From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Wed Jun  1 04:38:45 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Tue May 31 14:45:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Missing HAIR Site
References: <200505301900.j4UJ08QZ025086@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <001401c5669e$77f41d00$6401a8c0@Leo>

Right you are Dauber!  Tracy became "disinterested"  (T Joe's verbiage) 
shortly after she got married. That original Jabberwocky HAIR list then 
started to fall apart
and nothing new has been added to THAT HAIR site in forever.

PEACE,
Leo

 From: Dauber <dauber@banana-and-louie.org>
 Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Missing HAIR Site

 May I add that the Jabberwocky was actually placed with David Shaw by 
ayoung lady, whose name escapes me at the moment. She started the Hair List 
I invited her down to LA (paid the ticket) and sponsored her attempts. Later 
she became disinterested and did not have the time to follow through.

 Tracy "Toots" Harris????
 dauber@banana-and-louie.org


From lilacamy11 at aol.com  Wed Jun  1 10:21:33 2005
From: lilacamy11 at aol.com (lilacamy11@aol.com)
Date: Tue May 31 20:28:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 11, Issue 41
In-Reply-To: <200505311900.j4VJ082Y027654@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
References: <200505311900.j4VJ082Y027654@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <8C734E57DE1B544-EB0-839F8@FWM-D36.sysops.aol.com>

It definitely was Tracy.... I remember that.... I'm not sure about Harris. It could be 
 
- Amy

"Life is around you and in you... Let the Sunshine In!"
- from HAIR (the musical)

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream"  - e.e. cummings
 
 
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Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:40:51 GMT
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Missing HAIR Site
To: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>, HAIR List
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Michael... Was her name Tracy Harris? (the originator of the HAiR list?)

peace,
barbara


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Butler
Sent: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:44:30 -0700
To: HAIR List
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Missing HAIR Site

May I add that the Jabberwocky was actually placed with David Shaw by a
young lady, whose name escapes me at the moment. She started the Hair List I
invited her down to LA (paid the ticket) and sponsored her attempts. Later
she became disinterested and did not have the time to follow through. Nina
tried repeatedly for collaboration. I don't think it ever happened. The Shaw
situation arose when he abruptly castigated our putting anything political
on the site. Claimed it offended members. Strange when HAIR was/is a venue
for social change and politics.
Michael

> Right - two David, both Hair connected. David Shaw is (was) the Jabberwocky
> Hair List, David James is (was) HairTribe.net web site. Both are no longer
> online, the main difference being that David James donated his site content
> to the Archives when he closed it down, David Shaw sadly did not.
> 
> Nina
> 
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> 
> 
> 
>> From: "Sibley Smith" <sjsmith@njvvmf.org>
>> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> To: "Butler, Michael - HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Missing HAIR Site
>> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:18:18 -0400
>> 
>> David Shaw is the man behind Jabberwocky.com and the original HAIR List.
>> 
>> FYI, BTW, AATJ (and all that jazz),
>> 
>> Tioga
>> 
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Wed Jun  1 10:25:42 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Tue May 31 20:32:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fwd: PMT as THE PHARO
Message-ID: <31120-22005631172542393@M2W099.mail2web.com>

Who or what is a PHARO?
 Faro= lighthouse, pharao=the egyptian guy
tried to open the image, but cannot.
is there a jpeg version?

Dagmar


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Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:55:42 -0400
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Fwd: PMT as THE PHARO


philip lets hear a vocal sample
i never knew you sung etc
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To: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fwd: PMT as THE PHARO


>
>
> > Subject: PMT as THE PHARO
> >
> > Michael
> >     Let me know if you receive this picture of me as the Pharo
> > (27"x32").  This painting was in my Spaceship Recording Studio at the
> > Miamiway Theater that I owned and operated from 1985 to 1997.  Have a
> > creative day.
> >
> > Philip Michael Thomas
> >
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Wed Jun  1 10:45:12 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Tue May 31 20:51:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Got the picture! and it's a PHARAO!
Message-ID: <46420-22005631174512593@M2W114.mail2web.com>

Philip Michael Thomas,
as the Pharao -
very handsome, great picture!
 Dagmar

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From: fotoblue@flash.net fotoblue@flash.net
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:25:42 -0400
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Fwd: PMT as THE PHARO


Who or what is a PHARO?
 Faro= lighthouse, pharao=the egyptian guy
tried to open the image, but cannot.
is there a jpeg version?

Dagmar


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Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:55:42 -0400
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Fwd: PMT as THE PHARO


philip lets hear a vocal sample
i never knew you sung etc
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To: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fwd: PMT as THE PHARO


>
>
> > Subject: PMT as THE PHARO
> >
> > Michael
> >     Let me know if you receive this picture of me as the Pharo
> > (27"x32").  This painting was in my Spaceship Recording Studio at the
> > Miamiway Theater that I owned and operated from 1985 to 1997.  Have a
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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Wed Jun  1 13:50:18 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Wed Jun  1 00:15:53 2005
Subject: : [Mb-hair] A washingtonpost.com article from: [Bill Swiggard]
Message-ID: <01d601c566eb$8577dd20$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Hey Bill,

Thanks for posting the article about the living military casualties of war.  This past Memorial Day, we inducted two more Vietnam Veterans in our "In Memory" program at the New Jersey Vietnam Veterans' Memorial.  The "In Memory" program honors those New Jersey Vietnam Veterans who have died since the war but due to war-related causes.  Just as the physical wounds can become unbearable, even after 30 years (such as with Lewis B. Puller Jr.), wounds not so easily perceivable to the outsider may eventually take their toll.  Most of the veterans honored by our "In Memory" program died either of the effects of Agent Orange poisoning or of PTSD, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (often, "self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the head" -- obviously the nightmares could be taken no longer).

Yeah, an early motto of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War was "Hate the War; Honor the Warrior."  I've got a bumper sticker that reads "Pro-Veteran; Anti-War."

And I dug meeting you and rapping with you in Bridgeport, Bill.  Let's do it again!

--TJ

==============================

Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 09:48:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: swiggard@comcast.net
 
 Personal Message:
 At our marvelous reunion in Bridgeport, the Mighty Tioga Joe said it best:  "hate the war, love the soldier". Amen, my friend...Enjoy -
Peace, Love, Happiness -
Bill
 
 Remember the Wounded
 
 By John Wheeler
 
 Eleven years ago Lewis B. Puller Jr., winner of a Pulitzer Prize for the book "Fortunate Son"  on his experiences as a Marine platoon commander who was severely wounded in Vietnam, took his own life. Puller had lost both legs and the use of his hands in the war. On May 11, 1994, he finally succumbed...
 
 To view the entire article, go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/29/AR2005052900913.html?referrer=emailarticle
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Jun  3 15:52:59 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Jun  3 01:59:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Sir! No Sir!
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV13C2C18811FC09C3F7FAC2AB070@phx.gbl>

For those of you on the West Coast... Please check this out.

peace,
barbara
~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~
RE:     Sir! No Sir!

Subject: Premiere of Sir! No Sir!

Please join us for the world premiere of
Sir! No Sir! at the Los Angeles Independent
Film Festival---

Sunday, June 19, 7 pm
Directors Guild Theater
7920 Sunset Blvd---

Second screening Thursday, June 23, 5:30 pm---


There is no more appropriate time than
now to tell the riveting, incendiary story of
GI Antiwar Movement during the Vietnam
War. Help us launch this crucial film into
the world by spreading the word and
attending the premiere.

In the 1960's an anti-war movement emerged that altered the course of history.
This movement didn't take place on college
campuses, but in barracks and on ships. It
flourished in army stockades, navy brigs
and in the dingy towns that surround
military bases. It penetrated elite military
colleges like West Point, and it spread
throughout the battlefields of Vietnam.
It was a movement no one expected, least
of all those in it. 

Hundreds went to prison and thousands
into exile. By 1971 it had, in the words of
one colonel, infested the entire armed
services. Yet today few people know about
the GI movement against the war in
Vietnam.

"Opening narration of Sir! No Sir"

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Los Angeles, CA 90039
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From sherwin at aceross.com  Fri Jun  3 16:56:56 2005
From: sherwin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Fri Jun  3 03:03:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Crash
Message-ID: <20050603235707.EEA3324AE94@lax-gw02.mroute.net>

Dear Tribe,

 

I just have a burning desire to share how torn up I am inside after seeing
the movie"Crash" this afternoon.

 

Our lives are so removed and isolated from so much hurt and pain.

 

How lucky are we to be able to love and hug and have the desire to make the
world a better place.

 

Michael Butler, if no one has told you today that 'I love you". Which it
being so late in the day, I am probably late to say this, "I love you".

 

Thank you for opening our eyes, "Our eyes are wide open!"

 

Tribe, I love you, we are the chosen few that truly make a difference, I am
so proud to be a part of this.

 

Sherwin Ross

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From cpreston1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Jun  3 23:47:21 2005
From: cpreston1 at bellsouth.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Fri Jun  3 09:54:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Crash
References: <20050603235707.EEA3324AE94@lax-gw02.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <051c01c568d1$427ed8b0$4065fea9@Charles>

Hello Tribe,

I to concure with Sherwin. I Love all of you down through every cell all the way to the adamantine particlesl!!! ;-)

Peace, Love, Blessings to all
~~Charles~~ ;-)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sherwin Ross 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 7:56 PM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Crash


  Dear Tribe,

   

  I just have a burning desire to share how torn up I am inside after seeing the movie"Crash" this afternoon.

   

  Our lives are so removed and isolated from so much hurt and pain.

   

  How lucky are we to be able to love and hug and have the desire to make the world a better place.

   

  Michael Butler, if no one has told you today that 'I love you". Which it being so late in the day, I am probably late to say this, "I love you".

   

  Thank you for opening our eyes, "Our eyes are wide open!"

   

  Tribe, I love you, we are the chosen few that truly make a difference, I am so proud to be a part of this.

   

  Sherwin Ross

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   



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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Jun  4 06:59:29 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Jun  4 05:29:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Crash
In-Reply-To: <20050603235707.EEA3324AE94@lax-gw02.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <BEC72C01.211CC%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Sherwin,
Thanks for all the nice words.
Michael

> Dear Tribe,
>  
> I just have a burning desire to share how torn up I am inside after seeing the
> movie?Crash? this afternoon.
>  
> Our lives are so removed and isolated from so much hurt and pain.
>  
> How lucky are we to be able to love and hug and have the desire to make the
> world a better place.
>  
> Michael Butler, if no one has told you today that ?I love you?. Which it being
> so late in the day, I am probably late to say this, ?I love you?.
>  
> Thank you for opening our eyes, ?Our eyes are wide open!?
>  
> Tribe, I love you, we are the chosen few that truly make a difference, I am so
> proud to be a part of this.
>  
> Sherwin Ross
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sat Jun  4 22:05:36 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sat Jun  4 08:12:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Crash
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV4C9DF77B38C6D0F89A03EABF80@phx.gbl>

Michael....

Sherwins words to you are felt by many of us... I know I feel the love you have given to so many of us over the years and I am proud to be a part of your tribe after all you have done for us and the world.

peace, love and freedom,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Butler
Sent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:59:29 -0700
To: HAIR List
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Crash

Sherwin,
Thanks for all the nice words.
Michael

> Dear Tribe,
>  
> I just have a burning desire to share how torn up I am inside after seeing the
> movieCrash this afternoon.
>  
> Our lives are so removed and isolated from so much hurt and pain.
>  
> How lucky are we to be able to love and hug and have the desire to make the
> world a better place.
>  
> Michael Butler, if no one has told you today that I love you. Which it being
> so late in the day, I am probably late to say this, I love you.
>  
> Thank you for opening our eyes, Our eyes are wide open!
>  
> Tribe, I love you, we are the chosen few that truly make a difference, I am so
> proud to be a part of this.
>  
> Sherwin Ross
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Jun  5 09:41:01 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun  4 19:47:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Crash
References: <BAY5-DAV4C9DF77B38C6D0F89A03EABF80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00e701c569ed$5bd49030$6e436c42@hotprojects>

me too
certainly if i didnt see HAIR at the age of 10
I wouldnt be here creating and raising money for projects
25 hours a day
all my love
richard
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
To: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>; "HAIR List"
<mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Crash


> Michael....
>
> Sherwins words to you are felt by many of us... I know I feel the love you
have given to so many of us over the years and I am proud to be a part of
your tribe after all you have done for us and the world.
>
> peace, love and freedom,
> barbara
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Butler
> Sent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 06:59:29 -0700
> To: HAIR List
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Crash
>
> Sherwin,
> Thanks for all the nice words.
> Michael
>
> > Dear Tribe,
> >
> > I just have a burning desire to share how torn up I am inside after
seeing the
> > movieCrash this afternoon.
> >
> > Our lives are so removed and isolated from so much hurt and pain.
> >
> > How lucky are we to be able to love and hug and have the desire to make
the
> > world a better place.
> >
> > Michael Butler, if no one has told you today that I love you. Which it
being
> > so late in the day, I am probably late to say this, I love you.
> >
> > Thank you for opening our eyes, Our eyes are wide open!
> >
> > Tribe, I love you, we are the chosen few that truly make a difference, I
am so
> > proud to be a part of this.
> >
> > Sherwin Ross
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From michael at intrafi.com  Sun Jun  5 11:48:56 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sat Jun  4 21:55:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: Now Playing on Broadway: The Money Pit
Message-ID: <20050605184856.C6276A102E@lax-gw09.mroute.net>

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BUSINESS | June 4, 2005
Joseph Nocera: Now Playing on Broadway: The Money Pit

The producers of an off-Broadway show chose to keep it off Broadway, signaling something important about the impossible economics of the Broadway theater.
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Jun  5 12:07:45 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun  4 22:14:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: Now Playing on Broadway: The Money Pit
References: <20050605184856.C6276A102E@lax-gw09.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <034a01c56a01$dbb3c370$6e436c42@hotprojects>

E-Mail Thisbut the mechanics of off broadway theater on a commercial level are even worse
and theres no way with stars like that who are obviously making a huge financial concession to appear; eg salaries
cannot top 1500ish and are probably even less
that the play is set up to run
i think also sellers knew for a talky ( for the general population ) albeit wonderful play
that no one was going to come this time around on a bdwy level
it is a real quandry
i think the future lies in unconventional large scale spaces
not on broadway

also sit down companies in los angeles, chicago, toronto etc
with bdwy being used as an advertising tool
on the other hand
you do have successes like wicked mama mia lion king etc
that are doing hand over fist money
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Mon Jun  6 02:13:46 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun Jun  5 12:20:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Overture, Hit the Lights...
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Sun, 5 Jun 2005
	12:00:07 -0700
Message-ID: <20538-42A413CA-1033@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>


Here's why a Broadway show COULD run for two years, successfully--

And never make its money back.

Let's say you have a musical capitalized at eight milion dollars. That's
about moderate for nowadays. (LITTLE WOMEN was brought in for about $5.8
million, a bigger musial, could cost, say, abouit twelve million, or way
upwards....)

The "capitalization" is just the amount it takes you to get to OPENING
NIGHT.

(Although, the wise producer will have stored within that buget, a
four-to-eight week contingency, to cover one-to-two months of poor, or
slow, ticket sales...)

Let's now say, your WEEKLY RUNNIN COSTS are $400,000.

The four hundred grand is what it costs you to rent your theatre, pay
your actors, your musicians, your tech crew, your union fees, your
advertising, your royalties...

You have to MAKE $40,000 in ticket sales, before ever making a "weekly"
profit--

Which goes to paying off the original eight million dollars.


Let's say you're selling 80% of your tickets, in an average one thousand
seat Broadway house. 

80% would be terrific nowadays.

At an average of $70.00 a ticket--which would be pretty good, bcause it
doesn't take into account the discountd. special advance ticket sales
you've generated with special mailings and other promotions--

You're making about $56,000 a performance.

Or,  $448,000, a week.

YOU ARE ONLY GETTING $48,000 a week towards your original invesment--or
rather, you backers' invesment--of the show's actual budget, $8 million
dollars....

After a year, you'd still be about five-and-a-half million in the hole.

With a relative hit show.

It could take you three-plus years just to BREAK EVEN.

To be sure, the lead producer, or producers, would also be generating
money off tours, and ancillary sales....

But just a quick ilustration, in why Broadway has become an even tougher
business...

Best, Jim Burns

From jameshburns at webtv.net  Mon Jun  6 02:16:38 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun Jun  5 12:23:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] That Should Have Been $400,000 in Weekly Ticket Sales...
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Sun, 5 Jun 2005
	12:00:07 -0700
Message-ID: <20537-42A41476-1628@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>


That should have been $400,000 in weekly ticket sales, in the middle of
that missive...

Jim

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Jun  6 04:53:47 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun  5 15:00:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Overture, Hit the Lights...
References: <20538-42A413CA-1033@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <004401c56a8e$65c162c0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

little women was more jim
and the shows take now an average of 1 and a half to 2 years to pay back
but jim
are you the guy who does all the films about the irish brothers?
( or is that a different burns )?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:13 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Overture, Hit the Lights...


> 
> Here's why a Broadway show COULD run for two years, successfully--
> 
> And never make its money back.
> 
> Let's say you have a musical capitalized at eight milion dollars. That's
> about moderate for nowadays. (LITTLE WOMEN was brought in for about $5.8
> million, a bigger musial, could cost, say, abouit twelve million, or way
> upwards....)
> 
> The "capitalization" is just the amount it takes you to get to OPENING
> NIGHT.
> 
> (Although, the wise producer will have stored within that buget, a
> four-to-eight week contingency, to cover one-to-two months of poor, or
> slow, ticket sales...)
> 
> Let's now say, your WEEKLY RUNNIN COSTS are $400,000.
> 
> The four hundred grand is what it costs you to rent your theatre, pay
> your actors, your musicians, your tech crew, your union fees, your
> advertising, your royalties...
> 
> You have to MAKE $40,000 in ticket sales, before ever making a "weekly"
> profit--
> 
> Which goes to paying off the original eight million dollars.
> 
> 
> Let's say you're selling 80% of your tickets, in an average one thousand
> seat Broadway house. 
> 
> 80% would be terrific nowadays.
> 
> At an average of $70.00 a ticket--which would be pretty good, bcause it
> doesn't take into account the discountd. special advance ticket sales
> you've generated with special mailings and other promotions--
> 
> You're making about $56,000 a performance.
> 
> Or,  $448,000, a week.
> 
> YOU ARE ONLY GETTING $48,000 a week towards your original invesment--or
> rather, you backers' invesment--of the show's actual budget, $8 million
> dollars....
> 
> After a year, you'd still be about five-and-a-half million in the hole.
> 
> With a relative hit show.
> 
> It could take you three-plus years just to BREAK EVEN.
> 
> To be sure, the lead producer, or producers, would also be generating
> money off tours, and ancillary sales....
> 
> But just a quick ilustration, in why Broadway has become an even tougher
> business...
> 
> Best, Jim Burns
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Jun  6 04:55:17 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun  5 15:02:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] That Should Have Been $400,
	000 in Weekly Ticket Sales...
References: <20537-42A41476-1628@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <004b01c56a8e$9b8a0060$6e436c42@hotprojects>

you have to do in ticket sales now
600k+ to be accounted a success
wicked is just about breaking even now
and they were doing 1,000,000+a week
of course the run on wicked must be in the 600k+ range
its rough its rough
i spend all day budgets for shows
its rough
and off broadway for the most part
has been effectively killed commercially
unfortunately
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:16 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] That Should Have Been $400,000 in Weekly Ticket Sales...


> 
> That should have been $400,000 in weekly ticket sales, in the middle of
> that missive...
> 
> Jim
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Jun  6 04:59:26 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun  5 15:06:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] That Should Have Been $400,
	000 in Weekly Ticket Sales...
References: <20537-42A41476-1628@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>
	<004b01c56a8e$9b8a0060$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <001101c56a8f$301cf980$6e436c42@hotprojects>

the future of shows
particularly in nyc
may lie in unconventional large scale bdwy size venues
not on bdwy
old opera houses scattered throughout the city
old ballrooms
churchs
where you can get 1500 - 2500 seats
and pay only about 20k/ week in rental expenses etc
and one is not crippled by concommitant union costs
rough
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] That Should Have Been $400, 000 in Weekly Ticket
Sales...


> you have to do in ticket sales now
> 600k+ to be accounted a success
> wicked is just about breaking even now
> and they were doing 1,000,000+a week
> of course the run on wicked must be in the 600k+ range
> its rough its rough
> i spend all day budgets for shows
> its rough
> and off broadway for the most part
> has been effectively killed commercially
> unfortunately
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 5:16 AM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] That Should Have Been $400,000 in Weekly Ticket
Sales...
>
>
> >
> > That should have been $400,000 in weekly ticket sales, in the middle of
> > that missive...
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> _______________________________________________
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Jun  6 05:33:09 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun  5 15:40:02 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] ed burns is the one who makes the films about the brothers
Message-ID: <000f01c56a93$e5ec90f0$6e436c42@hotprojects>


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From jefbek at mindspring.com  Sun Jun  5 22:07:49 2005
From: jefbek at mindspring.com (Jef Bek)
Date: Sun Jun  5 19:38:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The Downing Street Memo
Message-ID: <200506060238.j562cST7010044@dune.islandtechnologies.net>

Have you heard about
The Downing Street Memo?

http://downingstreetmemo.com/index.html

The Downing Street Memo is actually a document containing meeting minutes
transcribed during the British Prime Minister's meeting on July 23, 2002
with British and American intelligence agents a full eight months PRIOR to
the invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003.

The memo states "Intelligence and Facts were being FIXED around the Policy"!
Plans for war had begun in earnest as the Bush administration was publicly
announcing "We are doing everything we can to avoid war in Iraq"

Please read this website

http://downingstreetmemo.com/whycare.html

It is no longer an opinion that Bush lied...

IT IS A PROVABLE FACT!

This is not getting much press...YET!

Please do what you can! Read about it, spread the word!
Congressman Conyers has drafted a letter to Bush demanding an explanation!
He has over 110,000 signatures. Please sign his petition:

http://www.johnconyers.com/index.asp?Type=NONE&SEC={456ECCD5-4EAC-4C6D-8A17-
89728B250AE2}

John Kerry is going to speak about it on the floor of the Senate on Monday.

Whether you are a Democrat or a Republican. Shouldn't there be an
investigation to find the truth? If this is true, hundreds of thousands of
lives have been horrifically used as pawns in Bush's sick war game! The
recent reveal of "Deep Throat" reminds us of how deeply twisted The
Republican Party can be. Please help to bring THE DOWNING STREET MEMO to
light.

Thank You,

Jef Bek
Citizen for truth and peace

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Jun  6 09:39:30 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Jun  5 19:46:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Overture, Hit the Lights...
In-Reply-To: <20538-42A413CA-1033@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BEC9CA52.2059E%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Jim,
Thanks for sending this.
Michael

> 
> Here's why a Broadway show COULD run for two years, successfully--
> 
> And never make its money back.
> 
> Let's say you have a musical capitalized at eight milion dollars. That's
> about moderate for nowadays. (LITTLE WOMEN was brought in for about $5.8
> million, a bigger musial, could cost, say, abouit twelve million, or way
> upwards....)
> 
> The "capitalization" is just the amount it takes you to get to OPENING
> NIGHT.
> 
> (Although, the wise producer will have stored within that buget, a
> four-to-eight week contingency, to cover one-to-two months of poor, or
> slow, ticket sales...)
> 
> Let's now say, your WEEKLY RUNNIN COSTS are $400,000.
> 
> The four hundred grand is what it costs you to rent your theatre, pay
> your actors, your musicians, your tech crew, your union fees, your
> advertising, your royalties...
> 
> You have to MAKE $40,000 in ticket sales, before ever making a "weekly"
> profit--
> 
> Which goes to paying off the original eight million dollars.
> 
> 
> Let's say you're selling 80% of your tickets, in an average one thousand
> seat Broadway house.
> 
> 80% would be terrific nowadays.
> 
> At an average of $70.00 a ticket--which would be pretty good, bcause it
> doesn't take into account the discountd. special advance ticket sales
> you've generated with special mailings and other promotions--
> 
> You're making about $56,000 a performance.
> 
> Or,  $448,000, a week.
> 
> YOU ARE ONLY GETTING $48,000 a week towards your original invesment--or
> rather, you backers' invesment--of the show's actual budget, $8 million
> dollars....
> 
> After a year, you'd still be about five-and-a-half million in the hole.
> 
> With a relative hit show.
> 
> It could take you three-plus years just to BREAK EVEN.
> 
> To be sure, the lead producer, or producers, would also be generating
> money off tours, and ancillary sales....
> 
> But just a quick ilustration, in why Broadway has become an even tougher
> business...
> 
> Best, Jim Burns
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Mon Jun  6 09:35:45 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Sun Jun  5 20:01:42 2005
Subject: : [Mb-hair] Re: Sir! No Sir!
Message-ID: <009e01c56ab5$cac489f0$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Thanks, Barbara.  I've passed this along to my VFP and VVAW contacts (Veterans For Peace and Vietnam Veterans Against the War).

tioga

=====================

Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:52:59 GMT
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>

For those of you on the West Coast... Please check this out.

peace,
barbara
~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~<>~
RE:     Sir! No Sir!

Subject: Premiere of Sir! No Sir!

Please join us for the world premiere of
Sir! No Sir! at the Los Angeles Independent
Film Festival---

Sunday, June 19, 7 pm
Directors Guild Theater
7920 Sunset Blvd---

Second screening Thursday, June 23, 5:30 pm---

There is no more appropriate time than
now to tell the riveting, incendiary story of
GI Antiwar Movement during the Vietnam
War. Help us launch this crucial film into
the world by spreading the word and
attending the premiere.

In the 1960's an anti-war movement emerged that altered the course of history.
This movement didn't take place on college
campuses, but in barracks and on ships. It
flourished in army stockades, navy brigs
and in the dingy towns that surround
military bases. It penetrated elite military
colleges like West Point, and it spread
throughout the battlefields of Vietnam.
It was a movement no one expected, least
of all those in it. 

Hundreds went to prison and thousands
into exile. By 1971 it had, in the words of
one colonel, infested the entire armed
services. Yet today few people know about
the GI movement against the war in
Vietnam.

(Opening narration of "Sir! No Sir")
--- 
Displaced Films
3421 Fernwood Avenue
Los Angeles, CA 90039
323-906-9249
www.displacedfilms.com




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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun  5 20:32:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] more and more the ny/ bdwy company
Message-ID: <004201c56abc$bfcac4e0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

figures into the overall portfolio of a given project
as an advertising tool for the world and national
companies
very bizarre
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From tali at gatetheatre.co.uk  Mon Jun  6 10:27:19 2005
From: tali at gatetheatre.co.uk (Tali)
Date: Sun Jun  5 20:34:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at the GATE THEATRE, LONDON
In-Reply-To: <BEC9CA52.2059E%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <001301c56abc$fff947d0$1200000a@gatetheatre.local>

Dear all

Michael suggested I subscribe to this list as I'm producing HAIR at the
Gate Theatre, London. The show, directed by Daniel Kramer (Through the
Leaves, with Simon Callow and Ann Mitchell) and with musical supervision
by Stephen Brooker (Woman in White, My Fair Lady), will open in
September 2005.

This is the first ever musical the Gate has produced, and we'd so value
your insight and support. As a 70-seat off-West End theatre, we are
(pardon the pun) excited to take HAIR back to its roots - the Gate
Theatre auditorium is an average 60 square meters; the show will have 65
seats. 

If you're interested in hearing more about the production, don't
hesitate to email me directly at tali@gatetheatre.co.uk.
Looking forward to hearing from you. 

All best wishes

Tali Pelman
Producer
 
The Gate Theatre
11 Pembridge Road
London W11 3HQ
020 7229 5387
www.gatetheatre.co.uk
 

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
Sent: 06 June 2005 17:40
To: HAIR List
Cc: Rusty Holzer; Robert Emmer; Ken Myers
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Overture, Hit the Lights...

Jim,
Thanks for sending this.
Michael

> 
> Here's why a Broadway show COULD run for two years, successfully--
> 
> And never make its money back.
> 
> Let's say you have a musical capitalized at eight milion dollars.
That's
> about moderate for nowadays. (LITTLE WOMEN was brought in for about
$5.8
> million, a bigger musial, could cost, say, abouit twelve million, or
way
> upwards....)
> 
> The "capitalization" is just the amount it takes you to get to OPENING
> NIGHT.
> 
> (Although, the wise producer will have stored within that buget, a
> four-to-eight week contingency, to cover one-to-two months of poor, or
> slow, ticket sales...)
> 
> Let's now say, your WEEKLY RUNNIN COSTS are $400,000.
> 
> The four hundred grand is what it costs you to rent your theatre, pay
> your actors, your musicians, your tech crew, your union fees, your
> advertising, your royalties...
> 
> You have to MAKE $40,000 in ticket sales, before ever making a
"weekly"
> profit--
> 
> Which goes to paying off the original eight million dollars.
> 
> 
> Let's say you're selling 80% of your tickets, in an average one
thousand
> seat Broadway house.
> 
> 80% would be terrific nowadays.
> 
> At an average of $70.00 a ticket--which would be pretty good, bcause
it
> doesn't take into account the discountd. special advance ticket sales
> you've generated with special mailings and other promotions--
> 
> You're making about $56,000 a performance.
> 
> Or,  $448,000, a week.
> 
> YOU ARE ONLY GETTING $48,000 a week towards your original
invesment--or
> rather, you backers' invesment--of the show's actual budget, $8
million
> dollars....
> 
> After a year, you'd still be about five-and-a-half million in the
hole.
> 
> With a relative hit show.
> 
> It could take you three-plus years just to BREAK EVEN.
> 
> To be sure, the lead producer, or producers, would also be generating
> money off tours, and ancillary sales....
> 
> But just a quick ilustration, in why Broadway has become an even
tougher
> business...
> 
> Best, Jim Burns
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

_______________________________________________
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From dekuyper at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  6 11:00:39 2005
From: dekuyper at sbcglobal.net (Gerald Gerald)
Date: Sun Jun  5 21:23:56 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Monkying around ...
Message-ID: <200506060423.j564NqcU010422@dune.islandtechnologies.net>

The alternative to genetically modified, poisoned and
irradiated food is organic food. It is no surprise
that the organic foods movement is growing by leaps
and bounds.
 
The Whole Foods Markets chain, for example, the
largest buyer of organic produce in the U.S., has
continually expanded to serve 40% more customers per
year, every year, for the last ten years.

 Organic fruits and vegetables contain twice the
beneficial trace minerals, according to a 1993 study
in the Journal of Applied Nutrition comparing organic
to conventional produce.

 And that's not even the important difference. The
amount of life energy in fresh organic fruits and
vegetables compared to conventional ones is like the
difference between night and day. You can see the
difference show up in Kirlian energy photography, or
you can ask a monkey.

Really! In 2002, keepers at a Copenhagen zoo began
offering 10% organic fruits to animals. The
chimpanzees surprised the keepers by actively choosing
organic bananas over the conventional ones with
pesticides. Furthermore, when they had organic bananas
to eat, the chimpanzees would eat the skins as well,
but they would take the peel off the  conventional
bananas before eating them! As you can tell, those
chimps don't monkey around when it comes to organic
bananas!


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Jun  6 11:43:13 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun  5 21:50:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at the GATE THEATRE, LONDON
References: <001301c56abc$fff947d0$1200000a@gatetheatre.local>
Message-ID: <000801c56ac7$98b76880$6e436c42@hotprojects>

the experience for an audience is at its best in a very intimate theater
kudos break a leg
how exciting best of the best
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tali" <tali@gatetheatre.co.uk>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at the GATE THEATRE, LONDON


> Dear all
> 
> Michael suggested I subscribe to this list as I'm producing HAIR at the
> Gate Theatre, London. The show, directed by Daniel Kramer (Through the
> Leaves, with Simon Callow and Ann Mitchell) and with musical supervision
> by Stephen Brooker (Woman in White, My Fair Lady), will open in
> September 2005.
> 
> This is the first ever musical the Gate has produced, and we'd so value
> your insight and support. As a 70-seat off-West End theatre, we are
> (pardon the pun) excited to take HAIR back to its roots - the Gate
> Theatre auditorium is an average 60 square meters; the show will have 65
> seats. 
> 
> If you're interested in hearing more about the production, don't
> hesitate to email me directly at tali@gatetheatre.co.uk.
> Looking forward to hearing from you. 
> 
> All best wishes
> 
> Tali Pelman
> Producer
>  
> The Gate Theatre
> 11 Pembridge Road
> London W11 3HQ
> 020 7229 5387
> www.gatetheatre.co.uk
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
> [mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
> Sent: 06 June 2005 17:40
> To: HAIR List
> Cc: Rusty Holzer; Robert Emmer; Ken Myers
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Overture, Hit the Lights...
> 
> Jim,
> Thanks for sending this.
> Michael
> 
> > 
> > Here's why a Broadway show COULD run for two years, successfully--
> > 
> > And never make its money back.
> > 
> > Let's say you have a musical capitalized at eight milion dollars.
> That's
> > about moderate for nowadays. (LITTLE WOMEN was brought in for about
> $5.8
> > million, a bigger musial, could cost, say, abouit twelve million, or
> way
> > upwards....)
> > 
> > The "capitalization" is just the amount it takes you to get to OPENING
> > NIGHT.
> > 
> > (Although, the wise producer will have stored within that buget, a
> > four-to-eight week contingency, to cover one-to-two months of poor, or
> > slow, ticket sales...)
> > 
> > Let's now say, your WEEKLY RUNNIN COSTS are $400,000.
> > 
> > The four hundred grand is what it costs you to rent your theatre, pay
> > your actors, your musicians, your tech crew, your union fees, your
> > advertising, your royalties...
> > 
> > You have to MAKE $40,000 in ticket sales, before ever making a
> "weekly"
> > profit--
> > 
> > Which goes to paying off the original eight million dollars.
> > 
> > 
> > Let's say you're selling 80% of your tickets, in an average one
> thousand
> > seat Broadway house.
> > 
> > 80% would be terrific nowadays.
> > 
> > At an average of $70.00 a ticket--which would be pretty good, bcause
> it
> > doesn't take into account the discountd. special advance ticket sales
> > you've generated with special mailings and other promotions--
> > 
> > You're making about $56,000 a performance.
> > 
> > Or,  $448,000, a week.
> > 
> > YOU ARE ONLY GETTING $48,000 a week towards your original
> invesment--or
> > rather, you backers' invesment--of the show's actual budget, $8
> million
> > dollars....
> > 
> > After a year, you'd still be about five-and-a-half million in the
> hole.
> > 
> > With a relative hit show.
> > 
> > It could take you three-plus years just to BREAK EVEN.
> > 
> > To be sure, the lead producer, or producers, would also be generating
> > money off tours, and ancillary sales....
> > 
> > But just a quick ilustration, in why Broadway has become an even
> tougher
> > business...
> > 
> > Best, Jim Burns
> > 
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  6 14:49:15 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Mon Jun  6 00:56:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at the GATE THEATRE, LONDON
In-Reply-To: <001301c56abc$fff947d0$1200000a@gatetheatre.local>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F27748D7CC1EE04D434DCD3B2FB0@phx.gbl>

Hi Tali, and welcome! We would love to hear more about your production here. 
Write and tell us of your progress. Post your questions and we will do our 
best to answer them.

Send me the exact specifics of your production (either here on the list or 
to dayton3@rcn.com) and I will put it up on the Archives web site in the 
Current Productions section.

Again, welcome. We look forward to hearinf more from you.
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: "Tali" <tali@gatetheatre.co.uk>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at the GATE THEATRE, LONDON
>Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:27:19 +0100
>
>Dear all
>
>Michael suggested I subscribe to this list as I'm producing HAIR at the
>Gate Theatre, London. The show, directed by Daniel Kramer (Through the
>Leaves, with Simon Callow and Ann Mitchell) and with musical supervision
>by Stephen Brooker (Woman in White, My Fair Lady), will open in
>September 2005.
>
>This is the first ever musical the Gate has produced, and we'd so value
>your insight and support. As a 70-seat off-West End theatre, we are
>(pardon the pun) excited to take HAIR back to its roots - the Gate
>Theatre auditorium is an average 60 square meters; the show will have 65
>seats.
>
>If you're interested in hearing more about the production, don't
>hesitate to email me directly at tali@gatetheatre.co.uk.
>Looking forward to hearing from you.
>
>All best wishes
>
>Tali Pelman
>Producer
>
>The Gate Theatre
>11 Pembridge Road
>London W11 3HQ
>020 7229 5387
>www.gatetheatre.co.uk


From jameshburns at webtv.net  Tue Jun  7 02:21:35 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Mon Jun  6 12:28:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] More Broadway, (Baby)...
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Mon, 6 Jun 2005
	12:00:09 -0700
Message-ID: <27707-42A5671F-3355@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>


Now, not to correct you...

:-)

But I may have hit the wrong key. LITTLE WOMEN may have been brought in
for LESS than 5.8 million...

And WICKED is one of the INCREDIBLE sucess stories--

GROSSING almost ONE-AND-A-QUARTER-MILLION DOLLARS--


 A week.


The show is a cash machine, made all the more remarkable, because, flaws
and all--it's a bit uneven, occasonally slow--at its heart, it's about
intolerance--

And the power of love.

And taking truth, to power...


And, it's one of he few shows on Broadway over in the massive, 1600-plus
seat Gershwin), that FEELS like a Broadway show...


(Actually, to me, the most remarkable Broadway success story of the
moment, is PHANTOM OF THE OPERA. Revitalized by the movie, the Broadway
show has been back to selling over NINETY PERCENT OF ITS TICKETS, for
months--after running for about seventeen years.

(A film version of a Broadway show, as many of you here, know, used to
mark the end of a long-time hit's main-stem reign.


(But CHICAGO has changed that paradigm.


(The unique element to the PHANTOM movie is that it's NOT a good
adaptation of the play. I had even wondered if it would hurt folks'
interest in the various stage PHANTOMS, around the country.


(But I've run into so many tourists, and native New Yorkers in the hours
after final curtain, around Broadway, who were finally driven to see
PHANTOM, live at the Majestic, BECAUSE they had loved the movie.


(The film clearly worked, for thoe wo had never seen the play.)  


(Not unlike the HAIR movie, come to think of it... I've always consided
it a travesty. MANY long-time HAIR fans, though, got their fist exposure
to HAIR, of course, from the Milos-mash...)


To the other:


I've been thinking A LOT, lately, about aternative venues for staging
theatrial events.  But, the truth is, MANY of the great ballrooms, are
long gone.

And those that exist, are oten priced as high as their theatrical
equivalents. 

(Quick aside, for tourists and natives alike: it can be great fun to
walk through the handful of old New York hotels, that still maintain
their 1930s-era ballrooms, and lobbies.  Much like so much of the better
heart of Manhattan, you can feel the past...)

But there are some interesting possbilities, out there, for presenting
events...


But remember, venues aside, when doing a play, ultimately, you will
likely be dealing with unions. The're NOT your natural enemy. They've
generally had to raise their prices to deal with the economic realities
faced by their own membership.

While there are theatrical horror stories of personages as esteemed as
Harold Prince not being able to get concessions, from some of the
unions--

It is not impossible to regard the unions as your PARTNER in trying to
achieve something of value.


Virtually everyone on Broadway, and off, would rather be involved with
something, good.


And, as it's early in the morning, this gentleman of Broadway, must be
saying,


'Good night.


;-)


Jim Burns

From brittannic1916 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  6 15:27:18 2005
From: brittannic1916 at hotmail.com (Michael Ramirez)
Date: Mon Jun  6 14:04:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Mexican Cast Album
Message-ID: <BAY103-F2224AA90B103417F4DA8CED2FB0@phx.gbl>

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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Jun  6 15:14:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] More Broadway, (Baby)...
References: <27707-42A5671F-3355@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <00a201c56b59$87e4b020$6e436c42@hotprojects>

the ballrooms etc are not long gone
just forgotten
not as gone as you think
and youre not correcting me were having interchange its great
what part of the country are you in
are you in nyc like me?
this is great to go back and forth
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 5:21 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] More Broadway, (Baby)...


> 
> Now, not to correct you...
> 
> :-)
> 
> But I may have hit the wrong key. LITTLE WOMEN may have been brought in
> for LESS than 5.8 million...
> 
> And WICKED is one of the INCREDIBLE sucess stories--
> 
> GROSSING almost ONE-AND-A-QUARTER-MILLION DOLLARS--
> 
> 
>  A week.
> 
> 
> The show is a cash machine, made all the more remarkable, because, flaws
> and all--it's a bit uneven, occasonally slow--at its heart, it's about
> intolerance--
> 
> And the power of love.
> 
> And taking truth, to power...
> 
> 
> And, it's one of he few shows on Broadway over in the massive, 1600-plus
> seat Gershwin), that FEELS like a Broadway show...
> 
> 
> (Actually, to me, the most remarkable Broadway success story of the
> moment, is PHANTOM OF THE OPERA. Revitalized by the movie, the Broadway
> show has been back to selling over NINETY PERCENT OF ITS TICKETS, for
> months--after running for about seventeen years.
> 
> (A film version of a Broadway show, as many of you here, know, used to
> mark the end of a long-time hit's main-stem reign.
> 
> 
> (But CHICAGO has changed that paradigm.
> 
> 
> (The unique element to the PHANTOM movie is that it's NOT a good
> adaptation of the play. I had even wondered if it would hurt folks'
> interest in the various stage PHANTOMS, around the country.
> 
> 
> (But I've run into so many tourists, and native New Yorkers in the hours
> after final curtain, around Broadway, who were finally driven to see
> PHANTOM, live at the Majestic, BECAUSE they had loved the movie.
> 
> 
> (The film clearly worked, for thoe wo had never seen the play.)  
> 
> 
> (Not unlike the HAIR movie, come to think of it... I've always consided
> it a travesty. MANY long-time HAIR fans, though, got their fist exposure
> to HAIR, of course, from the Milos-mash...)
> 
> 
> To the other:
> 
> 
> I've been thinking A LOT, lately, about aternative venues for staging
> theatrial events.  But, the truth is, MANY of the great ballrooms, are
> long gone.
> 
> And those that exist, are oten priced as high as their theatrical
> equivalents. 
> 
> (Quick aside, for tourists and natives alike: it can be great fun to
> walk through the handful of old New York hotels, that still maintain
> their 1930s-era ballrooms, and lobbies.  Much like so much of the better
> heart of Manhattan, you can feel the past...)
> 
> But there are some interesting possbilities, out there, for presenting
> events...
> 
> 
> But remember, venues aside, when doing a play, ultimately, you will
> likely be dealing with unions. The're NOT your natural enemy. They've
> generally had to raise their prices to deal with the economic realities
> faced by their own membership.
> 
> While there are theatrical horror stories of personages as esteemed as
> Harold Prince not being able to get concessions, from some of the
> unions--
> 
> It is not impossible to regard the unions as your PARTNER in trying to
> achieve something of value.
> 
> 
> Virtually everyone on Broadway, and off, would rather be involved with
> something, good.
> 
> 
> And, as it's early in the morning, this gentleman of Broadway, must be
> saying,
> 
> 
> 'Good night.
> 
> 
> ;-)
> 
> 
> Jim Burns
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Jun  7 05:10:10 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Jun  6 15:17:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Mexican Cast Album
References: <BAY103-F2224AA90B103417F4DA8CED2FB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00f101c56b59$da46edb0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

try amazon and barnes and noble
also go to jimmy rados hair website


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Ramirez 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:27 PM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Mexican Cast Album


  I was wondering if anyone here knew where to obtain a copy of the mexican cast album.  Also, if anyone here has a copy could they give a review of it?


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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Tue Jun  7 06:16:18 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Dauber)
Date: Mon Jun  6 15:22:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mexican Cast Album
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F2224AA90B103417F4DA8CED2FB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <339918c038d.4ad79c7c@outgoing.verizon.net>

On 06/06/2005, Michael Ramirez wrote:

>>I was wondering if anyone
>>here knew where to obtain a copy of the mexican cast album.&nbsp; Also,
> if anyone here has a copy could they give a review of
> it?

I got mine on CD from:

http://www.orfeoncataloghouse.com.mx/english/producto.asp?cve_orfeon=JC2D-11911

I haven't listened to it in quite some time, though. It's quite exhaustive
-- two CDs (I believe the original release was 3 records) with songs AND
dialog. It's an interesting performance...just to give you an idea, the
dialog does include the pseudoword "Spanglish". :)

--
dauber@banana-and-louie.org
 * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Jun  7 05:20:20 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Jun  6 15:27:16 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] More Broadway, (Baby)...
References: <27707-42A5671F-3355@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>
	<00a201c56b59$87e4b020$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <002201c56b5b$45e48f90$6e436c42@hotprojects>

hal prince also is in a sense of the old guard
those of us who are younger have bent the unions etc
also prince resources does not have the pressing need
for structural innovation

but yeah one can get around the unions very much
i dont know; the guilds are better
eg the dramatists guild, the wga , the ssdc
equity is in parts a bitch
the only union that prevents their actors from working
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] More Broadway, (Baby)...


> the ballrooms etc are not long gone
> just forgotten
> not as gone as you think
> and youre not correcting me were having interchange its great
> what part of the country are you in
> are you in nyc like me?
> this is great to go back and forth
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 5:21 AM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] More Broadway, (Baby)...
>
>
> >
> > Now, not to correct you...
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > But I may have hit the wrong key. LITTLE WOMEN may have been brought in
> > for LESS than 5.8 million...
> >
> > And WICKED is one of the INCREDIBLE sucess stories--
> >
> > GROSSING almost ONE-AND-A-QUARTER-MILLION DOLLARS--
> >
> >
> >  A week.
> >
> >
> > The show is a cash machine, made all the more remarkable, because, flaws
> > and all--it's a bit uneven, occasonally slow--at its heart, it's about
> > intolerance--
> >
> > And the power of love.
> >
> > And taking truth, to power...
> >
> >
> > And, it's one of he few shows on Broadway over in the massive, 1600-plus
> > seat Gershwin), that FEELS like a Broadway show...
> >
> >
> > (Actually, to me, the most remarkable Broadway success story of the
> > moment, is PHANTOM OF THE OPERA. Revitalized by the movie, the Broadway
> > show has been back to selling over NINETY PERCENT OF ITS TICKETS, for
> > months--after running for about seventeen years.
> >
> > (A film version of a Broadway show, as many of you here, know, used to
> > mark the end of a long-time hit's main-stem reign.
> >
> >
> > (But CHICAGO has changed that paradigm.
> >
> >
> > (The unique element to the PHANTOM movie is that it's NOT a good
> > adaptation of the play. I had even wondered if it would hurt folks'
> > interest in the various stage PHANTOMS, around the country.
> >
> >
> > (But I've run into so many tourists, and native New Yorkers in the hours
> > after final curtain, around Broadway, who were finally driven to see
> > PHANTOM, live at the Majestic, BECAUSE they had loved the movie.
> >
> >
> > (The film clearly worked, for thoe wo had never seen the play.)
> >
> >
> > (Not unlike the HAIR movie, come to think of it... I've always consided
> > it a travesty. MANY long-time HAIR fans, though, got their fist exposure
> > to HAIR, of course, from the Milos-mash...)
> >
> >
> > To the other:
> >
> >
> > I've been thinking A LOT, lately, about aternative venues for staging
> > theatrial events.  But, the truth is, MANY of the great ballrooms, are
> > long gone.
> >
> > And those that exist, are oten priced as high as their theatrical
> > equivalents.
> >
> > (Quick aside, for tourists and natives alike: it can be great fun to
> > walk through the handful of old New York hotels, that still maintain
> > their 1930s-era ballrooms, and lobbies.  Much like so much of the better
> > heart of Manhattan, you can feel the past...)
> >
> > But there are some interesting possbilities, out there, for presenting
> > events...
> >
> >
> > But remember, venues aside, when doing a play, ultimately, you will
> > likely be dealing with unions. The're NOT your natural enemy. They've
> > generally had to raise their prices to deal with the economic realities
> > faced by their own membership.
> >
> > While there are theatrical horror stories of personages as esteemed as
> > Harold Prince not being able to get concessions, from some of the
> > unions--
> >
> > It is not impossible to regard the unions as your PARTNER in trying to
> > achieve something of value.
> >
> >
> > Virtually everyone on Broadway, and off, would rather be involved with
> > something, good.
> >
> >
> > And, as it's early in the morning, this gentleman of Broadway, must be
> > saying,
> >
> >
> > 'Good night.
> >
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> >
> > Jim Burns
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Jun  7 05:24:17 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Jun  6 15:31:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mexican Cast Album
References: <339918c038d.4ad79c7c@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000901c56b5b$d34ea5f0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

also i just remembered
putting together a package for mexico that never came off a few months ago
hair was shut down and closed in mexico
they basically ran them out of town on a rail
so there may or may not be a recoding
i know when enquiring about doing hair in mexico in the last few months
given the whole catholic orientation etc
that at least a few months ago
hair was not doable in mexico
eg one could get imprisoned etc
or so it was portrayed to me by the local government
emanating out of mexicali

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dauber" <dauber@banana-and-louie.org>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mexican Cast Album


> On 06/06/2005, Michael Ramirez wrote:
>
> >>I was wondering if anyone
> >>here knew where to obtain a copy of the mexican cast album.&nbsp; Also,
> > if anyone here has a copy could they give a review of
> > it?
>
> I got mine on CD from:
>
>
http://www.orfeoncataloghouse.com.mx/english/producto.asp?cve_orfeon=JC2D-11911
>
> I haven't listened to it in quite some time, though. It's quite exhaustive
> -- two CDs (I believe the original release was 3 records) with songs AND
> dialog. It's an interesting performance...just to give you an idea, the
> dialog does include the pseudoword "Spanglish". :)
>
> --
> dauber@banana-and-louie.org
>  * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  7 06:17:25 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Mon Jun  6 16:27:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mexican Cast Album
In-Reply-To: <000901c56b5b$d34ea5f0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F195CBC62F8FCA54FE85A8DB2FA0@phx.gbl>

There is indeed a Mexican cast album of Hair, and it is as Dauber describes. 
The link he sent was the only place I was aware of it's being available 
currently. Our own Corinne Broskette plays Sheila on it.

Yes, Hair in Mexico was shut down by the authorities, and the company 
escorted out of town. Several articles about it in the articles section of 
the Archives web site. We also have Corinne's recollections in the Voices of 
the Tribe project. OK with you if I post them here, Corinne?

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From dagmarfotoremove at flash.net  Tue Jun  7 11:21:43 2005
From: dagmarfotoremove at flash.net (dagmarfotoremove@flash.net)
Date: Mon Jun  6 23:27:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Thought you might enjoy this...
Message-ID: <01bd01c56b8d$c1d46490$8311a8c0@hollywood.com>

re: Mexican HAIR CAST Album: 
found this itrem on the Broadway.com website


../gen/buzz_story.aspx?CI=506653

From brittannic1916 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  7 11:41:43 2005
From: brittannic1916 at hotmail.com (Michael Ramirez)
Date: Mon Jun  6 23:27:25 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] New Hair CD
Message-ID: <BAY103-F24F33B7F202A94E7B5D2C5D2FA0@phx.gbl>

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From bgonzal at rci.rutgers.edu  Tue Jun  7 13:54:49 2005
From: bgonzal at rci.rutgers.edu (Wm-A Gonzalez)
Date: Tue Jun  7 00:01:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] New Hair CD
References: <BAY103-F24F33B7F202A94E7B5D2C5D2FA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012b01c56ba3$24ecff00$edde0680@Romano>

This is the Actor's Fund Concert recording?  I have it already, as it was available for preorder a while ago.

Some of the performances are great.  I love Jennifer Hudson's rendition of Easy to be Hard (transcending Cheryl Barnes) and also Harvey Fierstein's Air.  It is well recorded, and showcases some great talent.

I did not, however, like the new arrangements/orchestrations, which are similar to the film versions.  Also, in many cases, the new/updated lyrics are used. Hippie Life is also included.  Overall, I enjoyed the recording, and proceeds from it go to a good cause, so I'd recommend it for HAIR fans.

I still think that the definitive complete recording, with the original arrangements, has yet to be made.  The OBC comes close, and the Mexican Cast gets credit for being almost complete.  Supposedly Jay Records recorded one a few years ago, but it doesn't look like it will ever get released.

-Bil Gonzalez
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Ramirez 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:41 PM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] New Hair CD


  I heard that the new Hair CD is coming out! I'm really excited. Does anyone know much about this new CD?
  The release date is the fourteenth, and you can buy it at Best Buy and Fye, as far as I know.


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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Tue Jun  7 13:56:51 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Tue Jun  7 00:03:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The cast recording Michael just posted about...
Message-ID: <20050607135651.mj8jkqlbt0cg4csc@208.179.130.20>

Okay...I did a little bit of investigation...if what I'm reading is 
correct, the
"cast recording" coming out next Tuesday at Best Buy et al isn't a cast
recording at all, but a CD of the Actor's Fund of America concert of Hair. I'm
debating whether to get it...my collection is of true cast recordings, but Jai
Rodriguez is on it! (I'm a big fan of Queery Eye...although I'd never want to
go through it myself, despite my wife's semi-encouragement -- I'm afraid Thom
will make me get furniture from Pottery Barn! 8) )
From brittannic1916 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  7 16:12:15 2005
From: brittannic1916 at hotmail.com (Michael Ramirez)
Date: Tue Jun  7 02:21:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Strange Hair CD
Message-ID: <BAY103-F12A0EECD28127457F89C00D2FA0@phx.gbl>

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Jun  7 18:40:43 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Jun  7 14:02:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Sultan of Brunei
In-Reply-To: <20050607185425.80115.qmail@web81701.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BECB9ABB.206C9%michael@michaelbutler.com>

No, I had not seen this.
My last experience with him was umpiring a charity polo game at Cirencester.
The Sultan's team was opposed by that of Prince Charles.
I was advised that if I called on PC's team I probably would be sent to the
Tower. If called on the Sultan's team I would be named in a 'fatwa'.
As I did not call on either team I am still around.
Rich, He is beyond rich.
Michael
 
------ Forwarded Message
From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:54:25 -0700 (PDT)
To: "G. Cooper" <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Sultan of Brunei

 Private Airplane
 
 You may have already seen this, it's amazing!
 
 The Sultan of Brunei's Private Airplane
Think of this the next time you fill up with gas
This aircraft was "remodeled" in Waco.  Yes, the sinks
are solid gold and one of them is Lalique crystal.
The Sultan bought the aircraft for roughly $100M; had
it flown to Waco, brand-new,  had the interior
completely removed; and had the folks at E-Systems
(now Raytheon) install $120M worth of improvements
inside and outside.
 
I've gained entrance to nuclear weapons storage areas
much easier than gaining entrance to see this
airplane.  While there it struck me: maybe the rich
really are different than the rest of us!

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From venuetheatre at juno.com  Tue Jun  7 20:27:15 2005
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (venuetheatre@juno.com)
Date: Tue Jun  7 14:02:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Help Save Africa
Message-ID: <200506071355.j57DtETp014767@dune.islandtechnologies.net>

Please go to this website and sign the petition to send funds to African
people

$16 supports a child in school for a year
$10 gives aids medicine for 6 months

http://www.bread.org/one.htm

What is the ONE Campaign? 
The ONE Campaign is for people like you who care and want to know simple
things you can do to help. ONE is a new effort by Americans to rally
Americans ? ONE by ONE ? to fight the emergency of global AIDS, extreme
poverty and chronic hunger. The ONE Campaign is engaging Americans across
the nation ? in churches and businesses, online and on college campuses,
at community meetings and concerts. ONE is showing people the steps they
can take to fight global AIDS, hunger and poverty.
Each ONE of us can make a difference.
Together as ONE we can change the world.

We?re not asking for your money. We?re asking for your voice. 
 Thanks
Corinne


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
Venue Theatre is a not for profit 501(c)(3) Corporation.  Our office is
located at  5124 Ninth Avenue N, St Petersburg, FL 33710.  Please send
all mail to the office.
The Studio is at 9125 US 19 N, Pinellas Park (at Mainlands Blvd.)
727-822-6194  cell  727-656-8525


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
Venue Theatre is a not for profit 501(c)(3) Corporation.  Our office is
located at  5124 Ninth Avenue N, St Petersburg, FL 33710.  Please send
all mail to the office.
The Studio is at 9125 US 19 N, Pinellas Park (at Mainlands Blvd.)
727-822-6194  cell  727-656-8525
From jameshburns at webtv.net  Wed Jun  8 04:10:51 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Tue Jun  7 14:17:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] And, Sultan Stuff...
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Tue, 7 Jun 2005
	14:03:00 -0700
Message-ID: <7471-42A6D23B-229@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>


One of the many great unreported scandals of Brunei, and those other
brothers of Arabia...

...Imported in abundance, not to menton a plethora, of American girls,
to serve as party girls...

Not all, far from all, were hookers.

Many were actresses, and singers, suddely in in an untenable, and
indefensible, situation.

But, I digress...

From venuetheatre at juno.com  Wed Jun  8 05:23:40 2005
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (venuetheatre@juno.com)
Date: Tue Jun  7 17:07:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mexico Cast Album
Message-ID: <20050608.082459.1888.0.venuetheatre@juno.com>

Yes, there was that overly done album, 3 vinyl, which had two pressings. 
The original with no photos in the center, the second with color photos
and articles of the expulsion of the cast.  It was mostly because of the
Americans in the cast, but we were not the only ones arrested.  Everyone
went into hiding.  Luckily Gerry, Jim and Danny Hurd (our Musical
Director) were not arrested, but they did join us in exile, while the
producers tried to get the show back up.

I don't know the climate in Mexico now, but  it would be interesting to
try to mount the show there again to see if history would repeat itself.

Yes, there was a link for the Album at one time through Orfeon records,
however I cannot imagine that many survived as not that many were
pressed.

I have  two copies (one of each).  No they are not for sale, however I
would be interested in knowing how much they are worth.

Actually, I am most proud of "What a Piece of Work is Man."  Shows off my
operatic background. LOL

Corinne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
Venue Theatre is a not for profit 501(c)(3) Corporation.  Our office is
located at  5124 Ninth Avenue N, St Petersburg, FL 33710.  Please send
all mail to the office.
The Studio is at 9125 US 19 N, Pinellas Park (at Mainlands Blvd.)
727-822-6194  cell  727-656-8525
From akstudio at flash.net  Tue Jun  7 22:48:57 2005
From: akstudio at flash.net (DAGMAR & ANTON)
Date: Tue Jun  7 18:58:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] quotes...
Message-ID: <200506080158.j581wk9c016117@dune.islandtechnologies.net>

xx
 Dagmar

--- Skyelav@aol.com wrote:
 
>       "This is an impressive crowd, the haves and
> the have-mores. 
> Some people call you the elite. 
> I call you my base.
> George W Bush 
> Al Smith Memorial Dinner in New York 
> October 19, 2000
> 
> 
> 'You can fool some of the people all of the time,
> and those are the ones you 
> want to concentrate on."  George W. Bush, Washington
> Gridiron Club, March, 
> 2001
> 
> 
> 


The "ELVIS! by Dagmar "Book (and a sampling of R'n'R photos) can be seen here: http://www.dagmarfoto.com

Come visit Atelier Anton Krajnc in Cyberspace: http://www.AntonKrajnc.com
From michael at intrafi.com  Wed Jun  8 11:47:34 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Tue Jun  7 21:54:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Turning Up the Sleaze
Message-ID: <20050608184734.56987B8083@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



-------------------------------------
Turning Up the Sleaze
http://www.alternet.org/story/22180

Government is fast becoming a transactional institution as money becomes more and more influential in politics.  
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From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  8 13:57:35 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Wed Jun  8 00:04:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The cast recording Michael just posted about...
In-Reply-To: <20050607135651.mj8jkqlbt0cg4csc@208.179.130.20>
Message-ID: <20050608205735.96088.qmail@web50301.mail.yahoo.com>

An FYI:If you are a rabid collector of Hair recordings then buy this one,You get to hear
Harvey Fierstein "sing" Air and Ru Paul sing My Conviction.Or if you were there as I was
you'd want it.Mostly the arrangements were from the movie.It was largely un-inspired but
fun all the same.I'll let you burn a copy off of mine.XOX M

- 

> Okay...I did a little bit of investigation... 

Michael David Arian 
michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com
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From eyster at verizon.net  Wed Jun  8 23:06:19 2005
From: eyster at verizon.net (Bruce Eyster)
Date: Wed Jun  8 14:02:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The cast recording Michael just posted about...
In-Reply-To: <20050608205735.96088.qmail@web50301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9925799C-D8AC-11D9-BFBC-00039352B692@verizon.net>

Hey Michael:
    Cool , is that an open offer?
                   Bruce

  
           
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> An FYI:If you are a rabid collector of Hair recordings then buy this 
> one,You get to hear
> Harvey Fierstein "sing" Air and Ru Paul sing My Conviction.Or if you 
> were there as I was
> you'd want it.Mostly the arrangements were from the movie.It was 
> largely un-inspired but
> fun all the same.I'll let you burn a copy off of mine.XOX M
>
> -
>
>> Okay...I did a little bit of investigation...
>
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> michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com
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>
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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Thu Jun  9 08:25:22 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Wed Jun  8 18:53:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] New Hair CD
Message-ID: <009701c56d07$ab4fa790$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

I second your e-motion, Bil.  It's a worthwhile listen and a worthwhile addition to one's HAIR library.  Here's what I recently wrote to Dauber about it:

It's pretty good -- well, powerful enough that you wouldn't complain about seeing/hearing such a cast live, but, you know, you and I would probably direct a few of the songs differently.  But a couple of songs nailed it.  "Frank Mills" was a sweet as it should be.  "What a Piece of Work Is Man" was similarly sincerely done.  And, yeah, they rocked when they went from whispering to singing "Prisoners in Niggertown."

Like I said, there's stuff we might have done differently (or we might have picked a different singer), but, all in all, it's worth having in your HAIR collection.  

--tioga
==========================================
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 16:54:49 -0400
From: "Wm-A Gonzalez" <bgonzal@rci.rutgers.edu>

This is the Actor's Fund Concert recording?  I have it already, as it was available for preorder a while ago.

Some of the performances are great.  I love Jennifer Hudson's rendition of Easy to be Hard (transcending Cheryl Barnes) and also Harvey Fierstein's Air.  It is well recorded, and showcases some great talent.

I did not, however, like the new arrangements/orchestrations, which are similar to the film versions.  Also, in many cases, the new/updated lyrics are used. Hippie Life is also included.  Overall, I enjoyed the recording, and proceeds from it go to a good cause, so I'd recommend it for HAIR fans.

I still think that the definitive complete recording, with the original arrangements, has yet to be made.  The OBC comes close, and the Mexican Cast gets credit for being almost complete.  Supposedly Jay Records recorded one a few years ago, but it doesn't look like it will ever get released.

-Bil Gonzalez

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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Thu Jun  9 08:32:20 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Wed Jun  8 18:58:44 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The cast recording Michael just posted about...
Message-ID: <00a201c56d08$79ffcb60$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Yeah, Jai sings (you guessed it) "Sodomy."  I'd like to have seen that performance live.  And when Harvey Fierstein sings "Air," it's easy to imagine what breathing bad air can do to one's voice!  Anyway, Sean, I'll drop my copy off for you to give a listen to (and anything else you might like to do with it).

tioga

==========================

Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 13:56:51 -0700
From: Sean Courtney <dauber@banana-and-louie.org>

Okay...I did a little bit of investigation...if what I'm reading is 
correct, the
"cast recording" coming out next Tuesday at Best Buy et al isn't a cast
recording at all, but a CD of the Actor's Fund of America concert of Hair. I'm
debating whether to get it...my collection is of true cast recordings, but Jai
Rodriguez is on it! (I'm a big fan of Queery Eye...although I'd never want to
go through it myself, despite my wife's semi-encouragement -- I'm afraid Thom
will make me get furniture from Pottery Barn! 8) )



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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Jun  9 08:59:38 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Jun  8 19:06:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Broadcast TV on life support
Message-ID: <BECDB57A.207DD%michael@michaelbutler.com>


 
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>By Thomas W. Hazlett
>Published: June 2 2005 17:17 | Last updated: June 2 2005 17:17
>>

Broadcast television is fading into oblivion. Just two web sites, Google and
Yahoo!, now account for more advertising revenues than do the prime time
schedules of the three traditional television networks - ABC, CBS, and NBC -
combined. In contrast to the explosion in e-commerce, broadcast TV viewers
are fleeing to cable programming, which now easily beats broadcast TV in the
ratings. And those left to watch broadcast programs don?t stick around for
the commercials. Remote controls, VCRs, and the growing popularity of
personal digital recorders are rendering the 60-second TV spot a quaint
black and white video clip.

In some ways, however, the dinosaurs of the early TV era are remarkable for
their longevity. The network Big Three dominated an earlier time under rules
crafted by the US federal government in 1952. By perversely applying a
doctrine of ?localism,? Federal Communications Commission regulators ended
up killing a fledgling fourth network then operating - DuMont - and
precluded new competition for decades. This was achieved via spectrum
policy, denying entrants the licenses they needed to compete.

This audaciously anti-competitive gambit was couched in the language of high
principle. Excluding all but a few was said to serve the ?public interest,?
providing not only for ?localism? but for ?fairness? and ?educational?
programs, to boot. Even as FCC regulators railed famously against the ?vast
wasteland? that their cosy network triopoly had wrought, as did FCC chairman
Newton Minow in a 1961 speech, the Commission moved to block alternative
media providing higher quality programs and a broader range of consumer
choice. Minow?s FCC moved to suppress the emergence of cable TV, which
regulators declared could never be more than a niche fill-in for
broadcasting. ?Educational? goals were threatened, it determined, if cable
?siphoned? viewers.

But consumers wanted more video programmes, and entrepreneurs sought
innovative ways to deliver them. Cable TV ? ?spectrum in a tube? ? was a
regulatory bypass, recreating the transmission capacity FCC policies denied.
It too was blocked by FCC barriers; when it won deregulation in the late
1970s, new programmes were soon unleashed, and most US households subscribed
by 1988. By then, CNN had achieved the impossible: in just seven years, it
had become a profitable, mass market, 24/7 all-news network ? just what
regulators had declared impractical and virtually illegal. Liberalising US
TV rules literally changed the world. When, in 1991, CNN cameras captured
Boris Yeltsin jumping on a Soviet tank, an empire was toppled ? and a ?vast
wasteland? buried.

But the first generation cable success of CNN was not an equilibrium. New
rivalry came, once more, in the form of new spectrum. Digital satellite TV
systems launched by DirecTV in 1994 and EchoStar in 1996 were greeted as the
?death star? by cable incumbents, as they beamed 200-channel video bundles
to subscribers. Cable, scrambling to respond,spent $80bn to upgrade their
systems. The unregulated capacity competition triggered a new content boom.

One upstart to gain carriage in 1996 was the Fox News Channel. It made an
overt ideological appeal with its ?Fair and Balanced? slogan, hitting CNN
and the broadcast networks as slanted left. In contrast to news shows that
interviewed Ralph Nader activists as default experts, FNC featured talking
heads from the (Republican) Heritage Foundation. Critics cried foul,
portraying the new channel as a right-wing front ? further advancing Fox
News as ?fair and balanced? and attacked by elite purveyors of opinion.

Fox News now garners more than the combined audience size of CNN and its
sister network, Headline News. But FNC (owned by Rupert Murdoch?s News Corp)
receives only 25 cents per month for the average subscriber in homes it
serves (about 80m), below the 40 cents paid for the CNN/HN tandem. In new
carriage agreements, Fox is reportedly asking for at least 50 cents. This
shows a stunning turnaround: Just nine years ago, Fox News paid cable
systems over $300m in aggregate (or $12 per new subscriber) to gain initial
carriage. ?Fair and balanced? had to pay to play.

The gold discovered in these hills is prompting innovative counter measures
from both established networks and entrants such as the network headed by
former vice president Al Gore. The battlefield extends to radio, where the
meteoric rise of conservative talk shows (following the abolition of the
Fairness Doctrine in 1987) has triggered counter-counter liberal talk, in
the form of Al Franken?s Air America.

Today?s markets deliver diverse choices far beyond what the ?public
interest? in broadcasting delivered. With the transition to the
post-broadcasting television world ninety-percent complete, courtesy of
households paying for cable and satellite delivery, it is time cancel the
1952 TV Allocation Table ? the longest run ratings bomb in US TV history. If
station licensees were given the right to use allotted frequencies for their
highest and best use, over-the-air broadcasting would quickly migrate to
more efficient platforms, and TV band frequencies would be redeployed for
mobile telephony and broadband ? wireless services customers yearn to enjoy
and are willing to pay for. Once the radio spectrum is made available for
productive use by market competitors, additional generations of innovative
video content ? and free speech - are yet before us.

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Jun  9 09:15:06 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Jun  8 19:22:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] YOU SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!!
References: <BECDB57A.207DD%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c56d0e$66634a40$6e436c42@hotprojects>

OH GOD I SAW MICHAELS NAME AND THE WORDS ON LIFE SUPPORT
OH THANK GOD OH BLESS JESUS ALL RIGHT
IM GOING BACK TO WORK
LOVE YOU GUYS
YOU SCARED THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!!!
( its just me and my old blind eyes sorry nevermind ) lol
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "Civic" <mb-civic@islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
<mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Broadcast TV on life support


>
>
> FT.com
>
> Click Here to Print
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>
> Thomas W. Hazlett: Broadcast TV on life support
> >By Thomas W. Hazlett
> >Published: June 2 2005 17:17 | Last updated: June 2 2005 17:17
> >>
>
> Broadcast television is fading into oblivion. Just two web sites, Google
and
> Yahoo!, now account for more advertising revenues than do the prime time
> schedules of the three traditional television networks - ABC, CBS, and
NBC -
> combined. In contrast to the explosion in e-commerce, broadcast TV viewers
> are fleeing to cable programming, which now easily beats broadcast TV in
the
> ratings. And those left to watch broadcast programs don?t stick around for
> the commercials. Remote controls, VCRs, and the growing popularity of
> personal digital recorders are rendering the 60-second TV spot a quaint
> black and white video clip.
>
> In some ways, however, the dinosaurs of the early TV era are remarkable
for
> their longevity. The network Big Three dominated an earlier time under
rules
> crafted by the US federal government in 1952. By perversely applying a
> doctrine of ?localism,? Federal Communications Commission regulators ended
> up killing a fledgling fourth network then operating - DuMont - and
> precluded new competition for decades. This was achieved via spectrum
> policy, denying entrants the licenses they needed to compete.
>
> This audaciously anti-competitive gambit was couched in the language of
high
> principle. Excluding all but a few was said to serve the ?public
interest,?
> providing not only for ?localism? but for ?fairness? and ?educational?
> programs, to boot. Even as FCC regulators railed famously against the
?vast
> wasteland? that their cosy network triopoly had wrought, as did FCC
chairman
> Newton Minow in a 1961 speech, the Commission moved to block alternative
> media providing higher quality programs and a broader range of consumer
> choice. Minow?s FCC moved to suppress the emergence of cable TV, which
> regulators declared could never be more than a niche fill-in for
> broadcasting. ?Educational? goals were threatened, it determined, if cable
> ?siphoned? viewers.
>
> But consumers wanted more video programmes, and entrepreneurs sought
> innovative ways to deliver them. Cable TV ? ?spectrum in a tube? ? was a
> regulatory bypass, recreating the transmission capacity FCC policies
denied.
> It too was blocked by FCC barriers; when it won deregulation in the late
> 1970s, new programmes were soon unleashed, and most US households
subscribed
> by 1988. By then, CNN had achieved the impossible: in just seven years, it
> had become a profitable, mass market, 24/7 all-news network ? just what
> regulators had declared impractical and virtually illegal. Liberalising US
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>
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> rivalry came, once more, in the form of new spectrum. Digital satellite TV
> systems launched by DirecTV in 1994 and EchoStar in 1996 were greeted as
the
> ?death star? by cable incumbents, as they beamed 200-channel video bundles
> to subscribers. Cable, scrambling to respond,spent $80bn to upgrade their
> systems. The unregulated capacity competition triggered a new content
boom.
>
> One upstart to gain carriage in 1996 was the Fox News Channel. It made an
> overt ideological appeal with its ?Fair and Balanced? slogan, hitting CNN
> and the broadcast networks as slanted left. In contrast to news shows that
> interviewed Ralph Nader activists as default experts, FNC featured talking
> heads from the (Republican) Heritage Foundation. Critics cried foul,
> portraying the new channel as a right-wing front ? further advancing Fox
> News as ?fair and balanced? and attacked by elite purveyors of opinion.
>
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> sister network, Headline News. But FNC (owned by Rupert Murdoch?s News
Corp)
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> serves (about 80m), below the 40 cents paid for the CNN/HN tandem. In new
> carriage agreements, Fox is reportedly asking for at least 50 cents. This
> shows a stunning turnaround: Just nine years ago, Fox News paid cable
> systems over $300m in aggregate (or $12 per new subscriber) to gain
initial
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>
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measures
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> former vice president Al Gore. The battlefield extends to radio, where the
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> Fairness Doctrine in 1987) has triggered counter-counter liberal talk, in
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Thu Jun  9 10:38:14 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Wed Jun  8 20:45:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Theatre Stuff...
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Tue, 7 Jun 2005
	12:00:07 -0700
Message-ID: <21377-42A87E86-1783@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>


There are some great resources--as you know!--for theatre, and Broadway
info, on the internet...

www.broadwayworld.com

Links almost every theatre-related story that appears that day, in major
newspapers around the country. It's run by a terrifically nice young
fellow named Rob Diamond, who's particularly generous in helping new
theatre companies, and efforts.

www.broadwaystars.com 

Also is a great website, linking that day's theatre articles.

And 

www.playbill.com

Is the online version of the venerable show-biz program/journal.

Every Monday, at about 6:00 PM, they list the Broadway grosses for the
previous week, also linked, the next day, at the other two sites.


Best, Jim Burns

From fotoblue at flash.net  Thu Jun  9 12:13:44 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Wed Jun  8 22:20:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] in 1850...
Message-ID: <245450-22005649191344834@M2W047.mail2web.com>

to lighten up the serious mood on the list these days...

 this just in from an old friend in CALIFORNIA!


Do you know what happened in 1850?

California became a  state.

The state had no electricity.

The state had no  money.

Almost everyone spoke Spanish.

There were gunfights in the  streets.

So basically, it was just like California today, except the women had real
tits.

;-)

but seriously....
 Love
 Dagmar







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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Thu Jun  9 14:15:39 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (barbara)
Date: Thu Jun  9 00:22:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] barbara recommends markfiore.com!
Message-ID: <200506092115.j59LFddM068999@markfiore.com>

Dear mb-civic@islandlists.com,

barbara (barbarasiomos38@msn.com) wants you to see a cartoon at "markfiore.com".  You can check it out at http://www.markfiore.com/animation/pain.html.

In addition to recommending "markfiore.com", barbara also sent you this message:

I could not access the cartoon through Hectates address so I tried this... hope it is the same one.
peace

 
 
From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Thu Jun  9 14:19:46 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Thu Jun  9 00:28:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fiore cartoon
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV610E54CDBD1C9193944CBABFC0@phx.gbl>

The Fiore Cartoon is not at the address THEY have given.... just try www.markfiore.com  then when you get there click on Pain...

peace,
barbara


From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  9 14:57:21 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Thu Jun  9 01:04:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] in 1850...
In-Reply-To: <245450-22005649191344834@M2W047.mail2web.com>
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From dekuyper at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun  9 16:43:46 2005
From: dekuyper at sbcglobal.net (Gerald Gerald)
Date: Thu Jun  9 04:43:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] What's up?
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Jun  9 19:45:42 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Jun  9 05:52:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Theatre Stuff...
References: <21377-42A87E86-1783@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <01b501c56d66$7e91bfe0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

thank you for sharing jim
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:38 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Theatre Stuff...


> 
> There are some great resources--as you know!--for theatre, and Broadway
> info, on the internet...
> 
> www.broadwayworld.com
> 
> Links almost every theatre-related story that appears that day, in major
> newspapers around the country. It's run by a terrifically nice young
> fellow named Rob Diamond, who's particularly generous in helping new
> theatre companies, and efforts.
> 
> www.broadwaystars.com 
> 
> Also is a great website, linking that day's theatre articles.
> 
> And 
> 
> www.playbill.com
> 
> Is the online version of the venerable show-biz program/journal.
> 
> Every Monday, at about 6:00 PM, they list the Broadway grosses for the
> previous week, also linked, the next day, at the other two sites.
> 
> 
> Best, Jim Burns
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Jun  9 22:56:46 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Thu Jun  9 09:03:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Theatre Stuff...
References: <21377-42A87E86-1783@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>
	<01b501c56d66$7e91bfe0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <001c01c56d81$2f948b00$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Hey Richard

I tend to believe Jim Burns is cool hip & groovey & has as idea,
Love 
Robin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Theatre Stuff...


> thank you for sharing jim
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 1:38 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Theatre Stuff...
> 
> 
>> 
>> There are some great resources--as you know!--for theatre, and Broadway
>> info, on the internet...
>> 
>> www.broadwayworld.com
>> 
>> Links almost every theatre-related story that appears that day, in major
>> newspapers around the country. It's run by a terrifically nice young
>> fellow named Rob Diamond, who's particularly generous in helping new
>> theatre companies, and efforts.
>> 
>> www.broadwaystars.com 
>> 
>> Also is a great website, linking that day's theatre articles.
>> 
>> And 
>> 
>> www.playbill.com
>> 
>> Is the online version of the venerable show-biz program/journal.
>> 
>> Every Monday, at about 6:00 PM, they list the Broadway grosses for the
>> previous week, also linked, the next day, at the other two sites.
>> 
>> 
>> Best, Jim Burns
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> _______________________________________________
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> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Fri Jun 10 01:56:31 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Thu Jun  9 12:03:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Thu, 9 Jun 2005
	12:00:08 -0700
Message-ID: <12634-42A955BF-1801@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>


Jim Burns is only probably semi-hip, and semi-groovy....

;-)

From jameshburns at webtv.net  Fri Jun 10 02:03:30 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Thu Jun  9 12:10:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Broadcast TV...
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Thu, 9 Jun 2005
	12:00:08 -0700
Message-ID: <12632-42A95762-3590@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>


All that stuff, of course, may be right, and certainly interesting....

And has been, probably, for a while.

But remember the new undeground, that everyone, tends to ignore.

There are twenty to fifty million illegal, unregistered immigrants in
our country.

There are poor folks tha never get counted by anybody.

And for the majority of them, the media reality, is still the TV
stations, that they can get, over the air, along with radio.

As to the rest--

The pernicious, and myopic take, that our news outlets have wound up
giving us--

The general ill-regard for what we used to regard as beneficial to our
overall sense of society, as presented by shows like Howard Stern's, or
the networks' "reality programming"--

Has been devestating.

Pop media DOES, at the least, create the backgrund track for our lives
in America.

And we've been ill-served.

So, talk truth to the power.


And spread the joy of a smile, this weekend...


Best,  Jim

From paulnnina at adelphia.net  Thu Jun  9 18:32:54 2005
From: paulnnina at adelphia.net (paulnnina)
Date: Thu Jun  9 14:32:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fwd: FW: Best Photos of 2004
Message-ID: <200506091400.j59E0dms020570@dune.islandtechnologies.net>

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From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Jun  9 19:37:49 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: Panel Would Cut Public Broadcasting Aid
Message-ID: <20050610163044.68E55249BD0@lax-gw08.mroute.net>

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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Fri Jun 10 09:33:24 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Thu Jun  9 19:59:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Broadcast TV on life support
Message-ID: <008e01c56dda$2219c720$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Dear Michael,

Thanks for posting this.  It's a great nutshell history of the evolution of television in America, from the days of the Vietnam Era when, for news, you listened either to Huntley and Brinkley (NBC) or Walter Cronkite (CBS), who changed America's opinion about the war in Vietnam when he taped a newscast in Hue City following the 1968 Tet Offensive and declared America was in a "stalemate" in Vietnam.  You know, I can't even recall who the ABC News anchor was.  These were our only sources for news and views at the time.

Hmmmmmm, we may have news and commentary sources out the wazoo these days, but, you know, we have yet, apparently, to have learned all necessary lessons from our Vietnam War experience.  They may claim today there are no parallels to our war in Iraq with our war in Vietnam and that we are NOT in a stalemate, yet, how long has it been since the war was officially declared over?  And how many have been killed and seriously wounded since?

Ah, but this is just preaching to the choir, eh?

--Tioga

=============

Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:59:38 -0700
From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thomas W. Hazlett: Broadcast TV on life support

>By Thomas W. Hazlett
>Published: June 2 2005 17:17 | Last updated: June 2 2005 17:17

Broadcast television is fading into oblivion. Just two web sites, Google and
Yahoo!, now account for more advertising revenues than do the prime time
schedules of the three traditional television networks - ABC, CBS, and NBC -
combined. In contrast to the explosion in e-commerce, broadcast TV viewers
are fleeing to cable programming, which now easily beats broadcast TV in the
ratings. And those left to watch broadcast programs don?t stick around for
the commercials. Remote controls, VCRs, and the growing popularity of
personal digital recorders are rendering the 60-second TV spot a quaint
black and white video clip.

In some ways, however, the dinosaurs of the early TV era are remarkable for
their longevity. The network Big Three dominated an earlier time under rules
crafted by the US federal government in 1952. By perversely applying a
doctrine of ?localism,? Federal Communications Commission regulators ended
up killing a fledgling fourth network then operating - DuMont - and
precluded new competition for decades. This was achieved via spectrum
policy, denying entrants the licenses they needed to compete.

This audaciously anti-competitive gambit was couched in the language of high
principle. Excluding all but a few was said to serve the ?public interest,?
providing not only for ?localism? but for ?fairness? and ?educational?
programs, to boot. Even as FCC regulators railed famously against the ?vast
wasteland? that their cosy network triopoly had wrought, as did FCC chairman
Newton Minow in a 1961 speech, the Commission moved to block alternative
media providing higher quality programs and a broader range of consumer
choice. Minow?s FCC moved to suppress the emergence of cable TV, which
regulators declared could never be more than a niche fill-in for
broadcasting. ?Educational? goals were threatened, it determined, if cable
?siphoned? viewers.

But consumers wanted more video programmes, and entrepreneurs sought
innovative ways to deliver them. Cable TV ? ?spectrum in a tube? ? was a
regulatory bypass, recreating the transmission capacity FCC policies denied.
It too was blocked by FCC barriers; when it won deregulation in the late
1970s, new programmes were soon unleashed, and most US households subscribed
by 1988. By then, CNN had achieved the impossible: in just seven years, it
had become a profitable, mass market, 24/7 all-news network ? just what
regulators had declared impractical and virtually illegal. Liberalising US
TV rules literally changed the world. When, in 1991, CNN cameras captured
Boris Yeltsin jumping on a Soviet tank, an empire was toppled ? and a ?vast
wasteland? buried.

But the first generation cable success of CNN was not an equilibrium. New
rivalry came, once more, in the form of new spectrum. Digital satellite TV
systems launched by DirecTV in 1994 and EchoStar in 1996 were greeted as the
?death star? by cable incumbents, as they beamed 200-channel video bundles
to subscribers. Cable, scrambling to respond,spent $80bn to upgrade their
systems. The unregulated capacity competition triggered a new content boom.

One upstart to gain carriage in 1996 was the Fox News Channel. It made an
overt ideological appeal with its ?Fair and Balanced? slogan, hitting CNN
and the broadcast networks as slanted left. In contrast to news shows that
interviewed Ralph Nader activists as default experts, FNC featured talking
heads from the (Republican) Heritage Foundation. Critics cried foul,
portraying the new channel as a right-wing front ? further advancing Fox
News as ?fair and balanced? and attacked by elite purveyors of opinion.

Fox News now garners more than the combined audience size of CNN and its
sister network, Headline News. But FNC (owned by Rupert Murdoch?s News Corp)
receives only 25 cents per month for the average subscriber in homes it
serves (about 80m), below the 40 cents paid for the CNN/HN tandem. In new
carriage agreements, Fox is reportedly asking for at least 50 cents. This
shows a stunning turnaround: Just nine years ago, Fox News paid cable
systems over $300m in aggregate (or $12 per new subscriber) to gain initial
carriage. ?Fair and balanced? had to pay to play.

The gold discovered in these hills is prompting innovative counter measures
from both established networks and entrants such as the network headed by
former vice president Al Gore. The battlefield extends to radio, where the
meteoric rise of conservative talk shows (following the abolition of the
Fairness Doctrine in 1987) has triggered counter-counter liberal talk, in
the form of Al Franken?s Air America.

Today?s markets deliver diverse choices far beyond what the ?public
interest? in broadcasting delivered. With the transition to the
post-broadcasting television world ninety-percent complete, courtesy of
households paying for cable and satellite delivery, it is time cancel the
1952 TV Allocation Table ? the longest run ratings bomb in US TV history. If
station licensees were given the right to use allotted frequencies for their
highest and best use, over-the-air broadcasting would quickly migrate to
more efficient platforms, and TV band frequencies would be redeployed for
mobile telephony and broadband ? wireless services customers yearn to enjoy
and are willing to pay for. Once the radio spectrum is made available for
productive use by market competitors, additional generations of innovative
video content ? and free speech - are yet before us.

This writer is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy
Research

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From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Jun  9 20:52:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Broadcast TV on life support
In-Reply-To: <008e01c56dda$2219c720$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>
Message-ID: <BECF1FD3.20898%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Tioga,

Yes, it is preaching to the choir but we should all keep it up. Without such
the truth will never leak out. Media is more under control all the time.

Michael
-- Never doubt that a group of thoughtful, committed
citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only
thing that ever has.   Margaret Mead





> Dear Michael,
> 
> Thanks for posting this.  It's a great nutshell history of the evolution of
> television in America, from the days of the Vietnam Era when, for news, you
> listened either to Huntley and Brinkley (NBC) or Walter Cronkite (CBS), who
> changed America's opinion about the war in Vietnam when he taped a newscast in
> Hue City following the 1968 Tet Offensive and declared America was in a
> "stalemate" in Vietnam.  You know, I can't even recall who the ABC News anchor
> was.  These were our only sources for news and views at the time.
> 
> Hmmmmmm, we may have news and commentary sources out the wazoo these days,
> but, you know, we have yet, apparently, to have learned all necessary lessons
> from our Vietnam War experience.  They may claim today there are no parallels
> to our war in Iraq with our war in Vietnam and that we are NOT in a stalemate,
> yet, how long has it been since the war was officially declared over?  And how
> many have been killed and seriously wounded since?
> 
> Ah, but this is just preaching to the choir, eh?
> 
> --Tioga
> 
> =============
> 
> Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 08:59:38 -0700
> From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> 
> Thomas W. Hazlett: Broadcast TV on life support
> 
>> By Thomas W. Hazlett
>> Published: June 2 2005 17:17 | Last updated: June 2 2005 17:17
> 
> Broadcast television is fading into oblivion. Just two web sites, Google and
> Yahoo!, now account for more advertising revenues than do the prime time
> schedules of the three traditional television networks - ABC, CBS, and NBC -
> combined. In contrast to the explosion in e-commerce, broadcast TV viewers
> are fleeing to cable programming, which now easily beats broadcast TV in the
> ratings. And those left to watch broadcast programs don?t stick around for
> the commercials. Remote controls, VCRs, and the growing popularity of
> personal digital recorders are rendering the 60-second TV spot a quaint
> black and white video clip.
> 
> In some ways, however, the dinosaurs of the early TV era are remarkable for
> their longevity. The network Big Three dominated an earlier time under rules
> crafted by the US federal government in 1952. By perversely applying a
> doctrine of ?localism,? Federal Communications Commission regulators ended
> up killing a fledgling fourth network then operating - DuMont - and
> precluded new competition for decades. This was achieved via spectrum
> policy, denying entrants the licenses they needed to compete.
> 
> This audaciously anti-competitive gambit was couched in the language of high
> principle. Excluding all but a few was said to serve the ?public interest,?
> providing not only for ?localism? but for ?fairness? and ?educational?
> programs, to boot. Even as FCC regulators railed famously against the ?vast
> wasteland? that their cosy network triopoly had wrought, as did FCC chairman
> Newton Minow in a 1961 speech, the Commission moved to block alternative
> media providing higher quality programs and a broader range of consumer
> choice. Minow?s FCC moved to suppress the emergence of cable TV, which
> regulators declared could never be more than a niche fill-in for
> broadcasting. ?Educational? goals were threatened, it determined, if cable
> ?siphoned? viewers.
> 
> But consumers wanted more video programmes, and entrepreneurs sought
> innovative ways to deliver them. Cable TV ? ?spectrum in a tube? ? was a
> regulatory bypass, recreating the transmission capacity FCC policies denied.
> It too was blocked by FCC barriers; when it won deregulation in the late
> 1970s, new programmes were soon unleashed, and most US households subscribed
> by 1988. By then, CNN had achieved the impossible: in just seven years, it
> had become a profitable, mass market, 24/7 all-news network ? just what
> regulators had declared impractical and virtually illegal. Liberalising US
> TV rules literally changed the world. When, in 1991, CNN cameras captured
> Boris Yeltsin jumping on a Soviet tank, an empire was toppled ? and a ?vast
> wasteland? buried.
> 
> But the first generation cable success of CNN was not an equilibrium. New
> rivalry came, once more, in the form of new spectrum. Digital satellite TV
> systems launched by DirecTV in 1994 and EchoStar in 1996 were greeted as the
> ?death star? by cable incumbents, as they beamed 200-channel video bundles
> to subscribers. Cable, scrambling to respond,spent $80bn to upgrade their
> systems. The unregulated capacity competition triggered a new content boom.
> 
> One upstart to gain carriage in 1996 was the Fox News Channel. It made an
> overt ideological appeal with its ?Fair and Balanced? slogan, hitting CNN
> and the broadcast networks as slanted left. In contrast to news shows that
> interviewed Ralph Nader activists as default experts, FNC featured talking
> heads from the (Republican) Heritage Foundation. Critics cried foul,
> portraying the new channel as a right-wing front ? further advancing Fox
> News as ?fair and balanced? and attacked by elite purveyors of opinion.
> 
> Fox News now garners more than the combined audience size of CNN and its
> sister network, Headline News. But FNC (owned by Rupert Murdoch?s News Corp)
> receives only 25 cents per month for the average subscriber in homes it
> serves (about 80m), below the 40 cents paid for the CNN/HN tandem. In new
> carriage agreements, Fox is reportedly asking for at least 50 cents. This
> shows a stunning turnaround: Just nine years ago, Fox News paid cable
> systems over $300m in aggregate (or $12 per new subscriber) to gain initial
> carriage. ?Fair and balanced? had to pay to play.
> 
> The gold discovered in these hills is prompting innovative counter measures
> from both established networks and entrants such as the network headed by
> former vice president Al Gore. The battlefield extends to radio, where the
> meteoric rise of conservative talk shows (following the abolition of the
> Fairness Doctrine in 1987) has triggered counter-counter liberal talk, in
> the form of Al Franken?s Air America.
> 
> Today?s markets deliver diverse choices far beyond what the ?public
> interest? in broadcasting delivered. With the transition to the
> post-broadcasting television world ninety-percent complete, courtesy of
> households paying for cable and satellite delivery, it is time cancel the
> 1952 TV Allocation Table ? the longest run ratings bomb in US TV history. If
> station licensees were given the right to use allotted frequencies for their
> highest and best use, over-the-air broadcasting would quickly migrate to
> more efficient platforms, and TV band frequencies would be redeployed for
> mobile telephony and broadband ? wireless services customers yearn to enjoy
> and are willing to pay for. Once the radio spectrum is made available for
> productive use by market competitors, additional generations of innovative
> video content ? and free speech - are yet before us.
> 
> This writer is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute for Policy
> Research
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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> 


From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Fri Jun 10 10:37:00 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Thu Jun  9 21:05:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of George
	(Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)
Message-ID: <00a301c56de3$03bf7550$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:34 GMT
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>

I tried to find that photo on the internet of Hibiscus (George) putting the flower into the rifle barrel and could not... I tried for over an hour... Any suggestions? I am guessing Life magazine has such a hold on that photo no one has it.

peace,
barbara

===================================

FYI, for those who don't know, our dearly departed Hibiscus (aka George Harris, American performance artist, 1950 - 1982) was the brother of our own dear Walter Michael Harris, who's sweet voice is heard in the Original Broadway Cast recording of HAIR in the duet, "What a Piece of Work Is Man."

It's not the clearest reproduction of that famous photograph, but go to http://home.sandiego.edu/~hbarns/1967.htm.  

Excerpts from that page read as follows:

"The October [22] 1967 march on the Pentagon held the 'largest mass draft card burning in the history of protest against Vietnam... ."

"The initial rally of over seventy thousand demonstrators outside of the Lincoln Memorial 'was entirely peaceful and conventional'."  [things did change, however, from peace to violence as the demonstration wore on]

"... At the major point of confrontation, ... young people challenged soldiers with flowers, ...."

The photo is also found on the cover of "A Nation Divided" (pub. 1984) from the Boston Publishing Company's "The Vietnam Experience" series.  The caption from the credits page reads as follows:

"Cover photo: Before a violent clash between peace demonstrators and National Guardsmen at the Pentagon on October 23, 1967, a protestor plants pink carnations in the guardsmen's rifle barrels.  By then, the nation was begining to come apart over the Vietnam War."

For more about Hibiscus, go to http://www.cockettes.com/, or better yet, rent the movie, "The Cockettes: The Rise and Fall of the Legendary San Francisco Theatrical Troupe, 1969-1972," a feature length documentary by David Weissman and Bill Weber.

peace,

Sibley J. Smith, Jr., Director of Education
Vietnam Era Educational Center at the 
New Jersey Vietnam Veterans' Memorial
1 Memorial Lane, P.O. Box 648
Holmdel, New Jersey 07733
1-800-648-VETS
www.njvvmf.org 
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From michael at intrafi.com  Fri Jun 10 11:13:13 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Jun  9 21:20:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Dean's Democrats Remain Pathetic
Message-ID: <20050610181313.650DCB80AF@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com

RIGHT ON!!!

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Dean's Democrats Remain Pathetic
http://www.alternet.org/story/22189

The only thing worse than Dean's prepared platitudes is his virtual silence on the war in Iraq and the big-money corruption of electoral politics and congressional legislation.
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From michael at intrafi.com  Fri Jun 10 11:14:43 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Jun  9 21:21:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: After Downing Street
Message-ID: <20050610181443.08092B80AF@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



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After Downing Street
http://www.alternet.org/story/22200

The Minutes now stand as irrefutable proof that the road to war in Iraq was paved, with absolute intent, with lies and deceit and misdirection and fraud.
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Jun 10 13:34:40 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Thu Jun  9 23:41:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Ooops  sent to wrong list... sorry.
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV80C909B2BC7DE9A238F4AABFF0@phx.gbl>

Ooops....   Sent to wrong list.. sorry.

peace,
barbara
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Jun 10 13:42:41 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Jun  9 23:51:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Ooops  sent to wrong list... sorry.
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No, this is a perfect home for that picture.
XO Michael

> Ooops....   Sent to wrong list.. sorry.
> 
> peace,
> barbara
> 
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Jun 10 14:10:46 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Jun 10 00:17:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Bernie Boston
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV24C677C3902EB72BC07085ABFF0@phx.gbl>

Dear WM,

Thank you for turning me on to "Flower Power" the Pulitzer prize winning photo by Bernie Boston.... The one I found today is the clearest and best so far, hope you got to see it..... :-))

peace,
barbara


From jameshburns at webtv.net  Fri Jun 10 23:10:49 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Fri Jun 10 09:17:59 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] OT: WCBS FM GETS "JACKED" (Harry Harrison, Says Goodbye)
Message-ID: <11251-42AA8069-5356@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net>


I'm just a little too young to have grown up with the original Good
Guys, on WMCA, but I  certainly grew up listening to Harry Harrison, and
what even as a kid, I considered classic rock...   "Jack" is a new, bad
media idea...

Best, Jim

*************************************
The Times They Are A Changing
A Good Guy Signs Off
THE BERGEN RECORD, June 10, 2005

By Harry Harrison


The day the music died?again. That could be what CBS-FM Radio
listeners thought of when the station, after 33 years, abruptly changed
formats on June 3. It was a move that shocked their audience, the radio
community and all of us who worked there.

"101.1" was their station, with pleasant, friendly air personalities.
Management apparently didn't want the listeners who grew up with the
WMCA Good Guys and the WABC All-Americans. They wanted "Jack,", the name
of a new format with no deejays, no news, no weather, no sports. It's an
iPod-like mix of music that they feel will appeal to a younger audience.

However, Motown, Elvis, Chuck Berry, The Beach Boys and all the other
great artists who were heard on 101.1 were loved an appreciated by all
our loyal listeners, including young people.

And what about today's kids? There certainly are enough stations playing
modern and recent hits. But if teenagers today must live in a radio
universe where there is no longer a place where they can discover the
harmonies and rhythms of The Beatles, Dion and the Belmonts, The
Temptations, The Shirelles, it will be a sadder and lonelier place. And
they will be missing a world of music that has not only touched so many
of us for so many years but that is timeless as well.

I'm proud to say that I was a "Good Guy" on WMCA and an All-American on
WABC during those great Sixties and Seventies music years. Then I was
the CBS "Morning Mayor" for 23 more years. I left in 2003 when I was
told changes were on the way. I came back late last year for a Saturday
morning show.

The music we played at CBS was very personal to our listeners. They
often describe it as the music of their lives. I don't think that
Infinity, which owns CBS, realized the gem it had ? or the backlash
the switch would create. Stories in newspapers, on the radio,
television, and the Internet are reporting the change and controversy.
It's not going away soon.

It's sad to think that the New York City-Northern Bergen County region
doesn't have a single oldies station with popular personalities where
you can always "Come and get those memories" as Martha and the Vandellas
sang on their first hit in 1963.

I thank all our listeners whom I call my friends, for keeping me on the
air so long and allowing us to be a part of their lives for so many
years. I always appreciated you.

Remember, every brand new day should be unwrapped like a precious gift.

This is Harry Harrison, wishing you all the very best, because that's
exactly what you deserve.


? Copyright 2005 The Bergen Record


From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Sat Jun 11 05:22:06 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Dauber)
Date: Fri Jun 10 14:28:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: WCBS FM GETS "JACKED" (Harry Harrison, Says Goodbye)
In-Reply-To: <11251-42AA8069-5356@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <339e5218133.1930c78c@outgoing.verizon.net>

On 06/11/2005, Jim Burns wrote:

> I'm just a little too young to have grown up with the original Good
> Guys, on WMCA, but I  certainly grew up listening to Harry Harrison,
> and what even as a kid, I considered classic rock...   "Jack" is a new,
> bad media idea...

Aw, Jim, these big radio corporations (Infinity, Clear Channel, etc.) are
all about bad media ideas!

Anyhoo, it turned out for the best for Cousin Brucie at least -- he got
picked up by Sirius. His first broadcast will be July 4 from the R&R Hall of
Fame. And he got the radio jock's ultimate dream: he gets to play what he
wants.

I still ain't gettin' Sirius, though.

--
dauber@banana-and-louie.org
 * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Sat Jun 11 06:20:44 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Fri Jun 10 16:47:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of George
	(Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)
Message-ID: <001f01c56e88$65706700$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Thanks, Barbara.  That is a sharper image than the reproduced one I found
and posted.  I now have this page, that you turned us on to, bookmarked for
future easy reference.  He will be remembered forever.

Sib
======================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:29 PM

Here is the picture of Hibiscus aka George Harris...

http://www.rit.edu/~661www/100/100th-part-1/pages/Boston.htm

peace,
barbara
========================
-----Original Message-----
From: Sibley Smith
Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:37

FYI, for those who don't know, our dearly departed Hibiscus (aka George
Harris, American performance artist, 1950 - 1982) was the brother of our own
dear Walter Michael Harris, who's sweet voice is heard in the Original
Broadway Cast recording of HAIR in the duet, "What a Piece of Work Is Man."

It's not the clearest reproduction of that famous photograph, but go to
http://home.sandiego.edu/~hbarns/1967.htm.

Excerpts from that page read as follows:

"The October [22] 1967 march on the Pentagon held the 'largest mass draft
card burning in the history of protest against Vietnam... ."

"The initial rally of over seventy thousand demonstrators outside of the
Lincoln Memorial 'was entirely peaceful and conventional'."  [things did
change, however, from peace to violence as the demonstration wore on]

"... At the major point of confrontation, ... young people challenged
soldiers with flowers, ...."

The photo is also found on the cover of "A Nation Divided" (pub. 1984) from
the Boston Publishing Company's "The Vietnam Experience" series.  The
caption from the credits page reads as follows:

"Cover photo: Before a violent clash between peace demonstrators and
National Guardsmen at the Pentagon on October 23, 1967, a protestor plants
pink carnations in the guardsmen's rifle barrels.  By then, the nation was
begining to come apart over the Vietnam War."

For more about Hibiscus, go to http://www.cockettes.com/, or better yet,
rent the movie, "The Cockettes: The Rise and Fall of the Legendary San
Francisco Theatrical Troupe, 1969-1972," a feature length documentary by
David Weissman and Bill Weber.

peace,

Sibley J. Smith, Jr., Director of Education
Vietnam Era Educational Center at the
New Jersey Vietnam Veterans' Memorial
1 Memorial Lane, P.O. Box 648
Holmdel, New Jersey 07733
1-800-648-VETS
www.njvvmf.org

============================
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:34 GMT
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>

I tried to find that photo on the internet of Hibiscus (George) putting the
flower into the rifle barrel and could not... I tried for over an hour.. Any
suggestions? I am guessing Life magazine has such a hold on that photo no
one has it.

peace,
barbara

===================================




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From: venuetheatre at juno.com (venuetheatre@juno.com)
Date: Fri Jun 10 17:02:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: eBay song
Message-ID: <20050611.095404.2352.2.venuetheatre@juno.com>


Not  an avid eBayer, my sides are hurting from laughing!!!  Even if you
do
not eBay, turn up your sound and enjoy....
 
http://tinafolsomphotography.com/ebay_song.html

you will have to paste it into your browser.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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all mail to the office.
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 11 07:18:32 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Jun 10 17:25:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of
	George(Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)
References: <001f01c56e88$65706700$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>
Message-ID: <002601c56e90$7274cb50$6e436c42@hotprojects>

but in the village " hibiscus and the screaming violets was first another person? "
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sibley Smith 
  To: Butler, Michael - HAIR List 
  Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:20 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of George(Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)


  Thanks, Barbara.  That is a sharper image than the reproduced one I found
  and posted.  I now have this page, that you turned us on to, bookmarked for
  future easy reference.  He will be remembered forever.

  Sib
  ======================
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:29 PM

  Here is the picture of Hibiscus aka George Harris...

  http://www.rit.edu/~661www/100/100th-part-1/pages/Boston.htm

  peace,
  barbara
  ========================
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Sibley Smith
  Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:37

  FYI, for those who don't know, our dearly departed Hibiscus (aka George
  Harris, American performance artist, 1950 - 1982) was the brother of our own
  dear Walter Michael Harris, who's sweet voice is heard in the Original
  Broadway Cast recording of HAIR in the duet, "What a Piece of Work Is Man."

  It's not the clearest reproduction of that famous photograph, but go to
  http://home.sandiego.edu/~hbarns/1967.htm.

  Excerpts from that page read as follows:

  "The October [22] 1967 march on the Pentagon held the 'largest mass draft
  card burning in the history of protest against Vietnam... ."

  "The initial rally of over seventy thousand demonstrators outside of the
  Lincoln Memorial 'was entirely peaceful and conventional'."  [things did
  change, however, from peace to violence as the demonstration wore on]

  "... At the major point of confrontation, ... young people challenged
  soldiers with flowers, ...."

  The photo is also found on the cover of "A Nation Divided" (pub. 1984) from
  the Boston Publishing Company's "The Vietnam Experience" series.  The
  caption from the credits page reads as follows:

  "Cover photo: Before a violent clash between peace demonstrators and
  National Guardsmen at the Pentagon on October 23, 1967, a protestor plants
  pink carnations in the guardsmen's rifle barrels.  By then, the nation was
  begining to come apart over the Vietnam War."

  For more about Hibiscus, go to http://www.cockettes.com/, or better yet,
  rent the movie, "The Cockettes: The Rise and Fall of the Legendary San
  Francisco Theatrical Troupe, 1969-1972," a feature length documentary by
  David Weissman and Bill Weber.

  peace,

  Sibley J. Smith, Jr., Director of Education
  Vietnam Era Educational Center at the
  New Jersey Vietnam Veterans' Memorial
  1 Memorial Lane, P.O. Box 648
  Holmdel, New Jersey 07733
  1-800-648-VETS
  www.njvvmf.org

  ============================
  Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:34 GMT
  From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>

  I tried to find that photo on the internet of Hibiscus (George) putting the
  flower into the rifle barrel and could not... I tried for over an hour.. Any
  suggestions? I am guessing Life magazine has such a hold on that photo no
  one has it.

  peace,
  barbara

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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sat Jun 11 08:48:39 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Jun 10 18:56:08 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of George
	(Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV12FB483B69FF980620A08FABFE0@phx.gbl>

Originally I had the picture you had as well Sib., but this one must have just been posted cause it was not on line before when I spent an hour or so looking for it. I still would not have it if not for WMH (Walter Michael Harris) letting me know the origins of the photographer.

peace, and you do wonderful things down there at the njvvwm, they are extremely lucky to have you... I mean that sincerely.

barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Sibley Smith
Sent: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:20:44 -0700
To: Butler, Michael - HAIR List
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of George (Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)

Thanks, Barbara.  That is a sharper image than the reproduced one I found
and posted.  I now have this page, that you turned us on to, bookmarked for
future easy reference.  He will be remembered forever.

Sib
======================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:29 PM

Here is the picture of Hibiscus aka George Harris...

http://www.rit.edu/~661www/100/100th-part-1/pages/Boston.htm

peace,
barbara
========================
-----Original Message-----
From: Sibley Smith
Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:37

FYI, for those who don't know, our dearly departed Hibiscus (aka George
Harris, American performance artist, 1950 - 1982) was the brother of our own
dear Walter Michael Harris, who's sweet voice is heard in the Original
Broadway Cast recording of HAIR in the duet, "What a Piece of Work Is Man"

It's not the clearest reproduction of that famous photograph, but go to
http://home.sandiego.edu/~hbarns/1967.htm.

Excerpts from that page read as follows:

"The October [22] 1967 march on the Pentagon held the 'largest mass draft
card burning in the history of protest against Vietnam... ."

"The initial rally of over seventy thousand demonstrators outside of the
Lincoln Memorial 'was entirely peaceful and conventional'."  [things did
change, however, from peace to violence as the demonstration wore on]

"... At the major point of confrontation, ... young people challenged
soldiers with flowers, ...."

The photo is also found on the cover of "A Nation Divided" (pub. 1984) from
the Boston Publishing Company's "The Vietnam Experience" series.  The
caption from the credits page reads as follows:

"Cover photo: Before a violent clash between peace demonstrators and
National Guardsmen at the Pentagon on October 23, 1967, a protestor plants
pink carnations in the guardsmen's rifle barrels.  By then, the nation was
begining to come apart over the Vietnam War."

For more about Hibiscus, go to http://www.cockettes.com/, or better yet,
rent the movie, "The Cockettes: The Rise and Fall of the Legendary San
Francisco Theatrical Troupe, 1969-1972," a feature length documentary by
David Weissman and Bill Weber.

peace,

Sibley J. Smith, Jr., Director of Education
Vietnam Era Educational Center at the
New Jersey Vietnam Veterans' Memorial
1 Memorial Lane, P.O. Box 648
Holmdel, New Jersey 07733
1-800-648-VETS
www.njvvmf.org

============================
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:34 GMT
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>

I tried to find that photo on the internet of Hibiscus (George) putting the
flower into the rifle barrel and could not... I tried for over an hour.. Any
suggestions? I am guessing Life magazine has such a hold on that photo no
one has it.

peace,
barbara

===================================


From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sat Jun 11 09:02:05 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Jun 10 19:10:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of George
	(Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV58375DF2860581A53C9ACABFE0@phx.gbl>

Has anyone noticed the look of utter confusion on the face of the one military fellow on the left as he seems to be reaching for the flower that is already in his gun barrel?

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Sibley Smith
Sent: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:20:44 -0700
To: Butler, Michael - HAIR List
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of George (Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)

Thanks, Barbara.  That is a sharper image than the reproduced one I found
and posted.  I now have this page, that you turned us on to, bookmarked for
future easy reference.  He will be remembered forever.

Sib
======================
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:29 PM

Here is the picture of Hibiscus aka George Harris...

http://www.rit.edu/~661www/100/100th-part-1/pages/Boston.htm

peace,
barbara
========================
-----Original Message-----
From: Sibley Smith
Sent: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:37

FYI, for those who don't know, our dearly departed Hibiscus (aka George
Harris, American performance artist, 1950 - 1982) was the brother of our own
dear Walter Michael Harris, who's sweet voice is heard in the Original
Broadway Cast recording of HAIR in the duet, "What a Piece of Work Is Man"

It's not the clearest reproduction of that famous photograph, but go to
http://home.sandiego.edu/~hbarns/1967.htm.

Excerpts from that page read as follows:

"The October [22] 1967 march on the Pentagon held the 'largest mass draft
card burning in the history of protest against Vietnam... ."

"The initial rally of over seventy thousand demonstrators outside of the
Lincoln Memorial 'was entirely peaceful and conventional'."  [things did
change, however, from peace to violence as the demonstration wore on]

"... At the major point of confrontation, ... young people challenged
soldiers with flowers, ...."

The photo is also found on the cover of "A Nation Divided" (pub. 1984) from
the Boston Publishing Company's "The Vietnam Experience" series.  The
caption from the credits page reads as follows:

"Cover photo: Before a violent clash between peace demonstrators and
National Guardsmen at the Pentagon on October 23, 1967, a protestor plants
pink carnations in the guardsmen's rifle barrels.  By then, the nation was
begining to come apart over the Vietnam War."

For more about Hibiscus, go to http://www.cockettes.com/, or better yet,
rent the movie, "The Cockettes: The Rise and Fall of the Legendary San
Francisco Theatrical Troupe, 1969-1972," a feature length documentary by
David Weissman and Bill Weber.

peace,

Sibley J. Smith, Jr., Director of Education
Vietnam Era Educational Center at the
New Jersey Vietnam Veterans' Memorial
1 Memorial Lane, P.O. Box 648
Holmdel, New Jersey 07733
1-800-648-VETS
www.njvvmf.org

============================
Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 21:27:34 GMT
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>

I tried to find that photo on the internet of Hibiscus (George) putting the
flower into the rifle barrel and could not... I tried for over an hour.. Any
suggestions? I am guessing Life magazine has such a hold on that photo no
one has it.

peace,
barbara

===================================


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Jun 11 09:18:04 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Jun 10 19:25:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Dean Was Right
Message-ID: <BED05CCC.20930%michael@michaelbutler.com>

    Dean Was Right
    By William Rivers Pitt
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective

    Saturday 11 June 2005

    "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you
were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor
hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth."

    -- Revelations 3:15-16

    If the leadership qualities of those in charge of the national
Democratic Party could be squeezed into a shampoo bottle, the directions on
the back of the bottle might read something like this: ?Make tentative
statement. Offer equivocation to avoid appearing adamant. Scramble for cover
when colleague offers stinging critique of opposition. Stab colleague in
back in public. Palpitate and fret, hem and haw. Lather, rinse, repeat.?

    Quite a recipe for success, yes? Not lately.

    For the last several years, the Democratic Party has been, for the most
part, leaving skid marks on the street as they have retreated from
confrontation after confrontation with the radicals who now control the
Republican party. This retreat has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime
to the utterly outrageous.

    Here and there resistance has been put forth - on the Social Security
issue, on the stem cell legislation, on the nomination of Bolton as UN
ambassador - but all too often the most effective resistance to these and
other disastrous policy initiatives has come from other Republicans, and not
from the Democrats. It was the eloquence of Republican Senator Voinovich
that threw sand in the gears of the Bolton nomination, and it was Republican
Senator Specter?s promised override of any Bush veto of the stem cell
legislation that has made that issue a problem for the White House.

    And then along comes Howard Dean, chairman of the DNC, outspoken and
uncompromising, swinging Willie Stark?s meat ax with a will and a purpose.
He dared to say that he hates Republicans, that the leadership of that party
hasn?t worked a day in their lives, that the GOP has become a radical
hothouse of right-wing Christians, almost all of whom are white, and that
House majority leader Tom DeLay should go back to Texas and get his looming
prison sentence over with. Insert palpitations. Suddenly, Democrats like Joe
Biden and Bill Richardson start knocking over furniture and old ladies in
their rush to get to a microphone so they can distance themselves from the
wild man.

    Yes, yes, lather and rinse and repeat. The problem with all the
equivocation is that it obscures a simple fact that requires exposure and
discussion in this country: Dean was right. Ninety nine percent of
Republicans in the state legislatures in all 50 states, and in Congress in
Washington DC, are white. Even in states and districts with large minority
populations, the Republican representatives for those places are almost
uniformly white Christians.

    Of 3,643 Republicans serving in state legislatures across the country,
only 44 of them are minorities, amounting to 1.2%. Texas, with a minority
population of 47%, has 106 Republicans in the state legislature. There are
exactly zero African Americans and exactly zero Hispanics serving in that
body as Republicans. In Washington, 274 of the 535 elected Senators and
Representatives are Republican. Exactly five are minorities.

    Of course, there are ethnic and religious minorities within the rank and
file of the GOP, but every demographic analysis of the party?s makeup
clearly shows the vast majority of Republicans fit exactly into the
description offered by Mr. Dean. His point, by the way, was not that white
Christians are bad people. His point was that, in this pluralist society
made up of so much diversity, the Republican Party does not represent the
true face of this country. He was also pointing out that the GOP has been
taken over by that small, radical minority of white Christians who believe
separation of church and state is evil, and who believe Biblical law is a
better tool of governance than that pesky Constitution.

    As for hating Republicans, the employment record of the GOP leadership,
and DeLay?s date with a Houston cellblock, there is method to the supposed
madness here. Those who question the wisdom of Dean firing broadsides like
this look to the old lawyer?s maxim: When you have the law on your side,
pound on the law, and when you have the facts on your side, pound on the
facts, and when you have neither the law nor the facts on your side, pound
on the table. On so many issues facing us today, Dean and the Democrats have
both the facts and the law on their side. The question becomes, then, about
why Dean is pounding on the table.

    The answer is straightforward, and appropriately bold after several
years of ineffective limp-noodle Democratic leadership. Every time Dean
fires off one of his salvos, reporters flip open their notebooks. Headlines
get made, discussion begins, and a whole lot of people start debating the
facts and merits of his statements. Is the Republican leadership run by
right-wing yahoos? Is DeLay going to jail? Controversy begets press. Dean
can see, as well as anyone else, how effective the moderate, soft-touch,
treading-lightly approach has been working lately for the Democrats.

    But how are we going to win those white Christian middle-America voters
to our side by having Dean basically call them out? asks the ruffled
Democratic leadership. The answer to this lies at the heart of what the
Democratic party has been failing at for a while now. The voters who are
supposedly going to be alienated by this kind of talk are the very same
voters who look for guts, strength and straight talk from the leadership of
this country. All too often, Democratic leaders come off sounding like they
are saying seven things at once, leaving the impression that their spines
are somewhat slippery. Boldness, on the other hand, begets confidence, even
in disagreement.

    These Dean statements also, coincidentally, whip the Democratic base
into a roaring frenzy as they hear an actual Democratic leader speak their
beliefs out loud and in public. One of the things Dean is working on every
day is to redirect DNC fundraising away from the big-dollar donors who give
equally to both parties in order to hedge their bets. Dependence on this
breed of donor causes the party to crab towards the middle and avoid
anything resembling true opposition.

    Dean wants DNC fundraising efforts to be focused on the common citizen,
the Democratic activist who has been screaming at the party to say what must
be said, and Dean?s inflammatory statements spark the kind of donation
avalanche that turned his Presidential campaign into a financial juggernaut.
He may have lost in the end, but the manner in which he raised campaign
money changed the face of electoral politics. He is porting those lessons
into national DNC fundraising efforts, and statements like these go a long
way towards making those efforts wildly successful.

    Memo to Dean: Keep doing what you are doing. Lather, rinse, repeat.

 


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Jun 11 10:59:01 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Jun 10 21:06:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Query From Overseas
Message-ID: <BED07475.20947%michael@michaelbutler.com>


Michael Butler's Blog

http://www.michaelbutler.com/mbblog.html


From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sat Jun 11 13:35:08 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Fri Jun 10 23:42:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Yes, We Have No Bananas...
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Fri, 10 Jun 2005
	12:00:09 -0700
Message-ID: <13450-42AB4AFC-3092@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>


I just read what may well be one of those internet hoaxes--not to eat
bananas for the next three weeks, because those from Costa Rica might
contain the bacteria for one of those flesh-eating diseases...

Apparently, it's called "necrotizing fascitis..."

Which is interesting, because "necrotizing fascitis" is also what I've
thought, lately, of Bush, and his advisers....

;-)

From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 11 19:07:25 2005
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Sat Jun 11 05:14:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Query From Overseas
In-Reply-To: <BED07475.20947%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20050612020725.23106.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Michael. As always, your wisdom demands deep thought. Love your blogs, 
but most importantly - love you.
 
Love ~ Jonathon

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From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Sat Jun 11 05:33:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Query From Overseas
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Ditto that Jonathan...

 

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From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
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Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:07 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Query From Overseas

 

Thanks Michael. As always, your wisdom demands deep thought. Love your
blogs, 

but most importantly - love you.

 

Love ~ Jonathon

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Date: Sat Jun 11 05:54:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A washingtonpost.com article from: michael@intrafi.com
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Jun 11 19:51:00 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Jun 11 05:58:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Query From Overseas
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Message-ID: <BED0F124.2098F%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks so much.
XO Michael

> Thanks Michael. As always, your wisdom demands deep thought. Love your blogs,
> but most importantly - love you.
> 
> Love ~ Jonathon
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sat Jun 11 21:34:26 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sat Jun 11 07:41:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Yes, We Have No Bananas...
Message-ID: <286360-22005601243426982@M2W032.mail2web.com>

EEEk had not heard about this.
Sounds like  a hoax all right.


 Meanhwile, here in Tucson, I've had NINE collect calls (which i did not
accept)
 from Pima County jail today. The last one just at 9pm. 
A Spanish recording, with a brief English translation.

 I tried to call somebody, but only got a recording... 
 thinking the poor guy obviously had the wrong number 
and was  desperately trying to reach somebody. (Not me, of course!)
 then I hear it is a scam! no details yet.
 Dont' people have better things to do???

 I've had plantar fascitis. that is an injury of your heel, when you pull a
muscle away 
from the heel bone. sounds nasty, is painful and takes  about 6 months to
heal.

 Now, somebody could think of  "plantans" (a type of big banana eaten green)
and invent the banana story... yes? 
 no?
;-0
Dagmar

Original Message:
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From:  jameshburns@webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 16:35:08 -0400
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Yes, We Have No Bananas...



I just read what may well be one of those internet hoaxes--not to eat
bananas for the next three weeks, because those from Costa Rica might
contain the bacteria for one of those flesh-eating diseases...

Apparently, it's called "necrotizing fascitis..."

Which is interesting, because "necrotizing fascitis" is also what I've
thought, lately, of Bush, and his advisers....

;-)



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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Jun 12 03:30:04 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sat Jun 11 13:37:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Query From Overseas
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV20137DD69FADBB9C15AF43ABF10@phx.gbl>

Triple that Jonathon....   :-)>

peace, love and freedom,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: ace
Sent: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 19:26:37 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Query From Overseas

Ditto that Jonathan...

 

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From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Jonathon Johnson
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:07 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Query From Overseas

 

Thanks Michael. As always, your wisdom demands deep thought. Love your
blogs, 

but most importantly - love you.

 

Love ~ Jonathon

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to order it, visit www.goodhairdays.net <http://www.goodhairdays.net/> .
Visit our other websites at www.uversa.net <http://www.uversa.net/>  and
www.kidstherapyassociates.com <http://www.kidstherapyassociates.com/> . 

 

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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sun Jun 12 04:13:46 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sat Jun 11 14:20:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Dagmar's Plantans...
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Sat, 11 Jun 2005
	12:00:09 -0700
Message-ID: <25459-42AC18EA-31@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>


Now, Dagmar, you've just educated me...

I always though Plantars Fascitis was an allergic reaction--

To peanuts...

;-)

From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sun Jun 12 04:19:28 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sat Jun 11 14:26:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On Second Thought:
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Sat, 11 Jun 2005
	12:00:09 -0700
Message-ID: <25462-42AC1A40-4@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>


An allergic reaction, to totalitarian peanuts?

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Jun 12 09:39:57 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Jun 11 19:47:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Ministers Were Told of Need for Gulf War 'Excuse'
Message-ID: <BED1B36D.209BE%michael@michaelbutler.com>

    Go to Original

    Ministers Were Told of Need for Gulf War 'Excuse'
    By Michael Smith
    The Sunday Times UK

    Sunday 12 June 2005

    "The briefing paper, for participants at a meeting of Blair's inner
circle on July 23, 2002, said that since regime change was illegal it was
"necessary to create the conditions" which would make it legal."

    Ministers were warned in July 2002 that Britain was committed to taking
part in an American-led invasion of Iraq and they had no choice but to find
a way of making it legal.

    The warning, in a leaked Cabinet Office briefing paper, said Tony Blair
had already agreed to back military action to get rid of Saddam Hussein at a
summit at the Texas ranch of President George W Bush three months earlier.

    The briefing paper, for participants at a meeting of Blair's inner
circle on July 23, 2002, said that since regime change was illegal it was
"necessary to create the conditions" which would make it legal.

    This was required because, even if ministers decided Britain should not
take part in an invasion, the American military would be using British
bases. This would automatically make Britain complicit in any illegal US
action.

    "US plans assume, as a minimum, the use of British bases in Cyprus and
Diego Garcia," the briefing paper warned. This meant that issues of legality
"would arise virtually whatever option ministers choose with regard to UK
participation".

    The paper was circulated to those present at the meeting, among whom
were Blair, Geoff Hoon, then defence secretary, Jack Straw, the foreign
secretary, and Sir Richard Dearlove, then chief of MI6. The full minutes of
the meeting were published last month in The Sunday Times.

    The document said the only way the allies could justify military action
was to place Saddam Hussein in a position where he ignored or rejected a
United Nations ultimatum ordering him to co-operate with the weapons
inspectors. But it warned this would be difficult.

    "It is just possible that an ultimatum could be cast in terms which
Saddam would reject," the document says. But if he accepted it and did not
attack the allies, they would be "most unlikely" to obtain the legal
justification they needed.

    The suggestions that the allies use the UN to justify war contradicts
claims by Blair and Bush, repeated during their Washington summit last week,
that they turned to the UN in order to avoid having to go to war. The attack
on Iraq finally began in March 2003.

    The briefing paper is certain to add to the pressure, particularly on
the American president, because of the damaging revelation that Bush and
Blair agreed on regime change in April 2002 and then looked for a way to
justify it.

    There has been a growing storm of protest in America, created by last
month's publication of the minutes in The Sunday Times. A host of citizens,
including many internet bloggers, have demanded to know why the Downing
Street memo (often shortened to "the DSM" on websites) has been largely
ignored by the US mainstream media.

    The White House has declined to respond to a letter from 89 Democratic
congressmen asking if it was true - as Dearlove told the July meeting - that
"the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy" in
Washington.

    The Downing Street memo burst into the mainstream American media only
last week after it was raised at a joint Bush-Blair press conference,
forcing the prime minister to insist that "the facts were not fixed in any
shape or form at all".

    John Conyers, the Democratic congressman who drafted the letter to Bush,
has now written to Dearlove asking him to say whether or not it was accurate
that he believed the intelligence was being "fixed" around the policy. He
also asked the former MI6 chief precisely when Bush and Blair had agreed to
invade Iraq and whether it is true they agreed to "manufacture" the UN
ultimatum in order to justify the war.

    He and other Democratic congressmen plan to hold their own inquiry this
Thursday with witnesses including Joe Wilson, the American former ambassador
who went to Niger to investigate claims that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium
ore for its nuclear weapons programme.

    Frustrated at the refusal by the White House to respond to their letter,
the congressmen have set up a website - www.downingstreetmemo.com - to
collect signatures on a petition demanding the same answers.

    Conyers promised to deliver it to Bush once it reached 250,000
signatures. By Friday morning it already had more than 500,000 with as many
as 1m expected to have been obtained when he delivers it to the White House
on Thursday.

    AfterDowningStreet.org, another website set up as a result of the memo,
is calling for a congressional committee to consider whether Bush's actions
as depicted in the memo constitute grounds for impeachment.

    It has been flooded with visits from people angry at what they see as
media self-censorship in ignoring the memo. It claims to have attracted more
than 1m hits a day.

    Democrats.com, another website, even offered $1,000 (about ?550) to any
journalist who quizzed Bush about the memo's contents, although the Reuters
reporter who asked the question last Tuesday was not aware of the reward and
has no intention of claiming it.

    The complaints of media self-censorship have been backed up by the
ombudsmen of The Washington Post, The New York Times and National Public
Radio, who have questioned the lack of attention the minutes have received
from their organisations.

 


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Jun 12 13:00:56 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Jun 11 23:08:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Democracy in Action?
Message-ID: <BED1E288.209F8%michael@michaelbutler.com>

    Note: The entire hearing can be viewed at www.c-span.org.

    Democracy in Action?
    By Chip Pitts
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective

    Sunday 12 June 2005

    Friday's Congressional hearing on the USA Patriot Act and civil
liberties was indeed an interesting experience.

    The hearing, called under a special rule by the Democratic minority
members, was one of the relatively rare recent opportunities that a diverse
selection of Patriot Act critics have had to voice their concerns to
Congress, and the only opportunity thus far to begin to highlight the links
between the depredations of rights at home and abroad.

    It was also unique in ending abruptly in what the New York Times
described as "an angry uproar," the Washington Post called "a cacophony of
protests," and other news outlets simply agreed was "chaos."

    At issue was the USA Patriot Act, portions of which sunset at the end of
this year. The President gave yet another major speech urging complete
renewal of those provisions last week, and the Senate Intelligence Committee
after closed door hearings agreed with him that the law should not only be
preserved, but expanded.

    As if it's not enough that law enforcement can now obtain your library
and bookstore records in secret and without probable cause, clandestinely
search your home without prior notice, and consider you a terrorist for
peaceful civil disobedience, the Senate Intelligence Committee wants to
expand FBI administrative subpoena authority to obtain all kinds of records
without even the semblance of judicial review, and even allow them to get
copies of your mail.

    Not only my organization, Amnesty International, but groups ranging from
the ACLU and the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, to Bob Barr's
conservative coalition of gun owners and professional organizations
("Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances"), fault the administration's
unwillingness to acknowledge the invasions of constitutional rights
occasioned by the Patriot Act, and strongly oppose the unjustified
additional powers sought.

    As Fox News reported, "the hearing ended abruptly when committee
Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., abruptly gaveled the meeting to an end
and walked out, followed by other Republicans." Points of order raised by
the Democrats were ignored.

    Several Congressman at the hearing strongly criticized Amnesty
International, mischaracterizing our positions and even stating that we were
actually endangering American lives by documenting the administration's
tragic and counterproductive torture policy. I was prevented from
responding, until the barrage became so great that Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-
N.Y.) insisted, as a "point of decency," that I be allowed to do so.

    My response emphasized that it was not Amnesty International that
created the firestorm of outrage over the abuses at Guant?namo, Abu Ghraib,
and elsewhere - but the administration officials themselves. They were the
ones who constructed Guant?namo and other secret detention centers around
the world as legal "black holes," denied access to Amnesty and the Red Cross
and others, and created both the rationale and the environments conducive to
torture, ill-treatment, "disappearances," arbitrary detention, military
trials, and extra-judicial executions.

    Then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and Justice Department lawyers
drafted memos arguing that Guant?namo was beyond the law, that the
President's commander-in-chief authority allowed overriding rights in the
Constitution and international law, that customary international law doesn't
bind the President, and that "torture" could be narrowly redefined as
physical pain akin to that accompanying "death or organ failure" (so that
any physical abuse short of that would not be torture). The President
himself wrote that the Geneva Conventions would not be extended to those
deemed "al Qaeda" (without saying how membership in that organization would
be confirmed), and that those "legally entitled to humane treatment" would
be humanely treated (ignoring firm international law that everyone is
entitled to humane treatment). Defense Secretary Rumsfeld personally
authorized hiding "ghost detainees" from the Red Cross, as well as specific
torture techniques including forced nudity, the use of dogs, hooding,
sensory deprivation, and sleep deprivation.

    What subsequently happened to these officials? White House Counsel
Alberto Gonzales is the new US Attorney General. A chief author of the
Justice Department memos, Jay Bybee, is a new life-tenured federal judge.
Defense Secretary Rumsfeld continues his lively press conferences. And
President Bush was re-elected.

    Amnesty International's charges were repeatedly said at the hearing to
be "absurd," echoing the statements of the President and other top
administration officials to the same effect. What is truly absurd, even
Kafkaesque, is this administration's continued focus on language to distract
attention from the true issues and deny reality.

    The "Patriot" Act is the most un-Patriotic law since the short-lived
Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798. It undermines most of the core freedoms in
the Bill of Rights, including freedom of speech, religion, assembly, press,
privacy, due process, and equal protection. These are not just domestic
constitutional rights. They are also international human rights, applying to
everyone just because they are human, as does the right to be protected from
cruel, inhuman, degrading treatment, and torture.

    The administration defenders' refrain was that the Patriot Act has
"nothing to do" with Guant?namo, indefinite detention, or the violations
we're seeing around the world. But the underlying principles are no
different. The same overbroad, preemptive, secretive, subjective,
discriminatory, unchecked instances of executive power found throughout the
Patriot Act are clearly evident in the violations Amnesty and others have
documented at Guant?namo, Abu Ghraib, and elsewhere. All violate human
autonomy and dignity. All counterproductively undermine security as well as
liberty.

    The Justice Department's own Inspector General in 2003 documented
post-9/11 violations at home that were different only in degree, not in
kind, from those seen at Abu Ghraib and Guant?namo. Muslims and Arabs and
those mistaken for them (Sikhs and people of color generally) were treated
as sub-human, beaten, spat upon, their religion insulted, their access to
family, health care, and legal counsel denied. Some, like Mohammed Rafiq
Butt, died in custody in jails right here in the US Yet abuses at Abu Ghraib
and other detention centers abroad included many of the same practices used
at the Metropolitan detention center in Brooklyn, or in Texas or other US
prisons. Several of those implicated in the incidents abroad were previously
US corrections officials with a history of prisoner abuse.

    It pains me to say it, but a government that tolerates abuses at home is
unlikely to be scrupulous when it comes to abuses abroad. Yet in a bizarre
contortion of logic, some Congressmen at Friday's hearing placed the blame
for the upsurge in global hatred for America - that at the extreme will
inevitably manifest itself in increased terrorism - on Amnesty
International. Kafkaesque.

    Unbeknownst to most Americans, the administration has actively promoted
Patriot Act type legislation around the world. Almost every nation in the
world now has new counter-terror legislation, often modeled on the Patriot
Act, and often invading similarly fundamental rights. The result? A global
decline in the rule of law, with new space opened up for the rule of force
favored by terrorists.

    Amnesty International reiterates its call for Congress to appoint a
truly independent commission, to ask the hard questions about who is
responsible for the torture and ill-treatment now so clearly documented. And
Amnesty urges appointment of a Special Counsel to hold those responsible
accountable for their actions.

    The 9/11 Commission was similarly resisted by the administration until
public demands grew irresistible. As Friday's hearing shows, there's not
much tolerance for allowing questions in this case. But one thing's for
sure: neither the questions nor the drive for accountability are going away.

    Chip Pitts is Board Chair of Amnesty International USA, and a Board
Member of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee.

 


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Jun 12 18:16:13 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Jun 12 04:23:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The New York Times June 12,
	2005 Don't Follow the Money By FRANK RICH
Message-ID: <BED22C6D.20A1C%michael@michaelbutler.com>

 The New York Times
June 12, 2005
Don't Follow the Money
By FRANK RICH

THE morning the Deep Throat story broke, the voice on my answering machine
was as raspy as Hal Holbrook's. "I just want you to remember that I wrote
'Follow the money,' " said my caller. "I want to know if anybody will give
me credit. Watch for the accuracy of the media!"

The voice belonged to my friend William Goldman, who wrote the movie "All
the President's Men." His words proved more than a little prescient. As if
on cue, journalists everywhere - from The New York Times to The Economist to
The Washington Post itself - would soon start attributing this classic line
of dialogue to the newly unmasked Deep Throat, W. Mark Felt. But the line
was not in Woodward and Bernstein's book or in The Post's Watergate
reportage or in Bob Woodward's contemporaneous notes. It was the invention
of the author of "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid," "Marathon Man" and
"The Princess Bride."

This confusion of Hollywood's version of history with the genuine article
would quickly prove symptomatic of the overall unreality of the Deep Throat
coverage. Was Mr. Felt a hero or a villain? Should he "follow the money"
into a book deal, and if so, how would a 91-year-old showing signs of
dementia either write a book or schmooze about it with Larry King? How did
Vanity Fair scoop The Post? How does Robert Redford feel about it all? Such
were the questions that killed time for a nation awaiting the much-heralded
feature mediathon, the Michael Jackson verdict.

Richard Nixon and Watergate itself, meanwhile, were often reduced to
footnotes. Three years ago, on Watergate's 30th anniversary, an ABC News
poll found that two-thirds of Americans couldn't explain what the scandal
was, and no one was racing to enlighten them this time around. Vanity Fair
may have taken the trouble to remind us that Watergate was a web of crime
yielding the convictions and guilty pleas of more than 30 White House and
Nixon campaign officials, but few others did. Watergate has gone back to
being the "third-rate burglary" of Nixon administration spin. It is once
again being covered up.

Not without reason. Had the scandal been vividly resuscitated as the long
national nightmare it actually was, it would dampen all the Felt fun by
casting harsh light on our own present nightmare. "The fundamental right of
Americans, through our free press, to penetrate and criticize the workings
of our government is under attack as never before" was how the former Nixon
speech writer William Safire put it on this page almost nine months ago. The
current administration, a second-term imperial presidency that outstrips
Nixon's in hubris by the day, leads the attack, trying to intimidate and
snuff out any Woodwards or Bernsteins that might challenge it, any media
proprietor like Katharine Graham or editor like Ben Bradlee who might
support them and any anonymous source like Deep Throat who might enable them
to find what Carl Bernstein calls "the best obtainable version of the
truth."

The attacks continue to be so successful that even now, long after many news
organizations, including The Times, have been found guilty of failing to
puncture the administration's prewar W.M.D. hype, new details on that same
story are still being ignored or left uninvestigated. The July 2002 "Downing
Street memo," the minutes of a meeting in which Tony Blair and his advisers
learned of a White House effort to fix "the intelligence and facts" to
justify the war in Iraq, was published by The London Sunday Times on May 1.
Yet in the 19 daily Scott McClellan briefings that followed, the memo was
the subject of only 2 out of the approximately 940 questions asked by the
White House press corps, according to Eric Boehlert of Salon.

This is the kind of lapdog news media the Nixon White House cherished. To
foster it, Nixon's special counsel, Charles W. Colson, embarked on a
ruthless program of intimidation that included threatening antitrust action
against the networks if they didn't run pro-Nixon stories. Watergate tapes
and memos make Mr. Colson, who boasted of "destroying the old
establishment," sound like the founding father of today's blogging lynch
mobs. He exulted in bullying CBS to cut back its Watergate reports before
the '72 election. He enlisted NBC in pro-administration propaganda by
browbeating it to repackage 10-day-old coverage of Tricia Nixon's wedding as
a prime-time special. It was the Colson office as well that compiled a White
House enemies list that included journalists who had the audacity to
question administration policies.

Such is the equivalently supine state of much of the news media today that
Mr. Colson was repeatedly trotted out, without irony, to pass moral judgment
on Mr. Felt - and not just on Fox News, the cable channel that is actually
run by the former Nixon media maven, Roger Ailes. "I want kids to look up to
heroes," Mr. Colson said, oh so sorrowfully, on NBC's "Today" show,
condemning Mr. Felt for dishonoring "the confidence of the president of the
United States." Never mind that Mr. Colson dishonored the law, proposed
bombing the Brookings Institution and went to prison for his role in the
break-in to steal the psychiatric records of The Times's Deep Throat on
Vietnam, Daniel Ellsberg. The "Today" host, Matt Lauer, didn't mention any
of this - or even that his guest had done jail time. None of the other TV
anchors who interviewed Mr. Colson - and he was ubiquitous - ever specified
his criminal actions in the Nixon years. Some identified him onscreen only
as a "former White House counsel."

Had anyone been so rude (or professional) as to recount Mr. Colson's sordid
past, or to raise the question of whether he was a hero or a traitor, the
genealogical line between his Watergate-era machinations and those of his
present-day successors would have been all too painfully clear. The main
difference is that in the Nixon White House, the president's men plotted
behind closed doors. The current administration is now so brazen it does its
dirty work in plain sight.

In the most recent example, all the president's men slimed and intimidated
Newsweek by accusing it of being an accessory to 17 deaths for its errant
Koran story; led by Scott McClellan, they said it was unthinkable that any
American guard could be disrespectful of Islam's holy book. These
neo-Colsons easily drowned out Gen. Richard Myers, the chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff, and Afghanistan's president, Hamid Karzai, both of whom
said that the riots that led to the 17 deaths were unrelated to Newsweek.
Then came the pi?ce de r?sistance of Nixon mimicry: a Pentagon report
certifying desecrations of the Koran by American guards was released two
weeks after the Newsweek imbroglio, at 7:15 p.m. on a Friday, to assure it
would miss the evening newscasts and be buried in the Memorial Day weekend's
little-read papers.

At other times the new Colsons top the old one. Though Nixon aspired to
punish public broadcasting by cutting its funding, he never imagined that
his apparatchiks could seize the top executive positions at the Corporation
for Public Broadcasting. Nor did he come up with the brilliant ideas of
putting journalists covertly on the administration payroll and of hiring an
outside P.R. firm (Ketchum) to codify an enemies list by ranking news
organizations and individual reporters on the basis of how favorably they
cover a specific administration policy (No Child Left Behind). President
Bush has even succeeded in emasculating the post-Watergate reform that was
supposed to help curb Nixonian secrecy, the Presidential Records Act of
1978.

THE journalists who do note the resonances of now with then rarely get to
connect those dots on the news media's center stage of television. You are
more likely to hear instead of how Watergate inspired too much "gotcha"
journalism. That's a rather absurd premise given that no "gotcha" journalist
got the goods on the biggest story of our time: the false intimations of
incipient mushroom clouds peddled by American officials to sell a war that
now threatens to match the unpopularity and marathon length of Vietnam.

Only once during the Deep Throat rollout did I see a palpable, if perhaps
unconscious, effort to link the White House of 1972 with that of 2005. It
occurred at the start, when ABC News, with the first comprehensive report on
Vanity Fair's scoop, interrupted President Bush's post-Memorial Day Rose
Garden news conference to break the story. Suddenly the image of the current
president blathering on about how hunky-dory everything is in Iraq was
usurped by repeated showings of the scene in which the newly resigned Nixon
walked across the adjacent White House lawn to the helicopter that would
carry him into exile.

But in the days that followed, Nixon and his history and the long shadows
they cast largely vanished from the TV screen. In their place were constant
nostalgic replays of young Redford and flinty Holbrook. Follow the
bait-and-switch.

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From sherwin at aceross.com  Sun Jun 12 19:08:49 2005
From: sherwin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Sun Jun 12 05:16:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20050613020851.6C95F3AE741@lax-gw06.mroute.net>

Whatever we plant in our subconscious mind and nourish with repetition and
emotion will one day become a 

reality.     

 - - Earl Nightingale -      

 

 

 

 

Sherwin Ross

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From: sherwin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Sun Jun 12 05:45:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] mars
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MARS SPECTACULAR! 

The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! This month and next, Earth is 

catching up with Mars in an encounter that will culminate in the closest 

approach between the two planets in recorded history. The next time Mars 

may come this close is in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on 

Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be certain that Mars has 

not come this close to Earth in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long 

as 60,000 years before it happens again. The encounter will culminate on 

August 27th when Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and will 

be, next to the moon, the brightest object in the night sky. It will attain
a 

magnitude of -2.9 and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide. At a modest 75-

power magnification, Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked 

eye. Mars will be easy to spot. At the beginning of August, it will rise in
the 

east at 10 PM and reach its azimuth at about 3 AM. By the end of August 

when the two planets are closest, Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its 

highest point in the sky at 12:30 AM. That's pretty convenient to see 

something no human being has seen in recorded history. So, mark your 

calendar at the beginning of August to see Mars grow progressively brighter 

and brighter throughout the month. 

Share this with your children and grandchildren. NO ONE ALIVE 

TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN. 

TOC

 

 

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From: sherwin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Sun Jun 12 05:47:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] foundationforthestudyofcycles.org
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http://www.foundationforthestudyofcycles.org/

 

 

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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 13 06:42:56 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Sun Jun 12 18:16:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
Message-ID: <BAY104-F33FBD66534905ABD8531A4ADF00@phx.gbl>

Hello everyone!

My dream (of 8 years) of directing HAIR is finally coming true!!!!!

I thought I was planning ahead, but as I am more creative than logistic, I 
am slightly overwhelmed right now.  Have any of you ever put on HAIR in a 
medium-small Southern town???

*I have a really cool educational component to the project (four seminars to 
contextualize the musical: 1) Vietnam, a history 2) LSD a -go-go: Drugs and 
the '60s 3) Astrology and the age of Aquarius, and 4) Civil Rights from the 
'60s to now~ presented by Gary Orfield, the Co-Director of the Civil Rights 
project from Harvard!

If anyone wants to participate in any of these panels (and come to 
Asheville), let me know~ I'll try to get money from the local universities!

I'm so excited to be on this list! Nice to meet everyone~ have a beautiful 
day.

Peace,
Katie Kasben
Asheville, NC


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Jun 13 08:44:50 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sun Jun 12 18:52:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
References: <BAY104-F33FBD66534905ABD8531A4ADF00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000401c5702e$d5a5da30$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Hi Katie

Welcome to the list, you have found the right place for insight into helping 
you with your production.Also your seminars sound quite interesting.

Love forever
Robin

http://lpintop.tripod.com/robinmcnamara/





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC


> Hello everyone!
>
> My dream (of 8 years) of directing HAIR is finally coming true!!!!!
>
> I thought I was planning ahead, but as I am more creative than logistic, I 
> am slightly overwhelmed right now.  Have any of you ever put on HAIR in a 
> medium-small Southern town???
>
> *I have a really cool educational component to the project (four seminars 
> to contextualize the musical: 1) Vietnam, a history 2) LSD a -go-go: Drugs 
> and the '60s 3) Astrology and the age of Aquarius, and 4) Civil Rights 
> from the '60s to now~ presented by Gary Orfield, the Co-Director of the 
> Civil Rights project from Harvard!
>
> If anyone wants to participate in any of these panels (and come to 
> Asheville), let me know~ I'll try to get money from the local 
> universities!
>
> I'm so excited to be on this list! Nice to meet everyone~ have a beautiful 
> day.
>
> Peace,
> Katie Kasben
> Asheville, NC
>
>
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
>
>
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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 13 08:51:40 2005
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Sun Jun 12 18:59:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F33FBD66534905ABD8531A4ADF00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050613155141.57927.qmail@web53409.mail.yahoo.com>

Welcome aboard Katie! Anything we can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask. 
There is a great deal of Hair experience on this list.
 
Peace and Blessings ~ Jonathon




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From: MARRAKI at aol.com (MARRAKI@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jun 12 19:02:10 2005
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Jun 13 08:56:35 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Jun 12 19:03:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F33FBD66534905ABD8531A4ADF00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BED2FAC3.20A63%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Katie,

When is your schedule?
I would be happy to come.

Irie,
Michael
--Those who have experienced altered forms of consciousness, by whatever
means, never forget that space in which they have been. Now that they have
learned how to function within the system, it is time they act to run it. MB




> Hello everyone!
> 
> My dream (of 8 years) of directing HAIR is finally coming true!!!!!
> 
> I thought I was planning ahead, but as I am more creative than logistic, I
> am slightly overwhelmed right now.  Have any of you ever put on HAIR in a
> medium-small Southern town???
> 
> *I have a really cool educational component to the project (four seminars to
> contextualize the musical: 1) Vietnam, a history 2) LSD a -go-go: Drugs and
> the '60s 3) Astrology and the age of Aquarius, and 4) Civil Rights from the
> '60s to now~ presented by Gary Orfield, the Co-Director of the Civil Rights
> project from Harvard!
> 
> If anyone wants to participate in any of these panels (and come to
> Asheville), let me know~ I'll try to get money from the local universities!
> 
> I'm so excited to be on this list! Nice to meet everyone~ have a beautiful
> day.
> 
> Peace,
> Katie Kasben
> Asheville, NC
> 
> 
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Jun 13 10:26:34 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun 12 20:34:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
References: <BAY104-F33FBD66534905ABD8531A4ADF00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001201c5703d$0c5f3810$6e436c42@hotprojects>

good luck katie
mazel tov
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC


> Hello everyone!
>
> My dream (of 8 years) of directing HAIR is finally coming true!!!!!
>
> I thought I was planning ahead, but as I am more creative than logistic, I
> am slightly overwhelmed right now.  Have any of you ever put on HAIR in a
> medium-small Southern town???
>
> *I have a really cool educational component to the project (four seminars
to
> contextualize the musical: 1) Vietnam, a history 2) LSD a -go-go: Drugs
and
> the '60s 3) Astrology and the age of Aquarius, and 4) Civil Rights from
the
> '60s to now~ presented by Gary Orfield, the Co-Director of the Civil
Rights
> project from Harvard!
>
> If anyone wants to participate in any of these panels (and come to
> Asheville), let me know~ I'll try to get money from the local
universities!
>
> I'm so excited to be on this list! Nice to meet everyone~ have a beautiful
> day.
>
> Peace,
> Katie Kasben
> Asheville, NC
>
>
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From michael at intrafi.com  Mon Jun 13 17:27:15 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Mon Jun 13 03:34:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Born on the Fourth of July: The Long Journey
	Home
Message-ID: <20050614002715.30C59B807A@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



-------------------------------------
Born on the Fourth of July: The Long Journey Home
http://www.alternet.org/story/22181

The author shares the inspiration behind his classic antiwar memoir: 'I wanted people to know what it really meant to be in a war--to be shot and wounded, to be fighting for my life on the intensive care ward--not the myth we had grown up believing.'
-------------------------------------

From michael at intrafi.com  Mon Jun 13 17:28:43 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Mon Jun 13 03:36:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: The New Blacklist
Message-ID: <20050614002843.BF834B807A@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



-------------------------------------
The New Blacklist
http://www.alternet.org/story/22206

The Christian right has launched a series of boycotts and pressure campaigns aimed at corporate America -- and at its sponsorship of entertainment, programs and activities they don't like.
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From rgrady at rcn.com  Mon Jun 13 19:58:08 2005
From: rgrady at rcn.com (Ross Tatum)
Date: Mon Jun 13 06:05:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair at the "Fame" school
Message-ID: <000001c5708c$e95a0390$1902a8c0@Grady>

Greetings from LaGuardia High School of Performing Arts,
My name is Ross Tatum and I'm elated to announce that we will be
mounting a production of Hair at LaGuardia (NYC) on Dec. 8th,9th,10th
and the15th, 16th, 17th. My wife and I attended the Bridgeport
production and had the pleasure of meeting Michael Butler, Nina M.
Dayton, Robert Camuto, Ross MacLean and many other wonderful Hair alumni
who welcomed us with open arms and offered their help and input with the
production. What a blessing to have been in the right place at the right
time. After spending time with everyone after the show my wife and I
realized we were about to embark on a trip of life-changing proportions.
The love and familial power in the room was palpable. We are so lucky to
be a part of the Hair Universe. And my students at LaGuardia are buzzed
about the show and very excited about experiencing Hair. Please try to
make it to the show. My wife and I hope to see all of you at LaMama.
Peace and Love,
Ross
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From ace at aceross.com  Mon Jun 13 20:02:13 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Mon Jun 13 06:09:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair at the "Fame" school
In-Reply-To: <000001c5708c$e95a0390$1902a8c0@Grady>
Message-ID: <20050614030217.438769FC70@lax-gw05.mroute.net>

http://www.aceross.com/BridgeportMAy212005.htm

 

Hi Ross,

 

It was great to meet you in Bridgeport..Here are the photo's.

 

Sherwin Ross

 

  _____  

From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Ross Tatum
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 7:58 PM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair at the "Fame" school

 

Greetings from LaGuardia High School of Performing Arts,

My name is Ross Tatum and I'm elated to announce that we will be mounting a
production of Hair at LaGuardia (NYC) on Dec. 8th,9th,10th and the15th,
16th, 17th. My wife and I attended the Bridgeport production and had the
pleasure of meeting Michael Butler, Nina M. Dayton, Robert Camuto, Ross
MacLean and many other wonderful Hair alumni who welcomed us with open arms
and offered their help and input with the production. What a blessing to
have been in the right place at the right time. After spending time with
everyone after the show my wife and I realized we were about to embark on a
trip of life-changing proportions. The love and familial power in the room
was palpable. We are so lucky to be a part of the Hair Universe. And my
students at LaGuardia are buzzed about the show and very excited about
experiencing Hair. Please try to make it to the show. My wife and I hope to
see all of you at LaMama.

Peace and Love,

Ross

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From info at amerifilmcasting.com  Mon Jun 13 20:26:11 2005
From: info at amerifilmcasting.com (info@amerifilmcasting.com)
Date: Mon Jun 13 06:33:56 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FAME HAIR
Message-ID: <200506140326.j5E3QBvv013242@web157.megawebservers.com>



Ross -
Good luck putting the show together.  With your enthusiasm I'm sure it will be
great. I'll absolutely attend!  By the way, did you ever see the Peter
Jennings special 2002 In Search of America where they profiled a high school
in Boulder doing the show?  I just watched it the other night and was so moved
- the kids were so amazing and their whole learning and growth experience was
so beautiful.
I have a copy of it here in NYC if you want to see it.  I gave you my card in
Bridgeport.

Meredith Marciano 
From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Tue Jun 14 03:45:35 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Jun 13 13:52:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair at the "Fame" school
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV23AC4519DCACD68B12191DABF30@phx.gbl>

Hello Ross.....

Where is LaGuardia High School?

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Tatum
Sent: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:58:08 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair at the "Fame" school

Greetings from LaGuardia High School of Performing Arts,
My name is Ross Tatum and I'm elated to announce that we will be
mounting a production of Hair at LaGuardia (NYC) on Dec. 8th,9th,10th
and the15th, 16th, 17th. My wife and I attended the Bridgeport
production and had the pleasure of meeting Michael Butler, Nina M.
Dayton, Robert Camuto, Ross MacLean and many other wonderful Hair alumni
who welcomed us with open arms and offered their help and input with the
production. What a blessing to have been in the right place at the right
time. After spending time with everyone after the show my wife and I
realized we were about to embark on a trip of life-changing proportions.
The love and familial power in the room was palpable. We are so lucky to
be a part of the Hair Universe. And my students at LaGuardia are buzzed
about the show and very excited about experiencing Hair. Please try to
make it to the show. My wife and I hope to see all of you at LaMama.
Peace and Love,
Ross


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 14 07:33:34 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Mon Jun 13 17:40:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F33FBD66534905ABD8531A4ADF00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F36AB21399CCE046AA2E64BB2F30@phx.gbl>

Welcome Katie! Glad to have you join us. Including those seminars into your 
production process is a wonderful idea. We look forward to hearing more.
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
>Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 13:42:56 +0000
>
>Hello everyone!
>
>My dream (of 8 years) of directing HAIR is finally coming true!!!!!
>
>I thought I was planning ahead, but as I am more creative than logistic, I 
>am slightly overwhelmed right now.  Have any of you ever put on HAIR in a 
>medium-small Southern town???
>
>*I have a really cool educational component to the project (four seminars 
>to contextualize the musical: 1) Vietnam, a history 2) LSD a -go-go: Drugs 
>and the '60s 3) Astrology and the age of Aquarius, and 4) Civil Rights from 
>the '60s to now~ presented by Gary Orfield, the Co-Director of the Civil 
>Rights project from Harvard!
>
>If anyone wants to participate in any of these panels (and come to 
>Asheville), let me know~ I'll try to get money from the local universities!
>
>I'm so excited to be on this list! Nice to meet everyone~ have a beautiful 
>day.
>
>Peace,
>Katie Kasben
>Asheville, NC
>
>
>ALOHA NUI LOA!
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Mb-hair mailing list
>Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair


From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 14 07:49:25 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Mon Jun 13 17:56:44 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] September 9--10, 2005 The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
In-Reply-To: <BED2FAC3.20A63%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F29B06AE4C6727E58074DEEADF30@phx.gbl>

Good Morning Michael, (and everyone)

How wonderful!  We have a huge street fair in Asheville on September 4th 
(Lexington Avenue Arts and Fun Festival) and then Sept. 8th and 9th I have 
Gary Orfield (the Co-Director of the Civil Rights project at Harvard) coming 
to do a radio interview and then two pre-show talks about civil rights!!!

The acutal show is September 9th and 10th

You are welcome here for as long as you'd like to stay (everyone loves 
coming to Asheville! and if anyone lives nearby, you are, of course, most 
welcome!!!).
Let me know if you'd like to participate in the educational component (you 
would be incredibly inspiring to our local arts community).

Thank you so much~ I look forward to talking with you!!!

Peace!
Katie Kasben
Asheville, NC


From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 14 08:16:06 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Mon Jun 13 18:23:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] September 9--10, 2005 The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
In-Reply-To: <BED2FAC3.20A63%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F24CC653F18989C3DC15C1FADF30@phx.gbl>

Good Morning Michael, (and everyone)

How wonderful!  We have a huge street fair in Asheville on September 4th 
(Lexington Avenue Arts and Fun Festival) and then Sept. 8th and 9th I have 
Gary Orfield (the Co-Director of the Civil Rights project at Harvard) coming 
to do a radio interview and then two pre-show talks about civil rights!!!

The acutal show is September 9th and 10th

You are welcome here for as long as you'd like to stay (everyone loves 
coming to Asheville! and if anyone lives nearby, you are, of course, most 
welcome!!!).
Let me know if you'd like to participate in the educational component (you 
would be incredibly inspiring to our local arts community).

Thank you so much~ I look forward to talking with you!!!

Peace!
Katie Kasben
Asheville, NC


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 14 08:25:16 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Mon Jun 13 18:32:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair at the "Fame" school
In-Reply-To: <000001c5708c$e95a0390$1902a8c0@Grady>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F314159299C3D33C0871B8EB2F30@phx.gbl>

Welcome Ross! I am pleased you have made your presence known! It was great 
having you and Kathy there in Broadgeport, and I look forward to your 
Archives visit later this summer.

Barbara - Laguardia HS is behind Lincoln Center in New York City. It was 
created when Performing Arts High School and Music & Arts High School 
merged.

Ross - I look forward to hearing about your journey as it progresses!
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 14 08:37:10 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Mon Jun 13 18:52:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] (no subject)
Message-ID: <BAY104-F23DCB679F0DD8D77A95CDDB2F30@phx.gbl>

Thought you all might like to see these photos from Bridgeport May 21, 2005. 
The theater asked the alumni present to pose on the stage in front of the 
set (best set I've seen since the first run productions!)

Back row, L to R: Michael Arian, Michael Butler, Bill Swiggard
Front Row, L to R, Debbie Andrews, Nina Machlin Dayton, Dale Soules, Natalie 
Mosco, Robert Camuto, and (in one photo) the sound designer from Downtown 
Cabaret Theatre - Jeff something....

Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Jun 14 09:00:14 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Jun 13 19:07:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F23DCB679F0DD8D77A95CDDB2F30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BED44D1E.20B1F%michael@michaelbutler.com>

How nice and thanks for sending.
Love Michael

> Thought you all might like to see these photos from Bridgeport May 21, 2005.
> The theater asked the alumni present to pose on the stage in front of the
> set (best set I've seen since the first run productions!)
> 
> Back row, L to R: Michael Arian, Michael Butler, Bill Swiggard
> Front Row, L to R, Debbie Andrews, Nina Machlin Dayton, Dale Soules, Natalie
> Mosco, Robert Camuto, and (in one photo) the sound designer from Downtown
> Cabaret Theatre - Jeff something....
> 
> Love,
> Nina
> 
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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> 

From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 14 09:04:27 2005
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Mon Jun 13 19:11:49 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F23DCB679F0DD8D77A95CDDB2F30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050614160427.70356.qmail@web53404.mail.yahoo.com>

Super pictures Nina. Thanks for sharing.
 
Love ~ Jonathon


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Good HAIR Days: A Personal Journey with the American Tribal Love-Rock Musical HAIR, by Jonathon Johnson. For more information on the book and how to order it, visit www.goodhairdays.net. Visit our other websites at www.uversa.net and www.kidstherapyassociates.com. 
 



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From moveon-help at list.moveon.org  Tue Jun 14 09:40:54 2005
From: moveon-help at list.moveon.org (Noah T. Winer, MoveOn.org)
Date: Mon Jun 13 20:00:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] This time, it's for real: Save NPR and PBS
Message-ID: <200506140300.j5E30RAZ001564@dune.islandtechnologies.net>

Dear MoveOn member,

You know that email petition that keeps circulating about how Congress is
slashing funding for NPR and PBS? Well, now it's actually true. (Really.
Check the footnotes if you don't believe us.)

A House panel has voted to eliminate all public funding for NPR and PBS, 
starting with "Sesame Street," "Reading Rainbow," and other 
commercial-free children's shows. If approved, this would be the most 
severe cut in the history of public broadcasting, threatening to pull 
the plug on Big Bird, Cookie Monster and Oscar the Grouch.

Sign the petition telling Congress to save NPR and PBS:

http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/?id=5663-615480-BrmD5p6zEZN1_qiASPVCow&t=3

If we can reach 250,000 signatures by the end of the week, we'll put 
Congress on notice. After you sign the petition, please pass this 
message along to any friends, neighbors or co-workers who count on NPR 
and PBS.

The cuts would slash 25% of the federal funding this year -- $100 
million -- and end funding altogether within two years [1]. In 
particular, the loss could kill beloved children's shows like "Sesame 
Street," "Clifford the Big Red Dog," "Arthur" and "Postcards from 
Buster." Rural stations and those serving low-income communities might 
not survive. Other stations would have to increase corporate 
sponsorships.

This shameful vote is only the latest partisan assault on public TV and 
radio. The Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which exists to shield 
public TV and radio from political pressure, is now chaired by Kenneth 
Tomlinson, a staunch Republican close to the White House. Tomlinson has 
already forced one-sided conservative programs on the air, even though 
Tomlinson's own surveys show that most people consider NPR "fair and 
balanced" and they actually trust public broadcasting more than 
commercial network news [2].

Tomlinson also spent taxpayer dollars on a witch hunt to root out 
"liberal bias," including a secret investigation of Bill Moyers and PBS' 
popular investigative show, "NOW." Even though the public paid for the 
investigation, Tomlinson has refused to release the findings [3].

The lawmakers who proposed the cuts aren't just trying to save money in 
the budget -- they're trying to decimate any news outlets who question 
those in power. This is an ideological attack on our free press.

Talk about bad timing. Every day brings another story about media 
consolidation. Radio, TV stations and newspapers are increasingly 
controlled by a few massive corporate conglomerates trying to maximize 
profits at the expense of quality journalism. Now more than ever, we 
need publicly funded media who will ask hard questions and focus on 
stories that affect real people, instead of Michael Jackson and the 
runaway bride.

As the House and Senate consider this frightening effort to kill public
broadcasting, they need to hear from its owners -- you.

http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/?id=5663-615480-BrmD5p6zEZN1_qiASPVCow&t=4

Thank you for all you do,

--Noah, Wes, Jennifer, Eli and the MoveOn.org Team
  Tuesday, June 14th, 2005

P.S. You can learn more about the threat to public broadcasting from our 
friends at Free Press at:

http://www.moveon.org/r?r=748

Sources:

1. "Public Broadcasting Targeted By House," Washington Post, June 10, 2005
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=745

2. "CPB's 'Secrets and Lies': Why the CPB Board Hid its Polls Revealing
Broad Public Support for PBS and NPR," Center for Digital Democracy, April
27, 2005
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=746

3. "Republican Chairman Exerts Pressure on PBS, Alleging Biases," New York
Times, May 2, 2005
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0502-01.htm

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Jun 14 10:01:52 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Jun 13 20:09:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] September 9--10, 2005 The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F29B06AE4C6727E58074DEEADF30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BED45B90.20B40%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Katie,

I would like to participate, particularly in the Civil Rights aspect.
Actually it was Civil Rights (The Kerner Commission) which brought me to NYC
and Hair.
However we are having The Hair Foundation's Tribal Reunion at LaMama on Sept
10. 
We have to sort out flights on the 10th.

Please advise,
Michael

> Good Morning Michael, (and everyone)
> 
> How wonderful!  We have a huge street fair in Asheville on September 4th
> (Lexington Avenue Arts and Fun Festival) and then Sept. 8th and 9th I have
> Gary Orfield (the Co-Director of the Civil Rights project at Harvard) coming
> to do a radio interview and then two pre-show talks about civil rights!!!
> 
> The acutal show is September 9th and 10th
> 
> You are welcome here for as long as you'd like to stay (everyone loves
> coming to Asheville! and if anyone lives nearby, you are, of course, most
> welcome!!!).
> Let me know if you'd like to participate in the educational component (you
> would be incredibly inspiring to our local arts community).
> 
> Thank you so much~ I look forward to talking with you!!!
> 
> Peace!
> Katie Kasben
> Asheville, NC
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From sherwin at aceross.com  Tue Jun 14 10:09:36 2005
From: sherwin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Mon Jun 13 20:17:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] (no subject)
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Tue Jun 14 13:46:18 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Jun 13 23:53:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair at the "Fame" school
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV10B3BE907B7025EF0DF8B8ABF30@phx.gbl>

Aha That is why I did not recognize it... when I lived in NYC the school was on the East Side near the UN........ Wasn't it?

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Little Birdie
Sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:25:16 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Hair at the "Fame" school

Welcome Ross! I am pleased you have made your presence known! It was great 
having you and Kathy there in Broadgeport, and I look forward to your 
Archives visit later this summer.

Barbara - Laguardia HS is behind Lincoln Center in New York City. It was 
created when Performing Arts High School and Music & Arts High School 
merged.

Ross - I look forward to hearing about your journey as it progresses!
Nina

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http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 14 13:13:17 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Tue Jun 14 01:15:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
Message-ID: <BAY104-F1235A2763FF90EEF11F7B8ADF30@phx.gbl>

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

I have never felt so welcomed on a listserve before.

I was born in the Philippines (but I'm Irish/Italian/Polish by birth, Asian 
at heart) at the end of the Vietnam war.  My mother was the only female 
liason for the returning P.O.W.s and I believe she was also involved with 
the baby lift operation.   And in 1994 I wen to Saigon while on an 
educational excange.  I have never met a more beautiful people, nor was I 
prepared for my own reaction (especially after going to Cu Chi and then the 
Saigon War Crimes museum- which is the most honest depiction of the war, and 
most objective, I've ever seen).
Last year I worked on the Kerry campaign and when a local conservative group 
held a showing of the negative Kerry documentary, my parents and I went to 
be the voice of dissent. My father (also a veteran) was basically shouted 
down, they wouldn't let me (or any women) speak, and the veterans for peace 
who were there were not even allowed to finish talking because they were 
booed.  I couln't stop crying when it was over.  I felt like I was in Poland 
and the year was 1939. It was terrifying.  No one would listen.
but it's so not simple!  A dear friend of ours was a P.O.W. in Laos for FIVE 
YEARS and he hates Kerry and war protesters (doesn't like Bush though).  I 
feel like we are being pulled apart again~
but since it's not new, my generation is way too apathetic and complacent.

I think the hardest part is going to be letting go.  I know I can't single 
handedly change the world, but I certainly do believe we will all be changed 
by this project.  Thank you so much for letting me have a safe place to 
speak.

I've included my first press release~ I haven't sent it out yet.
And I did have a question:
If we are going to donate any profit to the Western North Carolina Coalition 
for Peace, would Tams-Whitmark give us a deal, or would Equity let my friend 
who is an actor in NYC come down for free?

THANK YOU!
PEACE!

Love,
Katie K.
Asheville

ALOHA NUI LOA!

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Jun 14 15:58:15 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Jun 14 02:05:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F1235A2763FF90EEF11F7B8ADF30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BED4AF17.20B84%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Doubtful that Tams will give any deal.
Equity might.
Doesn't hurt to ask them.
Michael
> THANK YOU SO MUCH!
> 
> I have never felt so welcomed on a listserve before.
> 
> I was born in the Philippines (but I'm Irish/Italian/Polish by birth, Asian
> at heart) at the end of the Vietnam war.  My mother was the only female
> liason for the returning P.O.W.s and I believe she was also involved with
> the baby lift operation.   And in 1994 I wen to Saigon while on an
> educational excange.  I have never met a more beautiful people, nor was I
> prepared for my own reaction (especially after going to Cu Chi and then the
> Saigon War Crimes museum- which is the most honest depiction of the war, and
> most objective, I've ever seen).
> Last year I worked on the Kerry campaign and when a local conservative group
> held a showing of the negative Kerry documentary, my parents and I went to
> be the voice of dissent. My father (also a veteran) was basically shouted
> down, they wouldn't let me (or any women) speak, and the veterans for peace
> who were there were not even allowed to finish talking because they were
> booed.  I couln't stop crying when it was over.  I felt like I was in Poland
> and the year was 1939. It was terrifying.  No one would listen.
> but it's so not simple!  A dear friend of ours was a P.O.W. in Laos for FIVE
> YEARS and he hates Kerry and war protesters (doesn't like Bush though).  I
> feel like we are being pulled apart again~
> but since it's not new, my generation is way too apathetic and complacent.
> 
> I think the hardest part is going to be letting go.  I know I can't single
> handedly change the world, but I certainly do believe we will all be changed
> by this project.  Thank you so much for letting me have a safe place to
> speak.
> 
> I've included my first press release~ I haven't sent it out yet.
> And I did have a question:
> If we are going to donate any profit to the Western North Carolina Coalition
> for Peace, would Tams-Whitmark give us a deal, or would Equity let my friend
> who is an actor in NYC come down for free?
> 
> THANK YOU!
> PEACE!
> 
> Love,
> Katie K.
> Asheville
> 
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 

From michael at intrafi.com  Tue Jun 14 16:58:50 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Tue Jun 14 03:06:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Lovesick Cruise et al. is bad reality TV
Message-ID: <29289119.1118793530298.JavaMail.turbine@s75>

This story was sent to you by: michael butler

--------------------
Lovesick Cruise et al. is bad reality TV 
--------------------

Somewhere at the intersection between aberrant star behavior and insatiable audience voyeurism, we've created a new entertainment form: celebrity reality TV.

By Patrick Goldstein
Times Staff Writer

Jun 14 2005

The last few weeks have been a Lollapalooza when it comes to our unending fascination with strange celebrity behavior. Just consider: Russell Crowe has been on an apology PR tour after heaving a telephone at a hotel desk clerk. Lindsay Lohan has been reduced to denying reports that Disney had her much-gossiped-about breasts digitally reduced to avoid offending families coming to see "Herbie: Fully Loaded." Brad Pitt took "Primetime Live" sob-sister Diane Sawyer all the way to poverty-ridden Ethiopia to avoid talking about Angelina Jolie, only to find himself inundated with insinuating queries about his busted marriage. Jolie had her lawyer warning interviewers about discussing her personal life. Christian Slater managed to get arrested for allegedly groping a woman's bottom on a New York street corner. 

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.calendarlive.com/printedition/calendar/cl-et-goldstein14jun14,0,6120538.story
From michael at intrafi.com  Tue Jun 14 17:02:29 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Tue Jun 14 03:09:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Pattern of Deception Persists in Tillman's Death
Message-ID: <31197956.1118793749956.JavaMail.turbine@s80>

This story was sent to you by: michael butler

--------------------
Pattern of Deception Persists in Tillman's Death 
--------------------

Army's latest statement just doesn't wash.

Robert Scheer

June 14 2005

On Saturday, Mary Tillman went to a graduation party, corrected essays written by her junior high school students and got the house ready for a visit from her mother. Life goes on, even though the "friendly fire" death in Afghanistan of her famous football-playing son never fully leaves her thoughts. 

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-scheer14jun14,0,1246392.column 

Visit latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com
From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Tue Jun 14 18:31:10 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Tue Jun 14 04:38:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re:  The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
References: <200506131900.j5DJ08pZ000558@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <000601c57149$e8edb150$6401a8c0@Leo>

Katie, welcome aboard sister! Directing HAIR is an exciting adventure and a 
life altering experience. You will be blown away by the the discoveries you 
and tribe encounter. Enjoy the trip and remember the plethora of help 
available to you here.

PEACE,
Leo

>> Hello everyone!
>> My dream (of 8 years) of directing HAIR is finally coming true!!!!!
>> I thought I was planning ahead, but as I am more creative than logistic, 
>> I
>> am slightly overwhelmed right now.  Have any of you ever put on HAIR in a
>> medium-small Southern town???
>> *I have a really cool educational component to the project (four seminars 
>> to
>> contextualize the musical: 1) Vietnam, a history 2) LSD a -go-go: Drugs 
>> and
>> the '60s 3) Astrology and the age of Aquarius, and 4) Civil Rights from 
>> the
>> '60s to now~ presented by Gary Orfield, the Co-Director of the Civil 
>> Rights
>> project from Harvard!
>> If anyone wants to participate in any of these panels (and come to
>> Asheville), let me know~ I'll try to get money from the local 
>> universities!
>> I'm so excited to be on this list! Nice to meet everyone~ have a 
>> beautiful
>> day.
>> Peace,
>> Katie Kasben
>> Asheville, NC
>> ALOHA NUI LOA!


From michael at intrafi.com  Tue Jun 14 18:35:35 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Tue Jun 14 04:43:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Downing Street Directive
Message-ID: <20050615013535.9B360B807D@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



-------------------------------------
Downing Street Directive
http://www.alternet.org/story/22220

In the wake of newly uncovered British documents showing there was no postwar plan for Iraq, critics are launching a renewed offensive against the Bush administration and its justification for war.
-------------------------------------

From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Tue Jun 14 18:37:40 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Tue Jun 14 04:44:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair at the "Fame" school
References: <200506131900.j5DJ08pZ000558@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <000901c5714a$d1466fa0$6401a8c0@Leo>

Hey Ross, glad you found your way onto the list and it was great chatting 
with you and your wife at the Bridgeport gathering. I don't know how many 
trips I can muster to NYC but by all the HAIR gods, if there's a will (which 
there most definitely is) I'll find a way! The process of mounting HAIR is 
indescribable. Enjoy the journey my brother.

PEACE,
Leo

On Behalf Of Ross Tatum
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair at the "Fame" school



Greetings from LaGuardia High School of Performing Arts,

My name is Ross Tatum and I'm elated to announce that we will be mounting a
production of Hair at LaGuardia (NYC) on Dec. 8th,9th,10th and the15th,
16th, 17th. My wife and I attended the Bridgeport production and had the
pleasure of meeting Michael Butler, Nina M. Dayton, Robert Camuto, Ross
MacLean and many other wonderful Hair alumni who welcomed us with open arms
and offered their help and input with the production. What a blessing to
have been in the right place at the right time. After spending time with
everyone after the show my wife and I realized we were about to embark on a
trip of life-changing proportions. The love and familial power in the room
was palpable. We are so lucky to be a part of the Hair Universe. And my
students at LaGuardia are buzzed about the show and very excited about
experiencing Hair. Please try to make it to the show. My wife and I hope to
see all of you at LaMama.

Peace and Love,

Ross


From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 14 19:21:25 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Tue Jun 14 05:28:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair at the "Fame" school
In-Reply-To: <000901c5714a$d1466fa0$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F387A8324995082EF88F01FADF20@phx.gbl>

Hey Ross,

I'd like to add my congratulations and best wishes to the group.  I taught 
high school for awhile and directed a junior high musical a few years 
back... don't give up!  Thank you for giving young people a chance to open 
their minds through the arts~ what could be better?

Let me know if you need any high school commiseration!
Peace!

Cheers,
Katie Kasben
Asheville


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Wed Jun 15 01:26:13 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Tue Jun 14 11:33:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1DDE00D7D2EF12D2D01D1ABF20@phx.gbl>

Welcome with Love Katie, there is much love and peace on this list and you will lots of help IF needed.

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Katie Kasben
Sent: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:13:17 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

I have never felt so welcomed on a listserve before.

I was born in the Philippines (but I'm Irish/Italian/Polish by birth, Asian 
at heart) at the end of the Vietnam war.  My mother was the only female 
liason for the returning P.O.W.s and I believe she was also involved with 
the baby lift operation.   And in 1994 I wen to Saigon while on an 
educational excange.  I have never met a more beautiful people, nor was I 
prepared for my own reaction (especially after going to Cu Chi and then the 
Saigon War Crimes museum- which is the most honest depiction of the war, and 
most objective, I've ever seen).
Last year I worked on the Kerry campaign and when a local conservative group 
held a showing of the negative Kerry documentary, my parents and I went to 
be the voice of dissent. My father (also a veteran) was basically shouted 
down, they wouldn't let me (or any women) speak, and the veterans for peace 
who were there were not even allowed to finish talking because they were 
booed.  I couln't stop crying when it was over.  I felt like I was in Poland 
and the year was 1939. It was terrifying.  No one would listen.
but it's so not simple!  A dear friend of ours was a P.O.W. in Laos for FIVE 
YEARS and he hates Kerry and war protesters (doesn't like Bush though).  I 
feel like we are being pulled apart again~
but since it's not new, my generation is way too apathetic and complacent

I think the hardest part is going to be letting go.  I know I can't single 
handedly change the world, but I certainly do believe we will all be changed 
by this project.  Thank you so much for letting me have a safe place to 
speak.

I've included my first press release~ I haven't sent it out yet.
And I did have a question:
If we are going to donate any profit to the Western North Carolina Coalition 
for Peace, would Tams-Whitmark give us a deal, or would Equity let my friend 
who is an actor in NYC come down for free?

THANK YOU!
PEACE!

Love,
Katie K.
Asheville

ALOHA NUI LOA!


From moveon-help at list.moveon.org  Wed Jun 15 11:44:00 2005
From: moveon-help at list.moveon.org (Noah T. Winer, MoveOn.org)
Date: Wed Jun 15 01:24:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NPR, PBS vote TOMORROW -- help reach 400,000 signers
Message-ID: <200506150824.j5F8OIIU004835@dune.islandtechnologies.net>

Dear MoveOn member,

In less than a day, we've blown past our goal--more than 300,000 of us
have signed the petition to save NPR and PBS from losing public funding.
This is huge, but we need your help.

Tomorrow, the House Appropriations Committee will decide whether to
approve these severe cuts to NPR and PBS. We can stop the cuts--and save
public TV and radio--with a strong show of public outrage. We'll report to
the committee members on our petition before they vote.

Can you help us reach 400,000 signers by the end of the day?

http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/?id=5665-72753-69ry8zmdABu6COkbfe28jg&t=1

Once you've signed the petition, please pass it along to friends, family
and neighbors who count on NPR and PBS. You can use the note below.

Thank you for all you do,

--Noah, Joan, Rosalyn, and the MoveOn.org Team
  Wednesday, June 15th, 2005

P.S. Here's a note to send your friends:

Hi,

You know that email petition that keeps circulating about how Congress is
slashing funding for NPR and PBS? Well, now it's actually true. (Really.
Check at the bottom if you don't believe me.)

Sign the petition telling Congress to save NPR and PBS:

http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/?t=2

A House panel has voted to eliminate all public funding for NPR and PBS, starting
with "Sesame Street," "Reading Rainbow," and other commercial-free
children's shows. If approved, this would be the most severe cut in the
history of public broadcasting, threatening to pull the plug on Big Bird,
Cookie Monster, and Oscar the Grouch.

The cuts would slash 25% of the federal funding this year--$100
million--and end funding altogether within two years. The loss could kill
beloved children's shows like "Clifford the Big Red Dog," "Arthur," and
"Postcards from Buster." Rural stations and those serving low-income
communities might not survive. Other stations would have to increase
corporate sponsorships.

The next vote on the cuts will take place tomorrow (Thursday). Help us
reach 400,000 signatures to be delivered to the committee members.

http://www.moveon.org/publicbroadcasting/?t=3

Thanks!

P.S. Read the Washington Post report on the threat to NPR and PBS at:

http://www.moveon.org/r?r=745


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From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Jun 16 06:31:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: The Gospel On Gay Marriage
Message-ID: <20050617032321.920E3B809A@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



-------------------------------------
The Gospel On Gay Marriage
http://www.alternet.org/story/22241

Before dismissing the religious right,Â progressives may find it helpful to learn more about them -- particularly that group the media lump together as 'the evangelicals.'
-------------------------------------

From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 17 06:11:20 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Thu Jun 16 16:18:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F36AB21399CCE046AA2E64BB2F30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F13E36339506F18CCD1744ADF40@phx.gbl>




ALOHA NUI LOA!


From ace at aceross.com  Fri Jun 17 07:07:30 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Thu Jun 16 17:15:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F13E36339506F18CCD1744ADF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050617140738.25D2C23714A@lax-gw01.mroute.net>

Back at You Katie,

Have an awesome day!

Much Love,

Sherwin

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Katie Kasben
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:11 AM
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC




ALOHA NUI LOA!


_______________________________________________
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Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 17 08:46:22 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Thu Jun 16 18:53:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
In-Reply-To: <20050617140738.25D2C23714A@lax-gw01.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F7D5BAEFDFC2351842B785ADF40@phx.gbl>

Thanks man,

We had a killer rehearsal last night.
You should come down too!
It's going to be a great party.

I hope you're having a great day!!
CHeers,

Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Jun 17 09:21:02 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Jun 16 19:28:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Important Petition
Message-ID: <BED8467E.20D2B%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Dear Friends & Colleagues,


On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Tottenberg announced that if the Supreme
Court supports Congress, it will, in effect, be the end of the National
Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts (NEA), and the Public
Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the arts are facing major cutbacks
in funding. In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce spending costs
and streamline their services, some government officials believe that the
funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion of funding
for something which is seen as not worthwhile.
This is for anyone who thinks NPR/PBS is a worthwhile expenditure of
$1.12/year of their taxes. The only way that our representatives can be
aware of the base of support for PBS and funding for these types of programs
is by making our voices heard.
Please add your name to this list and forward it to friends who believe in
what this stands for. This list will be forwarded to the President and the
Vice President of the United States. This petition is being passed around
the Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be maintained
for NPR, PBS, and the NEA.
HOW TO SIGN:
IT'S EASY:
First SELECT all of the text in this message, then COPY and PASTE it into a
new email (DO NOT FORWARD).
ADD your name to the bottom of the list and SEND it to everyone in your
list.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT DUPLICATES.
This is being sent to several people at once to add their names to the
petition. It won't matter if many people receive the same list as THE NAMES
ARE BEING MANAGED.
If you decide not to sign, please don't kill it. Send it to the email
address listed here:
wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu <mailto:wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu>
If you happen to be the 150th, 200th, 250th, etc., signer of this petition,
please forward a copy to the above address. This way we can keep track of
the lists and organize them.
Send this to everyone you know, and help us to keep these programs alive.
Thank you!
1401 Ian Brister,
NewYork, NY 10011
1402 John Cardoni NYC, NY 10009
1403 Rob Jackson Westport, CT 06880
1404 Donna Jackson Westport, CT 06880
1405 John R. Finegan, Weston, CT 06883
1404 Valerie FineganWeston, CT 06883
1405 Roni Zimmer Ridgefield, CT 06877
1406 Marki Knopp, Telluride, CO 81435
1407 Julie Houck, Telluride, CO 81435
1408 Joanne Losse, Mount Holly, NJ 08060
1409 Sue Shilling, North Wales, PA 19454 1410 Joan Violante, Lansdale, PA
19446
1411 Mary JoCoblentz, Richland, WA 99352
1412 Katherine Hardy, Bellingham, WA 98225
1413 John T. HardyBellingham, WA 98225
1414 Rotha L. Miles, Bellingham, WA 98226
1415 John C. Miles, Bellingham, WA 98226
1416 Brad Tuininga, Bellingham, WA 98225
1417 Adam Lorio, Bellingham, WA 98225
1418 ReneeTommila, Portland, OR 97217
1419 Kristin Anderson, Bellingham, WA 98225 1420 Jill Cermele,
MountainLakes, NJ 07046
1421 Robert Cermele, NewYork, NY 10021
1422 Nancy Atlas, New York, NY10021
1423 Joseph Newirth, NewYork, NY 10022
1424 Beth Dorfman, Rego Park, NY 11374
1425 Jenny Putnam,Brooklyn, NY 11220
1426 Amy Rosenthal, Brooklyn, NY 11217
1427 Amy Menell, Boulder, CO 80302
1428 Sharon Breslau, Bearsville, NY 12409
1429 Chuck Cornelis, Bearsville, NY 12409 1430 Joyce Culver,NewYork, NY
10025
1431 Susan Dooley, MillerPlace, NY 11764
1432 Stella Russell, Hilton Head, SC 29928
1433 Arthur L. Friedman,Rego Park, NY 11374
1444 Tracey Simon, Oceanside, NY
1157 1445 Jessica Ley, Locust Valley, NY 11560
1446 Suzanne Ponzini, Port Washington, NY 11050
1447 Jackie Kelly, Port Washington, NY 11050
1448 Jonathan Fields, NewYork, NY 10022
1449 Betsy Davis, Kendall Park, NJ 08824 1450 Catherine Nash, Rowayton, CT
06853
1451 Shaun Jackson, Rowayton, CT 06853
1452 Marti Grubb, Berkeley, CA
1453 Betsy Cotton , Berkeley, CA 94705
1454 Alison Dilworth, Philadelphia, PA 19147
1455 patti Dilworth, NewYork, NY 10002
1456 Steve Osman
1457 John Gonnella
1458 Carol Gonnella
1459 Baldo Lucaroni
1460 Indi Lucaroni
1461 Edward Lucaroni
1462 C. S. White, Ketchum, ID 83340
1463 Rebekah Sullivan
1464 Jim Mindling, Weston, CT 06883
1465 Diana Heisinger, Weston, CT 06883
1466 Nancy Eisenbud, Golden, Colorado 80401
1467 Marina Poling, Fort Collins, CO 80525
1468 Deborah Davis, Fort Collins, CO 80521
1469 Selene, Lafayette, CO 80026
1470 Twinkle Saltzman, Boulder,CO 80301
1471 Carol Kenney, Marblehead,MA 01945
1472 blaine ellis san francisco,ca
1473 ellen koment santafe NM
1474 Mario Quilles, Santa FeNM
1475 Christine Jager, Greenbrae, CA
1476 Bryan Hendon, San Anselmo, CA
1477 Michael C. Borse, Petaluma, CA
1478 Richard A. Moeller, Petaluma, CA
1479 Arthur F. Schanche, MD, Los Angeles, CA 90068 1480 Constance Moffatt,
Culver City, CA 90232
1481 Danita Fleck, San Jose, CA
1482 Terry Thompson, Milpitas, CA 95035
1483 Steven Sicular, S. San Francisco, CA 94080
1484 Nancy Reynolds, 539Edgecliff Way, Redwood City, CA 94062 1485Laurel
Nomura, 6194 Blossom Ave,San Jose, CA 95123
1486 Ken Davis, 1911Tweed Place, Anacortes, WA 98221
1487 Nigel Llewellyn-Smith, 2687 W 29th Ave, Eugene, OR 97405
1488 Ken Murchison, 1006 Jennifers Meadows Ct, Danville, CA 94506
1489 Nicole Barbounis, 959 Padua Way, Livermore, CA 94550 1490 Maria
Pavlick-Larsen, San Jose, CA 95126
1491 David Middleton Hayward, CA 94541
1492 Anne Mueller, Portland, OR 97218
1493 Lee Howard, Portland, OR 97214
1494 Janice Howard, Colorado Springs, CO 80903
1495 Terry Fontenot, Louisville, KY 40205
1496 Nancy Fontenot, Louisville, KY 40205
1497 Gisela De Domenico, Oakland, CA 94602
1498 Lorin Alder, Lincoln, VT 05443
1499 kerrie boodt, tempe, AZ 85281
1500 Lauren Manning, OH 45227
1501 Colin Taylor, OH 44321
1502 Claire Smither, KY 40206
1503 Bob Smither, Jr. KY 40206
1504 Cindy Plappert, KY 40204
1505 Alan Plappert, KY 40204
1506Lindsey Ronay,KY 40205
1507 Norma Gaskey, KY 40220
1508 Robert Lawrence, KY 40205
1509 Gail Bonnell, KY 40202
1510 Donna Edgar, KY 40241
1511 Donna Woods, KY 40204
1512 Judy Atwood, Woodstock, NY 12498
1513 George Nicholson, Bearsville, NY 12409
1514 Robert LuPone Athens, NY
1515 Mary Knox, New York, NY 10282
1516 Nelsena Burt Spano, New York, NY 10011
1517 Ralph Spano, New York, NY 10011
1518 Lisa Gulisano, Nutley, NJ 07110
1519 Philip Hickey, Bloomfield, NJ 07003 1520 Sarah Hickey, Coopersburg, PA
18036
1521 Mark Buettler, Brooklyn, NY 11211
1522 Kyle Luker, Manhatten, NY 10021
1523 Carrie Yaeger, Manhattan, NY 10019
1524 Jennifer Sydney, Chicago, IL 60613
1525 Wendy MacLeod, Gambier, OH 43022
1526 Charles H. Thorne, New York, NY 10022
1527 Alisa C. Thorne, New York, NY 10022
1528 Alex M. Davitt, Rye, NY 10580
1529 Bronagh Mclaughlin, Nyack, NY 10960 1530 Pamela Berget Sorota,
Columbia, MD 21044
1531 Susand G Ferguson, Tucson, AZ 85737
1532 Betty G. Feinberg, Tucson, AZ 85747
1531 Everett J. Wyers, Tucson, AZ 85747
1532 Lenom T. Wyers, Tucson, AZ 85747
1533Bernadine Klein, Tucson, AZ 85743
1534 Sharon Dvorkin-Solotky Tucson,AZ 85743
1535 Hyman Solotky Tucson,AZ 85743
1536 Edlynne Sillman, Tucson, Az 85743
1537 Joan Martay, Portland, Me. 04103
1538 Jean Beal, Portland, ME 04103
1539 Jane Beal, Cambridge, MA 02138
1540 Cindy Houston, Burlington, VT 05401
1541 Sarah Grose, Manchester, CT 06040
1542 Franny Bluhm, East Jordan, MI 49727
1543 Ken Bluhm, East Jordan, MI 49727
1544 Abbey Carter, Columbus, OH 43209
1545 Thomas Kelly, Columbus, OH 43212
1546 Brenda Arnold. Columbus, OH 43214
1547 Dena Hartmann, Worcester, MA 01604
1548 D'Orsi Bosca, Springfield, OH 45503
1549 Caro-Gray Bosca, Boston,Ma 02115
1550 Louisa Paige, Boston, MA 02116
1551 Kathryn Corbin, Milton, MA 02186
1552 Pat Warner, Wellesley, MA 02482
1553 Doug Anderson, Palm Beach, FL 33480
1554   Dale Anderson, Palm Beach, FL 33480
1555 Andy Bronfman, NY, NY, 10021
1556 Jill Collier Indyk, Pittstown, NJ, 08867
1557 Harvey Krueger, NY, NY 10021
1558 Howard Rosenman, LA, CA 90069
1559  Don Roos, L.A., CA  90210

1560  Dan Bucatinsky, L.A., CA  90210

1561   Joan Stein, LA, CA  90046
1562   Barbara Howard,CA, 90068
1563    Michael Butler, CA 90069



 



From ace at aceross.com  Fri Jun 17 09:27:37 2005
From: ace at aceross.com (ace)
Date: Thu Jun 16 19:35:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Important Petition
In-Reply-To: <BED8467E.20D2B%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20050617162745.0E59724AFB6@lax-gw02.mroute.net>



-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:21 AM
To: Civic; HAIR List
Subject: [Mb-hair] Important Petition

Dear Friends & Colleagues,


On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Tottenberg announced that if the Supreme
Court supports Congress, it will, in effect, be the end of the National
Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts (NEA), and the Public
Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the arts are facing major cutbacks
in funding. In spite of the efforts of each station to reduce spending costs
and streamline their services, some government officials believe that the
funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion of funding
for something which is seen as not worthwhile.
This is for anyone who thinks NPR/PBS is a worthwhile expenditure of
$1.12/year of their taxes. The only way that our representatives can be
aware of the base of support for PBS and funding for these types of programs
is by making our voices heard.
Please add your name to this list and forward it to friends who believe in
what this stands for. This list will be forwarded to the President and the
Vice President of the United States. This petition is being passed around
the Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be maintained
for NPR, PBS, and the NEA.
HOW TO SIGN:
IT'S EASY:
First SELECT all of the text in this message, then COPY and PASTE it into a
new email (DO NOT FORWARD).
ADD your name to the bottom of the list and SEND it to everyone in your
list.
DON'T WORRY ABOUT DUPLICATES.
This is being sent to several people at once to add their names to the
petition. It won't matter if many people receive the same list as THE NAMES
ARE BEING MANAGED.
If you decide not to sign, please don't kill it. Send it to the email
address listed here:
wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu <mailto:wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu>
If you happen to be the 150th, 200th, 250th, etc., signer of this petition,
please forward a copy to the above address. This way we can keep track of
the lists and organize them.
Send this to everyone you know, and help us to keep these programs alive.
Thank you!
1401 Ian Brister,
NewYork, NY 10011
1402 John Cardoni NYC, NY 10009
1403 Rob Jackson Westport, CT 06880
1404 Donna Jackson Westport, CT 06880
1405 John R. Finegan, Weston, CT 06883
1404 Valerie FineganWeston, CT 06883
1405 Roni Zimmer Ridgefield, CT 06877
1406 Marki Knopp, Telluride, CO 81435
1407 Julie Houck, Telluride, CO 81435
1408 Joanne Losse, Mount Holly, NJ 08060
1409 Sue Shilling, North Wales, PA 19454 1410 Joan Violante, Lansdale, PA
19446
1411 Mary JoCoblentz, Richland, WA 99352
1412 Katherine Hardy, Bellingham, WA 98225
1413 John T. HardyBellingham, WA 98225
1414 Rotha L. Miles, Bellingham, WA 98226
1415 John C. Miles, Bellingham, WA 98226
1416 Brad Tuininga, Bellingham, WA 98225
1417 Adam Lorio, Bellingham, WA 98225
1418 ReneeTommila, Portland, OR 97217
1419 Kristin Anderson, Bellingham, WA 98225 1420 Jill Cermele,
MountainLakes, NJ 07046
1421 Robert Cermele, NewYork, NY 10021
1422 Nancy Atlas, New York, NY10021
1423 Joseph Newirth, NewYork, NY 10022
1424 Beth Dorfman, Rego Park, NY 11374
1425 Jenny Putnam,Brooklyn, NY 11220
1426 Amy Rosenthal, Brooklyn, NY 11217
1427 Amy Menell, Boulder, CO 80302
1428 Sharon Breslau, Bearsville, NY 12409
1429 Chuck Cornelis, Bearsville, NY 12409 1430 Joyce Culver,NewYork, NY
10025
1431 Susan Dooley, MillerPlace, NY 11764
1432 Stella Russell, Hilton Head, SC 29928
1433 Arthur L. Friedman,Rego Park, NY 11374
1444 Tracey Simon, Oceanside, NY
1157 1445 Jessica Ley, Locust Valley, NY 11560
1446 Suzanne Ponzini, Port Washington, NY 11050
1447 Jackie Kelly, Port Washington, NY 11050
1448 Jonathan Fields, NewYork, NY 10022
1449 Betsy Davis, Kendall Park, NJ 08824 1450 Catherine Nash, Rowayton, CT
06853
1451 Shaun Jackson, Rowayton, CT 06853
1452 Marti Grubb, Berkeley, CA
1453 Betsy Cotton , Berkeley, CA 94705
1454 Alison Dilworth, Philadelphia, PA 19147
1455 patti Dilworth, NewYork, NY 10002
1456 Steve Osman
1457 John Gonnella
1458 Carol Gonnella
1459 Baldo Lucaroni
1460 Indi Lucaroni
1461 Edward Lucaroni
1462 C. S. White, Ketchum, ID 83340
1463 Rebekah Sullivan
1464 Jim Mindling, Weston, CT 06883
1465 Diana Heisinger, Weston, CT 06883
1466 Nancy Eisenbud, Golden, Colorado 80401
1467 Marina Poling, Fort Collins, CO 80525
1468 Deborah Davis, Fort Collins, CO 80521
1469 Selene, Lafayette, CO 80026
1470 Twinkle Saltzman, Boulder,CO 80301
1471 Carol Kenney, Marblehead,MA 01945
1472 blaine ellis san francisco,ca
1473 ellen koment santafe NM
1474 Mario Quilles, Santa FeNM
1475 Christine Jager, Greenbrae, CA
1476 Bryan Hendon, San Anselmo, CA
1477 Michael C. Borse, Petaluma, CA
1478 Richard A. Moeller, Petaluma, CA
1479 Arthur F. Schanche, MD, Los Angeles, CA 90068 1480 Constance Moffatt,
Culver City, CA 90232
1481 Danita Fleck, San Jose, CA
1482 Terry Thompson, Milpitas, CA 95035
1483 Steven Sicular, S. San Francisco, CA 94080
1484 Nancy Reynolds, 539Edgecliff Way, Redwood City, CA 94062 1485Laurel
Nomura, 6194 Blossom Ave,San Jose, CA 95123
1486 Ken Davis, 1911Tweed Place, Anacortes, WA 98221
1487 Nigel Llewellyn-Smith, 2687 W 29th Ave, Eugene, OR 97405
1488 Ken Murchison, 1006 Jennifers Meadows Ct, Danville, CA 94506
1489 Nicole Barbounis, 959 Padua Way, Livermore, CA 94550 1490 Maria
Pavlick-Larsen, San Jose, CA 95126
1491 David Middleton Hayward, CA 94541
1492 Anne Mueller, Portland, OR 97218
1493 Lee Howard, Portland, OR 97214
1494 Janice Howard, Colorado Springs, CO 80903
1495 Terry Fontenot, Louisville, KY 40205
1496 Nancy Fontenot, Louisville, KY 40205
1497 Gisela De Domenico, Oakland, CA 94602
1498 Lorin Alder, Lincoln, VT 05443
1499 kerrie boodt, tempe, AZ 85281
1500 Lauren Manning, OH 45227
1501 Colin Taylor, OH 44321
1502 Claire Smither, KY 40206
1503 Bob Smither, Jr. KY 40206
1504 Cindy Plappert, KY 40204
1505 Alan Plappert, KY 40204
1506Lindsey Ronay,KY 40205
1507 Norma Gaskey, KY 40220
1508 Robert Lawrence, KY 40205
1509 Gail Bonnell, KY 40202
1510 Donna Edgar, KY 40241
1511 Donna Woods, KY 40204
1512 Judy Atwood, Woodstock, NY 12498
1513 George Nicholson, Bearsville, NY 12409
1514 Robert LuPone Athens, NY
1515 Mary Knox, New York, NY 10282
1516 Nelsena Burt Spano, New York, NY 10011
1517 Ralph Spano, New York, NY 10011
1518 Lisa Gulisano, Nutley, NJ 07110
1519 Philip Hickey, Bloomfield, NJ 07003 1520 Sarah Hickey, Coopersburg, PA
18036
1521 Mark Buettler, Brooklyn, NY 11211
1522 Kyle Luker, Manhatten, NY 10021
1523 Carrie Yaeger, Manhattan, NY 10019
1524 Jennifer Sydney, Chicago, IL 60613
1525 Wendy MacLeod, Gambier, OH 43022
1526 Charles H. Thorne, New York, NY 10022
1527 Alisa C. Thorne, New York, NY 10022
1528 Alex M. Davitt, Rye, NY 10580
1529 Bronagh Mclaughlin, Nyack, NY 10960 1530 Pamela Berget Sorota,
Columbia, MD 21044
1531 Susand G Ferguson, Tucson, AZ 85737
1532 Betty G. Feinberg, Tucson, AZ 85747
1531 Everett J. Wyers, Tucson, AZ 85747
1532 Lenom T. Wyers, Tucson, AZ 85747
1533Bernadine Klein, Tucson, AZ 85743
1534 Sharon Dvorkin-Solotky Tucson,AZ 85743
1535 Hyman Solotky Tucson,AZ 85743
1536 Edlynne Sillman, Tucson, Az 85743
1537 Joan Martay, Portland, Me. 04103
1538 Jean Beal, Portland, ME 04103
1539 Jane Beal, Cambridge, MA 02138
1540 Cindy Houston, Burlington, VT 05401
1541 Sarah Grose, Manchester, CT 06040
1542 Franny Bluhm, East Jordan, MI 49727
1543 Ken Bluhm, East Jordan, MI 49727
1544 Abbey Carter, Columbus, OH 43209
1545 Thomas Kelly, Columbus, OH 43212
1546 Brenda Arnold. Columbus, OH 43214
1547 Dena Hartmann, Worcester, MA 01604
1548 D'Orsi Bosca, Springfield, OH 45503
1549 Caro-Gray Bosca, Boston,Ma 02115
1550 Louisa Paige, Boston, MA 02116
1551 Kathryn Corbin, Milton, MA 02186
1552 Pat Warner, Wellesley, MA 02482
1553 Doug Anderson, Palm Beach, FL 33480
1554   Dale Anderson, Palm Beach, FL 33480
1555 Andy Bronfman, NY, NY, 10021
1556 Jill Collier Indyk, Pittstown, NJ, 08867
1557 Harvey Krueger, NY, NY 10021
1558 Howard Rosenman, LA, CA 90069
1559  Don Roos, L.A., CA  90210

1560  Dan Bucatinsky, L.A., CA  90210

1561   Joan Stein, LA, CA  90046
1562   Barbara Howard,CA, 90068
1563    Michael Butler, CA 90069
1564   Sherwin "Ace" Ross CA 90046


 



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From bev at beverlybremers.com  Fri Jun 17 13:38:59 2005
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Thu Jun 16 23:46:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Bridgeport Pictures
Message-ID: <20050617203859.00D8C9E9EF@ws6-2.us4.outblaze.com>

Cool pics, Nina! Thanks for sharing!

Bev


----- Original Message -----
From: "Little Birdie"
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] (no subject)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:37:10 +0000

>
> Thought you all might like to see these photos from Bridgeport May 21,
2005.
> The theater asked the alumni present to pose on the stage in front of
the set
> (best set I've seen since the first run productions!)
>
> Back row, L to R: Michael Arian, Michael Butler, Bill Swiggard
> Front Row, L to R, Debbie Andrews, Nina Machlin Dayton, Dale Soules,
Natalie
> Mosco, Robert Camuto, and (in one photo) the sound designer from
Downtown
> Cabaret Theatre - Jeff something....
>
> Love,
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
<< PeaceGroupSmall.jpg >>
<< BridgeportAlumni6.jpg >>

>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Jun 17 15:17:06 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Jun 17 01:24:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC
References: <BAY104-F7D5BAEFDFC2351842B785ADF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <012f01c5738a$4c38d040$6e436c42@hotprojects>

kudos break a leg
richard haase
director
hair 1980 ( nyc )
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
To: <Ace@aceross.com>; <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] The HAIR Project...Asheville, NC


> Thanks man,
> 
> We had a killer rehearsal last night.
> You should come down too!
> It's going to be a great party.
> 
> I hope you're having a great day!!
> CHeers,
> 
> Katie
> 
> 
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Jun 17 15:19:37 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Jun 17 01:27:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] ian stop being jerry falwell
Message-ID: <01e901c5738a$a62682f0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i saw you
i too am a born again christian
but youre a jew like me i saw you ian
youre not all that goyish lol
thats a joke guys
no offense meant please dont crucify me
whoops
( putting his foot deeper and deeper )
richard in the project pit

peace love
( joking joking )
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Jun 17 15:20:20 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Jun 17 01:27:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] sorryguys sent wrong post to wrong group sorry ( rolls
	another )
Message-ID: <01fa01c5738a$bf63b170$6e436c42@hotprojects>


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From sherwin at aceross.com  Sat Jun 18 08:10:02 2005
From: sherwin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Fri Jun 17 18:49:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
Message-ID: <20050618154123.5CFC5249CC6@lax-gw08.mroute.net>

I was recently talking to someone about the meaning of HAiR.

We were discussing the significance of symbols the HAiR Logo.

What do the symbols in the logo mean to you?

 

Where did they come from?

 

 

Sherwin Ross

Tribe member

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Jun 18 09:29:17 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Jun 17 19:36:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
In-Reply-To: <20050618154123.5CFC5249CC6@lax-gw08.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <BED999ED.20DBA%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Both came from Ragni.
Infinity as Hair will go on for ever.
1 as it was tied to the Tarot and "according to Earl, you are a magician"
I didn't disagree as Hair was so much magic.
I always thought it was Arabic never really checked it out.
M


> I was recently talking to someone about the meaning of HAiR.
> 
> We were discussing the significance of symbols the HAiR Logo.
> 
> What do the symbols in the logo mean to you?
> 
> 
> 
> Where did they come from?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sherwin Ross
> 
> Tribe member
> 
> 
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 18 09:39:59 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Jun 17 19:47:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
References: <20050618154123.5CFC5249CC6@lax-gw08.mroute.net>
Message-ID: <002901c57424$5e51f000$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i believe the unique dot above the i is an ancient infinity symbol 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sherwin Ross 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:10 AM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread


  I was recently talking to someone about the meaning of HAiR.

  We were discussing the significance of symbols the HAiR Logo.

  What do the symbols in the logo mean to you?

   

  Where did they come from?

   

   

  Sherwin Ross

  Tribe member



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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sat Jun 18 09:49:04 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Fri Jun 17 19:56:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Something Kind of Wonderful
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Thu, 16 Jun 2005
	12:00:07 -0700
Message-ID: <13593-42B45080-5729@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>

 
Can it really be this easy to be a superhero, if 
for only a moment? 

:-) 

At no cost, save seconds, you can, remarkably, help save the rain
forest, just by clicking-- 

http://www.therainforestsite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites 

At the page, you just click on the center button, that says, hmm, "Click
Me." 

Sponsors pay for buying property. 

Really. 

(The website gambles on people seeing the 
ads...) 

But this takes just a few seconds a day, quicker, if you have DSL, or
whatever they call it, nowadays-- 

And, while maybe not a free lunch-- 

Is quite lovely. 

Best, Jim 

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Jun 18 10:38:03 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Jun 17 20:45:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Congressman Conyers Hammers the Washington Post
Message-ID: <BED9AA0B.20DCE%michael@michaelbutler.com>

    Congressman Conyers Hammers the Washington Post
    By Congressman John Conyers
    t r u t h o u t | Letter

    Friday 17 June 2005

    Mr. Michael Abramowitz, National Editor;
    Mr. Michael Getler, Ombudsman;
    Mr. Dana Milbank

    The Washington Post
    1150 15th Street, NW
    Washington, DC 20071

    Dear Sirs:

    I write to express my profound disappointment with Dana Milbank's June
17 report, "Democrats Play House to Rally Against the War," which purports
to describe a Democratic hearing I chaired in the Capitol yesterday. In sum,
the piece cherry-picks some facts, manufactures others out of whole cloth,
and does a disservice to some 30 members of Congress who persevered under
difficult circumstances, not of our own making, to examine a very serious
subject: whether the American people were deliberately misled in the lead up
to war. The fact that this was the Post's only coverage of this event makes
the journalistic shortcomings in this piece even more egregious.

    In an inaccurate piece of reporting that typifies the article, Milbank
implies that one of the obstacles the Members in the meeting have is that
"only one" member has mentioned the Downing Street Minutes on the floor of
either the House or Senate. This is not only incorrect but misleading. In
fact, just yesterday, the Senate Democratic Leader, Harry Reid, mentioned it
on the Senate floor. Senator Boxer talked at some length about it at the
recent confirmation hearing for the Ambassador to Iraq. The House Democratic
Leader, Nancy Pelosi, recently signed on to my letter, along with 121 other
Democrats asking for answers about the memo. This information is not
difficult to find either. For example, the Reid speech was the subject of an
AP wire service report posted on the Washington Post website with the
headline "Democrats Cite Downing Street Memo in Bolton Fight". Other similar
mistakes, mischaracterizations and cheap shots are littered throughout the
article.

    The article begins with an especially mean and nasty tone, claiming that
House Democrats "pretended" a small conference was the Judiciary Committee
hearing room and deriding the decor of the room. Milbank fails to share with
his readers one essential fact: the reason the hearing was held in that
room, an important piece of context. Despite the fact that a number of other
suitable rooms were available in the Capitol and House office buildings,
Republicans declined my request for each and every one of them. Milbank
could have written about the perseverance of many of my colleagues in the
face of such adverse circumstances, but declined to do so. Milbank also
ignores the critical fact picked up by the AP, CNN and other newsletters
that at the very moment the hearing was scheduled to begin, the Republican
Leadership scheduled an almost unprecedented number of 11 consecutive floor
votes, making it next to impossible for most Members to participate in the
first hour and one half of the hearing.

    In what can only be described as a deliberate effort to discredit the
entire hearing, Milbank quotes one of the witnesses as making an
anti-semitic assertion and further describes anti-semitic literature that
was being handed out in the overflow room for the event. First, let me be
clear: I consider myself to be friend and supporter of Israel and there were
a number of other staunchly pro-Israel members who were in attendance at the
hearing. I do not agree with, support, or condone any comments asserting
Israeli control over U.S. policy, and I find any allegation that Israel is
trying to dominate the world or had anything to do with the September 11
tragedy disgusting and offensive.

    That said, to give such emphasis to 100 seconds of a 3 hour and five
minute hearing that included the powerful and sad testimony (hardly
mentioned by Milbank) of a woman who lost her son in the Iraq war and now
feels lied to as a result of the Downing Street Minutes, is incredibly
misleading. Many, many different pamphlets were being passed out at the
overflow room, including pamphlets about getting out of the Iraq war and
anti-Central American Free Trade Agreement, and it is puzzling why Milbank
saw fit to only mention the one he did.

    In a typically derisive and uninformed passage, Milbank makes much of
other lawmakers calling me "Mr. Chairman" and says I liked it so much that I
used "chairmanly phrases." Milbank may not know that I was the Chairman of
the House Government Operations Committee from 1988 to 1994. By protocol and
tradition in the House, once you have been a Chairman you are always
referred to as such. Thus, there was nothing unusual about my being referred
to as Mr. Chairman.

    To administer his coup-de-grace, Milbank literally makes up another
cheap shot that I "was having so much fun that [I] ignored aides' entreaties
to end the session." This did not occur. None of my aides offered entreaties
to end the session and I have no idea where Milbank gets that information.
The hearing certainly ran longer than expected, but that was because so many
Members of Congress persevered under very difficult circumstances to attend,
and I thought - given that - the least I could do was allow them to say
their piece. That is called courtesy, not "fun."

    By the way, the "Downing Street Memo" is actually the minutes of a
British cabinet meeting. In the meeting, British officials - having just met
with their American counterparts - describe their discussions with such
counterparts. I mention this because that basic piece of context, a simple
description of the memo, is found nowhere in Milbank's article.

    The fact that I and my fellow Democrats had to stuff a hearing into a
room the size of a large closet to hold a hearing on an important issue
shouldn't make us the object of ridicule. In my opinion, the ridicule should
be placed in two places: first, at the feet of Republicans who are so afraid
to discuss ideas and facts that they try to sabotage our efforts to do so;
and second, on Dana Milbank and the Washington Post, who do not feel the
need to give serious coverage on a serious hearing about a serious matter -
whether more than 1700 Americans have died because of a deliberate lie.
Milbank may disagree, but the Post certainly owed its readers some coverage
of that viewpoint.

    Sincerely,

    John Conyers, Jr.

 

From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 18 10:44:49 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Jun 17 21:01:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
Message-ID: <BAY104-F39546DC074D75082036F69B2F70@phx.gbl>

Great question Sherwin!

I have heard several stories over the years as to the symbolism of the signs 
in the Hair logo. I like the one that Michael mentioned. Earl Scott, Hair 
official tarot card reader, and a very special person, always said that The 
Magician was Michael's card in the tarot deck - that it represented him. As 
Michael said there is great magic in Hair, and so it could be said that The 
Magician is also Hair's card. It  was painted as a curtain that was used on 
the second level of the tower set in many productions.  If one looks closely 
at the card from the Waite Rider tarot deck (the deck that the tarot images 
used in Hair came from) one sees that over the magician's head there is an 
infinity sign and a roman numeral I (it is the first card in the major 
arcana, one of the two sections of cards in a tarot deck (major arcana has 
titled cards like The Lovers, The Magician, The Fool, The Sun, The Moon, 
etc, minor arcana has 1 through King of the "suits" of a tarot card deck - 
cups, wands, swords, pentacles - but this is probably more than you wanted 
to know!)

So we have the numeral I and the infinity sign on The Magician tarot card, 
Michael's card and Hair's card, which is also decorated on the top with 
hanging vines, which image was used to create the marquee of the Biltmore 
theatre. I attach two photos - one of the Magician card from the Waite Rider 
deck, and also one of the Biltmore Theatre's Marquee during Hair's run.

To me personally the infinity sign has always meant that Hair would go on 
forever. The I referred originally to the first, or Broadway, production. 
Very briefly other productions had different numbers, which can occasionally 
be seen on playbills (I think Chicago had a 2?) but fairly soon all the 
companies used the logo with the I, regardless of what company they were.

There are other interpretations of the symbolism, and i would love to hear 
what others had heard. Or better yet, what they interpret the symbolism as 
being for them.

Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html

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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Sat Jun 18 11:15:18 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Fri Jun 17 21:22:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread
References: <200506180401.j5I41fBU012630@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <000601c57431$aebf0160$6401a8c0@Leo>

And as further support of this thought (that THE MAGICIAN is Michael's card) 
I offer this snippet which I snagged off the 'net:

"In the Rider-Waite Tarot we see a person dressed in white: his actions are 
pure (meaning in harmony with himself and beneficial to the world). The 
white band around his head shows that he has thought over his actions first 
and approved them to serve his higher self. The red cloth he wears depicts 
the passion and desire he puts into his magick. Red is the color of Aries 
and the planet Mars, saying: "I want this and I want it now." With his right 
raised arm he holds a white wand of pure creative light and through his left 
downward arm he channels these energies to earth. Thus he symbolizes the 
coming together of macrocosmos and microcosmos through creativity and the 
love and truth of the open heart, since the center of his left and right arm 
is between the 5th chakra (throat-chakra, creativity and speech) and the 4th 
chakra (heart-chakra, unconditional love). Above his head lies the 
lemniscate, symbol of infinity, transformation and high spiritual power."

Sure sounds like Michael to me!

 PEACE,
Leo

> From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread

 ...............................Earl Scott, Hair  official tarot card 
reader, and a very special person, always said that The  Magician was 
Michael's card in the tarot deck - that it represented 
him...................
 Love,
Nina


From dekuyper at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun 17 12:23:30 2005
From: dekuyper at sbcglobal.net (Gerald Gerald)
Date: Fri Jun 17 21:33:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
Message-ID: <200506180433.j5I4XHxQ012693@dune.islandtechnologies.net>

Bounce this around!
 
Great Tip....Who woulda thought?

 
1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
yellow jackets away.

 
Use them all the time when playing baseball and
soccer. I use it when I am working outside. It really
works. The yellow jackets just veer around you. And
all this time you've! just been putting Bounce in the
dryer!

 
2.  It will chase ants away when you lay a sheet near
them.

 
3.  It also repels mice. Spread them around foundation
areas, or in trailers, cars that are sitting and it
keeps mice from entering your vehicle.

 
4.  It takes the odor out of books and photo albums
that don't get opened too often.

 
5.  Repels mosquitoes. Tie a sheet of Bounce through a
belt loop when outdoors during mosquito season.

 
6.  Eliminates static electricity from your television
(or computer) screen. Since Bounce is designed to help
eliminate static cling, wipe your television screen
with a used sheet of Bounce to keep dust from
resettling.

 
7.  Dissolve soap scum from shower doors. Clean with a
sheet of Bounce.

 
8.  Freshen the air in your home. Place an individual
sheet of Bounce in a drawer or hang in the closet.

 
9.  Put Bounce sheet in vacuum cleaner.

 
10. Prevent thread from tangling. Run a threaded
needle through sheet of Bounce before beginning to
sew.

 
11. Prevent musty suitcases. Place an individual sheet
of Bounce inside empty luggage before storing.

 
12. Freshen the air in your car. Place a sheet of
Bounce under the front seat.

 
13. Clean baked-on foods from a cooking pan. Put a
sheet in a pan, fill with water, let sit overnight,
and sponge clean. The antistatic agent apparently
weakens the bond between the food.

 
14. Eliminate odors in wastebaskets.. Place a sheet of
Bounce at the bottom of the wastebasket.

 
15. Collect cat hair. Rubbing the area with a sheet of
Bounce will magnetically attract all the loose hairs.

 
16. Eliminate static electricity from Venetian blinds.
Wipe the blinds with a sheet of Bounce to prevent dust
from resettling.

 
17. Wipe up sawdust from drilling or sand papering. A
used sheet of Bounce will collect sawdust like a tack
cloth.

 
18. Eliminate odors in dirty laundry. Place an
individual sheet of Bounce at the bottom of a laundry
bag or hamper. 
Deodorize shoes or sneakers. Place a sheet of Bounce
in your shoes or sneakers overnight.

 
19. Golfers put a Bounce sheet in their back pocket to
keep the bees away.

 
20. Put a Bounce sheet in your sleeping bag and tent
before folding and storing them. Keeps them smelling
fresh.


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Jun 18 11:29:13 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Jun 17 21:36:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Dean, His Democrats, and Mr. Bush's War
Message-ID: <BED9B609.20DDC%michael@michaelbutler.com>

    Dean, His Democrats, and Mr. Bush's War
    By Steve Weissman
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective

    Wednesday 15 June 2005

    Why do Democratic Party leaders and their friends in the mass media
spend so much time attacking Howard Dean? And why do so many of us who
oppose Mr. Bush's war in Iraq now shower Dr. Dean with praise, even love,
despite his reluctance to join with us in opposing the continuing presence
in Iraq of American troops?

    Answers to both questions focus on the current fight among Democrats
over the direction the party should take.

    Those who've led the party in past years never wanted Dean to win the
chairmanship. They prefer the status quo and feel indebted to the major
financial contributors, who have little interest in seeing the party resume
its traditional role as a true champion of the poor and middle classes.

    Dean is now confirming the old leaders in their worst fears. He is
attempting to weaken the influence of the big donors by raising money in
small increments over the Internet, much as he did in his own campaign for
president. He is also revitalizing state and local party groups, giving more
clout to grassroots activists, many of whom want the party to come out
strongly against the war.

    Unlike the Old Guard, Dean understands two key dynamics needed for the
Democrats to win elections. The party must engage the passion and conviction
of the grassroots activists. And it must reach out to millions of people who
no longer believe that politicians of either party fight for the interests
of average working families.

    "People want us to fight," Dean told the party's executive committee.
"We are here to fight."

    The Old Guard fear that the party will get out of their control and are
naturally fighting back. The conflict has grown so severe that three major
fund-raisers quit the Democratic National Committee, one of them citing
"strategic differences."

    At least for now, most of the differences are over style and political
dynamics. The bluestocking Dean might at times sound like a populist, but he
remains a centrist Democrat and fiscal conservative. And, like most leading
Democrats, he argues that the United States must stay in Iraq no matter how
much our presence there fuels greater conflict.

    "Now that we're there, we're there and we can't get out," he told the
Minnesota ACLU on April 20 of this year. "The president has created an
enormous security problem for the United States where none existed before.
But I hope the president is incredibly successful with his policy now that
he's there."(1)

    Many of us who want to bring the troops home believe that Dean is dead
wrong, and we will continue to tell him so. But that's just the point. By
revitalizing the party's base and reducing the power of big money, he is
giving us an increased chance to make our arguments and move the party in
our direction.

    This is an opening we cannot afford to ignore. Activists like the
Progressive Democrats of America have already gotten several state party
organizations to come out strongly against the war, and the battle has only
just begun.

    In time, Dr. Dean may join the anti-war movement. But, even if doesn't,
he needs and deserves our support in his fight to keep the Democratic Party
open and democratic.

    -------

    (1) "Howard Dean Warns of Danger in Iraq Pullout," Minneapolis
Star-Tribune, April 21, 2005.

 

From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 18 11:36:06 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Jun 17 21:43:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread
In-Reply-To: <000601c57431$aebf0160$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F40A5897F0A8610A1792E6B2F70@phx.gbl>

Leo wrote:
>Sure sounds like Michael to me!

It sure does. No wonder that Earl chose that card for you, Michael.

Nina


The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:15:18 -0400
>
>And as further support of this thought (that THE MAGICIAN is Michael's 
>card) I offer this snippet which I snagged off the 'net:
>
>"In the Rider-Waite Tarot we see a person dressed in white: his actions are 
>pure (meaning in harmony with himself and beneficial to the world). The 
>white band around his head shows that he has thought over his actions first 
>and approved them to serve his higher self. The red cloth he wears depicts 
>the passion and desire he puts into his magick. Red is the color of Aries 
>and the planet Mars, saying: "I want this and I want it now." With his 
>right raised arm he holds a white wand of pure creative light and through 
>his left downward arm he channels these energies to earth. Thus he 
>symbolizes the coming together of macrocosmos and microcosmos through 
>creativity and the love and truth of the open heart, since the center of 
>his left and right arm is between the 5th chakra (throat-chakra, creativity 
>and speech) and the 4th chakra (heart-chakra, unconditional love). Above 
>his head lies the lemniscate, symbol of infinity, transformation and high 
>spiritual power."
>
>Sure sounds like Michael to me!
>
>PEACE,
>Leo
>
>>From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
>>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
>
>...............................Earl Scott, Hair  official tarot card 
>reader, and a very special person, always said that The  Magician was 
>Michael's card in the tarot deck - that it represented 
>him...................
>Love,
>Nina
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Mb-hair mailing list
>Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 18 12:27:02 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Jun 17 22:34:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
References: <BED999ED.20DBA%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <00d501c5743b$b46d94a0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

yes it is the arabic symobol for infinity which is still used today from
which the symbol for the medical profession and the double helix derives


also there was talk about super heros
michael butler is my hero
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Cc: "Nina Dayton" <dayton3@rcn.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread


> Both came from Ragni.
> Infinity as Hair will go on for ever.
> 1 as it was tied to the Tarot and "according to Earl, you are a magician"
> I didn't disagree as Hair was so much magic.
> I always thought it was Arabic never really checked it out.
> M
>
>
> > I was recently talking to someone about the meaning of HAiR.
> >
> > We were discussing the significance of symbols the HAiR Logo.
> >
> > What do the symbols in the logo mean to you?
> >
> >
> >
> > Where did they come from?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sherwin Ross
> >
> > Tribe member
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Jun 18 12:32:02 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Jun 17 22:39:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F40A5897F0A8610A1792E6B2F70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BED9C4C2.20DED%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Listen!!!
If you all don't stop I will start writing about all lovely things I know
about you and that would not only jam this list perhaps even the www.
Thanks
Peace and Love,
Michael
 --Compassion is the state of being in touch with the
bright, beautiful and flawed nature of humanity



> Leo wrote:
>> Sure sounds like Michael to me!
> 
> It sure does. No wonder that Earl chose that card for you, Michael.
> 
> Nina
> 
> 
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> 
> 
> 
>> From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
>> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread
>> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:15:18 -0400
>> 
>> And as further support of this thought (that THE MAGICIAN is Michael's
>> card) I offer this snippet which I snagged off the 'net:
>> 
>> "In the Rider-Waite Tarot we see a person dressed in white: his actions are
>> pure (meaning in harmony with himself and beneficial to the world). The
>> white band around his head shows that he has thought over his actions first
>> and approved them to serve his higher self. The red cloth he wears depicts
>> the passion and desire he puts into his magick. Red is the color of Aries
>> and the planet Mars, saying: "I want this and I want it now." With his
>> right raised arm he holds a white wand of pure creative light and through
>> his left downward arm he channels these energies to earth. Thus he
>> symbolizes the coming together of macrocosmos and microcosmos through
>> creativity and the love and truth of the open heart, since the center of
>> his left and right arm is between the 5th chakra (throat-chakra, creativity
>> and speech) and the 4th chakra (heart-chakra, unconditional love). Above
>> his head lies the lemniscate, symbol of infinity, transformation and high
>> spiritual power."
>> 
>> Sure sounds like Michael to me!
>> 
>> PEACE,
>> Leo
>> 
>>> From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
>> 
>> ...............................Earl Scott, Hair  official tarot card
>> reader, and a very special person, always said that The  Magician was
>> Michael's card in the tarot deck - that it represented
>> him...................
>> Love,
>> Nina
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Jun 18 14:10:42 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sat Jun 18 00:18:25 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: [Mb-civic] richard in prison???
References: <20050618.104541.16134.143991@webmail10.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <003401c5744a$30597c60$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Richard relax I am also a clown, but then again I tend to believe we are all clowns in our own way let alone "gypsies' the 60's revovlution always had a basic foundation, we would always 'move'  & "follow the music" & believe in hope.

Peace
Robin
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lyle K'ang 
  To: mb-civic@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 1:45 PM
  Subject: [Mb-civic] richard in prison???


  ...meet in person not prison Richard; unless I cramp your style, conjure feelings of inadequacy-hateful, vengeful wrath-then yes, I would be a prison to some but....I am not one of those, I'm a clown too.


  Lyle 

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  i do not want to go to prison
  i am too pretty to go to prison\
  and i aint pretty
  ( i mean you either have to have a shakespeare fetish or dig clowns to think im cute; thats my look; it runs the gammet from shakespeare to bozo )
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Lyle K'ang 
    To: mb-civic@islandlists.com 
    Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 12:53 AM
    Subject: Re: [Mb-civic] Fw: ian stop being jerry falwell


    ...this is too much fun. We ALL need to meet in person. 

    How about Michael picking the spot.

    Give us time to get there, raise money-sit down, eye-to-eye and rank each other.

    No offense-no defense, just meet.


    Lyle K'ang

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    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: richard haase 
    To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
    Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:19 PM
    Subject: ian stop being jerry falwell


    i saw you
    i too am a born again christian
    but youre a jew like me i saw you ian
    youre not all that goyish lol
    thats a joke guys
    no offense meant please dont crucify me
    whoops
    ( putting his foot deeper and deeper )
    richard in the project pit

    peace love
    ( joking joking )


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From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sat Jun 18 03:09:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
Message-ID: <54620-220056019024505@M2W032.mail2web.com>

Hi Gerald,
 have you thought about WHY all those bees and other insects and MICE!! 
stay away form BOUNCE??
 There probably is a good reason. and that is that it's NOT too healthy.
There probably is some poisonous stuff in there. 
I don't have proof, of course, i'm just thinking out loud.

But for letter carriers and uniforms it sounds like a great idea.
Just don't get carried (pun pun!) away with all the other uses.

 I personally hate the smell of Bounce. Maybe I was an insect in another
life??

I would NEVER use it in anything containing food! and I don't use it in my
clothes 
dryer because I  cannot wear anything that has been permeated with that
odor.
makes me sneeze.

 Some of the listed uses are probably OK, 
but maybe conventional cleaning and washing clothes (and airing sneakers!!) 
will work better than enveloping yourself and your whole house in the
bouncy smell.

An alternate 'smelly" solution for keeping a fresh scent in closets etc is
cedar wood 
chips. or lavender blossoms, dried. 
 I have not tried playing sports with a bit in the back pocket. 
who knows...
 let me know if anybody has experimented with that.

Dagmar


  Original Message:
-----------------
From: Gerald Gerald dekuyper@sbcglobal.net
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
To: dekuyper@sbcglobal.net
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...


Bounce this around!
 
Great Tip....Who woulda thought?

 
1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
yellow jackets away.

 
Use them all the time when playing baseball and
soccer. I use it when I am working outside. It really
works. The yellow jackets just veer around you. And
all this time you've! just been putting Bounce in the
dryer!

 
2.  It will chase ants away when you lay a sheet near
them.

 
3.  It also repels mice. Spread them around foundation
areas, or in trailers, cars that are sitting and it
keeps mice from entering your vehicle.

 
4.  It takes the odor out of books and photo albums
that don't get opened too often.

 
5.  Repels mosquitoes. Tie a sheet of Bounce through a
belt loop when outdoors during mosquito season.

 
6.  Eliminates static electricity from your television
(or computer) screen. Since Bounce is designed to help
eliminate static cling, wipe your television screen
with a used sheet of Bounce to keep dust from
resettling.

 
7.  Dissolve soap scum from shower doors. Clean with a
sheet of Bounce.

 
8.  Freshen the air in your home. Place an individual
sheet of Bounce in a drawer or hang in the closet.

 
9.  Put Bounce sheet in vacuum cleaner.

 
10. Prevent thread from tangling. Run a threaded
needle through sheet of Bounce before beginning to
sew.

 
11. Prevent musty suitcases. Place an individual sheet
of Bounce inside empty luggage before storing.

 
12. Freshen the air in your car. Place a sheet of
Bounce under the front seat.

 
13. Clean baked-on foods from a cooking pan. Put a
sheet in a pan, fill with water, let sit overnight,
and sponge clean. The antistatic agent apparently
weakens the bond between the food.

 
14. Eliminate odors in wastebaskets.. Place a sheet of
Bounce at the bottom of the wastebasket.

 
15. Collect cat hair. Rubbing the area with a sheet of
Bounce will magnetically attract all the loose hairs.

 
16. Eliminate static electricity from Venetian blinds.
Wipe the blinds with a sheet of Bounce to prevent dust
from resettling.

 
17. Wipe up sawdust from drilling or sand papering. A
used sheet of Bounce will collect sawdust like a tack
cloth.

 
18. Eliminate odors in dirty laundry. Place an
individual sheet of Bounce at the bottom of a laundry
bag or hamper. 
Deodorize shoes or sneakers. Place a sheet of Bounce
in your shoes or sneakers overnight.

 
19. Golfers put a Bounce sheet in their back pocket to
keep the bees away.

 
20. Put a Bounce sheet in your sleeping bag and tent
before folding and storing them. Keeps them smelling
fresh.


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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sat Jun 18 16:45:24 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sat Jun 18 03:16:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The Infinity Symbol above the "I" in HAIR
Message-ID: <50490-22005661823452496@M2W055.mail2web.com>

Hi tribe!

 The lying down "8" is indeed the infinity symbol. 
it is a Moebius, named after the man who came up with the mathematical
formula 
(which you probably can find on the Internet!) 

Anton (my hubby, the artist) has been creating  moebius variations for many
years. 
it is an intriguing shape!

 Try this:

you take a strip of paper, about 1 foot long, 3" wide. 
Easy to see that it has TWO surfaces

lay it flat, pick it up at both ends and give it one twist, 
then attach the two ends to each other with tape.
NOW: Follow the surface with your finger. What happened to the two
surfaces? 
Surprise: They are now ONE. 
Your finger can go round and round inside and out, in-de-finitely...
What do we have here? A moebius.

This could open up a whole wonderful series of interpretations and
philosophical 
explanations.
 
Have fun
Love
 Dagmar

I am attaching one of Anton's bronzes. 
It is covered in relief images of a tree of life.
 And it rotates on its base.


 Original Message:
-----------------
From: richard haase hotprojects@nyc.rr.com
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:39:59 -0400
To: sherwin@aceross.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread


i believe the unique dot above the i is an ancient infinity symbol 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sherwin Ross 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:10 AM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread


  I was recently talking to someone about the meaning of HAiR.

  We were discussing the significance of symbols the HAiR Logo.

  What do the symbols in the logo mean to you?

   

  Where did they come from?

   

   

  Sherwin Ross

  Tribe member



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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 18 17:22:22 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sat Jun 18 03:30:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The Infinity Symbol above the "I" in HAIR
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Dear Dagmar,

Thanks very much for the photo of Anton's wonderful sculpture. The mobius is 
an endlessly fascinating thing - you can do great things with it in knitting 
too. Also interesting is that if you take that paper mobius you talked about 
making, insert a scissors midway in the 3 inch width and cut the long way 
around you don't wind up with two one-and-a-half inch mobius' but one mobius 
that is twice as long as the original one. One can keep cutting it in half 
again and again but it still goes on, in theory forever. The perfect symbol 
for infinity and the perfect symbol for Hair.

Nina

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>From: "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>
>Reply-To: fotoblue@flash.net, mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] The Infinity Symbol above the "I" in HAIR
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:45:24 -0400
>
>Hi tribe!
>
>  The lying down "8" is indeed the infinity symbol.
>it is a Moebius, named after the man who came up with the mathematical
>formula
>(which you probably can find on the Internet!)
>
>Anton (my hubby, the artist) has been creating  moebius variations for many
>years.
>it is an intriguing shape!
>
>  Try this:
>
>you take a strip of paper, about 1 foot long, 3" wide.
>Easy to see that it has TWO surfaces
>
>lay it flat, pick it up at both ends and give it one twist,
>then attach the two ends to each other with tape.
>NOW: Follow the surface with your finger. What happened to the two
>surfaces?
>Surprise: They are now ONE.
>Your finger can go round and round inside and out, in-de-finitely...
>What do we have here? A moebius.
>
>This could open up a whole wonderful series of interpretations and
>philosophical
>explanations.
>
>Have fun
>Love
>  Dagmar
>
>I am attaching one of Anton's bronzes.
>It is covered in relief images of a tree of life.
>  And it rotates on its base.
>
>
>  Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: richard haase hotprojects@nyc.rr.com
>Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:39:59 -0400
>To: sherwin@aceross.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
>
>
>i believe the unique dot above the i is an ancient infinity symbol
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Sherwin Ross
>   To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>   Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:10 AM
>   Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
>
>
>   I was recently talking to someone about the meaning of HAiR.
>
>   We were discussing the significance of symbols the HAiR Logo.
>
>   What do the symbols in the logo mean to you?
>
>
>
>   Where did they come from?
>
>
>
>
>
>   Sherwin Ross
>
>   Tribe member
>
>
>
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Jun 18 17:24:54 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Jun 18 03:32:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The Infinity Symbol above the "I" in HAIR
In-Reply-To: <50490-22005661823452496@M2W055.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BEDA0966.20DFB%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Very interesting.
Thanks for sharing.
XO Michael

> Hi tribe!
> 
> The lying down "8" is indeed the infinity symbol.
> it is a Moebius, named after the man who came up with the mathematical
> formula 
> (which you probably can find on the Internet!)
> 
> Anton (my hubby, the artist) has been creating  moebius variations for many
> years. 
> it is an intriguing shape!
> 
> Try this:
> 
> you take a strip of paper, about 1 foot long, 3" wide.
> Easy to see that it has TWO surfaces
> 
> lay it flat, pick it up at both ends and give it one twist,
> then attach the two ends to each other with tape.
> NOW: Follow the surface with your finger. What happened to the two
> surfaces? 
> Surprise: They are now ONE.
> Your finger can go round and round inside and out, in-de-finitely...
> What do we have here? A moebius.
> 
> This could open up a whole wonderful series of interpretations and
> philosophical 
> explanations.
> 
> Have fun
> Love
> Dagmar
> 
> I am attaching one of Anton's bronzes.
> It is covered in relief images of a tree of life.
> And it rotates on its base.
> 
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: richard haase hotprojects@nyc.rr.com
> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:39:59 -0400
> To: sherwin@aceross.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
> 
> 
> i believe the unique dot above the i is an ancient infinity symbol
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sherwin Ross
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:10 AM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
> 
> 
> I was recently talking to someone about the meaning of HAiR.
> 
> We were discussing the significance of symbols the HAiR Logo.
> 
> What do the symbols in the logo mean to you?
> 
>  
> 
> Where did they come from?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Sherwin Ross
> 
> Tribe member
> 
> 
> 
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Jun 18 17:28:01 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sat Jun 18 03:35:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
References: <54620-220056019024505@M2W032.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c57465$c09b9db0$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Dagmar

There is no reason to over analyze, a good blow job is always a good blow 
job . :)

Love forever
Robin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...


> Hi Gerald,
> have you thought about WHY all those bees and other insects and MICE!!
> stay away form BOUNCE??
> There probably is a good reason. and that is that it's NOT too healthy.
> There probably is some poisonous stuff in there.
> I don't have proof, of course, i'm just thinking out loud.
>
> But for letter carriers and uniforms it sounds like a great idea.
> Just don't get carried (pun pun!) away with all the other uses.
>
> I personally hate the smell of Bounce. Maybe I was an insect in another
> life??
>
> I would NEVER use it in anything containing food! and I don't use it in my
> clothes
> dryer because I  cannot wear anything that has been permeated with that
> odor.
> makes me sneeze.
>
> Some of the listed uses are probably OK,
> but maybe conventional cleaning and washing clothes (and airing 
> sneakers!!)
> will work better than enveloping yourself and your whole house in the
> bouncy smell.
>
> An alternate 'smelly" solution for keeping a fresh scent in closets etc is
> cedar wood
> chips. or lavender blossoms, dried.
> I have not tried playing sports with a bit in the back pocket.
> who knows...
> let me know if anybody has experimented with that.
>
> Dagmar
>
>
>  Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Gerald Gerald dekuyper@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
> To: dekuyper@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
>
>
> Bounce this around!
>
> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
>
>
> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
> yellow jackets away.
>
>
> Use them all the time when playing baseball and
> soccer. I use it when I am working outside. It really
> works. The yellow jackets just veer around you. And
> all this time you've! just been putting Bounce in the
> dryer!
>
>
> 2.  It will chase ants away when you lay a sheet near
> them.
>
>
> 3.  It also repels mice. Spread them around foundation
> areas, or in trailers, cars that are sitting and it
> keeps mice from entering your vehicle.
>
>
> 4.  It takes the odor out of books and photo albums
> that don't get opened too often.
>
>
> 5.  Repels mosquitoes. Tie a sheet of Bounce through a
> belt loop when outdoors during mosquito season.
>
>
> 6.  Eliminates static electricity from your television
> (or computer) screen. Since Bounce is designed to help
> eliminate static cling, wipe your television screen
> with a used sheet of Bounce to keep dust from
> resettling.
>
>
> 7.  Dissolve soap scum from shower doors. Clean with a
> sheet of Bounce.
>
>
> 8.  Freshen the air in your home. Place an individual
> sheet of Bounce in a drawer or hang in the closet.
>
>
> 9.  Put Bounce sheet in vacuum cleaner.
>
>
> 10. Prevent thread from tangling. Run a threaded
> needle through sheet of Bounce before beginning to
> sew.
>
>
> 11. Prevent musty suitcases. Place an individual sheet
> of Bounce inside empty luggage before storing.
>
>
> 12. Freshen the air in your car. Place a sheet of
> Bounce under the front seat.
>
>
> 13. Clean baked-on foods from a cooking pan. Put a
> sheet in a pan, fill with water, let sit overnight,
> and sponge clean. The antistatic agent apparently
> weakens the bond between the food.
>
>
> 14. Eliminate odors in wastebaskets.. Place a sheet of
> Bounce at the bottom of the wastebasket.
>
>
> 15. Collect cat hair. Rubbing the area with a sheet of
> Bounce will magnetically attract all the loose hairs.
>
>
> 16. Eliminate static electricity from Venetian blinds.
> Wipe the blinds with a sheet of Bounce to prevent dust
> from resettling.
>
>
> 17. Wipe up sawdust from drilling or sand papering. A
> used sheet of Bounce will collect sawdust like a tack
> cloth.
>
>
> 18. Eliminate odors in dirty laundry. Place an
> individual sheet of Bounce at the bottom of a laundry
> bag or hamper.
> Deodorize shoes or sneakers. Place a sheet of Bounce
> in your shoes or sneakers overnight.
>
>
> 19. Golfers put a Bounce sheet in their back pocket to
> keep the bees away.
>
>
> 20. Put a Bounce sheet in your sleeping bag and tent
> before folding and storing them. Keeps them smelling
> fresh.
>
>
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sat Jun 18 17:39:08 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sat Jun 18 03:46:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread
Message-ID: <2510-2200560190398372@M2W076.mail2web.com>

THANK YOU, Nina!
 and for the pictures, too!
Love
 Dagmar


Original Message:
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From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:44:49 +0000
To: sherwin@aceross.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] HAiR Thread


Great question Sherwin!

I have heard several stories over the years as to the symbolism of the
signs 
in the Hair logo. I like the one that Michael mentioned. Earl Scott, Hair 
official tarot card reader, and a very special person, always said that The 
Magician was Michael's card in the tarot deck - that it represented him. As 
Michael said there is great magic in Hair, and so it could be said that The 
Magician is also Hair's card. It  was painted as a curtain that was used on 
the second level of the tower set in many productions.  If one looks
closely 
at the card from the Waite Rider tarot deck (the deck that the tarot images 
used in Hair came from) one sees that over the magician's head there is an 
infinity sign and a roman numeral I (it is the first card in the major 
arcana, one of the two sections of cards in a tarot deck (major arcana has 
titled cards like The Lovers, The Magician, The Fool, The Sun, The Moon, 
etc, minor arcana has 1 through King of the "suits" of a tarot card deck - 
cups, wands, swords, pentacles - but this is probably more than you wanted 
to know!)

So we have the numeral I and the infinity sign on The Magician tarot card, 
Michael's card and Hair's card, which is also decorated on the top with 
hanging vines, which image was used to create the marquee of the Biltmore 
theatre. I attach two photos - one of the Magician card from the Waite
Rider 
deck, and also one of the Biltmore Theatre's Marquee during Hair's run.

To me personally the infinity sign has always meant that Hair would go on 
forever. The I referred originally to the first, or Broadway, production. 
Very briefly other productions had different numbers, which can
occasionally 
be seen on playbills (I think Chicago had a 2?) but fairly soon all the 
companies used the logo with the I, regardless of what company they were.

There are other interpretations of the symbolism, and i would love to hear 
what others had heard. Or better yet, what they interpret the symbolism as 
being for them.

Love,
Nina

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From venuetheatre at juno.com  Sun Jun 19 06:11:14 2005
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (venuetheatre@juno.com)
Date: Sat Jun 18 16:22:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
Message-ID: <20050619.091343.3864.6.venuetheatre@juno.com>

Ohmygosh!  Lyle!  Hello!  It is Corinne, how are you?
Have you seen Sherman?  He is back in Hawaii!
Love


PS  Loved the Bounce thing, does it have to be that brand?

Wherever the meeting is, I want to go, can someone email me outside the
list, I have trouble following the threads with all the duplications, and
somehow I miss stuff.

Where is Sharmagne?

Corinne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Sat Jun 18 19:30:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: Two Top Guns Shoot Blanks
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Jun 19 11:05:15 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Jun 18 21:12:56 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
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Sharmagne last heard from in UK
I think going to Washington
XO M

> Ohmygosh!  Lyle!  Hello!  It is Corinne, how are you?
> Have you seen Sherman?  He is back in Hawaii!
> Love
> 
> 
> PS  Loved the Bounce thing, does it have to be that brand?
> 
> Wherever the meeting is, I want to go, can someone email me outside the
> list, I have trouble following the threads with all the duplications, and
> somehow I miss stuff.
> 
> Where is Sharmagne?
> 
> Corinne
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
> Venue Theatre is a not for profit 501(c)(3) Corporation.  Our office is
> located at  5124 Ninth Avenue N, St Petersburg, FL 33710.  Please send
> all mail to the office.
> The Studio is at 9125 US 19 N, Pinellas Park (at Mainlands Blvd.)
> 727-822-6194  cell  727-656-8525
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Jun 19 15:25:47 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Jun 19 01:33:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV135321F093FCFC62973ED5ABF60@phx.gbl>

Leo.....   I agree... :-)

peqace,
barbara


From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Jun 19 15:40:00 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Jun 19 01:47:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
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Corinne...

As far as I know Sharmagne is doing her Native American thing... which are good deeds.

peace,
barbara

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From: venuetheatre@juno.com
Sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:11:14 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang

Ohmygosh!  Lyle!  Hello!  It is Corinne, how are you?
Have you seen Sherman?  He is back in Hawaii!
Love


PS  Loved the Bounce thing, does it have to be that brand?

Wherever the meeting is, I want to go, can someone email me outside the
list, I have trouble following the threads with all the duplications, and
somehow I miss stuff.

Where is Sharmagne?

Corinne
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Jun 19 17:37:45 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Jun 19 03:45:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War     By Thomas
	Wagner     The Associated Press 
Message-ID: <BEDB5DE9.20E90%michael@michaelbutler.com>

    Go to Original

    Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War
    By Thomas Wagner
    The Associated Press

    Saturday 18 June 2005

    When Prime Minister Tony Blair's chief foreign policy adviser dined with
Condoleezza Rice six months after Sept. 11, the then-U.S. national security
adviser didn't want to discuss Osama bin Laden or al-Qadir. She wanted to
talk about "regime change" in Iraq, setting the stage for the U.S.-led
invasion more than a year later.

    President Bush wanted Blair's support, but British officials worried the
White House was rushing to war, according to a series of leaked secret
Downing Street memos that have renewed questions and debate about
Washington's motives for ousting Saddam Hussein.

    In one of the memos, British Foreign Office political director Peter
Ricketts openly asks whether the Bush administration had a clear and
compelling military reason for war.

    "U.S. scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al-Qaida is so far
frankly unconvincing," Ricketts says in the memo. "For Iraq, `regime change'
does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam."

    The documents confirm Blair was genuinely concerned about Saddam's
alleged weapons of mass destruction, but also indicate he was determined to
go to war as America's top ally, even though his government thought a
pre-emptive attack may be illegal under international law.

    "The truth is that what has changed is not the pace of Saddam Hussein's
WMD programs, but our tolerance of them post-11 September," said a typed
copy of a March 22, 2002 memo obtained Thursday by The Associated Press and
written to Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.

    "But even the best survey of Iraq's WMD programs will not show much
advance in recent years on the nuclear, missile or CW/BW (chemical or
biological weapons) fronts: the programs are extremely worrying but have
not, as far as we know, been stepped up."

    Details from Rice's dinner conversation also are included in one of the
secret memos from 2002, which reveal British concerns about both the
invasion and poor postwar planning by the Bush administration, which critics
say has allowed the Iraqi insurgency to rage.

    The eight memos - all labeled "secret" or "confidential" - were first
obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about them in
The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.

    Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained
the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying
the originals.

    The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have
circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said
their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because
of the secret nature of the material.

    The Sunday Times this week reported that lawyers told the British
government that U.S. and British bombing of Iraq in the months before the
war was illegal under international law. That report, also by Smith, noted
that almost a year before the war started, they began to strike more
frequently.

    The newspaper quoted Lord Goodhart, vice president of the International
Commission of Jurists, as backing the Foreign Office lawyers' view that
aircraft could only patrol the no-fly zones to deter attacks by Saddam's
forces.

    Goodhart said that if "the purpose was to soften up Iraq for a future
invasion or even to intimidate Iraq, the coalition forces were acting
without lawful authority," the Sunday Times reported.

    The eight documents reported earlier total 36 pages and range from
10-page and eight-page studies on military and legal options in Iraq, to
brief memorandums from British officials and the minutes of a private
meeting held by Blair and his top advisers.

    Toby Dodge, an Iraq expert who teaches at Queen Mary College, University
of London, said the documents confirmed what post-invasion investigations
have found.

    "The documents show what official inquiries in Britain already have,
that the case of weapons of mass destruction was based on thin intelligence
and was used to inflate the evidence to the level of mendacity," Dodge said.
"In going to war with Bush, Blair defended the special relationship between
the two countries, like other British leaders have. But he knew he was
taking a huge political risk at home. He knew the war's legality was
questionable and its unpopularity was never in doubt."

    Dodge said the memos also show Blair was aware of the postwar
instability that was likely among Iraq's complex mix of Sunnis, Shiites and
Kurds once Saddam was defeated.

    The British documents confirm, as well, that "soon after 9/11 happened,
the starting gun was fired for the invasion of Iraq," Dodge said.

    Speculation about if and when that would happen ran throughout 2002.

    On Jan. 29, Bush called Iraq, Iran and North Korea "an axis of evil."
U.S. newspapers began reporting soon afterward that a U.S.-led war with Iraq
was possible.

    On Oct. 16, the U.S. Congress voted to authorize Bush to go to war
against Iraq. On Feb. 5, 2003, then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell
presented the Bush administration's case about Iraq's weapons to the U.N.
Security Council. On March 19-20, the U.S.-led invasion began.

    Bush and Blair both have been criticized at home since their WMD claims
about Iraq proved false. But both have been re-elected, defending the
conflict for removing a brutal dictator and promoting democracy in Iraq.
Both administrations have dismissed the memos as old news.

    Details of the memos appeared in papers early last month but the news in
Britain quickly turned to the election that returned Blair to power. In the
United States, however, details of the memos' contents reignited a
firestorm, especially among Democratic critics of Bush.

    It was in a March 14, 2002, memo that Blair's chief foreign policy
adviser, David Manning, told the prime minister about the dinner he had just
had with Rice in Washington.

    "We spent a long time at dinner on Iraq," wrote Manning, who's now
British ambassador to the United States. Rice is now Bush's secretary of
state.

    "It is clear that Bush is grateful for your (Blair's) support and has
registered that you are getting flak. I said that you would not budge in
your support for regime change but you had to manage a press, a Parliament
and a public opinion that was very different than anything in the States.
And you would not budge either in your insistence that, if we pursued regime
change, it must be very carefully done and produce the right result. Failure
was not an option."

    Manning said, "Condi's enthusiasm for regime change is undimmed." But he
also said there were signs of greater awareness of the practical
difficulties and political risks.

    Blair was to meet with Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, on April 8,
and Manning told his boss: "No doubt we need to keep a sense of perspective.
But my talks with Condi convinced me that Bush wants to hear your views on
Iraq before taking decisions. He also wants your support. He is still
smarting from the comments by other European leaders on his Iraq policy."

    A July 21 briefing paper given to officials preparing for a July 23
meeting with Blair says officials must "ensure that the benefits of action
outweigh the risks."

    "In particular we need to be sure that the outcome of the military
action would match our objective... A postwar occupation of Iraq could lead
to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise. As already made clear,
the U.S. military plans are virtually silent on this point."

    The British worried that, "Washington could look to us to share a
disproportionate share of the burden. Further work is required to define
more precisely the means by which the desired end state would be created, in
particular what form of government might replace Saddam Hussein's regime and
the time scale within which it would be possible to identify a successor."

    In the March 22 memo from Foreign Office political director Ricketts to
Foreign Secretary Straw, Ricketts outlined how to win public and
parliamentary support for a war in Britain: "We have to be convincing that:
the threat is so serious/imminent that it is worth sending our troops to die
for; it is qualitatively different from the threat posed by other
proliferators who are closer to achieving nuclear capability (including
Iran)."

    Blair's government has been criticized for releasing an intelligence
dossier on Iraq before the war that warned Saddam could launch chemical or
biological weapons on 45 minutes' notice.

    On March 25 Straw wrote a memo to Blair, saying he would have a tough
time convincing the governing Labour Party that a pre-emptive strike against
Iraq was legal under international law.

    "If 11 September had not happened, it is doubtful that the U.S. would
now be considering military action against Iraq," Straw wrote. "In addition,
there has been no credible evidence to link Iraq with OBL (Osama bin Laden)
and al-Qaida."

    He also questioned stability in a post-Saddam Iraq: "We have also to
answer the big question - what will this action achieve? There seems to be a
larger hole in this than on anything."


From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Jun 19 17:46:53 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sun Jun 19 03:54:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War By
	ThomasWagner The Associated Press
References: <BEDB5DE9.20E90%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c57531$8d6b6480$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Michael

Are we really thinking about people "fretting" over the war, what a fuckin' 
joke that is.

Love forever
Robin





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "Civic" <mb-civic@islandlists.com>; "HAIR List" 
<mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:37 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War By ThomasWagner 
The Associated Press


>    Go to Original
>
>    Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War
>    By Thomas Wagner
>    The Associated Press
>
>    Saturday 18 June 2005
>
>    When Prime Minister Tony Blair's chief foreign policy adviser dined 
> with
> Condoleezza Rice six months after Sept. 11, the then-U.S. national 
> security
> adviser didn't want to discuss Osama bin Laden or al-Qadir. She wanted to
> talk about "regime change" in Iraq, setting the stage for the U.S.-led
> invasion more than a year later.
>
>    President Bush wanted Blair's support, but British officials worried 
> the
> White House was rushing to war, according to a series of leaked secret
> Downing Street memos that have renewed questions and debate about
> Washington's motives for ousting Saddam Hussein.
>
>    In one of the memos, British Foreign Office political director Peter
> Ricketts openly asks whether the Bush administration had a clear and
> compelling military reason for war.
>
>    "U.S. scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al-Qaida is so 
> far
> frankly unconvincing," Ricketts says in the memo. "For Iraq, `regime 
> change'
> does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam."
>
>    The documents confirm Blair was genuinely concerned about Saddam's
> alleged weapons of mass destruction, but also indicate he was determined 
> to
> go to war as America's top ally, even though his government thought a
> pre-emptive attack may be illegal under international law.
>
>    "The truth is that what has changed is not the pace of Saddam Hussein's
> WMD programs, but our tolerance of them post-11 September," said a typed
> copy of a March 22, 2002 memo obtained Thursday by The Associated Press 
> and
> written to Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.
>
>    "But even the best survey of Iraq's WMD programs will not show much
> advance in recent years on the nuclear, missile or CW/BW (chemical or
> biological weapons) fronts: the programs are extremely worrying but have
> not, as far as we know, been stepped up."
>
>    Details from Rice's dinner conversation also are included in one of the
> secret memos from 2002, which reveal British concerns about both the
> invasion and poor postwar planning by the Bush administration, which 
> critics
> say has allowed the Iraqi insurgency to rage.
>
>    The eight memos - all labeled "secret" or "confidential" - were first
> obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about them in
> The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.
>
>    Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained
> the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and destroying
> the originals.
>
>    The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have
> circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said
> their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity 
> because
> of the secret nature of the material.
>
>    The Sunday Times this week reported that lawyers told the British
> government that U.S. and British bombing of Iraq in the months before the
> war was illegal under international law. That report, also by Smith, noted
> that almost a year before the war started, they began to strike more
> frequently.
>
>    The newspaper quoted Lord Goodhart, vice president of the International
> Commission of Jurists, as backing the Foreign Office lawyers' view that
> aircraft could only patrol the no-fly zones to deter attacks by Saddam's
> forces.
>
>    Goodhart said that if "the purpose was to soften up Iraq for a future
> invasion or even to intimidate Iraq, the coalition forces were acting
> without lawful authority," the Sunday Times reported.
>
>    The eight documents reported earlier total 36 pages and range from
> 10-page and eight-page studies on military and legal options in Iraq, to
> brief memorandums from British officials and the minutes of a private
> meeting held by Blair and his top advisers.
>
>    Toby Dodge, an Iraq expert who teaches at Queen Mary College, 
> University
> of London, said the documents confirmed what post-invasion investigations
> have found.
>
>    "The documents show what official inquiries in Britain already have,
> that the case of weapons of mass destruction was based on thin 
> intelligence
> and was used to inflate the evidence to the level of mendacity," Dodge 
> said.
> "In going to war with Bush, Blair defended the special relationship 
> between
> the two countries, like other British leaders have. But he knew he was
> taking a huge political risk at home. He knew the war's legality was
> questionable and its unpopularity was never in doubt."
>
>    Dodge said the memos also show Blair was aware of the postwar
> instability that was likely among Iraq's complex mix of Sunnis, Shiites 
> and
> Kurds once Saddam was defeated.
>
>    The British documents confirm, as well, that "soon after 9/11 happened,
> the starting gun was fired for the invasion of Iraq," Dodge said.
>
>    Speculation about if and when that would happen ran throughout 2002.
>
>    On Jan. 29, Bush called Iraq, Iran and North Korea "an axis of evil."
> U.S. newspapers began reporting soon afterward that a U.S.-led war with 
> Iraq
> was possible.
>
>    On Oct. 16, the U.S. Congress voted to authorize Bush to go to war
> against Iraq. On Feb. 5, 2003, then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell
> presented the Bush administration's case about Iraq's weapons to the U.N.
> Security Council. On March 19-20, the U.S.-led invasion began.
>
>    Bush and Blair both have been criticized at home since their WMD claims
> about Iraq proved false. But both have been re-elected, defending the
> conflict for removing a brutal dictator and promoting democracy in Iraq.
> Both administrations have dismissed the memos as old news.
>
>    Details of the memos appeared in papers early last month but the news 
> in
> Britain quickly turned to the election that returned Blair to power. In 
> the
> United States, however, details of the memos' contents reignited a
> firestorm, especially among Democratic critics of Bush.
>
>    It was in a March 14, 2002, memo that Blair's chief foreign policy
> adviser, David Manning, told the prime minister about the dinner he had 
> just
> had with Rice in Washington.
>
>    "We spent a long time at dinner on Iraq," wrote Manning, who's now
> British ambassador to the United States. Rice is now Bush's secretary of
> state.
>
>    "It is clear that Bush is grateful for your (Blair's) support and has
> registered that you are getting flak. I said that you would not budge in
> your support for regime change but you had to manage a press, a Parliament
> and a public opinion that was very different than anything in the States.
> And you would not budge either in your insistence that, if we pursued 
> regime
> change, it must be very carefully done and produce the right result. 
> Failure
> was not an option."
>
>    Manning said, "Condi's enthusiasm for regime change is undimmed." But 
> he
> also said there were signs of greater awareness of the practical
> difficulties and political risks.
>
>    Blair was to meet with Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, on April 
> 8,
> and Manning told his boss: "No doubt we need to keep a sense of 
> perspective.
> But my talks with Condi convinced me that Bush wants to hear your views on
> Iraq before taking decisions. He also wants your support. He is still
> smarting from the comments by other European leaders on his Iraq policy."
>
>    A July 21 briefing paper given to officials preparing for a July 23
> meeting with Blair says officials must "ensure that the benefits of action
> outweigh the risks."
>
>    "In particular we need to be sure that the outcome of the military
> action would match our objective... A postwar occupation of Iraq could 
> lead
> to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise. As already made 
> clear,
> the U.S. military plans are virtually silent on this point."
>
>    The British worried that, "Washington could look to us to share a
> disproportionate share of the burden. Further work is required to define
> more precisely the means by which the desired end state would be created, 
> in
> particular what form of government might replace Saddam Hussein's regime 
> and
> the time scale within which it would be possible to identify a successor."
>
>    In the March 22 memo from Foreign Office political director Ricketts to
> Foreign Secretary Straw, Ricketts outlined how to win public and
> parliamentary support for a war in Britain: "We have to be convincing 
> that:
> the threat is so serious/imminent that it is worth sending our troops to 
> die
> for; it is qualitatively different from the threat posed by other
> proliferators who are closer to achieving nuclear capability (including
> Iran)."
>
>    Blair's government has been criticized for releasing an intelligence
> dossier on Iraq before the war that warned Saddam could launch chemical or
> biological weapons on 45 minutes' notice.
>
>    On March 25 Straw wrote a memo to Blair, saying he would have a tough
> time convincing the governing Labour Party that a pre-emptive strike 
> against
> Iraq was legal under international law.
>
>    "If 11 September had not happened, it is doubtful that the U.S. would
> now be considering military action against Iraq," Straw wrote. "In 
> addition,
> there has been no credible evidence to link Iraq with OBL (Osama bin 
> Laden)
> and al-Qaida."
>
>    He also questioned stability in a post-Saddam Iraq: "We have also to
> answer the big question - what will this action achieve? There seems to be 
> a
> larger hole in this than on anything."
>
>
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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Mon Jun 20 08:37:05 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Sun Jun 19 19:03:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
Message-ID: <010101c575ad$eab35360$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Gerald, Gerald,

"Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful stuff ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the mailboxes of your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about and discussing things HAIR?

I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in expressing my dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter how "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes me (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association -- because the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a place just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better housekeeping, it loses its credibility.

Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have, because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of Bounce! : )

Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant.  Gerald Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.

Wearily,

Tioga Joe

====================

Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>

Bounce this around!
 
Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
 
1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
yellow jackets away.

[ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]

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From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Sun Jun 19 19:08:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread
Message-ID: <010a01c575ae$8448f3e0$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Too bad, Dear Michael.  You are special (and magical) to us, whether you like it or not!  : )  (You, Silver Indian, you!)

--Tioga Joe

Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:32:02 -0700
From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>

Listen!!!
If you all don't stop I will start writing about all lovely things I know
about you and that would not only jam this list perhaps even the www.
Thanks
Peace and Love,
Michael
 --Compassion is the state of being in touch with the
bright, beautiful and flawed nature of humanity




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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Jun 20 09:48:45 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun 19 19:56:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread
References: <010a01c575ae$8448f3e0$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>
Message-ID: <004201c575b7$ec762d80$6e436c42@hotprojects>

yes you are magical to us
dont push it or well start conspiring against you
lol
( thats a joke guys )
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sibley Smith 
  To: Butler, Michael - HAIR List 
  Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread


  Too bad, Dear Michael.  You are special (and magical) to us, whether you like it or not!  : )  (You, Silver Indian, you!)

  --Tioga Joe

  Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:32:02 -0700
  From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>

  Listen!!!
  If you all don't stop I will start writing about all lovely things I know
  about you and that would not only jam this list perhaps even the www.
  Thanks
  Peace and Love,
  Michael
   --Compassion is the state of being in touch with the
  bright, beautiful and flawed nature of humanity






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From michael at intrafi.com  Mon Jun 20 11:19:31 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sun Jun 19 21:27:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Destroying PBS
Message-ID: <20050620181931.81E4AB8083@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



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Destroying PBS
http://www.alternet.org/story/22262

A Bush-appointed political operative says he'll erase bias at PBS ... by inserting bias.
-------------------------------------

From redwing at infinet.com  Mon Jun 20 12:00:23 2005
From: redwing at infinet.com (Russell Carlson)
Date: Sun Jun 19 22:09:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Corinne
Message-ID: <200506201900.j5KJ0NxU097718@mail1.mx.voyager.net>


Corinne:
Wow, it is nice to see you on the list here. Been a few years for sure.
Heard you have your own theatre in St. Pete. That is cool. I am in 
Columbus , Ohio working for a large production house doing lighting for 
corporate events all over the place. i have a good time, but I'd love 
to have my own theatre. Let me know how you are doing. I think I am 
changing my main email location. New one is redwing2@net.

Peace, Love, Groovy Good Vibes,
Rusty Carlson
( LA stage Manager)



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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 09:11:14 -0400
> From: venuetheatre@juno.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Message-ID: <20050619.091343.3864.6.venuetheatre@juno.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Ohmygosh!  Lyle!  Hello!  It is Corinne, how are you?
> Have you seen Sherman?  He is back in Hawaii!
> Love
> 
> 
> PS  Loved the Bounce thing, does it have to be that brand?
> 
> Wherever the meeting is, I want to go, can someone email me outside 
the
> list, I have trouble following the threads with all the duplications, 
and
> somehow I miss stuff.
> 
> Where is Sharmagne?
> 
> Corinne
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 16:22:59 +0000 (GMT)
> From: michael@intrafi.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: Two Top Guns Shoot Blanks
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
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> OPINION | June 19, 2005
> Op-Ed Columnist: Two Top Guns Shoot Blanks
> By FRANK RICH
> The boundary between reality and fiction has been blurred by show 
business, the news business and government.
> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/19/opinion/19rich.html?
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 11:05:15 -0700
> From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
> To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
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> 
> Sharmagne last heard from in UK
> I think going to Washington
> XO M
> 
> > Ohmygosh!  Lyle!  Hello!  It is Corinne, how are you?
> > Have you seen Sherman?  He is back in Hawaii!
> > Love
> >
> >
> > PS  Loved the Bounce thing, does it have to be that brand?
> >
> > Wherever the meeting is, I want to go, can someone email me outside 
the
> > list, I have trouble following the threads with all the 
duplications, and
> > somehow I miss stuff.
> >
> > Where is Sharmagne?
> >
> > Corinne
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
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office is
> > located at  5124 Ninth Avenue N, St Petersburg, FL 33710.  Please 
send
> > all mail to the office.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:25:47 GMT
> From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: HAiR Thread
> To: Leo <peacefreak@metrocast.net>, mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV135321F093FCFC62973ED5ABF60@phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> Leo.....   I agree... :-)
> 
> peqace,
> barbara
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 22:40:00 GMT
> From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
> To: venuetheatre@juno.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV360D24A73A7DE941644B5ABF60@phx.gbl>
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> 
> Corinne...
> 
> As far as I know Sharmagne is doing her Native American thing... 
which are good deeds.
> 
> peace,
> barbara
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: venuetheatre@juno.com
> Sent: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 06:11:14 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Lyle K'ang
> 
> Ohmygosh!  Lyle!  Hello!  It is Corinne, how are you?
> Have you seen Sherman?  He is back in Hawaii!
> Love
> 
> 
> PS  Loved the Bounce thing, does it have to be that brand?
> 
> Wherever the meeting is, I want to go, can someone email me outside 
the
> list, I have trouble following the threads with all the duplications, 
and
> somehow I miss stuff.
> 
> Where is Sharmagne?
> 
> Corinne
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
> Venue Theatre is a not for profit 501(c)(3) Corporation.  Our office 
is
> located at  5124 Ninth Avenue N, St Petersburg, FL 33710.  Please send
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:37:45 -0700
> From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War     By
> 	Thomas	Wagner     The Associated Press
> To: Civic <mb-civic@islandlists.com>, HAIR List
> 	<mb-hair@islandlists.com>
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> 
>     Go to Original
> 
>     Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War
>     By Thomas Wagner
>     The Associated Press
> 
>     Saturday 18 June 2005
> 
>     When Prime Minister Tony Blair's chief foreign policy adviser 
dined with
> Condoleezza Rice six months after Sept. 11, the then-U.S. national 
security
> adviser didn't want to discuss Osama bin Laden or al-Qadir. She 
wanted to
> talk about "regime change" in Iraq, setting the stage for the U.S.-led
> invasion more than a year later.
> 
>     President Bush wanted Blair's support, but British officials 
worried the
> White House was rushing to war, according to a series of leaked secret
> Downing Street memos that have renewed questions and debate about
> Washington's motives for ousting Saddam Hussein.
> 
>     In one of the memos, British Foreign Office political director 
Peter
> Ricketts openly asks whether the Bush administration had a clear and
> compelling military reason for war.
> 
>     "U.S. scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al-Qaida is 
so far
> frankly unconvincing," Ricketts says in the memo. "For Iraq, `regime 
change'
> does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam."
> 
>     The documents confirm Blair was genuinely concerned about Saddam's
> alleged weapons of mass destruction, but also indicate he was 
determined to
> go to war as America's top ally, even though his government thought a
> pre-emptive attack may be illegal under international law.
> 
>     "The truth is that what has changed is not the pace of Saddam 
Hussein's
> WMD programs, but our tolerance of them post-11 September," said a 
typed
> copy of a March 22, 2002 memo obtained Thursday by The Associated 
Press and
> written to Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.
> 
>     "But even the best survey of Iraq's WMD programs will not show 
much
> advance in recent years on the nuclear, missile or CW/BW (chemical or
> biological weapons) fronts: the programs are extremely worrying but 
have
> not, as far as we know, been stepped up."
> 
>     Details from Rice's dinner conversation also are included in one 
of the
> secret memos from 2002, which reveal British concerns about both the
> invasion and poor postwar planning by the Bush administration, which 
critics
> say has allowed the Iraqi insurgency to rage.
> 
>     The eight memos - all labeled "secret" or "confidential" - were 
first
> obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about 
them in
> The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.
> 
>     Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had 
obtained
> the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and 
destroying
> the originals.
> 
>     The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have
> circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies 
said
> their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity 
because
> of the secret nature of the material.
> 
>     The Sunday Times this week reported that lawyers told the British
> government that U.S. and British bombing of Iraq in the months before 
the
> war was illegal under international law. That report, also by Smith, 
noted
> that almost a year before the war started, they began to strike more
> frequently.
> 
>     The newspaper quoted Lord Goodhart, vice president of the 
International
> Commission of Jurists, as backing the Foreign Office lawyers' view 
that
> aircraft could only patrol the no-fly zones to deter attacks by 
Saddam's
> forces.
> 
>     Goodhart said that if "the purpose was to soften up Iraq for a 
future
> invasion or even to intimidate Iraq, the coalition forces were acting
> without lawful authority," the Sunday Times reported.
> 
>     The eight documents reported earlier total 36 pages and range from
> 10-page and eight-page studies on military and legal options in Iraq, 
to
> brief memorandums from British officials and the minutes of a private
> meeting held by Blair and his top advisers.
> 
>     Toby Dodge, an Iraq expert who teaches at Queen Mary College, 
University
> of London, said the documents confirmed what post-invasion 
investigations
> have found.
> 
>     "The documents show what official inquiries in Britain already 
have,
> that the case of weapons of mass destruction was based on thin 
intelligence
> and was used to inflate the evidence to the level of mendacity," 
Dodge said.
> "In going to war with Bush, Blair defended the special relationship 
between
> the two countries, like other British leaders have. But he knew he was
> taking a huge political risk at home. He knew the war's legality was
> questionable and its unpopularity was never in doubt."
> 
>     Dodge said the memos also show Blair was aware of the postwar
> instability that was likely among Iraq's complex mix of Sunnis, 
Shiites and
> Kurds once Saddam was defeated.
> 
>     The British documents confirm, as well, that "soon after 9/11 
happened,
> the starting gun was fired for the invasion of Iraq," Dodge said.
> 
>     Speculation about if and when that would happen ran throughout 
2002.
> 
>     On Jan. 29, Bush called Iraq, Iran and North Korea "an axis of 
evil."
> U.S. newspapers began reporting soon afterward that a U.S.-led war 
with Iraq
> was possible.
> 
>     On Oct. 16, the U.S. Congress voted to authorize Bush to go to war
> against Iraq. On Feb. 5, 2003, then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell
> presented the Bush administration's case about Iraq's weapons to the 
U.N.
> Security Council. On March 19-20, the U.S.-led invasion began.
> 
>     Bush and Blair both have been criticized at home since their WMD 
claims
> about Iraq proved false. But both have been re-elected, defending the
> conflict for removing a brutal dictator and promoting democracy in 
Iraq.
> Both administrations have dismissed the memos as old news.
> 
>     Details of the memos appeared in papers early last month but the 
news in
> Britain quickly turned to the election that returned Blair to power. 
In the
> United States, however, details of the memos' contents reignited a
> firestorm, especially among Democratic critics of Bush.
> 
>     It was in a March 14, 2002, memo that Blair's chief foreign policy
> adviser, David Manning, told the prime minister about the dinner he 
had just
> had with Rice in Washington.
> 
>     "We spent a long time at dinner on Iraq," wrote Manning, who's now
> British ambassador to the United States. Rice is now Bush's secretary 
of
> state.
> 
>     "It is clear that Bush is grateful for your (Blair's) support and 
has
> registered that you are getting flak. I said that you would not budge 
in
> your support for regime change but you had to manage a press, a 
Parliament
> and a public opinion that was very different than anything in the 
States.
> And you would not budge either in your insistence that, if we pursued 
regime
> change, it must be very carefully done and produce the right result. 
Failure
> was not an option."
> 
>     Manning said, "Condi's enthusiasm for regime change is undimmed." 
But he
> also said there were signs of greater awareness of the practical
> difficulties and political risks.
> 
>     Blair was to meet with Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, on 
April 8,
> and Manning told his boss: "No doubt we need to keep a sense of 
perspective.
> But my talks with Condi convinced me that Bush wants to hear your 
views on
> Iraq before taking decisions. He also wants your support. He is still
> smarting from the comments by other European leaders on his Iraq 
policy."
> 
>     A July 21 briefing paper given to officials preparing for a July 
23
> meeting with Blair says officials must "ensure that the benefits of 
action
> outweigh the risks."
> 
>     "In particular we need to be sure that the outcome of the military
> action would match our objective... A postwar occupation of Iraq 
could lead
> to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise. As already made 
clear,
> the U.S. military plans are virtually silent on this point."
> 
>     The British worried that, "Washington could look to us to share a
> disproportionate share of the burden. Further work is required to 
define
> more precisely the means by which the desired end state would be 
created, in
> particular what form of government might replace Saddam Hussein's 
regime and
> the time scale within which it would be possible to identify a 
successor."
> 
>     In the March 22 memo from Foreign Office political director 
Ricketts to
> Foreign Secretary Straw, Ricketts outlined how to win public and
> parliamentary support for a war in Britain: "We have to be convincing 
that:
> the threat is so serious/imminent that it is worth sending our troops 
to die
> for; it is qualitatively different from the threat posed by other
> proliferators who are closer to achieving nuclear capability 
(including
> Iran)."
> 
>     Blair's government has been criticized for releasing an 
intelligence
> dossier on Iraq before the war that warned Saddam could launch 
chemical or
> biological weapons on 45 minutes' notice.
> 
>     On March 25 Straw wrote a memo to Blair, saying he would have a 
tough
> time convincing the governing Labour Party that a pre-emptive strike 
against
> Iraq was legal under international law.
> 
>     "If 11 September had not happened, it is doubtful that the U.S. 
would
> now be considering military action against Iraq," Straw wrote. "In 
addition,
> there has been no credible evidence to link Iraq with OBL (Osama bin 
Laden)
> and al-Qaida."
> 
>     He also questioned stability in a post-Saddam Iraq: "We have also 
to
> answer the big question - what will this action achieve? There seems 
to be a
> larger hole in this than on anything."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:46:53 -0400
> From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War By
> 	ThomasWagner The Associated Press
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Message-ID: <000a01c57531$8d6b6480$8a03ca44@CowBox>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
> 
> Michael
> 
> Are we really thinking about people "fretting" over the war, what a 
fuckin'
> joke that is.
> 
> Love forever
> Robin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "Civic" <mb-civic@islandlists.com>; "HAIR List"
> <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:37 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War By 
ThomasWagner
> The Associated Press
> 
> 
> >    Go to Original
> >
> >    Memos Show British Fretting over Iraq War
> >    By Thomas Wagner
> >    The Associated Press
> >
> >    Saturday 18 June 2005
> >
> >    When Prime Minister Tony Blair's chief foreign policy adviser 
dined
> > with
> > Condoleezza Rice six months after Sept. 11, the then-U.S. national
> > security
> > adviser didn't want to discuss Osama bin Laden or al-Qadir. She 
wanted to
> > talk about "regime change" in Iraq, setting the stage for the U.S.-
led
> > invasion more than a year later.
> >
> >    President Bush wanted Blair's support, but British officials 
worried
> > the
> > White House was rushing to war, according to a series of leaked 
secret
> > Downing Street memos that have renewed questions and debate about
> > Washington's motives for ousting Saddam Hussein.
> >
> >    In one of the memos, British Foreign Office political director 
Peter
> > Ricketts openly asks whether the Bush administration had a clear and
> > compelling military reason for war.
> >
> >    "U.S. scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al-Qaida 
is so
> > far
> > frankly unconvincing," Ricketts says in the memo. "For Iraq, `regime
> > change'
> > does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam."
> >
> >    The documents confirm Blair was genuinely concerned about 
Saddam's
> > alleged weapons of mass destruction, but also indicate he was 
determined
> > to
> > go to war as America's top ally, even though his government thought 
a
> > pre-emptive attack may be illegal under international law.
> >
> >    "The truth is that what has changed is not the pace of Saddam 
Hussein's
> > WMD programs, but our tolerance of them post-11 September," said a 
typed
> > copy of a March 22, 2002 memo obtained Thursday by The Associated 
Press
> > and
> > written to Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.
> >
> >    "But even the best survey of Iraq's WMD programs will not show 
much
> > advance in recent years on the nuclear, missile or CW/BW (chemical 
or
> > biological weapons) fronts: the programs are extremely worrying but 
have
> > not, as far as we know, been stepped up."
> >
> >    Details from Rice's dinner conversation also are included in one 
of the
> > secret memos from 2002, which reveal British concerns about both the
> > invasion and poor postwar planning by the Bush administration, which
> > critics
> > say has allowed the Iraqi insurgency to rage.
> >
> >    The eight memos - all labeled "secret" or "confidential" - were 
first
> > obtained by British reporter Michael Smith, who has written about 
them in
> > The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Times.
> >
> >    Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had 
obtained
> > the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paper and 
destroying
> > the originals.
> >
> >    The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have
> > circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the 
copies said
> > their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity
> > because
> > of the secret nature of the material.
> >
> >    The Sunday Times this week reported that lawyers told the British
> > government that U.S. and British bombing of Iraq in the months 
before the
> > war was illegal under international law. That report, also by 
Smith, noted
> > that almost a year before the war started, they began to strike more
> > frequently.
> >
> >    The newspaper quoted Lord Goodhart, vice president of the 
International
> > Commission of Jurists, as backing the Foreign Office lawyers' view 
that
> > aircraft could only patrol the no-fly zones to deter attacks by 
Saddam's
> > forces.
> >
> >    Goodhart said that if "the purpose was to soften up Iraq for a 
future
> > invasion or even to intimidate Iraq, the coalition forces were 
acting
> > without lawful authority," the Sunday Times reported.
> >
> >    The eight documents reported earlier total 36 pages and range 
from
> > 10-page and eight-page studies on military and legal options in 
Iraq, to
> > brief memorandums from British officials and the minutes of a 
private
> > meeting held by Blair and his top advisers.
> >
> >    Toby Dodge, an Iraq expert who teaches at Queen Mary College,
> > University
> > of London, said the documents confirmed what post-invasion 
investigations
> > have found.
> >
> >    "The documents show what official inquiries in Britain already 
have,
> > that the case of weapons of mass destruction was based on thin
> > intelligence
> > and was used to inflate the evidence to the level of mendacity," 
Dodge
> > said.
> > "In going to war with Bush, Blair defended the special relationship
> > between
> > the two countries, like other British leaders have. But he knew he 
was
> > taking a huge political risk at home. He knew the war's legality was
> > questionable and its unpopularity was never in doubt."
> >
> >    Dodge said the memos also show Blair was aware of the postwar
> > instability that was likely among Iraq's complex mix of Sunnis, 
Shiites
> > and
> > Kurds once Saddam was defeated.
> >
> >    The British documents confirm, as well, that "soon after 9/11 
happened,
> > the starting gun was fired for the invasion of Iraq," Dodge said.
> >
> >    Speculation about if and when that would happen ran throughout 
2002.
> >
> >    On Jan. 29, Bush called Iraq, Iran and North Korea "an axis of 
evil."
> > U.S. newspapers began reporting soon afterward that a U.S.-led war 
with
> > Iraq
> > was possible.
> >
> >    On Oct. 16, the U.S. Congress voted to authorize Bush to go to 
war
> > against Iraq. On Feb. 5, 2003, then-Secretary of State Colin L. 
Powell
> > presented the Bush administration's case about Iraq's weapons to 
the U.N.
> > Security Council. On March 19-20, the U.S.-led invasion began.
> >
> >    Bush and Blair both have been criticized at home since their WMD 
claims
> > about Iraq proved false. But both have been re-elected, defending 
the
> > conflict for removing a brutal dictator and promoting democracy in 
Iraq.
> > Both administrations have dismissed the memos as old news.
> >
> >    Details of the memos appeared in papers early last month but the 
news
> > in
> > Britain quickly turned to the election that returned Blair to 
power. In
> > the
> > United States, however, details of the memos' contents reignited a
> > firestorm, especially among Democratic critics of Bush.
> >
> >    It was in a March 14, 2002, memo that Blair's chief foreign 
policy
> > adviser, David Manning, told the prime minister about the dinner he 
had
> > just
> > had with Rice in Washington.
> >
> >    "We spent a long time at dinner on Iraq," wrote Manning, who's 
now
> > British ambassador to the United States. Rice is now Bush's 
secretary of
> > state.
> >
> >    "It is clear that Bush is grateful for your (Blair's) support 
and has
> > registered that you are getting flak. I said that you would not 
budge in
> > your support for regime change but you had to manage a press, a 
Parliament
> > and a public opinion that was very different than anything in the 
States.
> > And you would not budge either in your insistence that, if we 
pursued
> > regime
> > change, it must be very carefully done and produce the right result.
> > Failure
> > was not an option."
> >
> >    Manning said, "Condi's enthusiasm for regime change is 
undimmed." But
> > he
> > also said there were signs of greater awareness of the practical
> > difficulties and political risks.
> >
> >    Blair was to meet with Bush at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, on 
April
> > 8,
> > and Manning told his boss: "No doubt we need to keep a sense of
> > perspective.
> > But my talks with Condi convinced me that Bush wants to hear your 
views on
> > Iraq before taking decisions. He also wants your support. He is 
still
> > smarting from the comments by other European leaders on his Iraq 
policy."
> >
> >    A July 21 briefing paper given to officials preparing for a July 
23
> > meeting with Blair says officials must "ensure that the benefits of 
action
> > outweigh the risks."
> >
> >    "In particular we need to be sure that the outcome of the 
military
> > action would match our objective... A postwar occupation of Iraq 
could
> > lead
> > to a protracted and costly nation-building exercise. As already made
> > clear,
> > the U.S. military plans are virtually silent on this point."
> >
> >    The British worried that, "Washington could look to us to share a
> > disproportionate share of the burden. Further work is required to 
define
> > more precisely the means by which the desired end state would be 
created,
> > in
> > particular what form of government might replace Saddam Hussein's 
regime
> > and
> > the time scale within which it would be possible to identify a 
successor."
> >
> >    In the March 22 memo from Foreign Office political director 
Ricketts to
> > Foreign Secretary Straw, Ricketts outlined how to win public and
> > parliamentary support for a war in Britain: "We have to be 
convincing
> > that:
> > the threat is so serious/imminent that it is worth sending our 
troops to
> > die
> > for; it is qualitatively different from the threat posed by other
> > proliferators who are closer to achieving nuclear capability 
(including
> > Iran)."
> >
> >    Blair's government has been criticized for releasing an 
intelligence
> > dossier on Iraq before the war that warned Saddam could launch 
chemical or
> > biological weapons on 45 minutes' notice.
> >
> >    On March 25 Straw wrote a memo to Blair, saying he would have a 
tough
> > time convincing the governing Labour Party that a pre-emptive strike
> > against
> > Iraq was legal under international law.
> >
> >    "If 11 September had not happened, it is doubtful that the U.S. 
would
> > now be considering military action against Iraq," Straw wrote. "In
> > addition,
> > there has been no credible evidence to link Iraq with OBL (Osama bin
> > Laden)
> > and al-Qaida."
> >
> >    He also questioned stability in a post-Saddam Iraq: "We have 
also to
> > answer the big question - what will this action achieve? There 
seems to be
> > a
> > larger hole in this than on anything."
> >
> >
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> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Jun 20 12:11:02 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Jun 20 00:19:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] What Is Really Obscene
Message-ID: <BEDC62D6.20F26%michael@michaelbutler.com>

 What Is Really Obscene

Michael Butler's Blog

http://www.michaelbutler.com/mbblog.html


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Jun 21 09:52:42 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Jun 20 20:15:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Red & Blue states to divide!
In-Reply-To: <20050621030425.15559.qmail@web50404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEDD93EA.20F79%michael@michaelbutler.com>


------ Forwarded Message
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Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:04:25 -0700 (PDT)
To: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Subject: Fwd: Red & Blue states to divide!


Note: forwarded message attached.

Michael good blogs - I thought you had to see the
attachement...it's what you could call a totally
entertaining idea...j


       

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From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 21 10:33:31 2005
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Mon Jun 20 20:41:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Red & Blue states to divide!
In-Reply-To: <BEDD93EA.20F79%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20050621173331.61020.qmail@web53408.mail.yahoo.com>

Woo Hoo! So glad to be a New Californian!
 
Thanks for sharing Jim and Michael!
 
Peace and blessings ~ Jonathon

Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com> wrote:

------ Forwarded Message
From: Jim Rado 
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:04:25 -0700 (PDT)
To: Michael Butler 
Subject: Fwd: Red & Blue states to divide!


Note: forwarded message attached.

Michael good blogs - I thought you had to see the
attachement...it's what you could call a totally
entertaining idea...j




------ End of Forwarded Message

Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 00:21:57 -0400
From: Ira Landgarten <iraland@earthlink.net>
To: iraland@earthlink.net
Subject: Red & Blue states to divide!

Dear Red States

We're ticked off at the way you've treated California, and we've 
decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're 
taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, 
Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We 
believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to 
the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly:
You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.
We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs.
You get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red 
states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the 
Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a 
bunch of single moms.

Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and 
antiwar, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at 
once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals.

They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths 
for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their 
children's caskets coming home We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope 
that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in 
Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 
percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the 
pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 
percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state 
dinners) 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, 
most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and 
condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Princeton, Harvard, 
Yale, Stanford, CalTech and MIT.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 
88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care 
costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the 
tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern 
Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, 
Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah 
was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred 
unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say 
that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 
9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with 
higher morals than we lefties.

By the way, we're taking the good pot, too.
You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.

Sincerely,
the happy citizens of
New California.


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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 21 11:17:19 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Mon Jun 20 21:25:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Red & Blue states to divide!
In-Reply-To: <BEDD93EA.20F79%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F313732BE0AC448A12CDD20ADE80@phx.gbl>

Sweet!
May I apply for citizenship?  Or, can I at least be an ambassador from North 
Carolina???

I'll bring the barbeque and Southern Comfort!

Cheers,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Tue Jun 21 12:46:56 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Mon Jun 20 22:54:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of George
	(Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)
Message-ID: <042401c57699$fb888830$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Hey, I found another bibliographical reference for seeing published Bernie Boston's famous photograph of George Harris/Hibiscus placing the peace flower into the barrel of the MP's war rifle:

"America's Longest War: The United States and Vietnam, 1950-1975," Fourth Edition [I do not find the photo in the Third Edition], by George C. Herring (New York, NY: McGraw-Hill Higher Education, 2002), p. 210 (Chapter 5, "On the Tiger's Back"; "The War at Home" section).

Caption reads as follows: 

March on the Pentagon
This picture of an antiwar protestor placing a flower in the barrel of the rifle of a soldier guarding the Pentagon was taken during the March on the Pentagon in October, 1967, the largest antiwar demonstration to that time.  Bernie Boston Photography

FYI,

The Sib
--
Sibley J. Smith, Jr., Director of Education
Vietnam Era Educational Center at the 
New Jersey Vietnam Veterans' Memorial
1 Memorial Lane, P.O. Box 648
Holmdel, New Jersey 07733
1-800-648-VETS
www.njvvmf.org 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:29 PM

Here is the picture of Hibiscus aka George Harris...

http://www.rit.edu/~661www/100/100th-part-1/pages/Boston.htm

peace,
barbara

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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 21 14:18:30 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Tue Jun 21 00:26:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Red & Blue states to divide!
In-Reply-To: <BEDD93EA.20F79%michael@michaelbutler.com>
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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 21 18:28:25 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Tue Jun 21 04:36:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of
	George(Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)
In-Reply-To: <042401c57699$fb888830$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F24718F63CBE495B1CD6D5FADEB0@phx.gbl>

Wasn't Hibiscus the kid from the Haight who was in David Weissman's film THE 
COCKETTE'S?

K


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 21 18:41:48 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Tue Jun 21 04:49:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F24718F63CBE495B1CD6D5FADEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F19772F76A39B1187E7F68EADEB0@phx.gbl>

Maybe I'm too idealistic, but I've been told so many times, "don't even 
bother" when trying to include the black community in my (or any) project.

I don't want to seem like the good intentioned white girl who is trying to 
"fix" black people.
I'm so frustrated.

AM I trying to include the black community as a "them"?  no one black came 
to audition, and the gospel choir people I've approached won't do it because 
of the language and content...sigh.

The black community doesn't want anything to do with being part of the 
tribe.
We have absolutely no black middle class; and there's a huge rift in the 
black community as well.

How do I extend my hand in friendship without it being seen as patronizing 
or condescending, or exploitative?

I mean, I can't force anyone to be in my cast.

troubled,
K


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Jun 21 19:02:19 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Jun 21 05:10:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power of George
	Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F24718F63CBE495B1CD6D5FADEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BEDE14BB.2100A%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Yes, George was Walter Michael Harris's brother.
M

> Wasn't Hibiscus the kid from the Haight who was in David Weissman's film THE
> COCKETTE'S?
> 
> K
> 
> 
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Tue Jun 21 23:18:10 2005
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 21 09:26:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hello:)
Message-ID: <76.55bab11c.2fea5ca2@aol.com>

hey everyone.... no action on the list for awhile so I thought I'd say hi. I 
thought of HAIR recently because a friend and I were singing HAIR songs at a 
picnic (she's more of a friend of a friend and I didn't know she had been in 
HAIR at one point --- something (I don't remember what) prompted it and she 
started singing Hare Krishna and I was singing along and then she mentioned she 
had played Sheila and we started singing segments of the entire score:) It was 
fun)

As a quick update: I have been busy --- even though school's out now 
(work-wise) I still have two grad school classes (one that is keeping me SO busy) and 
I'm tutoring a few hours a week. I'm also trying to work out more - swimming 
and yoga - to lose weight and just be healthier in general. Also I have wedding 
stuff to do.... it's less than a year away now (just barely; we're getting 
married June 17, 2006) but still lots of things to do. I'd rather get things 
done now that I have more time. Also, I'm going to Italy with my best friend for 
10 days next week (ahhhhhh!:) So excited) so there's a lot of planning and 
packing for that. Plus trying to have a social life and fit in time for little 
things like reading, etc....... It's a full schedule!:)

anyway, I hope everyone's doing well! 

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 22 05:03:52 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Wed Jun 22 05:03:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power
	ofGeorge(Hibiscus) Harris, 1
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F24718F63CBE495B1CD6D5FADEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F3434E771DEF686C14A5F35B2EB0@phx.gbl>

Yes, and also the brother of original Broadway Hair cast member, and list 
member, Walter Michael Harris.
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Kent State (tangent: the flower power 
>ofGeorge(Hibiscus) Harris, 10-22-67)
>Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:28:25 +0000
>
>Wasn't Hibiscus the kid from the Haight who was in David Weissman's film 
>THE COCKETTE'S?
>
>K


From michael at intrafi.com  Wed Jun 22 09:22:31 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Wed Jun 22 09:22:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: Democrats Call for Firing of Broadcast
	Chairman
Message-ID: <20050622162231.090649FBBA@lax-gw05.mroute.net>

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Jun 22 10:46:42 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Jun 22 10:46:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F19772F76A39B1187E7F68EADEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BEDEF212.21072%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Have you checked out the other local theatre groups or nearby cities?
Michael

> Maybe I'm too idealistic, but I've been told so many times, "don't even
> bother" when trying to include the black community in my (or any) project.
> 
> I don't want to seem like the good intentioned white girl who is trying to
> "fix" black people.
> I'm so frustrated.
> 
> AM I trying to include the black community as a "them"?  no one black came
> to audition, and the gospel choir people I've approached won't do it because
> of the language and content...sigh.
> 
> The black community doesn't want anything to do with being part of the
> tribe.
> We have absolutely no black middle class; and there's a huge rift in the
> black community as well.
> 
> How do I extend my hand in friendship without it being seen as patronizing
> or condescending, or exploitative?
> 
> I mean, I can't force anyone to be in my cast.
> 
> troubled,
> K
> 
> 
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Wed Jun 22 11:31:10 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Wed Jun 22 11:31:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hello:)
References: <76.55bab11c.2fea5ca2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c57758$9096da80$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Hi Amy

Sounds like you have a full plate to deal with, enjoy your trip to Italy.  :0

Love forever
Robin 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: LilacAmy11@aol.com 
  To: mb-hair@islandemail.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 2:18 AM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] Hello:)


  hey everyone.... no action on the list for awhile so I thought I'd say hi. I thought of HAIR recently because a friend and I were singing HAIR songs at a picnic (she's more of a friend of a friend and I didn't know she had been in HAIR at one point --- something (I don't remember what) prompted it and she started singing Hare Krishna and I was singing along and then she mentioned she had played Sheila and we started singing segments of the entire score:) It was fun)

  As a quick update: I have been busy --- even though school's out now (work-wise) I still have two grad school classes (one that is keeping me SO busy) and I'm tutoring a few hours a week. I'm also trying to work out more - swimming and yoga - to lose weight and just be healthier in general. Also I have wedding stuff to do.... it's less than a year away now (just barely; we're getting married June 17, 2006) but still lots of things to do. I'd rather get things done now that I have more time. Also, I'm going to Italy with my best friend for 10 days next week (ahhhhhh!:) So excited) so there's a lot of planning and packing for that. Plus trying to have a social life and fit in time for little things like reading, etc....... It's a full schedule!:)

  anyway, I hope everyone's doing well! 

  - Amy

  "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. cummings

  "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the musical) 


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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 22 12:53:27 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Wed Jun 22 12:53:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
In-Reply-To: <BEDEF212.21072%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F392DDA5D9372B5D76D12AADEB0@phx.gbl>

I've looked at other theatre groups only with a cursory glance; we don't 
have a big enough budget to house actors from other cities right now.

I am trying to get creative.
Will do.

Peace~ thanks!
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Jun 22 13:02:07 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Jun 22 13:02:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F392DDA5D9372B5D76D12AADEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BEDF11CF.21094%michael@michaelbutler.com>

I may create a stir but if in the same problem I would consider "black
face". I say consider don't know if I would do it. I would want to consult
certainly this List for any thoughts.
Michael

> I've looked at other theatre groups only with a cursory glance; we don't
> have a big enough budget to house actors from other cities right now.
> 
> I am trying to get creative.
> Will do.
> 
> Peace~ thanks!
> Katie
> 
> 
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Wed Jun 22 13:14:09 2005
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 22 13:14:16 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] ??
Message-ID: <214.356854c.2feb2091@aol.com>

I'm not sure if my messages are getting through ---- I haven';t gotten 
anything from the list in quite a while and I sent something yesterday and I haven't 
seen it yet..... 

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Wed Jun 22 13:59:55 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Wed Jun 22 14:00:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hello:)
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV246051A81091CD6683DA7AABEB0@phx.gbl>

Hello Amy...

Nice to hear from you, sounds like you are a busy bee :-)

That wedding W-I-L-L  sneak up on you so watch out, and have fun in Italy

peace and love,
barbara 

-----Original Message-----
From: LilacAmy11@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:18:10 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandemail.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hello:)

hey everyone.... no action on the list for awhile so I thought I'd say hi I 
thought of HAIR recently because a friend and I were singing HAIR songs at a 
picnic (she's more of a friend of a friend and I didn't know she had been in 
HAIR at one point --- something (I don't remember what) prompted it and she 
started singing Hare Krishna and I was singing along and then she mentioned she 
had played Sheila and we started singing segments of the entire score:) It was 
fun)

As a quick update: I have been busy --- even though school's out now 
(work-wise) I still have two grad school classes (one that is keeping me SO busy) and 
I'm tutoring a few hours a week. I'm also trying to work out more - swimming 
and yoga - to lose weight and just be healthier in general. Also I have wedding 
stuff to do.... it's less than a year away now (just barely; we're getting 
married June 17, 2006) but still lots of things to do. I'd rather get things 
done now that I have more time. Also, I'm going to Italy with my best friend for 
10 days next week (ahhhhhh!:) So excited) so there's a lot of planning and 
packing for that. Plus trying to have a social life and fit in time for little 
things like reading, etc....... It's a full schedule!:)

anyway, I hope everyone's doing well! 

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)


From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Wed Jun 22 14:05:23 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Wed Jun 22 14:05:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] ??
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1E6BAC8397D9EE46CCDC0ABEB0@phx.gbl>

Amy your messages are getting through fine here on the list... It is now Wed 5:00pm EST.... your message according to the list was posted today 13:14:09-0700 whatever that means.

barbara


-----Original Message-----
From: LilacAmy11@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:14:09 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandemail.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] ??

I'm not sure if my messages are getting through ---- I haven';t gotten 
anything from the list in quite a while and I sent something yesterday and I haven't 
seen it yet..... 

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)


From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Wed Jun 22 14:08:06 2005
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 22 14:08:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] ??
Message-ID: <b9.5a763d6a.2feb2d36@aol.com>

Weird.... I got your messages but I never got mine back (usually I get ALL 
the mail from the list even what I send....)

oh well

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Wed Jun 22 14:13:35 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Wed Jun 22 14:13:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] ??
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV20F25693B0A2D9EDC362BAABEB0@phx.gbl>

Maybe it has to do with how you have yourself listed on the islandlist mail page. There is a button  to get e-mails sent to yourself or NOT.... Just a thought.

Did you get Robins e-mail to you? It was posted on the list.

peace

-----Original Message-----
From: LilacAmy11@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 14:08:06 -0700
To: barbarasiomos38@msn.com, mb-hair@islandemail.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] ??

Weird.... I got your messages but I never got mine back (usually I get ALL 
the mail from the list even what I send....)

oh well

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 22 15:36:17 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Wed Jun 22 15:36:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] ??
In-Reply-To: <b9.5a763d6a.2feb2d36@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F8C171DD8272BDBAFBD7AAB2EB0@phx.gbl>

Hi Amy,

I am sending this directly to you as well as to the list - you should 
receive it twice, once from me and once from the list in your digest.

There is nothing that I can find wrong with your account settings on our 
end. AOL can be funny about mailing lists, they sometimes change the status 
of what they allow to come through and what they put in junk mail or similar 
folders. Twice they have even unsubscribed every aol list member for no 
apparent reason, but let me resubscribe them immediately. Check the online 
archives of the posts at:

http://www.islandlists.com/pipermail/mb-hair/

and see if you received everything in your digests. You do have your 
preferences set for Digest mode, which does result in only one or two posts 
a day, although they should be longer and contain all of that days posts.

Hope this help!
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Wed Jun 22 17:37:18 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Wed Jun 22 17:36:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My HAIRy news
References: <200506221900.j5MJ0AQa024443@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <004401c5778b$b62eff60$6401a8c0@Leo>

Last year we held a "gathering of the tribes" (for the HAIR productions I 
directed in 97,99,03) at the site where we performed HAIR outdoors in 2003. 
We have turned this into an annual event so our second gathering is gonna be 
July 8-10 and once again it'll be at the same site. We toss up a Tent City 
on ample land and have 3 great days of peace, love, and camaraderie. We'll 
begin the festivities Friday evening with a blessing of the field, drum 
circle, and passing of the conch. Then we'll sit around a campfire late into 
the night just sharing & caring. Saturday we'll have some rock & roll music, 
singing, dancing, Frisbee throwing, barbecuing, swimming (suits optional), 
chanting and another evening of late night loving each other. Sunday morning 
we plan to go out for breakfast and then break camp with love in our hearts 
and gratitude for a weekend away from all the turmoil of our everyday lives. 
And all this shared with a bunch of great HAIR freaks. Just wanted to share 
the news.

PEACE,
Leo 


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Jun 22 19:13:49 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Jun 22 19:13:56 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My HAIRy news
In-Reply-To: <004401c5778b$b62eff60$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <BEDF68ED.210D0%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Leo,

Wonderful. Thanks for sharing.

Peace and Love,
Michael

> Last year we held a "gathering of the tribes" (for the HAIR productions I
> directed in 97,99,03) at the site where we performed HAIR outdoors in 2003.
> We have turned this into an annual event so our second gathering is gonna be
> July 8-10 and once again it'll be at the same site. We toss up a Tent City
> on ample land and have 3 great days of peace, love, and camaraderie. We'll
> begin the festivities Friday evening with a blessing of the field, drum
> circle, and passing of the conch. Then we'll sit around a campfire late into
> the night just sharing & caring. Saturday we'll have some rock & roll music,
> singing, dancing, Frisbee throwing, barbecuing, swimming (suits optional),
> chanting and another evening of late night loving each other. Sunday morning
> we plan to go out for breakfast and then break camp with love in our hearts
> and gratitude for a weekend away from all the turmoil of our everyday lives.
> And all this shared with a bunch of great HAIR freaks. Just wanted to share
> the news.
> 
> PEACE,
> Leo 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 22 19:59:44 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Wed Jun 22 19:59:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
In-Reply-To: <BEDF11CF.21094%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F14B7C1BA5CD0E4C2D179DFADEA0@phx.gbl>

Someone suggested that jokingly here, and then last night I thought about a 
compromise.
It might be another comment on the situation if we had "masks", like 
pictures of real black faces attached to sticks that are held up in front of 
white faces.  Maybe it would knock some out of complacency.  but i don't 
want to alienate and create an even bigger rift...

I'm going again tomorrow to the black community centres and housing projects 
to put up signs with "people of colour especially encouraged to reply".

praying that something amazing will happen.

Agape,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 07:30:32 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Thu Jun 23 07:30:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My HAIRy news
In-Reply-To: <004401c5778b$b62eff60$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F17887A2C81A216B2B9BD24B2EA0@phx.gbl>

Sounds great Leo! We will all be with you in spirit.
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 08:07:57 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Thu Jun 23 08:08:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
Message-ID: <BAY104-F426EA195C0D9D7694CAF3AB2EA0@phx.gbl>

Katie wrote:
>I'm going again tomorrow to the black community centres and housing 
>projects to put up signs with "people of colour especially encouraged to 
>reply".

Use this opportunity to talk with people, to explain your dilemma and ask 
advice on how to solve it. There must be a way to get black people in your 
community involved, to find black performers who want to help break down the 
barriers that exist in your community.

Personally, I think it would be hard to do Hair with no people of color in 
the cast. While masks have long been an interesting and symbolic theatrical 
device, I have trouble imagining any circumstance under which it would be OK 
to have a caucasian person singing Colored Spade. When sung by and African 
American that song is a vicious indictment of racism, but I fear that the 
interpretations possible if sung by a caucasian performer would be 
different. I know that some productions, desperate at not being able to cast 
Hud and Dionne with black performers, have resorted to casting them with 
white actors, saying that the character was a white person sensitive to the 
black cause.  However, I have had several black people tell me that they 
would find this offensive, and I am also unsure of how this sensitivity 
would be made clear to an audience. Some productions cut the number (along 
with White Boys) if they can't cast people of color. But this always saddens 
me as the theme of inter racial relations is a strong one in Hair, and I 
hate to lose it. Some productions cast these roles with people of other 
ethnicities. I have seen this be moderately successful with the song White 
Boys, but less so with the role of Hud, which is written to be played by a 
black man.

It is sad how often this situation comes up in contemporary productions 
outside of major urban areas. It would be wonderful to brainstorm this 
issue, as it comes up so regularly, and create a base of thought to share 
with people when this comes up for them.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
>Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:59:44 +0000
>
>Someone suggested that jokingly here, and then last night I thought about a 
>compromise.
>It might be another comment on the situation if we had "masks", like 
>pictures of real black faces attached to sticks that are held up in front 
>of white faces.  Maybe it would knock some out of complacency.  but i don't 
>want to alienate and create an even bigger rift...
>
>I'm going again tomorrow to the black community centres and housing 
>projects to put up signs with "people of colour especially encouraged to 
>reply".
>
>praying that something amazing will happen.
>
>Agape,
>Katie
>
>
>ALOHA NUI LOA!
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Mb-hair mailing list
>Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Jun 23 09:20:26 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Jun 23 09:20:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F426EA195C0D9D7694CAF3AB2EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BEE02F5A.21125%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Super advice.
It would be great if some idea, perhaps some African Americans who would be
available to go for a short gig.
Michael

> Katie wrote:
>> I'm going again tomorrow to the black community centres and housing
>> projects to put up signs with "people of colour especially encouraged to
>> reply".
> 
> Use this opportunity to talk with people, to explain your dilemma and ask
> advice on how to solve it. There must be a way to get black people in your
> community involved, to find black performers who want to help break down the
> barriers that exist in your community.
> 
> Personally, I think it would be hard to do Hair with no people of color in
> the cast. While masks have long been an interesting and symbolic theatrical
> device, I have trouble imagining any circumstance under which it would be OK
> to have a caucasian person singing Colored Spade. When sung by and African
> American that song is a vicious indictment of racism, but I fear that the
> interpretations possible if sung by a caucasian performer would be
> different. I know that some productions, desperate at not being able to cast
> Hud and Dionne with black performers, have resorted to casting them with
> white actors, saying that the character was a white person sensitive to the
> black cause.  However, I have had several black people tell me that they
> would find this offensive, and I am also unsure of how this sensitivity
> would be made clear to an audience. Some productions cut the number (along
> with White Boys) if they can't cast people of color. But this always saddens
> me as the theme of inter racial relations is a strong one in Hair, and I
> hate to lose it. Some productions cast these roles with people of other
> ethnicities. I have seen this be moderately successful with the song White
> Boys, but less so with the role of Hud, which is written to be played by a
> black man.
> 
> It is sad how often this situation comes up in contemporary productions
> outside of major urban areas. It would be wonderful to brainstorm this
> issue, as it comes up so regularly, and create a base of thought to share
> with people when this comes up for them.
> 
> Nina
> 
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> 
> 
> 
>> From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
>> Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 02:59:44 +0000
>> 
>> Someone suggested that jokingly here, and then last night I thought about a
>> compromise.
>> It might be another comment on the situation if we had "masks", like
>> pictures of real black faces attached to sticks that are held up in front
>> of white faces.  Maybe it would knock some out of complacency.  but i don't
>> want to alienate and create an even bigger rift...
>> 
>> I'm going again tomorrow to the black community centres and housing
>> projects to put up signs with "people of colour especially encouraged to
>> reply".
>> 
>> praying that something amazing will happen.
>> 
>> Agape,
>> Katie
>> 
>> 
>> ALOHA NUI LOA!
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 09:55:07 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Thu Jun 23 09:55:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
In-Reply-To: <BEE02F5A.21125%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F894381E8B864F2293E8F0ADEA0@phx.gbl>

THank you Nina, and Richard, and Leo, and Michael.

I have a plan, and I will let you know how it goes!
I really appreciate your support, because it is slightly daunting.
but then, i guess all things that are worth anything are hard.

Much peace and love and hope,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 10:30:17 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Thu Jun 23 10:30:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
Message-ID: <BAY104-F402641611DF68671869CD5B2EA0@phx.gbl>

Katie wrote:
>THank you Nina, and Richard, and Leo, and Michael.

Richard and Leo - if you sent advice to Katie privately off list I encourage 
you to share it with us here, so that we can hear your thoughts on this, and 
work on putting all our thoughts on this into a document.

Since the Jabberwocky Hair List archives disappeared (and yesterday when I 
checked even the cached versions had been removed from Google, although I 
can't imagine how David Shaw accomplished that, nor why he would want to) I 
have a great desire to recreate that database of thought on Hair.

Someone recently posted that they were upset at off topic posts to the list, 
but I find it difficult to get upset with off topic posts when it proves so 
difficult to get on topic discussions going. Sherwin recently posted a 
question about the symbolism of the Hair logo, an interesting question I 
thought, but we got only a handful of responses. Thanks to those who did 
respond. This current topic of doing Hair with a limited racial mix is one I 
know people here have dealt with but it is not being responded to. Michael 
and I have often wondered how to get more Hair related discussions going on 
the list, how to make this a real resource for people doing current 
productions, but the answer evades us. Maybe we need another Randy Bowser or 
Scott Miller, who read through the script and posted long lists of specific 
questions to us, which we answered (Ross T? Katie?). Or maybe, as a friend 
suggested to me, Hair is "all talked out". But I hope not. One of the joys 
of Hair, to me, is the passing of the flame to others, to support them in 
finding their own version of Hair. The collective knowledge of the people 
here is astounding. Let's share it!

Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 11:31:13 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Thu Jun 23 11:31:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] off planet
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F402641611DF68671869CD5B2EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F15DE02F13D245B957D53DCADEA0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Nina,

I'm new to the group, and am shy about taking up too much space.
I appreciate any discussion of the musical, especially since I am in the 
middle of it.
Don't take the off post emails personally, i think it's just easier to 
foster a personal relationship one on one, and many are slightly off topic.  
I look forward to more discussions~ this list has helped and inspired me 
immensely. Thank you.

Peace,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Thu Jun 23 11:33:38 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Thu Jun 23 11:33:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV10F5B339211AA4226D8A48ABEA0@phx.gbl>

My two cents....

The idea of Katie going to Community centers or even Black Churches that have choirs (some of their voices tear it up), or even high schools or (IF any around) Colleges. When putting up notices be truthful and explain the situation so perhaps they (black folks) will have a better understanding of why it is so greatly needed to get the points across in the show, which in my impression it is. I for one (I am white) would be bothered by a mask or black face (sorry Michael)... :-)) 

In your notices explain briefly so as not to lose their interest. Katie where do you live? Is it North Carolina?

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Little Birdie
Sent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:30:17 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH

Katie wrote:
>THank you Nina, and Richard, and Leo, and Michael.

Richard and Leo - if you sent advice to Katie privately off list I encourage 
you to share it with us here, so that we can hear your thoughts on this, and 
work on putting all our thoughts on this into a document.

Since the Jabberwocky Hair List archives disappeared (and yesterday when I 
checked even the cached versions had been removed from Google, although I 
can't imagine how David Shaw accomplished that, nor why he would want to) I 
have a great desire to recreate that database of thought on Hair.

Someone recently posted that they were upset at off topic posts to the list, 
but I find it difficult to get upset with off topic posts when it proves so 
difficult to get on topic discussions going. Sherwin recently posted a 
question about the symbolism of the Hair logo, an interesting question I 
thought, but we got only a handful of responses. Thanks to those who did 
respond. This current topic of doing Hair with a limited racial mix is one I 
know people here have dealt with but it is not being responded to. Michael 
and I have often wondered how to get more Hair related discussions going on 
the list, how to make this a real resource for people doing current 
productions, but the answer evades us. Maybe we need another Randy Bowser or 
Scott Miller, who read through the script and posted long lists of specific 
questions to us, which we answered (Ross T? Katie?). Or maybe, as a friend 
suggested to me, Hair is "all talked out". But I hope not. One of the joys 
of Hair, to me, is the passing of the flame to others, to support them in 
finding their own version of Hair. The collective knowledge of the people 
here is astounding. Let's share it!

Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


_______________________________________________
Mb-hair mailing list
Mb-hair@islandlists.com
http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair


From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 11:39:53 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Thu Jun 23 11:40:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Community action
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV10F5B339211AA4226D8A48ABEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F349FA60BD764F65EA86A4CADEA0@phx.gbl>

Hey Barbara,

I am in North Carolina (Asheville).  We've been noted both as the "freak 
capital" AND the "best place to retire"...it's a weird place. :)

but yes, race, and the war are extremely sensitive issues here.  So I will 
go slowly and just stay to the truth.  Thank you for your help.

Peace,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 12:20:39 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Thu Jun 23 12:20:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] off planet
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F15DE02F13D245B957D53DCADEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F4117F153033556E5CED444B2EA0@phx.gbl>

Have no fear - I don't take the off list communication as any kind of 
personal rejection! :-) Of course you should make personal relationships off 
list.

I am just wishful that we could have more in depth Hair discussions on the 
list, as I would love to know what Richard or Leo or any one else here's 
thoughts are on your situation. And pllease don't fear taking up space - we 
are pleased to have you join us, and are happy to answer as many questions 
as you care to throw our way.
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] off planet
>Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:31:13 +0000
>
>Thanks Nina,
>
>I'm new to the group, and am shy about taking up too much space.
>I appreciate any discussion of the musical, especially since I am in the 
>middle of it.
>Don't take the off post emails personally, i think it's just easier to 
>foster a personal relationship one on one, and many are slightly off topic. 
>  I look forward to more discussions~ this list has helped and inspired me 
>immensely. Thank you.
>
>Peace,
>Katie
>
>
>ALOHA NUI LOA!
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Mb-hair mailing list
>Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair


From jameshburns at webtv.net  Thu Jun 23 12:26:14 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Thu Jun 23 12:26:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Pierian...
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Thu, 23 Jun 2005
	12:00:09 -0700
Message-ID: <9506-42BB0CD6-2043@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>


I thought this was a fun quote, I, um,  stumbled across the other day,
to forward... 
___ 


A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Drink deep, or taste not the
Pierian spring; There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain; And
drinking largely sobers us again. 
- Alexander Pope (1688-1744) 

From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 12:27:36 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Thu Jun 23 12:27:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Community action
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F349FA60BD764F65EA86A4CADEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F393730F9D37107295BA058B2EA0@phx.gbl>

Katie wrote:
>but yes, race, and the war are extremely sensitive issues here.  So I will 
>go slowly and just stay to the truth.

In some ways you are perhaps closer to the experience of the original 
companies, than some other current productions.

I often think about the similarities of these times with the original ones 
Hair came out of, and about how powerful an experience it would be to do 
Hair today. It's message are so timely, so relevant to the climate we live 
in today. I am sorry the road is difficult, but the journey will be worth it 
- to you and your Tribe, of course, but also to those who see your 
production and are changed by it.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From venuetheatre at juno.com  Thu Jun 23 12:48:53 2005
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (venuetheatre@juno.com)
Date: Thu Jun 23 12:50:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
Message-ID: <20050623.154853.3284.3.venuetheatre@juno.com>

Here is an idea, take your darkest actors and have them get a deep tan!
We used white guys with black hair in Clearwater (1985) and it became
light boys and dark boys.
OR be really innovative and make Hud a woman!  Delores Hall was a great
Hud!  Then you would add the Lesbian/gay issue into the mix.

Be creative but NO black face.  
There is a really dark tan makeup!  Looks Arabic.

Corinne

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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Thu Jun 23 12:39:23 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Thu Jun 23 12:58:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hello:)
Message-ID: <03b801c5782b$428e0e20$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Go, Amy!

Love,

Tioga

=========================

-----Original Message-----
From: LilacAmy11@aol.com
Sent: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:18:10 -0700

hey everyone.... no action on the list for awhile so I thought I'd say hi I 
thought of HAIR recently because a friend and I were singing HAIR songs at a 
picnic (she's more of a friend of a friend and I didn't know she had been in 
HAIR at one point --- something (I don't remember what) prompted it and she 
started singing Hare Krishna and I was singing along and then she mentioned she 
had played Sheila and we started singing segments of the entire score:) It was 
fun)

As a quick update: I have been busy --- even though school's out now 
(work-wise) I still have two grad school classes (one that is keeping me SO busy) and 
I'm tutoring a few hours a week. I'm also trying to work out more - swimming 
and yoga - to lose weight and just be healthier in general. Also I have wedding 
stuff to do.... it's less than a year away now (just barely; we're getting 
married June 17, 2006) but still lots of things to do. I'd rather get things 
done now that I have more time. Also, I'm going to Italy with my best friend for 
10 days next week (ahhhhhh!:) So excited) so there's a lot of planning and 
packing for that. Plus trying to have a social life and fit in time for little 
things like reading, etc....... It's a full schedule!:)

anyway, I hope everyone's doing well! 

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings
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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Thu Jun 23 12:42:05 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Thu Jun 23 13:01:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My HAIRy news
Message-ID: <03c101c5782b$a5bdbf90$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Rock on, Leo!

Love,

tioga

==================

Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:37:18 -0400
From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>

Last year we held a "gathering of the tribes" (for the HAIR productions I 
directed in 97,99,03) at the site where we performed HAIR outdoors in 2003. 
We have turned this into an annual event so our second gathering is gonna be 
July 8-10 and once again it'll be at the same site. We toss up a Tent City 
on ample land and have 3 great days of peace, love, and camaraderie. We'll 
begin the festivities Friday evening with a blessing of the field, drum 
circle, and passing of the conch. Then we'll sit around a campfire late into 
the night just sharing & caring. Saturday we'll have some rock & roll music, 
singing, dancing, Frisbee throwing, barbecuing, swimming (suits optional), 
chanting and another evening of late night loving each other. Sunday morning 
we plan to go out for breakfast and then break camp with love in our hearts 
and gratitude for a weekend away from all the turmoil of our everyday lives. 
And all this shared with a bunch of great HAIR freaks. Just wanted to share 
the news.

PEACE,
Leo 
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From bev at beverlybremers.com  Thu Jun 23 13:14:25 2005
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Thu Jun 23 13:15:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
Message-ID: <20050623201425.A366D2F8EB@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Katie - Maybe you could import some actors, you know, "guest artists".
Perhaps someone on this list knows someone who would be interested.

Bev


----- Original Message -----
From: "Katie Kasben"
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:41:48 +0000

>
> Maybe I'm too idealistic, but I've been told so many times, "don't even
> bother" when trying to include the black community in my (or any)
project.
>
> I don't want to seem like the good intentioned white girl who is trying
to
> "fix" black people.
> I'm so frustrated.
>
> AM I trying to include the black community as a "them"? no one black
came to
> audition, and the gospel choir people I've approached won't do it
because of
> the language and content...sigh.
>
> The black community doesn't want anything to do with being part of the
tribe.
> We have absolutely no black middle class; and there's a huge rift in
the black
> community as well.
>
> How do I extend my hand in friendship without it being seen as
patronizing or
> condescending, or exploitative?
>
> I mean, I can't force anyone to be in my cast.
>
> troubled,
> K
>
>
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
>
>
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From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 23 13:27:43 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Thu Jun 23 13:27:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
In-Reply-To: <BEE02F5A.21125%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20050623202743.42647.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com>

   Just some info on "race"in Hair.German productions kept most of the lyrics intact
except for the fact that there was no such racial name-calling in Germany at that
time[early 70's].So the elevator operator-tap dancer-president of Harlem meant very
little to whoever even caught the words.The dialogue was changed to reference American
Indians and Patrice Lamumba and there was a famous cartoon Indian Chief character in
Germany at the time named Winnietoo,so many of the Little Beaver jokes were done in his
name.This worked best in the war/strobe sequence.They imported black actors from England
and the US.
   The Italian show had the same problem about getting blacks in their show.They mostly
used very tanned white folks.I was asked to join the show as a black actor.Good that I
didn't as they closed after the opening night.
   Yugoslavia had only the whitest of people and I think no racial references at all.They
mostly did the political parts of the show and very little singing.          
   The Dutch show had no problem as they had the Surinam people to kick around.
   England was the funniest as their black actors-when I saw it-were the lightest color
you ever saw and had the fakiest accents.XOXOX Michael

Michael David Arian 
michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Jun 23 14:43:39 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Thu Jun 23 14:43:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My HAIRy news
References: <03c101c5782b$a5bdbf90$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>
Message-ID: <003901c5783c$9e100cb0$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Hey Leo

Wish I was going to be back home in New England during that time, I would love to join you, it all sounds very cool ,hip & groovy :)

Love forever
Robin 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sibley Smith 
  To: Butler, Michael - HAIR List 
  Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 3:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] My HAIRy news


  Rock on, Leo!

  Love,

  tioga

  ==================

  Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 20:37:18 -0400
  From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>

  Last year we held a "gathering of the tribes" (for the HAIR productions I 
  directed in 97,99,03) at the site where we performed HAIR outdoors in 2003. 
  We have turned this into an annual event so our second gathering is gonna be 
  July 8-10 and once again it'll be at the same site. We toss up a Tent City 
  on ample land and have 3 great days of peace, love, and camaraderie. We'll 
  begin the festivities Friday evening with a blessing of the field, drum 
  circle, and passing of the conch. Then we'll sit around a campfire late into 
  the night just sharing & caring. Saturday we'll have some rock & roll music, 
  singing, dancing, Frisbee throwing, barbecuing, swimming (suits optional), 
  chanting and another evening of late night loving each other. Sunday morning 
  we plan to go out for breakfast and then break camp with love in our hearts 
  and gratitude for a weekend away from all the turmoil of our everyday lives. 
  And all this shared with a bunch of great HAIR freaks. Just wanted to share 
  the news.

  PEACE,
  Leo 
  ===================






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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Thu Jun 23 16:16:19 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Thu Jun 23 16:16:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: !!!!!ARGH
References: <200506231900.j5NJ098e027879@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <004401c57849$900ffdc0$6401a8c0@Leo>

Yeah my advice to Katie (off list) was not concerning the problem of getting 
black brothers & sisters involved but more of a "hang in there Katie and all 
will wotk out" in regards to the production as a whole.
I certainly will respond to the problem of finding/auditioning African 
Americans though.  In our 3 HAIR productions I never was able to cast an 
African American male! Two of the productions I had 1 black female and 
another production I actually was able to cast 2 sisters - what a bonus!! 
And this wasn't for a lack of trying. I sent audition notices out to all 
colleges and high schools within a 50 mile radius, to all 7 theatre lists of 
which I'm a member, to the NAACP, and to an organization in Portland (Me.) - 
the name escapes me now - whose whole bag was African American performers. I 
personally went up to Portland and talked to members of 2 different Lutheran 
churches whose base was predominately black and I hung audition posters all 
over both Portland and Portsmouth, NH. Of course I posted notices in all 
area newspapers & magazines. So I am sympathetic and empathetic to your 
dilemma Katie.
I may be wrong here, but I believe black face cannot be done these days, I 
had heard this awhile back and the explanation was that by doing black face 
you were "taking away" roles from African Americans. Maybe someone on this 
list has more knowledge about this issue than I do.
But I think Katie is on track by personally approaching African American 
leaders within the community.
A funny side bit for me was when I was in Portland I almost took to 
approaching any black brother or sister walking down the streets and asking 
them if they wanted to audition for HAIR. I figured they'd either think I 
was some bizzaro white guy or just plain nuts so I never implemented that 
idea!
Oh yeah I just remembered something else I tried. I contacted Stan Shaw who, 
to my knowledge, was the first African American Berger and asked his advice. 
He basically reiterated to me what I had already attempted. My wheels were 
cranking man; I was determined!!

PEACE,
Leo


> From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH

 Richard and Leo - if you sent advice to Katie privately off list I 
encourage  you to share it with us here, so that we can hear your thoughts 
on this, and
 work on putting all our thoughts on this into a document.


From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Thu Jun 23 16:38:01 2005
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 23 16:38:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26
Message-ID: <11.47e88088.2feca1d9@aol.com>

Ok! I got the first digest I've gotten in about 2-3 weeks...... so it seems 
I'm getting the list again although I don't know quite why it stopped.....

oh well:)

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Jun 23 17:51:52 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Jun 23 17:52:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH
References: <20050623202743.42647.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <011a01c57856$e97c3880$6e436c42@hotprojects>

you have to get real black folks now
tans?
youll get her in trouble
this is not 1972
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Arian" <michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] !!!!!!!ARGH


>    Just some info on "race"in Hair.German productions kept most of the
lyrics intact
> except for the fact that there was no such racial name-calling in Germany
at that
> time[early 70's].So the elevator operator-tap dancer-president of Harlem
meant very
> little to whoever even caught the words.The dialogue was changed to
reference American
> Indians and Patrice Lamumba and there was a famous cartoon Indian Chief
character in
> Germany at the time named Winnietoo,so many of the Little Beaver jokes
were done in his
> name.This worked best in the war/strobe sequence.They imported black
actors from England
> and the US.
>    The Italian show had the same problem about getting blacks in their
show.They mostly
> used very tanned white folks.I was asked to join the show as a black
actor.Good that I
> didn't as they closed after the opening night.
>    Yugoslavia had only the whitest of people and I think no racial
references at all.They
> mostly did the political parts of the show and very little singing.
>    The Dutch show had no problem as they had the Surinam people to kick
around.
>    England was the funniest as their black actors-when I saw it-were the
lightest color
> you ever saw and had the fakiest accents.XOXOX Michael
>
> Michael David Arian
> michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com
> "If you can't say something nice about someone, sit by me."
>
>
>
>
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 17:53:53 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Thu Jun 23 17:54:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: !!!!!ARGH
In-Reply-To: <004401c57849$900ffdc0$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F11E9528A230197260AC09BB2ED0@phx.gbl>

Leo, I well remember your struggles with this issue. The one of your 
productions that I saw used a black femaile for Hud, and that worked well. 
And, as was mentioned by Corinne, Delores Hall understudied Hud on Broadway 
and in LA, and went on many times, so there is flexibility.

And thanks Michael A. for those facinating bits on some of the European 
companies.

Thank you all for taking my message to heart! I love you all dearly, and am 
so enjoying reading the posts!
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Jun 23 19:08:44 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Jun 23 19:08:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: !!!!!ARGH
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F11E9528A230197260AC09BB2ED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BEE0B93C.21194%michael@michaelbutler.com>

So do I enjoy reading them. Sounds like old times.
Michael

> Leo, I well remember your struggles with this issue. The one of your
> productions that I saw used a black femaile for Hud, and that worked well.
> And, as was mentioned by Corinne, Delores Hall understudied Hud on Broadway
> and in LA, and went on many times, so there is flexibility.
> 
> And thanks Michael A. for those facinating bits on some of the European
> companies.
> 
> Thank you all for taking my message to heart! I love you all dearly, and am
> so enjoying reading the posts!
> Love,
> Nina
> 
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> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> 
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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 21:37:26 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Thu Jun 23 21:37:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] imports
In-Reply-To: <20050623201425.A366D2F8EB@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F311934ED3AE0587C4D0B59ADED0@phx.gbl>

Thanks Bev,
I'd love to~ and from what I understand, there is a way Equity will waive 
contract issues when the show is a benefit (which ours is).

but most of my friends who are in the union who have agents who don't like 
for them to leave NYC.

I had a good talk with some of my tribe tonight and I've told them to go 
into parts of our city they haven't visited before, and start meeting people 
of color, and inviting them to join our project~
(kind of like what Leo was talking about). So far, most of the people i have 
talked to have given me a blank stare, in fact I can see them shut down.  
So, what I've found is that you have to go very slowly and talk about the 
project in general before asking for their help.
we have a problem here though too, of black performers just not showing up.
if there is a church function, they just won't come~ don't call or anything.

Not being negative, but I know what we're up against.  I mean, it almost 
sounds like i don't believe anyone is out there who will do it~ hm. maybe 
I'm projecting all the negative and need to get back to my naive, optimistic 
roots.  Done!
I'll let you know how it turns out!

Peace!!
Katie




ALOHA NUI LOA!


From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 23 21:49:54 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Thu Jun 23 21:50:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] bring it on
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F393730F9D37107295BA058B2EA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2733C3582BCCCB72337001ADED0@phx.gbl>

Thank you Nina,
I really appreciate it.  I have been thinking that very thing, especially 
with Emmit Till and the three Civil Rights workers in Mississippi being in 
the news recently.  just the fact that we still don't have acceptable 
language to even ask for black performers...is it African American, Black, 
Of Colour, Minority, Diversity...??  Us...Them...       we????

When i get down though, i just think of Fredrick Douglas, "Agitate, Agitate, 
Agitate!"
Hell yeah.

:)
Peace,
K


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Fri Jun 24 05:08:27 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Dauber)
Date: Fri Jun 24 04:10:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: NPR, PBS vote TOMORROW -- help reach 400,000 signers
In-Reply-To: <200506150824.j5F8OIIU004835@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <33af7250547.3679a219@outgoing.verizon.net>

I know this is off-topic, but I thought those of you who were concerned
about PBS would like to know that the budget cut proposal was shot down;
just heard that on the Today Show a few minutes ago.

--
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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Fri Jun 24 10:43:25 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Fri Jun 24 11:02:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: new member/Bridgeport show
Message-ID: <019101c578e4$3e7b9410$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Dear Tribe,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, ... I know, I know, ... You've just been sitting on pins and needles waiting for my take on the Bridgeport HAIR Happening.  Smoke has finally cleared and dust has finally settled from the whirlwind of May-thru-mid-June activity at the New Jersey Vietnam Veterans' Memorial (10th Birthday was May 7).

Well, here I go:

May 21, 2005.  Destination, Bridgeport, Connecticut, for the Downtown Cabaret Theatre (DCT) production of HAIR.

New Jersey Transit rail from Asbury Park ("Greetings from Asbury Park," you Bruce Springsteen fans) to New York-Penn Station.  Rendezvous there with our dear Sally Shafer (OBC HAIR business office and, of late, from the Space Shuttle's launching pad back yard in Florida).  Nothing but good times from that point on.  The HAIR Gods were certainly smiling upon us.  Our trip was certainly a "Trip."

We ambled from NY-Penn to Grand Central Station, taking in a street fair/festival and a Turkish-American Pride parade.  And you couldn't have asked for a better weather day!  Actually, there was rain on and off all through that weekend, but it always seemed to happen while we were inside--inside a train, inside a building.  There was definitely something magical going on.  

Trained from NYC to Bridgeport.  I'd pre-arranged via e-mail with HAIR-Head Ross MacLean (whom I'd never met) for a HAIR ticket exchange in Bridgeport (I'd told him about a good train to take there-- the one we were on).  Sally and I leave the train and stop for a moment to get our bearings and plot our course from my map to get to the hotel and to the DCT, when a rather dapper gent with a silver moustache and a tan sport coat passes us with a glance and heads on up the street before us.  I say to Sally, "You know, I'd peg that guy to be a Vietnam veteran.  He's got the look."  Sally says, "You know, I think that might be Ross!"

"Okay, here's the plan," says I, "We'll walk fast to catch up with him, as as we approach him, we'll chat about what we're doing and I say "HAIR" loud enough for him to hear.  If he's Ross (or any other DCT-destined HAIR Head), he'll react.  Well, it worked, and that's how we met Ross.  BTW, Ross, you've gotta share your story.  Tribe, we're talking here about one hard-core HAIR fan (particularly L.A. & Hawaii, right, Ross?) from way way back!  I was honored to be in his company.

So, we drop off stuff at the hotel, then Ross and I head out to find the DCT to get the tickets.  We're on the right street at about the right place but can't seem to spot a theatre.  But we do spot this old hippy--long, long, straight silver hair and wearing a T-shirt with a cartoon picture on the front of a stoned guru seated in the lotus position (or something like that).  So, I says to Ross, loud enough for the hippy to hear, "Now, THIS looks like a guy who oughta know where HAIR is!"

Well, yeah, I was right.  He smiled and pointed us to the theatre entrance behind him.  Yeah, he knew.  Although we didn't know it at the time, this was our own Happy Hippy HAIR Director, Leo Lunser!

So, skipping along in time, Sally and I head for the show.  Wow!  How cool was that?  All these folks who'd only met by e-mail on Michael Butler's HAIR List wre grabbing each other and hugging and making a big scene in front of all these Bridgeportians and moms and dads of the cast members.  One big Love Fest!

Little Birdie, Nina!  Yeah, made a bee line to me to greet me!  And Trevor's there (oh, Trevor, who cares about you?  I got to hug Nina! : )  And Leo!  "Damn, Leo!  I shoulda known that was you!"  And, of course, the King, Michael Butler, was there, holding court.  Michael, such a thrill to see you again.  Oh, and I got to meet lovely Natalie.  And folks were pointed out to me, like Robert Camuto and Michael Arien (sorry we never got to chat much, gents, but there IS September, eh?).  And Bill Swiggard!  And Sherwin.  Hey, what an asset he is to the HAIR family, eh? (Thanks for the geat pics, BTW).  And Barbara Siomos made it in time to catch the end of the show.  People had to settle us down, so they could put on the show!

Well, Sally and I did our part to settle down and enjoy the show.  We made nice to the cast moms and dads sitting around us.  Had them point out theire children in the cast.  Then we poured ourselves some extra extra dry Vodka Martinis (Smirnoff, the BLUE label)--(you know, we had to alter our states of conscious somehow!  Leo forgot the THC! : )  

Oh, yeah, the show!  Excellent.  Excellent.  Powerful voices.  A good look to all --their characterizations and their believability.  Nice set, too.  No complaints.  Okay, maybe one.  A minor one.  'Though it was a major one to some others.  Yeah, Claude's insane giggles.  Continuously.  A directing call.  There could be some merit to it, if it was played just right -- like using it to freak-out tourists in Central Park or to emphasize how whacked out Claude thinks his mom is by her cutting out those "bloody King Korn stamps" and what not.  But, other than that, I enjoyed it thoroughly.  Enough to sneak back in and catch the second half of the second show after we'd had our reunion soiree at the pub nearby.  And, oh Man, it was tough not to just sing along with the songs full voiced.  Yeah, this Tribe tripped my trigger.  Great job.  Kudos.  And I dug their having a Black Berger!  A little chuckle from him as he sings, "I'm Rinso White."  It worked.

Yeah, the Old HAIR Tribe party at that pub was fantastic!  Hey, I even got to squeeze into a photo with Meredith!  And Natalie.  And Sally.  And anybody else I could seduce for a moment or two! : )  And rapped for a long time with Bill and gained some audience from Michael B.  Michael with his red HAIR-logo jacket and Sherwin with his HAIR-log jean jacket, snapping pictures, being friendly, making everyone feel welcome and at home.  And Sally was snapping pictures and likewise making everybody feel special.  Yeah, I cannot imagine this not being accurate: "A fun time was had by all."  I didn't really get to schmooze with everybody, but I hope to make up for that at LaMaMa in September.

Then the next day, Sally and I trained back to NYC (It rained while we rode and cleared up by the time we hit Grand Central--interior shots of which, BTW, I've seen in the trailer for that new animated flick, "Madagascar").  Sally's a super tour guide.  Took me to Central Park to the "Alice in Wonderland" sculpture.  Great place to veg out and people watch.  A gaggle of colorfully-clad young hippies climbed all over it to pose for a picture not at all unlike when the HAIR Tribe poses for the "Margaret Mead" Mom.  Sally asked and learned they were all acting students.  Prime meat for future HAIR productions!  You know, that infinity symbol above the "I" in "HAIR" is certainly appropriate.  I think there will be live productions of HAIR forever!

And Sally pointed out the red-tailed hawks nest at the top of one of the tall apartment buildings that abuts Central Park.  And we went to see the famous clock at the Central Park Zoo, where the animal sculptures march around on the hour (another landmark that shows up in "Madagascar").

We had ourselves some strong and hot Bloody Marys that afternoon to toast one magical, way cool, HAIRy weekend before we went our separate ways--me, back to the Jersey Shore, and Sally, back to the Florida Shore.  

Thanks to all who were a part my experience that weekend.  Glad I could Trip with you and I look forward to doing it again!

And I've been inspired to sorta do it again, starting tomorrow.  Heading South to Tioga, Louisiana.  See the mom and siblings (my B-day's Sunday), but more funnerly, going to see a college production of Jesus Christ Superstar at the same college where, 30 years ago, I was a JCS "Apostle" ("...Always hoped that I'd be an Apostle...) in a production there (same place where I was a Tribe member in HAIR).  And there's going to be a sort of impromptu reunion of us old cast and crew members (like we had in Bridgeport).  If I have half the amount of fun I had with the Bridgeport HAIR trip, I'll have plenty of fun for this JCS trip.

Later, Dudes and Dudettes (I'm supposed to be working.  Shhhh!  Don't tell!),
PEACE,
Tioga Joe
===============================
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:56:05 -0400
From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>

Meredith, it was a pleasure seeing you at the Bridgeport festivities. There 
was so much going on and so many people to rap with that I never had an 
opportunity to officially say "hello" and introduce myself. That's the 
reality of being immersed in a group of people who exude so much love, 
friendship, and excitement. I'm sure I'll chat with ya at La Mama; in the 
meantime, welcome and I'm glad you find your way here with Jeff's guidance.
I'm still riding the vibe of this past weekend and it's a beautiful thing.

PEACE,
Leo

> From: "Amerifilm Casting, Inc." <info@amerifilmcasting.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] new member/Bridgeport show

> This is an open letter to the tribe, with a few personalized notes at
> the end.  I am a new member, and just had a chance to look at
> Sherwin's photo page from the other night.  I am so choked up, I
> can't even explain how I feel from this experience, but I 'm sure
> you've all probably heard it before from other "fans".  As grown up
> as I want to appear, I've got to gush as my inner child, the child
> who first saw HAIR at 12 years old at The Wilbur Theatre in Boston in
> 1970.  Hi everyone, I'm Meredith, the beaming smiling blonde girl in
> the hot pink shirt in the Bridgeport reunion photos.  To see myself
> included in these pictures, to feel welcome and made part of a
> beautiful family, to see my name in others' emails - these things I
> never expected in my life!  To attend my first big HAIR event
> (besides the smaller La Mama gatherings recently) and to be made to
> feel already part of the gang - I'm speechless, just blown away.
> It's such a thrill and I'm so honored.  I also just read all the
> emails from May, (I'll have to get through all the past months emails
> when I have another free week) and am so touched at how nice and open
> everyone on the list is.  Thank you all, the ones I've met and the
> ones I've yet to meet, for this heartfelt welcome.
> Since seeing HAIR 35 years ago when my dad took me and a couple of my
> girl friends to the show (he's claiming now that he didn't know there
> was going to be a nude scene, yeah-right Dad) I've been a
> semi-collector, always loving the score but not finding much
> memorabilia at the flea markets. I've seen a handful of other
> productions of the show along the way (including Sherwin's VHS of his
> 1987 show which I insisted he loan me back in '91.)  Then along came
> eBay, and I've been happily wallowing in foreign vinyl and playbills
> for a few years. BUT, besides occasional online auction binges and
> work related stuff, I don't spend a lot of time on the computer,
> which I refer to as the "fancy typewriter" in my office.  I forget to
> look up websites about things I love, and therefore did not even KNOW
> about this awesome HAIR website until recently when my friend Jeff
> Lunger introduced me to it.  My husband Eric (also in the pictures
> with me) works with Jeff and when he found out about Jeff 's likewise
> love of HAIR he promptly hooked us up and Jeff, I THANK YOU for
> bringing me up to speed, tuned in and turned on!
> A funny side note - since the 1979 movie version came out, no matter
> what color or cut my hair has been, every so often to this day
> someone comes up to me and asks me if I'm "that girl in HAIR".  I
> know they're talking about Annie Golden.  I had the pleasure of
> working with Annie when I was the assistant coordinator of her movie
> CRAZY STREETS, and when I would go to where she was rehearsing a play
> in the Village to drop her off script pages or something her fellow
> cast members would ask her if I was her sister.  At the wrap party
> she autographed a headshot to me inscribed  "To my lovely look
> alike". I've continued to hear her sing at clubs over the years,
> she's got such a beautiful voice.
> To Nina, thank you for welcoming me into the club, and I'll send you
> shortly the pix I took at the pub and the La Mama events.  And  thank
> you for amassing and and maintaining this amazing web site and
> archive - Jeff and I are coming over!
> To Robin MacNamara - I still have my 45 I bought when it came out of
> Lay a Little Lovin' On Me - I've always loved that song.  I see by
> some of your emails that you're from Boston (me too) and that you
> recently played in Cambridge - do you play in NYC too?
> To Walter Harris - seeing you and your family at La Mama was an
> enriching and inspirational experience.  I know Jayne Ann from when
> our kids went to school together in Tribeca, I'm sorry I didn't
> formally meet you but it was great to catch up with her.
> To Jonathon Johnson - you recently sent me your book, which I just
> finished, thank you for that inside look. What a treat.
> To Sherwin - it was fun to reconnect with you, thanks for posting
> your pictures, and to Michael Butler and everyone else - The pleasure
> is all mine!  See you in September!


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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Fri Jun 24 12:44:11 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Fri Jun 24 13:03:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
Message-ID: <01f101c578f5$1907a820$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Casting HAIR when black actors or vocalists cannot be convinced to audition:

Would this be considered offensive by anyone?

What if you had a white actor (to portray Hud) and a couple more white guys (Tribe members) to play Hud's friends, and you characterize them as "whiggers."  Now, all through the play, other Tribe members will need to rib Hud for not being black, in the same manner the Tribe members rib Woof for not being "not homosexual."  EVERYBODY knows the kids aren't black.  But it's obvious the kids really wished they were.  And when three white chicks sing "Black Boys," aiming their glances towards the three whiggers, those chicks would come across as being turned on my those kids' faux blackness (which, hell's bells, would sure give me impetus to continue being a whigger, were I).  The aura cast would be that there's at least a small batch of white kids in Asheville (both the fictional Tribe and the actual actors in the cast) who would LOVE to be able to hang and party with some REAL black kids.  

Whaddya think?  Try it on for size.

Tioga Joe
==========================
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:48:53 -0400
From: venuetheatre@juno.com

Here is an idea, take your darkest actors and have them get a deep tan!
We used white guys with black hair in Clearwater (1985) and it became
light boys and dark boys.
OR be really innovative and make Hud a woman!  Delores Hall was a great
Hud!  Then you would add the Lesbian/gay issue into the mix.

Be creative but NO black face.  
There is a really dark tan makeup!  Looks Arabic.

Corinne


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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 24 13:11:43 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Jun 24 13:11:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: new member/Bridgeport show
In-Reply-To: <019101c578e4$3e7b9410$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F264D4C94DEFCBECD866CFB2ED0@phx.gbl>

Dear, dear Sib,

Thank you so much for your beautifully written story. I loved reading it. 
Brought back all the feelings and memories. So glad to think I can get 
another one of those great hugs in September.

Have a great time on your road trip and come back soon to us.
Love,
Nina

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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Jun 24 14:23:24 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Jun 24 14:23:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV135C8C4C8FEC189CBB2CE0ABED0@phx.gbl>

Amy.... I tend to think as Nina that it is aol... They have done things in the past with their mail lists and mail.... I know for a while it was taking hours and sometimes days for aol mail to get through.

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: LilacAmy11@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:38:01 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26

Ok! I got the first digest I've gotten in about 2-3 weeks...... so it seems 
I'm getting the list again although I don't know quite why it stopped....

oh well:)

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)


From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Fri Jun 24 14:48:49 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Fri Jun 24 14:48:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: bring it on
References: <200506241900.j5OJ09YP030976@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c57906$813b50c0$6401a8c0@Leo>


Yeah I hear ya Katie. I guess it's kinda like how politically correct does 
one want to be. It can be funky cuz not all Negroes, African Americans, 
Blacks, People of color, etc. want to be called Negroes, African American, 
Black, People of color. So it's like pick your poison. When I put out 
casting calls I simply said something to the effect that we needed some 
black brothers & sisters. Nuff said!

PEACE,
Leo

From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] bring it on

.  ...........just the fact that we still don't have acceptable  language to 
even ask for black performers...is it African American, Black,  Of Colour, 
Minority, Diversity...??  Us...Them...       we????
When i get down though, i just think of Fredrick Douglas, "Agitate, Agitate, 
Agitate!"
 Hell yeah......................................................

 :)
 Peace,
 K


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Jun 24 14:58:52 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Jun 24 14:59:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Tioga Joe's Rap on Bridgeport
Message-ID: <BEE1D02C.21216%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks for the report. Yes, it was great fun and just set us all up for
September.
Peace and Love,
Michael
-- . "Found", he said, "a world youth parliament. The Russians, the Chinese,
the black people in Africa - everyone has to become a member. If those will
not become a member now but later, you must start now - a world youth
parliament." The second thing I should found was a cosmic religion. He said,
"Religions, for 2000 years, have forfeited their purpose. They made a pact
always with political powers to grow their own religious power. You found a
world youth parliament and a cosmic religion." Albert Einstein 1954



From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Fri Jun 24 16:52:27 2005
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 24 16:53:02 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26
Message-ID: <19c.36111f5d.2fedf6bb@aol.com>

I do have a yahoo address too that I hardly ever use.... do you think it 
would be better to use that one for the list?

and today I had no digest from the HAIR list

-amy
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 24 18:19:50 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Jun 24 18:20:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26
In-Reply-To: <19c.36111f5d.2fedf6bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F40DDDD2BE0DB16965E5C77B2EC0@phx.gbl>

Hi Amy,

I can find nothiong wrong with you account. I am bumping this up the food 
chain, and will let you know what, if anything, I find out. In the meantime 
read the archived posts so you don't miss anything great - like Tioga's 
descritpion of the Bridgeport reunion!

Nina

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http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: LilacAmy11@aol.com
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: barbarasiomos38@msn.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26
>Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:52:27 EDT
>
>I do have a yahoo address too that I hardly ever use.... do you think it
>would be better to use that one for the list?
>
>and today I had no digest from the HAIR list
>
>-amy
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Fri Jun 24 23:01:50 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Fri Jun 24 23:02:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Dagmar's Plantans...
Message-ID: <47490-2200566256150209@M2W078.mail2web.com>

Hi Jim,

Just found this hiding in the pile.

 That's FUNNY!!
 ;-)

It could also be something you get when hit by a Planter's Punch!

 Dagmar in silly mode...

Original Message:
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From:  jameshburns@webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 07:13:46 -0400
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Dagmar's Plantans...



Now, Dagmar, you've just educated me...

I always though Plantars Fascitis was an allergic reaction--

To peanuts...

;-)

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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sat Jun 25 06:13:44 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sat Jun 25 06:14:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Planter's Punch
Message-ID: <22665-42BD5888-827@storefull-3275.bay.webtv.net>


I think our jokes make me "rum" for cover... 

;-) 

Best, Jim 

From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 25 07:15:04 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Sat Jun 25 07:15:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
In-Reply-To: <01f101c578f5$1907a820$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F276BE7E01F46FABFA66D46ADEC0@phx.gbl>

You know,

I think when I talk to some of the black leaders of our community I will get 
a better feel.  But, finding a solution on our own will hopefully motivate 
the black community to come out and play with us.  I mean, while they may 
not find the "whigger" idea as offensive, it may enough of a bur under the 
saddle to leave the protective, suspicious "no whites allowed" attitude.

I'm not giving up.

hm. it certainly would cause a stir...maybe that, ultimately, would be good 
too!
:)
Love,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From swiggard at comcast.net  Sat Jun 25 08:33:44 2005
From: swiggard at comcast.net (swiggard@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Jun 25 08:34:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: No Black Actors
Message-ID: <85260-220056625153344425@M2W059.mail2web.com>

Hi there Katie -

I have been reading along in the background, but thought I would weigh in
here.  First off, you should know that I am a HAIR Purist, with a strong
preference for the version performed on Broadway in the Day (I played
Claude in the Mercury National Tour 1971-72). I am 53 now, and I suppose
turning curmudgeonish, but HAIR is very precious to me because it changed
my life utterly and permanently. 

One of the moist extraordinary things about HAIR - then and now - is the
sheer number of social and political issues it brings up. It was the first,
and in some ways remains the only Broadway show ever to touch on these
things.  Most obviously there is the antiwar message brought on by the
Vietnam quagmire - the central struggle in the show.  But HAIR was also the
first musiocal to talk about racism, racial stereotypes and black militancy
as a solution, with the black militant character presented as a real person
with emotions who explodes the stereotypes he plays with.  Not to mention
the other messages of HAIR:  the Save the Earth message, sexual liberation,
gay and bisexual liberation, gender liberation, and dope as a Good Thing in
the right circumstances and a Bad Thing in others (Claude's Bad Trip, the
crazy Speed Freak who knocks up Jeanie,etc.).

There is nothing better as an evening of theater than a good production of
HAIR.  There are few things more painful to watch than a bad production of
HAIR, or a show that tries to do HAIR and falls short.  Which is not to say
that there is not room in my HAIR world for alternative ways of putting the
show on - but it must stun, amaze, overwhelm, and above all Rock Da House.
Or else it ain't HAIR.

I think HAIR without real, live African American actors is not HAIR. While
I feel for you in the difficulty of casting, I think failing to get real
African American people into the cast is a Deal Breaker that should lead to
cancellation.  I do not mean to sound sadistic or hard-hearted here. I know
about challenges and rising above them, which unforunately is something
fate has handed you when you came up with the idea to put the show on.  I
wish you a thrilling ride and a life changing experience, which as you know
HAIR was for many of us on this list. I wish you a real HAIR, a dazzling
HAIR, done right.  We will all help in whatever way we can on this list and
in real life.

We're rooting for you.  Keep trying.  You can do this.

Peace, Love, Freedom, Happiness -
Bill

-----------------
From: Katie Kasben katiekasben@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:15:04 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors


You know,

I think when I talk to some of the black leaders of our community I will
get 
a better feel.  But, finding a solution on our own will hopefully motivate 
the black community to come out and play with us.  I mean, while they may 
not find the "whigger" idea as offensive, it may enough of a bur under the 
saddle to leave the protective, suspicious "no whites allowed" attitude.

I'm not giving up.

hm. it certainly would cause a stir...maybe that, ultimately, would be good 
too!
:)
Love,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 25 13:22:21 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun 25 13:22:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
References: <BAY104-F276BE7E01F46FABFA66D46ADEC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005301c579c3$977c8170$6e436c42@hotprojects>

katie i cant believe you cant find blacks in north carolina
within 50 miles what about going to a black college?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors


> You know,
>
> I think when I talk to some of the black leaders of our community I will
get
> a better feel.  But, finding a solution on our own will hopefully motivate
> the black community to come out and play with us.  I mean, while they may
> not find the "whigger" idea as offensive, it may enough of a bur under the
> saddle to leave the protective, suspicious "no whites allowed" attitude.
>
> I'm not giving up.
>
> hm. it certainly would cause a stir...maybe that, ultimately, would be
good
> too!
> :)
> Love,
> Katie
>
>
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 25 13:24:39 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun 25 13:25:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: No Black Actors
References: <85260-220056625153344425@M2W059.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <013801c579c3$ea1a8f80$6e436c42@hotprojects>

you know its interesting bill
ive rarely ( if ever ) seen a bad production of HAIR
eg like my fair lady or the king and i
there is so much that is intrinsically good
it may be hard to do brilliantly because of all the elements
but i think its equally hard to do it badly
( at least thats my opinion )
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <swiggard@comcast.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:33 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: No Black Actors


> Hi there Katie -
>
> I have been reading along in the background, but thought I would weigh in
> here.  First off, you should know that I am a HAIR Purist, with a strong
> preference for the version performed on Broadway in the Day (I played
> Claude in the Mercury National Tour 1971-72). I am 53 now, and I suppose
> turning curmudgeonish, but HAIR is very precious to me because it changed
> my life utterly and permanently.
>
> One of the moist extraordinary things about HAIR - then and now - is the
> sheer number of social and political issues it brings up. It was the
first,
> and in some ways remains the only Broadway show ever to touch on these
> things.  Most obviously there is the antiwar message brought on by the
> Vietnam quagmire - the central struggle in the show.  But HAIR was also
the
> first musiocal to talk about racism, racial stereotypes and black
militancy
> as a solution, with the black militant character presented as a real
person
> with emotions who explodes the stereotypes he plays with.  Not to mention
> the other messages of HAIR:  the Save the Earth message, sexual
liberation,
> gay and bisexual liberation, gender liberation, and dope as a Good Thing
in
> the right circumstances and a Bad Thing in others (Claude's Bad Trip, the
> crazy Speed Freak who knocks up Jeanie,etc.).
>
> There is nothing better as an evening of theater than a good production of
> HAIR.  There are few things more painful to watch than a bad production of
> HAIR, or a show that tries to do HAIR and falls short.  Which is not to
say
> that there is not room in my HAIR world for alternative ways of putting
the
> show on - but it must stun, amaze, overwhelm, and above all Rock Da House.
> Or else it ain't HAIR.
>
> I think HAIR without real, live African American actors is not HAIR. While
> I feel for you in the difficulty of casting, I think failing to get real
> African American people into the cast is a Deal Breaker that should lead
to
> cancellation.  I do not mean to sound sadistic or hard-hearted here. I
know
> about challenges and rising above them, which unforunately is something
> fate has handed you when you came up with the idea to put the show on.  I
> wish you a thrilling ride and a life changing experience, which as you
know
> HAIR was for many of us on this list. I wish you a real HAIR, a dazzling
> HAIR, done right.  We will all help in whatever way we can on this list
and
> in real life.
>
> We're rooting for you.  Keep trying.  You can do this.
>
> Peace, Love, Freedom, Happiness -
> Bill
>
> -----------------
> From: Katie Kasben katiekasben@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:15:04 +0000
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
>
>
> You know,
>
> I think when I talk to some of the black leaders of our community I will
> get
> a better feel.  But, finding a solution on our own will hopefully motivate
> the black community to come out and play with us.  I mean, while they may
> not find the "whigger" idea as offensive, it may enough of a bur under the
> saddle to leave the protective, suspicious "no whites allowed" attitude.
>
> I'm not giving up.
>
> hm. it certainly would cause a stir...maybe that, ultimately, would be
good
> too!
> :)
> Love,
> Katie
>
>
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
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> http://mail2web.com/ .
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>
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 25 14:25:28 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sat Jun 25 14:25:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
In-Reply-To: <005301c579c3$977c8170$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F23BF8631447F29C36CA5C8B2EC0@phx.gbl>

Richard wrote:
>katie i cant believe you cant find blacks in north carolina
>within 50 miles what about going to a black college?

Hi Richard - Katie didn't say she couldn't find black people; she said she 
couldn't find black people who were interested in being in a production of 
Hair.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
>Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:22:21 -0400
>
>katie i cant believe you cant find blacks in north carolina
>within 50 miles what about going to a black college?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:15 AM
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
>
>
> > You know,
> >
> > I think when I talk to some of the black leaders of our community I will
>get
> > a better feel.  But, finding a solution on our own will hopefully 
>motivate
> > the black community to come out and play with us.  I mean, while they 
>may
> > not find the "whigger" idea as offensive, it may enough of a bur under 
>the
> > saddle to leave the protective, suspicious "no whites allowed" attitude.
> >
> > I'm not giving up.
> >
> > hm. it certainly would cause a stir...maybe that, ultimately, would be
>good
> > too!
> > :)
> > Love,
> > Katie
> >
> >
> > ALOHA NUI LOA!
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>_______________________________________________
>Mb-hair mailing list
>Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 25 14:27:14 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun 25 14:27:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
References: <BAY104-F23BF8631447F29C36CA5C8B2EC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006901c579cc$a7f5cbc0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i know thanks for the correction
however im just commenting it doesnt quite make sense to me okay?
just my expertise as a professional union director
and mental health professional
but then
what do i know?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors


> Richard wrote:
> >katie i cant believe you cant find blacks in north carolina
> >within 50 miles what about going to a black college?
>
> Hi Richard - Katie didn't say she couldn't find black people; she said she
> couldn't find black people who were interested in being in a production of
> Hair.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
> >From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
> >Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:22:21 -0400
> >
> >katie i cant believe you cant find blacks in north carolina
> >within 50 miles what about going to a black college?
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:15 AM
> >Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
> >
> >
> > > You know,
> > >
> > > I think when I talk to some of the black leaders of our community I
will
> >get
> > > a better feel.  But, finding a solution on our own will hopefully
> >motivate
> > > the black community to come out and play with us.  I mean, while they
> >may
> > > not find the "whigger" idea as offensive, it may enough of a bur under
> >the
> > > saddle to leave the protective, suspicious "no whites allowed"
attitude.
> > >
> > > I'm not giving up.
> > >
> > > hm. it certainly would cause a stir...maybe that, ultimately, would be
> >good
> > > too!
> > > :)
> > > Love,
> > > Katie
> > >
> > >
> > > ALOHA NUI LOA!
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mb-hair mailing list
> > > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 25 14:28:17 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun 25 14:28:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
References: <BAY104-F23BF8631447F29C36CA5C8B2EC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008201c579cc$cd723370$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i would go to the north carolina school of the arts at chapel hill
?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors


> Richard wrote:
> >katie i cant believe you cant find blacks in north carolina
> >within 50 miles what about going to a black college?
>
> Hi Richard - Katie didn't say she couldn't find black people; she said she
> couldn't find black people who were interested in being in a production of
> Hair.
>
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
> >From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
> >Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
> >Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:22:21 -0400
> >
> >katie i cant believe you cant find blacks in north carolina
> >within 50 miles what about going to a black college?
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 10:15 AM
> >Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
> >
> >
> > > You know,
> > >
> > > I think when I talk to some of the black leaders of our community I
will
> >get
> > > a better feel.  But, finding a solution on our own will hopefully
> >motivate
> > > the black community to come out and play with us.  I mean, while they
> >may
> > > not find the "whigger" idea as offensive, it may enough of a bur under
> >the
> > > saddle to leave the protective, suspicious "no whites allowed"
attitude.
> > >
> > > I'm not giving up.
> > >
> > > hm. it certainly would cause a stir...maybe that, ultimately, would be
> >good
> > > too!
> > > :)
> > > Love,
> > > Katie
> > >
> > >
> > > ALOHA NUI LOA!
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mb-hair mailing list
> > > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Mb-hair mailing list
> >Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Jun 25 16:54:30 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Jun 25 16:54:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
In-Reply-To: <010101c575ad$eab35360$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>
Message-ID: <BEE33CC6.212B9%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Sorry to be so long in responding. I am responsible for sending Gerald's
stuff.
There has been so little Hair centric activity since the days of Pentacle
and WMH I wonder if it is worth the cost?
Most political stuff now goes to Civic. It was started in response to Shaw's
flame out. Occasionally I do post something about our political scene.
I am sorry but I got into Hair because of politics in  a time when it was
child's play compared to today.
So let us hope we again see some theatrical use of this list.
Michael



> Gerald, Gerald,
> 
> "Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful stuff
> ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the mailboxes of
> your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not
> further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about and
> discussing things HAIR?
> 
> I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in expressing my
> dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter how
> "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes me
> (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association -- because
> the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a place
> just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better
> housekeeping, it loses its credibility.
> 
> Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have,
> because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of Bounce!
> : )
> 
> Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant.  Gerald
> Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.
> 
> Wearily,
> 
> Tioga Joe
> 
> ====================
> 
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
> 
> Bounce this around!
> 
> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
> 
> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
> yellow jackets away.
> 
> [ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]
> 
> ======================
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 25 17:42:40 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun 25 17:43:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] and by the way guys i wish katie the absolute best
Message-ID: <000801c579e7$f5657340$6e436c42@hotprojects>

honest
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun 25 17:45:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] peace everybody
Message-ID: <000801c579e8$45895990$6e436c42@hotprojects>

not looking for a confrontation with anyone
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun 25 18:06:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] come on i love you guys
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun 25 18:08:25 2005
Subject: Fw: [Mb-hair] come on i love you guys
Message-ID: <001801c579eb$8218dc70$6e436c42@hotprojects>

now i know how jerry felt
lol and not lol
( eg when he was carrying that sign " hair unfair to berger "
lol
come on guys laugh
----- Original Message ----- 
From: richard haase 
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 9:06 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] come on i love you guys





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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Jun 25 23:46:23 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun 25 23:46:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] testing
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Jun 25 23:48:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] testing
References: <000d01c57a1a$c4cc0310$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <001601c57a1b$06c5a910$6e436c42@hotprojects>

thank you everyone for mercy
love and peace
goodnight

r
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: richard haase 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:46 AM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] testing





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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun 26 06:15:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] when the moon is in the seventh house
Message-ID: <00e101c57a51$0fd62800$6e436c42@hotprojects>

peace nina
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun 26 06:52:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] this place is eerily quiet this morning
Message-ID: <003901c57a56$388df250$6e436c42@hotprojects>

is anyone there?
sherwin? nina? barbara? charles?
this is eerie
( like the last scene in its a wonderful life )
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sun Jun 26 07:16:51 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sun Jun 26 07:16:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...
Message-ID: <21940-220056026141651171@M2W110.mail2web.com>

Good Sunday morning,  Michael,

We should not be limited to political and purely HAIR reltaed topics here. 
Are we not all multi-facetted people? 
With many interests - and a "love and devotion" to HAIR?

I have sent photos I wanted to share, and probably some responses and ideas
not 
entirely "hairy" - so what?
 I like to hear about  personal stuff going on in our tribes, it brings us
all closer.

not every message interests me, of course, so I skip across it.

Lighten up, Tioga Joe. As you saw from my response ot Gerald, 
I didn't agree with all that was suggested in his message, 
but I would not tell him NOT to send something he finds interesting.

I would have attached a photo I took yesterday of a young Javelina 
sitting in our birdbath 
(a much too small bathtub for it!)  -
but maybe I'll just send it to a few people directly. 

(Nina: it's coming!)

Our temps have been above 100F, so animal behaviour gets modified. 
Maybe it's the summer heat that makes some of us more irritable than we
usually are

Love and peace

 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:54:30 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...


Sorry to be so long in responding. I am responsible for sending Gerald's
stuff.
There has been so little Hair centric activity since the days of Pentacle
and WMH I wonder if it is worth the cost?
Most political stuff now goes to Civic. It was started in response to Shaw's
flame out. Occasionally I do post something about our political scene.
I am sorry but I got into Hair because of politics in  a time when it was
child's play compared to today.
So let us hope we again see some theatrical use of this list.
Michael



> Gerald, Gerald,
> 
> "Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful
stuff
> ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the
mailboxes of
> your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not
> further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about
and
> discussing things HAIR?
> 
> I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in
expressing my
> dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter
how
> "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes me
> (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association --
because
> the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a
place
> just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better
> housekeeping, it loses its credibility.
> 
> Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have,
> because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of
Bounce!
> : )
> 
> Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant.  Gerald
> Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.
> 
> Wearily,
> 
> Tioga Joe
> 
> ====================
> 
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
> 
> Bounce this around!
> 
> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
> 
> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
> yellow jackets away.
> 
> [ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]
> 
> ======================
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 

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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Jun 26 09:03:52 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sun Jun 26 09:04:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...
References: <21940-220056026141651171@M2W110.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <000901c57a68$a604ff60$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Dagmar

I totally agree with you, this list is first & formost a list about Hair but 
Hair was & is about world events i.e. Viet Nam & the ignorence & maddness of 
war in general among many other things. Please tribe never hesitate to 
express yourself with whatever is on your mind whether it be Hair or Civic 
or maybe just a personal problem you might be having we are all friends 
here.Dagmar please send the picture of the Javelina to the list I would love 
to see it. :)

Love forever
Robin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...


> Good Sunday morning,  Michael,
>
> We should not be limited to political and purely HAIR reltaed topics here.
> Are we not all multi-facetted people?
> With many interests - and a "love and devotion" to HAIR?
>
> I have sent photos I wanted to share, and probably some responses and 
> ideas
> not
> entirely "hairy" - so what?
> I like to hear about  personal stuff going on in our tribes, it brings us
> all closer.
>
> not every message interests me, of course, so I skip across it.
>
> Lighten up, Tioga Joe. As you saw from my response ot Gerald,
> I didn't agree with all that was suggested in his message,
> but I would not tell him NOT to send something he finds interesting.
>
> I would have attached a photo I took yesterday of a young Javelina
> sitting in our birdbath
> (a much too small bathtub for it!)  -
> but maybe I'll just send it to a few people directly.
>
> (Nina: it's coming!)
>
> Our temps have been above 100F, so animal behaviour gets modified.
> Maybe it's the summer heat that makes some of us more irritable than we
> usually are
>
> Love and peace
>
> Dagmar
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:54:30 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
>
>
> Sorry to be so long in responding. I am responsible for sending Gerald's
> stuff.
> There has been so little Hair centric activity since the days of Pentacle
> and WMH I wonder if it is worth the cost?
> Most political stuff now goes to Civic. It was started in response to 
> Shaw's
> flame out. Occasionally I do post something about our political scene.
> I am sorry but I got into Hair because of politics in  a time when it was
> child's play compared to today.
> So let us hope we again see some theatrical use of this list.
> Michael
>
>
>
>> Gerald, Gerald,
>>
>> "Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful
> stuff
>> ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the
> mailboxes of
>> your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not
>> further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about
> and
>> discussing things HAIR?
>>
>> I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in
> expressing my
>> dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter
> how
>> "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes 
>> me
>> (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association --
> because
>> the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a
> place
>> just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better
>> housekeeping, it loses its credibility.
>>
>> Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have,
>> because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of
> Bounce!
>> : )
>>
>> Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant. 
>> Gerald
>> Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.
>>
>> Wearily,
>>
>> Tioga Joe
>>
>> ====================
>>
>> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Bounce this around!
>>
>> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
>>
>> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
>> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
>> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
>> yellow jackets away.
>>
>> [ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]
>>
>> ======================
>>
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sun Jun 26 10:44:40 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sun Jun 26 10:56:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Here comes the Javelina!
Message-ID: <251670-220056026174440765@M2W048.mail2web.com>

Hi Robin

Thanks for your message, 
(and Richard, thanks for yours too - I'd love to shoot HAIR again, one of
these days...)

 here is the 'requested' photo, actually  I'm sending TWO -
bending the rules  a bit...

BUT IT IS HAIRY!!!!

;-))

 Hugs
 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Robin McNamara olhippie@tampabay.rr.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:03:52 -0400
To: fotoblue@flash.net, mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...


Dagmar

I totally agree with you, this list is first & formost a list about Hair
but 
Hair was & is about world events i.e. Viet Nam & the ignorence & maddness
of 
war in general among many other things. Please tribe never hesitate to 
express yourself with whatever is on your mind whether it be Hair or Civic 
or maybe just a personal problem you might be having we are all friends 
here.Dagmar please send the picture of the Javelina to the list I would
love 
to see it. :)

Love forever
Robin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...


> Good Sunday morning,  Michael,
>
> We should not be limited to political and purely HAIR related topics here.
> Are we not all multi-facetted people?
> With many interests - and a "love and devotion" to HAIR?
>
> I have sent photos I wanted to share, and probably some responses and 
> ideas
> not
> entirely "hairy" - so what?
> I like to hear about  personal stuff going on in our tribes, it brings us
> all closer.
>
> not every message interests me, of course, so I skip across it.
>
> Lighten up, Tioga Joe. As you saw from my response to Gerald,
> I didn't agree with all that was suggested in his message,
> but I would not tell him NOT to send something he finds interesting.
>
> I would have attached a photo I took yesterday of a young Javelina
> sitting in our birdbath
> (a much too small bathtub for it!)  -
> but maybe I'll just send it to a few people directly.
>
> (Nina: it's coming!)
>
> Our temps have been above 100F, so animal behaviour gets modified.
> Maybe it's the summer heat that makes some of us more irritable than we
> usually are
>
> Love and peace
>
> Dagmar
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:54:30 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
>
>
> Sorry to be so long in responding. I am responsible for sending Gerald's
> stuff.
> There has been so little Hair centric activity since the days of Pentacle
> and WMH I wonder if it is worth the cost?
> Most political stuff now goes to Civic. It was started in response to 
> Shaw's
> flame out. Occasionally I do post something about our political scene.
> I am sorry but I got into Hair because of politics in  a time when it was
> child's play compared to today.
> So let us hope we again see some theatrical use of this list.
> Michael
>
>
>
>> Gerald, Gerald,
>>
>> "Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful
> stuff
>> ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the
> mailboxes of
>> your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not
>> further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about
> and
>> discussing things HAIR?
>>
>> I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in
> expressing my
>> dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter
> how
>> "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes 
>> me
>> (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association --
> because
>> the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a
> place
>> just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better
>> housekeeping, it loses its credibility.
>>
>> Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have,
>> because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of
> Bounce!
>> : )
>>
>> Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant. 
>> Gerald
>> Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.
>>
>> Wearily,
>>
>> Tioga Joe
>>
>> ====================
>>
>> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
>>
>> Bounce this around!
>>
>> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
>>
>> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
>> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
>> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
>> yellow jackets away.
>>
>> [ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]
>>
>> ======================
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair


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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Jun 26 11:03:43 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Jun 26 11:04:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV18D492133D535E3ABDB20DABEF0@phx.gbl>

As I opened my local Doylestown, PA paper today look what was on the first page of the "Life" section as a Headline...

"Famous Firsts"

After six months at the off-Broadway New York Shakespeare Festival Theatre. "HAiR" opened  at the Biltmore Theatre in New York in 1968. It was the first rock-musical to play on the Great White Way.

WoW!

peace,
barbara


From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Jun 26 11:07:30 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Jun 26 11:07:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: No Black Actors
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1623052442B95291EDF32DABEF0@phx.gbl>

Hi Katie...

I could not have put it as eloquently as Bill but I totally agree with him.... The Black actors are a major factor in HAiR.

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: swiggard@comcast.net
Sent: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:33:44 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: No Black Actors

Hi there Katie -

I have been reading along in the background, but thought I would weigh in
here.  First off, you should know that I am a HAIR Purist, with a strong
preference for the version performed on Broadway in the Day (I played
Claude in the Mercury National Tour 1971-72). I am 53 now, and I suppose
turning curmudgeonish, but HAIR is very precious to me because it changed
my life utterly and permanently. 

One of the moist extraordinary things about HAIR - then and now - is the
sheer number of social and political issues it brings up. It was the first,
and in some ways remains the only Broadway show ever to touch on these
things.  Most obviously there is the antiwar message brought on by the
Vietnam quagmire - the central struggle in the show.  But HAIR was also the
first musiocal to talk about racism, racial stereotypes and black militancy
as a solution, with the black militant character presented as a real person
with emotions who explodes the stereotypes he plays with.  Not to mention
the other messages of HAIR:  the Save the Earth message, sexual liberation,
gay and bisexual liberation, gender liberation, and dope as a Good Thing in
the right circumstances and a Bad Thing in others (Claude's Bad Trip, the
crazy Speed Freak who knocks up Jeanie,etc.).

There is nothing better as an evening of theater than a good production of
HAIR.  There are few things more painful to watch than a bad production of
HAIR, or a show that tries to do HAIR and falls short.  Which is not to say
that there is not room in my HAIR world for alternative ways of putting the
show on - but it must stun, amaze, overwhelm, and above all Rock Da House
Or else it ain't HAIR.

I think HAIR without real, live African American actors is not HAIR. While
I feel for you in the difficulty of casting, I think failing to get real
African American people into the cast is a Deal Breaker that should lead to
cancellation.  I do not mean to sound sadistic or hard-hearted here. I know
about challenges and rising above them, which unforunately is something
fate has handed you when you came up with the idea to put the show on.  I
wish you a thrilling ride and a life changing experience, which as you know
HAIR was for many of us on this list. I wish you a real HAIR, a dazzling
HAIR, done right.  We will all help in whatever way we can on this list and
in real life.

We're rooting for you.  Keep trying.  You can do this.

Peace, Love, Freedom, Happiness -
Bill

-----------------
From: Katie Kasben katiekasben@hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:15:04 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors


You know,

I think when I talk to some of the black leaders of our community I will
get 
a better feel.  But, finding a solution on our own will hopefully motivate 
the black community to come out and play with us.  I mean, while they may 
not find the "whigger" idea as offensive, it may enough of a bur under the 
saddle to leave the protective, suspicious "no whites allowed" attitude.

I'm not giving up.

hm. it certainly would cause a stir...maybe that, ultimately, would be good 
too!
:)
Love,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sun Jun 26 11:11:18 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sun Jun 26 11:11:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts
Message-ID: <203660-22005602618111862@M2W118.mail2web.com>

We opened in APRIL!!!
 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Barbara Siomos barbarasiomos38@msn.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:03:43 GMT
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts


As I opened my local Doylestown, PA paper today look what was on the first
page of 
the "Life" section as a Headline...

"Famous Firsts"

After six months at the off-Broadway New York Shakespeare Festival Theatre.
"HAiR" 
opened  at the Biltmore Theatre in New York in 1968. It was the first
rock-musical to 
play on the Great White Way.

WoW!

peace,
barbara


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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Jun 26 11:33:55 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Jun 26 11:34:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV9C9136D87B1F59C641E54ABEF0@phx.gbl>

Dagmar.... I love your photos please send on.

peace,
barbara


-----Original Message-----
From: fotoblue@flash.net
Sent: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:16:51 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...

Good Sunday morning,  Michael,

We should not be limited to political and purely HAIR reltaed topics here 
Are we not all multi-facetted people? 
With many interests - and a "love and devotion" to HAIR?

I have sent photos I wanted to share, and probably some responses and ideas
not 
entirely "hairy" - so what?
 I like to hear about  personal stuff going on in our tribes, it brings us
all closer.

not every message interests me, of course, so I skip across it.

Lighten up, Tioga Joe. As you saw from my response ot Gerald, 
I didn't agree with all that was suggested in his message, 
but I would not tell him NOT to send something he finds interesting.

I would have attached a photo I took yesterday of a young Javelina 
sitting in our birdbath 
(a much too small bathtub for it!)  -
but maybe I'll just send it to a few people directly. 

(Nina: it's coming!)

Our temps have been above 100F, so animal behaviour gets modified. 
Maybe it's the summer heat that makes some of us more irritable than we
usually are

Love and peace

 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:54:30 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...


Sorry to be so long in responding. I am responsible for sending Gerald's
stuff.
There has been so little Hair centric activity since the days of Pentacle
and WMH I wonder if it is worth the cost?
Most political stuff now goes to Civic. It was started in response to Shaw's
flame out. Occasionally I do post something about our political scene.
I am sorry but I got into Hair because of politics in  a time when it was
child's play compared to today.
So let us hope we again see some theatrical use of this list.
Michael



> Gerald, Gerald,
> 
> "Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful
stuff
> ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the
mailboxes of
> your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not
> further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about
and
> discussing things HAIR?
> 
> I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in
expressing my
> dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter
how
> "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes me
> (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association --
because
> the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a
place
> just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better
> housekeeping, it loses its credibility.
> 
> Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have,
> because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of
Bounce!
> : )
> 
> Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant.  Gerald
> Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.
> 
> Wearily,
> 
> Tioga Joe
> 
> ====================
> 
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
> 
> Bounce this around!
> 
> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
> 
> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
> yellow jackets away.
> 
> [ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]
> 
> ======================
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Jun 26 11:38:30 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Jun 26 11:38:49 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV192C8FDC270930C878A94ABEF0@phx.gbl>

They are a bit late but better late than never.

b.

-----Original Message-----
From: fotoblue@flash.net
Sent: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:11:18 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts

We opened in APRIL!!!
 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Barbara Siomos barbarasiomos38@msn.com
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:03:43 GMT
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts


As I opened my local Doylestown, PA paper today look what was on the first
page of 
the "Life" section as a Headline...

"Famous Firsts"

After six months at the off-Broadway New York Shakespeare Festival Theatre.
"HAiR" 
opened  at the Biltmore Theatre in New York in 1968. It was the first
rock-musical to 
play on the Great White Way.

WoW!

peace,
barbara


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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 26 11:56:47 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sun Jun 26 11:57:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Here comes the Javelina!
In-Reply-To: <251670-220056026174440765@M2W048.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F1098EE3A33F144581C4CB3B2EF0@phx.gbl>

Not bending the rules at all. Thank you for the wonderful Javelins, dear 
Dagmar!
Love,
Nina

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Jun 26 12:17:03 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun 26 12:17:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts
References: <203660-22005602618111862@M2W118.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <007601c57a83$a2d4d9d0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

i know dagmar i was there/ saw the show during that first month
i was going on 10
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts


> We opened in APRIL!!!
>  Dagmar
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Barbara Siomos barbarasiomos38@msn.com
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:03:43 GMT
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts
>
>
> As I opened my local Doylestown, PA paper today look what was on the first
> page of
> the "Life" section as a Headline...
>
> "Famous Firsts"
>
> After six months at the off-Broadway New York Shakespeare Festival
Theatre.
> "HAiR"
> opened  at the Biltmore Theatre in New York in 1968. It was the first
> rock-musical to
> play on the Great White Way.
>
> WoW!
>
> peace,
> barbara
>
>
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From swiggard at comcast.net  Sun Jun 26 12:30:53 2005
From: swiggard at comcast.net (William Swiggard)
Date: Sun Jun 26 12:31:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE:  The Javelina!
Message-ID: <42BF026D.2020503@comcast.net>

WOW!!!!

Thanks, Dagmar!  I will smile all day long after seeing these.  And I 
agree with Robin.  Your photos continue to be a source of inspiration to 
us all.  In fact, they are what we all think of when we conjure up 
images of Our Favorite Show. I think it is very ON topic for us to peek 
through the lens with you at whatever you choose to share with us. 

Plus the pro-ecology/anti-pollution/Save the Earth message of HAIR 
('Air', Woof's plantings, the brave o'erhanging firmament of 'What a 
Piece of work', the Snow Scenes, and still more) is a thread that runs 
through both acts. HAIR is still the only Bway musical ever to touch on 
the environment. There are no rules to bend here. 

Thanks for sharing these!

Love,
Bill
From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Jun 26 12:41:57 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Jun 26 12:42:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Here comes the Javelina!
In-Reply-To: <251670-220056026174440765@M2W048.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BEE45315.21339%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Hey Dagmar,
What a critter!
Thanks a lot
Peace and love,
Michael

> Hi Robin
> 
> Thanks for your message,
> (and Richard, thanks for yours too - I'd love to shoot HAIR again, one of
> these days...)
> 
> here is the 'requested' photo, actually  I'm sending TWO -
> bending the rules  a bit...
> 
> BUT IT IS HAIRY!!!!
> 
> ;-))
> 
> Hugs
> Dagmar
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Robin McNamara olhippie@tampabay.rr.com
> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:03:52 -0400
> To: fotoblue@flash.net, mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...
> 
> 
> Dagmar
> 
> I totally agree with you, this list is first & formost a list about Hair
> but 
> Hair was & is about world events i.e. Viet Nam & the ignorence & maddness
> of 
> war in general among many other things. Please tribe never hesitate to
> express yourself with whatever is on your mind whether it be Hair or Civic
> or maybe just a personal problem you might be having we are all friends
> here.Dagmar please send the picture of the Javelina to the list I would
> love 
> to see it. :)
> 
> Love forever
> Robin
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <fotoblue@flash.net>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...
> 
> 
>> Good Sunday morning,  Michael,
>> 
>> We should not be limited to political and purely HAIR related topics here.
>> Are we not all multi-facetted people?
>> With many interests - and a "love and devotion" to HAIR?
>> 
>> I have sent photos I wanted to share, and probably some responses and
>> ideas
>> not
>> entirely "hairy" - so what?
>> I like to hear about  personal stuff going on in our tribes, it brings us
>> all closer.
>> 
>> not every message interests me, of course, so I skip across it.
>> 
>> Lighten up, Tioga Joe. As you saw from my response to Gerald,
>> I didn't agree with all that was suggested in his message,
>> but I would not tell him NOT to send something he finds interesting.
>> 
>> I would have attached a photo I took yesterday of a young Javelina
>> sitting in our birdbath
>> (a much too small bathtub for it!)  -
>> but maybe I'll just send it to a few people directly.
>> 
>> (Nina: it's coming!)
>> 
>> Our temps have been above 100F, so animal behaviour gets modified.
>> Maybe it's the summer heat that makes some of us more irritable than we
>> usually are
>> 
>> Love and peace
>> 
>> Dagmar
>> 
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
>> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:54:30 -0700
>> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
>> 
>> 
>> Sorry to be so long in responding. I am responsible for sending Gerald's
>> stuff.
>> There has been so little Hair centric activity since the days of Pentacle
>> and WMH I wonder if it is worth the cost?
>> Most political stuff now goes to Civic. It was started in response to
>> Shaw's
>> flame out. Occasionally I do post something about our political scene.
>> I am sorry but I got into Hair because of politics in  a time when it was
>> child's play compared to today.
>> So let us hope we again see some theatrical use of this list.
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Gerald, Gerald,
>>> 
>>> "Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful
>> stuff
>>> ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the
>> mailboxes of
>>> your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not
>>> further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about
>> and
>>> discussing things HAIR?
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in
>> expressing my
>>> dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter
>> how
>>> "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes
>>> me
>>> (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association --
>> because
>>> the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a
>> place
>>> just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better
>>> housekeeping, it loses its credibility.
>>> 
>>> Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have,
>>> because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of
>> Bounce!
>>> : )
>>> 
>>> Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant.
>>> Gerald
>>> Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.
>>> 
>>> Wearily,
>>> 
>>> Tioga Joe
>>> 
>>> ====================
>>> 
>>> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
>>> From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
>>> 
>>> Bounce this around!
>>> 
>>> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
>>> 
>>> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
>>> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
>>> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
>>> yellow jackets away.
>>> 
>>> [ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]
>>> 
>>> ======================
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Mb-hair mailing list
>>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail2web.com/ .
> 
> 
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> 

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Jun 26 12:45:29 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Jun 26 12:45:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV18D492133D535E3ABDB20DABEF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BEE453E9.2133B%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Except I don't recall it running 6 months at Joe's
But time flies. I'll bet Nina can sort it out.
XO Michael

> As I opened my local Doylestown, PA paper today look what was on the first
> page of the "Life" section as a Headline...
> 
> "Famous Firsts"
> 
> After six months at the off-Broadway New York Shakespeare Festival Theatre.
> "HAiR" opened  at the Biltmore Theatre in New York in 1968. It was the first
> rock-musical to play on the Great White Way.
> 
> WoW!
> 
> peace,
> barbara
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Jun 26 13:26:21 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Jun 26 13:26:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...
In-Reply-To: <21940-220056026141651171@M2W110.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BEE45D7D.21345%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Same here, Dagmar,

Sun is out and I am listening to 3 hours of Beatles. We have a college
station nearby which every Sunday give us such a feast. Even Ringo singing a
song of John Lennon.

I miss the Hair theatrical discussions when Randy and others were holding
forth and really responding to questions and points brought up by various
friends. For instance Richard recently suggested to Katie to hit the
colleges. No one had mentioned that earlier

But friends are where it is at and I enjoy reading the personal messages of
those I have not seen as often as I like. It is so nice for the List to be
used as a bulletin board. I must say that long winded personal exchanges are
better privately off list.

It is nice to read Tioga Joe's ruminations about veterans. I hope I am not
offending when I bring political items to the List. I know if you are into
current affairs Civic List is the best. Frequently something is so important
I feel I should post it to Hair, the most political of musicals in this day
of moribund media.

Finally with all the spam we all have to tolerate, I can put up within the
hundred or so emails I receive daily some extraneous messages to cheer my
day.

Peace and Love,
Michael


> Good Sunday morning,  Michael,
> 
> We should not be limited to political and purely HAIR related topics here.
> Are we not all multi-facetted people?
> With many interests - and a "love and devotion" to HAIR?
> 
> I have sent photos I wanted to share, and probably some responses and ideas
> not 
> entirely "hairy" - so what?
> I like to hear about  personal stuff going on in our tribes, it brings us
> all closer.
> 
> not every message interests me, of course, so I skip across it.
> 
> Lighten up, Tioga Joe. As you saw from my response to Gerald,
> I didn't agree with all that was suggested in his message,
> but I would not tell him NOT to send something he finds interesting.
> 
> I would have attached a photo I took yesterday of a young Javelina
> sitting in our birdbath
> (a much too small bathtub for it!)  -
> but maybe I'll just send it to a few people directly.
> 
> (Nina: it's coming!)
> 
> Our temps have been above 100F, so animal behavior gets modified.
> Maybe it's the summer heat that makes some of us more irritable than we
> usually are
> 
> Love and peace
> 
> Dagmar
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:54:30 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
> 
> 
> Sorry to be so long in responding. I am responsible for sending Gerald's
> stuff.
> There has been so little Hair centric activity since the days of Pentacle
> and WMH I wonder if it is worth the cost?
> Most political stuff now goes to Civic. It was started in response to Shaw's
> flame out. Occasionally I do post something about our political scene.
> I am sorry but I got into Hair because of politics in  a time when it was
> child's play compared to today.
> So let us hope we again see some theatrical use of this list.
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
>> Gerald, Gerald,
>> 
>> "Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful
> stuff
>> ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the
> mailboxes of
>> your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not
>> further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about
> and
>> discussing things HAIR?
>> 
>> I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in
> expressing my
>> dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter
> how
>> "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes me
>> (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association --
> because
>> the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a
> place
>> just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better
>> housekeeping, it loses its credibility.
>> 
>> Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have,
>> because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of
> Bounce!
>> : )
>> 
>> Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant.  Gerald
>> Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.
>> 
>> Wearily,
>> 
>> Tioga Joe
>> 
>> ====================
>> 
>> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
>> 
>> Bounce this around!
>> 
>> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
>> 
>> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
>> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
>> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
>> yellow jackets away.
>> 
>> [ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]
>> 
>> ======================
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> http://mail2web.com/ .
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 26 13:45:42 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sun Jun 26 13:46:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts
In-Reply-To: <BEE453E9.2133B%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F36119DE9312CDF829EBD9CB2EF0@phx.gbl>

Not six months at the Public, but roughly six months between first preview 
at the Public Theater and opening on Broadway:

First preview at the Public Theater: October 17, 1967
Opening night at the Public: October 29 or 30, 1967 (probably the latter)
Closed at the Public: sometimes in December 1967
Cheetah Production: January 1968
Opened on BRoadway: April 29, 1968

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html



>From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
>Reply-To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts
>Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:45:29 -0700
>
>Except I don't recall it running 6 months at Joe's
>But time flies. I'll bet Nina can sort it out.
>XO Michael
>
> > As I opened my local Doylestown, PA paper today look what was on the 
>first
> > page of the "Life" section as a Headline...
> >
> > "Famous Firsts"
> >
> > After six months at the off-Broadway New York Shakespeare Festival 
>Theatre.
> > "HAiR" opened  at the Biltmore Theatre in New York in 1968. It was the 
>first
> > rock-musical to play on the Great White Way.
> >
> > WoW!
> >
> > peace,
> > barbara
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
>_______________________________________________
>Mb-hair mailing list
>Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair


From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 26 14:02:01 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Sun Jun 26 14:02:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
In-Reply-To: <008201c579cc$cd723370$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2607A0A50996611E043D99ADEF0@phx.gbl>

Hey Richard~ I went to School of the Arts (Winston-Salem) during High School 
and to Chapel Hill for Undergrad! :)
Those might be my next targets.
Thank you!

Peace,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 26 14:05:32 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sun Jun 26 14:05:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2949FFE280D0021B9D0FAFB2EF0@phx.gbl>

Hi all -

The recent talk about on and off topic subjects led Michael and I to a 
discussion earlier today about what should, or shouldn't, be talked about 
here. What the purpose of the list is, or should be. The FAQ has info about 
how to talk to each other, but not really about what to talk about. It 
states in the first line “The Mb-Hair list is an email mailing list for the 
purpose of discussing Hair, its politics, messages, and other related 
subjects” which is pretty vague.

As is always the case with anything Hair we came back to the fact that we 
needed to know what the Tribe wanted this space to be, so I am asking you 
all to let me know, either here or at dayton3@rcn.com what they think the 
rules, if any, regarding what should be considered on topic here should be. 
It seemed to us that there are two factions – one which would like the list 
to be purely for discussion of  Hair, and perhaps some related subjects such 
as theatre or the politics of Hair. The other sees this more as a communal 
living room where The Tribe hangs out, and anything someone felt like 
discussing would be OK. Let me be really clear here - neither of these 
positions are wrong, just different, and we would like to know where people 
stand on these positions, and what they would like this list to be.

Some of you have already spoken on this issue – Sib, Dagmar, Robin, Michael, 
and Bill. Please feel free to speak up again if you feel so moved, but if 
not I think I understand your “vote” already. The rest of you – I would like 
to know. I look forward to hearing from you all - even the lurkers, please! 
If you prefer privacy email me at dayton3@rcn.com, but there are almost 70 
of us here whether we all speak out or not, and I would truly like to have a 
sense of what the majority wants, so lurkers – please de-lurk briefly or 
privately.

My vote falls towards the livingroom side, with a heavy dose of the Hair 
side included - I loved the Hair discussions on the old Hair list, and would 
very much love to see many more of those here, but I also love the chance to 
feel in touch with good friends, hear what they find interesting outside of 
Hair, and about what's going on in their lives. I love it when Dagmar shares 
her photos or Robin tells us about a gig he played, or Michael or Jim or 
Richard discuss theatre. I guess, as Bill said, Hair is about so many things 
that we can stretch most things into the fabric.

Just my 2 cents. I very much look forward to hearing all of yours!
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 26 14:18:37 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Sun Jun 26 14:18:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: No Black Actors
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV1623052442B95291EDF32DABEF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F1A90341FEF376BCAFCC3CADEF0@phx.gbl>

Hi Barbara and Bill~

My gut has said the same thing all along.  I'm trying to find the line 
between creative compromise so the show can go on vs. being bull-headed 
about my vision and the purity of the show (which I hold dear as well).  
Fantastic journey.  Thank you so much for being there!

Love,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Jun 26 14:18:48 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun 26 14:19:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
References: <BAY104-F2607A0A50996611E043D99ADEF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001401c57a94$a4d6b490$6e436c42@hotprojects>

GOOD GOOD LUCK KATIE
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors


> Hey Richard~ I went to School of the Arts (Winston-Salem) during High
School
> and to Chapel Hill for Undergrad! :)
> Those might be my next targets.
> Thank you!
>
> Peace,
> Katie
>
>
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Jun 26 14:19:54 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun 26 14:20:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
References: <BAY104-F2949FFE280D0021B9D0FAFB2EF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001b01c57a94$cbdc7b60$6e436c42@hotprojects>

thats a lovely letter nina thank you
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:05 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic


> Hi all -
>
> The recent talk about on and off topic subjects led Michael and I to a
> discussion earlier today about what should, or shouldn't, be talked about
> here. What the purpose of the list is, or should be. The FAQ has info
about
> how to talk to each other, but not really about what to talk about. It
> states in the first line "The Mb-Hair list is an email mailing list for
the
> purpose of discussing Hair, its politics, messages, and other related
> subjects" which is pretty vague.
>
> As is always the case with anything Hair we came back to the fact that we
> needed to know what the Tribe wanted this space to be, so I am asking you
> all to let me know, either here or at dayton3@rcn.com what they think the
> rules, if any, regarding what should be considered on topic here should
be.
> It seemed to us that there are two factions - one which would like the
list
> to be purely for discussion of  Hair, and perhaps some related subjects
such
> as theatre or the politics of Hair. The other sees this more as a communal
> living room where The Tribe hangs out, and anything someone felt like
> discussing would be OK. Let me be really clear here - neither of these
> positions are wrong, just different, and we would like to know where
people
> stand on these positions, and what they would like this list to be.
>
> Some of you have already spoken on this issue - Sib, Dagmar, Robin,
Michael,
> and Bill. Please feel free to speak up again if you feel so moved, but if
> not I think I understand your "vote" already. The rest of you - I would
like
> to know. I look forward to hearing from you all - even the lurkers,
please!
> If you prefer privacy email me at dayton3@rcn.com, but there are almost 70
> of us here whether we all speak out or not, and I would truly like to have
a
> sense of what the majority wants, so lurkers - please de-lurk briefly or
> privately.
>
> My vote falls towards the livingroom side, with a heavy dose of the Hair
> side included - I loved the Hair discussions on the old Hair list, and
would
> very much love to see many more of those here, but I also love the chance
to
> feel in touch with good friends, hear what they find interesting outside
of
> Hair, and about what's going on in their lives. I love it when Dagmar
shares
> her photos or Robin tells us about a gig he played, or Michael or Jim or
> Richard discuss theatre. I guess, as Bill said, Hair is about so many
things
> that we can stretch most things into the fabric.
>
> Just my 2 cents. I very much look forward to hearing all of yours!
> Love,
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 26 14:27:37 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Sun Jun 26 14:27:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Merci
In-Reply-To: <001401c57a94$a4d6b490$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F39809BB7D143094CD92527ADEF0@phx.gbl>

Thank you Richard!!!!!

Wheeeeeeeeee!
(that's me sliding down the banister of convention)
Peace.
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From swiggard at comcast.net  Sun Jun 26 14:32:28 2005
From: swiggard at comcast.net (William Swiggard)
Date: Sun Jun 26 14:33:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topic versus Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F2949FFE280D0021B9D0FAFB2EF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F2949FFE280D0021B9D0FAFB2EF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42BF1EEC.60502@comcast.net>

Hey Nina -

Just to make my vote clear:  I vote for Living Room with a hefty dose of 
HAIR-related discussion.

I totally agree with your analysis of why:  it's a place to find one 
another - We Who Have Been Changed by HAIR - and to keep connected, and 
also the world's Only Place to talk about all the topics pertaining to 
HAIR - hopefully sharing insights gleaned from the thousands of 
performances we as a group have taken part in, all over the world. And 
all the years we have lived carrying the AIR flame in our hearts and 
minds.  I also agree that the list would be more fun and more valuable 
with a few more HAIR discussions. So let's get discussin'!

Peace, Love, Freedom, Happiness -

Bill

>
From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Jun 26 14:37:14 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Jun 26 14:37:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topic versus Off Topic
References: <BAY104-F2949FFE280D0021B9D0FAFB2EF0@phx.gbl>
	<42BF1EEC.60502@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <003001c57a97$380502b0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

that is true
i have been changed by HAIR
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "William Swiggard" <swiggard@comcast.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] On topic versus Off Topic


> Hey Nina -
> 
> Just to make my vote clear:  I vote for Living Room with a hefty dose of 
> HAIR-related discussion.
> 
> I totally agree with your analysis of why:  it's a place to find one 
> another - We Who Have Been Changed by HAIR - and to keep connected, and 
> also the world's Only Place to talk about all the topics pertaining to 
> HAIR - hopefully sharing insights gleaned from the thousands of 
> performances we as a group have taken part in, all over the world. And 
> all the years we have lived carrying the AIR flame in our hearts and 
> minds.  I also agree that the list would be more fun and more valuable 
> with a few more HAIR discussions. So let's get discussin'!
> 
> Peace, Love, Freedom, Happiness -
> 
> Bill
> 
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 26 17:09:55 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sun Jun 26 17:10:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Debbie Andrews performance NYC
Message-ID: <BAY104-F8DD626698215409F34F84B2EE0@phx.gbl>

Hi folks,

For anyone in the New York area this Wednesday, June 29th at 2:30, the lists 
own Debbie Andrews' (Crissy - Detroit, Jupiter tour, DC. & Bway - '70 -'71) 
band Gladshot will perform for a "LIVE 8" free concert at Virgin Megastore 
at Union Square in NYC (14th St and Bway).

It's an all day concert for Bob Geldof's ONE campaign to fight global 
poverty and AIDS.  Mark Knopfler plays at 6, Michelle Shocked at 5, Debbie 
w/Gladshot...2:30 - Other bands are Heavenly States, Head Automatica, The 
Swedes, Outernational and Trouble Dolls - Music starts at 1 pm.

Virgin Group is working with Bob Geldof and the Make Poverty History 
Campaign to help to give additional voice to the initiative to end World 
poverty.  As part of Virgin's effort of support, they're working to 
highlight the One Campaign in the U.S. with the intention of letting 
everyone know how they can contribute their support and make a difference.

For more information chack out Gladshot/Debbie Andrews' web page at:

http://www.gladshot.com

Wish I could be there! Debbie please tell us how it goes, and anyone in the 
area check it out and fill us in! Break a leg Debbie!
Love,
Nina

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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Jun 26 17:32:23 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sun Jun 26 17:32:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Debbie Andrews performance NYC
References: <BAY104-F8DD626698215409F34F84B2EE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001201c57aaf$b013a4b0$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Hey Debbie

I just went to your website & listened to "Pink Sky" & "Resurrection" what 
wonderful material, never stop rockin' & all the best for you guys on Jan 29 
:)

Love forever
Robin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Debbie Andrews performance NYC


> Hi folks,
>
> For anyone in the New York area this Wednesday, June 29th at 2:30, the 
> lists own Debbie Andrews' (Crissy - Detroit, Jupiter tour, DC. & Bway - 
> '70 -'71) band Gladshot will perform for a "LIVE 8" free concert at Virgin 
> Megastore at Union Square in NYC (14th St and Bway).
>
> It's an all day concert for Bob Geldof's ONE campaign to fight global 
> poverty and AIDS.  Mark Knopfler plays at 6, Michelle Shocked at 5, Debbie 
> w/Gladshot...2:30 - Other bands are Heavenly States, Head Automatica, The 
> Swedes, Outernational and Trouble Dolls - Music starts at 1 pm.
>
> Virgin Group is working with Bob Geldof and the Make Poverty History 
> Campaign to help to give additional voice to the initiative to end World 
> poverty.  As part of Virgin's effort of support, they're working to 
> highlight the One Campaign in the U.S. with the intention of letting 
> everyone know how they can contribute their support and make a difference.
>
> For more information chack out Gladshot/Debbie Andrews' web page at:
>
> http://www.gladshot.com
>
> Wish I could be there! Debbie please tell us how it goes, and anyone in 
> the area check it out and fill us in! Break a leg Debbie!
> Love,
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Jun 26 17:55:20 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Jun 26 17:55:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Debbie CD
Message-ID: <BEE49C88.2136E%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Debbie, 
Real good, just as sweet as you.
Thanks for the listen.
Have a good concert.
Peace and Love,
Michael

From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 26 21:20:28 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Sun Jun 26 21:20:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topic versus Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <003001c57a97$380502b0$6e436c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F29D2B8A648B7BDE63156B5ADEE0@phx.gbl>

I'm all for a HAIRy livingroom.

Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend.
Peace,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From bev at beverlybremers.com  Sun Jun 26 23:15:00 2005
From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Sun Jun 26 23:15:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
Message-ID: <20050627061500.D17C42F9BF@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Hey all - My 2 cents: I think anything related to anybody on this list is
pertinent, be it directly about HAIR or about the activities or thoughts
of someone related to HAIR.

My only pet peeve is when people send little comments like "Great!" or
little jokes that are of no significance to the preceding messages. It
creates waaay too many messages back and forth. I have about 900 messages
in my mailbox right now - oy!

Beverly

----- Original Message -----
From: "Little Birdie"
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:05:32 +0000

>
> Hi all -
>
> The recent talk about on and off topic subjects led Michael and I to a
> discussion earlier today about what should, or shouldn't, be talked
about
> here. What the purpose of the list is, or should be. The FAQ has info
about
> how to talk to each other, but not really about what to talk about. It
states
> in the first line The Mb-Hair list is an email mailing list for the
purpose
> of discussing Hair, its politics, messages, and other related subjects
which
> is pretty vague.
>
> As is always the case with anything Hair we came back to the fact that
we
> needed to know what the Tribe wanted this space to be, so I am asking
you all
> to let me know, either here or at dayton3@rcn.com what they think the
rules,
> if any, regarding what should be considered on topic here should be. It
seemed
> to us that there are two factions  one which would like the list to be
purely
> for discussion of Hair, and perhaps some related subjects such as
theatre or
> the politics of Hair. The other sees this more as a communal living
room where
> The Tribe hangs out, and anything someone felt like discussing would be
OK.
> Let me be really clear here - neither of these positions are wrong,
just
> different, and we would like to know where people stand on these
positions,
> and what they would like this list to be.
>
> Some of you have already spoken on this issue  Sib, Dagmar, Robin,
Michael,
> and Bill. Please feel free to speak up again if you feel so moved, but
if not
> I think I understand your vote already. The rest of you  I would
like to
> know. I look forward to hearing from you all - even the lurkers,
please! If
> you prefer privacy email me at dayton3@rcn.com, but there are almost 70
of us
> here whether we all speak out or not, and I would truly like to have a
sense
> of what the majority wants, so lurkers  please de-lurk briefly or
privately.
>
> My vote falls towards the livingroom side, with a heavy dose of the
Hair side
> included - I loved the Hair discussions on the old Hair list, and would
very
> much love to see many more of those here, but I also love the chance to
feel
> in touch with good friends, hear what they find interesting outside of
Hair,
> and about what's going on in their lives. I love it when Dagmar shares
her
> photos or Robin tells us about a gig he played, or Michael or Jim or
Richard
> discuss theatre. I guess, as Bill said, Hair is about so many things
that we
> can stretch most things into the fabric.
>
> Just my 2 cents. I very much look forward to hearing all of yours!
> Love,
> Nina
>
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From nycrjmac at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 05:55:30 2005
From: nycrjmac at yahoo.com (RJ Mac)
Date: Mon Jun 27 05:55:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <20050627061500.D17C42F9BF@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20050627125530.10547.qmail@web84014.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree with Michael that the list has been most
interesting while productions of HAIR are being put up
and the support and contribution of the list sharing
their personal experience and histories.

Yes, I'd appreciate focused discussions.  I've tried
to start a few, with no great response.  

All the same, I think the list is what it is, and
monitoring the content in ANY way only means
restricting it.  Which is a certain way to deaden it.

After all, the show is more than 35 years old: we're
living in very strange and very interesting times. 
Memories sancitified will bring old age and
feebleness; memories put to use in the present moment
are live and will regenerate.

rj

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Jun 27 09:44:47 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Jun 27 09:45:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <20050627125530.10547.qmail@web84014.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEE57B0F.213AD%michael@michaelbutler.com>

RJ

Right on, glad for the regeneration.
You have given me an idea.
We are enjoying a nice relationship with Sargent Aborn at Tams.
I am going to ask Nina if she will suggest from all of us that they give us
an email contact with new productions so we can offer to them any
assistance.

Michael
--Those who have experienced altered forms of consciousness, by whatever
means, never forget that space in which they have been. Now that they have
learned how to function within the system, it is time they act to run it. MB




> I agree with Michael that the list has been most
> interesting while productions of HAIR are being put up
> and the support and contribution of the list sharing
> their personal experience and histories.
> 
> Yes, I'd appreciate focused discussions.  I've tried
> to start a few, with no great response.
> 
> All the same, I think the list is what it is, and
> monitoring the content in ANY way only means
> restricting it.  Which is a certain way to deaden it.
> 
> After all, the show is more than 35 years old: we're
> living in very strange and very interesting times.
> Memories sancitified will bring old age and
> feebleness; memories put to use in the present moment
> are live and will regenerate.
> 
> rj
> 
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Jun 27 10:45:56 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Jun 27 10:46:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV55DBF27A1FCBDBD067550ABEE0@phx.gbl>

I should e-mail the person who wrote this article if I can once again find the paper and ask where they got this info.

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Butler
Sent: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 12:45:29 -0700
To: HAIR List
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Famous Firsts

Except I don't recall it running 6 months at Joe's
But time flies. I'll bet Nina can sort it out.
XO Michael

> As I opened my local Doylestown, PA paper today look what was on the first
> page of the "Life" section as a Headline...
> 
> "Famous Firsts"
> 
> After six months at the off-Broadway New York Shakespeare Festival Theatre.
> "HAiR" opened  at the Biltmore Theatre in New York in 1968. It was the first
> rock-musical to play on the Great White Way.
> 
> WoW!
> 
> peace,
> barbara
> 
> 
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From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 11:32:32 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:32:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <20050627061500.D17C42F9BF@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <20050627183232.92764.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com>


  Hey I totally agree with what Nina says and will include it below.
  However,I would like to say that when responses are sent I'd love it if they were done
in a more intelligent way if not a more humorous one.I am only referring to the long
redundant string of other emails that often comes attached to every Hello and/or relevant
question.Now I am no Techno-guy but even I can cut and paste without all that extra stuff
coming along for a ride.I love thinking that 60-70 like-minded people may be reading
this.Thanx XOXOX M

Michael David Arian 
michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com
"If you can't say something nice about someone, sit by me."




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From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 27 11:39:22 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:39:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <20050627183232.92764.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050627183923.95203.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com>


I forgot to include this paragraph.M

--- Michael Arian <michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
>   Hey I totally agree with what Nina says and will include it below.
>   However,I would like to say that when responses are sent I'd love it if they were
> done
> in a more intelligent way if not a more humorous one.I am only referring to the long
> redundant string of other emails that often comes attached to every Hello and/or
> relevant
> question.Now I am no Techno-guy but even I can cut and paste without all that extra
> stuff
> coming along for a ride.I love thinking that 60-70 like-minded people may be reading
> this.Thanx XOXOX M
>  

> My vote falls towards the livingroom side, with a heavy dose of the
> Hair side
> > included - I loved the Hair discussions on the old Hair list, and would
> very
> > much love to see many more of those here, but I also love the chance to
> feel
> > in touch with good friends, hear what they find interesting outside of
> Hair,
> > and about what's going on in their lives. I love it when Dagmar shares
> her
> > photos or Robin tells us about a gig he played, or Michael or Jim or
> Richard
> > discuss theatre. I guess, as Bill said, Hair is about so many things
> that we
> > can stretch most things into the fabric.
> >




> Michael David Arian 
> michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com
> "If you can't say something nice about someone, sit by me."
> 
> 
> 
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Mon Jun 27 11:58:26 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Mon Jun 27 11:58:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
References: <20050627183232.92764.qmail@web50306.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c57b4a$33606980$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Hi Michael


I totally concur, Corrine has brought this up in the past thanks for your 
input.

Love forever
Robin


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Arian" <michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic


>
>  Hey I totally agree with what Nina says and will include it below.
>  However,I would like to say that when responses are sent I'd love it if 
> they were done
> in a more intelligent way if not a more humorous one.I am only referring 
> to the long
> redundant string of other emails that often comes attached to every Hello 
> and/or relevant
> question.Now I am no Techno-guy but even I can cut and paste without all 
> that extra stuff
> coming along for a ride.I love thinking that 60-70 like-minded people may 
> be reading
> this.Thanx XOXOX M
>
> Michael David Arian
> michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com
> "If you can't say something nice about someone, sit by me."
>
>
>
>
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From wmichaelharris at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 27 17:39:34 2005
From: wmichaelharris at earthlink.net (Walter Michael Harris)
Date: Mon Jun 27 17:40:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR: Theater of the Ridiculous
Message-ID: <42C09C46.2080408@earthlink.net>

Hello y'all - In response to MB's request for more theatrical use of the 
list (and tossing in some political context), I offer the following that 
was forwarded by my wife today from a very reliable local news source:

****

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:33 PM

Subject: Our leader

The President explains the virtues of his Social Security plan (to a 
PICKED audience, mind you!) in Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is the new [Social 
Security] plan going to fix that problem?

VERBATIM RESPONSE FROM PRESIDENT BUSH:

"Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost 
drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on 
the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or 
price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being 
considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, 
affecting those ? changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to 
get what has been promised more likely to be --or closer delivered to 
that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of 
muddled.

Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, 
benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to 
the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the 
benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. 
There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into 
effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised 
benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on 
the red."

****

CRAZY FOR THE BLUE, WHITE and RED,

wmh

From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Mon Jun 27 19:47:04 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Mon Jun 27 19:47:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
References: <200506271900.j5RJ09vL008201@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c57b8b$aa9047a0$6401a8c0@Leo>

>From the school of redundancy department - but it is also my belief. HAIR is 
absolutley relevant on so many levels that's it's tough to say what is and 
what isn't "on topic". I betcha I could make a case for just about any 
topic. I certainly don't mind the political messages. Some I read; others I 
don't; it's amazing how I can do that! I also dig the cozy living room scene 
as it has been a blast for me to meet other HAIR freaks in a comfortable 
setting. And I also like the sharing of news, pictures, etc. The list is 
most righteous though when we get down to the actual discussions of HAIR. 
That's what brought me to the old Jabberwocky list and morphed me onto this 
list.
Ok, here's my dislikes. Spam or any form of it (eg. send this to 10 people 
and..........). And I too agree with Michael A and Corrine about the copy & 
paste gig. I'm on digest so it gets really freaky when one message entails 
half of the email cuz I have to reread 10 posts that were attached to that 
particular digest. This happens when you just hit "reply". This is probably 
my biggest pet peeve. I hit "reply" but then delete all the stuff that isn't 
pertinent to what I'm responding to.
So it looks like I'm with the HAIR/living room faction. Just don't serve me 
spam sandwiches in the living room.

PEACE,
Leo

 From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
 Hi all -


 As is always the case with anything Hair we came back to the fact that we 
needed to know what the Tribe wanted this space to be, so I am asking you 
all to let me know, either here or at dayton3@rcn.com what they think the 
rules, if any, regarding what should be considered on topic here should be. 
It seemed to us that there are two factions - one which would like the list 
to be purely for discussion of  Hair, and perhaps some related subjects such 
as theatre or the politics of Hair. The other sees this more as a communal 
living room where The Tribe hangs out, and anything someone felt like 
discussing would be OK. Let me be really clear here - neither of these 
positions are wrong, just different, and we would like to know where people 
stand on these positions, and what they would like this list to be.


From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 27 19:58:36 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Mon Jun 27 19:59:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR: Theater of the Ridiculous
In-Reply-To: <42C09C46.2080408@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F17EA0E0027A8BEC39BCBC2ADE10@phx.gbl>

Exactly! Like the proposed ban on Flag burning...I love the fact that for a 
flag past it's prime,
the official protocol says To BURN IT.   - i just got a fortune cookie that 
says, "the heart is wiser than the intellect"- must be so.

BUT- what I really want to tell you all is- THE COOLEST THING HAPPENED 
TONIGHT!!!

We were in rehearsal and one of the cast members came in late...and brought 
with him a black man-and everyone burst into spontaneous applause!  really 
genuine too.  i don't think he quite knew what to do with that.  it was 
awesome.  He is too old (and big) to play Hud, but he's a theatre guy and 
has a fantastic vibe.

AND- a friend of my mom's gave me the number of Daddy Watts, a VERY 
connected black gentleman in town.  He was so nice~ he invited me to brunch 
at his house on Saturday, and he said there would be many people there I 
would be interested in talking to!!!

and  i have a meeting with a local youth center, plus talked to our local 
NAACP chapter, and was told to submit a request in writing.

Wouldn't it be sooo cool if we could all get outside of ourselves and bust 
open some communication lines?

I guess I'm a little excited.
everyone is beautiful.

Love,
Katie

ALOHA NUI LOA!


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Jun 27 22:55:42 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Jun 28 05:30:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Our Larger Middle Eastern Problem
Message-ID: <BEE6346E.21460%michael@michaelbutler.com>


Michael Butler's Blog

http://www.michaelbutler.com/mbblog.html


From fotoblue at flash.net  Tue Jun 28 09:52:22 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Tue Jun 28 09:53:08 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR: Theater of the Ridiculous
Message-ID: <225670-220056228165222626@M2W047.mail2web.com>

IT'S JUST MINDBOGGLING!!!

Since I'm not an American by birth, I'm usually careful not to voice too
many political 
opinions, for fear of offending people. 

But I have to agree with Walter M, 
it's all a fascinating play!

As to the lead actor, he can read his lines OK, but when he has to write
his own.... 
How could anybody seriously think that there is intelligence there?

Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Walter Michael Harris wmichaelharris@earthlink.net
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 17:39:34 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR: Theater of the Ridiculous


Hello y'all - In response to MB's request for more theatrical use of the 
list (and tossing in some political context), I offer the following that 
was forwarded by my wife today from a very reliable local news source:

****

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:33 PM

Subject: Our leader

The President explains the virtues of his Social Security plan (to a 
PICKED audience, mind you!) in Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is the new [Social 
Security] plan going to fix that problem?

VERBATIM RESPONSE FROM PRESIDENT BUSH:

"Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost 
drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on 
the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or 
price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being 
considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, 
affecting those ? changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to 
get what has been promised more likely to be --or closer delivered to 
that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of 
muddled.

Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, 
benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to 
the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the 
benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases. 
There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into 
effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised 
benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on 
the red."

****

CRAZY FOR THE BLUE, WHITE and RED,

wmh

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Tue Jun 28 11:31:04 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Jun 28 11:31:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR: Theater of the Ridiculous
In-Reply-To: <42C09C46.2080408@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BEE6E578.214C8%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Truly brilliant and so easily understood.
How would Tom O'Horgan direct such a scene?
Thanks to Patty
XO Michael
-- Perception is Everything



> Hello y'all - In response to MB's request for more theatrical use of the
> list (and tossing in some political context), I offer the following that
> was forwarded by my wife today from a very reliable local news source:
> 
> ****
> 
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 12:33 PM
> 
> Subject: Our leader
> 
> The President explains the virtues of his Social Security plan (to a
> PICKED audience, mind you!) in Tampa, FL, Feb. 4, 2005.
> 
> WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: I don't really understand. How is the new [Social
> Security] plan going to fix that problem?
> 
> VERBATIM RESPONSE FROM PRESIDENT BUSH:
> 
> "Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost
> drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on
> the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or
> price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being
> considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers,
> affecting those ? changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to
> get what has been promised more likely to be --or closer delivered to
> that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of
> muddled.
> 
> Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example,
> benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to
> the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the
> benefits will rise based upon inflation, as opposed to wage increases.
> There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into
> effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised
> benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on
> the red."
> 
> ****
> 
> CRAZY FOR THE BLUE, WHITE and RED,
> 
> wmh
> 
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Tue Jun 28 12:21:32 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Tue Jun 28 12:22:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 12, Issue 35
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Tue, 28 Jun 2005
	12:00:12 -0700
Message-ID: <21006-42C1A33C-6983@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>


I wonder if Bush and his ilk remember the words of Shakespeare's
Claudius: 

"Words without thoughts never do heaven go." 

Jim Burns 

From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Tue Jun 28 12:56:32 2005
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 12:57:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A few things..... (off-topic, kinda)
Message-ID: <200.4857168.2ff30570@aol.com>

Ok, well I'm still not getting any digests or posts from the HAIR list.... I 
think it is the AOL. I'm planning on switching my subscription to my yahoo 
address. Nina, how do I do that again? 

However, I'll switch in a few weeks because I'm going to Italy from Wed. 6/29 
- Fri. 7/8  (yea!:) So I'll repond to anything after that time (although I 
may have time to check on Wednesday morning). 

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From LilacAmy11 at aol.com  Tue Jun 28 12:57:40 2005
From: LilacAmy11 at aol.com (LilacAmy11@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 28 12:58:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Collectors broadway CD!
Message-ID: <1f3.c98e36b.2ff305b4@aol.com>

Since I haven't been getting posts, I don't know if this was mentioned but I 
was CD shopping in Barnes and Nobels yesterday and came across a double CD of 
HAIR that is the original broadway cast and the original off broadway cast 
along with some interviews.... very cool:)

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. 
cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the 
musical)
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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 28 13:44:51 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Tue Jun 28 13:45:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR: Theater of the Ridiculous
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 28 15:37:52 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Tue Jun 28 15:38:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A few things..... (off-topic, kinda)
In-Reply-To: <200.4857168.2ff30570@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F257F989839E0FB2D78B1A2B2E10@phx.gbl>

Hi Amy,

Go to: http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair and 
unsubscribe from the list. Then subscribe at your new address. You should, 
you may recall, get a confirmation email after subscribing, which you must 
respond to in order to be subscibed. You will then get a welcome email.

If you have any difficulties email me and I can take care of it for you.

Have a fabulous time in Italy!
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Tue Jun 28 15:47:23 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Tue Jun 28 15:47:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: HAIR: Theater of the Ridiculous
References: <200506281900.j5SJ0C6l011377@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <002401c57c33$592fac40$6401a8c0@Leo>

Exactly correct Dagmar and I can only say, in response to your question, the 
following:  "Not knowing I refrained from saying the desired information 
cannot be obtained from this source!"

PEACE,
Leo

 From: "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>
 Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] HAIR: Theater of the Ridiculous

............................. As to the lead actor, he can read his lines 
OK, but when he has to write his own....
...................... How could anybody seriously think that there is 
intelligence there?...................................

 Dagmar


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Date: Tue Jun 28 19:20:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] 06.28.2005 Late Breaking News
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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 28 20:58:13 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Tue Jun 28 20:58:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Less than kind
In-Reply-To: <21006-42C1A33C-6983@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F33578BA414CC821F92D4B2ADE00@phx.gbl>

oh god, and our country was Hamlet...not doing him in in 2004 because of 
those words with no thoughts...

Something's rotten in Crawford...

k


From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Wed Jun 29 12:17:22 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Wed Jun 29 12:18:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Iran
Message-ID: <002b01c57cdf$2df920e0$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Hi Michael

I ment to respond to this e-mail (below) that you sent to the Hair list a few days ago but I inadvertently deleted it so I went back into the archives & got it. Your blog on Iran is right on. This this new president elect is more hard line than one can imagine. I understand that he was one of  Khomani's liaisons when they held the hostages & one of the first things he did was go to Khomani's tomb after he won. Folks the mother of all battles is now in the embryo stage with Iran, it will make Iraq look like a cartoon. I am a man of hope but I fear in this country we have all become so desensitized to the violence and apathetic to take on the ignorance & maddness of war & protest like we did in the 60's, that it might be to late before we all wake up. Maybe when the pot starts to "really boil" with Iran the revolution will kick in, one can only hope,because so far Iraq is not making it happen.

Love forever
Robin


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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Wed Jun 29 16:56:49 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Wed Jun 29 16:57:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at Lake Region Summer Theater
References: <200506291900.j5TJ0Avl014302@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <004401c57d06$373dcd00$6501a8c0@Leo>

Here's a news bulletin and something for you Nina to add to the "current 
productions" link at the archives.

HAIR is being performed at Lake Region Summer Theater by Lake Winnipesaukee 
in Meredith, NH  June 28 - July 10. Meredith is about an hour from where I 
live in Maine. Needless to say, a bunch of us HAIR freaks are organizing to 
get a tribe together to go down to see this production. The link for all 
info is: http://www.lakesregionsummertheatre.com/schedule.html

The HAIR gathering/powwow we're holding next weekend is shaping up nicely. 
We'll kick it all off Friday, July 8th with a blessing of the field followed 
by a drum circle and a passing of the conch. The passing of the conch works 
like this. We assemble in a big HAIRy circle and I'll pass the conch (or 
whatever represents the conch) to the freak on my left. The person holding 
the conch is the only one allowed to speak; everyone else must listen (got 
the idea from LORD OF THE FLIES). When that person has finished speaking the 
conch is again passed to the left and so it goes around the circle ending up 
in my hands once again cuz I'm considered "the elder". We talk about how 
HAIR has impacted our lives and the camaraderie it has cultivated among us. 
However, if someone has something they wanna vent about we absolutely let 
them do so. It makes for a great aura to kick off the weekend. I'm sure 
you'll feel our vibe that night.

PEACE,
Leo 


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Jun 29 18:32:48 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Jun 29 18:33:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at Lake Region Summer Theater
In-Reply-To: <004401c57d06$373dcd00$6501a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <BEE899D0.21592%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Leo,
Thanks for the info.
Do have a great Be In.
I am sure all of us want to be there?
Peace and Love,
Michael

> Here's a news bulletin and something for you Nina to add to the "current
> productions" link at the archives.
> 
> HAIR is being performed at Lake Region Summer Theater by Lake Winnipesaukee
> in Meredith, NH  June 28 - July 10. Meredith is about an hour from where I
> live in Maine. Needless to say, a bunch of us HAIR freaks are organizing to
> get a tribe together to go down to see this production. The link for all
> info is: http://www.lakesregionsummertheatre.com/schedule.html
> 
> The HAIR gathering/powwow we're holding next weekend is shaping up nicely.
> We'll kick it all off Friday, July 8th with a blessing of the field followed
> by a drum circle and a passing of the conch. The passing of the conch works
> like this. We assemble in a big HAIRy circle and I'll pass the conch (or
> whatever represents the conch) to the freak on my left. The person holding
> the conch is the only one allowed to speak; everyone else must listen (got
> the idea from LORD OF THE FLIES). When that person has finished speaking the
> conch is again passed to the left and so it goes around the circle ending up
> in my hands once again cuz I'm considered "the elder". We talk about how
> HAIR has impacted our lives and the camaraderie it has cultivated among us.
> However, if someone has something they wanna vent about we absolutely let
> them do so. It makes for a great aura to kick off the weekend. I'm sure
> you'll feel our vibe that night.
> 
> PEACE,
> Leo 
> 
> 
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Thu Jun 30 04:13:23 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Thu Jun 30 04:14:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at Lake Region Summer Theater
References: <BEE899D0.21592%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <002701c57d64$baf95070$8a03ca44@CowBox>

Hey Leo

Sounds very cool brother, I do hope you pass the pipe before the conch.  :)

Love forever
Robin



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAIR at Lake Region Summer Theater


> Leo,
> Thanks for the info.
> Do have a great Be In.
> I am sure all of us want to be there?
> Peace and Love,
> Michael
>
>> Here's a news bulletin and something for you Nina to add to the "current
>> productions" link at the archives.
>>
>> HAIR is being performed at Lake Region Summer Theater by Lake 
>> Winnipesaukee
>> in Meredith, NH  June 28 - July 10. Meredith is about an hour from where 
>> I
>> live in Maine. Needless to say, a bunch of us HAIR freaks are organizing 
>> to
>> get a tribe together to go down to see this production. The link for all
>> info is: http://www.lakesregionsummertheatre.com/schedule.html
>>
>> The HAIR gathering/powwow we're holding next weekend is shaping up 
>> nicely.
>> We'll kick it all off Friday, July 8th with a blessing of the field 
>> followed
>> by a drum circle and a passing of the conch. The passing of the conch 
>> works
>> like this. We assemble in a big HAIRy circle and I'll pass the conch (or
>> whatever represents the conch) to the freak on my left. The person 
>> holding
>> the conch is the only one allowed to speak; everyone else must listen 
>> (got
>> the idea from LORD OF THE FLIES). When that person has finished speaking 
>> the
>> conch is again passed to the left and so it goes around the circle ending 
>> up
>> in my hands once again cuz I'm considered "the elder". We talk about how
>> HAIR has impacted our lives and the camaraderie it has cultivated among 
>> us.
>> However, if someone has something they wanna vent about we absolutely let
>> them do so. It makes for a great aura to kick off the weekend. I'm sure
>> you'll feel our vibe that night.
>>
>> PEACE,
>> Leo
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Jun 30 05:08:52 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Jun 30 05:09:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at Lake Region Summer Theater
References: <BEE899D0.21592%michael@michaelbutler.com>
	<002701c57d64$baf95070$8a03ca44@CowBox>
Message-ID: <00de01c57d6c$7b980ef0$6e436c42@hotprojects>

personally i do pass the pipe but its hard because i have a tendancy to
bogart
being an invenerate pot head as i am
but i do share
but its real hard
and ill share money food homes years of my time
but all the grass is for me
sorry
peace

richard ( trying to be good but really not knowing how to go about it )
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAIR at Lake Region Summer Theater


> Hey Leo
>
> Sounds very cool brother, I do hope you pass the pipe before the conch.
:)
>
> Love forever
> Robin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] HAIR at Lake Region Summer Theater
>
>
> > Leo,
> > Thanks for the info.
> > Do have a great Be In.
> > I am sure all of us want to be there?
> > Peace and Love,
> > Michael
> >
> >> Here's a news bulletin and something for you Nina to add to the
"current
> >> productions" link at the archives.
> >>
> >> HAIR is being performed at Lake Region Summer Theater by Lake
> >> Winnipesaukee
> >> in Meredith, NH  June 28 - July 10. Meredith is about an hour from
where
> >> I
> >> live in Maine. Needless to say, a bunch of us HAIR freaks are
organizing
> >> to
> >> get a tribe together to go down to see this production. The link for
all
> >> info is: http://www.lakesregionsummertheatre.com/schedule.html
> >>
> >> The HAIR gathering/powwow we're holding next weekend is shaping up
> >> nicely.
> >> We'll kick it all off Friday, July 8th with a blessing of the field
> >> followed
> >> by a drum circle and a passing of the conch. The passing of the conch
> >> works
> >> like this. We assemble in a big HAIRy circle and I'll pass the conch
(or
> >> whatever represents the conch) to the freak on my left. The person
> >> holding
> >> the conch is the only one allowed to speak; everyone else must listen
> >> (got
> >> the idea from LORD OF THE FLIES). When that person has finished
speaking
> >> the
> >> conch is again passed to the left and so it goes around the circle
ending
> >> up
> >> in my hands once again cuz I'm considered "the elder". We talk about
how
> >> HAIR has impacted our lives and the camaraderie it has cultivated among
> >> us.
> >> However, if someone has something they wanna vent about we absolutely
let
> >> them do so. It makes for a great aura to kick off the weekend. I'm sure
> >> you'll feel our vibe that night.
> >>
> >> PEACE,
> >> Leo
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Mb-hair mailing list
> >> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Thu Jun 30 09:09:26 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Thu Jun 30 09:11:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] OT: Take a Trip Through Yesterday
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Wed, 29 Jun 2005
	12:00:10 -0700
Message-ID: <28677-42C41936-2254@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>


http://www.theimaginaryworld.com/page4.html

Scroll down; good fun.

Best, Jim

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From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Jun 30 10:41:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: Talk Show Washout Tries Again
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Thu Jun 30 11:08:56 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Thu Jun 30 11:09:44 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: Hair photos - White Boys
Message-ID: <88310-22005643018856777@M2W026.mail2web.com>

Greetings, 

has anybody had any news from Rebecca?
The final copy of her dissertation was due 2 weeks from April 18...(see
below)

 It's the end of June and I still have not had a reply...
 Dagmar

Original Message:
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From: fotoblue@flash.net fotoblue@flash.net
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 02:17:45 -0400
To: rrugg@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Hair photos - White Boys


Hello, 
 have not heard from you in a LONG time. 
have not had a reply to below message...

What's new with your project?

Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: fotoblue@flash.net fotoblue@flash.net
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 01:52:39 -0400
To: rrugg@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Hair photos - White Boys


Hi Rebecca, 
glad you like the photos!

I know all about deadlines, have been scanning Nigel Olsson (Elton John's
drummer) 
all day, am getting crosseyed by now, although he used to be SO cute! 
maybe still is??? 
(and you know what they say about sights for sore eyes - ha!)
 this was taken in a Detroit hotelroom, probably before the show at the
Easttown Theater, Nov 28, 1970...
I'll have to go to the fanpages to see what he looks like today.

oh, by the way, the pictures I sent are in 72dpi, for the book you will
need 300 dpi, 
or the reproduction will be bad. What about the dissertation?? How is that
printed?

 OK, am getting some sleep now too

 Dagmar
 PO Box 68013
 Tucson, AZ 85737


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rebecca Rugg rrugg@earthlink.net
Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:45:45 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
To: fotoblue@flash.net
Subject: RE: Hair photos - White Boys


Dagmar--
Thank you so much for sending the photos, they are so awesome!
I am so lucky to have made contact with you!
I am racing my deadline, still making some changes in order to graduate,
and will send you a copy once I've settled down and gotten some sleep!
Where shall I send it?
I'll also send the formal permission at that time, even though it's a
little ass-backwards at this point...
And of course, just to reiterate, obviously if this is ever published (and
I hope it will be)
as a book, we'll have to negotiate a fee for you for the use of the photos.
Thanks so much,
Becca

-----Original Message-----
From: "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>
Sent: May 10, 2005 6:48 PM
To: rrugg@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Hair photos - White Boys

hello Rebecca,
 how's the dissertation coming?
Did you get the picture from Lincoln Center?

here are two versions, the first one with Donna Summer!
You can really see the one dress there, as they are stepping away from each
other. 
The other one  with Melba Moore and Mary Davis is not as obvious -yet!
 I would really like a copy! Thank you. it doesn't matter if it's heavy.
 How many hours of work are in it??
If - or should I say WHEN - you do do the book eventually, I will need to
get a publication fee.


let me know how its' coming along. deadline about now?

Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rebecca Rugg rrugg@earthlink.net
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:10:32 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
To: fotoblue@flash.net
Subject: RE: Hair photos


That is SO NICE of you.  I really appreciate it!
I will of course credit you, and if you really want a copy,
I can send you one, but I have to warn you it's something of 
a 400 page doorstop, not a really riviting read!  I could just send
you the chapter on HAIR and West Side Story, or I could 
send you a copy of the book when I turn it in to one.

The final copy is due in two weeks, so I'm cramming!

Becca

-----Original Message-----
From: "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>
Sent: Apr 17, 2005 11:45 PM
To: rrugg@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Hair photos

Hello Rebecca,
OK, but even if it is "only" used in your dissertation, you MUST put a
photo credit  there. (photo by Dagmar) Please.
 And I have another request: can I have a copy of the dissertation?

 When do you have to hand it in?

Dagmar


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rebecca Rugg rrugg@earthlink.net
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 00:09:20 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
To: fotoblue@flash.net
Subject: RE: Hair photos


Dagmar,

I am sorry about the spam-blocker confusion!  I fished your
email out of the spam holding bin, and have been composing an answer which 
goes as follows:

Of course I realize you are a professional photographer!  You are totally
famous!
I know you can't just "give out" photos, and if I ever should publish this
as a book,
of course I'd be looking to pay for the right to use the photos.  For now,
I AM looking 
for a freebie, since it's basically for me and my advisor to look at, and
it sits in a library 
at
my school, and should be covered under "fair use" or "academic use" or
something 
like that.
Obviously, I would only do this if it was something you were ok with, which
is why I'm 
writing
now!  I'll put together a formal request and attach it to another message,
or send it to 
you,
if simply letting me use the photos for my dissertation is something you'd
even 
consider.  If not,
I won't use them, and I'll find another way to represent the number I'm
discussing, and 
I'll
get back to you when it's time to make it a book!

Thanks so much,
Rebecca Rugg


-----Original Message-----
From: "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>
Sent: Apr 7, 2005 1:13 PM
To: rrugg@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Hair photos

Hello Rebecca

 sure it's OK to ask me anything!
 ;-)

I have a question in return:
 you realize that I'm a professional photographer, do you?
 I can sell you photos, but can't just "give them out".
and yes, I do have a shot of the three girls in one dress.
A takeoff on the Supremes!

My fax is: 
 520-742-1766
but emails work fine too.

I look forward to hearing more from you.

Dagmar


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Rebecca Rugg rrugg@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:24:00 -0600
To: fotoblue@flash.net
Subject: Hair photos


Hi Dagmar,

I am a doctoral student at the Yale School of Drama, writing my dissertation
on musical theater and American nationalism, and I have your email from
Michael Butler's archivist at the Hair website.

I had written them trying to see about permission to use one of the photos
on the site, a photo of the "White Boys" number, and they said you took the
picture and you hold the rights to it.

So I'm writing you to see first of all, if there is a fax number or an
address where I can send you a more formal permission request.

Also, though, I wonder if you have other images from the show, particularly
from this number in it, that might work: the copy I have from the "Hair"
website is pretty lame.  In my diss, I talk about the moment in this number
where the women revealed that they were all wearing one dress -- I've never
seen a photo of that moment, but would LOVE to include one, if it were
available.

Hope this is all ok to ask, and that it's not too much trouble.

Thanks in advance,
Rebecca Rugg
(RRugg@earthlink.net/RebeccaRugg@aya.yale.edu)


168 2nd Ave PMB#348
New York, NY 10003
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Thu Jun 30 11:35:05 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Thu Jun 30 11:35:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: countin' numbers...
Message-ID: <309770-22005643018355343@M2W114.mail2web.com>

Hi all,

sitting there at your computer, semi-hip and semi-groovy???
well, it ALMOST RHYMES...
;-)

thought I'd send this on to you  - no flak please, just try to figure it
out!


It is quite interesting!

http://www.barry.fireflyinternet.co.uk/fun/files/tiny.htm

xx
 Dagmar




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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Jun 30 12:25:15 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Jun 30 12:25:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: countin' numbers...
In-Reply-To: <309770-22005643018355343@M2W114.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BEE9952B.21625%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Wild!
XO Michael

> Hi all,
> 
> sitting there at your computer, semi-hip and semi-groovy???
> well, it ALMOST RHYMES...
> ;-)
> 
> thought I'd send this on to you  - no flak please, just try to figure it
> out!
> 
> 
> It is quite interesting!
> 
> http://www.barry.fireflyinternet.co.uk/fun/files/tiny.htm
> 
> xx
> Dagmar
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Thu Jun 30 14:32:11 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Thu Jun 30 14:51:59 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
Message-ID: <00a701c57dbb$2d4ffba0$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Well, egg on my face for flaming YOU, Dear Michael!  : )  But, you gotta admit, the average Joe (not just one's from Tioga) would have a difficult time in figuring out even the "political" import of the message about using "Bounce" brand dryer sheets for everyday things other than drying laundry.  But, then again, a good American Studies student (apparently I have an M.A. degree in Am. Studies) should be able to connive an "A" paper on just such a topic -- "The Contribution of 'Bounce' to the Advancement of American Society and Culture."  As a matter of fact, I think I should have rubbed Bounce all over my body before I went to the airport.  Maybe I would have gotten through the security checkpoint faster.

Anyway, can we just say that this little Indian got off on the wrong side of his horse about all this?  My horse turned his head back and nipped me, and I fell back on a cactus, and, well, let's just say I had a bad-HAIR day, and that's why I got so unnecessarily ornery about the whole static-cling-free business, okay?

PEACE,

tioga joe

=====================

Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:54:30 -0700
From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>

Sorry to be so long in responding. I am responsible for sending Gerald's
stuff.
There has been so little Hair centric activity since the days of Pentacle
and WMH I wonder if it is worth the cost?
Most political stuff now goes to Civic. It was started in response to Shaw's
flame out. Occasionally I do post something about our political scene.
I am sorry but I got into Hair because of politics in  a time when it was
child's play compared to today.
So let us hope we again see some theatrical use of this list.
Michael

> Gerald, Gerald,
> 
> "Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful stuff
> ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the mailboxes of
> your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not
> further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about and
> discussing things HAIR?
> 
> I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in expressing my
> dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter how
> "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes me
> (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association -- because
> the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a place
> just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better
> housekeeping, it loses its credibility.
> 
> Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have,
> because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of Bounce!
> : )
> 
> Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant.  Gerald
> Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.
> 
> Wearily,
> 
> Tioga Joe
> 
> ====================
> 
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
> 
> Bounce this around!
> 
> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
> 
> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
> yellow jackets away.
> 
> [ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]
> 
> ======================

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From songsters at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 30 14:59:57 2005
From: songsters at earthlink.net (Debbie Andrews)
Date: Thu Jun 30 15:01:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hair Lake Region Theatre - Leo
Message-ID: <f04310101beea1ae826fa@[165.247.25.156]>

Hey Leo,

Have a wonderful be in !!
All circles
seems like a cool idea...

love.love
Debbie A
From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Jun 30 15:06:12 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Jun 30 15:07:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...
In-Reply-To: <00a701c57dbb$2d4ffba0$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>
Message-ID: <BEE9BAE4.2164A%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Tioga Joe,

Love it and any time, You will never say anything that would offend me. I
know where your head is at.
Peace and Love,
Michael

> Well, egg on my face for flaming YOU, Dear Michael!  : )  But, you gotta
> admit, the average Joe (not just one's from Tioga) would have a difficult time
> in figuring out even the "political" import of the message about using
> "Bounce" brand dryer sheets for everyday things other than drying laundry.
> But, then again, a good American Studies student (apparently I have an M.A.
> degree in Am. Studies) should be able to connive an "A" paper on just such a
> topic -- "The Contribution of 'Bounce' to the Advancement of American Society
> and Culture."  As a matter of fact, I think I should have rubbed Bounce all
> over my body before I went to the airport.  Maybe I would have gotten through
> the security checkpoint faster.
> 
> Anyway, can we just say that this little Indian got off on the wrong side of
> his horse about all this?  My horse turned his head back and nipped me, and I
> fell back on a cactus, and, well, let's just say I had a bad-HAIR day, and
> that's why I got so unnecessarily ornery about the whole static-cling-free
> business, okay?
> 
> PEACE,
> 
> tioga joe
> 
> =====================
> 
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:54:30 -0700
> From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
> 
> Sorry to be so long in responding. I am responsible for sending Gerald's
> stuff.
> There has been so little Hair centric activity since the days of Pentacle
> and WMH I wonder if it is worth the cost?
> Most political stuff now goes to Civic. It was started in response to Shaw's
> flame out. Occasionally I do post something about our political scene.
> I am sorry but I got into Hair because of politics in  a time when it was
> child's play compared to today.
> So let us hope we again see some theatrical use of this list.
> Michael
> 
>> Gerald, Gerald,
>> 
>> "Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful stuff
>> ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the mailboxes of
>> your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not
>> further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about and
>> discussing things HAIR?
>> 
>> I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in expressing my
>> dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter how
>> "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes me
>> (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association -- because
>> the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a place
>> just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better
>> housekeeping, it loses its credibility.
>> 
>> Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have,
>> because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of Bounce!
>> : )
>> 
>> Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant.  Gerald
>> Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.
>> 
>> Wearily,
>> 
>> Tioga Joe
>> 
>> ====================
>> 
>> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
>> 
>> Bounce this around!
>> 
>> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
>> 
>> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
>> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
>> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
>> yellow jackets away.
>> 
>> [ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]
>> 
>> ======================
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 

From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Thu Jun 30 15:12:25 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Thu Jun 30 15:32:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ... or simply musings...
Message-ID: <00b001c57dc0$cc050100$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Yes, Dear Dagmar, I did notice (after I'd already sent mine in) your friendlier response to the posting to the HAIR list that list of tips on using fabric softner for this and that.  And, yeah, it did make me a bit self-conscious about my reply.  Good-natured ribbing (as we oughta be able to do, sorta sibling to sibling in this Tribal family) tends not to be perceived as such when written in this format.

And, yeah, sure, I'll lighten up.  But, come on.  There WAS a valid point to the point I made.  Or, on second thought, I guess not, if I'm the only one who believes it.  The majority rules in Tribe.  But every Tribe member ought to be able to speak his peace.  And that's all I did.  I spoke my peace.  

And spam disturbs my peace.

But on the HAIR list, I will stomach it as long as I can, recognizing the valid point that it at least makes SOMEBODY happy.

And, Jeepers Creepers, Dagmar, ANY photo of any thing that you that you've taken would be HAIR related because YOU took it, and, well, you ARE HAIR!  So, you can't not send the photo of Javelina in the birdbath, under the premiss it's not HAIR-related, because, if it's related to you, it's HAIR-related.

So, now, it's like you're going to punish me by not posting the shot to the List, but you'll mail it individually to everybody else on the list but me! (am I sounding paranoid enough?  Look, this symbol : ) is supposed to mean I'm kidding, okay?

Alright, alright, alright.  I'm sorry.  I'm sorry.  I wish to apologize to Gerald, and to Michael, and to the rest of the Tribe, and definitely to you, dear Dagmar, for my getting all bitchy and all.  It's all Leo's fault.  : )   No, just me -- had a bad-HAIR day.

Will you forgive me?

That crabby ol' Injun,
Tioga Joe
=================================

Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:16:51 -0400
From: "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>

Good Sunday morning,  Michael,

We should not be limited to political and purely HAIR reltaed topics here. 
Are we not all multi-facetted people? 
With many interests - and a "love and devotion" to HAIR?

I have sent photos I wanted to share, and probably some responses and ideas
not 
entirely "hairy" - so what?
 I like to hear about  personal stuff going on in our tribes, it brings us
all closer.

not every message interests me, of course, so I skip across it.

Lighten up, Tioga Joe. As you saw from my response ot Gerald, 
I didn't agree with all that was suggested in his message, 
but I would not tell him NOT to send something he finds interesting.

I would have attached a photo I took yesterday of a young Javelina 
sitting in our birdbath 
(a much too small bathtub for it!)  -
but maybe I'll just send it to a few people directly. 

(Nina: it's coming!)

Our temps have been above 100F, so animal behaviour gets modified. 
Maybe it's the summer heat that makes some of us more irritable than we
usually are

Love and peace

 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Michael Butler michael@michaelbutler.com
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:54:30 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Useful stuff maybe ...


Sorry to be so long in responding. I am responsible for sending Gerald's
stuff.
There has been so little Hair centric activity since the days of Pentacle
and WMH I wonder if it is worth the cost?
Most political stuff now goes to Civic. It was started in response to Shaw's
flame out. Occasionally I do post something about our political scene.
I am sorry but I got into Hair because of politics in  a time when it was
child's play compared to today.
So let us hope we again see some theatrical use of this list.
Michael



> Gerald, Gerald,
> 
> "Great Tip"?  What's this tip have to do with HAIR?  Sure, it's useful
stuff
> ... to keep bees away and sh**.  But, can't you just clog up the
mailboxes of
> your personal friends by sending this sort of stuff to them only, and not
> further dilute the value of the MB-HAIR List as a tool for learning about
and
> discussing things HAIR?
> 
> I'm sorry, Everybody-else-on-the-List, for my making a scene in
expressing my
> dissatisfaction with one's use of the HAIR List to spread SPAM (no matter
how
> "helpful" it may be).  But, damnitall, this kind of cr** is what pushes me
> (and no doubt other serious HAIR-heads) away from this association --
because
> the association becomes no longer HAIR-centric.  When it becomes more a
place
> just for feely-goody chit-chat about "Hints from Heloise"-type better
> housekeeping, it loses its credibility.
> 
> Oh, I could go on, but, I'm sure I adequately made my point (I must have,
> because I first wiped my computer screen and keyboard with a sheet of
Bounce!
> : )
> 
> Anyway, Everybody-Who-Is-Not-Gerald-Gerald, please pardon my rant.  Gerald
> Gerald, come on, admit it -- you deserved it.
> 
> Wearily,
> 
> Tioga Joe
> 
> ====================
> 
> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:23:30 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Gerald Gerald <dekuyper@sbcglobal.net>
> 
> Bounce this around!
> 
> Great Tip....Who woulda thought?
> 
> 1.  My mail carrier told me that the US Postal service
> sent out a message to all letter carriers to put a
> sheet of Bounce in their uniform pockets to keep
> yellow jackets away.
> 
> [ And 19 other reasons that have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with HAIR! ]
> 
> ======================

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From sjsmith at njvvmf.org  Thu Jun 30 15:17:39 2005
From: sjsmith at njvvmf.org (Sibley Smith)
Date: Thu Jun 30 15:37:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: No Black Actors
Message-ID: <00b901c57dc1$87004870$5264a8c0@njdmava.state.nj.us>

Katie,

I concur with your sense about the "whigger" possibility as still being a negative, and so I withdraw my earlier suggestion about possibly using that characterization .

You're on the right track, so I know this will work out for you.

--Tioga Joe
===============

> >From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
> >To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> >
> > > You know,
> > >
> > > I think when I talk to some of the black leaders of our community I
will
> >get
> > > a better feel.  But, finding a solution on our own will hopefully
> >motivate
> > > the black community to come out and play with us.  I mean, while they
> >may
> > > not find the "whigger" idea as offensive, it may enough of a bur under
> >the
> > > saddle to leave the protective, suspicious "no whites allowed"
attitude.
> > >
> > > I'm not giving up.
> > >
> > > hm. it certainly would cause a stir...maybe that, ultimately, would be
> >good
> > > too!
> > > :)
> > > Love,
> > > Katie

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From: info at amerifilmcasting.com (Amerifilm Casting, Inc.)
Date: Thu Jun 30 16:07:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Debbie Andrews performance NYC
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Debbie and her band rocked the house!!!  Fun (but short) set.

Meredith
From info at amerifilmcasting.com  Thu Jun 30 16:22:58 2005
From: info at amerifilmcasting.com (Amerifilm Casting, Inc.)
Date: Thu Jun 30 16:15:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topic versus Off Topic
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Also, to weigh in on the list topics, as a "newbie" I like the living 
room AND the political / HAIR related aspect.  I never saw the "old 
list postings" so I've nothing to compare, but I like just getting to 
know people by reading what they have to say, whether they're having 
a good or bad HAIR day!  And I do now have sheets of a generic fabric 
softener (does it work as well as Bounce?  I'm not sure yet) all over 
my apartment.  For those of us that are domestically challenged, 
simple household tips are always appreciated.

Meredith
From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 30 18:36:10 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Thu Jun 30 18:36:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] segregated is a state of mind
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Bless you Tioga Joe,

I found a center in the projects today and went to talk to their director.
so, i met about 5 African American singers from a local church..

which brings me to an issue that may only apply in the bible belt where I 
live.

Most of the black actor/singers belong to pretty intense churches.
That equals an awesome choir and also a pretty dogmatic sense of 
christianity.
pentacostal...Southern Baptist...
say no more.

I don't want to take out "emanci-mother-fuckin'-pator of the 
slaves"...that's one of my favourite lines.  punches you in the gut and 
makes you feel good about it.

advice?

Love,
the moral minority :)




ALOHA NUI LOA!


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Jun 30 19:12:56 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Jun 30 19:13:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] segregated is a state of mind
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Keep the lines true to the authors original works.
Michael

> Bless you Tioga Joe,
> 
> I found a center in the projects today and went to talk to their director.
> so, i met about 5 African American singers from a local church..
> 
> which brings me to an issue that may only apply in the bible belt where I
> live.
> 
> Most of the black actor/singers belong to pretty intense churches.
> That equals an awesome choir and also a pretty dogmatic sense of
> christianity.
> pentacostal...Southern Baptist...
> say no more.
> 
> I don't want to take out "emanci-mother-fuckin'-pator of the
> slaves"...that's one of my favourite lines.  punches you in the gut and
> makes you feel good about it.
> 
> advice?
> 
> Love,
> the moral minority :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
> 
> 
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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 30 23:29:58 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Thu Jun 30 23:30:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On topicv/Off Topic
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Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:14 AM
This is what happened to me when I lived in Australia for grad school.
perhaps some aspect of civil war is close at hand.



        Naturehttp://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,15734656-421,00.html






ALOHA NUI LOA!


