-footed
> enough to send for his wife, Ann, and their six kids.Ellen helped them find
> their first apartment and gave them a theater home.  All eight Harrises
> quickly became regulars on the off-off-Broadway scene.
> 
> Dubbed "The Lunts of off-off-Broadway" by playwright Robert Patrick, The
> Harris Family distinguished itself as a family of actors, writers,
> singers, dancers and producers.
> 
> Someone who is there please let us all know how it goes!
> 
> Love,
> Nina
> 
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Apr 29 06:49:36 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:54:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
References: <BE979C4C.20F7B%michael@michaelbutler.com>
	<001001c54cbd$b2386f20$1606ca44@CowBox>
Message-ID: <00af01c54cc2$48791b70$4065fea9@Charles>

THIS IS THE DAY THE WORLD CHANGED BECAUSE OF US ~~HAPPY BIRTHDAY 
HAIR~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PEACE, LOVE, FREEDOM, FAITH, HAPPINESS, JOY, GRACE, BLESSINGS, LIFE IS SO 
GOOD
~~Charles~~
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Day


> HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAIR!!!!!
>
> Love forever
> Robin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:09 AM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
>
>
>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
>> To All in Hair
>> Peace and Love,
>> Michael
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>





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From ace at aceross.com  Fri Apr 29 06:51:35 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Fri Apr 29 06:56:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
In-Reply-To: <00af01c54cc2$48791b70$4065fea9@Charles>
Message-ID: <20050429135139.04A569FC10@lax-gw05.mroute.net>

Happy Birthday HAiR!

Thank you for giving me life :)

Sherwin Ross

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Charles Preston
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 6:50 AM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Day

THIS IS THE DAY THE WORLD CHANGED BECAUSE OF US ~~HAPPY BIRTHDAY 
HAIR~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PEACE, LOVE, FREEDOM, FAITH, HAPPINESS, JOY, GRACE, BLESSINGS, LIFE IS SO 
GOOD
~~Charles~~
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Day


> HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAIR!!!!!
>
> Love forever
> Robin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:09 AM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
>
>
>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
>> To All in Hair
>> Peace and Love,
>> Michael
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>






From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 29 06:59:19 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Apr 29 07:03:59 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Bridgeport Hair again
Message-ID: <BAY104-F16128CB48B33A59759F2FB2240@phx.gbl>

Hi all,

We are over 20 now for Bridgeport Hair on May 21st - at LaMama last weekend 
Natalie Mosco decided to join us.

I just received the message below from Donna at the theatre. The show has a 
performance on the 22nd, but it is a private party for a charity, so they 
are looking at the 21st, when we are going, as the closing night and having 
their cast party that night. They have invited us all, as you can see below. 
Not sure if Julie Arenal will be there or not.

Love,
Nina

>From Donna:
I got the okay to have a HAIR cast party on Saturday the 21st and
all of our HAIR Archive friends in attendance that night are invited.
It will be after the 8:30 show (probably start around 1130).  Please
pass along the invitation to Michael and the rest of the gang.  There
are no seats available for the 830 but if its a nice evening you could
all hang out on the "Casa Rosado" or in the lobby.  Its nothing fancy --
I'm going to beg and steal pizzas and hopefully sandwiches and then
there will be wine, beer and sodas -- it would be great to have you all
there.  If anyone needs to stay the night I might be able to get a
discount on rooms at the Holiday Inn.  They sometimes let us book at at
special rate depending on availability.


The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From fotoblue at flash.net  Fri Apr 29 07:34:47 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Fri Apr 29 07:39:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?? HAPPY  37th BIRTHDAY HAIR!
Message-ID: <47460-220054529143447190@M2W041.mail2web.com>

CAN IT BE?
April 29, 1968...
where did all those years go??

 the most amazing fact: WE ARE STILL HERE!
Peace and LOVE to you all

 Dagmar
http://home.flash.net/~akstudio/dagmar.beginnings.html


Happy Birthday HAiR!

Thank you for giving me life :)

Sherwin Ross


THIS IS THE DAY THE WORLD CHANGED BECAUSE OF US ~~HAPPY BIRTHDAY 
HAIR~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PEACE, LOVE, FREEDOM, FAITH, HAPPINESS, JOY, GRACE, BLESSINGS, LIFE IS 
SO 
GOOD
~~Charles~~
-

> HAPPY BIRTHDAY HAIR!!!!!
>
> Love forever
> Robin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 11:09 AM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
>
>
>> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
>> To All in Hair
>> Peace and Love,
>> Michael
>>
>

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Apr 29 11:08:57 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Apr 29 08:13:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re:  The Americas Need A New Bold Policy On Drugs
In-Reply-To: <26883-4271EC74-3505@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BE97C649.20FC5%michael@michaelbutler.com>

I sent it to Civic
Michael

> 
> The older  I get, the more I'm convinced that there's potentally very
> little difference between my wanting to have my Jack Daniels on the
> rocks, every once in a while, and some one else wanting to do their,
> within a sense of reason, drug of choice.
> 
> There's really no reason, perhaps, why someone shouldn't be able to go
> to their physician, and say, "I'd like to do a little Coke this weekend,
> Doc."  With a PRESCRIPTION, there could be some sort of control over the
> process.
> 
> You'd remove the black market and the billions earned by organized crime
> (and the related violent crimes that go with the current infrastructure
> of the illicit drug economy).
> 
> On top of everything else, you'd have a marvelous new tax revenue
> stream!
> 
> It would also help, I believe, deal with the problem that NO ONE in
> America wants to talk about; the problem tha no one has wanted to talk
> about for over thirty years:
> 
> Children doing drugs.
> 
> Do you have any idea how many fourteen year-olds are going to part of
> their high school day, high?
> 
> When you remove the hysteria, the arguemnt can be made that there really
> isn't much of a problem--once you remove the illegality, with an adult
> "doing drugs."
> 
> But we have completely failed as a nation to confront why so many MIDDLE
> and UPPER class youths like getting stoned...
> 
> Legalizing drugs, implementing some type of prescription program, would
> make it easier to deal with, what to me, is the greatest sadness.
> 
> You'd still have abuse, much as with teenage alcoholism, but if you
> removed the glamour of an "underground" transaction, things might be,
> much diferent.
> 
> Adults, of course, should be allowed to chose what they wish to do, as
> long as it harms no one else...
> 
> There's another major problem with revising our country's drug laws.
> 
> People are marking money on putting folks in jail.
> 
> Forget municipalities.
> 
> If the trend towards privatization of prisons continues....
> 
> (PRIVATE companies are now in the busines of running prisons, in parts
> of the United States)
> 
> There will be a price tag on the back of any potental arrest.
> 
> And there will be many folks unhappy at any law-change that promsies to
> put fewer people behind bars.
> 
> It'll be bad for business.
> 
> 
> Jim Burns
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Apr 29 08:28:45 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Apr 29 08:34:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] MORE    IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
References: <BE97AF9B.20F90%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <02a701c54cd0$2224e900$6e436c42@hotprojects>

why is a mac better michael?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>; "Civic"
<mb-civic@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:32 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] MORE IMPORTANT - from the List Mama


> Thanks to List Mama and Cheese.
> I use Entourage for email and Firefox as my browser. I do have Explorer
and
> Safari but rarely use them anymore. I am preparing to go to Apple's email
in
> place of Microsoft's Entourage next week when I install the new Mac OS
> "Tiger" (my former nickname, now my son's).
> For the first time I am getting anti virus application.
> However I do open attachments from sources I do not know.
> Final Note: Get a Mac you will thank me. I started with Dos. I have been
> thanking my sister since leaving the 'evil empire' for a Mac.
> XO Michael
>
> > Hey Cheese (and anyone else interested...)
> >
> > Michael didn't open the virus - his email address is just like yours in
the
> > undeliverable emails you are getting back. Michael uses a Mac which is
> > blissfully immune to most viruses. Someone who uses a PC, and most
likely
> > Internet Explorer and Outlook Express, and who has our emails addresses
> > (Michael, you, lamama, bunim murray productions...), as well as both the
> > Hair and Civic list, in their address book opened the virus. It is hard
to
> > pinpoint the person who is infected. A good rule of thumb for those of
us
> > using PCs is to never open attachments from ANYONE if they are not the
usual
> > file extensions.For instance,  .jpg and .doc. and .exl and others that
we
> > deal with regularly are fine. Avoid anything with unual file extensions,
> > like .scr and .pif or anything else you are not used to seeing
regularly. If
> > it comes from someone you know, but has an odd extension email the
person it
> > came from and ask them if they sent it and what it is BEFORE OPENING IT.
Two
> > important things to remember: You must open the attachment in order to
> > become infected by the virus most of the time (although the virus makers
> > have come up with a few numbers that can be embedded in html in an
email,
> > but that is still rare, and not what is going around the list at this
> > point). Secondly,just because your name appears as the sender of an
infected
> > email it does not mean that you have the virus, rather that someone who
has
> > you in their email address book has (or had) the virus. The single most
> > important thing that you can do is invest in a good anti-virus program,
such
> > as Norton Anti-Virus or other similar programs, for your computer, and
use
> > it regularly to scan all incoming email and your entire computer
regularly.
> > And keep your virus definitions updated within the program.
> >
> > If the list of email address above sounds suspiciously like anyone's
address
> > book email me privately, at this address, and I can give you the
specific
> > addresses at those domaines and you can see if you need to scan your
> > computer.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> > Nina
> >
> > P.S. - to those in digest format please excuse my leaving Cheeseburger's
> > entire email attached below, but as I am sending this to the Hair list
as
> > wel,l there are many who haven't seen the original post and need to read
it
> > to understand what I amtalking about.
> >
> > The Hair Archives
> > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
> >> From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury@granderiver.net>
> >> Reply-To: mb-civic@islandlists.com
> >> To: "mb-civic" <mb-civic@islandlists.com>
> >> Subject: [Mb-civic] IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
> >> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:52:41 -0500
> >>
> >> IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd like to put my 2 cents in on this one, maybe it will help someone,
or
> >> even help me.
> >>
> >> Ok, I was wondering what was going on, as I am now receiving emails to
> >> myself from my isp server saying "Mail Undeliverable", but it also says
it
> >> was sent originally to whomever by me at maxfury@granderiver.net, which
it
> >> wasn't.  This has been going on for about a week or so I think.
> >>
> >> So, let me know, heh, this is serious, if Michael opened up a virus
thing
> >> and it scanned his Address Book, then that's why I'm getting
"Undeliverable
> >> Mail Returned" not sent by me to who knows how many people, but saying
it
> >> was sent from my email address, so whoever was in his Address Book it
has
> >> snapped up our email addresses and is sending viruses to countless
people
> >> with viruses in them saying that we sent them, heh.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I was wondering what was going on.  Just for the record, I have
not
> >> received an email from anyone in a long time, I access the MB Civic
List
> >> from The Internet directly, and rarely if ever open anything from there
in
> >> my Internet Browser that says "attachment attached" or whatever.
> >>
> >> In fact, I really wish people would NOT send attachments of any kind (I
> >> don't know if that's possible or not) and rather than an
***Attachment***
> >> (which a rather stout proportion of posts on the MB Civic Lists contain
> >> *just* them rather than even just a body in the post) put *at least* a
> >> website address instead where the information, jpeg or whatever can be
> >> directly accessed.  But then again I'm just wishing.
> >>
> >> Other than that, that's my take on it.  If anyone needs copies of the
> >> emails
> >> of "Undeliverable Mail" that was/was not sent by me but returned to me
> >> because of "Fatal Errors", I will gladly forward them on if they will
be of
> >> any use.
> >>
> >> Let me know if it all gets fixed, what's going on, or if there will be
> >> emails using my email address to send out viruses to people around the
> >> world
> >> until the end of time or something.
> >>
> >> All in all, I have a feeling this is not going to help me sell mesquite
> >> bowls on the Internet, lol.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheeseburger
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
> _______________________________________________
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Apr 29 11:39:30 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Apr 29 08:44:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] MORE    IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
In-Reply-To: <02a701c54cd0$2224e900$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BE97CD72.20FD9%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Easier to use, I have had maybe 6 over the years none ever crashed. Nowadays
it can open any PC stuff. Many games are available. Terrific design. Super
Care available. Great sense of humor. The 'Bentley' of computers.
Michael

> why is a mac better michael?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>; "Civic"
> <mb-civic@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 12:32 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] MORE IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
> 
> 
>> Thanks to List Mama and Cheese.
>> I use Entourage for email and Firefox as my browser. I do have Explorer
> and
>> Safari but rarely use them anymore. I am preparing to go to Apple's email
> in
>> place of Microsoft's Entourage next week when I install the new Mac OS
>> "Tiger" (my former nickname, now my son's).
>> For the first time I am getting anti virus application.
>> However I do open attachments from sources I do not know.
>> Final Note: Get a Mac you will thank me. I started with Dos. I have been
>> thanking my sister since leaving the 'evil empire' for a Mac.
>> XO Michael
>> 
>>> Hey Cheese (and anyone else interested...)
>>> 
>>> Michael didn't open the virus - his email address is just like yours in
> the
>>> undeliverable emails you are getting back. Michael uses a Mac which is
>>> blissfully immune to most viruses. Someone who uses a PC, and most
> likely
>>> Internet Explorer and Outlook Express, and who has our emails addresses
>>> (Michael, you, lamama, bunim murray productions...), as well as both the
>>> Hair and Civic list, in their address book opened the virus. It is hard
> to
>>> pinpoint the person who is infected. A good rule of thumb for those of
> us
>>> using PCs is to never open attachments from ANYONE if they are not the
> usual
>>> file extensions.For instance,  .jpg and .doc. and .exl and others that
> we
>>> deal with regularly are fine. Avoid anything with unual file extensions,
>>> like .scr and .pif or anything else you are not used to seeing
> regularly. If
>>> it comes from someone you know, but has an odd extension email the
> person it
>>> came from and ask them if they sent it and what it is BEFORE OPENING IT.
> Two
>>> important things to remember: You must open the attachment in order to
>>> become infected by the virus most of the time (although the virus makers
>>> have come up with a few numbers that can be embedded in html in an
> email,
>>> but that is still rare, and not what is going around the list at this
>>> point). Secondly,just because your name appears as the sender of an
> infected
>>> email it does not mean that you have the virus, rather that someone who
> has
>>> you in their email address book has (or had) the virus. The single most
>>> important thing that you can do is invest in a good anti-virus program,
> such
>>> as Norton Anti-Virus or other similar programs, for your computer, and
> use
>>> it regularly to scan all incoming email and your entire computer
> regularly.
>>> And keep your virus definitions updated within the program.
>>> 
>>> If the list of email address above sounds suspiciously like anyone's
> address
>>> book email me privately, at this address, and I can give you the
> specific
>>> addresses at those domaines and you can see if you need to scan your
>>> computer.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> Nina
>>> 
>>> P.S. - to those in digest format please excuse my leaving Cheeseburger's
>>> entire email attached below, but as I am sending this to the Hair list
> as
>>> wel,l there are many who haven't seen the original post and need to read
> it
>>> to understand what I amtalking about.
>>> 
>>> The Hair Archives
>>> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: "Cheeseburger" <maxfury@granderiver.net>
>>>> Reply-To: mb-civic@islandlists.com
>>>> To: "mb-civic" <mb-civic@islandlists.com>
>>>> Subject: [Mb-civic] IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
>>>> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 00:52:41 -0500
>>>> 
>>>> IMPORTANT - from the List Mama
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to put my 2 cents in on this one, maybe it will help someone,
> or
>>>> even help me.
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, I was wondering what was going on, as I am now receiving emails to
>>>> myself from my isp server saying "Mail Undeliverable", but it also says
> it
>>>> was sent originally to whomever by me at maxfury@granderiver.net, which
> it
>>>> wasn't.  This has been going on for about a week or so I think.
>>>> 
>>>> So, let me know, heh, this is serious, if Michael opened up a virus
> thing
>>>> and it scanned his Address Book, then that's why I'm getting
> "Undeliverable
>>>> Mail Returned" not sent by me to who knows how many people, but saying
> it
>>>> was sent from my email address, so whoever was in his Address Book it
> has
>>>> snapped up our email addresses and is sending viruses to countless
> people
>>>> with viruses in them saying that we sent them, heh.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, I was wondering what was going on.  Just for the record, I have
> not
>>>> received an email from anyone in a long time, I access the MB Civic
> List
>>>> from The Internet directly, and rarely if ever open anything from there
> in
>>>> my Internet Browser that says "attachment attached" or whatever.
>>>> 
>>>> In fact, I really wish people would NOT send attachments of any kind (I
>>>> don't know if that's possible or not) and rather than an
> ***Attachment***
>>>> (which a rather stout proportion of posts on the MB Civic Lists contain
>>>> *just* them rather than even just a body in the post) put *at least* a
>>>> website address instead where the information, jpeg or whatever can be
>>>> directly accessed.  But then again I'm just wishing.
>>>> 
>>>> Other than that, that's my take on it.  If anyone needs copies of the
>>>> emails
>>>> of "Undeliverable Mail" that was/was not sent by me but returned to me
>>>> because of "Fatal Errors", I will gladly forward them on if they will
> be of
>>>> any use.
>>>> 
>>>> Let me know if it all gets fixed, what's going on, or if there will be
>>>> emails using my email address to send out viruses to people around the
>>>> world
>>>> until the end of time or something.
>>>> 
>>>> All in all, I have a feeling this is not going to help me sell mesquite
>>>> bowls on the Internet, lol.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheeseburger
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Mb-hair mailing list
>>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 
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From elizabethesquibel at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 29 10:00:51 2005
From: elizabethesquibel at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Esquibel)
Date: Fri Apr 29 10:05:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re:  Big Day
Message-ID: <BAY107-F8B06CC4967D46E39FA23CBF240@phx.gbl>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY to tribes all over the earth!!!!!!!!!!  What a Big, Big Day, 
and so many vivid glorious
memories!!!

Love and Peace Always and Forever














    HAPPY BIRTHDAY to tribes all over the earth!!!!!!!!!!  What a Huge Big 
Day, and so many vivid and glorious memories so dear to my heart!!

Love, Peace and Happiness Forever and  Always~
Elizabeth Caveness

   Welcome Home from Italy Jonathan!!!!  Jeremy and I can't wait to hear all 
about your trip!!











`
Elizabeth Caveness

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From bev at beverlybremers.com  Fri Apr 29 11:18:44 2005
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Fri Apr 29 11:23:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day!!!
Message-ID: <20050429181844.63B04109912@ws6-4.us4.outblaze.com>

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From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Fri Apr 29 12:30:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Bridgeport Hair again
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From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Fri Apr 29 12:32:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] WMH at LaMama
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From lyve at netzero.com  Fri Apr 29 12:29:08 2005
From: lyve at netzero.com (Lyle K'ang)
Date: Fri Apr 29 13:00:25 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR-Visceral Connections
Message-ID: <20050429.122911.28867.24308@webmail24.nyc.untd.com>


Lyle has sent you a link to a weblog: 

...continue to feed the souls.

Blog: Michael Butler's Blog
Post: HAIR - Visceral Connections
Link: http://www.michaelbutler.com/2005/03/hair-visceral-connections.html


Lyle Kekahi K'ang, MBA/IM 
http://silomanagement.blogspot.com/
From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Apr 29 12:58:14 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Apr 29 13:02:49 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: The Americas Need A New Bold Policy On Drugs
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV90E553958DC015A0E807FAB240@phx.gbl>

As far as the legalization of drugs I agree....it excludes the black market and keeps tabs on doses and if they are harmful or not. What totally scares me is the "Private" prisons and what you say about the price tag on OUR backs, this is scary and these guys are out to make money to pay off the cost of building and maintaining these BIG NEW private super prisons

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Burns
Sent: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 01:12:36 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: The Americas Need A New Bold Policy On Drugs


The older  I get, the more I'm convinced that there's potentally very
little difference between my wanting to have my Jack Daniels on the
rocks, every once in a while, and some one else wanting to do their,
within a sense of reason, drug of choice.

There's really no reason, perhaps, why someone shouldn't be able to go
to their physician, and say, "I'd like to do a little Coke this weekend,
Doc."  With a PRESCRIPTION, there could be some sort of control over the
process.

You'd remove the black market and the billions earned by organized crime
(and the related violent crimes that go with the current infrastructure
of the illicit drug economy).

On top of everything else, you'd have a marvelous new tax revenue
stream!

It would also help, I believe, deal with the problem that NO ONE in
America wants to talk about; the problem tha no one has wanted to talk
about for over thirty years:

Children doing drugs.

Do you have any idea how many fourteen year-olds are going to part of
their high school day, high?

When you remove the hysteria, the arguemnt can be made that there really
isn't much of a problem--once you remove the illegality, with an adult
"doing drugs."

But we have completely failed as a nation to confront why so many MIDDLE
and UPPER class youths like getting stoned...

Legalizing drugs, implementing some type of prescription program, would
make it easier to deal with, what to me, is the greatest sadness.

You'd still have abuse, much as with teenage alcoholism, but if you
removed the glamour of an "underground" transaction, things might be,
much diferent.

Adults, of course, should be allowed to chose what they wish to do, as
long as it harms no one else... 

There's another major problem with revising our country's drug laws.

People are marking money on putting folks in jail.

Forget municipalities.

If the trend towards privatization of prisons continues....

(PRIVATE companies are now in the busines of running prisons, in parts
of the United States)

There will be a price tag on the back of any potental arrest.

And there will be many folks unhappy at any law-change that promsies to
put fewer people behind bars.

It'll be bad for business.


Jim Burns

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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Apr 29 13:05:06 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Apr 29 13:09:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV795CC1C2872A45EE94B4EAB240@phx.gbl>

On THIS very special day "Happy Birthday HAiR"

Peace and Love,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Little Birdie
Sent: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:02:45 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Big Day

37 years ago tonight!!  What a special day, one that changed so many 
lives...
Love to all in the World Wide Tribe!
Nina

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http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Fri Apr 29 13:17:03 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Fri Apr 29 13:22:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 10, Issue 39
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2005
	12:00:07 -0700
Message-ID: <16275-4272963F-4333@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>


No...

I am not the guy who makes the films about the Irish brothers...

(Or dated Heather Graham, perhaps an even more enviable accomplishment.)

Now, his name is acually Edward Burns...

But, in an irony, we ARE very from the same part of New York,
originally...

So, my friend, you were being just a tad psychic!

(I HAVE been asked, before, if we're brothers.)

Best, Jim

From ace at aceross.com  Fri Apr 29 13:20:07 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Fri Apr 29 13:24:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 10, Issue 39
In-Reply-To: <16275-4272963F-4333@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <20050429202011.648D613B7DF@lax-gw04.mroute.net>

Jim, are you a buddy of Leif Riddell?

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burns
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:17 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 10, Issue 39


No...

I am not the guy who makes the films about the Irish brothers...

(Or dated Heather Graham, perhaps an even more enviable accomplishment.)

Now, his name is acually Edward Burns...

But, in an irony, we ARE very from the same part of New York,
originally...

So, my friend, you were being just a tad psychic!

(I HAVE been asked, before, if we're brothers.)

Best, Jim

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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Fri Apr 29 13:47:40 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Fri Apr 29 13:52:16 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest...
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Fri, 29 Apr 2005
	12:00:07 -0700
Message-ID: <18426-42729D6C-984@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>

"ace" Wrote:

"Jim, are you a buddy of Leif Riddell?"
__________

No, but I really dig Nelson Riddle...

(And, of course, I've got leif, brother...)
 
;-)

From ace at aceross.com  Fri Apr 29 13:49:40 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Fri Apr 29 13:54:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest...
In-Reply-To: <18426-42729D6C-984@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <20050429204944.B9BCA9FC58@lax-gw05.mroute.net>

LOL.........Thank you Brother...happy HAiR Day:)

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From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Jim Burns
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:48 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest...

"ace" Wrote:

"Jim, are you a buddy of Leif Riddell?"
__________

No, but I really dig Nelson Riddle...

(And, of course, I've got leif, brother...)
 
;-)

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From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Fri Apr 29 15:58:32 2005
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Fri Apr 29 16:03:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NEA No Child Left Behind petition
Message-ID: <1f2.8da171c.2fa41618@aol.com>

The National Education Association currently is allowing people to send a 
message to their representative via their web site to agrue against the current 
No Child Left Behind Act. Ask any educator, this is NOT a good law and it is 
NOT being implemented correctly. There is more information on the web site. 
Please consider sending this. 

http://capwiz.com/nea/issues/alert/?alertid=7400206

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Fri Apr 29 16:14:42 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Fri Apr 29 16:38:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Big Day
References: <200504291354.j3TDsSpw030074@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <002f01c54d11$39a5b0f0$6401a8c0@Leo>

Gimme a head with HAIR; long, beautiful HAIR!! Happy Birthday HAIR and all 
tribes. It's a beautiful day now isn't it?

PEACE,
Leo

> From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day


> HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
> To All in Hair
> Peace and Love,
> Michael


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 29 18:36:55 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Apr 29 18:41:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NEA No Child Left Behind petition
In-Reply-To: <1f2.8da171c.2fa41618@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F156169199C1B5012E0017CB2250@phx.gbl>

Definitely not a good law. A teacher friend says that instead of No Child 
Left Behind it should be called No Teacher Left Standing...

Thanks for sending this Amy.
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From sherwiin at aceross.com  Fri Apr 29 18:42:06 2005
From: sherwiin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Fri Apr 29 18:46:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: St. Theresa's Prayer
Message-ID: <20050430014217.17FD124AEB6@lax-gw02.mroute.net>

 

I picked seven people who I thought would DO this.

Please send this back to me! (You'll see why.) In case anyone is interested,
Saint Theresa is known as the Saint of the Little Ways. Meaning she believed
in doing the little things in life well and with great love.

She is also the patron Saint of flower growers and florists. She is
represented by roses May everyone be blessed who receives this message.

Theresa's Prayer cannot be deleted. REMEMBER to make a wish before you read
the poem.

That's all you have to do. There is nothing attached. Just send this to
seven people and let me know what happens on the fourth day. Sorry you have
to forward the message, but try not to break this, please. Prayer is one of
the best free gifts we receive. There is no cost but a lot of reward.
Suggestion: copy and paste rather than forward to protect email addresses
and access to e-virus. (Did you make a wish?) If you don't make a wish, it
won't come true. Last chance to make a wish.

 

St. Theresa's Prayer: May today there be peace within. May you trust God
that you are exactly where you are meant to be. May you not forget the
infinite possibilities that are born of faith. May you use those gifts that
you have received, and pass on the love that has been given to you....May
you be content knowing you are a child of God.... Let this presence settle
into our bones, and allow your soul the freedom to sing, dance, praise and
love.

It is there for each and every one of you.

Now, send this to 7 people within the next 5 minutes. And remember to send
this back...I count as 1...you'll see why

__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Apr 30 09:21:42 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Apr 30 06:31:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NEA No Child Left Behind petition
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F156169199C1B5012E0017CB2250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BE98FEA6.2105C%michael@michaelbutler.com>

I sure agree
Michael

> Definitely not a good law. A teacher friend says that instead of No Child
> Left Behind it should be called No Teacher Left Standing...
> 
> Thanks for sending this Amy.
> Nina
> 
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> 
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From ace at aceross.com  Sat Apr 30 06:52:00 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sat Apr 30 06:56:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Burning Desire
In-Reply-To: <BE98FEA6.2105C%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20050430135205.2C38883D0B@lax-gw03.mroute.net>


Do you see any potential in developing what I started in the treatment?

By the time the Washington Square scene comes into frame "Let the Sunshine
in is Background Music......

The new tee shirts (double headed) are shipping from Manila on May 15th for
men and women.....I will get them to the buyers at Fred Segals and Bendel's.

Masse has agreed to the terms and we are waiting for their final agreement
and artwork.......I have asked my partner to source sandals and hand bags.

Irie,

Sherwin



From sherwiin at aceross.com  Sat Apr 30 08:57:40 2005
From: sherwiin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Sat Apr 30 09:05:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: St. Theresa's Prayer
Message-ID: <3328494.1114876660307.JavaMail.root@vms062.mailsrvcs.net>

 

I pickedseven people who I thought would DO this.

Pleasesend this back to me! (You'll see why.) In case anyone is interested, 
SaintTheresa is known as the Saint of the Little Ways. Meaning she believed in 
doingthe little things in life well and with great love.

Sheis also the patron Saint of flower growers and florists. She is represented 
byroses May everyone be blessed who receives this message.

Theresa'sPrayer cannot be deleted. REMEMBER to make a wish before you read the 
poem.

That'sall you have to do. There is nothing attached. Just send this to seven 
peopleand let me know what happens on the fourth day. Sorry you have to 
forward themessage, but try not to break this, please. Prayer is one of the 
best freegifts we receive. There is no cost but a lot of reward. Suggestion: 
copy andpaste rather than forward to protect email addresses and access to e-
virus.(Did you make a wish?) If you don't make a wish, it won't come true. 
Lastchance to make a wish.

 

St.Theresa's Prayer: May today there be peace within. May you trust God that 
youare exactly where you are meant to be. May you not forget the 
infinitepossibilities that are born of faith. May you use those gifts that you 
havereceived, and pass on the love that has been given to you....May you be 
contentknowing you are a child of God.... Let this presence settle into our 
bones, andallow your soul the freedom to sing, dance, praise and love.

Itis there for each and every one of you.

Now,send this to 7 people within the next 5 minutes. And remember to send 
thisback...I count as 1...you'll see why

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 

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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 


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From ace at aceross.com  Sat Apr 30 09:38:57 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sat Apr 30 09:43:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Good News.........
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sat Apr 30 10:44:18 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sat Apr 30 10:48:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: St. Theresa's Prayer
Message-ID: <164850-22005463017441828@M2W063.mail2web.com>

Hi Sherwin, 

I have nothing against prayers to whomever...
 BUT these things are just chainletters...
and the giveaway is "in the next 5 minutes"
 what's the hurry?

so you see, you picked a wrong one (me)...
 ;-0

 nothing ever happens. if it does, let me know.
well, obviously SOMEthing always happens, if you send a message or not...

 in any case, I'm sending it back to you,  so you're not disappointed.
and I didn't make a specific wish. 

I make wishes all the time. Don't we all? Especially those of which it is
written: 
BEWARE OF WHAT YOU WISH. YOU MAY GET IT.
so much for some Saturday thoughts...
have a good weekend

P&L
 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Sherwin Ross sherwiin@aceross.com
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:57:40 -0500 (CDT)
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: St. Theresa's Prayer


 

I picked seven people who I thought would DO this.

Pleasesend this back to me! (You'll see why.) In case anyone is interested, 
SaintTheresa is known as the Saint of the Little Ways. Meaning she believed
in 
doingthe little things in life well and with great love.

Sheis also the patron Saint of flower growers and florists. She is
represented 
byroses May everyone be blessed who receives this message.

Theresa'sPrayer cannot be deleted. REMEMBER to make a wish before you read
the 
poem.

That'sall you have to do. There is nothing attached. Just send this to
seven 
peopleand let me know what happens on the fourth day. Sorry you have to 
forward themessage, but try not to break this, please. Prayer is one of the 
best freegifts we receive. There is no cost but a lot of reward.
Suggestion: 
copy andpaste rather than forward to protect email addresses and access to
e-
virus.(Did you make a wish?) If you don't make a wish, it won't come true. 
Lastchance to make a wish.

 

St.Theresa's Prayer: May today there be peace within. May you trust God
that 
youare exactly where you are meant to be. May you not forget the 
infinitepossibilities that are born of faith. May you use those gifts that
you 
havereceived, and pass on the love that has been given to you....May you be 
contentknowing you are a child of God.... Let this presence settle into our 
bones, andallow your soul the freedom to sing, dance, praise and love.

Itis there for each and every one of you.

Now,send this to 7 people within the next 5 minutes. And remember to send 
thisback...I count as 1...you'll see why



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From djbrook at hevanet.com  Sat Apr 30 07:42:48 2005
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Sat Apr 30 10:49:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NEA No Child Left Behind petition
References: <BAY104-F156169199C1B5012E0017CB2250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004101c54d92$e22cadb0$64153dc0@djb>

Nina wrote:


> Definitely not a good law. A teacher friend says that instead of No Child
> Left Behind it should be called No Teacher Left Standing...
>

I've also heard it referred to as, No Child Left Untested.  I hate this law,
and it seems intended not to help children, but to destroy what's left of
public education in this country, a result that just may be what Bush and
his cohorts want to see...

Thanks for sending it along, Amy.

-Doris

From ace at aceross.com  Sat Apr 30 10:53:05 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sat Apr 30 10:57:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: St. Theresa's Prayer
In-Reply-To: <164850-22005463017441828@M2W063.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <20050430175309.5ECE622EFAA@lax-gw01.mroute.net>

Something happened...I was invited to Bridgeport CT on May 21st:) To see
HAiR:)

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of fotoblue@flash.net
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 10:44 AM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] FW: St. Theresa's Prayer

Hi Sherwin, 

I have nothing against prayers to whomever...
 BUT these things are just chainletters...
and the giveaway is "in the next 5 minutes"
 what's the hurry?

so you see, you picked a wrong one (me)...
 ;-0

 nothing ever happens. if it does, let me know.
well, obviously SOMEthing always happens, if you send a message or not...

 in any case, I'm sending it back to you,  so you're not disappointed.
and I didn't make a specific wish. 

I make wishes all the time. Don't we all? Especially those of which it is
written: 
BEWARE OF WHAT YOU WISH. YOU MAY GET IT.
so much for some Saturday thoughts...
have a good weekend

P&L
 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Sherwin Ross sherwiin@aceross.com
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 10:57:40 -0500 (CDT)
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: St. Theresa's Prayer


 

I picked seven people who I thought would DO this.

Pleasesend this back to me! (You'll see why.) In case anyone is interested, 
SaintTheresa is known as the Saint of the Little Ways. Meaning she believed
in 
doingthe little things in life well and with great love.

Sheis also the patron Saint of flower growers and florists. She is
represented 
byroses May everyone be blessed who receives this message.

Theresa'sPrayer cannot be deleted. REMEMBER to make a wish before you read
the 
poem.

That'sall you have to do. There is nothing attached. Just send this to
seven 
peopleand let me know what happens on the fourth day. Sorry you have to 
forward themessage, but try not to break this, please. Prayer is one of the 
best freegifts we receive. There is no cost but a lot of reward.
Suggestion: 
copy andpaste rather than forward to protect email addresses and access to
e-
virus.(Did you make a wish?) If you don't make a wish, it won't come true. 
Lastchance to make a wish.

 

St.Theresa's Prayer: May today there be peace within. May you trust God
that 
youare exactly where you are meant to be. May you not forget the 
infinitepossibilities that are born of faith. May you use those gifts that
you 
havereceived, and pass on the love that has been given to you....May you be 
contentknowing you are a child of God.... Let this presence settle into our 
bones, andallow your soul the freedom to sing, dance, praise and love.

Itis there for each and every one of you.

Now,send this to 7 people within the next 5 minutes. And remember to send 
thisback...I count as 1...you'll see why



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