From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Oct  1 09:01:58 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Oct  1 09:08:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] National Geographic News Photo Gallery: First Live Giant
	Squid Photographed
Message-ID: <BF640106.24250%michael@michaelbutler.com>

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/photogalleries/giant_squid/p
hoto9.html

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Oct  1 09:49:49 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Oct  1 09:56:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] National Geographic News Photo Gallery: First Live Giant
	Squid Photographed
Message-ID: <BF640C3D.24262%michael@michaelbutler.com>

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/photogalleries/giant_squid/
Try this link, I gather the last one might be defective.
Michael

From djbrook at hevanet.com  Sat Oct  1 08:56:44 2005
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Sat Oct  1 12:03:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] National Geographic News Photo Gallery: First Live
	GiantSquid Photographed
References: <BF640C3D.24262%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <001601c5c6a0$bca341d0$6b00a8c0@djb>

Awesomely cool, MB, thanks for sharing this.  The Giant Squid is indeed a
bit of mythical creature, so it's a privilege to see it like that.  Very
beautiful and  shimmering.  (and I'll refrain from any jokes about
calamari...)
thanks,
Doris


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] National Geographic News Photo Gallery: First Live
GiantSquid Photographed


>
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/photogalleries/giant_squid/
> Try this link, I gather the last one might be defective.
> Michael
>

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Oct  1 13:00:32 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Oct  1 13:06:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] National Geographic News Photo Gallery: First Live Giant
	Squid Photographed
Message-ID: <BF6438F0.24283%michael@michaelbutler.com>

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/photogalleries/giant_squid/

From michael at intrafi.com  Sat Oct  1 16:23:26 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sat Oct  1 16:30:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] An article for you from an Economist.com reader.
Message-ID: <200510012258.SAA16475@stage-web-app.economist.com>

  
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THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGIN'. REALLY 
Sep 29th 2005  

Believe it or not, America is beginning to escape its groundhog decade

WE'RE told on good authority that history repeats itself, but this is
getting ridiculous. The past week has been a giant flashback to the
1960s. On Saturday 100,000 anti-war demonstrators descended on
Washington, DC, to chant peacenik slogans and listen to Joan Baez sing
"Where have all the flowers gone?" The only thing missing was Abbie
Hoffman trying to levitate the Pentagon. And that's not all. PBS
broadcast Martin Scorsese's lengthy homage to Bob Dylan, alongside a
week of tributes to "the years that shaped a generation" (including a
special edition of "Antiques Roadshow"). Both the Rolling Stones and
Jane Fonda have dragged their aged limbs on tour. 

There have been a few attempts to update things. This time, some
anti-war protesters wore T-shirts that read "make levees not war",
while Sir Michael Jagger has penned a song about the evils of
neo-conservatism. But for the most part, everybody seems happiest with
golden oldies. 

Why are the 1960s so difficult to escape? One reason is the sheer size
of the baby-boom generation. Giant arboreal slums of boomers now sit at
the top of every establishment tree, not least the media. And like all
ageing geezers they continue to see the world through the prism of
their youths. Listen to Charles Rangel, a black congressman from New
York, comparing George Bush to Bull Connor (the notorious white police
boss in Birmingham, Alabama); or Jesse Jackson likening the peace
protesters to the civil-rights heroine, Rosa Parks; or just about every
pundit doing the "Iraq war as Vietnam quagmire" routine. 

The other reason why the 1960s are so hard to shake off is that the
decade split America down the middle, launching the culture wars that
still haunt American politics and redefining America's two great
parties. The Democrats became the party of people who regarded the
1960s as an unmitigated good (particularly feminists, blacks and social
liberals) while the Republicans regarded the 1960s as an unmitigated
evil (particularly white southerners and other "conservatives of the
heart"). 

This has made for "Groundhog Day" politics. Every election the same
arguments appear about draft dodging, the permissive society and so on.
Last year, while Iraq burned, American politics fixated on which Swift
Boat veteran did what 40 years ago. 

Is there really no escape? In fact, last year's election looks like the
last hurrah for 1960s politics. John Kerry presumably thought that
turning the 2004 election into a referendum on his war service in
Vietnam was a slam-dunk, given that he fought heroically while Mr Bush
skulked at home. But many voters were less obsessed by the Mekong
Delta, and others remembered him as a war protester, not a war hero.

The future of both parties is in the hands of people who want to
jettison their 1960s baggage. On the Democrat side, before Mr Kerry
reintroduced Vietnam, the Clintonites had spent much of the 1990s
distancing themselves from Eugene McCarthy. They demonised black
radicals such as Sister Souljah, embraced tough policies on crime and
welfare, supported school uniforms and V-chips, and sent American
bombers into Bosnia. In her preparation for 2008, Hillary Clinton has
taken positions on military force and abortion rights that would have
scandalised her younger self. Barack Obama, a possible running mate, is
very different from the older black leaders. On the relative merits of
liberal and conservative solutions to black poverty--spending more
money versus changing the behaviour of the poor--he says: "It's not
either/or. It's both/and."

For their part, the Republicans have been trying to get beyond Richard
Nixon's "southern strategy". Mr Bush has appointed blacks to more
senior positions in his administration than any previous president and
lavished more attention on wooing black voters. The reason why black
Democrats seized on the catastrophe in New Orleans to demonise Mr Bush
is not because they really think that he is Bull Connor reincarnated,
but because they worry that his strategy of creating a multicultural
Republican Party might get somewhere.

THE OLD ROAD IS RAPIDLY AGEING
More broadly, American society is beginning to make its peace with that
divisive decade: it is becoming neither a pro-1960s culture nor an
anti-1960s culture but a post-1960s culture. Polls show only 5% of
voters objecting to the civil-rights revolution. For all the rage of
the culture warriors, most Americans--particularly young ones--put a
high premium on "tolerance". At the same time, they also think that the
counter-culture went too far. Very few people decry the nuclear family
or urge people to tune in, turn on and drop out. 

Society is in a process of repairing itself after the big dislocations
of the 1960s, when rates of crime, pre-marital sex and family breakdown
began to surge. (The annual number of divorces, for example, more than
doubled between the mid-1960s and the mid-1970s.) The figures for
teenage pregnancy and abortion are both declining. Crime is down
(America now has fewer burglaries per head than Canada), and divorce is
beginning to drop, particularly among the college-educated, as the
children of divorced parents re-embrace the nuclear family. Most young
Americans say they believe in God and love their country.

 Mr Dylan remains such an iconic figure not because he embodied the
1960s but because, unlike many of his acolytes, he refused to be
defined by the decade. Mr Scorsese makes great play about the way the
folk protester infuriated his hard-core fans by going electric. But
this was only one of the bard's changes. He distanced himself from his
protest songs. He got God in a big way. And in his recent memoirs he
boasts that his dream was a "nine-to-five existence, a house on a
tree-lined block with a white picket fence, pink roses in the
backyard." That's where the flowers went, Joan.
 

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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  1 16:47:43 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Sat Oct  1 16:53:59 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] National Geographic News Photo Gallery: First Live
	GiantSquid Photographed
In-Reply-To: <BF6438F0.24283%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F142AEF95D2C07AC1BA4324AD8E0@phx.gbl>

WOW- THAT IS SO COOL!!!!!

I wonder if they'll re-make "2000 Leagues Under the Sea"...would be a shame 
though...who could top James Mason...sigh... :)

Thank you!

Peace,
K

ALOHA NUI LOA!


From Alittlehawk at aol.com  Sun Oct  2 01:11:22 2005
From: Alittlehawk at aol.com (Alittlehawk@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct  2 09:35:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Parable Worth Considering!
Message-ID: <E1EM6i0-0003y8-6K@smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net>


A Parable Worth Considering!

 ?

 A man eats two eggs each morning for breakfast. When he goes to the
> grocery
> store he pays 60 cents a dozen. Since a dozen eggs won't last a week he
> normally buys two dozen at a time.
>
> One day while buying eggs he notices that the price has risen to 72 cents.
> The next time he buys groceries, eggs are .76 cents a dozen.
>
> When asked to explain the price of eggs the store owner says, "the price
> has gone up and I have to raise my price accordingly".
>
> This store buys 100 dozen eggs a day. I checked around for a better price
> and all the distributors have raised their prices.
>
> The distributors have begun to buy from the huge egg farms. The small egg
> farms have been driven out of business.
>
> The huge egg farms sells 100,000 dozen eggs a day to distributors. With no
> competition, they can set the price as they see fit.
>
> The distributors then have to raise their prices to the grocery stores.
> And on and on and on.
>
> As the man kept buying eggs the price kept going up. He saw the big egg
> trucks delivering 100 dozen eggs each day. Nothing changed there.
>
> He checked out the huge egg farms and found they were selling 100,000
> dozen eggs to the distributors daily.
>
> Nothing had changed but the price of eggs.
>
> Then week before Thanksgiving the price of eggs shot up to $1.00 a dozen.
> Again he asked the grocery owner why and was told, "cakes and baking for
> the holiday". The huge egg farmers know there will be a lot of baking going 
on
> and more eggs will be used. Hence, the price of eggs goes up.
>
> Expect the same thing at Christmas and other times when family cooking and
> baking happen.
>
> This ! pattern continues until the price of eggs is 2.00 a dozen. The man
> says,"there must be something we can do about the price of eggs".
>
> He starts talking to all the people in his town and they decide to stop
> buying eggs. This didn't work because everyone needed eggs.
>
> Finally, the man suggested only buying what you need. He ate 2 eggs a day.
> On the way home from work he would stop at the grocery and buy two eggs.
> Everyone in town started buying 2 or 3 eggs a day.
>
> The grocery store owner began complaining that he had too many eggs in his
> cooler. He told the distributor that he didn't need any eggs. Maybe
> wouldn't need any all week.


> The distributor had eggs piling up at his warehouse. He told the huge egg
> farms that he didn't have any room for eggs would not need any for at
> least two weeks.
>
> At the egg farm, the chickens just kept on laying eggs.
>
> To relieve the pressure, the huge egg farm told the distributor that they
> could buy the eggs at a lower price. The distributor said, " don't have
> the room for the eggs even if they were free".
>
> The distributor told the grocery store owner that he would lower the price
> of the eggs if the store would start buying again.
>
> The grocery store owner said, "I don't have room for more eggs. The
> customers are only buy 2 or 3 eggs at a time".
>
> "Now if you were to drop the price of eggs back down to the original
> price,? the customers would start buying by the dozen again".
>
> The distributors sent that proposal to the huge egg farmers. They liked
> the? price they were getting for their eggs but, those chickens just kept 
on
> laying.
>
> Finally, the egg farmers lowered the price of their eggs. But only a few
> cents.
>
> The customers still bought 2 or 3 eggs at a time. They said, "when the
> price of eggs gets down to where it was before we will start buying by the
> dozen.
>
> Slowly the price of eggs started dropping. The distributors had to slash
> their prices to make room for the eggs coming from the egg farmers.
>
> The egg farmers cut their prices because the distributors wouldn't buy at
> a? higher price than they were selling eggs for.
>
> Anyway, they had full warehouses and wouldn't need eggs for quite a while.
>
> And those chickens kept on laying.
>
> Eventually, the egg farmers cut their prices because they were throwing
> away? eggs they couldn't sell.
>
> The distributors started buying again because the eggs were priced to
> where? the stores could afford to sell them at the lower price.
>
> And the ! customers starting buying by the dozen again.
>
> Now, transpose this analogy to the gasoline industry. What if everyone
> only bought $10.00 worth of gas each time they pulled to the pump?

 ?The dealers? tanks would stay semi full all the time. The dealers wouldn't

 ?have room? for > the gas coming from the huge tank farms. The tank farms

 ?wouldn't have room? for the gas coming from the refining plants. And the

 ?refining plants? wouldn't have room for the oil being off loaded from the 
huge

 ?tankers? coming? from the Middle East.
>
> Just?purchase?$10.00 each time you buy gas. Don't fill it up. You may have

 ?to stop? for gas twice a week but, the price should come down.
>
> Think about it.
>
> As an added note...When I buy $10.00 worth of gas, that leaves my tank a
> little under half full. The way prices are jumping around, you can buy gas
> for $2.65 a gallon and then the next morning it can be $2.15. If you have
> your tank full of $2.65 gas you don't have room for the $2.15 gas.
>
> You might not understand the economics of only buying two eggs at a time
> but, you can't buy cheaper gas if your tank is full of the high priced
> stuff.

 ?

 ?
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Oct  2 09:53:19 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Oct  2 09:59:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Parable Worth Considering!
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV6FCE6F92E5F6BCC2F865AAB810@phx.gbl>

Yeaaah!!!

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Alittlehawk@aol.com
Sent: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 01:11:22 -0700
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Parable Worth Considering!


A Parable Worth Considering!

 

 A man eats two eggs each morning for breakfast. When he goes to the
> grocery
> store he pays 60 cents a dozen. Since a dozen eggs won't last a week he
> normally buys two dozen at a time.
>
> One day while buying eggs he notices that the price has risen to 72 cents.
> The next time he buys groceries, eggs are .76 cents a dozen.
>
> When asked to explain the price of eggs the store owner says, "the price
> has gone up and I have to raise my price accordingly".
>
> This store buys 100 dozen eggs a day. I checked around for a better price
> and all the distributors have raised their prices.
>
> The distributors have begun to buy from the huge egg farms. The small egg
> farms have been driven out of business.
>
> The huge egg farms sells 100,000 dozen eggs a day to distributors. With no
> competition, they can set the price as they see fit.
>
> The distributors then have to raise their prices to the grocery stores.
> And on and on and on.
>
> As the man kept buying eggs the price kept going up. He saw the big egg
> trucks delivering 100 dozen eggs each day. Nothing changed there.
>
> He checked out the huge egg farms and found they were selling 100,000
> dozen eggs to the distributors daily.
>
> Nothing had changed but the price of eggs.
>
> Then week before Thanksgiving the price of eggs shot up to $1.00 a dozen.
> Again he asked the grocery owner why and was told, "cakes and baking for
> the holiday". The huge egg farmers know there will be a lot of baking going 
on
> and more eggs will be used. Hence, the price of eggs goes up.
>
> Expect the same thing at Christmas and other times when family cooking and
> baking happen.
>
> This ! pattern continues until the price of eggs is 2.00 a dozen. The man
> says,"there must be something we can do about the price of eggs".
>
> He starts talking to all the people in his town and they decide to stop
> buying eggs. This didn't work because everyone needed eggs.
>
> Finally, the man suggested only buying what you need. He ate 2 eggs a day.
> On the way home from work he would stop at the grocery and buy two eggs
> Everyone in town started buying 2 or 3 eggs a day.
>
> The grocery store owner began complaining that he had too many eggs in his
> cooler. He told the distributor that he didn't need any eggs. Maybe
> wouldn't need any all week.


> The distributor had eggs piling up at his warehouse. He told the huge egg
> farms that he didn't have any room for eggs would not need any for at
> least two weeks.
>
> At the egg farm, the chickens just kept on laying eggs.
>
> To relieve the pressure, the huge egg farm told the distributor that they
> could buy the eggs at a lower price. The distributor said, " don't have
> the room for the eggs even if they were free".
>
> The distributor told the grocery store owner that he would lower the price
> of the eggs if the store would start buying again.
>
> The grocery store owner said, "I don't have room for more eggs. The
> customers are only buy 2 or 3 eggs at a time".
>
> "Now if you were to drop the price of eggs back down to the original
> price, the customers would start buying by the dozen again".
>
> The distributors sent that proposal to the huge egg farmers. They liked
> the price they were getting for their eggs but, those chickens just kept 
on
> laying.
>
> Finally, the egg farmers lowered the price of their eggs. But only a few
> cents.
>
> The customers still bought 2 or 3 eggs at a time. They said, "when the
> price of eggs gets down to where it was before we will start buying by the
> dozen.
>
> Slowly the price of eggs started dropping. The distributors had to slash
> their prices to make room for the eggs coming from the egg farmers.
>
> The egg farmers cut their prices because the distributors wouldn't buy at
> a higher price than they were selling eggs for.
>
> Anyway, they had full warehouses and wouldn't need eggs for quite a while.
>
> And those chickens kept on laying.
>
> Eventually, the egg farmers cut their prices because they were throwing
> away eggs they couldn't sell.
>
> The distributors started buying again because the eggs were priced to
> where the stores could afford to sell them at the lower price.
>
> And the ! customers starting buying by the dozen again.
>
> Now, transpose this analogy to the gasoline industry. What if everyone
> only bought $10.00 worth of gas each time they pulled to the pump?

 The dealers tanks would stay semi full all the time. The dealers wouldn't

 have room for > the gas coming from the huge tank farms. The tank farms

 wouldn't have room for the gas coming from the refining plants. And the

 refining plants wouldn't have room for the oil being off loaded from the 
huge

 tankers coming from the Middle East.
>
> Justpurchase$10.00 each time you buy gas. Don't fill it up. You may have

 to stop for gas twice a week but, the price should come down.
>
> Think about it.
>
> As an added note...When I buy $10.00 worth of gas, that leaves my tank a
> little under half full. The way prices are jumping around, you can buy gas
> for $2.65 a gallon and then the next morning it can be $2.15. If you have
> your tank full of $2.65 gas you don't have room for the $2.15 gas.
>
> You might not understand the economics of only buying two eggs at a time
> but, you can't buy cheaper gas if your tank is full of the high priced
> stuff.


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  2 12:37:48 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sun Oct  2 12:44:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
Message-ID: <BAY104-F296A41167B296676E20B9AB2810@phx.gbl>

Hi all -

I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni. 
Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion 
in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans of 
the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of 
the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This last 
is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures the 
astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography came 
back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at this 
url:

http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html

In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent 
me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few 
audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April, 
and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be entitled 
to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what they 
have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises 
waiting in the wings.

Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From swiggard at comcast.net  Sun Oct  2 13:36:52 2005
From: swiggard at comcast.net (William Swiggard)
Date: Sun Oct  2 13:44:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Archive update 10-2-05
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F296A41167B296676E20B9AB2810@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F296A41167B296676E20B9AB2810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <434044E4.2020005@comcast.net>

Oh Nina....WOW!  This is the best update EVER!  What superb time travel!

You have been VERY busy, I see, organizing and labeling a huge number of 
photos.

 Great job!  It rocks!  Thanks for all your hard work (and not just on 
this....)

Peace, Love, Freedom, and...uh...WOW!!!!
I'm speechless!
Dr. Bill
From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Oct  2 14:23:26 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sun Oct  2 14:29:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
References: <BAY104-F296A41167B296676E20B9AB2810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000f01c5c797$86dd3400$53bc2041@CowBox>

Nina

Thank God for you sweetheart, what a wonderful job you are doing preserving 
our treasured memories.

Love forever
Robin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Cc: <dayton3@rcn.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update


> Hi all -
>
> I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni. 
> Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September 
> reunion in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's 
> photos, scans of the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 
> 38 second movie of the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of 
> the evening. This last is a large file, but well worth the wait while it 
> downloads. It captures the astounding fact that 35+ years later all the 
> harmonies and choreography came back to us all! You can access the reunion 
> part of the site directly at this url:
>
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html
>
> In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent 
> me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few 
> audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April, 
> and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be 
> entitled to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to 
> show what they have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many 
> other surprises waiting in the wings.
>
> Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> Love,
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair 

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Oct  2 14:59:42 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Oct  2 15:06:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F296A41167B296676E20B9AB2810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BF65A65E.242EE%michael@michaelbutler.com>

FABULOUS!!!
THANKS SO MUCH
PEACE AND LOVE,
MICHAEL

> Hi all -
> 
> I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
> Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion
> in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans of
> the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of
> the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This last
> is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures the
> astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography came
> back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at this
> url:
> 
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.
> html
> 
> In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
> me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
> audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
> and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be entitled
> to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what they
> have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises
> waiting in the wings.
> 
> Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> Love,
> Nina
> 
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> 
> 
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Oct  2 15:10:33 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Oct  2 15:16:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1F4575B61012FBD86859DAB810@phx.gbl>

Nina....

I second the words of Robin and Dr. Bill... :-)

thank you and love,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin McNamara
Sent: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:23:26 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update

Nina

Thank God for you sweetheart, what a wonderful job you are doing preserving 
our treasured memories.

Love forever
Robin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Cc: <dayton3@rcn.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update


> Hi all -
>
> I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni. 
> Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September 
> reunion in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's 
> photos, scans of the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 
> 38 second movie of the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of 
> the evening. This last is a large file, but well worth the wait while it 
> downloads. It captures the astounding fact that 35+ years later all the 
> harmonies and choreography came back to us all! You can access the reunion 
> part of the site directly at this url:
>
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html
>
> In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent 
> me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few 
> audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April, 
> and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be 
> entitled to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to 
> show what they have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many 
> other surprises waiting in the wings.
>
> Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> Love,
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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From michael at intrafi.com  Sun Oct  2 16:23:13 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sun Oct  2 16:29:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The dark side of faith
Message-ID: <31832765.1128295393395.JavaMail.turbine@s76>

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--------------------
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--------------------

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October 1 2005

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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  2 16:52:13 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sun Oct  2 16:58:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV1F4575B61012FBD86859DAB810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2931473306B6BB9F853501B2810@phx.gbl>

Dear Bill, Robin, Michael, and Barbara,

Thank you so much for your very kind words.

Sincer posting earlier I have added a section of Merediths reunion photos, 
plus all of Robin and Suzie's reunion photos with captions. More coming 
tomorrow.

Thanks and love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From goodhairdays at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  2 17:08:46 2005
From: goodhairdays at yahoo.com (Jonathon Johnson)
Date: Sun Oct  2 17:15:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F296A41167B296676E20B9AB2810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051003000846.30389.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com>

Bravo Nina....thank you so much for all your hard work and efforts. Most especially wonderful
for those of us who couldn't make it. Feel as though I was there.
 
Love ~ Jonathon

Little Birdie <lbirdie@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi all -

I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni. 
Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion 
in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans of 
the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of 
the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This last 
is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures the 
astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography came 
back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at this 
url:

http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html

In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent 
me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few 
audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April, 
and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be entitled 
to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what they 
have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises 
waiting in the wings.

Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


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From: bev at beverlybremers.com (Beverly Bremers)
Date: Sun Oct  2 21:54:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
Message-ID: <20051003020912.4B4C42F8DB@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>

Me too, Nina. You're the greatest!!!

Bev


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:10:33 GMT

> 
> Nina....
> 
> I second the words of Robin and Dr. Bill... :-)
> 
> thank you and love,
> barbara
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin McNamara
> Sent: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:23:26 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
> 
> Nina
> 
> Thank God for you sweetheart, what a wonderful job you are doing preserving
> our treasured memories.
> 
> Love forever
> Robin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Cc: <dayton3@rcn.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:37 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
> 
> 
> > Hi all -
> >
> > I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni. 
> > Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion 
> > in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans of 
> > the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of 
> > the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This last 
> > is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures the 
> > astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography came 
> > back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at this 
> > url:
> >
> > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html
> >
> > In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent 
> > me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few 
> > audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April, 
> > and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be entitled 
> > to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what they 
> > have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises 
> > waiting in the wings.
> >
> > Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> > Love,
> > Nina
> >
> > The Hair Archives
> > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Sun Oct  2 23:39:39 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Sun Oct  2 23:45:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
Message-ID: <380-22005101363939154@M2W063.mail2web.com>

Thank you, Nina-Birdie, sounds fabulous! 
also sounds like a tremendous amount of work, 
but we know you have the know-how and energy to do it
and a big THANKS to all who submitted pictures etc!!

Love
 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:37:48 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com, dayton3@rcn.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update


Hi all -

I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni. 
Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion 
in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans
of 
the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of 
the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This
last 
is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures
the 
astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography
came 
back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at
this 
url:

http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Inde
x.html

In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent 
me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few 
audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April, 
and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be
entitled 
to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what
they 
have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises 
waiting in the wings.

Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


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From nycrjmac at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  3 05:23:15 2005
From: nycrjmac at yahoo.com (RJ Mac)
Date: Mon Oct  3 05:29:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
In-Reply-To: <380-22005101363939154@M2W063.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <20051003122316.46170.qmail@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Major appreciation from me to all who created the
reunion: Nina, Walter Michael, Michael B., Michael
Arian, Ellen Stewart and the man others I am not
personally familiar with...

Nina, the Online Archive has always been tremendous. 
Of course, you have a good subject to archive, that
helps alot.  And your design and organization of it is
tremendous.

And a special thanks to Dauber for the excellent
Aquarius video.  One of the most magical events I've
participated in, now on record.

rj


		
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  3 08:58:15 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Mon Oct  3 09:04:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
In-Reply-To: <380-22005101363939154@M2W063.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F320362A14D2B645E74772BB2800@phx.gbl>

Thank you Jonathon, Beverly, Dagmar, and Ross for the compliments. They are 
appreciated.

I have added several hundred more photos of the reunion, taken by Meredith, 
Leo, Robin, and their significant others. These are all captioned now, so 
that you can tell who everyone is. As Dagmar said - THANK YOU to everyone 
who has sent me photos for the Archives, or has allowed me to use theirs for 
this purpose. But there are still so many people there that we don't have 
photos of. If you have photos that you aren't sending me because you think 
they're not good enough, or have already been covered by another 
photographer, please think again and send them - you never know when someone 
in the background or on the side of a photo will turn out to be someone we 
have no other photo of. For instance, those who stood or sat near the head 
table during the speaches are well represented, but those of you who were 
sitting near the stage are not. I have only one photo of Sally Shafer and 
one of Elizabeth Caveness Esquibel. :-( And no photos at all of Steve and 
Cindy Gamet, George Garcia, Gina Harding, Ted Parkins, Zora Rassmussen, 
Danny Miller, Barbara Moore,Michael Hamilton, Charles Weldon, Leland Berner, 
Kathy Nixon, Stephen Fenning, Susie Marn, Anne Ippolito,  Brenda Cooley, and 
many, many other people who were there but have not (yet!) turned up in 
photos (or haven't been correctly  identified). Sherwin, may I put your 
photos up as well? At least Sally will be better represented then.

In addition, please take a look and let me know via email to dayton3@rcn if 
you can identify someone not identified in the photos up online, or if 
anyone is misidentified!

So thank you to all who have sent photos and video, and please keep them 
coming. Everyone who was there must be on someone's camera, even if only 
their own.
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From akrpan at earthlink.net  Mon Oct  3 12:31:07 2005
From: akrpan at earthlink.net (Anita Krpan)
Date: Mon Oct  3 12:37:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
In-Reply-To: <200510031900.j93J0Anl003496@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <DFEGJJOAKCHAKGLIFHHHGEMNDFAA.akrpan@earthlink.net>

Nina,

What an extraordinary job you've done for all of us!  The reunion was a
blast
but it just went by in a blink of an eye.  Thanks to everyone for sending in
pictures
so we all can enjoy them.  And the "Aquarius" video. . . .I still have goose
bumps!
I love and miss all of you and hope to be able to visit and catch up soon.
Thanks
again Nina for all the love and hard work.

Anita Krpan

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   4. Re: Big Archives web site update (Michael Butler)
   5. Re: Big Archives web site update (Barbara Siomos)
   6. The dark side of faith (michael@intrafi.com)
   7. Re: Big Archives web site update (Little Birdie)
   8. Re: Big Archives web site update (Jonathon Johnson)
   9. Re: Big Archives web site update (Beverly Bremers)
  10. RE: Big Archives web site update (fotoblue@flash.net)
  11. RE: Big Archives web site update (RJ Mac)
  12. RE: Big Archives web site update (Little Birdie)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:37:48 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Cc: dayton3@rcn.com
Message-ID: <BAY104-F296A41167B296676E20B9AB2810@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Hi all -

I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion
in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans of
the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of
the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This last
is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures the
astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography came
back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at this
url:

http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Inde
x.html

In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be entitled
to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what they
have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises
waiting in the wings.

Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html




------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:36:52 -0400
From: William Swiggard <swiggard@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Archive update 10-2-05
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <434044E4.2020005@comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Oh Nina....WOW!  This is the best update EVER!  What superb time travel!

You have been VERY busy, I see, organizing and labeling a huge number of
photos.

 Great job!  It rocks!  Thanks for all your hard work (and not just on
this....)

Peace, Love, Freedom, and...uh...WOW!!!!
I'm speechless!
Dr. Bill


------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:23:26 -0400
From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c5c797$86dd3400$53bc2041@CowBox>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
        reply-type=response

Nina

Thank God for you sweetheart, what a wonderful job you are doing preserving
our treasured memories.

Love forever
Robin




----- Original Message -----
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Cc: <dayton3@rcn.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update


> Hi all -
>
> I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
> Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September
> reunion in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's
> photos, scans of the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute
> 38 second movie of the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of
> the evening. This last is a large file, but well worth the wait while it
> downloads. It captures the astounding fact that 35+ years later all the
> harmonies and choreography came back to us all! You can access the reunion
> part of the site directly at this url:
>
>
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Inde
x.html
>
> In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
> me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
> audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
> and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be
> entitled to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to
> show what they have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many
> other surprises waiting in the wings.
>
> Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> Love,
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:59:42 -0700
From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Message-ID: <BF65A65E.242EE%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

FABULOUS!!!
THANKS SO MUCH
PEACE AND LOVE,
MICHAEL

> Hi all -
>
> I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
> Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September
reunion
> in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans
of
> the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie
of
> the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This
last
> is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures
the
> astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography
came
> back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at
this
> url:
>
>
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Inde
x.
> html
>
> In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
> me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
> audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
> and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be
entitled
> to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what
they
> have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises
> waiting in the wings.
>
> Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> Love,
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:10:33 GMT
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1F4575B61012FBD86859DAB810@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain

Nina....

I second the words of Robin and Dr. Bill... :-)

thank you and love,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Robin McNamara
Sent: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:23:26 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update

Nina

Thank God for you sweetheart, what a wonderful job you are doing preserving
our treasured memories.

Love forever
Robin




----- Original Message -----
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Cc: <dayton3@rcn.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:37 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update


> Hi all -
>
> I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
> Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September
> reunion in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's
> photos, scans of the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute
> 38 second movie of the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of
> the evening. This last is a large file, but well worth the wait while it
> downloads. It captures the astounding fact that 35+ years later all the
> harmonies and choreography came back to us all! You can access the reunion
> part of the site directly at this url:
>
>
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Inde
x.html
>
> In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
> me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
> audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
> and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be
> entitled to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to
> show what they have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many
> other surprises waiting in the wings.
>
> Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> Love,
> Nina
>
> The Hair Archives
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:23:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: michael@intrafi.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] The dark side of faith
To: mb-civic@islandlists.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com
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This story was sent to you by: michael butler

VERY IMPORTANT STUDY

--------------------
The dark side of faith
--------------------

By ROSA BROOKS

October 1 2005

IT'S OFFICIAL: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing.

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,303457
0.story

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:52:13 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <BAY104-F2931473306B6BB9F853501B2810@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Dear Bill, Robin, Michael, and Barbara,

Thank you so much for your very kind words.

Sincer posting earlier I have added a section of Merediths reunion photos,
plus all of Robin and Suzie's reunion photos with captions. More coming
tomorrow.

Thanks and love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html




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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jonathon Johnson <goodhairdays@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <20051003000846.30389.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Bravo Nina....thank you so much for all your hard work and efforts. Most
especially wonderful
for those of us who couldn't make it. Feel as though I was there.

Love ~ Jonathon

Little Birdie <lbirdie@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi all -

I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion
in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans of
the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of
the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This last
is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures the
astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography came
back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at this
url:

http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Inde
x.html

In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be entitled
to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what they
have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises
waiting in the wings.

Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:09:12 -0800
From: "Beverly Bremers" <bev@beverlybremers.com>
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
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Me too, Nina. You're the greatest!!!

Bev


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:10:33 GMT

>
> Nina....
>
> I second the words of Robin and Dr. Bill... :-)
>
> thank you and love,
> barbara
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robin McNamara
> Sent: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:23:26 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>
> Nina
>
> Thank God for you sweetheart, what a wonderful job you are doing
preserving
> our treasured memories.
>
> Love forever
> Robin
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Cc: <dayton3@rcn.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:37 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>
>
> > Hi all -
> >
> > I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair
alumni.
> > Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September
reunion
> > in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos,
scans of
> > the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie
of
> > the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This
last
> > is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures
the
> > astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography
came
> > back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at
this
> > url:
> >
> >
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Inde
x.html
> >
> > In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have
sent
> > me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
> > audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from
April,
> > and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be
entitled
> > to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what
they
> > have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other
surprises
> > waiting in the wings.
> >
> > Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> > Love,
> > Nina
> >
> > The Hair Archives
> > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
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>
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:39:39 -0400
From: "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <380-22005101363939154@M2W063.mail2web.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Thank you, Nina-Birdie, sounds fabulous!
also sounds like a tremendous amount of work,
but we know you have the know-how and energy to do it
and a big THANKS to all who submitted pictures etc!!

Love
 Dagmar

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:37:48 +0000
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com, dayton3@rcn.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update


Hi all -

I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion
in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans
of
the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of
the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This
last
is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures
the
astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography
came
back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at
this
url:

http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Inde
x.html

In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be
entitled
to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what
they
have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises
waiting in the wings.

Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:23:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: RJ Mac <nycrjmac@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
To: fotoblue@flash.net, mb-hair@islandlists.com
Message-ID: <20051003122316.46170.qmail@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Major appreciation from me to all who created the
reunion: Nina, Walter Michael, Michael B., Michael
Arian, Ellen Stewart and the man others I am not
personally familiar with...

Nina, the Online Archive has always been tremendous.
Of course, you have a good subject to archive, that
helps alot.  And your design and organization of it is
tremendous.

And a special thanks to Dauber for the excellent
Aquarius video.  One of the most magical events I've
participated in, now on record.

rj



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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:58:15 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Cc: dayton3@rcn.com
Message-ID: <BAY104-F320362A14D2B645E74772BB2800@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Thank you Jonathon, Beverly, Dagmar, and Ross for the compliments. They are
appreciated.

I have added several hundred more photos of the reunion, taken by Meredith,
Leo, Robin, and their significant others. These are all captioned now, so
that you can tell who everyone is. As Dagmar said - THANK YOU to everyone
who has sent me photos for the Archives, or has allowed me to use theirs for
this purpose. But there are still so many people there that we don't have
photos of. If you have photos that you aren't sending me because you think
they're not good enough, or have already been covered by another
photographer, please think again and send them - you never know when someone
in the background or on the side of a photo will turn out to be someone we
have no other photo of. For instance, those who stood or sat near the head
table during the speaches are well represented, but those of you who were
sitting near the stage are not. I have only one photo of Sally Shafer and
one of Elizabeth Caveness Esquibel. :-( And no photos at all of Steve and
Cindy Gamet, George Garcia, Gina Harding, Ted Parkins, Zora Rassmussen,
Danny Miller, Barbara Moore,Michael Hamilton, Charles Weldon, Leland Berner,
Kathy Nixon, Stephen Fenning, Susie Marn, Anne Ippolito,  Brenda Cooley, and
many, many other people who were there but have not (yet!) turned up in
photos (or haven't been correctly  identified). Sherwin, may I put your
photos up as well? At least Sally will be better represented then.

In addition, please take a look and let me know via email to dayton3@rcn if
you can identify someone not identified in the photos up online, or if
anyone is misidentified!

So thank you to all who have sent photos and video, and please keep them
coming. Everyone who was there must be on someone's camera, even if only
their own.
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html




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From lilacamy11 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  3 12:42:23 2005
From: lilacamy11 at yahoo.com (Amy Kazan)
Date: Mon Oct  3 12:48:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Archive update
Message-ID: <20051003194224.55553.qmail@web34503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nina you did such great work with that... I felt like
I was there!:)Amazing... and thank you

-Amy

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the musical)


		
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From elizabethesquibel at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  3 17:13:25 2005
From: elizabethesquibel at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Esquibel)
Date: Mon Oct  3 17:19:49 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archive web site update
In-Reply-To: <200510031900.j93J0Anm003496@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <BAY107-F309D83C486E1ABD9FAF777BF830@phx.gbl>

Oh my gosh Nina God Bless you for all of your hard work!!!  I felt like I 
spent the evening with all of you again today!  Thanks everyone for your 
photos.

I know I'm laggin' on the video tape Nina. I will get right on it. Also, 
thank you so much for hooking me up with Janice Dobbs from the Mercury tour. 
  We had an absoulute Blast and are now very good friends, keeping in touch. 
( thank you too, my friend Jonathon.)

Love & Peace Forever~Elizabeth Caveness~Esquibel


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>    3. Re: Big Archives web site update (Robin McNamara)
>    4. Re: Big Archives web site update (Michael Butler)
>    5. Re: Big Archives web site update (Barbara Siomos)
>    6. The dark side of faith (michael@intrafi.com)
>    7. Re: Big Archives web site update (Little Birdie)
>    8. Re: Big Archives web site update (Jonathon Johnson)
>    9. Re: Big Archives web site update (Beverly Bremers)
>   10. RE: Big Archives web site update (fotoblue@flash.net)
>   11. RE: Big Archives web site update (RJ Mac)
>   12. RE: Big Archives web site update (Little Birdie)
>
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>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:37:48 +0000
>From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Cc: dayton3@rcn.com
>Message-ID: <BAY104-F296A41167B296676E20B9AB2810@phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>Hi all -
>
>I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
>Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion
>in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans 
>of
>the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of
>the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This 
>last
>is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures 
>the
>astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography 
>came
>back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at 
>this
>url:
>
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html
>
>In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
>me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
>audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
>and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be 
>entitled
>to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what 
>they
>have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises
>waiting in the wings.
>
>Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
>Love,
>Nina
>
>The Hair Archives
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 16:36:52 -0400
>From: William Swiggard <swiggard@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Archive update 10-2-05
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Message-ID: <434044E4.2020005@comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Oh Nina....WOW!  This is the best update EVER!  What superb time travel!
>
>You have been VERY busy, I see, organizing and labeling a huge number of
>photos.
>
>  Great job!  It rocks!  Thanks for all your hard work (and not just on
>this....)
>
>Peace, Love, Freedom, and...uh...WOW!!!!
>I'm speechless!
>Dr. Bill
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:23:26 -0400
>From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Message-ID: <000f01c5c797$86dd3400$53bc2041@CowBox>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>	reply-type=response
>
>Nina
>
>Thank God for you sweetheart, what a wonderful job you are doing preserving
>our treasured memories.
>
>Love forever
>Robin
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Cc: <dayton3@rcn.com>
>Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:37 PM
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>
>
> > Hi all -
> >
> > I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair 
>alumni.
> > Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September
> > reunion in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's
> > photos, scans of the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 
>minute
> > 38 second movie of the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of
> > the evening. This last is a large file, but well worth the wait while it
> > downloads. It captures the astounding fact that 35+ years later all the
> > harmonies and choreography came back to us all! You can access the 
>reunion
> > part of the site directly at this url:
> >
> > 
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html
> >
> > In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have 
>sent
> > me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
> > audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from 
>April,
> > and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be
> > entitled to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to
> > show what they have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many
> > other surprises waiting in the wings.
> >
> > Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> > Love,
> > Nina
> >
> > The Hair Archives
> > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
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>
>
>
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>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 14:59:42 -0700
>From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>To: HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Message-ID: <BF65A65E.242EE%michael@michaelbutler.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>FABULOUS!!!
>THANKS SO MUCH
>PEACE AND LOVE,
>MICHAEL
>
> > Hi all -
> >
> > I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair 
>alumni.
> > Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September 
>reunion
> > in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, 
>scans of
> > the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie 
>of
> > the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This 
>last
> > is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures 
>the
> > astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography 
>came
> > back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at 
>this
> > url:
> >
> > 
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.
> > html
> >
> > In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have 
>sent
> > me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
> > audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from 
>April,
> > and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be 
>entitled
> > to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what 
>they
> > have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other 
>surprises
> > waiting in the wings.
> >
> > Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> > Love,
> > Nina
> >
> > The Hair Archives
> > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:10:33 GMT
>From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1F4575B61012FBD86859DAB810@phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain
>
>Nina....
>
>I second the words of Robin and Dr. Bill... :-)
>
>thank you and love,
>barbara
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Robin McNamara
>Sent: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:23:26 -0700
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>
>Nina
>
>Thank God for you sweetheart, what a wonderful job you are doing preserving
>our treasured memories.
>
>Love forever
>Robin
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
>To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Cc: <dayton3@rcn.com>
>Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:37 PM
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>
>
> > Hi all -
> >
> > I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair 
>alumni.
> > Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September
> > reunion in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's
> > photos, scans of the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 
>minute
> > 38 second movie of the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of
> > the evening. This last is a large file, but well worth the wait while it
> > downloads. It captures the astounding fact that 35+ years later all the
> > harmonies and choreography came back to us all! You can access the 
>reunion
> > part of the site directly at this url:
> >
> > 
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html
> >
> > In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have 
>sent
> > me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
> > audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from 
>April,
> > and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be
> > entitled to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to
> > show what they have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many
> > other surprises waiting in the wings.
> >
> > Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> > Love,
> > Nina
> >
> > The Hair Archives
> > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> >
> >
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:23:13 -0700 (PDT)
>From: michael@intrafi.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] The dark side of faith
>To: mb-civic@islandlists.com, mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Message-ID: <31832765.1128295393395.JavaMail.turbine@s76>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>This story was sent to you by: michael butler
>
>VERY IMPORTANT STUDY
>
>--------------------
>The dark side of faith
>--------------------
>
>By ROSA BROOKS
>
>October 1 2005
>
>IT'S OFFICIAL: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing.
>
>The complete article can be viewed at:
>http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,0,3034570.story
>
>Visit latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com
>
>
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>
>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 23:52:13 +0000
>From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Message-ID: <BAY104-F2931473306B6BB9F853501B2810@phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>Dear Bill, Robin, Michael, and Barbara,
>
>Thank you so much for your very kind words.
>
>Sincer posting earlier I have added a section of Merediths reunion photos,
>plus all of Robin and Suzie's reunion photos with captions. More coming
>tomorrow.
>
>Thanks and love,
>Nina
>
>The Hair Archives
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 17:08:46 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Jonathon Johnson <goodhairdays@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Message-ID: <20051003000846.30389.qmail@web53406.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Bravo Nina....thank you so much for all your hard work and efforts. Most 
>especially wonderful
>for those of us who couldn't make it. Feel as though I was there.
>
>Love ~ Jonathon
>
>Little Birdie <lbirdie@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Hi all -
>
>I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
>Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion
>in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans 
>of
>the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of
>the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This 
>last
>is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures 
>the
>astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography 
>came
>back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at 
>this
>url:
>
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html
>
>In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
>me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
>audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
>and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be 
>entitled
>to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what 
>they
>have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises
>waiting in the wings.
>
>Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
>Love,
>Nina
>
>The Hair Archives
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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>Musical HAIR, by Jonathon Johnson. For more information on the book and how 
>to order it, visit www.goodhairdays.net.
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:09:12 -0800
>From: "Beverly Bremers" <bev@beverlybremers.com>
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Message-ID: <20051003020912.4B4C42F8DB@ws6-3.us4.outblaze.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>Me too, Nina. You're the greatest!!!
>
>Bev
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:10:33 GMT
>
> >
> > Nina....
> >
> > I second the words of Robin and Dr. Bill... :-)
> >
> > thank you and love,
> > barbara
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robin McNamara
> > Sent: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:23:26 -0700
> > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
> >
> > Nina
> >
> > Thank God for you sweetheart, what a wonderful job you are doing 
>preserving
> > our treasured memories.
> >
> > Love forever
> > Robin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> > To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> > Cc: <dayton3@rcn.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:37 PM
> > Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
> >
> >
> > > Hi all -
> > >
> > > I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair 
>alumni.
> > > Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September 
>reunion
> > > in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, 
>scans of
> > > the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second 
>movie of
> > > the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. 
>This last
> > > is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It 
>captures the
> > > astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and 
>choreography came
> > > back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly 
>at this
> > > url:
> > >
> > > 
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html
> > >
> > > In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have 
>sent
> > > me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a 
>few
> > > audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from 
>April,
> > > and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be 
>entitled
> > > to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show 
>what they
> > > have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other 
>surprises
> > > waiting in the wings.
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> > > Love,
> > > Nina
> > >
> > > The Hair Archives
> > > http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Mb-hair mailing list
> > > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
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>
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>www.beverlybremers.com
>www.voicercise.net
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:39:39 -0400
>From: "fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net>
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Message-ID: <380-22005101363939154@M2W063.mail2web.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Thank you, Nina-Birdie, sounds fabulous!
>also sounds like a tremendous amount of work,
>but we know you have the know-how and energy to do it
>and a big THANKS to all who submitted pictures etc!!
>
>Love
>  Dagmar
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: Little Birdie lbirdie@hotmail.com
>Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:37:48 +0000
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com, dayton3@rcn.com
>Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>
>
>Hi all -
>
>I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
>Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion
>in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans
>of
>the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of
>the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This
>last
>is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures
>the
>astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography
>came
>back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at
>this
>url:
>
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Inde
>x.html
>
>In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
>me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
>audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
>and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be
>entitled
>to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what
>they
>have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises
>waiting in the wings.
>
>Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
>Love,
>Nina
>
>The Hair Archives
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
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>
>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:23:15 -0700 (PDT)
>From: RJ Mac <nycrjmac@yahoo.com>
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>To: fotoblue@flash.net, mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Message-ID: <20051003122316.46170.qmail@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>Major appreciation from me to all who created the
>reunion: Nina, Walter Michael, Michael B., Michael
>Arian, Ellen Stewart and the man others I am not
>personally familiar with...
>
>Nina, the Online Archive has always been tremendous.
>Of course, you have a good subject to archive, that
>helps alot.  And your design and organization of it is
>tremendous.
>
>And a special thanks to Dauber for the excellent
>Aquarius video.  One of the most magical events I've
>participated in, now on record.
>
>rj
>
>
>
>__________________________________
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>http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:58:15 +0000
>From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
>To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>Cc: dayton3@rcn.com
>Message-ID: <BAY104-F320362A14D2B645E74772BB2800@phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
>Thank you Jonathon, Beverly, Dagmar, and Ross for the compliments. They are
>appreciated.
>
>I have added several hundred more photos of the reunion, taken by Meredith,
>Leo, Robin, and their significant others. These are all captioned now, so
>that you can tell who everyone is. As Dagmar said - THANK YOU to everyone
>who has sent me photos for the Archives, or has allowed me to use theirs 
>for
>this purpose. But there are still so many people there that we don't have
>photos of. If you have photos that you aren't sending me because you think
>they're not good enough, or have already been covered by another
>photographer, please think again and send them - you never know when 
>someone
>in the background or on the side of a photo will turn out to be someone we
>have no other photo of. For instance, those who stood or sat near the head
>table during the speaches are well represented, but those of you who were
>sitting near the stage are not. I have only one photo of Sally Shafer and
>one of Elizabeth Caveness Esquibel. :-( And no photos at all of Steve and
>Cindy Gamet, George Garcia, Gina Harding, Ted Parkins, Zora Rassmussen,
>Danny Miller, Barbara Moore,Michael Hamilton, Charles Weldon, Leland 
>Berner,
>Kathy Nixon, Stephen Fenning, Susie Marn, Anne Ippolito,  Brenda Cooley, 
>and
>many, many other people who were there but have not (yet!) turned up in
>photos (or haven't been correctly  identified). Sherwin, may I put your
>photos up as well? At least Sally will be better represented then.
>
>In addition, please take a look and let me know via email to dayton3@rcn if
>you can identify someone not identified in the photos up online, or if
>anyone is misidentified!
>
>So thank you to all who have sent photos and video, and please keep them
>coming. Everyone who was there must be on someone's camera, even if only
>their own.
>Love,
>Nina
>
>The Hair Archives
>http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Mon Oct  3 19:18:04 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Mon Oct  3 19:24:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Big Archives web site update
References: <200510031900.j93J0Anl003496@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <004b01c5c889$da42c1d0$6401a8c0@Leo>

Wow Nina, what a great surprise to see this!! I am absolutely blown away; 
you are a treasure to be sure! I echo all the compliments to you and those 
who help organize this wondrous event and to all the contributors. That 
AQUARIUS footage was outasite Dauber man. And Nina, I really loved the fact 
that you took the time to identify the HAIR freaks who were there. Much 
appreciated.
I kept asking people if Steve & Cindy Gamet were there and was told they 
hadn't arrived. I hope someone has a picture of them somewhere.
Fantastic job Nina!

PEACE,
Leo
----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
> Hi all -
>
> I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni.
> Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September 
> reunion
> in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans 
> of
> the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie 
> of
> the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This 
> last
> is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures 
> the
> astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography 
> came
> back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at 
> this
> url:
>
> http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html
>
> In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent
> me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
> audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April,
> and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be 
> entitled
> to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what 
> they
> have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises
> waiting in the wings.
>
> Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> Love,
> Nina


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct  3 19:33:03 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct  3 19:39:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Big Archives web site update
References: <200510031900.j93J0Anl003496@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
	<004b01c5c889$da42c1d0$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <000c01c5c88b$f28db630$f1476c42@hotprojects>

yes i was just looking at it myself
three cheers for nina and all her hard work
hair hair hurrah
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:18 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Big Archives web site update


> Wow Nina, what a great surprise to see this!! I am absolutely blown away;
> you are a treasure to be sure! I echo all the compliments to you and those
> who help organize this wondrous event and to all the contributors. That
> AQUARIUS footage was outasite Dauber man. And Nina, I really loved the
fact
> that you took the time to identify the HAIR freaks who were there. Much
> appreciated.
> I kept asking people if Steve & Cindy Gamet were there and was told they
> hadn't arrived. I hope someone has a picture of them somewhere.
> Fantastic job Nina!
>
> PEACE,
> Leo
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
> > Hi all -
> >
> > I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair
alumni.
> > Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September
> > reunion
> > in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos,
scans
> > of
> > the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie
> > of
> > the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This
> > last
> > is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures
> > the
> > astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography
> > came
> > back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at
> > this
> > url:
> >
> >
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.html
> >
> > In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have
sent
> > me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few
> > audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from
April,
> > and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be
> > entitled
> > to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what
> > they
> > have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other
surprises
> > waiting in the wings.
> >
> > Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
> > Love,
> > Nina
>
>
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Oct  3 19:25:34 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Tue Oct  4 05:58:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] All I The Name You Give It
Message-ID: <BF67362E.2438F%michael@michaelbutler.com>


Michael Butler's Blog

http://www.michaelbutler.com/mbblog.html


From cpreston2 at tds.net  Tue Oct  4 09:05:00 2005
From: cpreston2 at tds.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Tue Oct  4 09:11:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
Message-ID: <00b401c5c8fd$611b7e40$0400a8c0@CHARLES>

Wow!!! Nina you are amazing in how you are able to work the web site. These are incredible works and memories of a fantastic reunion. Wish I could have been there, this makes me feel like I was there. Love to all our HAIR group that made this possible.

Peace, Love, and Blessings 
~~Charles~~
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From songsters at earthlink.net  Tue Oct  4 11:25:09 2005
From: songsters at earthlink.net (Debbie Andrews)
Date: Tue Oct  4 11:32:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Reunion Archives
Message-ID: <f04310100bf68767b8b01@[165.247.25.238]>

Dear Nina,

Thanks for organizing all thoses pictures & names, it's so great to 
scroll through & see everyone again!  I haven't seen/heard Aquarius 
yet but will soon.  Thanks to everyone for your pictures - did we 
have fun or what?

I sent Barry McGuire a picture - he was sorry he couldn't make it & 
he loved the picture of Red Shepherd ( I think they were good 
friends) said he should change his name to "Whitie" !! ? White 
Shepherd....

Swell job, Nina, I knew you were hard at work!

Love. love
Debbie A
From venuetheatre at juno.com  Tue Oct  4 15:47:33 2005
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (venuetheatre@juno.com)
Date: Tue Oct  4 15:55:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 4
Message-ID: <20051004.184733.3496.2.venuetheatre@juno.com>

Re:  Aquarius Video

Yes, thanks Nina, I want more!

What amazes me, is that we all still have the voices, and (*yes Galt) we
are perfectly in time, not a note out of place and no ssssssing all over
the place.
Every breath where it is supposed to be, harmonies galore, even the high
notes (choke).

Gosh we are wonderful.

One hundred voices singing out together.  Chilling...Thrilling....Awe
inspiring.

Corinne

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From michael at intrafi.com  Tue Oct  4 17:59:45 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Tue Oct  4 18:06:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] On gay rights, he's all talk and no action
Message-ID: <6504026.1128473985954.JavaMail.turbine@s78>

This story was sent to you by: michael butler

--------------------
On gay rights, he's all talk and no action 
--------------------

Schwarzenegger could have used the same-sex marriage bill to be a leader. Instead, he stuck his head in the sand.

Robert Scheer

October 4 2005

GOV. ARNOLD Schwarzenegger, it turns out, is just an action figure. Scratch his buff, plastic exterior and you'll find a man who lacks the courage of his convictions &#8212; if he actually has any at all. 

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-scheer4oct04,1,1789129.column?coll=la-news-columns 

Visit latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com
From tiogajoe at juno.com  Tue Oct  4 18:43:03 2005
From: tiogajoe at juno.com (tiogajoe@juno.com)
Date: Tue Oct  4 18:51:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
Message-ID: <20051004.184350.16039.7421@webmail27.lax.untd.com>

Dear Nina,
How wonderful!  Many thanks to you and all who helped you put these groovy pages together!
Let's do it again, so we can take MORE pictures, eh?
Tioga-ly yours,
Sib
=========================================================
Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:37:48 +0000
From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
Hi all -

I have added an entire new section to the web site, aimed at Hair alumni. 
Within that new section is a large section devoted to the September reunion 
in NYC, with over a hundred photos, links to other people's photos, scans of 
the program, and, best of all - Daubers amazing 1 minute 38 second movie of 
the last 3/4 of Aquarius from the sing-a-long part of the evening. This last 
is a large file, but well worth the wait while it downloads. It captures the 
astounding fact that 35+ years later all the harmonies and choreography came 
back to us all! You can access the reunion part of the site directly at this 
url:

http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/alumni/Reunion2005/Reunion2005Index.ht
ml

In the very near future I hope to get up more photos that people have sent 
me (working on Merediths wonderful photos right now), and perhaps a few 
audio clips. Also photos of the LaMaMa Coffee House Chronicles from April, 
and the Bridgeport reunion in May. In addition, Hair alumni will be entitled 
to a page of their ownin this section (in the near future) to show what they 
have been up to since their Hair days, and there are many other surprises 
waiting in the wings.

Let me know what you think, and what I should add!
Love,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html

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From cpreston2 at tds.net  Tue Oct  4 19:08:43 2005
From: cpreston2 at tds.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Tue Oct  4 19:15:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Debbie Reunion Archives
References: <f04310100bf68767b8b01@[165.247.25.238]>
Message-ID: <001801c5c951$b7772560$0400a8c0@CHARLES>

Hi Debbie,

Really good to see your pictures again after meeting you in Bridgeport. Wish 
I could have been there but things did not work out for me coming up to N.Y. 
this time. All of these pictures sure make me feel as though I was there.
Notice that you also e-mail with Barry, I talk with him quite a bite. I have 
talked to him a lot about the reunion an what I know of it. Do you read his 
blogs that he writ's? There great. We have to have another reunion this 
coming year so more of us can get together. We need to plan it now so we can 
all set-a-side the time and save the money to be there and let nothing 
interfere with us getting together.

Peace, Love, & Blessings
~~Charles~~

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Debbie Andrews" <songsters@earthlink.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:25 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Reunion Archives


> Dear Nina,
>
> Thanks for organizing all thoses pictures & names, it's so great to scroll 
> through & see everyone again!  I haven't seen/heard Aquarius yet but will 
> soon.  Thanks to everyone for your pictures - did we have fun or what?
>
> I sent Barry McGuire a picture - he was sorry he couldn't make it & he 
> loved the picture of Red Shepherd ( I think they were good friends) said 
> he should change his name to "Whitie" !! ? White Shepherd....
>
> Swell job, Nina, I knew you were hard at work!
>
> Love. love
> Debbie A
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From cpreston2 at tds.net  Tue Oct  4 21:04:31 2005
From: cpreston2 at tds.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Tue Oct  4 21:11:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Video of Aquarius
Message-ID: <006001c5c961$e4d08a50$0400a8c0@CHARLES>

It is so great to hear Aquarius done by everyone, it gives me that home down HAIR feeling and sends chills through me. It would be great to have the whole song and have it put on CD & DVD and maid available to the Tribe. Remarkable job.
It does take a while to download but it is so well worth it, don't miss this if there is anyway you can download it.
I have the fastest DSL and it took quite a while to download with that.Thanks Daubers for shooting the video, wonderful to see the live action.

Peace, Love, & Blessings to All
~~Charles~~ 
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Wed Oct  5 08:56:09 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Wed Oct  5 09:02:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Bingone
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Tue, 4 Oct 2005
	12:00:09 -0700
Message-ID: <24322-4343F799-238@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>


'Don't be heading over to that new off-Broadway musical, BINGO, to catch
Heather MacRae...  By "mutual consent", she's no longer in the show.

That's not terribly unusual by the way, nowadays, and never a
reflection, necessarily, on the actor. But here's the weider part, in
terms of its producers/director. They've replaced Heather with another
big gal.

But, at the end of August, a pal of mine auditioned for that same part,
all excited. This gal, though, is extraordinarily slim. Which, now,
clearly, is absolutely not how the show's creators, saw that role.

So, the question is, why did they waste even one actor's time,
auditioning for a part she was never going to get? 

As many here know, age is not a factor in getting your hopes up for a
part. And a run in anything, the ability to have a role for a while, is
still manna for many a working actor.

And sad, how easily so many producers and directors, still will,
seemingly willingly, create even a small heartbreak,


Jim Burns

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Oct  5 09:05:11 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Oct  5 09:11:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Bingone
In-Reply-To: <24322-4343F799-238@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BF6947C7.2449F%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Jim,

You are dead right. Casting is such a tough scene if producers have heart.
Unfortunately more producers nowadays are lacking sympatico.

BY THE WAY
Today is Heather's Birthday.

Michael

> 
> 'Don't be heading over to that new off-Broadway musical, BINGO, to catch
> Heather MacRae...  By "mutual consent", she's no longer in the show.
> 
> That's not terribly unusual by the way, nowadays, and never a
> reflection, necessarily, on the actor. But here's the weider part, in
> terms of its producers/director. They've replaced Heather with another
> big gal.
> 
> But, at the end of August, a pal of mine auditioned for that same part,
> all excited. This gal, though, is extraordinarily slim. Which, now,
> clearly, is absolutely not how the show's creators, saw that role.
> 
> So, the question is, why did they waste even one actor's time,
> auditioning for a part she was never going to get?
> 
> As many here know, age is not a factor in getting your hopes up for a
> part. And a run in anything, the ability to have a role for a while, is
> still manna for many a working actor.
> 
> And sad, how easily so many producers and directors, still will,
> seemingly willingly, create even a small heartbreak,
> 
> 
> Jim Burns
> 
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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Wed Oct  5 11:05:56 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Wed Oct  5 11:12:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Video of Aquarius
In-Reply-To: <006001c5c961$e4d08a50$0400a8c0@CHARLES>
References: <006001c5c961$e4d08a50$0400a8c0@CHARLES>
Message-ID: <20051005110556.4uh964d9rksgg8go@208.179.130.20>

Quoting Charles Preston <cpreston2@tds.net>:

> It is so great to hear Aquarius done by everyone, it gives me that 
> home down HAIR feeling and sends chills through me. It would be great 
> to have the whole song and have it put on CD & DVD and maid available 
> to the Tribe. Remarkable job.

Believe me, I've been thinking the same thing...how cool it would be to make a
DVD of the night...of course, I have the Aquarius video, and I also have some
footage of Michael B's speech...I'd love to just gather all the video that was
shot -- I saw LOTS of people with camcorders and digicams and stuff -- 
and just
put as complete a video together as possible, even synching up 
different videos
of the same thing to give the illusion of multiple camera angles...seriously,
if anybody's interested, I'd be happy to give it a go...
From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 14:27:16 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Wed Oct  5 14:33:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Video of Aquarius
In-Reply-To: <20051005110556.4uh964d9rksgg8go@208.179.130.20>
Message-ID: <20051005212716.83612.qmail@web54201.mail.yahoo.com>

That would be soooo cool... And at the end you could have the stills that everyone took with a musical background... and maybe even the attendies names scrolling up.. HA ha OK maybe I'm getting carried away, as I don't really know what it takes to do all that stuff.. but damn that would be a great keepsake.  JIM

Sean Courtney <dauber@banana-and-louie.org> wrote:Quoting Charles Preston :

> It is so great to hear Aquarius done by everyone, it gives me that 
> home down HAIR feeling and sends chills through me. It would be great 
> to have the whole song and have it put on CD & DVD and maid available 
> to the Tribe. Remarkable job.

Believe me, I've been thinking the same thing...how cool it would be to make a
DVD of the night...of course, I have the Aquarius video, and I also have some
footage of Michael B's speech...I'd love to just gather all the video that was
shot -- I saw LOTS of people with camcorders and digicams and stuff -- 
and just
put as complete a video together as possible, even synching up 
different videos
of the same thing to give the illusion of multiple camera angles...seriously,
if anybody's interested, I'd be happy to give it a go...
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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 14:43:53 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Wed Oct  5 14:50:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F2931473306B6BB9F853501B2810@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051005214353.89007.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

OK Nina.. and the list...
My slides are now in the UPS truck on there way to you, (Nina) there are maybe 140 or so photos. I took 5 rolls of slides, but the beginning of the first roll was of the East Village and Roll 5 was Leo, Judy and I in Central Park. Most came out pretty good, a few a blurry.. The next reunion should have camara freindly lighting.. ;) I noticed alot of people were having problems because of the red lights. It's cool though.. seeing everyones picks, as it gives everyone a taste of the reunion through someone elses eyes.. A few of my shots were shot with a fisheye (wide angle) lens, which gives you a slightly warped but near panaramic veiw of the room.
 
And I have to concor with the tribe, Nina.. Kick Ass job getting these up and by letting us know who the people are.. It was really cool for me, cause I went into the online archives and checked out some photos from then and now... by the way was Lynn Kellogg there? (I don't know who she is.. but man.. she was beautiful!.. That was my veiw of women in the 60's, I know they came as they do now, in all shapes, colors and sizes, but she embodied my 60's dream gurl.. ha ha ) Also.. I met this wonderful woman at the reunion.. shorter, black woman, red hat, in many photos though her name escapes me... Who was she and what did she do in what production? Anyone? She was a sweetheart and lastly.. Who was Sir Shadow? Other than a brilliant artist? and his conection to the show? Oh and one other thing... It seems to me there were a few somewhat professional video camara folks there.. What was that for and where are those videos?  
 
Cool... So little questions, so much time.. Stop, wait, reverse that.. JIM

Little Birdie <lbirdie@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear Bill, Robin, Michael, and Barbara,

Thank you so much for your very kind words.

Sincer posting earlier I have added a section of Merediths reunion photos, 
plus all of Robin and Suzie's reunion photos with captions. More coming 
tomorrow.

Thanks and love,
Nina

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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Wed Oct  5 15:17:36 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Wed Oct  5 15:24:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
In-Reply-To: <20051005214353.89007.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20051005214353.89007.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051005151736.4qvi7tycvqz4c8wg@208.179.130.20>

Quoting James Pappaconstantine <georgeberger69@yahoo.com>:

> ) Also.. I met this wonderful woman at the reunion.. shorter, black 
> woman, red hat, in many photos though her name escapes me... Who was 
> she and what did she do in what production? Anyone?

You thinking of Mary Davis, aka Broadway's "Abie Baby"?

From cpreston2 at tds.net  Wed Oct  5 18:35:14 2005
From: cpreston2 at tds.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Wed Oct  5 18:41:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair]Sean,  Big Archives web site update
References: <20051005214353.89007.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
	<20051005151736.4qvi7tycvqz4c8wg@208.179.130.20>
Message-ID: <001f01c5ca16$3483a0a0$0400a8c0@CHARLES>

Sean:

That is Mary Davis, If you look through the photos you will see her name 
under one of the photos with Marc Weiss. She is located in the group of 
photos taken by Bill Swiggard, Robert Camuto, and Nina Machlin Dayton, 
second page next to the last picture of  Michael Butler.
Hope this has been some help.

Peace, Love, & Blessings
~~Charles~~

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Courtney" <dauber@banana-and-louie.org>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update


> Quoting James Pappaconstantine <georgeberger69@yahoo.com>:
>
>> ) Also.. I met this wonderful woman at the reunion.. shorter, black 
>> woman, red hat, in many photos though her name escapes me... Who was she 
>> and what did she do in what production? Anyone?
>
> You thinking of Mary Davis, aka Broadway's "Abie Baby"?
>
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From michael at intrafi.com  Wed Oct  5 18:58:26 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Wed Oct  5 19:04:56 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: A New Measure of Well-Being From a Happy
	Little Kingdom
Message-ID: <20051006015826.229FB11F9C8@lax-gw07.mroute.net>

This page was sent to you by: michael@intrafi.com.

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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 19:18:50 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Wed Oct  5 19:25:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
In-Reply-To: <20051005151736.4qvi7tycvqz4c8wg@208.179.130.20>
Message-ID: <20051006021850.45017.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

Yes... Mary Davis.. So she was in the 68 production???   I really liked her a lot.. She seemed so emotional and you could tell she was smiling inside on out.. She had a great aura and light around her.. I didn't know her but she made me smile just seeing her smile.. I really like people like that.  JIM
 


Sean Courtney <dauber@banana-and-louie.org> wrote:
Quoting James Pappaconstantine :

> ) Also.. I met this wonderful woman at the reunion.. shorter, black 
> woman, red hat, in many photos though her name escapes me... Who was 
> she and what did she do in what production? Anyone?

You thinking of Mary Davis, aka Broadway's "Abie Baby"?

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From cpreston2 at tds.net  Wed Oct  5 19:37:54 2005
From: cpreston2 at tds.net (Charles Preston)
Date: Wed Oct  5 19:44:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Jim,  Big Archives web site update
References: <20051006021850.45017.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003501c5ca1e$f5823cf0$0400a8c0@CHARLES>

Yes Jim, Mary was in the 68 production, she has a personality that really shines. She shined and was an is very brilliant. I was there with her and stay in contact when I can and she still bubbles the lovely aura and light of the person she is.

Peace, Love, & Blessings
~~Charles~~
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Pappaconstantine 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update


  Yes... Mary Davis.. So she was in the 68 production???   I really liked her a lot.. She seemed so emotional and you could tell she was smiling inside on out.. She had a great aura and light around her.. I didn't know her but she made me smile just seeing her smile.. I really like people like that.  JIM



  Sean Courtney <dauber@banana-and-louie.org> wrote:
    Quoting James Pappaconstantine :

    > ) Also.. I met this wonderful woman at the reunion.. shorter, black 
    > woman, red hat, in many photos though her name escapes me... Who was 
    > she and what did she do in what production? Anyone?

    You thinking of Mary Davis, aka Broadway's "Abie Baby"?

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From songsters at earthlink.net  Wed Oct  5 20:37:45 2005
From: songsters at earthlink.net (Debbie Andrews)
Date: Wed Oct  5 20:45:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hi Charles
Message-ID: <f04310100bf6a4c5a59b0@[165.247.26.240]>

Dear Charles,

Hey - we missed you & your Electric Blues jacket at the Be-In ! Look 
forward to seeing you soon, next time we'll organize  early and maybe 
tap all of our friends/family with suit jobs for their frequent flyer 
miles to get tribe members here!

The pictures are So good! I never think pics can capture an event, 
but there are so many candid ones & people in motion ones, that they 
really do capture the magic.
Pls tell me about the blog when you get a chance.



Take good care.
Much Peace & Love,
Debbie
From jameshburns at webtv.net  Thu Oct  6 01:29:40 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Thu Oct  6 01:36:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Jersey Boys...
Message-ID: <9591-4344E074-1239@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>


How sad...  I caught a preview of this new Broadway show tonight, a bio
of Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons...  And one of the many miscues is
how they present folks from the '60s...  Why is it, that so many shows,
and movies, and TV, miss capturing the essence of something so simple?
It's not as ephemeral as dissceting sunlight.

But in a couple of JERSE BOYS sequences with '60s dancing gals, there's
that hostility that bad directors often think is a substitute for
vitality.


One of the things that made the '60s so remarkable, of course, is that
even before the Hippie movement, there was a sense of joy in the best of
rock and roll. Certainly in how young people were embracing it.


Has it become that difficult to buy, or rent, one of the myriad copies
of SHIN-DIG, or HULABALOO...?

The kids were all dancing with exuberance!!!

(Like no one, and everyone, was watching.)


'Not the worst of this play's many malfeasances. 

That would be making the Mafia look like a bunch of cute, musical comedy
characters.


Perhaps JERSEY BOYS is narrowcasiting its marketing....






From jameshburns at webtv.net  Thu Oct  6 02:39:08 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Thu Oct  6 02:45:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Race, 1968, Beyond... Bob Herbert in the TIMES....
Message-ID: <9590-4344F0BC-1811@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>


I always find it interesting how we, correctly, remember how close the
1968 election between Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon was. (For you
young'uns--they couldn't call the election, til the next day.) And if
Humphrey could only have stated that he would not wage the Vietnam War
in the way LBJ was doing--Humphrey's sense of loyalty prevented his
personal code of honor from besmirching his colleague, I have no doubt
Humphrey would have won. (Often unreported today are the vast number of
votes Nixon gained--particularly among the young!-- by claiming he had a
"secret plan", to end the War.)  But forgotten is how large the chances
are that the popular vote numbers would have been vastly larger for
Nixon, had George Wallace not siphoned off a ton of votes that would
never have swung to the Democrats...

Which leads us into this interesting piece in THE NEW YORK TIMES, by Bob
Herbert--whose stint at THE DAILY NEWS, I still recall, with pleasure...

Jim Burns
_____


Bob Herbert Op Ed ,October 6, 2005
Impossible, Ridiculous, Repugnant
By BOB HERBERT

A lot of people are upset over comments made on the radio by the former
education secretary and guardian of all things virtuous, Bill Bennett.
A Republican who served in the Reagan cabinet, Mr. Bennett told his
listeners: "I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime,
you could - if that were your sole purpose - you could abort every black
baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down."

After making the point that exterminating blacks would be a most
effective crime-fighting tool, he quickly added, "That would be an
impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your
crime rate would go down."

When I first heard about Mr. Bennett's comments, I wondered why anyone
was surprised. I've come to expect racial effrontery from big shots in
the Republican Party. The G.O.P. has happily replaced the Democratic
Party as a safe haven for bigotry, racially divisive tactics and
strategies and outright anti-black policies. That someone who's been a
stalwart of that outfit might muse publicly about the potential benefits
of exterminating blacks is not surprising to me at all.

Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the
evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:

"You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you
can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like
forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so
abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these
things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct
of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

"And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But
I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we
are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow
me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is
much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more
abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.' "

Atwater, who would manage George H. W. Bush's successful run for the
presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as
national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a
political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr.
Lamis quoted Atwater in the book "Southern Politics in the 1990's."

The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the
G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections,
it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white
voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of
civil rights and voting rights for blacks.

The payoff has been huge. Just as the Democratic Party would have been
crippled in the old days without the support of the segregationist
South, today's Republicans would have only a fraction of their current
political power without the near-solid support of voters who are hostile
to blacks.

When Democrats revolted against racism, the G.O.P. rallied to its
banner.

Ronald Reagan, the G.O.P.'s biggest hero, opposed both the Civil Rights
Act and the Voting Rights Act of the mid-1960's. And he began his
general election campaign in 1980 with a powerfully symbolic appearance
in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were
murdered in the summer of 1964. He drove the crowd wild when he
declared: "I believe in states' rights."
Bill Bennett's musings about the extermination of blacks in America (it
would be "impossible, ridiculous ... morally reprehensible") is all of a
piece with a Republican Party philosophy that is endlessly insulting to
black people and overwhelmingly hostile to their interests.

But that white racist vote, once so important to the Democrats and now
so important to the G.O.P., has been steadily shrinking. The U.S. is
less prejudiced than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, which is why
George W. Bush had to try so hard to disenfranchise black voters in
Florida in 2000; and why Jeb Bush had to call out the state police to
try to intimidate black voters in Orlando, Fla., in 2004; and why
Republicans in Georgia have come up with the equivalent of a poll tax
(requiring people without a driver's license to pay $20 for a voter
identification card), which will hurt poor, black and elderly voters.

Bill Bennett's twisted fantasies are a malignant outgrowth of our
polarized past. Our job is to keep them from spreading into the future. 


? Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company


From bgonzal at rci.rutgers.edu  Thu Oct  6 04:34:59 2005
From: bgonzal at rci.rutgers.edu (Wm-A Gonzalez)
Date: Thu Oct  6 04:43:44 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
References: <20051006021850.45017.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003701c5ca69$fc41e180$8501a8c0@BBP>

Ms. Davis was my favorite B'way cast member - 

"Bang!?  Bang!?  Shit!  I'm not dying for no white man!"

Don't forget she wrote the book "Letting Down My Hair"

-Bil Gonzalez


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  Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update


  Yes... Mary Davis.. So she was in the 68 production???   I really liked her a lot.. She seemed so emotional and you could tell she was smiling inside on out.. She had a great aura and light around her.. I didn't know her but she made me smile just seeing her smile.. I really like people like that.  JIM



  Sean Courtney <dauber@banana-and-louie.org> wrote:
    Quoting James Pappaconstantine :

    > ) Also.. I met this wonderful woman at the reunion.. shorter, black 
    > woman, red hat, in many photos though her name escapes me... Who was 
    > she and what did she do in what production? Anyone?

    You thinking of Mary Davis, aka Broadway's "Abie Baby"?

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From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Thu Oct  6 06:11:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
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Hi Jim and all,

As others have said, the woman in the red cap was Mary Lorrie Davis, 
original Broadway cast member, and creator of the Abie Baby character.

As to your other questions: No, Lynn Kellogg was not there. I don't know who 
you mean by "Sir Shadow". If you tell me where you got this name maybe I can 
answer your question...? And lastly, there were several crews shooting at 
the reunion. One crew was shooting video for the Archives. They got about an 
hour and a half of raw footage which I have not yet gotten or seen, but 
should have soon. The other professionals there filming, who shot the entire 
party, were shooting for La MaMa's archives. I had hoped to be able to get a 
copy of that for our archives, but unfortunately I've been told they wont 
copy it for us. I would love to see it...

I have sent out the word to those I know shot home video, in hopes of 
collecting as much of it as I can. A project like what Dauber mentioned 
might be possible, but a great deal of work. We have in our midst Jeff 
Lunger, an extremely talented film maker and editor (currently working on  a 
major Hair related documentary). Jeff edited all the film available for 
viewing at the reunion - from the film introductions, to that compilation of 
Let The Sunshine In from all over the world, to the television clips loop. 
He works with the Archives a lot, and is actually our video 
researcher/editor type person and therefore would be the person to edit 
together a documentary about the reunion, however being as good at what he 
does as he is, he is booked solid, so most likely wouldn't be able to get to 
this anytime very soon.

In any case I will see what kind of footage we have as it starts coming in, 
and check back with you all when we know more what we are talking about. 
With certainty, there will be more film clips and audio clips on the web 
site, which may have to suffice for now. Thanks again to all for their 
compliments. I greatly appreciate them. There are a few more photos up as of 
yesterday - a group from Teda Bracci, with a few people who weren't pictured 
before  - Teda, Barbara Moore, Lelan Berner. Will put even more up as they 
come in. One quick note to several people who have written that they will 
try not to duplicate what we already have - please don't edit! Send them 
all, and let me blow them up and look for who is in the background. My 
current quest is to get at least one photo of everyone who was there. I 
love, as Jim P said, seeing the reunion from different sets of eyes as I 
look through peoples photos. Everyone's expereince was slightly different 
and one can get that feel going through different people's photos. I would 
love to replicate that on the web site, so keep 'em coming! Thanks Jim P for 
sending yours.

Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From drmhaatma at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 21:18:13 2005
From: drmhaatma at yahoo.com (Mha Atma Khalsa)
Date: Thu Oct  6 09:43:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] action alert plus Miserable by Design
Message-ID: <E1ENYjV-0000P6-63@smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Here is a good action alert followed by an incisive
Krugman piece...

http://www.freepress.net/action/stopprop

Last week, an official government investigation
determined that the Bush Administration broke the law
when it used taxpayer dollars to hire fake journalists
like Armstrong Williams to promote its political
agenda.

It?s not only unethical, it?s also illegal. The only
way for justice to be served is for you and 50,000
others to add your name to a letter I am sending to
Congress and the Justice Department demanding
prosecution. A copy of your letter will be sent to all
the leaders of the Judiciary and Appropriations
Committees.

Please put your name next to mine in demanding a full
prosecution .

This White House has a knack for evading prosecution.
Our strength is in our numbers -- I need you to stand
by me and make the charges stick against an
administration that has set aside more than a quarter
billion dollars to push covert propaganda on the
public. No other administration has spent so much to
deceive so many.

In a report released on Sept. 30, the Government
Accountability Office found that the Department of
Education illegally used taxpayer dollars to fund a
covert propaganda campaign, funneling money to
Williams to tout Bush's education policies in advance
of the 2004 elections. The investigation also dug up
other instances of abuse, including a previously
undisclosed case in which the Bush administration
commissioned a newspaper article that praised the
White House's role in promoting science education. But
these abuses may just be the tip of the iceberg.

We need the White House to provide a full accounting
of the more than $250 million in taxpayer funds spent
to promote its political agenda.

Tell Congress and Justice to prosecute these crimes to
the full extent of the law .

The administration's silence on propaganda speaks
volumes. Without popular dissent, an emboldened White
House will continue to throw up obstacles to full
disclosure. It is now up to the public to pressure our
government to enforce the law and stop propaganda
crimes.

Take action today -- and don't forget to tell your
friends.

Onward,

Robert McChesney
President
Free Press
www.freepress.net  
P.S. Learn more about stopping news fraud at
www.freepress.net/propaganda .

----------

Miserable by Design

By PAUL KRUGMAN
NY Times Op-Ed: October 3, 2005

Federal aid to victims of Hurricane Katrina is already
faltering on two
crucial fronts: health care and housing. Incompetence
is part of the
problem, but deeper political issues also play a
crucial role.

Start with health care, where conservative senators,
generally believed to
be acting on behalf of the White House, have blocked
bipartisan
legislation that would provide all low-income victims
of Katrina with
health coverage under Medicaid.

In a letter urging Senate leaders to reject the bill,
Mike Leavitt, the
secretary of Health and Human Services, warned that it
would create "a new
Medicaid entitlement." He asserted that victims can be
taken care of by
Medicaid "waivers," which basically amount to giving
refugees the health
benefits, if any, that they would have been entitled
to in their home
states - and no more.

As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities points
out, many needy
victims won't qualify for aid. For example, Medicaid
doesn't cover
childless adults of working age. In fact, surveys show
that many destitute
survivors of Katrina are being denied Medicaid, and
some are going without
medicines they need.

Local hospitals and doctors will often treat Katrina
victims even if they
can't pay. But this means that communities that have
welcomed Katrina
refugees will, in effect, be financially punished for
their generosity -
something local officials will remember in future
crises. (The
administration has offered vague, unconvincing
assurances that it will do
something to compensate medical caregivers. It has
offered much more
concrete assurances that it will reimburse religious
groups that provide
aid.)

What about housing? These days, both conservatives and
liberals agree that
public housing projects are a bad idea, and that
housing vouchers - which
help the poor pay rent - are much better. In the
aftermath of the 1994
Northridge earthquake, special housing vouchers issued
to victims worked
very well.

But the administration has chosen, instead, to focus
its efforts on the
creation of public housing in the form of trailer
parks, which have been
slow to take shape, will almost surely be more
expensive than a voucher
program and may create long-term refugee ghettoes.
Even Newt Gingrich
calls this "extraordinarily bad policy" that "violates
every conservative
principle."

What's going on here? The crucial point is that
President Bush has been
forced by events into short-term actions that conflict
with his long-term
goals. His mission in office is to dismantle or at
least shrink the
federal social safety net, yet he must, as a matter of
political
necessity, provide aid to Katrina's victims. His
problem is how to do that
without legitimizing the very role of government he
opposes.

This dilemma explains the administration's opposition
to Medicaid
coverage for all Katrina refugees. How can it provide
that coverage
without undermining its ongoing efforts to reduce the
Medicaid rolls? More
broadly, if it accepts the principle that all
hurricane victims are
entitled to medical care, people might start asking
why the same isn't
true of all American citizens - a line of thought that
points toward a
system of universal health insurance, which is
anathema to conservatives.

As for the administration's odd insistence on
providing public housing
instead of relying on the market, The Los Angeles
Times reports that
Department of Housing and Urban Development officials
initially announced
plans to issue rent vouchers, then backed off after
meeting with White
House aides. As the article notes, the administration
has "repeatedly
sought to cut or limit" the existing housing voucher
program.

This suggests that what administration officials fear
isn't that housing
vouchers would fail, but that they would succeed - and
that this success
would undermine the administration's ongoing efforts
to cut back housing
aid.

So here's the key to understanding post-Katrina
policy: Mr. Bush can't
avoid helping Katrina's victims, but he doesn't want
to legitimize
institutions that help the needy, like the housing
voucher program. As a
result, his administration refuses to use those
institutions, even when
they are the best way to provide victims with aid.
More generally, the
administration is trying to treat Katrina's victims as
harshly as the
political realities allow, so as not to create a
precedent for other aid
efforts.

As the misery of the hurricane's survivors goes on,
remember this: to a
large extent, they are miserable by design.

***



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From IHHS at aol.com  Thu Oct  6 07:21:42 2005
From: IHHS at aol.com (IHHS@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct  6 10:14:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] history
Message-ID: <E1ENZDn-0005yY-2a@smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

    
Here?s a little history that you may have missed in  school!!! 



LIFE IN THE 1500'S

Interesting!

The next time you are washing your hands and  complain because the water 
temperature isn't just how you like it, think about  how things used to be. Here 
are some facts about the 1500's:

These are  interesting.

Most people got married in June, because they took their  yearly bath in May 
and still smelled pretty good by June. However, they were  starting to smell, 
so brides carried a bouquet of  flowers to hide the body  odor. Hence the 
custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting  married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of  the house had 
the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and  men, then 
the women and finally the children! Last of all the babies. By then  the 
water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying,  
"Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."

Houses had thatched  roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. 
It was the only place for  animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small 
animals (mice, bugs) lived  in the roof. When it rained it became slippery 
and sometimes the animals would  slip and  off the roof. Hence the saying "It's 
raining cats and  dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This  posed a 
real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up  your 
nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top  
afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The  floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence 
the saying  "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in 
the winter  when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep 
their footing. As  the winter wore on, they added more thresh until when you 
opened the door it  would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed 
in the  entranceway.
Hence the saying a "thresh hold."

(Getting quite an  education, aren't you?)

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen  with a big kettle that always 
hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire  and added things to the pot. 
They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much  meat. They would eat the stew 
for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get  cold overnight and then 
start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it  that had been there for 
quite a while. Hence the rhyme, "Peas porridge hot, peas  porridge cold, peas 
porridge in the pot nine days old."

Sometimes they  could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When 
visitors came over,  they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign 
of wealth that a man  could "bring home the bacon." They would cut off a 
little to share with guests  and would all sit around and "chew the fat."

Those with money had plates  made of pewter. Food with high acid content 
caused some of the lead to leach  onto the food, causing lead poisoning death. 
This happened most often with  tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, 
tomatoes were considered  poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt  bottom of the 
loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or "upper  crust."

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would  sometimes 
knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the  road 
would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on  
the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and  
eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of  
holding a "wake."

England is old and small and the local folks started  running out of places 
to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would  take the bones to a 
"bone-house" and reuse the grave. When reopening these  coffins, 1 out of 25 
coffins were found t have scratch marks on the inside and  they realized they had 
been burying people alive. So they would tie a string on  the wrist of the 
corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground  and tie it to a 
bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night  (the "graveyard 
shift") to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be "saved by  the bell" or 
was considered a "dead ringer."

And that's the truth... Now,  whoever said that History was boring ! ! !





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From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Oct  6 10:54:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Race, 1968, Beyond... Bob Herbert in the TIMES....
In-Reply-To: <9590-4344F0BC-1811@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BF6AA52B.24540%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Jim,
Thanks, You have some real points here and with the article from Bob
Herbert.
I'd like to add some pertinent part of HAIR history:
In my website go to Secrets>Journal>Politics>MEMORIES BROUGHT WITH THE
COMING OF THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION.
Michael

> 
> I always find it interesting how we, correctly, remember how close the
> 1968 election between Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon was. (For you
> young'uns--they couldn't call the election, til the next day.) And if
> Humphrey could only have stated that he would not wage the Vietnam War
> in the way LBJ was doing--Humphrey's sense of loyalty prevented his
> personal code of honor from besmirching his colleague, I have no doubt
> Humphrey would have won. (Often unreported today are the vast number of
> votes Nixon gained--particularly among the young!-- by claiming he had a
> "secret plan", to end the War.)  But forgotten is how large the chances
> are that the popular vote numbers would have been vastly larger for
> Nixon, had George Wallace not siphoned off a ton of votes that would
> never have swung to the Democrats...
> 
> Which leads us into this interesting piece in THE NEW YORK TIMES, by Bob
> Herbert--whose stint at THE DAILY NEWS, I still recall, with pleasure...
> 
> Jim Burns
> _____
> 
> 
> Bob Herbert Op Ed ,October 6, 2005
> Impossible, Ridiculous, Repugnant
> By BOB HERBERT
> 
> A lot of people are upset over comments made on the radio by the former
> education secretary and guardian of all things virtuous, Bill Bennett.
> A Republican who served in the Reagan cabinet, Mr. Bennett told his
> listeners: "I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime,
> you could - if that were your sole purpose - you could abort every black
> baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down."
> 
> After making the point that exterminating blacks would be a most
> effective crime-fighting tool, he quickly added, "That would be an
> impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your
> crime rate would go down."
> 
> When I first heard about Mr. Bennett's comments, I wondered why anyone
> was surprised. I've come to expect racial effrontery from big shots in
> the Republican Party. The G.O.P. has happily replaced the Democratic
> Party as a safe haven for bigotry, racially divisive tactics and
> strategies and outright anti-black policies. That someone who's been a
> stalwart of that outfit might muse publicly about the potential benefits
> of exterminating blacks is not surprising to me at all.
> 
> Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the
> evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:
> 
> "You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you
> can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like
> forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so
> abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these
> things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct
> of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
> 
> "And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But
> I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we
> are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow
> me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is
> much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more
> abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.' "
> 
> Atwater, who would manage George H. W. Bush's successful run for the
> presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as
> national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a
> political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr.
> Lamis quoted Atwater in the book "Southern Politics in the 1990's."
> 
> The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the
> G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections,
> it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white
> voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of
> civil rights and voting rights for blacks.
> 
> The payoff has been huge. Just as the Democratic Party would have been
> crippled in the old days without the support of the segregationist
> South, today's Republicans would have only a fraction of their current
> political power without the near-solid support of voters who are hostile
> to blacks.
> 
> When Democrats revolted against racism, the G.O.P. rallied to its
> banner.
> 
> Ronald Reagan, the G.O.P.'s biggest hero, opposed both the Civil Rights
> Act and the Voting Rights Act of the mid-1960's. And he began his
> general election campaign in 1980 with a powerfully symbolic appearance
> in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were
> murdered in the summer of 1964. He drove the crowd wild when he
> declared: "I believe in states' rights."
> Bill Bennett's musings about the extermination of blacks in America (it
> would be "impossible, ridiculous ... morally reprehensible") is all of a
> piece with a Republican Party philosophy that is endlessly insulting to
> black people and overwhelmingly hostile to their interests.
> 
> But that white racist vote, once so important to the Democrats and now
> so important to the G.O.P., has been steadily shrinking. The U.S. is
> less prejudiced than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, which is why
> George W. Bush had to try so hard to disenfranchise black voters in
> Florida in 2000; and why Jeb Bush had to call out the state police to
> try to intimidate black voters in Orlando, Fla., in 2004; and why
> Republicans in Georgia have come up with the equivalent of a poll tax
> (requiring people without a driver's license to pay $20 for a voter
> identification card), which will hurt poor, black and elderly voters.
> 
> Bill Bennett's twisted fantasies are a malignant outgrowth of our
> polarized past. Our job is to keep them from spreading into the future.
> 
> 
> ? Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
> 
> 
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From jlunger at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  6 13:26:29 2005
From: jlunger at earthlink.net (Jeff Lunger)
Date: Thu Oct  6 13:33:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Big Archives web site update
Message-ID: <4145670.1128630389830.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Nina, 

Thank you for all the kind words.  I am blushing!  (being the modest sort...)  And thanks to everyone who commented on the reunion videos - Jim, Leo, Dauber and some others too I think...

Anyway, what she says is true, about the major Hair-related doc, and I will announce when we have a trailer online (which will be soon!)  

As for a reunion video, I think that's a great idea, and I am so swamped with other things right now...so anybody who wants to take that on more power to you!  All those photos and the video clip on the Archive site are a terrific place to start!

xx
Jeff

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Oct  6 17:38:52 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Oct  6 17:45:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] AL Gore - The Threat To American Democracy
Message-ID: <BF6B11AC.24584%michael@michaelbutler.com>

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    The Threat to American Democracy
    Remarks by Al Gore | The Media Center

    Wednesday 05 October 2005

    Remarks delivered by Al Gore to a conference organized by "We Media" in
New York.

    I came here today because I believe that American democracy is in grave
danger. It is no longer possible to ignore the strangeness of our public
discourse ... I know that I am not the only one who feels that something has
gone basically and badly wrong in the way America's fabled "marketplace of
ideas" now functions.

    How many of you, I wonder, have heard a friend or a family member in the
last few years remark that it's almost as if America has entered "an
alternate universe?"

    I thought maybe it was an aberration when three-quarters of Americans
said they believed that Saddam Hussein was responsible for attacking us on
September 11, 2001. But more than four years later, between a third and a
half still believe Saddam was personally responsible for planning and
supporting the attack.

    At first I thought the exhaustive, non-stop coverage of the O.J. trial
was just an unfortunate excess that marked an unwelcome departure from the
normal good sense and judgment of our television news media. But now we know
that it was merely an early example of a new pattern of serial obsessions
that periodically take over the airwaves for weeks at a time.

    Are we still routinely torturing helpless prisoners, and if so, does it
feel right that we as American citizens are not outraged by the practice?
And does it feel right to have no ongoing discussion of whether or not this
abhorrent, medieval behavior is being carried out in the name of the
American people? If the gap between rich and poor is widening steadily and
economic stress is mounting for low-income families, why do we seem
increasingly apathetic and lethargic in our role as citizens?

    On the eve of the nation's decision to invade Iraq, our longest serving
senator, Robert Byrd of West Virginia, stood on the Senate floor asked: "Why
is this chamber empty? Why are these halls silent?"

    The decision that was then being considered by the Senate with virtually
no meaningful debate turned out to be a fateful one. A few days ago, the
former head of the National Security Agency, Retired Lt. General William
Odom, said, "The invasion of Iraq, I believe, will turn out to be the
greatest strategic disaster in US history."

    But whether you agree with his assessment or not, Senator Byrd's
question is like the others that I have just posed here: he was saying, in
effect, this is strange, isn't it? Aren't we supposed to have full and
vigorous debates about questions as important as the choice between war and
peace?

    Those of us who have served in the Senate and watched it change over
time, could volunteer an answer to Senator Byrd's two questions: the Senate
was silent on the eve of war because Senators don't feel that what they say
on the floor of the Senate really matters that much any more. And the
chamber was empty because the Senators were somewhere else: they were in
fundraisers collecting money from special interests in order to buy
30-second TV commercials for their next re-election campaign.

    In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, there was - at least for a short
time - a quality of vividness and clarity of focus in our public discourse
that reminded some Americans - including some journalists - that vividness
and clarity used to be more common in the way we talk with one another about
the problems and choices that we face. But then, like a passing summer
storm, the moment faded.

    In fact there was a time when America's public discourse was
consistently much more vivid, focused and clear. Our Founders, probably the
most literate generation in all of history, used words with astonishing
precision and believed in the Rule of Reason.

    Their faith in the viability of Representative Democracy rested on their
trust in the wisdom of a well-informed citizenry. But they placed particular
emphasis on insuring that the public could be well-informed. And they took
great care to protect the openness of the marketplace of ideas in order to
ensure the free-flow of knowledge.

    The values that Americans had brought from Europe to the New World had
grown out of the sudden explosion of literacy and knowledge after
Gutenberg's disruptive invention broke up the stagnant medieval information
monopoly and triggered the Reformation, Humanism, and the Enlightenment and
enshrined a new sovereign: the "Rule of Reason."

    Indeed, the self-governing republic they had the audacity to establish
was later named by the historian Henry Steele Commager as "the Empire of
Reason."

    Our founders knew all about the Roman Forum and the Agora in ancient
Athens. They also understood quite well that in America, our public forum
would be an ongoing conversation about democracy in which individual
citizens would participate not only by speaking directly in the presence of
others - but more commonly by communicating with their fellow citizens over
great distances by means of the printed word. Thus they not only protected
Freedom of Assembly as a basic right, they made a special point - in the
First Amendment - of protecting the freedom of the printing press.

    Their world was dominated by the printed word. Just as the proverbial
fish doesn't know it lives in water, the United States in its first half
century knew nothing but the world of print: the Bible, Thomas Paine's fiery
call to revolution, the Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, our
laws, the Congressional Record, newspapers and books.

    Though they feared that a government might try to censor the printing
press - as King George had done - they could not imagine that America's
public discourse would ever consist mainly of something other than words in
print.

    And yet, as we meet here this morning, more than 40 years have passed
since the majority of Americans received their news and information from the
printed word. Newspapers are hemorrhaging readers and, for the most part,
resisting the temptation to inflate their circulation numbers. Reading
itself is in sharp decline, not only in our country but in most of the
world. The Republic of Letters has been invaded and occupied by television.

    Radio, the internet, movies, telephones, and other media all now vie for
our attention - but it is television that still completely dominates the
flow of information in modern America. In fact, according to an
authoritative global study, Americans now watch television an average of
four hours and 28 minutes every day - 90 minutes more than the world
average.

    When you assume eight hours of work a day, six to eight hours of sleep
and a couple of hours to bathe, dress, eat and commute, that is almost
three-quarters of all the discretionary time that the average American has.
And for younger Americans, the average is even higher.

    The internet is a formidable new medium of communication, but it is
important to note that it still doesn't hold a candle to television. Indeed,
studies show that the majority of Internet users are actually simultaneously
watching television while they are online. There is an important reason why
television maintains such a hold on its viewers in a way that the internet
does not, but I'll get to that in a few minutes.

    Television first overtook newsprint to become the dominant source of
information in America in 1963. But for the next two decades, the television
networks mimicked the nation's leading newspapers by faithfully following
the standards of the journalism profession. Indeed, men like Edward R.
Murrow led the profession in raising the bar.

    But all the while, television's share of the total audience for news and
information continued to grow - and its lead over newsprint continued to
expand. And then one day, a smart young political consultant turned to an
older elected official and succinctly described a new reality in America's
public discourse: "If it's not on television, it doesn't exist."

    But some extremely important elements of American Democracy have been
pushed to the sidelines ... And the most prominent casualty has been the
"marketplace of ideas" that was so beloved and so carefully protected by our
Founders. It effectively no longer exists.

    It is not that we no longer share ideas with one another about public
matters; of course we do. But the "Public Forum" in which our Founders
searched for general agreement and applied the Rule of Reason has been
grossly distorted and "restructured" beyond all recognition.

    And here is my point: it is the destruction of that marketplace of ideas
that accounts for the "strangeness" that now continually haunts our efforts
to reason together about the choices we must make as a nation.

    Whether it is called a Public Forum, or a "Public Sphere," or a
marketplace of ideas, the reality of open and free public discussion and
debate was considered central to the operation of our democracy in America's
earliest decades.

    In fact, our first self-expression as a nation - "We the People" - made
it clear where the ultimate source of authority lay. It was universally
understood that the ultimate check and balance for American government was
its accountability to the people. And the public forum was the place where
the people held the government accountable. That is why it was so important
that the marketplace of ideas operated independent from and beyond the
authority of government.

    The three most important characteristics of this marketplace of ideas
were:

    * 1) It was open to every individual, with no barriers to entry, save
the necessity of literacy. This access, it is crucial to add, applied not
only to the receipt of information but also to the ability to contribute
information directly into the flow of ideas that was available to all.

    * 2) The fate of ideas contributed by individuals depended, for the most
part, on an emergent Meritocracy of Ideas. Those judged by the market to be
good rose to the top, regardless of the wealth or class of the individual
responsible for them.

    * 3) The accepted rules of discourse presumed that the participants were
all governed by an unspoken duty to search for general agreement. That is
what a "Conversation of Democracy" is all about.

    What resulted from this shared democratic enterprise was a startling new
development in human history: for the first time, knowledge regularly
mediated between wealth and power.

    The liberating force of this new American reality was thrilling to all
humankind. Thomas Jefferson declared, "I have sworn upon the alter of God
eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."

    It ennobled the individual and unleashed the creativity of the human
spirit. It inspired people everywhere to dream of what they could yet
become. And it emboldened Americans to bravely explore the farther frontiers
of freedom - for African Americans, for women, and eventually, we still
dream, for all.

    And just as knowledge now mediated between wealth and power,
self-government was understood to be the instrument with which the people
embodied their reasoned judgments into law. The Rule of Reason under-girded
and strengthened the rule of law.

    But to an extent seldom appreciated, all of this - including especially
the ability of the American people to exercise the reasoned collective
judgments presumed in our Founders' design - depended on the particular
characteristics of the marketplace of ideas as it operated during the Age of
Print.

    Consider the rules by which our present "public forum" now operates, and
how different they are from the forum our Founders knew. Instead of the easy
and free access individuals had to participate in the national conversation
by means of the printed word, the world of television makes it virtually
impossible for individuals to take part in what passes for a national
conversation today.

    Inexpensive metal printing presses were almost everywhere in America.
They were easily accessible and operated by printers eager to typeset
essays, pamphlets, books or flyers.

    Television stations and networks, by contrast, are almost completely
inaccessible to individual citizens and almost always uninterested in ideas
contributed by individual citizens.

    Ironically, television programming is actually more accessible to more
people than any source of information has ever been in all of history. But
here is the crucial distinction: it is accessible in only one direction;
there is no true interactivity, and certainly no conversation.

    The number of cables connecting to homes is limited in each community
and usually forms a natural monopoly. The broadcast and satellite spectrum
is likewise a scarce and limited resource controlled by a few. The
production of programming has been centralized and has usually required a
massive capital investment. So for these and other reasons, an ever-smaller
number of large corporations control virtually all of the television
programming in America.

    Soon after television established its dominance over print, young people
who realized they were being shut out of the dialogue of democracy came up
with a new form of expression in an effort to join the national
conversation: the "demonstration." This new form of expression, which began
in the 1960s, was essentially a poor quality theatrical production designed
to capture the attention of the television cameras long enough to hold up a
sign with a few printed words to convey, however plaintively, a message to
the American people. Even this outlet is now rarely an avenue for expression
on national television.

    So, unlike the marketplace of ideas that emerged in the wake of the
printing press, there is virtually no exchange of ideas at all in
television's domain. My partner Joel Hyatt and I are trying to change that -
at least where Current TV is concerned. Perhaps not coincidentally, we are
the only independently owned news and information network in all of American
television.

    It is important to note that the absence of a two-way conversation in
American television also means that there is no "meritocracy of ideas" on
television. To the extent that there is a "marketplace" of any kind for
ideas on television, it is a rigged market, an oligopoly, with imposing
barriers to entry that exclude the average citizen.

    The German philosopher, Jurgen Habermas, describes what has happened as
"the refeudalization of the public sphere." That may sound like
gobbledygook, but it's a phrase that packs a lot of meaning. The feudal
system which thrived before the printing press democratized knowledge and
made the idea of America thinkable, was a system in which wealth and power
were intimately intertwined, and where knowledge played no mediating role
whatsoever. The great mass of the people were ignorant. And their
powerlessness was born of their ignorance.

    It did not come as a surprise that the concentration of control over
this powerful one-way medium carries with it the potential for damaging the
operations of our democracy. As early as the 1920s, when the predecessor of
television, radio, first debuted in the United States, there was immediate
apprehension about its potential impact on democracy. One early American
student of the medium wrote that if control of radio were concentrated in
the hands of a few, "no nation can be free."

    As a result of these fears, safeguards were enacted in the US -
including the Public Interest Standard, the Equal Time Provision, and the
Fairness Doctrine - though a half century later, in 1987, they were
effectively repealed. And then immediately afterwards, Rush Limbaugh and
other hate-mongers began to fill the airwaves.

    And radio is not the only place where big changes have taken place.
Television news has undergone a series of dramatic changes. The movie
"Network," which won the Best Picture Oscar in 1976, was presented as a
farce but was actually a prophecy. The journalism profession morphed into
the news business, which became the media industry and is now completely
owned by conglomerates.

    The news divisions - which used to be seen as serving a public interest
and were subsidized by the rest of the network - are now seen as profit
centers designed to generate revenue and, more importantly, to advance the
larger agenda of the corporation of which they are a small part. They have
fewer reporters, fewer stories, smaller budgets, less travel, fewer bureaus,
less independent judgment, more vulnerability to influence by management,
and more dependence on government sources and canned public relations
hand-outs. This tragedy is compounded by the ironic fact that this
generation of journalists is the best trained and most highly skilled in the
history of their profession. But they are usually not allowed to do the job
they have been trained to do.

    The present executive branch has made it a practice to try and control
and intimidate news organizations: from PBS to CBS to Newsweek. They placed
a former male escort in the White House press pool to pose as a reporter -
and then called upon him to give the president a hand at crucial moments.
They paid actors to make make phony video press releases and paid cash to
some reporters who were willing to take it in return for positive stories.
And every day they unleash squadrons of digital brownshirts to harass and
hector any journalist who is critical of the President.

    For these and other reasons, The US Press was recently found in a
comprehensive international study to be only the 27th freest press in the
world. And that too seems strange to me.

    Among the other factors damaging our public discourse in the media, the
imposition by management of entertainment values on the journalism
profession has resulted in scandals, fabricated sources, fictional events
and the tabloidization of mainstream news. As recently stated by Dan Rather
- who was, of course, forced out of his anchor job after angering the White
House - television news has been "dumbed down and tarted up."

    The coverage of political campaigns focuses on the "horse race" and
little else. And the well-known axiom that guides most local television news
is "if it bleeds, it leads." (To which some disheartened journalists add,
"If it thinks, it stinks.")

    In fact, one of the few things that Red state and Blue state America
agree on is that they don't trust the news media anymore.

    Clearly, the purpose of television news is no longer to inform the
American people or serve the public interest. It is to "glue eyeballs to the
screen" in order to build ratings and sell advertising. If you have any
doubt, just look at what's on: The Robert Blake trial. The Laci Peterson
tragedy. The Michael Jackson trial. The Runaway Bride. The search in Aruba.
The latest twist in various celebrity couplings, and on and on and on.

    And more importantly, notice what is not on: the global climate crisis,
the nation's fiscal catastrophe, the hollowing out of America's industrial
base, and a long list of other serious public questions that need to be
addressed by the American people.

    One morning not long ago, I flipped on one of the news programs in hopes
of seeing information about an important world event that had happened
earlier that day. But the lead story was about a young man who had been
hiccupping for three years. And I must say, it was interesting; he had
trouble getting dates. But what I didn't see was news.

    This was the point made by Jon Stewart, the brilliant host of "The Daily
Show," when he visited CNN's "Crossfire": there should be a distinction
between news and entertainment.

    And it really matters because the subjugation of news by entertainment
seriously harms our democracy: it leads to dysfunctional journalism that
fails to inform the people. And when the people are not informed, they
cannot hold government accountable when it is incompetent, corrupt, or both.

    One of the only avenues left for the expression of public or political
ideas on television is through the purchase of advertising, usually in
30-second chunks. These short commercials are now the principal form of
communication between candidates and voters. As a result, our elected
officials now spend all of their time raising money to purchase these ads.

    That is why the House and Senate campaign committees now search for
candidates who are multi-millionaires and can buy the ads with their own
personal resources. As one consequence, the halls of Congress are now
filling up with the wealthy.

    Campaign finance reform, however well it is drafted, often misses the
main point: so long as the only means of engaging in political dialogue is
through purchasing expensive television advertising, money will continue by
one means or another to dominate American politic s. And ideas will no
longer mediate between wealth and power.

    And what if an individual citizen, or a group of citizens wants to enter
the public debate by expressing their views on television? Since they cannot
simply join the conversation, some of them have resorted to raising money in
order to buy 30 seconds in which to express their opinion. But they are not
even allowed to do that.

    MoveOn.org tried to buy ads last year to express opposition to Bush's
Medicare proposal which was then being debated by Congress. They were told
"issue advocacy" was not permissible. Then, one of the networks that had
refused the MoveOn ad began running advertisements by the White House in
favor of the President's Medicare proposal. So MoveOn complained and the
White House ad was temporarily removed. By temporary, I mean it was removed
until the White House complained and the network immediately put the ad back
on, yet still refused to present the MoveOn ad.

    The advertising of products, of course, is the real purpose of
television. And it is difficult to overstate the extent to which modern
pervasive electronic advertising has reshaped our society. In the 1950s,
John Kenneth Galbraith first described the way in which advertising has
altered the classical relationship by which supply and demand are balanced
over time by the invisible hand of the marketplace. According to Galbraith,
modern advertising campaigns were beginning to create high levels of demand
for products that consumers never knew they wanted, much less needed.

    The same phenomenon Galbraith noticed in the commercial marketplace is
now the dominant fact of life in what used to be America's marketplace for
ideas. The inherent value or validity of political propositions put forward
by candidates for office is now largely irrelevant compared to the
advertising campaigns that shape the perceptions of voters.

    Our democracy has been hallowed out. The opinions of the voters are, in
effect, purchased, just as demand for new products is artificially created.
Decades ago Walter Lippman wrote, "the manufacture of consent ... was
supposed to have died out with the appearance of democracy ... but it has
not died out. It has, in fact, improved enormously in technique ... under
the impact of propaganda, it is no longer plausible to believe in the
original dogma of democracy."

    Like you, I recoil at Lippman's cynical dismissal of America's gift to
human history. But in order to reclaim our birthright, we Americans must
resolve to repair the systemic decay of the public forum and create new ways
to engage in a genuine and not manipulative conversation about our future.
Americans in both parties should insist on the re-establishment of respect
for the Rule of Reason. We must, for example, stop tolerating the rejection
and distortion of science. We must insist on an end to the cynical use of
pseudo studies known to be false for the purpose of intentionally clouding
the public's ability to discern the truth.

    I don't know all the answers, but along with my partner, Joel Hyatt, I
am trying to work within the medium of television to recreate a multi-way
conversation that includes individuals and operates according to a
meritocracy of ideas. If you would like to know more, we are having a press
conference on Friday morning at the Regency Hotel.

    We are learning some fascinating lessons about the way decisions are
made in the television industry, and it may well be that the public would be
well served by some changes in law and policy to stimulate more diversity of
viewpoints and a higher regard for the public interest. But we are
succeeding within the marketplace by reaching out to individuals and asking
them to co-create our network.

    The greatest source of hope for reestablishing a vigorous and accessible
marketplace for ideas is the Internet. Indeed, Current TV relies on video
streaming over the Internet as the means by which individuals send us what
we call viewer-created content or VC squared. We also rely on the Internet
for the two-way conversation that we have every day with our viewers
enabling them to participate in the decisions on programming our network.

    I know that many of you attending this conference are also working on
creative ways to use the Internet as a means for bringing more voices into
America's ongoing conversation. I salute you as kindred spirits and wish you
every success.

    I want to close with the two things I've learned about the Internet that
are most directly relevant to the conference that you are having here today.

    First, as exciting as the Internet is, it still lacks the single most
powerful characteristic of the television medium; because of its
packet-switching architecture, and its continued reliance on a wide variety
of bandwidth connections (including the so-called "last mile" to the home),
it does not support the real-time mass distribution of full-motion video.

    Make no mistake, full-motion video is what makes television such a
powerful medium. Our brains - like the brains of all vertebrates - are
hard-wired to immediately notice sudden movement in our field of vision. We
not only notice, we are compelled to look. When our evolutionary
predecessors gathered on the African savanna a million years ago and the
leaves next to them moved, the ones who didn't look are not our ancestors.
The ones who did look passed on to us the genetic trait that neuroscientists
call "the establishing reflex." And that is the brain syndrome activated by
television continuously - sometimes as frequently as once per second. That
is the reason why the industry phrase, "glue eyeballs to the screen," is
actually more than a glib and idle boast. It is also a major part of the
reason why Americans watch the TV screen an average of four and a half hours
a day.

    It is true that video streaming is becoming more common over the
Internet, and true as well that cheap storage of streamed video is making it
possible for many young television viewers to engage in what the industry
calls "time shifting" and personalize their television watching habits.
Moreover, as higher bandwidth connections continue to replace smaller
information pipelines, the Internet's capacity for carrying television will
continue to dramatically improve. But in spite of these developments, it is
television delivered over cable and satellite that will continue for the
remainder of this decade and probably the next to be the dominant medium of
communication in America's democracy. And so long as that is the case, I
truly believe that America's democracy is at grave risk.

    The final point I want to make is this: We must ensure that the Internet
remains open and accessible to all citizens without any limitation on the
ability of individuals to choose the content they wish regardless of the
Internet service provider they use to connect to the Worldwide Web. We
cannot take this future for granted. We must be prepared to fight for it
because some of the same forces of corporate consolidation and control that
have distorted the television marketplace have an interest in controlling
the Internet marketplace as well. Far too much is at stake to ever allow
that to happen.

    We must ensure by all means possible that this medium of democracy's
future develops in the mold of the open and free marketplace of ideas that
our Founders knew was essential to the health and survival of freedom.

 

From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Thu Oct  6 18:39:02 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Thu Oct  6 18:45:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Sir Shadow
References: <200510061900.j96J0Bgp011845@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <003a01c5cadf$e5ba0b60$6401a8c0@Leo>

Nina, Sir Shadow was a sketch artist who was whipping out some terrific 
stuuf in seconds! He was a black man who was mostly sitting at a table with 
black paper and a white pen/fine tip marker and drawing pics for people. He 
asked me what my favorite musical instrument was and I replied "Guitar". 
Within 30 seconds he handed me a beautiful white on black drawing of a 
guitar player! His website is http://sirshadow.com

PEACE,
Leo
----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "Little Birdie" <lbirdie@hotmail.com>
 Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update

...................... I don't know who you mean by "Sir Shadow". If you 
tell me where you got this name maybe I can answer your 
question.......................... 


From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Thu Oct  6 18:47:35 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Thu Oct  6 18:54:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Reunion Videos
References: <200510061900.j96J0Bgp011845@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <003d01c5cae1$170d3100$6401a8c0@Leo>

 I shot three 45 second video clips with my digital camera - it's one of 
these deals that takes both pictures and mpeg clips. I only shot 45 second 
clips cuz I didn't wanna burn up all my mini disc space. The clips are small 
in stature as well as length but if anyone wants to check em out give me a 
shout at peacefreak@metrocast.net and I'll email em to ya. I have clips of 
Where Do I Go, Frank Mills, and I Got Life.

PEACE,
Leo 


From jameshburns at webtv.net  Thu Oct  6 19:36:28 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Thu Oct  6 19:43:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Race, 1968, Beyond... Bob Herbert in the TIMES....
In-Reply-To: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>'s message of Thu,
	06 Oct 2005 09:55:55 -0700
Message-ID: <14905-4345DF2C-1538@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>


Interesting stuff, Michael!

In a way that's really too horrible to think about, the anti-war
movement--carefully exploited by the Right, or not--helped give us
Nixon...  It's something that deserves more study, because to this day,
there are elements of the Left that are far too easly swayed by some
adroit manipulation...

(And I hate using such simple tags, as "Right," and "Left"!)

:-)

Everyone here should read that remembrance of yours:


http://www.orlok.com/orlok/michael/yippie.html  


Thanks again, for bringing it to my attention!


Best, Jim

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Oct  6 19:45:52 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Oct  6 19:52:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Powerful! Switch on your sound for this one.
In-Reply-To: <62.5eba2a96.30772b79@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BF6B2F70.245AC%michael@michaelbutler.com>


------ Forwarded Message
From: TSawyer456@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:38:01 EDT
To: TSawyer456@aol.com
Subject: Powerful! Switch on your sound for this one.

Watch this. Then watch it again. Then send it to everyone you know.  PLEASE!
 

_http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/2000A/2000.html_
(http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/2000A/2000.html)

 
Tom
_www.ThomasBSawyer.com_ (http://www.ThomasBSawyer.com)
 
PS: And while you're at it, think about 58,000*
 
*Vietnam


------ End of Forwarded Message

From nycrjmac at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  6 20:30:49 2005
From: nycrjmac at yahoo.com (RJ Mac)
Date: Thu Oct  6 20:37:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Sir Shadow
In-Reply-To: <003a01c5cadf$e5ba0b60$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <20051007033049.19645.qmail@web31615.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Really nice guy and great artist.  He told me he
wasn't involved with Hair, that he was a friend of
Andre de Shield's.

rj

--- Leo <peacefreak@metrocast.net> wrote:

> Nina, Sir Shadow was a sketch artist who was
> whipping out some terrific 
> stuuf in seconds! He was a black man who was mostly
> sitting at a table with 
> black paper and a white pen/fine tip marker and
> drawing pics for people. He 
> asked me what my favorite musical instrument was and
> I replied "Guitar". 
> Within 30 seconds he handed me a beautiful white on
> black drawing of a 
> guitar player! His website is http://sirshadow.com
> 
> PEACE,
> Leo
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>  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Archives web site update
> 
> ...................... I don't know who you mean by
> "Sir Shadow". If you 
> tell me where you got this name maybe I can answer
> your 
> question.......................... 
> 
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From sherwin at aceross.com  Thu Oct  6 21:07:29 2005
From: sherwin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Thu Oct  6 21:14:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Powerful! Switch on your sound for this one.
In-Reply-To: <BF6B2F70.245AC%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20051007040732.E7E0C249C03@lax-gw08.mroute.net>

geez

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Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:46 PM
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Subject: Powerful! Switch on your sound for this one.

Watch this. Then watch it again. Then send it to everyone you know.  PLEASE!
 

_http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/2000A/2000.html_
(http://theunitedamerican.blogs.com/Movies/2000A/2000.html)

 
Tom
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Oct  6 18:42:43 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Oct  7 04:11:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kerner on Race 1968
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-DAV155E0D678FBF23B186C86ABA850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BF6B20A5.24599%michael@michaelbutler.com>

The Jim Burns posting of Herbert's article created this reaction about a
hero of mine.
Also the Kerner Commission had quite historical connection to me. For more
on that go again in my website:
--http://www.michaelbutler.com
There; Secrets>Journal>Productions>Hair>'How and Why I Got Into Hair'
Michael
 


------ Forwarded Message
From: "Anton Kerner" <antonkerner@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 12:33:39 -0500
To: "'Michael Butler'" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Race, 1968, Beyond... Bob Herbert in the TIMES....

Dear Michael,

Thanks for copying me with your insightful correspondence with Jim Burns.
Attached is a piece I wrote that was published in the Chicago Tribune March
19, 2000 which touches on the racism so long underwritten in Republican
politics. The most pertinent excerpts may be these:

    "The Kerner Report was as much a watershed for America's civil
liberty as it was for Kerner's. In January 1969, Richard Nixon--the nation's
first critic of the Kerner Report--was sworn in as president, and his
campaign
manager, John Mitchell, launched his masquerade as attorney general. The
intangible civil rights of minorities advanced by Kerner were set on a
collision course with a specious theory of intangible rights invented by
Mitchell's prosecutors to allege Kerner failed to give citizens of Illinois
"good and faithful services" as governor. With Kerner's conviction, Nixon
and Mitchell managed to destroy one of America's most respected civil rights
Advocates... 

    "The authors fail to recognize the enormity of the injustice Kerner
suffered when they dismiss strong evidence of the political inspiration
behind his prosecution. They recount the famous November 1970 meeting in
which Nixon, Mitchell and cohorts plotted their 1972 re-election campaign
strategy to attract southern and northern white Democratic voters
disgruntled by their party's national civil rights and integration
initiatives of the 1960s. They also repeat Mitchell's boast that Illinois
Democrats wouldn't be so powerful after his grand jury got through in
Chicago. They even admit that Mitchell's Justice Department officials had
briefed Chicago prosecutors about Kerner only a month earlier, in October
1970. But they doubt that Mitchell's boast pertained to Kerner because no
grand jury was then convened, overlooking the Kerner grand jury Mitchell
seated in Chicago just a month after the 1970 holidays. To whom do they
think Mitchell was referring, if not Kerner?

    "Kerner's U.S. appellate court opinions in defense of civil liberty
and his persistent advocacy of Kerner Report recommendations were widely
known to frustrate, embarrass and enrage Nixon and Mitchell. Not only did he
block their draconian approach to law and order, he called them to task for
impeding racial progress. In Nixon's Oval Office tapes, Mitchell is heard
complaining about Kerner just two weeks before he called him in front of the
June 1971 Grand Jury: "Now he's out talking about his Kerner Commission
Report when he should be keeping his damn mouth shut as a judge." The
question is not whether Nixon and Mitchell possessed the motive, means and
opportunity to get Otto Kerner, but whether a smoking gun eventually will be
found in the Nixon tapes."

Keepin' eyes on the prize always,

Anton 



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Butler [mailto:michael@michaelbutler.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 11:56 AM
To: SPECIAL from Michael Butler
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Race, 1968, Beyond... Bob Herbert in the TIMES....

Jim,
Thanks, You have some real points here and with the article from Bob
Herbert.
I'd like to add some pertinent part of HAIR history:
In my website go to Secrets>Journal>Politics>MEMORIES BROUGHT WITH THE
COMING OF THE DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION.
Michael

> 
> I always find it interesting how we, correctly, remember how close the
> 1968 election between Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon was. (For you
> young'uns--they couldn't call the election, til the next day.) And if
> Humphrey could only have stated that he would not wage the Vietnam War
> in the way LBJ was doing--Humphrey's sense of loyalty prevented his
> personal code of honor from besmirching his colleague, I have no doubt
> Humphrey would have won. (Often unreported today are the vast number of
> votes Nixon gained--particularly among the young!-- by claiming he had a
> "secret plan", to end the War.)  But forgotten is how large the chances
> are that the popular vote numbers would have been vastly larger for
> Nixon, had George Wallace not siphoned off a ton of votes that would
> never have swung to the Democrats...
> 
> Which leads us into this interesting piece in THE NEW YORK TIMES, by Bob
> Herbert--whose stint at THE DAILY NEWS, I still recall, with pleasure...
> 
> Jim Burns
> _____
> 
> 
> Bob Herbert Op Ed ,October 6, 2005
> Impossible, Ridiculous, Repugnant
> By BOB HERBERT
> 
> A lot of people are upset over comments made on the radio by the former
> education secretary and guardian of all things virtuous, Bill Bennett.
> A Republican who served in the Reagan cabinet, Mr. Bennett told his
> listeners: "I do know that it's true that if you wanted to reduce crime,
> you could - if that were your sole purpose - you could abort every black
> baby in this country, and your crime rate would go down."
> 
> After making the point that exterminating blacks would be a most
> effective crime-fighting tool, he quickly added, "That would be an
> impossible, ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your
> crime rate would go down."
> 
> When I first heard about Mr. Bennett's comments, I wondered why anyone
> was surprised. I've come to expect racial effrontery from big shots in
> the Republican Party. The G.O.P. has happily replaced the Democratic
> Party as a safe haven for bigotry, racially divisive tactics and
> strategies and outright anti-black policies. That someone who's been a
> stalwart of that outfit might muse publicly about the potential benefits
> of exterminating blacks is not surprising to me at all.
> 
> Listen to the late Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview explaining the
> evolution of the G.O.P.'s Southern strategy:
> 
> "You start out in 1954 by saying, 'Nigger, nigger, nigger.' By 1968 you
> can't say 'nigger' - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like
> forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so
> abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these
> things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct
> of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.
> 
> "And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But
> I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we
> are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow
> me - because obviously sitting around saying, 'We want to cut this,' is
> much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more
> abstract than 'Nigger, nigger.' "
> 
> Atwater, who would manage George H. W. Bush's successful run for the
> presidency in 1988 (the Willie Horton campaign) and then serve as
> national party chairman, was talking with Alexander P. Lamis, a
> political-science professor at Case Western Reserve University. Mr.
> Lamis quoted Atwater in the book "Southern Politics in the 1990's."
> 
> The truth is that there was very little that was subconscious about the
> G.O.P.'s relentless appeal to racist whites. Tired of losing elections,
> it saw an opportunity to renew itself by opening its arms wide to white
> voters who could never forgive the Democratic Party for its support of
> civil rights and voting rights for blacks.
> 
> The payoff has been huge. Just as the Democratic Party would have been
> crippled in the old days without the support of the segregationist
> South, today's Republicans would have only a fraction of their current
> political power without the near-solid support of voters who are hostile
> to blacks.
> 
> When Democrats revolted against racism, the G.O.P. rallied to its
> banner.
> 
> Ronald Reagan, the G.O.P.'s biggest hero, opposed both the Civil Rights
> Act and the Voting Rights Act of the mid-1960's. And he began his
> general election campaign in 1980 with a powerfully symbolic appearance
> in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were
> murdered in the summer of 1964. He drove the crowd wild when he
> declared: "I believe in states' rights."
> Bill Bennett's musings about the extermination of blacks in America (it
> would be "impossible, ridiculous ... morally reprehensible") is all of a
> piece with a Republican Party philosophy that is endlessly insulting to
> black people and overwhelmingly hostile to their interests.
> 
> But that white racist vote, once so important to the Democrats and now
> so important to the G.O.P., has been steadily shrinking. The U.S. is
> less prejudiced than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago, which is why
> George W. Bush had to try so hard to disenfranchise black voters in
> Florida in 2000; and why Jeb Bush had to call out the state police to
> try to intimidate black voters in Orlando, Fla., in 2004; and why
> Republicans in Georgia have come up with the equivalent of a poll tax
> (requiring people without a driver's license to pay $20 for a voter
> identification card), which will hurt poor, black and elderly voters.
> 
> Bill Bennett's twisted fantasies are a malignant outgrowth of our
> polarized past. Our job is to keep them from spreading into the future.
> 
> 
> C Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company
> 
> 
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From nycrjmac at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  7 04:13:32 2005
From: nycrjmac at yahoo.com (RJ Mac)
Date: Fri Oct  7 04:20:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] They're at it again: "Republicans Eye Killing NEA"
Message-ID: <20051007111332.55908.qmail@web31613.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not enough to make war overseas, another entry in the
war at home:

http://www.backstage.com/backstage/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001260331

How much more damage can be done before the next
election...?

rj


		
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Oct  7 07:55:32 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Oct  7 08:02:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] They're at it again: "Republicans Eye Killing NEA"
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV115E97A942708018DD9E70AB840@phx.gbl>

RJ This is absolutely the lowest thing the republicans have done yet.... well I am not too sure of that but this is horrible... they are sick sick sick with their own self.

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: RJ Mac
Sent: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:13:32 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] They're at it again: "Republicans Eye Killing NEA"

Not enough to make war overseas, another entry in the
war at home:

http://www.backstage.com/backstage/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001260331

How much more damage can be done before the next
election...?

rj


		
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From nycrjmac at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  7 10:19:28 2005
From: nycrjmac at yahoo.com (RJ Mac)
Date: Fri Oct  7 10:26:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] They're at it again: "Republicans Eye Killing NEA"
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV115E97A942708018DD9E70AB840@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051007171928.93792.qmail@web31602.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It's hard to evaluate which move is most outrageous,
as there's been an ongoing cavalcade for the past
several years.  I didn't post the news item of the
Indiana republican who's put a motion to the state to
make it illegal for (specificly)lesbians to become
pregnant through insemination.

Except for the vote a while back that changed the name
of a fast-food item to "Freedom Fries", I can't quite
discern any valuable strides in liberty. 

These are very interesting times.

rj


--- Barbara Siomos <barbarasiomos38@msn.com> wrote:

> RJ This is absolutely the lowest thing the
> republicans have done yet.... well I am not too sure
> of that but this is horrible... they are sick sick
> sick with their own self.
> 
> peace,
> barbara
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: RJ Mac
> Sent: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:13:32 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] They're at it again: "Republicans
> Eye Killing NEA"
> 
> Not enough to make war overseas, another entry in
> the
> war at home:
> 
>
http://www.backstage.com/backstage/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001260331
> 
> How much more damage can be done before the next
> election...?
> 
> rj
> 
> 
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  8 06:12:22 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Sat Oct  8 06:19:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] More web site updates
Message-ID: <BAY104-F19379BBD61345CC9C75CB3B2870@phx.gbl>

More updates in the reunion section of the web site. I added two audio files 
from the reunion - one of Frank Mills and the other of Let The Sunshine In.

Also received tons of gorgeous slides from Jim Pappaconstantine (thanks 
Jim!) which I have started scanning, and hope to have up in the not too 
distant future. I'll let you know when they are up.

As to Leo's video clips let me know if it would be easier to have them up on 
the web site rather than emailing them.

Thanks for the info on Sir Shadow! Another unknown person in the phtoos 
identified! Anyone know who the gentleman with long brown hair wearing a 
dark blue shirt and a tie was?
Love,
Nina

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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sat Oct  8 09:55:56 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sat Oct  8 10:02:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Thanks for the Memories
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV4E449710F4A4C03B2F7AEAB870@phx.gbl>

I wish to Thank Bill, Robert, Nina, Trevor, Papi, Meredith, Robin & Suzie, Leo & Judy, Teda & Tere, Helene and of course Sherwin for the photos sent in to the list (if I forgot anyone so sorry). Since I was unable to be there it is the next best thing.... :-)   

Now if I could get my hands on a program I would feel complete. Anyone who has an extra P-L-E-A-S-E send me one... I know there must be someone with more than one cause many folks who had purchased their ticket including myself and folks who were at the reunion did not get one. I truly would be very grateful.

peace,
barbara

Barbara Siomos
1290 Almshouse Rd., Apt. #415
Doylestown, PA 18901-2831


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Date: Sat Oct  8 10:57:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fwd: VIRUS ADVISORY: W32/Sober.r@MM
Message-ID: <20051008171819.35552.qmail@web32414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



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From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Oct  8 10:57:08 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Probably Our Greatest Problem Today
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Michael Butler's Blog

http://www.michaelbutler.com/mbblog.html

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From geomilman at milman.com  Sat Oct  8 10:51:50 2005
From: geomilman at milman.com (George R. Milman)
Date: Sat Oct  8 21:56:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Movie
Message-ID: <E1EOT7R-00038p-5C@smtpauth07.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Click on this Quaker link, then on "see the movie".....only 2 minutes.

 

http://www.afsc.org/eyes/default.htm

 

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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Sat Oct  8 22:44:37 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Sat Oct  8 21:57:48 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My wife's first time watching the Hair movie
Message-ID: <343c28d0765.2a63ab6a@outgoing.verizon.net>

First of all...a warning to anybody on this list who hasn't seen the 1979
movie...this account of my Saturday evening might have a spoiler or two....

Okay...so I'm taking Monday off to share a three-day weekend with my wife,
who as a teacher has Columbus Day off...and Lisa suggested watching a DVD to
pass part of the evening together. I said cool, but I don't have anything
I'm dying to watch right now, so you pick. She went through our DVD
collection and said "Hmm...you think I should see Hair?" She had gone with
Tioga Joe and me to see a pretty....blah...production here in Jersey a few
years ago...

Now...Lisa is not a Hair fan, really, but does appreciate it and its
importance and does want to see a truly good production of one. Before
seeing the movie tonight, she did see that one production and read the 1969 book
(and therefore knows the basic plot of the stage show),
went to the reunion with me, and knows a lot about '60s pop culture. Having
said that, here are her comments about the movie, all of which she asked me
to share with you folks....most of this she couldn't even say without
breaking into laughter -- and I don't mean that in a good way, either! :)

- First, the choreography. During "Aquarius" she said it was "way too
ballet," "too West Side Story," and "fruity", but she always thought the choreography was supposed to be a bit more free-form.

- Poor setting up of the plot...During the first several scenes, you have no
idea who most of the main characters are, their relationship to each other,
or even what time period it's supposed to be -- you can only assume the late
1960s because it's well-known that it's a period piece [when I typed that, I
accidentally typed "peace" -- not bad, eh? :)  ] for that time...

- "You're supposed to LIKE the hippies, right?" she said. Lisa felt that the
main characters were pretty hostile to each other -- Woof and Hud at each
other during the "Colored Spade" scene, Hud and his fianc?e, Berger and
Claude toward the end of the movie, etc. And the fact that you're not given
a good intro to the characters just adds to that separation between the
viewer and the rapport with the characters.

 - It's established that Shelia lives in Short Hills. Why would a girl from Short Hills, NJ be, in full riding gear, riding a horse in Central Park?
Especially when 1) there aren't any facilities in Manhattan for residents to
keep horses? (or are there?) and 2) when there are plenty of places in and
around Short Hills for that kind of thing?

Other comments from the better half:

- "The first 20 minutes of the movie is more about horses than hippies!"

- "Claude seemed to lose his Oklahoma accent over the course of the film."

- "It was just bad. It was just really bad."

- "I could have lived without seeing Beverly D'Angelo's tits several times."

- "Hair is not supposed to leave you with a bleah feeling, right?"

- "Claude had this look on his face like he had to take a dump."

- "It was pretty obvious that a lot of the men were wearing wigs."

- "Berger looked like a Muppet."

- "Berger was also extremely annoying. When he was trying to con the MP, I
wanted the MP to take out a gun and shoot him! I laughed at the ending when
Berger's being marched off with the troops because he screwed himself over."

As you can see, Lisa didn't like the movie. At all. Period. And you know
what? I loved it when I first saw it as a 15-year-old in 1990, but every
time I saw it again, especially after I first saw a stage production in
1996, it got worse and worse. And I keep noticing things that just don't
make sense:
- how they get arrested in Short Hills and run across the street from jail
into Central Park...
- The army scene when that Washington rally somehow interferes with the PA
system in Nevada....what the hell sense does that make?!
- So Berger and company hang out with Claude for, what, 40 hours or so? So
they barely know the guy, yet months after he leaves for the army they drive
across the country, with Berger sacrificing his hair, just to see him for a
couple of hours???

Strange....very strange...

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Oct  9 07:18:16 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Oct  9 07:25:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My wife's first time watching the Hair movie
References: <343c28d0765.2a63ab6a@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <012e01c5ccdc$4ac9ae90$f1476c42@hotprojects>

i agree sean seeing the movie en vivo in 1979 as a young man
i thought it was horrendous
the only bad production of HAIR i ever saw
but then it wasnt awfully much about HAIR
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From: "Sean Courtney" <dauber@banana-and-louie.org>
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Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:44 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] My wife's first time watching the Hair movie


> First of all...a warning to anybody on this list who hasn't seen the 1979
> movie...this account of my Saturday evening might have a spoiler or
two....
>
> Okay...so I'm taking Monday off to share a three-day weekend with my wife,
> who as a teacher has Columbus Day off...and Lisa suggested watching a DVD
to
> pass part of the evening together. I said cool, but I don't have anything
> I'm dying to watch right now, so you pick. She went through our DVD
> collection and said "Hmm...you think I should see Hair?" She had gone with
> Tioga Joe and me to see a pretty....blah...production here in Jersey a few
> years ago...
>
> Now...Lisa is not a Hair fan, really, but does appreciate it and its
> importance and does want to see a truly good production of one. Before
> seeing the movie tonight, she did see that one production and read the
1969 book
> (and therefore knows the basic plot of the stage show),
> went to the reunion with me, and knows a lot about '60s pop culture.
Having
> said that, here are her comments about the movie, all of which she asked
me
> to share with you folks....most of this she couldn't even say without
> breaking into laughter -- and I don't mean that in a good way, either! :)
>
> - First, the choreography. During "Aquarius" she said it was "way too
> ballet," "too West Side Story," and "fruity", but she always thought the
choreography was supposed to be a bit more free-form.
>
> - Poor setting up of the plot...During the first several scenes, you have
no
> idea who most of the main characters are, their relationship to each
other,
> or even what time period it's supposed to be -- you can only assume the
late
> 1960s because it's well-known that it's a period piece [when I typed that,
I
> accidentally typed "peace" -- not bad, eh? :)  ] for that time...
>
> - "You're supposed to LIKE the hippies, right?" she said. Lisa felt that
the
> main characters were pretty hostile to each other -- Woof and Hud at each
> other during the "Colored Spade" scene, Hud and his fianc?e, Berger and
> Claude toward the end of the movie, etc. And the fact that you're not
given
> a good intro to the characters just adds to that separation between the
> viewer and the rapport with the characters.
>
>  - It's established that Shelia lives in Short Hills. Why would a girl
from Short Hills, NJ be, in full riding gear, riding a horse in Central
Park?
> Especially when 1) there aren't any facilities in Manhattan for residents
to
> keep horses? (or are there?) and 2) when there are plenty of places in and
> around Short Hills for that kind of thing?
>
> Other comments from the better half:
>
> - "The first 20 minutes of the movie is more about horses than hippies!"
>
> - "Claude seemed to lose his Oklahoma accent over the course of the film."
>
> - "It was just bad. It was just really bad."
>
> - "I could have lived without seeing Beverly D'Angelo's tits several
times."
>
> - "Hair is not supposed to leave you with a bleah feeling, right?"
>
> - "Claude had this look on his face like he had to take a dump."
>
> - "It was pretty obvious that a lot of the men were wearing wigs."
>
> - "Berger looked like a Muppet."
>
> - "Berger was also extremely annoying. When he was trying to con the MP, I
> wanted the MP to take out a gun and shoot him! I laughed at the ending
when
> Berger's being marched off with the troops because he screwed himself
over."
>
> As you can see, Lisa didn't like the movie. At all. Period. And you know
> what? I loved it when I first saw it as a 15-year-old in 1990, but every
> time I saw it again, especially after I first saw a stage production in
> 1996, it got worse and worse. And I keep noticing things that just don't
> make sense:
> - how they get arrested in Short Hills and run across the street from jail
> into Central Park...
> - The army scene when that Washington rally somehow interferes with the PA
> system in Nevada....what the hell sense does that make?!
> - So Berger and company hang out with Claude for, what, 40 hours or so? So
> they barely know the guy, yet months after he leaves for the army they
drive
> across the country, with Berger sacrificing his hair, just to see him for
a
> couple of hours???
>
> Strange....very strange...
>
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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Sun Oct  9 08:32:48 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Sun Oct  9 07:45:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: My wife's first time watching the Hair movie
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On 10/09/2005, richard haase wrote:

> i agree sean seeing the movie en vivo in 1979 as a young man
> i thought it was horrendous
> the only bad production of HAIR i ever saw
> but then it wasnt awfully much about HAIR

Yeah, but as a 15-year-old in 1990, that was all I had. That was my first
exposure to the show, and I loved it!

Oh....just thought of something else...when Claude, Berger, etc. were
arrested, they were arrested in Short Hills, New Jersey, located in Essex
County. So why were they thrown in the Hudson County slammer?

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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sun Oct  9 09:49:42 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun Oct  9 09:56:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Halloween, in the East Village
Message-ID: <23385-43494A26-4596@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>


I believe I may be previously engaged (Ann Darrow's having a hoe-down on
Skull Island, and Carl Denham's promised to bring the punch), but for
those of you in the vicintity, this block party, and all night event at
the Theatre for the New City, sounds like it could be grea fun!   JIm
Burns
__________

THEATER FOR THE NEW CITY HOLDS ITS 29th ANNUAL VILLAGE HALLOWEEN COSTUME
BALL OCTOBER 31 Underground stars perform each year in TNC's Halloween
Cabarets. Guests will see, be seen and vie for costume prizes.
Celebrants will sink fangs into Halloween delicacies in The Witches'
Cauldron 
WHERE AND WHEN: 

Sunday, October 31, at 155 First Avenue (at E. 10th St.) and the block
of E. 10th St. between 1st and 2nd Avenues (presented by Theater for the
New City) 

Free outdoor entertainment begins 4:00 pm; doors open 7:30 pm $20;
costume or formal wear required, (212) 254-1109 
DESCRIPTION: 

??????????????????Nonstop theater, a
costume competition and ballroom dancing will bewitch the East Village
in Theater for the New City's 28th annual Village Halloween Costume Ball
on Sunday, October 31 at TNC, 155 First Avenue. This unique festival
continues as a grand coming-together for everyday New Yorkers and
artists alike. A carefree fall tradition, it celebrates the creativity
that comes with the season. 

????????????????The one-night fiesta
takes over all four of TNC's theater spaces, plus its lobby and the
block of East Tenth Street between First and Second Avenues. Customarily
over 1,400 wildly-clad celebrants gather for dancing, dining, showing
off costumes and viewing acts from the cutting-edge of Cabaret and
Theater. Admission is $20; costume or formal wear is required. 

????????????????Dance orchestras will
include The Great Paprika Band, a noted Brazilian jazz pop orchestra,
and Hot Lavendar Swing Band, an all-Gay and Lesbian 18-piece orchestra. 

????????????????With its Witches'
Cauldron, the event can justifiably claim to have downtown's most
sensational Halloween cafe. The Community Theater of TNC becomes an
atmospheric grande buffet for the event, with a variety of American and
international delicacies available at peoples' prices. Holiday dishes
are contributed by neighboring East Village restaurants and a variety of
private chefs. You can gobble couscous from a coffin lid beginning at
7:30 pm while enjoying spine-tingling performances by Arthur Abrams,
Norman Savitt with Susan Mitchell, Michelle DeAngeles, Soce the
Elemental Wizard, Salome James & Chuck Muscone, Melissa Shetler, Richard
West, GWAABO and more. 

????????????????Outside, there are
bluegrass and jazz bands, fire eaters, jugglers, storyweavers and stilt
dancers, all free to the public and a gift from TNC to its neighborhood.
Inside, there is theater all evening. 

????????????????Since its beginning in
1977, TNC's Halloween extravaganza has been a point of origin for many
of the City's most original entertainers. Six full-length plays have
grown out of playlets written for the fest and it is probable that the
theatrical movement in Performance Art began there. It has been a
launching pad for such formative artists as Paul Zaloom, Alice Farley,
Bloolips, The Red Mole, Penny Arcade, Basil Twist and Alien Comic Tom
Murrin. It is also interesting to note TNC originated the Village
Halloween Parade as part of its annual Halloween Ball. The procession
wound its way through the Village from TNC's second home at the corner
of Jane and West Streets to Washington Square Park. Now the event takes
up every available inch (both floors) of TNC's multi-theater complex at
155 First Avenue (the former First Avenue Retail Market building) and
adjoining outdoor spaces. 

????????????????Doors open at 7:30 pm
and indoor entertainment begins at 8:00 pm. There will be two
continuously-running cabarets. Featured performers will include Penny
Arcade, The Bacher Boys, Zero Boy, Epstein & Hassan, steve ben israel,
Wise Guise, Lavinia Coop, Bina Sharif, The Wycherly Sisters, N.Y.
Ukulele Festival, Margo Lee Sherman, Imagination Explosion (puppet
theater), Levanah (Belly Dance), Billionaires for Bush, New York
Flaggers, Samurai Sword Soul, Jushi, Katherine Adamenko, NY Lyric
Circus, Ambivalent Skin, David Peel, Donald L. Brooks, George Bellici,
Andre Brown (tap), Lissa Moira, Eve Packer, Kevin Martin, Joe Bendik,
Jenn London, Stan Rifkin, Inma Heredia (Flamenco), Alex MacDonald,
Chovexani (gothic belly dance), Jimmy Camicia, Lei Zhou, Lauretta
Auditorium, Mykeo & Axis Danz, Hal Robins and the band Liv-I-Culture. 

????????????????This year, Outdoor
entertainment, free to the public, will start at 4:00 pm with music by
Iration Squad, Gary Heidt and Friends, Angela Rostick (stilt walker),
Molly Allis (puppets), British Music Hall (Crystal Field, Mark Marcante
and company) and an assortment of jugglers and vaudeville acts including
fire breathers. Outdoor entertainment is capped by "The Red and Black
Masque," an annual Medieval ritual show written by Arthur Sainer, scored
by David Tice and directed by Crystal Field which is performed by
torchlight. 

????????????????Scattered through the
event will be stilt dancers, jugglers, fire-eaters, Vaudeville playlets
and Burlesque. Lobby attractions will include a Wiccan Psychic Reader,
Astrology/Numerology, an Aura Reader, throwing of the I Ching, belly
dancers, Hellsouls, Laraine Goodman and Paganini Apparition. 

????????????????The entire facility will
be elaborately rendered for Halloween, featuring intricate and massive
environments by leading theatrical scenarists, sculptors, and artists
including Donald L. Brooks, Walter Gurbo, Judy Sky, Ian Gordon,
Alexander Bartenieff, Jon D. Andreadakis, Pamela Mayo and Evan
Schlossberg. The Scary Room is by Susan Gittens and Friends. 

????????????????The annual costume
judging begins at 11:30 pm with the "Monsters and Miracles Costume
Parade," as all revelers are invited to march past a panel of celebrity
judges. Winners in twelve individual categories will receive one-year
passes to TNC and a bottle of Moet and Chandon champagne. This year's
panel includes celebrity judges Jack Agueros, George Ferencz, H.M.
Koutoukas, Judith Malina, Hannon Reznikoff, Miguel Maldonado, John
Gilman, Bob Heide, Rome Neal, Maria Irene Fornes, Miguel Moldonado,
Sarah Provost, Jane Catherine Shaw, Abigail Ramsay, Garland Lee
Thompson, Roberta Wallach and David Willinger. Attendees will be judged
in such categories as "Most Magickal," "Most Psychic," "Most Bo-Toxic,"
"Most Pissed about Katrina," "Most Socially-Promoted," "Most Scared of
Bird Flu," "Most Bush-Whacked," "Most No-Bid Contract," "Most Delay-ed,"
"Most Hybrid," "Most Corporate Welfare," "Most Fraudulent Election,"
"Most Appointed Crony" and "Most Born-Again, and Again, and Again." 

????????????????The performers' list
continues to grow as of this writing. Theater for the New City is
located at 155 First Avenue, at the corner of East Tenth Street.
Reservations are strongly recommended. The TNC box office number is
(212) 254-1109. 
# # # 


From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sun Oct  9 09:59:00 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun Oct  9 10:05:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Carlos Fuentes:  In Praise of the Novel
Message-ID: <23384-43494C54-7024@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>


I'm reminded of that saying, the devil only wins, where there is the
absence of hope....  Jim
_________


"Fuentes: In Praise of the Novel" 
POV: in praise of the novel 
========================== 
http://www.signandsight.com/features/361.html In praise of the novel 
Author Carlos Fuentes on Cervantes, Kafka, and the saving grace of
literature. 
_______________ 


Not long ago, the Norwegian Academy addressed one hundred writers from
all over the world with a single question: Name the novel that you
consider the best ever written. 
Of the one hundred consulted, fifty answered: "Don Quixote de la Mancha"
by Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra. Quite a landslide, considering the
runners up: Dostoevsky, Faulkner and Garcia Marquez, in that order. 

The results of this consultation pose the interesting question of the
long-seller versus the best-seller. There is, of course, no answer that
fits all cases: Why does a bestseller sell, why does a long-seller last?
Don Quixote was a big bestseller when it first appeared in 1605, and has
continued to sell ever since, whereas William Faulkner was definitively
a bad seller if you compare the meager sales of "Absalom, Absalom"
(1936) to those of the really big-seller of the year, Hervey Allen's
"Anthoy Adverse", a Napoleonic saga of love, war and trade. Which means
that here is no actual thermometer in these matters, even if time will
not only tell: Time will sell. One might think that Cervantes was in
tune with his times whereas Stendhal consciously wrote for "the happy
few" and sold poorly in his own life, was given the reward of Balzac's
praise before he died and only came into his own thanks to the efforts
of the critic Henri Martineau in the 20th Century. Some writers achieve
great popularity and then disappear forever. The bestseller lists of the
past fifty years are, with a few lively exceptions, a somber graveyard
of dead books. Yet permanence is not a wilful proposition. No one can
write a book aspiring to immortality, for it would then court both
ridicule and certain mortality. Plato puts immortality in perspective
when he states that eternity, when it moves, becomes time, eternity
being a kind of frozen time. And William Blake certainly brings things
down to earth: Eternity is in love with the works of time. The works of
time. We could take each one of the writers I have quoted so far and
undertake a fruitful excursion into their relationship with the times
they lived. 

Fascinating as this can and should be, I wonder how much it tells us
about the books that they wrote, the imagination that moved them to
write, their use of language, their critical approach to the art of
literature, their awareness of belonging to the larger tradition that
Milan Kundera invokes in his recent book "The Curtain": the fact that a
novelist belongs, more than to his country or even to his native tongue,
to a tradition in which Rabelais, Cervantes, Sterne and Diderot are a
part of the same family and that family, as desired by Goethe, lives in
the house of world literature, the Weltliteratur which each writer,
Goethe suggests, fosters independently of national literatures that - he
goes on - "have ceased to represent anything of importance". If this be
true, then all great works of literature contain both the tradition they
spring from and add to and the new creation that depends as much on
preceding tradition as tradition, if it is to remain in good health,
depends upon the new creations that nourish it. Since this is the year
of the fourth centennial of Don Quixote and since I consider Cervantes'
book to be the founding cornerstone of the novel as it has evolved since
the 17th Century, permit me to root in it the vocabulary I have been
employing. 
Cervantes belongs to a tradition he cannot speak of. This is the
tradition of Erasmus of Rotterdam, the guiding light of the early
Spanish Renaissance in the court of the young Charles V, a candle soon
extinguished by the cold dogmatic winds of the Counter Reformation.
After the Council of Trent, Erasmus and his works are banned by the
Inquisition, his legacy a secret. 

Cervantes was steeped in this forbidden philosophy. Erasmus searched for
reconciliation between Faith and Reason, refusing not only the dogmas of
Faith, but the dogmas of Reason as well. Thus, Cervantes, who was a
disciple of the Spanish Erasmists, had to disguise his intellectual
allegiance. The "Praise of Folly" is the praise of Don Quixote as he
wanders through an Erasmian universe in which all truths are suspect,
everything is bathed in incertitude and the modern novel thus acquires
its birth-right. 

Since Cervantes cannot admit the liberating influence of Erasmian
thought, he goes Erasmus one better: the wisdom of Rotterdam becomes the
folly of La Mancha and the marriage of "la sagesse" and "l'incertitude"
brings forth the novel as we understand it. A privileged space, indeed,
of incertitude. An uncertain place: a forgotten village in an insolated
province of Spain. An un-namable place: "En un lugar de la Mancha de
cuyo nombre no quiero acordarme". An uncertain author: Who wrote this
book? Cervantes? De Saavedra? Cide Hamete Benengeli? An anonymous
Moorish scribe? The masked funambulist Gin??s de Pasamonte disguised
as the puppeteer Master Pedro? The lack of author barely disguises the
refusal of authority. 

Uncertain names: Don Quixote is really an impoverished hidalgo named
Alonso Quijano - or is it Quijada? - or perhaps, Quezada? Or is it the
other way around: Is the impoverished squire truly the brave knight
errant, a Cid brought low, a diminished Cortez? So, what's in a name?
The onomastic instability of the novel Don Quixote undermines all
certainty of a linear reading. Dulcinea is Aldonza, damsels in distress
become queens and princesses, broken down nags are deemed heroic steeds,
illiterate squires become governors. Don Quixote's imaginary foes have
extravagant names ??" for example, the giant Pentapolpin of the Rolled
up Sleeve - so his real foes must also have them: the Bachelor Sanson
Carrasco has to be named the Knight of the Mirrors in order to enter
Quixote's onomastic universe. 

And Quixote himself, the battle name of the country Quijada... or
Quijano... or Quesada... enters in full batllegear this nominative
carnival, becoming the Knight of the Sad Countenance or the Knight of
the Lions, or Quijotiz, when in a pastoral mode, or the ridiculous Don
Azote, that is, Mister Whip, in the wayside inn or, in the Duke's
palace, the mocked don Jigote, Mr. Hamburger. 

Places, names, authorship, all is uncertain in Don Quixote. And
uncertainty is compounded by the great democratic revolution wrought by
Cervantes and which is the creation of the novel as a common place, lieu
commun, lugar com??n, that is, the meeting place of the city, the
central plaza, the polyforum, the public square where everyone has a
right to be heard but no one has the right to exclusive speech. 

This guiding principle of novelistic creation is turned by Cervantes
into what Claudio Guillen calls a dialogue of genres. They all meet in
the open space of Don Quixote. Here the picaresque ??" Sancho Panza
??" shakes hands with the epic ??" Don Quixote. Lazarillo de Tormes
is introduced to Amadis of Gaul. Here the linearity of narration is
broken down, encircled, put on fast forward or in reverse by the
tale-within-the-tale interrupted by the pastoral interlude and then by
the novel of courtly love and the strands of Moorish and Byzantine tales
woven into the tapestry of a novel that, finally, proposes itself as
both the identity and the difference of its verbal universe. 
Before Cervantes, narrative could exhaust itself in a single reading of
the past: the epic, or of the present: the picaresque. Cervantes blends
past and future, turning the novel into a critical process that, first,
proposes that we read a book about a man who reads books and then
becomes a book about a man who knows that he is being read. When Don
Quixote enters the printing shop in Barcelona and discovers that what is
being printed is his own book, El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de La
Mancha, we are suddenly plunged into a truly new world of readers, of
readings available to all and not only to a small circle of power,
religious, political or social. By multiplying both authorship and
readership, the novel, from the times of Cervantes to our own, became a
democratic vehicle, a space of choice, of alternate interpretations of
the self, of the world, and of the relationship between myself and
others, between you and me, between we and they. 

Religion is dogmatic. Politics is ideological. Reason must be logical.
But literature has the privilege of being equivocal. The quality of
doubt in a novel is perhaps a manner of telling us that since authorship
(and thus authority) are uncertain and susceptible of many explanations,
so it goes with the world itself. 

Reality is not fixed, it is mutable. We can only approach reality if we
do not pretend to define it once and for all. The partial verities
proposed by a novel are a bulwark against dogmatic impositions.
Considered politically feeble and unimportant, why are writers then
persecuted by totalitarian regimes as if they really mattered? This
contradiction reveals the deeper nature of the political in literature.
The reference is to the polis, the city, the evolving but constant
community of citizens, not to the autoritas, the passing powers,
essentially temporary but pridefully believing themselves eternal.
Kafka's fictions describe a power that makes its own fiction powerful.
Power is a representation that, like the authorities in "The Castle",
gain its strength from the imagination of those outside the castle. When
that imagination ceases to confer power upon power, the Emperor appears
naked and the impotent writer who points this out is banned to exile,
the concentration camp or the bonfire, while the Emperor's tailors
stitch on his new clothes. So, if there can be political power in
writing, it is exceptional. Under so-called "normal" circumstances, the
writer has scarce if any political importance. He or she can, of course,
become politically relevant as citizens. Yet he or she possess the
ultimate political importance of offering the city, however quietly,
however postponed, however indirectly, the two indispensable values that
unite the personal and the collective: 

Fiction then, from Rabelais and Cervantes to Grass and Goytisolo and
Gordimer, is another way of questioning truth as we strive for it
through the paradox of a lie. That lie can be called the imagination. It
can also be seen as a parallel reality. It can be observed as a critical
mirror of what passes for the truth in the world of convention. It
certainly sets up a second universe of being, where Don Quixote and
Heathclif and Emma Bovary have a reality greater, though no less
important, than the host of hastily met and then forgotten citizens we
deal with. Indeed, Don Quixote or Emma Bovary bring into light, give
weight and presence to the virtues and vices --to the fugitive
personalities-- of our daily acquaintance. Perhaps, what Ahab and Pedro
Paramo and Effie Briest possess is, also, the living memory of the
great, glorious and mortal subjectivities of the men and women that we
forget, that our fathers knew and our grand parents foresaw. In Don
Quixote, Dostoevsky wrote, truth is saved by a lie. With Cervantes, the
novel establishes its birthright as a lie that is the foundation of
truth. For through the medium of fiction, the novelist puts reason to
the proof. 

Fiction invents what the world lacks, what the world has forgotten, what
it hopes to attain and perhaps can never reach. Fiction is thus a way of
appropriating the world, giving the world the color, the taste, the
sense, the dreams, the vigils, the perseverance and even the lazy repose
that, to go on being, it claims. Enter your own self and discover the
world, the novelist tells us. But also, go out into the world and
discover yourself. In the dark hours preceding World War II, Thomas Mann
crossed the Atlantic with Don Quixote as his surest lifeline to a Europe
in the throes of death. And even before, under the clouds of the First
World War, Franz Kafka had discovered that Don Quixote was a magnificent
invention of Sancho Panza, who thus became a man free to follow the
adventures of the knight errant, without hurting anybody. And finally,
in his "Pierre Menard Author of Don Quixote", Jorge Luis Borges tells us
that it suffices to re-write Cervantes' novel, word by word, but in a
different time and with a different intention, in order to recreate it.
Cervantes lived his age: the decadent Spain of the last Hapsburgs,
Philip III and the devaluation of money, the fall of the economy due to
the successive expulsion of the industrious Jewish and Arab populations,
the compulsion to disguise Hebrew or Moorish origins leading to a
society of brittle masks, the lack of efficient administrators for a
far-flung empire, the flight of the gold and silver of the Indies to the
mercantile powerhouses of Northern Europe. A Spain of urchins and
beggars, hollow gestures, cruel aristocrats, ruined roads, shabby inns
and broken-down gentlemen who, in another, more vigorous age, might have
conquered Mexico and sailed the Caribbean and brought the first
universities and the first printing presses to the New World: the
fabulous energy of Spain in the invention of America. Cervantes and the
other great writers of Spain's Golden Age truly demonstrate that
literature can give the society what history has drained from the
society. "Where are the birds of yesteryear?" sighs Don Quixote as he
lays dying. They are dead and stuffed, which is why Don Quixote has to
give his novel the renewed flight of the eagle, the wing-span of the
albatross. As Cervantes responded to the degraded society of his time
with the triumph of the critical imagination, we too, face a degraded
society and must reflect upon it as it seeps into our lifes, surrounds
us and, even, casts us upon the perennial situation of responding to the
passage of history with the passion of literature. We are aware of the
danger of postponing the human agendas as the 21st Century begins.
Military spending exceeds by far investment in health, education and
development. The urgent demands of women, the aged, the young are left
to chance. The offenses against nature multiply. In Heaven, wrote
Borges, to conserve and to create are synonymous verbs. On Earth, they
have become enemies. The root causes of terror are left unattended.
Terror cannot be the answer to terror, but rather better intelligence,
democratic governance and socio-economic development, while
strengthening cultural identity, in nations long subject to
authoritarian and colonial rule. International values won with critical
perseverance and sacrifice ??" human rights, diplomacy,
multilateralism, primacy of the law - are assailed by the blind haste of
unilateralism, preventive war and the blind pride that "precedes
destruction" (Proverbs, 16: 18). 

Sometimes our answer to these realities is passive beatitude. There are
those who believe that we live in the best of all possible worlds
because they have been told that the indispensable is impossible. But on
the other hand, we are assailed by the agitated though passive fear of
latent Apocalypse when, as Goethe put it, "God ceases to love his
creatures and must destroy it all and begin all over again". 

Space has capitulated. Thanks to the image, we can be everywhere
instantly. But time has pulverized, breaking down into images that are
in danger of refusing us both the imagination of the past and the memory
of the future. We can become the slaves of hypnotic images that we have
not chosen. We can become cheerful robots amusing ourselves to death. I
believe that these are realities that should move us to affirm that
language is the foundation of culture, the door of experience, the roof
of the imagination, the basement of memory, the bedchamber of love and,
above all, the window open to the air of doubt, uncertainty and
questioning. I find, in all great novels, a human project, call it
passion, love, liberty, justice, inviting us to actualize it to make it
real, even if we know that it is doomed to fail. Quixote knows he fails,
as do Pere Goriot and Anna Karenina and Prince Myshkin. But only through
the consciousness, implicit or explicit, of such failure, do they save,
and help us save, the nature of life itself, human existence and its
values as lived and proposed and remembered by all the ages, all the
races, all the families of humankind, without alienating themselves to
an illusion of unending, certified progress and felicity. After the
experiences of the past century, we can not ignore the tragic exceptions
to happiness and progress that humankind constantly encounters. In
"Light in August", 

William Faulkner opposes and embraces two dissimilar characters, the
mature nymphomaniac Joanna Burden and her young Black lover, Joe
Christmas. Christmas is an agent of freedom. But he knows that his
liberty is limited, even prometehical. He feels like an eagle, hard,
powerful, remorseless, sufficient. But that sensation passes and then he
realizes that his skin is his prison. Joanna Burden wishes, in
possession of Joe's body, to condemn herself, not forever but just a bit
more: "Don't make me pray, God", she pleads. "Let me condemn myself just
a bit longer". 

These are but two of the Faulknerian cast that discover in love the
tragic nature of both freedom and destiny. In Faulkner, knowing that we
are capable of resisting means that we are also capable, in certain
moments, of victory. I highlight this tragic and time- resisting truth
in Faulkner because I find it essential to the very heart-beat of the
novel: Freedom is tragic because it is conscious both of its necessity
and of its boundaries. "I do not hope for victory", writes Kafka.
"Struggle in itself is not blissful, except in the measure that it is
the only thing that I can do ... Perhaps I will finally surrender, not
to the struggle, but to the joy of the struggle". 

"Between pain and nothing, I choose pain", 
Faulkner famously said, adding: "Man will prevail". And is this not,
perhaps, the truth of the novel? Humankind will prevail and it will
prevail because, in spite of the accidents of history, the novel tells
us that art restores the life in us that was disregarded by the haste of
history. Literature makes real what history forgot. And because history
is what has been, literature will offer what history has not always
been. That is why we will never witness --bar universal catastrophe--
the end of history. 

Compare then the words of Franz Kafka and William Faulkner to the
half-baked notions of the end of history and the clash of civilizations.
I speak as a writer in the Spanish language from a continent that is
Iberian, Indian and Mestizo, Black and Mulatto, Atlantic and Pacific,
Mediterranean and Caribbean, Christian, Arab and Jewish, Greek and
Latin. If I am faithful to the accomplishments but above all to the
purposes, to the attainments as well as to the possibilities of my own
culture, I can not accept that we live in a clash of civilizations
because all those that I have evoked are mine, not clashing, but
talking, speaking to one another, disputing in order to understand,
communicating in my very soul the relativity of both triumphalism and
dejection, the need to venture what will never perish even if it has
fallen back ??" my ancient Indian and Islamic cultures ??" and to
earn what thinks of itself as permanent ??" the Western, Christian
strains of my being beyond their present sufficiency ??" and to
celebrate the meeting place of all of them, the place of speech and
thought and memory and imagination that each one of us carries with him
and her, asking us to participate in a dialogue of civilizations and to
deny the end of history. For how can history end as long as we have not
said our last word? 

__________ 

The speech was delivered in English on the opening of the Fifth
International Literature Festival Berlin, on September 6, 2005. Carlos
Fuentes is one of Latin America's most prominent men of letters. Born in
1928 in Panama City, the son of a Mexican diplomat, Fuentes was raised
in Washington, D.C., Buenos Aires, Argentina, and Santiago, Chile. His
major works include: Where the Air is Clearer (1958); The Death of
Artemio Cruz (1962); A Change of Skin (1967); Terra Nostra (1975); The
Hydra Head (1978); The Old Gringo (1985); and The Campaign (1990) 


From michael at intrafi.com  Sun Oct  9 10:19:29 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael)
Date: Sun Oct  9 10:24:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Article from Tom Dispatch
Message-ID: <200510091719.j99HJTEE017707@thor.thenation.com>

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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sun Oct  9 10:22:43 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun Oct  9 10:29:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Do You Know An Engineer Who Wants To Work In Space?
	(NASA's Hiring)
Message-ID: <23384-434951E3-7056@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>

 
That's an email heading I never thought I'd be fowarding....!  But this
sounds like an exciting opportunity.  Jim Burns
_______


"Director says KSC will add 275 jobs; Kennedy briefs 15,000 workers" 

By Todd Halvorson, Florida Today
FloridaToday.com
Posted Online: October 7, 2005 

CAPE CANAVERAL - NASA's Kennedy Space Center will hire 275 new engineers
in the next year to beef up its safety staff and help turn the agency's
shuttle launch site into a spaceport for moon missions, officials said
Thursday. 

Moreover, no major layoffs are anticipated at KSC when NASA retires its
shuttle fleet and starts launching next-generation rockets and
spaceships with a smaller work force. 

"My hope is with normal attrition, not the first person will have to hit
the street that doesn't want to," KSC Director James Kennedy said. 

"Time will tell, but we are committed to trying to make that happen." 

In what amounted to an informal "State Of KSC" address, Kennedy briefed
the center's 15,000 workers for the first time since NASA on Sept. 19
unveiled plans for rockets and spaceships that it will build for moon
missions. 

The briefing also followed White House inquiries into potential cost
savings from an immediate shuttle program shutdown and a congressional
move to divert $104 billion for the moon project to rebuilding the
hurricane-battered Gulf Coast. 

NASA's plan still is to fly the shuttles through September 2010,
completing as much International Space Station assembly work as possible
between now and then. 
Kennedy said the agency intends to fly 18 station assembly flights -- a
reduction from 28 -- plus a repair mission to Hubble Space 
Telescope. 

The No. 1 priority during that period: shuttle flight safety. 

"We cannot afford to fail. Period. The end," Kennedy said. "If we fail
with the shuttle program, for example, the future is very questionable
for all of us." 

The size of the KSC work force is expected to remain stable through the
end of the shuttle program, Kennedy said. But he acknowledged the work
force would shrink as NASA begins launching new rockets and spaceships
for the moon program. 

A significant percentage of the existing work force, however, is
expected to retire or leave for other reasons between now and 2012, so
no major layoffs are expected. 
The new hires in the next year will be made in two areas: safety and new
exploration initiatives. 

KSC still is completing the post-Columbia build-up of its Safety and
Mission Assurance Directorate. The agency also will need engineers to
modify KSC facilities, such as the Vehicle Assembly Building and twin
shuttle launch pads, for the moon project. 

First dibs on new positions will go to employees from other NASA field
centers that currently face work force reductions. 

Said Kennedy: "The hiring we'll be doing to supplement the existing
cadre is going to be targeted initially at our sister centers with an
over-capacity." 


? Copyright 2005 Florida Today


From michael at intrafi.com  Sun Oct  9 13:12:09 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sun Oct  9 13:18:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The dark side of faith
Message-ID: <5510630.1128888729539.JavaMail.turbine@s80>

This story was sent to you by: michael butler

--------------------
The dark side of faith 
--------------------

By ROSA BROOKS

October 1 2005

IT'S OFFICIAL: Too much religion may be a dangerous thing. 

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-brooks1oct01,1,1240960.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage 

Visit latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com
From nycrjmac at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  9 16:05:36 2005
From: nycrjmac at yahoo.com (RJ Mac)
Date: Sun Oct  9 16:12:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Halloween, in the East Village
In-Reply-To: <23385-43494A26-4596@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <20051009230536.73467.qmail@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It's a great event, I've worked it several years.

I expect to be presenting a piece of my upcoming play
as part of that evening as well.

By the way: who on this list IS in the NY area,
anyway?

rj

--- Jim Burns <jameshburns@webtv.net> wrote:

> 
> I believe I may be previously engaged (Ann Darrow's
> having a hoe-down on
> Skull Island, and Carl Denham's promised to bring
> the punch), but for
> those of you in the vicintity, this block party, and
> all night event at
> the Theatre for the New City, sounds like it could
> be grea fun!   JIm
> Burns
> __________
> 
> THEATER FOR THE NEW CITY HOLDS ITS 29th ANNUAL
> VILLAGE HALLOWEEN COSTUME
> BALL OCTOBER 31 Underground stars perform each year
> in TNC's Halloween
> Cabarets. Guests will see, be seen and vie for
> costume prizes.
> Celebrants will sink fangs into Halloween delicacies
> in The Witches'
> Cauldron 
> WHERE AND WHEN: 
> 
> Sunday, October 31, at 155 First Avenue (at E. 10th
> St.) and the block
> of E. 10th St. between 1st and 2nd Avenues
> (presented by Theater for the
> New City) 
> 
> Free outdoor entertainment begins 4:00 pm; doors
> open 7:30 pm $20;
> costume or formal wear required, (212) 254-1109 
> DESCRIPTION: 
> 
>                   Nonstop theater, a
> costume competition and ballroom dancing will
> bewitch the East Village
> in Theater for the New City's 28th annual Village
> Halloween Costume Ball
> on Sunday, October 31 at TNC, 155 First Avenue. This
> unique festival
> continues as a grand coming-together for everyday
> New Yorkers and
> artists alike. A carefree fall tradition, it
> celebrates the creativity
> that comes with the season. 
> 
>                 The one-night fiesta
> takes over all four of TNC's theater spaces, plus
> its lobby and the
> block of East Tenth Street between First and Second
> Avenues. Customarily
> over 1,400 wildly-clad celebrants gather for
> dancing, dining, showing
> off costumes and viewing acts from the cutting-edge
> of Cabaret and
> Theater. Admission is $20; costume or formal wear is
> required. 
> 
>                 Dance orchestras will
> include The Great Paprika Band, a noted Brazilian
> jazz pop orchestra,
> and Hot Lavendar Swing Band, an all-Gay and Lesbian
> 18-piece orchestra. 
> 
>                 With its Witches'
> Cauldron, the event can justifiably claim to have
> downtown's most
> sensational Halloween cafe. The Community Theater of
> TNC becomes an
> atmospheric grande buffet for the event, with a
> variety of American and
> international delicacies available at peoples'
> prices. Holiday dishes
> are contributed by neighboring East Village
> restaurants and a variety of
> private chefs. You can gobble couscous from a coffin
> lid beginning at
> 7:30 pm while enjoying spine-tingling performances
> by Arthur Abrams,
> Norman Savitt with Susan Mitchell, Michelle
> DeAngeles, Soce the
> Elemental Wizard, Salome James & Chuck Muscone,
> Melissa Shetler, Richard
> West, GWAABO and more. 
> 
>                 Outside, there are
> bluegrass and jazz bands, fire eaters, jugglers,
> storyweavers and stilt
> dancers, all free to the public and a gift from TNC
> to its neighborhood.
> Inside, there is theater all evening. 
> 
>                 Since its beginning in
> 1977, TNC's Halloween extravaganza has been a point
> of origin for many
> of the City's most original entertainers. Six
> full-length plays have
> grown out of playlets written for the fest and it is
> probable that the
> theatrical movement in Performance Art began there.
> It has been a
> launching pad for such formative artists as Paul
> Zaloom, Alice Farley,
> Bloolips, The Red Mole, Penny Arcade, Basil Twist
> and Alien Comic Tom
> Murrin. It is also interesting to note TNC
> originated the Village
> Halloween Parade as part of its annual Halloween
> Ball. The procession
> wound its way through the Village from TNC's second
> home at the corner
> of Jane and West Streets to Washington Square Park.
> Now the event takes
> up every available inch (both floors) of TNC's
> multi-theater complex at
> 155 First Avenue (the former First Avenue Retail
> Market building) and
> adjoining outdoor spaces. 
> 
>                 Doors open at 7:30 pm
> and indoor entertainment begins at 8:00 pm. There
> will be two
> continuously-running cabarets. Featured performers
> will include Penny
> Arcade, The Bacher Boys, Zero Boy, Epstein & Hassan,
> steve ben israel,
> Wise Guise, Lavinia Coop, Bina Sharif, The Wycherly
> Sisters, N.Y.
> Ukulele Festival, Margo Lee Sherman, Imagination
> Explosion (puppet
> theater), Levanah (Belly Dance), Billionaires for
> Bush, New York
> Flaggers, Samurai Sword Soul, Jushi, Katherine
> Adamenko, NY Lyric
> Circus, Ambivalent Skin, David Peel, Donald L.
> Brooks, George Bellici,
> Andre Brown (tap), Lissa Moira, Eve Packer, Kevin
> Martin, Joe Bendik,
> Jenn London, Stan Rifkin, Inma Heredia (Flamenco),
> Alex MacDonald,
> Chovexani (gothic belly dance), Jimmy Camicia, Lei
> Zhou, Lauretta
> Auditorium, Mykeo & Axis Danz, Hal Robins and the
> band Liv-I-Culture. 
> 
>                 This year, Outdoor
> entertainment, free to the public, will start at
> 4:00 pm with music by
> Iration Squad, Gary Heidt and Friends, Angela
> Rostick (stilt walker),
> Molly Allis (puppets), British Music Hall (Crystal
> Field, Mark Marcante
> and company) and an assortment of jugglers and
> vaudeville acts including
> fire breathers. Outdoor entertainment is capped by
> "The Red and Black
> Masque," an annual Medieval ritual show written by
> Arthur Sainer, scored
> by David Tice and directed by Crystal Field which is
> performed by
> torchlight. 
> 
>                 Scattered through the
> event will be stilt dancers, jugglers, fire-eaters,
> Vaudeville playlets
> and Burlesque. Lobby attractions will include a
> Wiccan Psychic Reader,
> Astrology/Numerology, an Aura Reader, throwing of
> the I Ching, belly
> dancers, Hellsouls, Laraine Goodman and Paganini
> Apparition. 
> 
>                 The entire facility will
> be elaborately rendered for Halloween, featuring
> intricate and massive
> environments by leading theatrical scenarists,
> sculptors, and artists
> including Donald L. Brooks, Walter Gurbo, Judy Sky,
> Ian Gordon,
> Alexander Bartenieff, Jon D. Andreadakis, Pamela
> Mayo and Evan
> Schlossberg. The Scary Room is by Susan Gittens and
> Friends. 
> 
>                 The annual costume
> judging begins at 11:30 pm with the "Monsters and
> Miracles Costume
> Parade," as all revelers are invited to march past a
> panel of celebrity
> judges. Winners in twelve individual categories will
> receive one-year
> passes to TNC and a bottle of Moet and Chandon
> champagne. This year's
> panel includes celebrity judges Jack Agueros, George
> Ferencz, H.M.
> Koutoukas, Judith Malina, Hannon Reznikoff, Miguel
> Maldonado, John
> Gilman, Bob Heide, Rome Neal, Maria Irene Fornes,
> Miguel Moldonado,
> Sarah Provost, Jane Catherine Shaw, Abigail Ramsay,
> Garland 
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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  9 18:40:28 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Sun Oct  9 18:47:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My wife's first time watching the Hair movie
In-Reply-To: <343c28d0765.2a63ab6a@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <20051010014028.30839.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>

Hair was the second play I did.. the first being HMS Pinafore... (Bah ha ha ha Sorry.. I didn't even know who Gilbert and Sulivan were but wanted to get into theatre.) I had seen the movie Hair when I was younger and before the audition.. I rented it... I liked it.. (but that was all I knew of Hair.. having never seen it on stage.) I remember really liking Woof's hair.. because he reminded me of Neil Smith (original Alice Cooper drummer) I liked the way Berger was so crazy and I really liked (and still do) the dramatic scene between Hud and his fiancee.. though diturbing that he would turn his back on his child to go play with his friends.. I think that for many people in the world (today anyway) that is not an uncommon scene played out daily.. But the thing I dug the most about that scene was the the way the song fit what was going on and the way the cinimatographer played the long shot of Hud walking off with Berger and Co.. and then them talking him into going back to her.
 . (that
 is how I remember it anyway..) I also remember getting choked up when Flesh Failures started.. (From the first time I saw the movie to now after seeing it done on numberous stages.. That remains my favorite song and it always gets me) Now... after doing the play twice and seeing it done many times over.. I like the rest of you dig the stage version much more... I don't feel the movie shows the amount of love that a true hippie tribe should have for one another and never saw what Berger, (who I felt was a pretty cool guy) saw in Beverly D Angelo's Sheila... Then again... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.. I didn't notice the other things that you noticed.. ie: The running across the street from the Jail into Central Park... BUt that is interesting.... I am sure if I watched it today I wouldn't like it as much but I bet I would still like it. 
 
Oh funny story.. Upon watching it the second time in 97, (two nights before auditions) I went to the audition and tried out for Berger... As I turned in my audition notice... I remember saying to Leo.. "I won't cut my hair though." (as in the Movie Berger cuts his) Leo, Smiled and said, "I wouldn't want you to brother," I got the role and was excited but then I found I didn't get to sing half the songs I thought I did... (as in the movie Berger sings alot of teh Claude songs.) 
 
I told Leo on our return from La Mama... That had I not gotten the Berger role.. I was not sure I would have taken a supporting role.. (not that I was or am sitting on any high horse, but.. it's just that I lived aways away from the theatre and I wasn't sure it would have been worth my driving to.) ... Today... I'd take any role... as Hair was so much more than a play... It was becoming one with the tribe it was.... becoming a true hippy.
 
 
JIM

Sean Courtney <dauber@banana-and-louie.org> wrote:
First of all...a warning to anybody on this list who hasn't seen the 1979
movie...this account of my Saturday evening might have a spoiler or two....

Okay...so I'm taking Monday off to share a three-day weekend with my wife,
who as a teacher has Columbus Day off...and Lisa suggested watching a DVD to
pass part of the evening together. I said cool, but I don't have anything
I'm dying to watch right now, so you pick. She went through our DVD
collection and said "Hmm...you think I should see Hair?" She had gone with
Tioga Joe and me to see a pretty....blah...production here in Jersey a few
years ago...

Now...Lisa is not a Hair fan, really, but does appreciate it and its
importance and does want to see a truly good production of one. Before
seeing the movie tonight, she did see that one production and read the 1969 book
(and therefore knows the basic plot of the stage show),
went to the reunion with me, and knows a lot about '60s pop culture. Having
said that, here are her comments about the movie, all of which she asked me
to share with you folks....most of this she couldn't even say without
breaking into laughter -- and I don't mean that in a good way, either! :)

- First, the choreography. During "Aquarius" she said it was "way too
ballet," "too West Side Story," and "fruity", but she always thought the choreography was supposed to be a bit more free-form.

- Poor setting up of the plot...During the first several scenes, you have no
idea who most of the main characters are, their relationship to each other,
or even what time period it's supposed to be -- you can only assume the late
1960s because it's well-known that it's a period piece [when I typed that, I
accidentally typed "peace" -- not bad, eh? :) ] for that time...

- "You're supposed to LIKE the hippies, right?" she said. Lisa felt that the
main characters were pretty hostile to each other -- Woof and Hud at each
other during the "Colored Spade" scene, Hud and his fianc??? Berger and
Claude toward the end of the movie, etc. And the fact that you're not given
a good intro to the characters just adds to that separation between the
viewer and the rapport with the characters.

- It's established that Shelia lives in Short Hills. Why would a girl from Short Hills, NJ be, in full riding gear, riding a horse in Central Park?
Especially when 1) there aren't any facilities in Manhattan for residents to
keep horses? (or are there?) and 2) when there are plenty of places in and
around Short Hills for that kind of thing?

Other comments from the better half:

- "The first 20 minutes of the movie is more about horses than hippies!"

- "Claude seemed to lose his Oklahoma accent over the course of the film."

- "It was just bad. It was just really bad."

- "I could have lived without seeing Beverly D'Angelo's tits several times."

- "Hair is not supposed to leave you with a bleah feeling, right?"

- "Claude had this look on his face like he had to take a dump."

- "It was pretty obvious that a lot of the men were wearing wigs."

- "Berger looked like a Muppet."

- "Berger was also extremely annoying. When he was trying to con the MP, I
wanted the MP to take out a gun and shoot him! I laughed at the ending when
Berger's being marched off with the troops because he screwed himself over."

As you can see, Lisa didn't like the movie. At all. Period. And you know
what? I loved it when I first saw it as a 15-year-old in 1990, but every
time I saw it again, especially after I first saw a stage production in
1996, it got worse and worse. And I keep noticing things that just don't
make sense:
- how they get arrested in Short Hills and run across the street from jail
into Central Park...
- The army scene when that Washington rally somehow interferes with the PA
system in Nevada....what the hell sense does that make?!
- So Berger and company hang out with Claude for, what, 40 hours or so? So
they barely know the guy, yet months after he leaves for the army they drive
across the country, with Berger sacrificing his hair, just to see him for a
couple of hours???

Strange....very strange...

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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  9 18:44:14 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Sun Oct  9 18:51:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Halloween, in the East Village
In-Reply-To: <23385-43494A26-4596@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <20051010014414.193.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

Wow... that sounds like  alot of fun... Can't make it this year but maybe next.. or the following... 31st annual on the 31st..  Please keep us reminded next year.. Wish I could make it this year... JIM

Jim Burns <jameshburns@webtv.net> wrote:
I believe I may be previously engaged (Ann Darrow's having a hoe-down on
Skull Island, and Carl Denham's promised to bring the punch), but for
those of you in the vicintity, this block party, and all night event at
the Theatre for the New City, sounds like it could be grea fun! JIm
Burns
__________

THEATER FOR THE NEW CITY HOLDS ITS 29th ANNUAL VILLAGE HALLOWEEN COSTUME
BALL OCTOBER 31 Underground stars perform each year in TNC's Halloween
Cabarets. Guests will see, be seen and vie for costume prizes.
Celebrants will sink fangs into Halloween delicacies in The Witches'
Cauldron 
WHERE AND WHEN: 

Sunday, October 31, at 155 First Avenue (at E. 10th St.) and the block
of E. 10th St. between 1st and 2nd Avenues (presented by Theater for the
New City) 

Free outdoor entertainment begins 4:00 pm; doors open 7:30 pm $20;
costume or formal wear required, (212) 254-1109 
DESCRIPTION: 

??????????????????Nonstop theater, a
costume competition and ballroom dancing will bewitch the East Village
in Theater for the New City's 28th annual Village Halloween Costume Ball
on Sunday, October 31 at TNC, 155 First Avenue. This unique festival
continues as a grand coming-together for everyday New Yorkers and
artists alike. A carefree fall tradition, it celebrates the creativity
that comes with the season. 

????????????????The one-night fiesta
takes over all four of TNC's theater spaces, plus its lobby and the
block of East Tenth Street between First and Second Avenues. Customarily
over 1,400 wildly-clad celebrants gather for dancing, dining, showing
off costumes and viewing acts from the cutting-edge of Cabaret and
Theater. Admission is $20; costume or formal wear is required. 

????????????????Dance orchestras will
include The Great Paprika Band, a noted Brazilian jazz pop orchestra,
and Hot Lavendar Swing Band, an all-Gay and Lesbian 18-piece orchestra. 

????????????????With its Witches'
Cauldron, the event can justifiably claim to have downtown's most
sensational Halloween cafe. The Community Theater of TNC becomes an
atmospheric grande buffet for the event, with a variety of American and
international delicacies available at peoples' prices. Holiday dishes
are contributed by neighboring East Village restaurants and a variety of
private chefs. You can gobble couscous from a coffin lid beginning at
7:30 pm while enjoying spine-tingling performances by Arthur Abrams,
Norman Savitt with Susan Mitchell, Michelle DeAngeles, Soce the
Elemental Wizard, Salome James & Chuck Muscone, Melissa Shetler, Richard
West, GWAABO and more. 

????????????????Outside, there are
bluegrass and jazz bands, fire eaters, jugglers, storyweavers and stilt
dancers, all free to the public and a gift from TNC to its neighborhood.
Inside, there is theater all evening. 

????????????????Since its beginning in
1977, TNC's Halloween extravaganza has been a point of origin for many
of the City's most original entertainers. Six full-length plays have
grown out of playlets written for the fest and it is probable that the
theatrical movement in Performance Art began there. It has been a
launching pad for such formative artists as Paul Zaloom, Alice Farley,
Bloolips, The Red Mole, Penny Arcade, Basil Twist and Alien Comic Tom
Murrin. It is also interesting to note TNC originated the Village
Halloween Parade as part of its annual Halloween Ball. The procession
wound its way through the Village from TNC's second home at the corner
of Jane and West Streets to Washington Square Park. Now the event takes
up every available inch (both floors) of TNC's multi-theater complex at
155 First Avenue (the former First Avenue Retail Market building) and
adjoining outdoor spaces. 

????????????????Doors open at 7:30 pm
and indoor entertainment begins at 8:00 pm. There will be two
continuously-running cabarets. Featured performers will include Penny
Arcade, The Bacher Boys, Zero Boy, Epstein & Hassan, steve ben israel,
Wise Guise, Lavinia Coop, Bina Sharif, The Wycherly Sisters, N.Y.
Ukulele Festival, Margo Lee Sherman, Imagination Explosion (puppet
theater), Levanah (Belly Dance), Billionaires for Bush, New York
Flaggers, Samurai Sword Soul, Jushi, Katherine Adamenko, NY Lyric
Circus, Ambivalent Skin, David Peel, Donald L. Brooks, George Bellici,
Andre Brown (tap), Lissa Moira, Eve Packer, Kevin Martin, Joe Bendik,
Jenn London, Stan Rifkin, Inma Heredia (Flamenco), Alex MacDonald,
Chovexani (gothic belly dance), Jimmy Camicia, Lei Zhou, Lauretta
Auditorium, Mykeo & Axis Danz, Hal Robins and the band Liv-I-Culture. 

????????????????This year, Outdoor
entertainment, free to the public, will start at 4:00 pm with music by
Iration Squad, Gary Heidt and Friends, Angela Rostick (stilt walker),
Molly Allis (puppets), British Music Hall (Crystal Field, Mark Marcante
and company) and an assortment of jugglers and vaudeville acts including
fire breathers. Outdoor entertainment is capped by "The Red and Black
Masque," an annual Medieval ritual show written by Arthur Sainer, scored
by David Tice and directed by Crystal Field which is performed by
torchlight. 

????????????????Scattered through the
event will be stilt dancers, jugglers, fire-eaters, Vaudeville playlets
and Burlesque. Lobby attractions will include a Wiccan Psychic Reader,
Astrology/Numerology, an Aura Reader, throwing of the I Ching, belly
dancers, Hellsouls, Laraine Goodman and Paganini Apparition. 

????????????????The entire facility will
be elaborately rendered for Halloween, featuring intricate and massive
environments by leading theatrical scenarists, sculptors, and artists
including Donald L. Brooks, Walter Gurbo, Judy Sky, Ian Gordon,
Alexander Bartenieff, Jon D. Andreadakis, Pamela Mayo and Evan
Schlossberg. The Scary Room is by Susan Gittens and Friends. 

????????????????The annual costume
judging begins at 11:30 pm with the "Monsters and Miracles Costume
Parade," as all revelers are invited to march past a panel of celebrity
judges. Winners in twelve individual categories will receive one-year
passes to TNC and a bottle of Moet and Chandon champagne. This year's
panel includes celebrity judges Jack Agueros, George Ferencz, H.M.
Koutoukas, Judith Malina, Hannon Reznikoff, Miguel Maldonado, John
Gilman, Bob Heide, Rome Neal, Maria Irene Fornes, Miguel Moldonado,
Sarah Provost, Jane Catherine Shaw, Abigail Ramsay, Garland Lee
Thompson, Roberta Wallach and David Willinger. Attendees will be judged
in such categories as "Most Magickal," "Most Psychic," "Most Bo-Toxic,"
"Most Pissed about Katrina," "Most Socially-Promoted," "Most Scared of
Bird Flu," "Most Bush-Whacked," "Most No-Bid Contract," "Most Delay-ed,"
"Most Hybrid," "Most Corporate Welfare," "Most Fraudulent Election,"
"Most Appointed Crony" and "Most Born-Again, and Again, and Again." 

????????????????The performers' list
continues to grow as of this writing. Theater for the New City is
located at 155 First Avenue, at the corner of East Tenth Street.
Reservations are strongly recommended. The TNC box office number is
(212) 254-1109. 
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From: geomilman at milman.com (George R. Milman)
Date: Mon Oct 10 11:21:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: The latest from "Swami Beyondananda"
Message-ID: <E1EP2AH-0001hG-O7@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Some wisdom from a funny guy.

 

 

The latest from "Swami Beyondananda":

1.  The Silence of the Lambs or Wither the Democrats?
2.  Happy Columbo's Day

1. The Silence of the Lambs, or Wither the Democrats?
By Steve Bhaerman

At a time when the Bush regime has been gravely wounded by its own policies
and players, the Democrats seem to have been caught with their plans down.
In two scathing pieces, one by Cindy Sheehan and the other by Ralph Nader,
two folks who see through the scam are wondering very loudly whether the
Democrats have finally outstripped the Republicans in the "obsolete
political party" sweepstakes.

The biggest issue seems to be that Democrats are afraid to boldly imagine a
policy for peace, justice and transparency in the world, something that
millions and millions of the rest of us can just about taste.  The sad fact
that our entire government is a fully-owned subsidiary of the
military-industrial complex doesn't help either.  So Democrats who want to
remain viable, credible -- and fundable -- must confine their criticism to
peripherals and puff themselves up in righteousness and declare that they
would do a better job at domination than the current gang would.  Sorry,
Joes Lieberman and Biden, but nobody is going to believe that.  And while
Hillary and Karl Rove going mano-a-mano in an HBO mud-wrestling special
would make great TV, it ain't gonna help the Democrats.

So, what would?  Well, first of all let's think of the Democratic Party
leadership as a wayward brother with a life-threatening addiction to
gutlessness and powerlessness.  Let's also consider that this gutlessness
and powerlessness habit is mighty expensive.  Think about all that money
True Majority and MoveOn.org raised last year from people like you and me
just so that John Kerry could end up not questioning the very questionable
discrepancy between the exit polls and voting results in Ohio and other key
states.  I say it's time for an intervention.

The "Empty Envelopes for Empty Promises" Campaign

What if we stopped enabling their powerlessness habit by no longer funding
it?  I don't know about you, but I get three to five emails a week from some
branch of the Democratic Party asking for donations.  What if we not only
didn't send them anything but instead sent the Democratic National Committee
empty envelopes for the next two months?  I would call this the "Empty
Envelopes for Empty Promises" campaign, and it might hit the Democrats where
they live -- in their pocketbooks and their constituency.

Instead of money in the envelope, there should be a note saying, "Sorry, but
I no longer choose to financially support your addiction to powerlessness.
I will withhold any contribution until you check yourselves into a program."
(More about  possible program a couple of paragraphs down.)  Meanwhile, I
would indicate in this note that the contribution heretofore meant for the
Democrats is now going to another group.  I would recommend the Progressive
Democrats of America (PDA), who are doing the work the Democrats really
ought to be doing but are hopelessly underfunded.  If you consider 100,000
people who were going to send the Democrats ten bucks each now shifting that
to PDA, you can see the huge leverage point there.  The Democratic
leadership -- who probably urinate more than the PDA spends -- would still
feel the hurt.  But the PDA could turn the shoestring it currently operates
under into an entire string of shoe stores!  Another good alternative:  You
can donate money to afterdowningstreet.org to help them raise money for a
public opinion poll on impeachment.  (More below.)

Seriously.  There were somewhere between 100,000 and 300,000 people who
physically showed up for the peace march in Washington two weeks ago.  Last
I looked, more than 600,000 had signed the petition calling for George
Bush's impeachment.  What if the Democratic Party received 100,000 to
600,000 empty envelopes with the aforementioned note or something like it?
What if they experienced a precipitous drop in individual contributions
accompanied by a "declaration of independence" from the Democratic Party?

Yes, that's right.  A declaration of independence.  Less than a week after
Kerry's defeat last November, Rabbi Michael Lerner, speaking at the Green
Festival in San Francisco, made a very cogent point:  Those on the left were
so determined to defeat George Bush that they supported John Kerry without
asking for a thing from him, least of all integrity.  While they defended
Kerry against the "flip-flopper" charges, they fully expected him to
flip-flop once elected and change his position on the war!  Yes, I know.  I
voted against Bush too, and urged others to do the same.  As I said at the
time, when we fail to choose the lesser of two evils we end up with ... the
greater evil.

But now that we've had an opportunity to see the Democrats "inaction" since
that time - particularly in the all-important area of presenting a truly
compelling alternative vision -- we can now see that the greatest "evil" we
now face is putting our faith, work and resource into a political party that
disempowers us.  Time to tell the Democrats that their party is over ...
unless.

Unless they agree to hold a new leadership conference next spring where the
leaders of the party listen to some real new thinkers (I could suggest
dozens) who can point us towards a future worth living in.  This could
re-infuse the mid-term elections in 2006 with a lot of new energy and a way
to test the new ideas on the American public.  For one thing, I could see
the Democratic Party finally breaking away from its positionality and
offering breakthrough policies where, for example, environmentalists and
industry could work together in the light of transparency and public
scrutiny to develop a win-win plan for the future.  (If you think this is
impossible, you aren't paying attention.  There are people throughout all
levels of government and the corporate world who see the bigger picture and
want to serve the "Big Me" instead of the small one.  All that's been
lacking is a movement and a context.  But that's for a subsequent article.)

Basically, what we the people need to do is to give the Democrats an
ultimatum:  Either develop a compelling program for the new millennium and
stand by your stand, or we're out of the relationship.  Two months of
severely dropped contributions should have some impact.  If it doesn't, then
we know the Democrats are truly wed to being the "loyal opposition" -- loyal
to the Republicans and military industrial complex, that is.  Nobody likes
ending a relationship, especially one with such rich history and great
nostalgia.  But we can't propel ourselves into the 21st century on fumes
from the New Deal.  It may be time to say "thanks for the memories," and
we're moving on.

What is being called for is an evolution, and if we want anything to change
for the better, we the people must evolve with or without the Democratic
Party.  Should the party fall into line behind the people, then that in and
of itself indicates they are ready to lead us into the new millennium.
Should they not, we should be prepared to create a Third Force for 2008 with
some repercussions for 2006.  Just as I once suggested that the Green Party
hand out "green stamps" of support for Democrats or other candidates who
resonated with their views, for 2006 this Third Force -- whether it's the
Greens or someone else -- can offer endorsements of those who support these
new paradigm policies.

Change is not easy, but it is required.  Resistance is to be expected.  As
the Swami has said, "we cannot expect an entire culture to just turn on a
paradigm."  But at some point, we need to move past the protest and
complaining and move the constructive conversation forward.  We can't keep
pretending the Democrats are worth supporting just because they aren't
Republicans.  Nothing could be more disempowering.  Time for those of us who
can see a better world to put up or shut up -- and invite the Democratic
Party to do the same.



2. Celebrate Columbo's Day and Help Solve an Unsolved Mystery

Well, here we are at another one of those shadow holidays -- Columbo's Day.
I must mean Columbus Day, right?  Well, it's Columbus Day for some who
believe that Columbus discovered America.  But last year in the wake of the
election fraud in Ohio, many, many Americans discovered Columbus -- and saw
America's shadow.  And this has given birth to a new shadow holiday --
Columbo's Day -- named after the great TV detective, who (according to
Wikipedia) "inevitably solved his cases through close attention to tiny
inconsistencies in a suspect's story, hounding them until they confessed."
I say the time is right for we the people to emulate Columbo, scratch our
heads, and ask unasked questions and question unquestioned answers:

"Just one more thing.  Help me on this one.  Exit polls have been used for
years by election observers to determine the integrity of elections.  If the
polls and the voting results don't match, they call it fraud.  A contingent
of university statisticians concluded that the odds of the discrepancy that
actually did occur in 2004 being accidental was a million to one.  Hmm.  A
million-to-one shot comes in, and it doesn't even make the sports pages.
Was that some kind of fraudian slip?"

"I'm a little confused.  Let me see if I have my facts straight.  Some
schlemiel in a Piper strays off course and two fighter jets are on him
before he can say 'Sky King.'  Meanwhile, four passenger planes actually
reverse course without any communication and none of them are stopped.  Nah.
That can't be right.  I must be making that up."

"Here's something that's been puzzling me.  This country is led into war
under false pretenses, and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians are
condemned to death by shock and awe.  So, karmically-speaking, who exactly
gets charged with those murders -- is it our government for fooling us?  Or
us for letting ourselves be fooled?"

This Monday, let's "celebrate" Columbo's Day by calling our news agencies
and reporters and TV and radio stations -- not to mention friends, family,
neighbors and associates -- and asking some of these questions.  Whatever
did happen to the anthrax investigation?  How about the trillion dollars
that disappeared from the Defense Department?  Make up your own question.
Guaranteed that the more we question, the more questionable their answers
become.

This massive movement for truth doesn't even have a name yet, but already
they're hiring a polling service to find out what percentage of Americans
favor impeaching the President.  To find out more and contribute to this
campaign, click here.  As you may or may not know, a similar Zogby poll --
privately funded -- just over a year ago revealed that nearly 50% of New
Yorkers believed then (and maybe more do now) that the Administration knew
about 9/11 and purposely let it happen -- or actually facilitated it.

 And while we're hiring outside agencies, here is a thought for Columbo's
Day.  It's a classic noir theme.  A suspicious husband or wife hires a
private eye to shadow a spouse they suspect of cheating on them.  OK.  I
think millions and millions of Americans now have this gnawing suspicion
that our government is cheating on us.  So why don't we pool our resources
-- let's say a million suspicious Americans kicking in $10 each -- and hire
some investigators to shadow the shadowy dealings of our "public servants?"
You know, I am only partly kidding.

With each passing day, it's becoming more and more clear how we the people
have been disenfranchised from our own government.  The Administration no
longer even tries to hide the cronyism and sweetheart deals, and the hints
are becoming even broader that the ultimate use of our military is to
protect the American government from the American people.  The good news is,
more and more people are awakening from the American dream and facing the
potential American nightmare.

But if the awakening is to result in a true evolutionary breakthrough, we
have to get it and get it clearly:  There is no one up there in political
power-land who is going to save us.  Leadership from the top down will only
get us "fooled again."  The name of the game now is leadership from the
grassroots groundswell up -- and that's nobody but you and me, and hundreds
of thousands and soon-to-be millions who are having the same realization.
Our task is simple, but formidable:  To recapture the heart and soul of the
"progressive" party in America (or build a new one, and quickly), and to
encourage those in corporate media who haven't yet been "ethically-cleansed"
to do right by the spirit of Ed Murrow.  Otherwise, for American democracy
and freedom, it's "good night and good luck."
    
Steve Bhaerman/Swami Beyondananda
http://www.wakeuplaughing.com/

 

 

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Oct 10 16:42:15 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Oct 10 16:49:06 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
Message-ID: <BF704A67.247A2%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Today is Ben Vereen's birthday.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Ben
And many more

From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 10 16:48:40 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Mon Oct 10 16:55:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 16:57:21 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Oct 10 17:04:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV144801E01DEF2069F67F87AB790@phx.gbl>

Hello Ben and "Happy Birthday"..... We used to be neighbors on W. 88th St in NYC in fact I took your girls to the circus one night when someone had given you a group of tickets.... :-)  of course that was about 1970 or so...

Peace Love and Freedom....

Barbara DiSalvia Siomos

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From: Cara Robin
Sent: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:48:40 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: RE: [Mb-hair] Big Day


From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 10 17:24:24 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Mon Oct 10 17:55:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] If ya can't beat 'em...with link!
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 10 18:51:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
References: <BF704A67.247A2%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <007201c5ce05$46886770$f1476c42@hotprojects>

happy birthday ben
is ben part of this letter group?

and its an important birthday too i think?

mazel tov ben

richard haase
( im currently in the thickets with the money people and hope jesus willing
to have a really nice present for you )
cine dane
a hundred more
mazel tov ben vereen
you are on my very short list of heroes ( is that how you spell the plural )
( 7 )


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From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:42 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day


> Today is Ben Vereen's birthday.
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Ben
> And many more
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 21:32:39 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Oct 10 21:39:50 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My wife's first time watching the Hair movie
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1175EAD2BE85C7185BF7F6AB780@phx.gbl>

I have NOT finished reading your email as yet Dauber but had to tell you I lived on 88th St. on the upper west side for about  10 years or so and out of my living room window on 89th St. is/was a stable that was very very busy and boarded horses for rental as well as horses for private use.

Guess you have never been to Central Park when the folks are riding their horses along the bridal paths as they were in the movie.

Get back to you later.

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Courtney
Sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:44:37 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] My wife's first time watching the Hair movie

First of all...a warning to anybody on this list who hasn't seen the 1979
movie...this account of my Saturday evening might have a spoiler or two...

Okay...so I'm taking Monday off to share a three-day weekend with my wife,
who as a teacher has Columbus Day off...and Lisa suggested watching a DVD to
pass part of the evening together. I said cool, but I don't have anything
I'm dying to watch right now, so you pick. She went through our DVD
collection and said "Hmm...you think I should see Hair?" She had gone with
Tioga Joe and me to see a pretty....blah...production here in Jersey a few
years ago...

Now...Lisa is not a Hair fan, really, but does appreciate it and its
importance and does want to see a truly good production of one. Before
seeing the movie tonight, she did see that one production and read the 1969 book
(and therefore knows the basic plot of the stage show),
went to the reunion with me, and knows a lot about '60s pop culture. Having
said that, here are her comments about the movie, all of which she asked me
to share with you folks....most of this she couldn't even say without
breaking into laughter -- and I don't mean that in a good way, either! :)

- First, the choreography. During "Aquarius" she said it was "way too
ballet," "too West Side Story," and "fruity", but she always thought the choreography was supposed to be a bit more free-form.

- Poor setting up of the plot...During the first several scenes, you have no
idea who most of the main characters are, their relationship to each other,
or even what time period it's supposed to be -- you can only assume the late
1960s because it's well-known that it's a period piece [when I typed that, I
accidentally typed "peace" -- not bad, eh? :)  ] for that time...

- "You're supposed to LIKE the hippies, right?" she said. Lisa felt that the
main characters were pretty hostile to each other -- Woof and Hud at each
other during the "Colored Spade" scene, Hud and his fiance, Berger and
Claude toward the end of the movie, etc. And the fact that you're not given
a good intro to the characters just adds to that separation between the
viewer and the rapport with the characters.

 - It's established that Shelia lives in Short Hills. Why would a girl from Short Hills, NJ be, in full riding gear, riding a horse in Central Park?
Especially when 1) there aren't any facilities in Manhattan for residents to
keep horses? (or are there?) and 2) when there are plenty of places in and
around Short Hills for that kind of thing?

Other comments from the better half:

- "The first 20 minutes of the movie is more about horses than hippies!"

- "Claude seemed to lose his Oklahoma accent over the course of the film."

- "It was just bad. It was just really bad."

- "I could have lived without seeing Beverly D'Angelo's tits several times."

- "Hair is not supposed to leave you with a bleah feeling, right?"

- "Claude had this look on his face like he had to take a dump."

- "It was pretty obvious that a lot of the men were wearing wigs."

- "Berger looked like a Muppet."

- "Berger was also extremely annoying. When he was trying to con the MP, I
wanted the MP to take out a gun and shoot him! I laughed at the ending when
Berger's being marched off with the troops because he screwed himself over."

As you can see, Lisa didn't like the movie. At all. Period. And you know
what? I loved it when I first saw it as a 15-year-old in 1990, but every
time I saw it again, especially after I first saw a stage production in
1996, it got worse and worse. And I keep noticing things that just don't
make sense:
- how they get arrested in Short Hills and run across the street from jail
into Central Park...
- The army scene when that Washington rally somehow interferes with the PA
system in Nevada....what the hell sense does that make?!
- So Berger and company hang out with Claude for, what, 40 hours or so? So
they barely know the guy, yet months after he leaves for the army they drive
across the country, with Berger sacrificing his hair, just to see him for a
couple of hours???

Strange....very strange...

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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Oct 10 21:45:22 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Oct 10 21:52:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] My wife's first time watching the Hair movie
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV49C28699E8E53BF5F5C4DAB780@phx.gbl>

Back again......

I am not going to comment on your and your wife's feelings about the movie... except to say I truly feel bad that you cannot understand why someone would drive across the country to visit someone who made the sacrifice to be in the army just to visit him for a couple of hours even though they had not know him for too long..... I can only say I guess that is one of those times when "You just had to be there". The summer of Love, Peace and Love, Loving one Another, those times were special.

Wish you could have been there Dauber and I wish Lisa could have a better feel for the times (60's).

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Courtney
Sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:44:37 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] My wife's first time watching the Hair movie

First of all...a warning to anybody on this list who hasn't seen the 1979
movie...this account of my Saturday evening might have a spoiler or two...

Okay...so I'm taking Monday off to share a three-day weekend with my wife,
who as a teacher has Columbus Day off...and Lisa suggested watching a DVD to
pass part of the evening together. I said cool, but I don't have anything
I'm dying to watch right now, so you pick. She went through our DVD
collection and said "Hmm...you think I should see Hair?" She had gone with
Tioga Joe and me to see a pretty....blah...production here in Jersey a few
years ago...

Now...Lisa is not a Hair fan, really, but does appreciate it and its
importance and does want to see a truly good production of one. Before
seeing the movie tonight, she did see that one production and read the 1969 book
(and therefore knows the basic plot of the stage show),
went to the reunion with me, and knows a lot about '60s pop culture. Having
said that, here are her comments about the movie, all of which she asked me
to share with you folks....most of this she couldn't even say without
breaking into laughter -- and I don't mean that in a good way, either! :)

- First, the choreography. During "Aquarius" she said it was "way too
ballet," "too West Side Story," and "fruity", but she always thought the choreography was supposed to be a bit more free-form.

- Poor setting up of the plot...During the first several scenes, you have no
idea who most of the main characters are, their relationship to each other,
or even what time period it's supposed to be -- you can only assume the late
1960s because it's well-known that it's a period piece [when I typed that, I
accidentally typed "peace" -- not bad, eh? :)  ] for that time...

- "You're supposed to LIKE the hippies, right?" she said. Lisa felt that the
main characters were pretty hostile to each other -- Woof and Hud at each
other during the "Colored Spade" scene, Hud and his fiance, Berger and
Claude toward the end of the movie, etc. And the fact that you're not given
a good intro to the characters just adds to that separation between the
viewer and the rapport with the characters.

 - It's established that Shelia lives in Short Hills. Why would a girl from Short Hills, NJ be, in full riding gear, riding a horse in Central Park?
Especially when 1) there aren't any facilities in Manhattan for residents to
keep horses? (or are there?) and 2) when there are plenty of places in and
around Short Hills for that kind of thing?

Other comments from the better half:

- "The first 20 minutes of the movie is more about horses than hippies!"

- "Claude seemed to lose his Oklahoma accent over the course of the film."

- "It was just bad. It was just really bad."

- "I could have lived without seeing Beverly D'Angelo's tits several times."

- "Hair is not supposed to leave you with a bleah feeling, right?"

- "Claude had this look on his face like he had to take a dump."

- "It was pretty obvious that a lot of the men were wearing wigs."

- "Berger looked like a Muppet."

- "Berger was also extremely annoying. When he was trying to con the MP, I
wanted the MP to take out a gun and shoot him! I laughed at the ending when
Berger's being marched off with the troops because he screwed himself over."

As you can see, Lisa didn't like the movie. At all. Period. And you know
what? I loved it when I first saw it as a 15-year-old in 1990, but every
time I saw it again, especially after I first saw a stage production in
1996, it got worse and worse. And I keep noticing things that just don't
make sense:
- how they get arrested in Short Hills and run across the street from jail
into Central Park...
- The army scene when that Washington rally somehow interferes with the PA
system in Nevada....what the hell sense does that make?!
- So Berger and company hang out with Claude for, what, 40 hours or so? So
they barely know the guy, yet months after he leaves for the army they drive
across the country, with Berger sacrificing his hair, just to see him for a
couple of hours???

Strange....very strange...

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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 10 22:57:59 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Mon Oct 10 23:04:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] fyi: Abie Baby
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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 11 05:14:41 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Tue Oct 11 05:21:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
In-Reply-To: <BF704A67.247A2%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20051011121442.85393.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

Happy Birthday Ben... Hope to see you at the next gathering of the minds... JIM

Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com> wrote:Today is Ben Vereen's birthday.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Ben
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Oct 11 05:35:49 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Oct 11 05:42:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
References: <20051011121442.85393.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00d001c5ce60$51de1ba0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

good morning jim; good morning nina; good morning michael silver indian
good morning tribe ( good morning sherwin new york says hello )
is ben phsyically part of this letter group?


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  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Big Day


  Happy Birthday Ben... Hope to see you at the next gathering of the minds... JIM

  Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com> wrote: 
    Today is Ben Vereen's birthday.
    HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Ben
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Tue Oct 11 05:44:10 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Tue Oct 11 05:51:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] and i still say we should have a chat room
Message-ID: <013b01c5ce61$7a2d5cf0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

because if you look at the rhythm of the speech in here
the fast back and forth\
there are a lot of " conversations " going on in almost real time at times
a chat room would also allow more than two people to be exchanging ideas etc


and i understand its very simple to set up a yahoo chatroom

im just a computer troglydyte ( spelling? )

?

anyway peace morning morning
me back to work
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From elizabethesquibel at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 11 13:13:11 2005
From: elizabethesquibel at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Esquibel)
Date: Tue Oct 11 13:20:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Big Day
Message-ID: <BAY107-F10D8B4DE16032C7F824BD6BF780@phx.gbl>

Happy Birthday Ben!!!

Turned on the T.V. this morning and saw your cute little face on ET 
recognizing your Big Day. Sorry I missed you at the reunion. See you at the 
next one!! OK? Have the Best Day Ever!!!!

Love & Peace Forever~Elizabeth Caveness Esquibel

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From michael at intrafi.com  Tue Oct 11 16:07:28 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael)
Date: Tue Oct 11 16:12:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Article from Tom Dispatch
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From: akrpan at earthlink.net (Anita Krpan)
Date: Wed Oct 12 12:22:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: Big Day
In-Reply-To: <200510121900.j9CJ0BuW028350@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
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Ben,

Hope you made lots of great memories on your birthday!
You deserve all life's very best.

Anita Krpan


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Happy Birthday Ben!!!

Turned on the T.V. this morning and saw your cute little face on ET
recognizing your Big Day. Sorry I missed you at the reunion. See you at the
next one!! OK? Have the Best Day Ever!!!!

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From michael at intrafi.com  Thu Oct 13 07:01:44 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Oct 13 07:08:44 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Junking Science
Message-ID: <20051013140144.EE68DB80AD@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



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Junking Science
http://www.alternet.org/story/26559

>From Terry Schiavo to global warming, the author of 'The Republican War on Science' explains how conservatives undermine science by whipping up controversy and manipulating the media. 
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From michael at intrafi.com  Thu Oct 13 07:10:00 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Oct 13 07:17:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: 10 Pledges to Demand from Democrats
Message-ID: <20051013141000.222E2B80A6@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



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10 Pledges to Demand from Democrats
http://www.alternet.org/story/26759

If Dems win in the 2006 and 2008 elections, but fail to define what they stand for, the country will be no better off. Here's how Democrats can again become a great party.
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From michael at intrafi.com  Thu Oct 13 07:10:44 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Oct 13 07:17:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Better Off Without Him?
Message-ID: <20051013141044.73E60B80A6@alternet.org>


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Better Off Without Him?
http://www.alternet.org/story/26721

Christian fundamentalists claim religion is associated with lower rates of violence, teen pregnancy and divorce. A new study says they couldn't be more wrong.
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From michael at intrafi.com  Thu Oct 13 15:30:16 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Oct 13 15:46:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Story from Grist Magazine
Message-ID: <200510132230.j9DMUGcF085200@grist2.electricembers.net>


I thought you might be interested in this feature in Grist Magazine:

Refiner Madness, by Amanda Griscom Little. Senate's stab at energy legislation may be more moderate than House bill. 
http://www.grist.org/news/muck/2005/10/13/gas/index.html?source=muck
From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Thu Oct 13 20:06:40 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Thu Oct 13 19:20:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: My wife's first time watching the Hair movie
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV49C28699E8E53BF5F5C4DAB780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <34429b487d4.1a5ebcf3@outgoing.verizon.net>

On 10/11/2005, Barbara Siomos wrote:

> I am not going to comment on your and your wife's feelings about the
> movie... except to say I truly feel bad that you cannot understand why
> someone would drive across the country to visit someone who made the
> sacrifice to be in the army just to visit him for a couple of hours
> even though they had not know him for too long..... I can only say I
> guess that is one of those times when "You just had to be there". The
> summer of Love, Peace and Love, Loving one Another, those times were
> special.

Well, I wasn't around then...I guess it's like how you have people like my
grandfather, who was watching football a couple of years ago and yelling
about how all the players and even the coach were black. (I think "shines"
was the actual term.) And he doesn't realize why I roll my eyes and get
pissy when he makes those comments.

To be honest with you, though, the "made the sacrifice to be in the Army"
part didn't cross my mind...now that I think about it, before Berger danced
on the table with Charlotte Rae, part of his argument was about how Claude
was going to be off fighting for his country.  That is a great point.

> Wish you could have been there Dauber and I wish Lisa could have a
> better feel for the times (60's).

Actually, that was my misunderstanding...hers was the thing about horses. :)

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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 13 19:23:17 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Thu Oct 13 19:30:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hello...hello...hello... Is there anybody in there?
Message-ID: <20051014022317.97831.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

...Just nod if you can hear me...
 
This list has been quite this last week.. It was like the party was, Let the Sun Shine in, the weeks following was the , Let the Sunshine reprise, and this past week people are filing out of the theatre.. 
 
Any news on future or current productions of Hair? 
 
Nina.. I think we've (Leo and I) figured we will come visit you and the archives sometime soon.. Maybe the second weekend in November. So don't worry about mailing the slides back.. I will pick them up on our visit. How is it coming anyway? Haven't heard much from you either.. Life got ya busy? 
 
Any more news on video's? I will bring my video camara to the next get together.. 
 
Michael B. Leo told me a bit about your past history.. I'm jealous.. working with JFK... That's so very cool man, He is to this day my favortie President. Why his face doesn't grace our currency anymore.. I do not understand.. I mean come on how many pieces does Washington and Jefferson need? I wanna see them reissue the Kennedy half dollar.. or was a silver dollar?
Anyway.. You've definetly lived the life... Who's writing your memoirs? 
 
Anyway.. Come on out and play people.. it's like a ghost town.. 
 
Peace, Love and Geese. JIMMY P.
 

		
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From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 13 22:36:54 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Thu Oct 13 22:44:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Ground control to Major Tom
In-Reply-To: <20051014022317.97831.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F11A727968E8AF773A2AD2AD7D0@phx.gbl>

Hiya James et all,

I'm still looking for someone to donate a big fat diesel bus that we can 
convert to run on Veggie fuel.
And Joan Baez to tour with us.

:)
Much pre-production to research.
:)

on another front, I'm helping out at the Reid Center (kids from the 
projects), developing and marketing a modern version of "The Wiz"...yeah, 
it's called "The Wizzle"...I'm so not making that up.
The kids are awesome.

I'd love to hear how Ross is doing.  I'm going to try to get up to New York 
on Dec. 16th and 17th to see the show.  Anyone else going to be there?  
Dinner? Drinks?  I'd love to put faces to names.

Have a brilliant day.
Love,
Katie


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Oct 14 03:09:04 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Oct 14 03:16:08 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: My wife's first time watching the Hair movie
References: <34429b487d4.1a5ebcf3@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00ea01c5d0a7$4eb137c0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

I did not care for the movie at all
and I think the play is the greatest piece of theater ever written in modern
times
in any genre

and i was there
although i was a 10 year old widget going to see HAIR for my birthday
and sucking on an ice pop
and listening to grace bumbry sing carmen

peace

richard in the project pit
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Courtney" <dauber@banana-and-louie.org>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 11:06 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: My wife's first time watching the Hair movie


> On 10/11/2005, Barbara Siomos wrote:
>
> > I am not going to comment on your and your wife's feelings about the
> > movie... except to say I truly feel bad that you cannot understand why
> > someone would drive across the country to visit someone who made the
> > sacrifice to be in the army just to visit him for a couple of hours
> > even though they had not know him for too long..... I can only say I
> > guess that is one of those times when "You just had to be there". The
> > summer of Love, Peace and Love, Loving one Another, those times were
> > special.
>
> Well, I wasn't around then...I guess it's like how you have people like my
> grandfather, who was watching football a couple of years ago and yelling
> about how all the players and even the coach were black. (I think "shines"
> was the actual term.) And he doesn't realize why I roll my eyes and get
> pissy when he makes those comments.
>
> To be honest with you, though, the "made the sacrifice to be in the Army"
> part didn't cross my mind...now that I think about it, before Berger
danced
> on the table with Charlotte Rae, part of his argument was about how Claude
> was going to be off fighting for his country.  That is a great point.
>
> > Wish you could have been there Dauber and I wish Lisa could have a
> > better feel for the times (60's).
>
> Actually, that was my misunderstanding...hers was the thing about horses.
:)
>
> --
> dauber@banana-and-louie.org
>  * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
> blog: http://scattered-frog.blogspot.com
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Oct 14 03:12:15 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Oct 14 03:19:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Ground control to Major Tom
References: <BAY104-F11A727968E8AF773A2AD2AD7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <013a01c5d0a7$c046abe0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

i live in ny miss katie
and would love to see you etc
what show on the 16th 17th ?
company of hair?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Kasben" <katiekasben@hotmail.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:36 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Ground control to Major Tom


> Hiya James et all,
>
> I'm still looking for someone to donate a big fat diesel bus that we can
> convert to run on Veggie fuel.
> And Joan Baez to tour with us.
>
> :)
> Much pre-production to research.
> :)
>
> on another front, I'm helping out at the Reid Center (kids from the
> projects), developing and marketing a modern version of "The Wiz"...yeah,
> it's called "The Wizzle"...I'm so not making that up.
> The kids are awesome.
>
> I'd love to hear how Ross is doing.  I'm going to try to get up to New
York
> on Dec. 16th and 17th to see the show.  Anyone else going to be there?
> Dinner? Drinks?  I'd love to put faces to names.
>
> Have a brilliant day.
> Love,
> Katie
>
>
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Fri Oct 14 04:48:58 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Fri Oct 14 04:55:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Songwriters' Opportunity (SYMPHONY SPACE)
Message-ID: <8465-434F9B2A-3520@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>


>From what I've heard the New Collectives concerts are great fun. One of
the gals who helps run them, is a whirlwind. So, this could be a fun
thing, if you know someone to forward it to!    Best, Jim
________

NEW VOICES COLLECTIVE SEEKING SONG SUBMISSIONS FOR DECEMBER HOLIDAY
SAMPLER


The New Voices Collective is seeking song submissions for our December
Holiday Sampler concert, the second concert of our 2005-2006 New Voices
series.

We are looking for a wide range of songs and hope to interpret the word
"holiday" in the broadest possible sense:

-Songs can be funny or serious (or both).

-Songs can be about specific holidays (Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa -
you name it) or about the season in general.

-Songs can be directly on topic or tangentially so - sometimes the
tangential makes for a more textured evening.

-Songs can be theatre songs, cabaret songs, or art songs; lyrics can be
original or can be settings of poems.

-Duets, trios, quartets, etc. are welcome as well as solos.

Submission requirements:

Please include a score for your song as well as a demo recording of some
kind. The demo should preferably be on CD, although cassette is fine.
Please do not feel obligated to go overboard on the demo: sitting at the
piano and singing through your tune will suffice ? it's really just to
get an accurate idea of the composer's intentions. You can either send
your submission by mail, or, if you are so inclined, email either a
Finale or PDF file of your score and some kind of audio file (mp4, etc.)
of your demo to the email address below. Mail is fine, but the email
route is probably the most efficient.

We encourage you to send your submissions as soon as possible, although
submissions should be received no later than November 1, 2005. Please
note that the concert is coming up quickly ? the sooner we receive
your submissions, the more time we have to consider your work!

Submissions should be sent to the following address:

New Voices Collective
c/o Symphony Space
2537 Broadway
New York, NY 10025
Attn: Doug Okerson

or emailed to: 
newvoicescoll@gmail.com

We regret that we will be unable to return any unused submissions.

New Voices Collective
Joel Fram, Artistic Director
Doug Okerson, Producer
Jen Bender, Associate Producer 
The New Voices Collective was founded in 2002 to bring together a
community of artists and to provide a forum for exploration and new
work. Concerts are presented in the intimate, 170-seat Leonard Nimoy
Thalia at Symphony Space. Their offerings include the New Voices series,
the Rush Hour Chamber Music series, First Draft Musicals, and the rock
compendium Alternative Torch.

For more information, visit 

www.symphonyspace.org and search for "NVC" or google "New Voices
Collective."
 


From michael at intrafi.com  Fri Oct 14 08:32:48 2005
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Date: Fri Oct 14 08:39:59 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FT.com / World / International economy - US at odds with
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Oct 14 07:46:20 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Oct 14 08:54:05 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Ground control to Major Tom
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F11A727968E8AF773A2AD2AD7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BF753CFC.249A1%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Katie,
I think there is chance of something at LaGuardia on 10 December, Nina will
advise.
XO Michael

> Hiya James et all,
> 
> I'm still looking for someone to donate a big fat diesel bus that we can
> convert to run on Veggie fuel.
> And Joan Baez to tour with us.
> 
> :)
> Much pre-production to research.
> :)
> 
> on another front, I'm helping out at the Reid Center (kids from the
> projects), developing and marketing a modern version of "The Wiz"...yeah,
> it's called "The Wizzle"...I'm so not making that up.
> The kids are awesome.
> 
> I'd love to hear how Ross is doing.  I'm going to try to get up to New York
> on Dec. 16th and 17th to see the show.  Anyone else going to be there?
> Dinner? Drinks?  I'd love to put faces to names.
> 
> Have a brilliant day.
> Love,
> Katie
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From michael at intrafi.com  Fri Oct 14 08:54:16 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Fri Oct 14 09:01:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Mr. Bush Goes to Tikrit (Sort-of)
Message-ID: <20051014155416.C73FEB80AB@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



-------------------------------------
Mr. Bush Goes to Tikrit (Sort-of)
http://www.alternet.org/story/26826

Yesterday's presidential videoconference 'from' Tikrit was a crude example of the kind of propaganda Iraqis have lived with for years. But this time, the target audience was Americans.
-------------------------------------

From michael at intrafi.com  Fri Oct 14 09:11:58 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Fri Oct 14 09:19:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Catch-22 at the New York Times
Message-ID: <20051014161158.5248DB819E@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



-------------------------------------
Catch-22 at the New York Times
http://www.alternet.org/story/26824

It's put up or shut up time at the paper of record.
-------------------------------------

From mark.petracca at verizon.net  Fri Oct 14 06:11:11 2005
From: mark.petracca at verizon.net (mark.petracca@verizon.net)
Date: Fri Oct 14 09:24:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Fwd: Nothin' Like a Good Yarn...
Message-ID: <E1EQSFB-0000Xy-TA@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

this is worth a post!

Begin forwarded message:

> From: harboc@adelphia.net
> Date: October 14, 2005 1:15:00 AM EDT
> To: hart bochner <harboc@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Nothin' Like a Good Yarn...
>
> Bush Teleconference With Soldiers Staged
> By DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer
> Thu Oct 13, 7:18 PM ET
>
>
> WASHINGTON - It was billed as a conversation with U.S. troops, but the 
> questions
>
> President Bush asked on a teleconference call Thursday were 
> choreographed to match his goals for the war in?Iraq and Saturday's 
> vote on a new Iraqi constitution.
>
>
> "This is an important time," Allison Barber, deputy assistant defense 
> secretary, said, coaching the soldiers before Bush arrived. "The 
> president is looking forward to having just a conversation with you."
>
> Barber said the president was interested in three topics: the overall 
> security situation in Iraq, security preparations for the weekend vote 
> and efforts to train Iraqi troops.
>
> As she spoke in Washington, a live shot of 10 soldiers from the Army's 
> 42nd Infantry Division and one Iraqi soldier was beamed into the 
> Eisenhower Executive Office Building from Tikrit ? the birthplace of 
> former Iraqi leader?Saddam Hussein.
>
> "I'm going to ask somebody to grab those two water bottles against the 
> wall and move them out of the camera shot for me," Barber said.
>
> A brief rehearsal ensued.
>
> "OK, so let's just walk through this," Barber said. "Captain Kennedy, 
> you answer the first question and you hand the mike to whom?"
>
> "Captain Smith," Kennedy said.
>
> "Captain. Smith? You take the mike and you hand it to whom?" she asked.
>
> "Captain Kennedy," the soldier replied.
>
> And so it went.
>
> "If the question comes up about partnering ? how often do we train 
> with the Iraqi military ? who does he go to?" Barber asked.
>
> "That's going to go to Captain Pratt," one of the soldiers said.
>
> "And then if we're going to talk a little bit about the folks in 
> Tikrit ? the hometown ? and how they're handling the political 
> process, who are we going to give that to?" she asked.
>
> Before he took questions, Bush thanked the soldiers for serving and 
> reassured them that the U.S. would not pull out of Iraq until the 
> mission was complete.
>
> "So long as I'm the president, we're never going to back down, we're 
> never going to give in, we'll never accept anything less than total 
> victory," Bush said.
>
> The president told them twice that the American people were behind 
> them.
>
> "You've got tremendous support here at home," Bush said.
>
> Less than 40 percent in an AP-Ipsos poll taken in October said they 
> approved of the way Bush was handling Iraq. Just over half of the 
> public now say the Iraq war was a mistake.
>
> White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Thursday's event was 
> coordinated with the Defense Department but that the troops were 
> expressing their own thoughts. With satellite feeds, coordination 
> often is needed to overcome technological challenges, such as delays, 
> he said.
>
> "I think all they were doing was talking to the troops and letting 
> them know what to expect," he said, adding that the president wanted 
> to talk with troops on the ground who have firsthand knowledge about 
> the situation.
>
> The soldiers all gave Bush an upbeat view of the situation.
>
> The president also got praise from the Iraqi soldier who was part of 
> the chat.
>
> "Thank you very much for everything," he gushed. "I like you."
>
> On preparations for the vote, 1st Lt. Gregg Murphy of Tennessee said: 
> "Sir, we are prepared to do whatever it takes to make this thing a 
> success. ... Back in January, when we were preparing for that 
> election, we had to lead the way. We set up the coordination, we made 
> the plan. We're really happy to see, during the preparation for this 
> one, sir, they're doing everything."
>
> On the training of Iraqi security forces, Master Sgt. Corine Lombardo 
> from Scotia, N.Y., said to Bush: "I can tell you over the past 10 
> months, we've seen a tremendous increase in the capabilities and the 
> confidences of our Iraqi security force partners. ... Over the next 
> month, we anticipate seeing at least one-third of those Iraqi forces 
> conducting independent operations."
>
> Lombardo told the president that she was in New York City on Nov. 11, 
> 2001, when Bush attended an event recognizing soldiers for their 
> recovery and rescue efforts at Ground Zero. She said the troops began 
> the fight against terrorism in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist 
> attacks and were proud to continue it in Iraq.
>
> "I thought you looked familiar," Bush said, and then joked: "I 
> probably look familiar to you, too."
>
> Paul Rieckhoff, director of the New York-based Operation Truth, an 
> advocacy group for U.S. veterans of Iraq and
>
>
> Afghanistan, denounced the event as a "carefully scripted publicity 
> stunt." Five of the 10 U.S. troops involved were officers, he said.
>
> "If he wants the real opinions of the troops, he can't do it in a 
> nationally televised teleconference," Rieckhoff said. "He needs to be 
> talking to the boots on the ground and that's not a bunch of 
> captains."
>
>
Mark Petracca
PetRock, Inc.
4 West 83rd Street
NYC 10024
212-877-7330
www.CultureCatch.com

?In our every deliberation, we must consider the
impact of our decisions on the next seven generations.??
                                        Iroquois Confederacy maxim

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Oct 14 09:26:15 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Oct 14 09:33:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Ground control to Major Tom
References: <BF753CFC.249A1%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c5d0db$fff308e0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

good thing i looked again katie
i was clearing my schedule for this weekend
what an idiot i am
dec
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Ground control to Major Tom


> Katie,
> I think there is chance of something at LaGuardia on 10 December, Nina
will
> advise.
> XO Michael
>
> > Hiya James et all,
> >
> > I'm still looking for someone to donate a big fat diesel bus that we can
> > convert to run on Veggie fuel.
> > And Joan Baez to tour with us.
> >
> > :)
> > Much pre-production to research.
> > :)
> >
> > on another front, I'm helping out at the Reid Center (kids from the
> > projects), developing and marketing a modern version of "The
Wiz"...yeah,
> > it's called "The Wizzle"...I'm so not making that up.
> > The kids are awesome.
> >
> > I'd love to hear how Ross is doing.  I'm going to try to get up to New
York
> > on Dec. 16th and 17th to see the show.  Anyone else going to be there?
> > Dinner? Drinks?  I'd love to put faces to names.
> >
> > Have a brilliant day.
> > Love,
> > Katie
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From cchuston at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 14 06:59:30 2005
From: cchuston at hotmail.com (Celeste Huston)
Date: Fri Oct 14 11:05:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Battle Hymn of the Repuglicans
Message-ID: <E1EQSGL-0001rs-Uq@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 14 13:07:17 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Oct 14 13:14:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Laguardia HS Hair
In-Reply-To: <BF753CFC.249A1%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F277265CEFBCA3FD9DE66A0B27D0@phx.gbl>

Most that I am aware of are going the first weekend, which I think is the 
8th - 10th. There is some talk about some get togethers that weekend as 
well. I'll let everyone know when plans are more solidified.

I hear wonderful things from Robert and Natalie about how rehearsals are 
going. I am hoping to get to a rehearsal in a week or so. Hey Ross - tell us 
how it's going from your perspective!
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


>From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>

>Katie,
>I think there is chance of something at LaGuardia on 10 December, Nina will
>advise.
>XO Michael


From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 14 13:20:20 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Fri Oct 14 13:27:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hello...hello...hello... Is there anybody in there?
In-Reply-To: <20051014022317.97831.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY104-F721CD02576C791BDD661CB27D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Jim, yes I am out here! Among other things I am scanning your slides of 
the Be-In, and today received a great package from Bil Gonzolez (Thanks Bil, 
& please thank Margie for me to!) with some more fabuolus photos, so expect 
some updates soon. Looking forward to you and Leo visiting.

Lots of Hair productions happening. I  have a new list from TAMS that I will 
be adding to the Current Productions page, so we can know where to get a 
fix. Any chance the Maine contingent will be making it down to NYC for the 
Laguardia High School production?

Back to the scanner...
XO,
Nina

The Hair Archives
http://www.michaelbutler.com/hair/holding/Hair.html


From jonboy3000 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 14 12:28:36 2005
From: jonboy3000 at yahoo.com (Jonathon B)
Date: Fri Oct 14 14:18:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] weed - it's good for the brain!
Message-ID: <E1EQWpr-0006LK-U5@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

By DAWN WALTON 

Friday, October 14, 2005 Posted at 3:57 AM EDT

>From Friday's Globe and Mail
 
 Calgary ? Forget the stereotype about dopey potheads.
It seems marijuana could be good for your brain.

While other studies have shown that periodic use of
marijuana can cause memory loss and impair learning
and a host of other health problems down the road, new
research suggests the drug could have some benefits
when administered regularly in a highly potent form. 

Most "drugs of abuse" such as alcohol, heroin, cocaine
and nicotine suppress growth of new brain cells.
However, researchers found that cannabinoids promoted
generation of new neurons in rats' hippocampuses.

Hippocampuses are the part of the brain responsible
for learning and memory, and the study held true for
either plant-derived or the synthetic version of
cannabinoids.

Advertisements




 

"This is quite a surprise," said Xia Zhang, an
associate professor with the Neuropsychiatry Research
Unit at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon.

"Chronic use of marijuana may actually improve
learning memory when the new neurons in the
hippocampus can mature in two or three months," he
added.

The research by Dr. Zhang and a team of international
researchers is to be published in the November issue
of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, but their
findings are on-line now.

The scientists also noticed that cannabinoids curbed
depression and anxiety, which Dr. Zhang says, suggests
a correlation between neurogenesis and mood swings.
(Or, it at least partly explains the feelings of
relaxation and euphoria of a pot-induced high.)

Other scientists have suggested that depression is
triggered when too few new brain cells are created in
the hippocampus. One researcher of neuropharmacology
said he was "puzzled" by the findings. 

As enthusiastic as Dr. Zhang is about the potential
health benefits, he warns against running out for a
toke in a bid to beef up brain power or calm nerves.

The team injected laboratory rats with a synthetic
substance called HU-210, which is similar, but 100
times as potent as THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol),
the compound responsible for giving marijuana users a
high.

They found that the rats treated regularly with a high
dose of HU-210 -- twice a day for 10 days -- showed
growth of neurons in the hippocampus. The researchers
don't know if pot, which isn't as pure as the
lab-produced version, would have the same effect. 

"There's a big gap between rats and humans," Dr. Zhang
points out. 

But there is a lot of interest -- and controversy --
around the use of cannabinoids to improve human
health. 

Cannabinoids, such as marijuana and hashish, have been
used to address pain, nausea, vomiting, seizures
caused by epilepsy, ischemic stroke, cerebral trauma,
tumours, multiple sclerosis and a host of other
maladies.

There are herbal cannabinoids, which come from the
cannabis plant, and the bodies of humans and animals
produce endogenous cannabinoids. The substance can
also be designed in the lab.

Cannabinoids can trigger the body's two cannabinoid
receptors, which control the activity of various cells
in the body.

One receptor, known as CB1, is found primarily in the
brain. The other receptor, CB2, was thought to be
found only in the immune system.

However, in a separate study to be published today in
the journal Science, a group of international
researchers have located the CB2 receptor in the brain
stems of rats, mice and ferrets. 

The brain stem is responsible for basic body function
such as breathing and the gastrointestinal tract. If
stimulated in a certain way, CB2 could be harnessed to
eliminate the nausea and vomiting associated with
post-operative analgesics or cancer and AIDS
treatments, according to the researchers.

"Ultimately, new therapies could be developed as a
result of these findings," said Keith Sharkey, a
gastrointestinal neuroscientist at the University of
Calgary, lead author of the study.

(Scientists are trying to find ways to block CB1 as a
way to decrease food cravings and limit dependence on
tobacco.)

When asked whether his findings explain why some swear
by pot as a way to avoid the queasy feeling of a
hangover, Dr. Sharkey paused and replied: "It does not
explain the effects of smoked or inhaled or ingested
substances." 



		
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Oct 14 13:18:32 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Oct 14 14:26:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Information for Jim
Message-ID: <BF758AD8.249DA%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Sorry for the silence. It does happen from time to time.
If you want more information than what Leo told you go to
--http://www.michaelbutler.com
Secrets>Journal
Michael

From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Oct 14 16:20:07 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Oct 14 16:27:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Student Protests & Pushback on Campus and oher News from
	"The Nation"
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV309C919D654BED5484249AB7D0@phx.gbl>

Subject: Protest and Pushback on Campus 

It is happening again folks on Campus's around the country.... The students are speaking up BUT have flack from the right wingers....

peace,
barbara
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Student protests against the presence of military recruiters at colleges and community colleges are on the rise. So are angry--sometimes violent--reactions from conservative students and campus police. Read Ryan Grim's report on the turbulence roiling campuses nationwide. 
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051031/protest_and_pushback_on_campus

And don't miss Clarisse Profilet's related look at a new generation of conservative college students who aggressively support the war in Iraq but have no interest in fighting it. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051031/the_young_chickenhawks


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David Corn assesses Karl Rove's latest legal defense--insubordination.
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Tom Hayden calls the media to account fro failing to report what Iraqis really think about the occupation. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051024/hayden

Peter Rothberg urges defeat of Bush's threatened pro-torture veto.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/actnow?bid=4&pid=28812


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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Fri Oct 14 17:35:28 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Fri Oct 14 17:42:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] weed - it's good for the brain!
References: <E1EQWpr-0006LK-U5@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001101c5d120$57ec9bd0$53bc2041@CowBox>

There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical & mental. Our 
government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage propaganda of how 
bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana gave him intellectual 
insight.

Love forever
Robin




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jonathon B" <jonboy3000@yahoo.com>
To: "jon bush" <jonbushfilms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:28 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] weed - it's good for the brain!


> By DAWN WALTON
>
> Friday, October 14, 2005 Posted at 3:57 AM EDT
>
>>From Friday's Globe and Mail
>
> Calgary - Forget the stereotype about dopey potheads.
> It seems marijuana could be good for your brain.
>
> While other studies have shown that periodic use of
> marijuana can cause memory loss and impair learning
> and a host of other health problems down the road, new
> research suggests the drug could have some benefits
> when administered regularly in a highly potent form.
>
> Most "drugs of abuse" such as alcohol, heroin, cocaine
> and nicotine suppress growth of new brain cells.
> However, researchers found that cannabinoids promoted
> generation of new neurons in rats' hippocampuses.
>
> Hippocampuses are the part of the brain responsible
> for learning and memory, and the study held true for
> either plant-derived or the synthetic version of
> cannabinoids.
>
> Advertisements
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "This is quite a surprise," said Xia Zhang, an
> associate professor with the Neuropsychiatry Research
> Unit at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon.
>
> "Chronic use of marijuana may actually improve
> learning memory when the new neurons in the
> hippocampus can mature in two or three months," he
> added.
>
> The research by Dr. Zhang and a team of international
> researchers is to be published in the November issue
> of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, but their
> findings are on-line now.
>
> The scientists also noticed that cannabinoids curbed
> depression and anxiety, which Dr. Zhang says, suggests
> a correlation between neurogenesis and mood swings.
> (Or, it at least partly explains the feelings of
> relaxation and euphoria of a pot-induced high.)
>
> Other scientists have suggested that depression is
> triggered when too few new brain cells are created in
> the hippocampus. One researcher of neuropharmacology
> said he was "puzzled" by the findings.
>
> As enthusiastic as Dr. Zhang is about the potential
> health benefits, he warns against running out for a
> toke in a bid to beef up brain power or calm nerves.
>
> The team injected laboratory rats with a synthetic
> substance called HU-210, which is similar, but 100
> times as potent as THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol),
> the compound responsible for giving marijuana users a
> high.
>
> They found that the rats treated regularly with a high
> dose of HU-210 -- twice a day for 10 days -- showed
> growth of neurons in the hippocampus. The researchers
> don't know if pot, which isn't as pure as the
> lab-produced version, would have the same effect.
>
> "There's a big gap between rats and humans," Dr. Zhang
> points out.
>
> But there is a lot of interest -- and controversy --
> around the use of cannabinoids to improve human
> health.
>
> Cannabinoids, such as marijuana and hashish, have been
> used to address pain, nausea, vomiting, seizures
> caused by epilepsy, ischemic stroke, cerebral trauma,
> tumours, multiple sclerosis and a host of other
> maladies.
>
> There are herbal cannabinoids, which come from the
> cannabis plant, and the bodies of humans and animals
> produce endogenous cannabinoids. The substance can
> also be designed in the lab.
>
> Cannabinoids can trigger the body's two cannabinoid
> receptors, which control the activity of various cells
> in the body.
>
> One receptor, known as CB1, is found primarily in the
> brain. The other receptor, CB2, was thought to be
> found only in the immune system.
>
> However, in a separate study to be published today in
> the journal Science, a group of international
> researchers have located the CB2 receptor in the brain
> stems of rats, mice and ferrets.
>
> The brain stem is responsible for basic body function
> such as breathing and the gastrointestinal tract. If
> stimulated in a certain way, CB2 could be harnessed to
> eliminate the nausea and vomiting associated with
> post-operative analgesics or cancer and AIDS
> treatments, according to the researchers.
>
> "Ultimately, new therapies could be developed as a
> result of these findings," said Keith Sharkey, a
> gastrointestinal neuroscientist at the University of
> Calgary, lead author of the study.
>
> (Scientists are trying to find ways to block CB1 as a
> way to decrease food cravings and limit dependence on
> tobacco.)
>
> When asked whether his findings explain why some swear
> by pot as a way to avoid the queasy feeling of a
> hangover, Dr. Sharkey paused and replied: "It does not
> explain the effects of smoked or inhaled or ingested
> substances."
>
>
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Oct 14 19:17:37 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Oct 14 19:24:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] weed - it's good for the brain!
References: <E1EQWpr-0006LK-U5@smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <004801c5d12e$9cb86c40$f1476c42@hotprojects>

i dont know if it gives me insight
but i love it

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robin McNamara" <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>; <mb-civic@islandemail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] weed - it's good for the brain!


> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical & mental.
Our
> government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage propaganda of
how
> bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana gave him intellectual
> insight.
>
> Love forever
> Robin
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jonathon B" <jonboy3000@yahoo.com>
> To: "jon bush" <jonbushfilms@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:28 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] weed - it's good for the brain!
>
>
> > By DAWN WALTON
> >
> > Friday, October 14, 2005 Posted at 3:57 AM EDT
> >
> >>From Friday's Globe and Mail
> >
> > Calgary - Forget the stereotype about dopey potheads.
> > It seems marijuana could be good for your brain.
> >
> > While other studies have shown that periodic use of
> > marijuana can cause memory loss and impair learning
> > and a host of other health problems down the road, new
> > research suggests the drug could have some benefits
> > when administered regularly in a highly potent form.
> >
> > Most "drugs of abuse" such as alcohol, heroin, cocaine
> > and nicotine suppress growth of new brain cells.
> > However, researchers found that cannabinoids promoted
> > generation of new neurons in rats' hippocampuses.
> >
> > Hippocampuses are the part of the brain responsible
> > for learning and memory, and the study held true for
> > either plant-derived or the synthetic version of
> > cannabinoids.
> >
> > Advertisements
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "This is quite a surprise," said Xia Zhang, an
> > associate professor with the Neuropsychiatry Research
> > Unit at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon.
> >
> > "Chronic use of marijuana may actually improve
> > learning memory when the new neurons in the
> > hippocampus can mature in two or three months," he
> > added.
> >
> > The research by Dr. Zhang and a team of international
> > researchers is to be published in the November issue
> > of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, but their
> > findings are on-line now.
> >
> > The scientists also noticed that cannabinoids curbed
> > depression and anxiety, which Dr. Zhang says, suggests
> > a correlation between neurogenesis and mood swings.
> > (Or, it at least partly explains the feelings of
> > relaxation and euphoria of a pot-induced high.)
> >
> > Other scientists have suggested that depression is
> > triggered when too few new brain cells are created in
> > the hippocampus. One researcher of neuropharmacology
> > said he was "puzzled" by the findings.
> >
> > As enthusiastic as Dr. Zhang is about the potential
> > health benefits, he warns against running out for a
> > toke in a bid to beef up brain power or calm nerves.
> >
> > The team injected laboratory rats with a synthetic
> > substance called HU-210, which is similar, but 100
> > times as potent as THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol),
> > the compound responsible for giving marijuana users a
> > high.
> >
> > They found that the rats treated regularly with a high
> > dose of HU-210 -- twice a day for 10 days -- showed
> > growth of neurons in the hippocampus. The researchers
> > don't know if pot, which isn't as pure as the
> > lab-produced version, would have the same effect.
> >
> > "There's a big gap between rats and humans," Dr. Zhang
> > points out.
> >
> > But there is a lot of interest -- and controversy --
> > around the use of cannabinoids to improve human
> > health.
> >
> > Cannabinoids, such as marijuana and hashish, have been
> > used to address pain, nausea, vomiting, seizures
> > caused by epilepsy, ischemic stroke, cerebral trauma,
> > tumours, multiple sclerosis and a host of other
> > maladies.
> >
> > There are herbal cannabinoids, which come from the
> > cannabis plant, and the bodies of humans and animals
> > produce endogenous cannabinoids. The substance can
> > also be designed in the lab.
> >
> > Cannabinoids can trigger the body's two cannabinoid
> > receptors, which control the activity of various cells
> > in the body.
> >
> > One receptor, known as CB1, is found primarily in the
> > brain. The other receptor, CB2, was thought to be
> > found only in the immune system.
> >
> > However, in a separate study to be published today in
> > the journal Science, a group of international
> > researchers have located the CB2 receptor in the brain
> > stems of rats, mice and ferrets.
> >
> > The brain stem is responsible for basic body function
> > such as breathing and the gastrointestinal tract. If
> > stimulated in a certain way, CB2 could be harnessed to
> > eliminate the nausea and vomiting associated with
> > post-operative analgesics or cancer and AIDS
> > treatments, according to the researchers.
> >
> > "Ultimately, new therapies could be developed as a
> > result of these findings," said Keith Sharkey, a
> > gastrointestinal neuroscientist at the University of
> > Calgary, lead author of the study.
> >
> > (Scientists are trying to find ways to block CB1 as a
> > way to decrease food cravings and limit dependence on
> > tobacco.)
> >
> > When asked whether his findings explain why some swear
> > by pot as a way to avoid the queasy feeling of a
> > hangover, Dr. Sharkey paused and replied: "It does not
> > explain the effects of smoked or inhaled or ingested
> > substances."
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.
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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Fri Oct 14 20:40:59 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Fri Oct 14 19:54:59 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
In-Reply-To: <001101c5d120$57ec9bd0$53bc2041@CowBox>
Message-ID: <3443f4c0ba6.180c3b9c@outgoing.verizon.net>

On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:

> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
> mental. Our  government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
> propaganda of how  bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
> gave him intellectual  insight.

I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not the
only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.

My overall thoughts:

1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your lungs
ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your lungs
force it out.

2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff of
at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the songs
in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is NOT
a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now. 

3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here in
NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several times
for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
governor just don't give me a good feeling.

4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, what
with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.

5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)

--
dauber@banana-and-louie.org
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blog: http://scattered-frog.blogspot.com
From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 14 21:08:31 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Fri Oct 14 21:15:44 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Hello...hello...hello... Is there anybody in there?
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F721CD02576C791BDD661CB27D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051015040831.6629.qmail@web54207.mail.yahoo.com>

Nina writes,,,Any chance the Maine contingent will be making it down to NYC for the 
Laguardia High School production?
 

theres always a chance...

Little Birdie <lbirdie@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi Jim, yes I am out here! Among other things I am scanning your slides of 
the Be-In, and today received a great package from Bil Gonzolez (Thanks Bil, 
& please thank Margie for me to!) with some more fabuolus photos, so expect 
some updates soon. Looking forward to you and Leo visiting.

Lots of Hair productions happening. I have a new list from TAMS that I will 
be adding to the Current Productions page, so we can know where to get a 
fix. Any chance the Maine contingent will be making it down to NYC for the 
Laguardia High School production?

Back to the scanner...
XO,
Nina

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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 14 21:51:21 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Fri Oct 14 21:58:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
In-Reply-To: <3443f4c0ba6.180c3b9c@outgoing.verizon.net>
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My weed story... a brief background of JIM 

 

It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the end.. 

 

Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe 5 or 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad. My Mom divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to live the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad, every week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15 or 16, then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so then. (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears, as he would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable. drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than I could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed off... I grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of 22 and
  had
 four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore. My Dad was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my family was.) Anyway.. After the divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from wherever.. and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really bothered me, so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974 through sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My grandfather followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on from a broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene, was a biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him.. Many nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken rages.. Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place to be. My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was und
 er the
 shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET. I got my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more money than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great news.. Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long time fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all excited and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage...All of the gang would hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as I was really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to talk me into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and took the joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked.. Anyway.. Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking.. why not.. My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe a week after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as
 ked how
 long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door.. I then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd have huge parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at a concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School the following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit him.. (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with my step father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving door of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the point where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did it.. Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put under my nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was learning
  Bass, I
 would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me moments earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to drugs was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided that music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing anything for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around friends smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't ever see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems with it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it didn't help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that habit.. I don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry about my daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has tried it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug days.. JIM

Sean Courtney <dauber@banana-and-louie.org> wrote:
On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:

> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
> mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
> propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
> gave him intellectual insight.

I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not the
only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.

My overall thoughts:

1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your lungs
ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your lungs
force it out.

2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff of
at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the songs
in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is NOT
a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now. 

3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here in
NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several times
for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
governor just don't give me a good feeling.

4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, what
with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.

5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)

--
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Fri Oct 14 23:47:14 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Fri Oct 14 23:54:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV126E0F3118F1E267954AFEAB7C0@phx.gbl>

Wow Jim..... Thank you for sharing, I know you did not do it for this reason but hell you had a crazy child/teen hood and turned out to be an awesome strong Guy who worries about his children as we all do. I am so sorry about your Dad and your Grand pop, they were dealt a poor poor hand in life... your Male role models had it tough which in turn gave you strength

You have to take control as a parent... They do not need us as friends they need guidance from a parent, we can be both and should be both.... Hope that makes sense.

peace and love... I am proud to know you.

barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: James Pappaconstantine
Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:51:21 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!


My weed story... a brief background of JIM 

 

It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the end.. 

 

Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe 5 or 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad My Mom divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to live the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad, every week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15 or 16, then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so then. (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears, as he would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable. drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than I could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed off... I grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of 22 and
  had
 four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore. My Dad was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my family was.) Anyway.. After the divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from wherever.. and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really bothered me, so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974 through sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My grandfather followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on from a broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene, was a biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him.. Many nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken rages.. Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place to be. My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was und
 er the
 shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET I got my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more money than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great news.. Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long time fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all excited and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage..All of the gang would hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as I was really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to talk me into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and took the joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked.. Anyway.. Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking.. why not.. My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe a week after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as
 ked how
 long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door. I then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd have huge parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at a concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School the following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit him.. (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with my step father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving door of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the point where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did it.. Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put under my nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was learning
  Bass, I
 would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me moments earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to drugs was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided that music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing anything for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around friends smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't ever see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems with it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it didn't help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that habit.. I don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry about my daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has tried it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug days.. JIM

Sean Courtney <dauber@banana-and-louie.org> wrote:
On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:

> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
> mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
> propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
> gave him intellectual insight.

I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not the
only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.

My overall thoughts:

1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your lungs
ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your lungs
force it out.

2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff of
at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the songs
in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is NOT
a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now. 

3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here in
NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several times
for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
governor just don't give me a good feeling.

4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, what
with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.

5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)

--
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sat Oct 15 02:11:35 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sat Oct 15 02:18:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Can Big Brother, Be a Brother?
Message-ID: <15898-4350C7C7-4769@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>


At first look, this story might raise some hackles...  On the other
hand, the record it provides, and its presence, might help further
prevent, and discourage, incidents of false arrest, and harrasment....
But keep those hackles ready...  (One could always digitally alter
images....)
_____


"New Surveillance Products For Police Introduced10/13/2005"

? 
Leawood, KS - Digital Ally Inc., which designs, develops, manufactures,
sales and markets advanced technology products for law enforcement,
homeland security and commercial security applications, introduced two
new advanced digital video surveillance products.

The Company plans introduced its Compact Digital In-Car Video System
integrated into a Rearview Mirror and its Digital Video System
integrated into a Law Enforcement-Style Flashlight at the IACP
conference. Initial shipments of these new products to customers are
scheduled for the first quarter of 2006. Both of these advanced
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sat Oct 15 06:59:15 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sat Oct 15 07:06:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] C-SPAN's Cloning...
Message-ID: <7047-43510B33-3689@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net>


"Has anyone else ever watched C-SPAN cover a three-hour House debate on
cloning? What a scene. Two hundred six Caucasian males in blue suits,
white shirts and red ties all declaring their all-out opposition against
cloning." 

Mark Shields, October 8

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Oct 15 08:04:09 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Oct 15 08:13:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
References: <3443f4c0ba6.180c3b9c@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <004a01c5d199$f01fe230$f1476c42@hotprojects>

oh just roll another sean
( rolls another )
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Courtney" <dauber@banana-and-louie.org>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>; <mb-civic@islandemail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:40 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!


> On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:
>
> > There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
> > mental. Our  government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
> > propaganda of how  bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
> > gave him intellectual  insight.
>
> I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not the
> only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.
>
> My overall thoughts:
>
> 1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your lungs
> ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
> the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your
lungs
> force it out.
>
> 2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff of
> at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
> someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
> you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the
songs
> in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is
NOT
> a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
> stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now.
>
> 3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here in
> NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several
times
> for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
> legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
> thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
> bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
> bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
> governor just don't give me a good feeling.
>
> 4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it,
what
> with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.
>
> 5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)
>
> --
> dauber@banana-and-louie.org
>  * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Oct 15 08:09:51 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Oct 15 08:17:08 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
References: <20051015045121.51015.qmail@web54208.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008401c5d19a$7e1ac6e0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

thats a very poignant story james

for me i was lucky although i have an addictive personality
and tried lots of things needles aside like you did
pot only led to pot
its the only vice i liked
thank you for sharing your very poignant story
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Pappaconstantine 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!


  My weed story... a brief background of JIM 



  It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the end.. 



  Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe 5 or 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad. My Mom divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to live the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad, every week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15 or 16, then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so then. (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears, as he would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable. drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than I could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed off... I grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of 22 and had four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore. My Dad was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my family was.) Anyway.. After the divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from wherever.. and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really bothered me, so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974 through sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My grandfather followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on from a broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene, was a biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him.. Many nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken rages.. Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place to be. My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was und er the shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET. I got my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more money than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great news.. Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long time fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all excited and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage...All of the gang would hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as I was really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to talk me into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and took the joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked.. Anyway.. Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking.. why not.. My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe a week after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as ked how long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door.. I then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd have huge parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at a concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School the following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit him.. (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with my step father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving door of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the point where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did it.. Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put under my nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was learning Bass, I would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me moments earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to drugs was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided that music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing anything for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around friends smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't ever see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems with it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it didn't help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that habit.. I don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry about my daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has tried it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug days.. JIM


  Sean Courtney <dauber@banana-and-louie.org> wrote:
    On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:

    > There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
    > mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
    > propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
    > gave him intellectual insight.

    I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not the
    only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.

    My overall thoughts:

    1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your lungs
    ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
    the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your lungs
    force it out.

    2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff of
    at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I w ent to where
    someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
    you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the songs
    in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is NOT
    a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
    stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now. 

    3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here in
    NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several times
    for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
    legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
    thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
    bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
    bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
    governor just don't give me a good feeling.

    4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, what
    with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.

    5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)

    --
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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 15 12:37:19 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Sat Oct 15 12:44:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV126E0F3118F1E267954AFEAB7C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051015193720.22282.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Barbara..
There were four of us.. I am the oldest and We all walked away from that experience knowing that Our lives were not going to mirror our childhoods.
That's what kills me about people who blame their lives today on happenings of their childhoods.. I know everyone is different... but how can a person who was beaten as a child grow up to beat their child? I think you've got to look at circumstances and realize how distructive they are and vow that things will be different.. better.. for your child.
Parenting is extremely important to me,, So much so that for the last 10 years my kids have lived with me. (My wife and I split 10 years ago) Though we are still good friends, She wanted her freedom and I wanted to be a good father.
I guess it's all in prioritizing.
 
Anyway.. Thanks for the nice pat on the back.. JIM

Barbara Siomos <barbarasiomos38@msn.com> wrote:
Wow Jim..... Thank you for sharing, I know you did not do it for this reason but hell you had a crazy child/teen hood and turned out to be an awesome strong Guy who worries about his children as we all do. I am so sorry about your Dad and your Grand pop, they were dealt a poor poor hand in life... your Male role models had it tough which in turn gave you strength

You have to take control as a parent... They do not need us as friends they need guidance from a parent, we can be both and should be both.... Hope that makes sense.

peace and love... I am proud to know you.

barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: James Pappaconstantine
Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:51:21 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!


My weed story... a brief background of JIM 



It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the end.. 



Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe 5 or 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad My Mom divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to live the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad, every week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15 or 16, then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so then. (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears, as he would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable. drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than I could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed off... I grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of 22 and
had
four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore. My Dad was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my family was.) Anyway.. After the divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from wherever.. and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really bothered me, so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974 through sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My grandfather followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on from a broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene, was a biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him.. Many nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken rages.. Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place to be. My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was und
er the
shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET I got my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more money than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great news.. Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long time fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all excited and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage..All of the gang would hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as I was really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to talk me into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and took the joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked.. Anyway.. Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking.. why not.. My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe a week after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as
ked how
long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door. I then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd have huge parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at a concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School the following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit him.. (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with my step father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving door of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the point where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did it.. Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put under my nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was learning
Bass, I
would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me moments earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to drugs was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided that music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing anything for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around friends smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't ever see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems with it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it didn't help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that habit.. I don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry about my daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has tried it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug days.. JIM

Sean Courtney wrote:
On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:

> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
> mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
> propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
> gave him intellectual insight.

I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not the
only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.

My overall thoughts:

1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your lungs
ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your lungs
force it out.

2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff of
at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the songs
in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is NOT
a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now. 

3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here in
NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several times
for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
governor just don't give me a good feeling.

4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, what
with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.

5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Oct 15 09:43:53 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Oct 15 14:08:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
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Jim,

Thanks a lot for your story shared with us.

Peace and Love,
Michael

> 
> My weed story... a brief background of JIM
> 
> 
> 
> It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the end..
> 
> 
> 
> Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe 5 or
> 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad. My Mom
> divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to live
> the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of
> industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad, every
> week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15 or 16,
> then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so then.
> (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears, as he
> would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable.
> drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than I
> could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed off... I
> grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in
> health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of 22 and
> had
> four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore. My Dad
> was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my family was.) Anyway.. After the
> divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from wherever..
> and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really bothered me,
> so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974 through
> sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a
> misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My grandfather
> followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on from a
> broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene, was a
> biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him.. Many
> nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken rages..
> Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place to be.
> My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was und
> er the
> shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET. I
> got my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more
> money than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great
> news.. Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long
> time fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all
> excited and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage...All of the gang
> would hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as
> I was really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to
> talk me into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and
> took the joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked..
> Anyway.. Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking..
> why not.. My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe
> a week after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as
> ked how
> long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door.. I
> then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd have huge
> parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at a
> concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School the
> following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit him..
> (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with my step
> father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving door
> of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the point
> where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no
> exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and
> Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did it..
> Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put under my
> nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was learning
> Bass, I
> would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me moments
> earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to drugs
> was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided that
> music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing anything
> for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around friends
> smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't ever
> see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems with
> it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it didn't
> help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that habit.. I
> don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry about my
> daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has tried
> it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug days..
> JIM
> 
> Sean Courtney <dauber@banana-and-louie.org> wrote:
> On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:
> 
>> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
>> mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
>> propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
>> gave him intellectual insight.
> 
> I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not the
> only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.
> 
> My overall thoughts:
> 
> 1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your lungs
> ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
> the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your lungs
> force it out.
> 
> 2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff of
> at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
> someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
> you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the songs
> in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is NOT
> a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
> stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now.
> 
> 3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here in
> NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several times
> for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
> legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
> thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
> bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
> bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
> governor just don't give me a good feeling.
> 
> 4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, what
> with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.
> 
> 5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)
> 
> --
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From djbrook at hevanet.com  Sat Oct 15 11:44:11 2005
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Sat Oct 15 14:51:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
References: <20051015193720.22282.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c5d1b8$72dab290$6b00a8c0@djb>

Jim,

Your story touched my heart, too, and I echo Barbara's sentiments.  I'm so in agreement with you as to parenting- when your childhood is chaos (as mine was also, with a bi-polar mother before it was even called that), it seems to me you just want to do better by your own children and make sure that they never suffer the things you went through.  We all will (and do) make mistakes with our kids (and lives), but at least let them not be the same ones!
  
Thank you for your courageous and eloquent sharing of your story.

Blessings,
Doris

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Pappaconstantine 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!


  Thanks Barbara..
  There were four of us.. I am the oldest and We all walked away from that experience knowing that Our lives were not going to mirror our childhoods.
  That's what kills me about people who blame their lives today on happenings of their childhoods.. I know everyone is different... but how can a person who was beaten as a child grow up to beat their child? I think you've got to look at circumstances and realize how distructive they are and vow that things will be different.. better.. for your child.
  Parenting is extremely important to me,, So much so that for the last 10 years my kids have lived with me. (My wife and I split 10 years ago) Though we are still good friends, She wanted her freedom and I wanted to be a good father.
  I guess it's all in prioritizing.

  Anyway.. Thanks for the nice pat on the back.. JIM

  Barbara Siomos <barbarasiomos38@msn.com> wrote:
    Wow Jim..... Thank you for sharing, I know you did not do it for this reason but hell you had a crazy child/teen hood and turned out to be an awesome strong Guy who worries about his children as we all do. I am so sorry about your Dad and your Grand pop, they were dealt a poor poor hand in life... your Male role models had it tough which in turn gave you strength

    You have to take control as a parent... They do not need us as friends they need guidance from a parent, we can be both and should be both.... Hope that makes sense.

    peace and love... I am proud to know you.

    barbara


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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Sat Oct 15 15:36:44 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Sat Oct 15 15:43:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Protest and Pushback on Campus 
References: <200510151900.j9FJ0Dnb003970@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <000601c5d1d8$eb6c4690$6401a8c0@Leo>


----- Original Message ----- 
 From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
 Subject: Protest and Pushback on Campus

............. It is happening again folks on Campus's around the country.... 
The students are speaking up BUT have flack from the right 
wingers...............

 peace,
barbara
 ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~^~^~^~^~^~

The spark has to start somewhere for sure. Remember SNCC (Student Nonviolent 
Coordinating Committee) really paved the way in 1960 for the soon-to-be SDS 
(Students for Democratic Society). Both groups were very few in numbers 
initially but SDS grew to over 100,000 before internal problems and 
COINTELPRO caused the SDS to splinter apart and give rise to the Weathermen. 
But it sounds as if the seeds are planted again!
Thanks for this article Barbara.

PEACE,
Leo


From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sat Oct 15 16:33:26 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sat Oct 15 16:40:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] "My Life is my Sundance"
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV4994244F0511EA14AEBC4AB7C0@phx.gbl>

Most of you (I think) are familiar with Leonard Peltier so I would like to turn you on to something absolutely beautiful. Harvey Arden (Author/Ghostwriter) has taken some notes that Leonard has written on whatever he had available and made a spoken word CD with the music of Rev. Goat Carson & New Orleans Light. Instruments used in background: Buffalo Jawbone Harp w/backing vocals and harmonica; George Ingmire using Heartbeat Drum and guitar; Harry Lenz using Bass Clarinet and Saxophone; Michael Voelker using Drums.... Let me tell you folks I have been around a lot of musicians and different types of music and this is SPELL BINDING... :-)

Harvey reads Leonard's words with the music playing softly in the background and I could not move for the entire CD.

It is called "My Life is my Sundance" Prison Writings of Leonard Peltier and is available from CD Baby 1-800-448-6369  or  cdbaby@cdbaby.com  or  cdbaby.com is their website.....I ordered 2 copies with a 20% discount = $24.00 + $3.85 shipping Total $27.85  of course IF you want you can order one copy @ $15.00 plus $2.25 shipping Total $17.25...... It is a g-r-e-a-t deal and oh so beautiful and spell binding..

Had to turn you on....  :-)

peace,
barbara

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Oct 16 08:02:13 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Oct 16 08:09:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] who is the black lady in the movie who sings easy to be
	hard?
Message-ID: <000801c5d262$9727e7d0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

dramatically i thought it was horrible ( from the pt of view of the script; taking the song away from sheila etc )
but the singer and her rendition are gorgeous
who is she?
hell of a set of pipes
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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Sun Oct 16 08:57:29 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Sun Oct 16 08:12:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: who is the black lady in the movie who sings easy to
	be hard?
In-Reply-To: <000801c5d262$9727e7d0$f1476c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <3445f2fc5c4.5a68821@outgoing.verizon.net>

On 10/16/2005, richard haase wrote:

> dramatically i thought it was horrible ( from the pt of view of the
> script; taking the song away from sheila etc ) but the singer and her
> rendition are gorgeous who is she?
> hell of a set of pipes

Cheryl Barnes
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Oct 16 08:38:07 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Oct 16 08:45:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: who is the black lady in the movie who sings easy
	to	be hard?
References: <3445f2fc5c4.5a68821@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <002801c5d267$9b1869a0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

she was in the magic show too
and magnificent right?
she sings solid silver platform shoes with annie mcgreevy right?

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To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: who is the black lady in the movie who sings easy to
be hard?


> On 10/16/2005, richard haase wrote:
>
> > dramatically i thought it was horrible ( from the pt of view of the
> > script; taking the song away from sheila etc ) but the singer and her
> > rendition are gorgeous who is she?
> > hell of a set of pipes
>
> Cheryl Barnes
> --
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Oct 16 08:38:32 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Oct 16 08:45:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] ive always been a fan of cheryl barnes no wonder
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From bgonzal at rci.rutgers.edu  Sun Oct 16 08:45:10 2005
From: bgonzal at rci.rutgers.edu (Wm-A Gonzalez)
Date: Sun Oct 16 08:57:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: who is the black lady in the movie who sings easy
	tobe hard?
References: <3445f2fc5c4.5a68821@outgoing.verizon.net>
Message-ID: <002401c5d268$9780f590$8501a8c0@BBP>

Yes.  She also did a song on the American Gigolo soundtrack.  "Love and 
Passion"?

To my dismay, several years later, I saw her on Star Search, and she lost in 
her first round.

I must admit that I like the slower arrangement of ETBH.  Idina Menzel based 
her rendition on it for the Encores! concert, and Jennifer Hudson brought it 
one step further on the Actors Fund recording.

-Bil Gonzalez


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:57 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: who is the black lady in the movie who sings easy 
tobe hard?


> On 10/16/2005, richard haase wrote:
>
>> dramatically i thought it was horrible ( from the pt of view of the
>> script; taking the song away from sheila etc ) but the singer and her
>> rendition are gorgeous who is she?
>> hell of a set of pipes
>
> Cheryl Barnes
> --
> dauber@banana-and-louie.org
> * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sun Oct 16 12:06:20 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun Oct 16 12:13:28 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Preponderance of Jims
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Sun, 16 Oct 2005
	12:00:13 -0700
Message-ID: <7048-4352A4AC-3462@storefull-3276.bay.webtv.net>


I wonder with all of our Jims, if it wouldn't make sense to refer to Jim
P., Jim B., et al....

And if that's just me being silly, my apologies!

(But all these Giants turnovers have me wearied...  (The team may have
the wrong Manning, for the job...)

;-)

Jim B.

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Oct 16 10:45:36 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Oct 16 12:26:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
In-Reply-To: <20051015193720.22282.qmail@web54211.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BF780A00.24A20%michael@michaelbutler.com>

So cool, nothing more important than the kids.
Peace and Love, Michael

> Thanks Barbara..
> There were four of us.. I am the oldest and We all walked away from that
> experience knowing that Our lives were not going to mirror our childhoods.
> That's what kills me about people who blame their lives today on happenings of
> their childhoods.. I know everyone is different... but how can a person who
> was beaten as a child grow up to beat their child? I think you've got to look
> at circumstances and realize how distructive they are and vow that things will
> be different.. better.. for your child.
> Parenting is extremely important to me,, So much so that for the last 10 years
> my kids have lived with me. (My wife and I split 10 years ago) Though we are
> still good friends, She wanted her freedom and I wanted to be a good father.
> I guess it's all in prioritizing.
> 
> Anyway.. Thanks for the nice pat on the back.. JIM
> 
> Barbara Siomos <barbarasiomos38@msn.com> wrote:
> Wow Jim..... Thank you for sharing, I know you did not do it for this reason
> but hell you had a crazy child/teen hood and turned out to be an awesome
> strong Guy who worries about his children as we all do. I am so sorry about
> your Dad and your Grand pop, they were dealt a poor poor hand in life... your
> Male role models had it tough which in turn gave you strength
> 
> You have to take control as a parent... They do not need us as friends they
> need guidance from a parent, we can be both and should be both.... Hope that
> makes sense.
> 
> peace and love... I am proud to know you.
> 
> barbara
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Pappaconstantine
> Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:51:21 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
> 
> 
> My weed story... a brief background of JIM
> 
> 
> 
> It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the end..
> 
> 
> 
> Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe 5 or
> 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad My Mom
> divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to live
> the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of
> industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad, every
> week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15 or 16,
> then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so then.
> (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears, as he
> would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable.
> drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than I
> could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed off... I
> grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in
> health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of 22 and
> had
> four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore. My Dad
> was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my family was.) Anyway.. After the
> divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from wherever..
> and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really bothered me,
> so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974 through
> sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a
> misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My grandfather
> followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on from a
> broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene, was a
> biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him.. Many
> nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken rages..
> Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place to be.
> My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was und
> er the
> shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET I got
> my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more money
> than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great news..
> Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long time
> fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all excited
> and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage..All of the gang would
> hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as I was
> really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to talk me
> into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and took the
> joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked.. Anyway..
> Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking.. why not..
> My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe a week
> after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as
> ked how
> long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door. I
> then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd have huge
> parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at a
> concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School the
> following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit him..
> (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with my step
> father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving door
> of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the point
> where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no
> exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and
> Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did it..
> Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put under my
> nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was learning
> Bass, I
> would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me moments
> earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to drugs
> was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided that
> music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing anything
> for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around friends
> smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't ever
> see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems with
> it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it didn't
> help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that habit.. I
> don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry about my
> daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has tried
> it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug days..
> JIM
> 
> Sean Courtney wrote:
> On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:
> 
>> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
>> mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
>> propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
>> gave him intellectual insight.
> 
> I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not the
> only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.
> 
> My overall thoughts:
> 
> 1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your lungs
> ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
> the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your lungs
> force it out.
> 
> 2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff of
> at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
> someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
> you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the songs
> in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is NOT
> a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
> stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now.
> 
> 3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here in
> NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several times
> for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
> legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
> thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
> bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
> bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
> governor just don't give me a good feeling.
> 
> 4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, what
> with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.
> 
> 5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)
> 
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Oct 16 12:37:44 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sun Oct 16 12:44:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
References: <BF780A00.24A20%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <000801c5d289$14adbc90$53bc2041@CowBox>

The children are the most important on earth, I have a 37 year old son who 
couldn't make me any prouder & has given me 3 beautiful grand children. If 
you think about it everybody has a "closet" & a story to tell. Jim I really 
do not believe that marijuana made you move to "harder stuff." I tend to 
believe it was 'circumstance's' possibly in your life & who really knows & 
who really cares the bottom line is that you want to teach "the children 
well." Never lose that wonderful mind brother :)

Love forever
Robin





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!


> So cool, nothing more important than the kids.
> Peace and Love, Michael
>
>> Thanks Barbara..
>> There were four of us.. I am the oldest and We all walked away from that
>> experience knowing that Our lives were not going to mirror our 
>> childhoods.
>> That's what kills me about people who blame their lives today on 
>> happenings of
>> their childhoods.. I know everyone is different... but how can a person 
>> who
>> was beaten as a child grow up to beat their child? I think you've got to 
>> look
>> at circumstances and realize how distructive they are and vow that things 
>> will
>> be different.. better.. for your child.
>> Parenting is extremely important to me,, So much so that for the last 10 
>> years
>> my kids have lived with me. (My wife and I split 10 years ago) Though we 
>> are
>> still good friends, She wanted her freedom and I wanted to be a good 
>> father.
>> I guess it's all in prioritizing.
>>
>> Anyway.. Thanks for the nice pat on the back.. JIM
>>
>> Barbara Siomos <barbarasiomos38@msn.com> wrote:
>> Wow Jim..... Thank you for sharing, I know you did not do it for this 
>> reason
>> but hell you had a crazy child/teen hood and turned out to be an awesome
>> strong Guy who worries about his children as we all do. I am so sorry 
>> about
>> your Dad and your Grand pop, they were dealt a poor poor hand in life... 
>> your
>> Male role models had it tough which in turn gave you strength
>>
>> You have to take control as a parent... They do not need us as friends 
>> they
>> need guidance from a parent, we can be both and should be both.... Hope 
>> that
>> makes sense.
>>
>> peace and love... I am proud to know you.
>>
>> barbara
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Pappaconstantine
>> Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:51:21 -0700
>> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
>>
>>
>> My weed story... a brief background of JIM
>>
>>
>>
>> It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the 
>> end..
>>
>>
>>
>> Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe 
>> 5 or
>> 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad My 
>> Mom
>> divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to 
>> live
>> the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of
>> industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad, 
>> every
>> week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15 or 
>> 16,
>> then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so 
>> then.
>> (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears, 
>> as he
>> would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable.
>> drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than I
>> could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed 
>> off... I
>> grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in
>> health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of 22 
>> and
>> had
>> four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore. My 
>> Dad
>> was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my family was.) Anyway.. After the
>> divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from 
>> wherever..
>> and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really 
>> bothered me,
>> so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974 
>> through
>> sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a
>> misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My 
>> grandfather
>> followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on 
>> from a
>> broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene, 
>> was a
>> biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him.. Many
>> nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken 
>> rages..
>> Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place to 
>> be.
>> My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was und
>> er the
>> shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET 
>> I got
>> my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more 
>> money
>> than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great 
>> news..
>> Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long time
>> fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all 
>> excited
>> and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage..All of the gang 
>> would
>> hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as 
>> I was
>> really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to 
>> talk me
>> into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and took 
>> the
>> joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked.. 
>> Anyway..
>> Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking.. why 
>> not..
>> My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe a 
>> week
>> after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as
>> ked how
>> long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door. 
>> I
>> then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd have 
>> huge
>> parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at a
>> concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School 
>> the
>> following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit 
>> him..
>> (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with my 
>> step
>> father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving 
>> door
>> of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the 
>> point
>> where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no
>> exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and
>> Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did 
>> it..
>> Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put under 
>> my
>> nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was 
>> learning
>> Bass, I
>> would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me 
>> moments
>> earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to 
>> drugs
>> was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided 
>> that
>> music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing 
>> anything
>> for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around 
>> friends
>> smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't 
>> ever
>> see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems 
>> with
>> it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it 
>> didn't
>> help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that 
>> habit.. I
>> don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry about 
>> my
>> daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has 
>> tried
>> it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug 
>> days..
>> JIM
>>
>> Sean Courtney wrote:
>> On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:
>>
>>> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
>>> mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
>>> propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
>>> gave him intellectual insight.
>>
>> I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not 
>> the
>> only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.
>>
>> My overall thoughts:
>>
>> 1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your 
>> lungs
>> ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
>> the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your 
>> lungs
>> force it out.
>>
>> 2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff 
>> of
>> at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
>> someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
>> you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the 
>> songs
>> in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is 
>> NOT
>> a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
>> stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now.
>>
>> 3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here 
>> in
>> NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several 
>> times
>> for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
>> legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
>> thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
>> bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
>> bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
>> governor just don't give me a good feeling.
>>
>> 4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, 
>> what
>> with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.
>>
>> 5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)
>>
>> --
>> dauber@banana-and-louie.org
>> * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
>> blog: http://scattered-frog.blogspot.com
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Oct 16 16:05:05 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Oct 16 16:12:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
References: <BF780A00.24A20%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <008201c5d2a6$0bb85100$f1476c42@hotprojects>

absolutely
and again jim thank you for sharing your very poignant story
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!


> So cool, nothing more important than the kids.
> Peace and Love, Michael
>
> > Thanks Barbara..
> > There were four of us.. I am the oldest and We all walked away from that
> > experience knowing that Our lives were not going to mirror our
childhoods.
> > That's what kills me about people who blame their lives today on
happenings of
> > their childhoods.. I know everyone is different... but how can a person
who
> > was beaten as a child grow up to beat their child? I think you've got to
look
> > at circumstances and realize how distructive they are and vow that
things will
> > be different.. better.. for your child.
> > Parenting is extremely important to me,, So much so that for the last 10
years
> > my kids have lived with me. (My wife and I split 10 years ago) Though we
are
> > still good friends, She wanted her freedom and I wanted to be a good
father.
> > I guess it's all in prioritizing.
> >
> > Anyway.. Thanks for the nice pat on the back.. JIM
> >
> > Barbara Siomos <barbarasiomos38@msn.com> wrote:
> > Wow Jim..... Thank you for sharing, I know you did not do it for this
reason
> > but hell you had a crazy child/teen hood and turned out to be an awesome
> > strong Guy who worries about his children as we all do. I am so sorry
about
> > your Dad and your Grand pop, they were dealt a poor poor hand in life...
your
> > Male role models had it tough which in turn gave you strength
> >
> > You have to take control as a parent... They do not need us as friends
they
> > need guidance from a parent, we can be both and should be both.... Hope
that
> > makes sense.
> >
> > peace and love... I am proud to know you.
> >
> > barbara
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Pappaconstantine
> > Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:51:21 -0700
> > To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
> >
> >
> > My weed story... a brief background of JIM
> >
> >
> >
> > It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the
end..
> >
> >
> >
> > Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe
5 or
> > 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad My
Mom
> > divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to
live
> > the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of
> > industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad,
every
> > week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15
or 16,
> > then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so
then.
> > (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears,
as he
> > would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable.
> > drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than
I
> > could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed
off... I
> > grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in
> > health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of
22 and
> > had
> > four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore.
My Dad
> > was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my family was.) Anyway.. After the
> > divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from
wherever..
> > and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really
bothered me,
> > so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974
through
> > sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a
> > misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My
grandfather
> > followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on
from a
> > broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene,
was a
> > biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him..
Many
> > nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken
rages..
> > Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place
to be.
> > My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was
und
> > er the
> > shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET
I got
> > my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more
money
> > than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great
news..
> > Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long
time
> > fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all
excited
> > and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage..All of the gang
would
> > hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as
I was
> > really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to
talk me
> > into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and took
the
> > joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked..
Anyway..
> > Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking.. why
not..
> > My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe a
week
> > after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as
> > ked how
> > long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door.
I
> > then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd
have huge
> > parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at
a
> > concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School
the
> > following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit
him..
> > (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with
my step
> > father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving
door
> > of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the
point
> > where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no
> > exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and
> > Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did
it..
> > Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put
under my
> > nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was
learning
> > Bass, I
> > would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me
moments
> > earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to
drugs
> > was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided
that
> > music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing
anything
> > for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around
friends
> > smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't
ever
> > see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems
with
> > it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it
didn't
> > help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that
habit.. I
> > don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry
about my
> > daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has
tried
> > it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug
days..
> > JIM
> >
> > Sean Courtney wrote:
> > On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:
> >
> >> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
> >> mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
> >> propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
> >> gave him intellectual insight.
> >
> > I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not
the
> > only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.
> >
> > My overall thoughts:
> >
> > 1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your
lungs
> > ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close
to
> > the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your
lungs
> > force it out.
> >
> > 2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff
of
> > at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
> > someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
> > you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the
songs
> > in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is
NOT
> > a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
> > stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now.
> >
> > 3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here
in
> > NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several
times
> > for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
> > legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
> > thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
> > bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
> > bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
> > governor just don't give me a good feeling.
> >
> > 4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it,
what
> > with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.
> >
> > 5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)
> >
> > --
> > dauber@banana-and-louie.org
> > * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
> > blog: http://scattered-frog.blogspot.com
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Oct 16 16:07:28 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Oct 16 16:14:44 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] any of the tribe in nyc area let me know
Message-ID: <000a01c5d2a6$62d138d0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

I will try and cook for you

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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 16 16:24:00 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Sun Oct 16 16:31:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
In-Reply-To: <BF780A00.24A20%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20051016232400.67197.qmail@web54202.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Michael... I totally agree...

Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com> wrote:So cool, nothing more important than the kids.
Peace and Love, Michael

> Thanks Barbara..
> There were four of us.. I am the oldest and We all walked away from that
> experience knowing that Our lives were not going to mirror our childhoods.
> That's what kills me about people who blame their lives today on happenings of
> their childhoods.. I know everyone is different... but how can a person who
> was beaten as a child grow up to beat their child? I think you've got to look
> at circumstances and realize how distructive they are and vow that things will
> be different.. better.. for your child.
> Parenting is extremely important to me,, So much so that for the last 10 years
> my kids have lived with me. (My wife and I split 10 years ago) Though we are
> still good friends, She wanted her freedom and I wanted to be a good father.
> I guess it's all in prioritizing.
> 
> Anyway.. Thanks for the nice pat on the back.. JIM
> 
> Barbara Siomos wrote:
> Wow Jim..... Thank you for sharing, I know you did not do it for this reason
> but hell you had a crazy child/teen hood and turned out to be an awesome
> strong Guy who worries about his children as we all do. I am so sorry about
> your Dad and your Grand pop, they were dealt a poor poor hand in life... your
> Male role models had it tough which in turn gave you strength
> 
> You have to take control as a parent... They do not need us as friends they
> need guidance from a parent, we can be both and should be both.... Hope that
> makes sense.
> 
> peace and love... I am proud to know you.
> 
> barbara
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Pappaconstantine
> Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:51:21 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
> 
> 
> My weed story... a brief background of JIM
> 
> 
> 
> It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the end..
> 
> 
> 
> Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe 5 or
> 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad My Mom
> divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to live
> the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of
> industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad, every
> week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15 or 16,
> then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so then.
> (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears, as he
> would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable.
> drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than I
> could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed off... I
> grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in
> health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of 22 and
> had
> four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore. My Dad
> was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my family was.) Anyway.. After the
> divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from wherever..
> and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really bothered me,
> so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974 through
> sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a
> misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My grandfather
> followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on from a
> broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene, was a
> biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him.. Many
> nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken rages..
> Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place to be.
> My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was und
> er the
> shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET I got
> my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more money
> than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great news..
> Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long time
> fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all excited
> and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage..All of the gang would
> hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as I was
> really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to talk me
> into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and took the
> joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked.. Anyway..
> Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking.. why not..
> My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe a week
> after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as
> ked how
> long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door. I
> then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd have huge
> parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at a
> concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School the
> following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit him..
> (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with my step
> father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving door
> of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the point
> where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no
> exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and
> Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did it..
> Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put under my
> nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was learning
> Bass, I
> would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me moments
> earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to drugs
> was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided that
> music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing anything
> for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around friends
> smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't ever
> see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems with
> it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it didn't
> help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that habit.. I
> don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry about my
> daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has tried
> it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug days..
> JIM
> 
> Sean Courtney wrote:
> On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:
> 
>> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
>> mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
>> propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
>> gave him intellectual insight.
> 
> I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not the
> only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.
> 
> My overall thoughts:
> 
> 1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your lungs
> ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
> the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your lungs
> force it out.
> 
> 2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff of
> at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
> someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
> you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the songs
> in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is NOT
> a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
> stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now.
> 
> 3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here in
> NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several times
> for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
> legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
> thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
> bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
> bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
> governor just don't give me a good feeling.
> 
> 4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, what
> with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.
> 
> 5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)
> 
> --
> dauber@banana-and-louie.org
> * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
> blog: http://scattered-frog.blogspot.com
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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Sun Oct 16 16:32:18 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Sun Oct 16 16:39:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re:  "My Life is my Sundance"
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Message-ID: <001101c5d2a9$d97d4a20$6401a8c0@Leo>

Barbara, I meant to tell you that a coupla weeks ago I watched the 
documentary entitled INCIDENT AT OLGALA - The Leonard Peltier Story. It 
really blew my mind to see how Leonard was so utterly shafted by Big 
Brother!! It's unconscionable.

PEACE,
Leo
-------------------Original Message----------------------------
 From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
 Subject: [Mb-hair] "My Life is my Sundance"

 .............................Most of you (I think) are familiar with 
Leonard Peltier so I would like to turn you on to something absolutely 
beautiful. Harvey Arden (Author/Ghostwriter) has taken some notes that 
Leonard has written on whatever he had available and made a spoken word CD 
with the music of Rev. Goat Carson & New Orleans Light. Instruments used in 
background: Buffalo Jawbone Harp w/backing vocals and harmonica; George 
Ingmire using Heartbeat Drum and guitar; Harry Lenz using Bass Clarinet and 
Saxophone; Michael Voelker using Drums.... Let me tell you folks I have been 
around a lot of musicians and different types of music and this is SPELL 
BINDING... :-)................................
 peace,
 barbara


From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 16 16:35:40 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Sun Oct 16 16:42:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
In-Reply-To: <000801c5d289$14adbc90$53bc2041@CowBox>
Message-ID: <20051016233540.4465.qmail@web54214.mail.yahoo.com>

Yeah.. Ia m not sure that Pot led me to other drugs or circumstance as you said.. But.. Coming from a life where no drugs were around me.. going to a house where they were all around me.. I felt, I smoked Pot.. It didn't kill me, it didn't seem as bad as I had heard.. so why not try hash.. and then some other jungle vine.. Point is for me.. I felt the need to try it all, after I had started.. 
 
And totally agreed.. Everyone has  a closet story... Mine was only written for the underlining story of how I started and what it led to in the whole drug scene... I'm not ashamed of my upbringing nor am I proud of it.. It's just something that happened on my way to here. I have always tried keeping things in perspective..  I always think about people who are less fortunate than me.. I live just above that poverty level but.. I have a home, food, clothes, and family.. there are many people out there who do not..  
 
I'm a happy free spirited hippy.. Born late 62.. JIM

Robin McNamara <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
The children are the most important on earth, I have a 37 year old son who 
couldn't make me any prouder & has given me 3 beautiful grand children. If 
you think about it everybody has a "closet" & a story to tell. Jim I really 
do not believe that marijuana made you move to "harder stuff." I tend to 
believe it was 'circumstance's' possibly in your life & who really knows & 
who really cares the bottom line is that you want to teach "the children 
well." Never lose that wonderful mind brother :)

Love forever
Robin





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" 
To: "HAIR List" 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!


> So cool, nothing more important than the kids.
> Peace and Love, Michael
>
>> Thanks Barbara..
>> There were four of us.. I am the oldest and We all walked away from that
>> experience knowing that Our lives were not going to mirror our 
>> childhoods.
>> That's what kills me about people who blame their lives today on 
>> happenings of
>> their childhoods.. I know everyone is different... but how can a person 
>> who
>> was beaten as a child grow up to beat their child? I think you've got to 
>> look
>> at circumstances and realize how distructive they are and vow that things 
>> will
>> be different.. better.. for your child.
>> Parenting is extremely important to me,, So much so that for the last 10 
>> years
>> my kids have lived with me. (My wife and I split 10 years ago) Though we 
>> are
>> still good friends, She wanted her freedom and I wanted to be a good 
>> father.
>> I guess it's all in prioritizing.
>>
>> Anyway.. Thanks for the nice pat on the back.. JIM
>>
>> Barbara Siomos wrote:
>> Wow Jim..... Thank you for sharing, I know you did not do it for this 
>> reason
>> but hell you had a crazy child/teen hood and turned out to be an awesome
>> strong Guy who worries about his children as we all do. I am so sorry 
>> about
>> your Dad and your Grand pop, they were dealt a poor poor hand in life... 
>> your
>> Male role models had it tough which in turn gave you strength
>>
>> You have to take control as a parent... They do not need us as friends 
>> they
>> need guidance from a parent, we can be both and should be both.... Hope 
>> that
>> makes sense.
>>
>> peace and love... I am proud to know you.
>>
>> barbara
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Pappaconstantine
>> Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:51:21 -0700
>> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
>>
>>
>> My weed story... a brief background of JIM
>>
>>
>>
>> It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the 
>> end..
>>
>>
>>
>> Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe 
>> 5 or
>> 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad My 
>> Mom
>> divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to 
>> live
>> the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of
>> industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad, 
>> every
>> week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15 or 
>> 16,
>> then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so 
>> then.
>> (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears, 
>> as he
>> would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable.
>> drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than I
>> could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed 
>> off... I
>> grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in
>> health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of 22 
>> and
>> had
>> four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore. My 
>> Dad
>> was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my family was.) Anyway.. After the
>> divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from 
>> wherever..
>> and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really 
>> bothered me,
>> so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974 
>> through
>> sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a
>> misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My 
>> grandfather
>> followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on 
>> from a
>> broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene, 
>> was a
>> biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him.. Many
>> nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken 
>> rages..
>> Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place to 
>> be.
>> My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was und
>> er the
>> shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET 
>> I got
>> my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more 
>> money
>> than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great 
>> news..
>> Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long time
>> fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all 
>> excited
>> and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage..All of the gang 
>> would
>> hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as 
>> I was
>> really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to 
>> talk me
>> into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and took 
>> the
>> joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked.. 
>> Anyway..
>> Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking.. why 
>> not..
>> My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe a 
>> week
>> after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as
>> ked how
>> long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door. 
>> I
>> then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd have 
>> huge
>> parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at a
>> concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School 
>> the
>> following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit 
>> him..
>> (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with my 
>> step
>> father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving 
>> door
>> of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the 
>> point
>> where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no
>> exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and
>> Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did 
>> it..
>> Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put under 
>> my
>> nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was 
>> learning
>> Bass, I
>> would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me 
>> moments
>> earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to 
>> drugs
>> was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided 
>> that
>> music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing 
>> anything
>> for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around 
>> friends
>> smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't 
>> ever
>> see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems 
>> with
>> it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it 
>> didn't
>> help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that 
>> habit.. I
>> don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry about 
>> my
>> daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has 
>> tried
>> it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug 
>> days..
>> JIM
>>
>> Sean Courtney wrote:
>> On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:
>>
>>> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
>>> mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
>>> propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
>>> gave him intellectual insight.
>>
>> I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not 
>> the
>> only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.
>>
>> My overall thoughts:
>>
>> 1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your 
>> lungs
>> ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
>> the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your 
>> lungs
>> force it out.
>>
>> 2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff 
>> of
>> at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
>> someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
>> you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the 
>> songs
>> in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is 
>> NOT
>> a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
>> stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now.
>>
>> 3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here 
>> in
>> NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several 
>> times
>> for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
>> legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
>> thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
>> bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
>> bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
>> governor just don't give me a good feeling.
>>
>> 4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, 
>> what
>> with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.
>>
>> 5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)
>>
>> --
>> dauber@banana-and-louie.org
>> * ICQ: 28677921 * YIM: dau_ber * AIM: ddaauubbeerr
>> blog: http://scattered-frog.blogspot.com
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From olhippie at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Oct 16 16:59:46 2005
From: olhippie at tampabay.rr.com (Robin McNamara)
Date: Sun Oct 16 17:06:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
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Message-ID: <001701c5d2ad$aff6a800$53bc2041@CowBox>

Right on brother :) "Erb" is a a good friend in the overall scheme of things "says I" 

Love Forever
Robin


  From: James Pappaconstantine 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!


  Yeah.. Ia m not sure that Pot led me to other drugs or circumstance as you said.. But.. Coming from a life where no drugs were around me.. going to a house where they were all around me.. I felt, I smoked Pot.. It didn't kill me, it didn't seem as bad as I had heard.. so why not try hash.. and then some other jungle vine.. Point is for me.. I felt the need to try it all, after I had started.. 

  And totally agreed.. Everyone has  a closet story... Mine was only written for the underlining story of how I started and what it led to in the whole drug scene... I'm not ashamed of my upbringing nor am I proud of it.. It's just something that happened on my way to here. I have always tried keeping things in perspective..  I always think about people who are less fortunate than me.. I live just above that poverty level but.. I have a home, food, clothes, and family.. there are many people out there who do not..  

  I'm a happy free spirited hippy.. Born late 62.. JIM

  Robin McNamara <olhippie@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
    The children are the most important on earth, I have a 37 year old son who 
    couldn't make me any prouder & has given me 3 beautiful grand children. If 
    you think about it everybody has a "closet" & a story to tell. Jim I really 
    do not believe that marijuana made you move to "harder stuff." I tend to 
    believe it was 'circumstance's' possibly in your life & who really knows & 
    who really cares the bottom line is that you want to teach "the children 
    well." Never lose that wonderful mind brother :)

    Love forever
    Robin





    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Michael Butler" 
    To: "HAIR List" 
    Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:45 PM
    Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!


    > So cool, nothing more important than the kids.
    &g t; Peace and Love, Michael
    >
    >> Thanks Barbara..
    >> There were four of us.. I am the oldest and We all walked away from that
    >> experience knowing that Our lives were not going to mirror our 
    >> childhoods.
    >> That's what kills me about people who blame their lives today on 
    >> happenings of
    >> their childhoods.. I know everyone is different... but how can a person 
    >> who
    >> was beaten as a child grow up to beat their child? I think you've got to 
    >> look
    >> at circumstances and realize how distructive they are and vow that things 
    >> will
    >> be different.. better.. for your child.
    >> Parenting is extremely important to me,, So much so that for the last 10 
    >> years
    >> my kids have lived with me. (My wife and I split 10 years ago) Though we 
    >> are
    >> still good friends, She wanted her freedom and I wanted to be a goo d 
    >> father.
    >> I guess it's all in prioritizing.
    >>
    >> Anyway.. Thanks for the nice pat on the back.. JIM
    >>
    >> Barbara Siomos wrote:
    >> Wow Jim..... Thank you for sharing, I know you did not do it for this 
    >> reason
    >> but hell you had a crazy child/teen hood and turned out to be an awesome
    >> strong Guy who worries about his children as we all do. I am so sorry 
    >> about
    >> your Dad and your Grand pop, they were dealt a poor poor hand in life... 
    >> your
    >> Male role models had it tough which in turn gave you strength
    >>
    >> You have to take control as a parent... They do not need us as friends 
    >> they
    >> need guidance from a parent, we can be both and should be both.... Hope 
    >> that
    >> makes sense.
    >>
    >> peace and love... I am proud to know you.
    >>
    >> barbara
    >>
    >> -----Original Message-----
    >> From: James Pappaconstantine
    >> Sent: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:51:21 -0700
    >> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
    >> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
    >>
    >>
    >> My weed story... a brief background of JIM
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> It's long.. it's crazy... it's sad... but it all turns out well in the 
    >> end..
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Growing up, My father had MS. It began to take its toll when I was maybe 
    >> 5 or
    >> 6, and quickly over powered the man who used to stand tall as my Dad My 
    >> Mom
    >> divorced him when I was maybe 8 or 9 and he was sent to City Hospital to 
    >> live
    >> the rest of his days. (City Hospital was an awful place, the smells of
    >> industrial cleanser reeked in the hallways.) We would go visit my Dad, 
    >> every
    >> week for the first few years.. then every month... till I was about 15 or 
    >> 16,
    >> then friends and other stuff became more important.. least I thought so 
    >> then.
    >> (And I guess in all fairness to myself.. I used to leave there in tears, 
    >> as he
    >> would look at me with these vacant eyes, and was basically a vegetable.
    >> drooling, unable to move.. It was more than a kid of 15, hell more than I
    >> could take today..) Anyway.. when my Mom divorced him.. I was pissed 
    >> off... I
    >> grew up believing the better or worst, richer or poorer, sickness and in
    >> health.. (Looking at it from an adults perspective.. My Mom was all of 22 
    >> and
    >> had
    >> four kids and a terribly sick husband..I'm not angry with her anymore. My 
    >> Dad
    >> was just dealt a shitty hand.. hell, my famil y was.) Anyway.. After the
    >> divorce my Mom started bringing guys home from her work and from 
    >> wherever..
    >> and there were parties and dates and all that stuff.. This really 
    >> bothered me,
    >> so I moved out and in with my grandparents.. (Mom's side.) From 1974 
    >> through
    >> sometime in 1976, I lived with them.. My grandmother died in 1975 of a
    >> misdiagnosed case of Tuberculosis (Sorry bout the spellings) My 
    >> grandfather
    >> followed her a year later.. Alcohol induced heart attack.. brought on 
    >> from a
    >> broken heart. I had to move back home.. My Mom had since married.. Gene, 
    >> was a
    >> biker, drug dealer and mean drunk, but my Mom saw something in him.. Many
    >> nights I would come home to the house upturned from one of his drunken 
    >> rages..
    >> Many a night I would listen to him hit my Mom.. It wasn't a good place to 
    >> be.
    >> My younger brother smoked.. All of our friends smoked.. but I who was und
    >> er the
    >> shelter of my Grandparents for the past few years was not tainted... YET 
    >> I got
    >> my first Job at 15, it was a summer job and I can remember having more 
    >> money
    >> than GOD, or so I thought.. After my first check came in, more great 
    >> news..
    >> Alice Cooper was coming to town.. and my brother and I had been long time
    >> fans. So I bought us tickets in June of 77. That day I came home all 
    >> excited
    >> and went to the fort we had in the neighbors garage..All of the gang 
    >> would
    >> hang there and roll and smoke pot.. I never smoked, just helped roll, as 
    >> I was
    >> really good at it, and then pass it by.. the gang would always try to 
    >> talk me
    >> into it, and that day.. I was just so happy, I said.. fuck it.. and took 
    >> the
    >> joint.. I remember I didn't even get stoned the first time I smoked.. 
    >> Anyway..
    >> Mom was smoking, Step Dad was smoking, little brother was smoking.. why 
    >> not..
    >> My Mom found a little bowl and smoking kit in a jacket pocket maybe a 
    >> week
    >> after I started.. She told me, She wasn't happy about it and as
    >> ked how
    >> long I had been smoking.. I replied.. Years. That kinda opened the door. 
    >> I
    >> then started smoking in the house with my Mom and step father.. We'd have 
    >> huge
    >> parties pretty much every week.. I mean crazy parties. Like up front at a
    >> concert only through the whole house.. I got kicked out of High School 
    >> the
    >> following year for fighting with the Vise Principal, who dared me to hit 
    >> him..
    >> (Little man with the Napoleon Complex) So.. I sat home and smoked with my 
    >> step
    >> father.. playing cribbage and spades, hearts and chess as the revolving 
    >> door
    >> of clients came by to smoke and buy many flavors of weed.. It got to the 
    >> point
    >> where I was smoking nearly a half an ounce of dope a day. (that's no
    >> exaggeration.) Pot led to Cocaine, and Qualudes, and Crystal Meth and
    >> Mushrooms, Hash, Angel Dust, Speed, Acid, THC, PCP... you name it, I did 
    >> it..
    >> Except I never used needles. I smoked and did anything that was put under 
    >> my
    >> nose from 1977 til 1983 or 84. I had then joined a rock band and was 
    >> learning
    >> Bass, I
    >> would get stoned and totally not remember the parts just taught to me 
    >> moments
    >> earlier.. I was so flighty.. So.. The thing that draws many people to 
    >> drugs
    >> was the thing that pulled me away from drugs.. Rock n roll. I decided 
    >> that
    >> music meant more to me than drugs and I quit cold turkey.. Not doing 
    >> anything
    >> for the next 15 years or so.. Now.. maybe once a year if I am around 
    >> friends
    >> smoking.. I might take two tokes, just to get a slight buzz.. but can't 
    >> ever
    >> see myself doing it like I used to.. I know many people have no problems 
    >> with
    >> it.. Looks like the tide is turning with this new research too.. but it 
    >> didn't
    >> help my memory any.. And.. I would really hate my kids to start that 
    >> habit.. I
    >> don't think my son would as his asthma is terrible.. but I do worry about 
    >> my
    >> daughter sometimes.. but she is a good kid and though I am sure she has 
    >> tried
    >> it.. I don't think it is her scene.. Anyway.. thought I'd share my drug 
    >> days..
    >> JIM
    >>
    >> Sean Courtney wrote:
    >> On 10/15/2005, Robin McNamara wrote:
    >>
    >>> There are many things that marijuana is good for both physical &
    >>> mental. Our government refuses to study it properly & spreads garbage
    >>> propaganda of how bad it is for you. Carl Sagen, said that marijuana
    >>> gave him intellectual insight.
    >>
    >> I don't blame the government, and I'll tell ya why: ours is by far not 
    >> the
    >> only government to outlaw it. Very few countries allow it.
    >>
    >> My overall thoughts:
    >>
    >> 1) Whether it be pot, tobacco, or hickory, putting ANY smoke in your 
    >> lungs
    >> ain't safe -- that's why the fire department tells you to get as close to
    >> the ground as you can, so you don't breathe it in! And that's why your 
    >> lungs
    >> force it out.
    >>
    > ;> 2) The stuff stinks...literally! Either that or the stuff I got a whiff 
    >> of
    >> at the McCartney concerts (and the one Brian Wilson show I went to where
    >> someone lit up a blunt -- I'm sorry, but 1) you shouldn't light up when
    >> you're ten feet away from a recovering drug addict, and 2) of all the 
    >> songs
    >> in the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys catalog to turn on to, "Sloop John B" is 
    >> NOT
    >> a good one to do that to!!!!) I've been to was rancid....seriously, that
    >> stuff smelled like....well, sadly, what my feet smell like right now.
    >>
    >> 3) However, I wouldn't step in the way of legalizing it. In fact...here 
    >> in
    >> NJ there's this guy known as "NJ Weed Man" who's been arrested several 
    >> times
    >> for possessing the stuff. He's RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR!!! and promises to
    >> legalize the ganja here in the state. I'm seriously
    &g t;> thinking of voting for the dude -- he's much more qualified than the two
    >> bozos in the democratic and republican parties who are running. I'm not
    >> bashing republicans and democrats or anything, but the candidates for NJ
    >> governor just don't give me a good feeling.
    >>
    >> 4) It really would be in the government's best interest to legalize it, 
    >> what
    >> with the taxes they could put on it, medicinal qualities, etc.
    >>
    >> 5) Uhhh...nothing else, really...I just wanted a fifth point. :)
    >>
    >> --
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Oct 16 17:28:33 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Oct 16 17:35:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: weed - it's good for the brain!
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV11FE8C94C00943F50D28B0AB7E0@phx.gbl>

You are awesome Jim P. and there is no need to explain  :-) we love you for being you.

peace,
barbara


From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sun Oct 16 21:36:21 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun Oct 16 21:44:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Psychedelia Reduxe:  Fluorescent Flowers,
	Found  (www.dIscovery.com)
Message-ID: <23910-43532A45-7554@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>


Fluorescent Flowers Discovered
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20051003/flower.html


Isn't this just a few decades behind....?

:-)

(But what's sort of really interesting, is that these flowers also seem
to generate, their own sort of pulsating, light show...)

From michael at intrafi.com  Mon Oct 17 07:15:14 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Mon Oct 17 07:23:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FT.com / Markets data & tools / Funds - The Long View:
	Listening for the housing crunch
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Oct 17 09:19:19 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Oct 17 09:27:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A Mouse Told Me
Message-ID: <BF794747.24AC6%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Robert,
That today is a great one
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
Hope your leg is better.
And see you soon
Michael

From swiggard at comcast.net  Mon Oct 17 10:28:54 2005
From: swiggard at comcast.net (William Swiggard)
Date: Mon Oct 17 10:38:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Robert!
Message-ID: <4353DF56.8030703@comcast.net>

May it be a wonderful day, followed by a breathtaking year of good 
health, new adventures, excellent roller coaster rides and LOTS more 
HAIR sing-alongs!

Love eternally -
Bill
From sherwin at aceross.com  Mon Oct 17 11:42:05 2005
From: sherwin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Mon Oct 17 11:49:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Happy Birthday Robert!
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From jlunger at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 17 12:23:14 2005
From: jlunger at earthlink.net (Jeff Lunger)
Date: Mon Oct 17 12:30:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: A Mouse Told Me
Message-ID: <8973341.1129576994558.JavaMail.root@elwamui-royal.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Whuuutt??   Birfday???!!!

HAVE A LOVELY ONE ROBERT!!!  ALL THE BEST!!

LOVE
JEFF
From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Oct 17 13:51:06 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Oct 17 14:21:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Psychedelia Reduxe: Fluorescent Flowers,
	Found (www.dIscovery.com)
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV88BFA92473C676CA5B7D3AB7E0@phx.gbl>

Hmmn I remember seeing those in 1969 with the help of some Peyote.

peace 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Burns
Sent: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:36:21 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Cc: mb-civic@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Psychedelia Reduxe: Fluorescent Flowers, Found (www.dIscovery.com)


Fluorescent Flowers Discovered
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20051003/flower.html


Isn't this just a few decades behind....?

:-)

(But what's sort of really interesting, is that these flowers also seem
to generate, their own sort of pulsating, light show...)

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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Oct 17 14:01:38 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Oct 17 15:19:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Remarks for Friends of Conservation
Message-ID: <BF798972.24AE9%michael@michaelbutler.com>


Michael Butler's Blog

http://www.michaelbutler.com/mbblog.html

http://www.michaelbutler.com


From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Mon Oct 17 20:19:00 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Mon Oct 17 20:26:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: A Mouse Told Me
References: <200510171900.j9HJ0CKo009420@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c5d392$af3095d0$6401a8c0@Leo>

Happiest of birthdays to you Robert. Hope it was a good one filled with 
friends, gifts, and much cake & ice cream.

PEACE,
Leo

----- Original Message ----- 
 From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
 Subject: [Mb-hair] A Mouse Told Me
>Robert,
 That today is a great one
 HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
 Hope your leg is better.
 And see you soon


From fotoblue at flash.net  Mon Oct 17 23:11:17 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Mon Oct 17 23:18:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Post-Reunion update and AZ critter report
Message-ID: <380-220051021861117675@M2W065.mail2web.com>

Hi Jim,

That is so clever and funny - and I'm finding it only now, a month later!!!
;-)))))

Dagmar

Original Message:
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From:  jameshburns@webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:11:17 -0400
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Post-Reunion update and AZ critter report



Dagmar--

I've always wondered:

When attending an event like this--

Does the gathered assemblage--

Before it commences--

Sing--

(Ahem)


"Hello, Dalai"?

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From rpc06512 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 18 06:15:10 2005
From: rpc06512 at sbcglobal.net (Robert Camuto)
Date: Tue Oct 18 06:22:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: A Mouse Told Me
In-Reply-To: <001e01c5d392$af3095d0$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <20051018131510.35948.qmail@web81704.mail.yahoo.com>

Leo:
 
It was a very interesting day with many wonderful friends sending good wishes and it was topped off by a delicious dinner and CHOCOLATE CAKE!  I can't wait until next year.
 
Robert

Leo <peacefreak@metrocast.net> wrote:
Happiest of birthdays to you Robert. Hope it was a good one filled with 
friends, gifts, and much cake & ice cream.

PEACE,
Leo

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Subject: [Mb-hair] A Mouse Told Me
>Robert,
That today is a great one
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
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From drmhaatma at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 17 20:56:25 2005
From: drmhaatma at yahoo.com (Mha Atma Khalsa)
Date: Tue Oct 18 07:40:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Record high pot arrests in 2004
Message-ID: <E1ERsWD-00060V-Ok@smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Marijuana Arrests For Year 2004: 771,608, Record High;
FBI Report Reveals

Special News Release:
Marijuana Arrests For Year 2004: 771,608, Record High;
FBI Report Reveals
Pot Smokers Arrested In America At A Rate Of One Every
41 Seconds

October 17, 2005

Washington, DC: Police arrested an estimated 771,608
persons for marijuana violations in 2004, according to
the Federal Bureau of Investigation's annual Uniform
Crime Report, released today. The total is the highest
ever recorded by the FBI, and comprised 44.2 percent
of all drug arrests in the United States.

'"These numbers belie the myth that police do not
target and arrest minor marijuana offenders," said
NORML Executive Director Allen St. Pierre, who noted
that at current rates, a marijuana smoker is arrested
every 41 seconds in America. "This effort is a
tremendous waste of criminal justice resources that
diverts law enforcement personnel away from focusing
on serious and violent crime, including the war on
terrorism."

Of those charged with marijuana violations, 89 percent
- some 684,319 Americans - were charged with
possession only. The remaining 87,289 individuals were
charged with "sale/manufacture," a category that
includes all cultivation offenses - even those where
the marijuana was being grown for personal or medical
use. In past years, approximately 30 percent of those
arrested were age 19 or younger.

"Present policies have done little if anything to
decrease marijuana's availability or dissuade youth
from trying it," St. Pierre said, noting that a
majority of young people in the U.S. now report that
they have easier access to pot than alcohol or
tobacco.
The total number of marijuana arrests in the U.S. for
2004 far exceeded the total number of arrests in the
U.S. for all violent crimes combined, including
murder, manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and
aggravated assault.

Marijuana arrests have more than doubled since 1993.
"Arresting adults who smoke marijuana responsibly
needlessly destroys the lives of tens of thousands of
otherwise law abiding citizens each year," St. Pierre
said, adding that over 8 million Americans have been
arrested on marijuana charges in the past decade.
During this same time, arrests for cocaine and heroin
have declined sharply, indicating that increased
enforcement of marijuana laws is being achieved at the
expense of enforcing laws against the possession and
trafficking of more dangerous drugs.

St. Pierre concluded that "with nearly 17 million
citizens arrested on marijuana-related charges since
1965, is now not the time for the state and federal
governments to finally consider legally controlling
marijuana via taxation? Is not such a public policy
preferable to the current one where government arrests
an extraordinary amount of citizens for an adult
behavior that is not deviant, or, for that matter,
dissimilar than consuming products that contain
alcohol?"

YEAR       MARIJUANA ARRESTS
2004       771,608 
2003       755,187
2002       697,082
2001       723,627
2000       734,498
1999       704,812
1998       682,885
1997       695,200
1996       641,642
1995       588,963
1994       499,122
1993       380,689

For more information, please contact NORML's Executive
Director Allen St. Pierre, at (202) 483-5500. To view
NORML's latest and most comprehensive report and
analysis of marijuana arrests in the United States,
visit:

http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6411

With arrest numbers rising for marijuana consumers,
citizens need to know what the penalties are in their
state NORML has created a one-stop-shop for citizens
wanting marijuana penalty info at:
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4516

Marijuana laws can not reform themselves, and
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involved. Please join and support NORML's long
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From thefundepartment at comcast.net  Tue Oct 18 08:08:12 2005
From: thefundepartment at comcast.net (The Fun Department)
Date: Tue Oct 18 08:12:10 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: A Mouse Told Me
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From lbirdie at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 18 10:49:33 2005
From: lbirdie at hotmail.com (Little Birdie)
Date: Tue Oct 18 10:56:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: A Mouse Told Me
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Dear Robert,

You ate someone else's chocolate cake?!?! Sigh. I know I owe you one, or is 
that two chocolate raspberry cakes....?

Happy birthday again, dear Robert.
Lots of love,
Nina

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From toby at MusicAlly.com  Wed Oct 19 00:31:41 2005
From: toby at MusicAlly.com (toby@MusicAlly.com)
Date: Wed Oct 19 00:39:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] London Gate Theatre adaptation of Hair (SPOILERS!)
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Hello from London, England.

Newbie alert: I recently joined the list. Having spent a bit of time reading
through the past couple of months' messages, I thought I'd share my thoughts
on the new adaptation of Hair which is showing in London. So if you're
planning to go and don't want to see any SPOILERS, don't read ahead!

First a bit of background on my experience of Hair. I discovered the show
during the early 90s (my early teens) when it was staged by the Old Vic
theatre in London. That show was fairly dire in retrospect, not coming at a
particularly politically apposite time and coming a decade before the Old
Vic was re-born with Kevin Spacey in the artistic hot-seat. Still, I
listened to the soundtrack album from the Old Vic show repeatedly, then a
few years later obtained a video of the movie, in which I immersed myself.

(I appreciate from reading the archive that some of you do not like the
film. Personally, though I agree it has its problems, particularly towards
the beginning, I think Foreman's version is superb adaptation that adds the
kind of characterisation, plot and empathy which is pre-requisite in a movie
more than in a a stage play.)

Since the advent of internet music I've been able to listen to at least one
other Hair soundtrack, maybe more. I also narrowly missed seeing a staging
of Hair in Los Angeles about six years ago. So you can imagine my excitement
when I heard a version of Hair was being staged in London. However, upon
telephoning, I was told that the entire run was sold out. That was several
weeks ago; this weekend I received an e-mail informing me that some returns
had become available... and I bought two for Saturday's matin?e.

The Gate is a very small studio style theatre above a pub in the fashionable
/ vaguely artsy (but mostly now just wealthy) area of Notting Hill. It is an
odd theatre in that it is long and shallow, with the audience sitting just
two rows deep across the theatre's long side. I'd estimate the theatre fits
about 80 guests; I paid ?20 each for my tickets. Not much by West End
musical standards, but quite a lot by repertory theatre standards.

All things considered, I really enjoyed the show. More so than a lot of
London theatre - of which I see quite a bit. Certainly it was far more
exciting and nerve-tingling than the much-feted Guys and Dolls, which seemed
flat and even backwards by comparison. However, the Gate production is in
many regards monumentally flawed. As much as I whooped for joy at the
powerful, successful segments, I cringed with embarrassment at the banal,
heavy-handed sections.

First impression was one of bafflement. One of the initial sounds one hears
is a radio being tuned, with strains of Britney Spears emerging through the
ether. As the cast enter, one tribe member is wearing an iPod with those
signature white earbuds. Aha. This is Hair set in the present day. Or
rather, some undefined post-911, post 7/7 Iraq era with a massive dose of
Naomi Klein 1990s anti-corporate, anti-globalisation politics thrown in.
(The stage curtain carries a massive Coca-Cola inspired logo.)

The opening scene is a mime sequence in which Claude and Berger travel by
New York metro, one narrowly avoiding a suspected terrorist bomb, before
introducing themselves to the audience.

The Tribe arrives looking like something out of Fame or Flashdance: some
wearing rainbow-striped skateboard kneepads, many with shocking pink
facepaint on and all (except Claude) with the asymmetrical, semi-shaved
haircuts usually sported by the denizens of London's trendy Hoxton district.
For a crowd supposedly plucked from the present day they look utterly 80s,
an area of real incongruence. (The references to condoms and HIV which
appear towards the beginning of the show also come across as somehow
out-dated, bringing to mind the health campaigns of the 80s rather than the
rather more lax attitude to safe sex that many 21st century young people
seem to have.)

In the opening dance scene the Tribe is surrounded by an establishment of
zombie citizens, symbolised by cast members wearing black priest or judge's
robes. Each zombie carries in its mouth a different icon 20th century
consumerism - from Snickers bar wrappers to the Atkins Diet book to a
cellphone. Hence the theme of commercialism, which is only mildly alluded to
in the original, is made very explicit. Meanwhile the terrorism theme
returns time and time again; and sometimes the lyrics are changed to match -
for example "256 terrorists captured" instead of "Viet Cong captured". The
big be-in scene is set at one of the post-911 candle-lit vigils, with lyrics
changed to "Love, peace, candles, happiness."

Why are the Tribe together? In this version, all of them are students at
NYU. The characterisations themselves have been re-imagined. Claude is
reticent and manic depressive, though it's never entirely clear why he would
want to join the US Army. Supposedly he wants to go in order to get his
education paid for. There's an odd tangent in which Claude ends up spaced
out on Prozac (something which I believe, medically speaking, is not
entirely possible.)

Hud is now a woman - with a spectacular voice and buckets of personality.
Woof is now 100% gay, in fact the gayest gay one is ever likely to see on
stage... a very fun, camp performance complete with a trademark canine growl
and clawing hand-gestures. But perhaps a little too stereotyped for my
likeing. Woof has "H.I.V.I.P" tattooed on his chest - and I'm still trying
to figure out whether it was permanent or something just for the show.

The post-911 anti-terrorist theme turns up in some of the set-piece dance
scenes. Most memorably in a semi-naked Abu Graib sequence which features a
pyramid of tortured inmates with bags over their heads. While now is a good
moment to be making a reference to the anti-Vietnam sentiment of the
original Hair, I feel the director struggles to make a proper comparison
with today's political milieu.

No longer are we in an era during which growing one's hair long is a sign of
rebellion. UK and US citizens, especially in big cities, can today for the
most part feel free to wear their hair however they like - and they
certainly don't need to worry about being drafted for the army and having
their hair cut off. Hence in this production the song Hair (which
incidentally is one of the highlights of the Gate show) comes across not as
symbolic of non-conformism but merely as a celebration of fancy haircuts!

Much is made in the production literature of how the cast's hair has been
sponsored and styled by the Vidal Sassoon salon; clothes company Gap is
another of the sponsors. So while I sympathise with the producers' need to
finance an adventurous production, the play does seem to promote the very
corporate ideals that it seeks to criticise, while in my opinion missing
some of the more relevant themes that are so key to the original show.
Indeed not a lock of hair is ever cut from Claude's head during the
production, symbolic or otherwise.

Some of the most heavy-handed stuff comes during several music-less spoken
comedy sequences featuring caricatures of George Bush and Condoleeza Rice in
a gameshow environment. These are the worst scenes and, though a few cheap
laughs are raised, they seemed to drag by comparison to the song and dance
sections.

So is there nothing good about the Gate production? Quite the opposite.
There's plenty to rave about - most obviously the fantastic cast, which
deserves every plaudit going for their exuberance and skill. It really was a
joy to see these kids in action and clearly they were having a lot of fun,
improvising, interacting and messing around during the performance much as
I'd expect any good Tribe to! So alive was the show that I got the
impression it would have carried on even if there was no audience in the
room to enjoy it. They just seemed to love what they were doing.

The naked scenes - of which there were a lot - were fun rather than smutty,
though I got the sense that the director felt he really had to push the boat
out to compete with outlets like MTV which thrust sexuality into the
airwaves day in, day out. (The "White Boys / Black Boys" sequence made
strong references to MTV and stars like Christina Aguilera, with added S&M
outfits for the boys.) Things did occasionally veer towards silly, though,
and I am still bemused by the climax of "I Got Life" in which Claude
smothers himself in ketchup from a squeezy bottle!

As most members of the cast get the chance to have a solo sing of their own,
I was continually surprised that nearly every single member of the cast was
a superbly strong singer. Most sang without that Broadway blandness that one
expects from a traditional musical - indeed the only singers I didn't
appreciate were those employing a flat Broadway delivery or alternatively an
over-egged pop soul vocal style.

Save for Claude's, the American accents were really impressive. I've seen a
lot of London shows in which the cast's US accents are questionable, but
there was a neat range of different regions represented and in quite a
convincing fashion considering these are for the most part all young English
actors. Until I discovered that the director is American I was wondering how
the show managed to get so many obscure US cultural references right. Of
course I'm not saying that it would fool all American theatregoers, just
that the Americanisms were much better than one would expect in London.

In terms of the songs, I think they stuck quite closely to the original
musical rather than making the cuts of the movie. The big "hit" songs,
particularly those used in the film, come across extremely well - while some
of the other songs such as "Going Down" and "Frank Mills" are a bit weak.

The band was great; most of the arrangements were interesting and
contemporary, though with a few detours into theatrical pop cheese that I
could have done without. Best of all for me was the fact that only a few
members of the cast were ever mic'ed up at one time, using handheld radio
microphones - the rest were unamplified. So there was this gorgeous effect
in the small space of hearing 20 people singing at the top of their voices,
in harmony, with a few soloists amplified over the top. Occasionally the
sound engineer would mix the entire band down, or the band would drop out
altogether, so that the chorus could be heard singing a capella. Extremely
powerful, life-affirming stuff.

In retrospect, I'm fighting to some degree against my love of the show as a
whole and the movie in particular. But I think that classics like Hair (yes,
Hair has acquired that status, and the sold-out nature of the Gate run
confirms that) should be open to re-interpretation and I applaud the Gate
for giving it a go. My reservations are due to the fact that I don't think
some of the interpretations make a lot of sense; some are inconsistent, some
are irrelevant, some are just too obvious for their own good.

Particularly confusing is Claude's death scene: he has joined the army, been
forced to torture an alleged terrorist inmate (or was that a dream
sequence?) and finally commits suicide. Apparently the pressure of being a
middle class white university student in today's globalised post-911 world
becomes too much for Claude, and he sticks a gun in his mouth. To me it came
across as slightly daft rather than having the emotional weight I expected.

But when the cast ended on "Let The Sun Shine In", vocal lines interweaving
in a capella, it was impossible not to be swept up - I even noticed several
audience members crying. The sheer passion of the Gate team is not in
question and I would recommend the show for that reason alone. The music and
cast are gutsy and I really hope they get a chance to take the songs of Hair
to a wider London audience, hopefully with a tour or a West End run.













From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 19 09:34:49 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Wed Oct 19 09:42:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: "My Life is my Sundance"
In-Reply-To: <001101c5d2a9$d97d4a20$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <BAY109-F11A4F3AA13338BCE8D1349AD700@phx.gbl>

Hey Leo and Barbara,

I have the INCIDENT AT OGLALA in my hand right now.  i'm going to watch it 
tonight.
He won't be forgotten.

Love,
Katie



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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Oct 19 09:56:53 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Oct 19 10:05:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] London Gate Theatre adaptation of Hair (SPOILERS!)
In-Reply-To: <BF7BB4ED.1F4DC%toby@MusicAlly.com>
Message-ID: <BF7BF315.24C35%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Toby?
Thanks so much for sending us such a detailed and level critique of Gate's
HAIR.
Michael

> Hello from London, England.
> 
> Newbie alert: I recently joined the list. Having spent a bit of time reading
> through the past couple of months' messages, I thought I'd share my thoughts
> on the new adaptation of Hair which is showing in London. So if you're
> planning to go and don't want to see any SPOILERS, don't read ahead!
> 
> First a bit of background on my experience of Hair. I discovered the show
> during the early 90s (my early teens) when it was staged by the Old Vic
> theatre in London. That show was fairly dire in retrospect, not coming at a
> particularly politically apposite time and coming a decade before the Old
> Vic was re-born with Kevin Spacey in the artistic hot-seat. Still, I
> listened to the soundtrack album from the Old Vic show repeatedly, then a
> few years later obtained a video of the movie, in which I immersed myself.
> 
> (I appreciate from reading the archive that some of you do not like the
> film. Personally, though I agree it has its problems, particularly towards
> the beginning, I think Foreman's version is superb adaptation that adds the
> kind of characterisation, plot and empathy which is pre-requisite in a movie
> more than in a a stage play.)
> 
> Since the advent of internet music I've been able to listen to at least one
> other Hair soundtrack, maybe more. I also narrowly missed seeing a staging
> of Hair in Los Angeles about six years ago. So you can imagine my excitement
> when I heard a version of Hair was being staged in London. However, upon
> telephoning, I was told that the entire run was sold out. That was several
> weeks ago; this weekend I received an e-mail informing me that some returns
> had become available... and I bought two for Saturday's matin?e.
> 
> The Gate is a very small studio style theatre above a pub in the fashionable
> / vaguely artsy (but mostly now just wealthy) area of Notting Hill. It is an
> odd theatre in that it is long and shallow, with the audience sitting just
> two rows deep across the theatre's long side. I'd estimate the theatre fits
> about 80 guests; I paid ?20 each for my tickets. Not much by West End
> musical standards, but quite a lot by repertory theatre standards.
> 
> All things considered, I really enjoyed the show. More so than a lot of
> London theatre - of which I see quite a bit. Certainly it was far more
> exciting and nerve-tingling than the much-feted Guys and Dolls, which seemed
> flat and even backwards by comparison. However, the Gate production is in
> many regards monumentally flawed. As much as I whooped for joy at the
> powerful, successful segments, I cringed with embarrassment at the banal,
> heavy-handed sections.
> 
> First impression was one of bafflement. One of the initial sounds one hears
> is a radio being tuned, with strains of Britney Spears emerging through the
> ether. As the cast enter, one tribe member is wearing an iPod with those
> signature white earbuds. Aha. This is Hair set in the present day. Or
> rather, some undefined post-911, post 7/7 Iraq era with a massive dose of
> Naomi Klein 1990s anti-corporate, anti-globalisation politics thrown in.
> (The stage curtain carries a massive Coca-Cola inspired logo.)
> 
> The opening scene is a mime sequence in which Claude and Berger travel by
> New York metro, one narrowly avoiding a suspected terrorist bomb, before
> introducing themselves to the audience.
> 
> The Tribe arrives looking like something out of Fame or Flashdance: some
> wearing rainbow-striped skateboard kneepads, many with shocking pink
> facepaint on and all (except Claude) with the asymmetrical, semi-shaved
> haircuts usually sported by the denizens of London's trendy Hoxton district.
> For a crowd supposedly plucked from the present day they look utterly 80s,
> an area of real incongruence. (The references to condoms and HIV which
> appear towards the beginning of the show also come across as somehow
> out-dated, bringing to mind the health campaigns of the 80s rather than the
> rather more lax attitude to safe sex that many 21st century young people
> seem to have.)
> 
> In the opening dance scene the Tribe is surrounded by an establishment of
> zombie citizens, symbolised by cast members wearing black priest or judge's
> robes. Each zombie carries in its mouth a different icon 20th century
> consumerism - from Snickers bar wrappers to the Atkins Diet book to a
> cellphone. Hence the theme of commercialism, which is only mildly alluded to
> in the original, is made very explicit. Meanwhile the terrorism theme
> returns time and time again; and sometimes the lyrics are changed to match -
> for example "256 terrorists captured" instead of "Viet Cong captured". The
> big be-in scene is set at one of the post-911 candle-lit vigils, with lyrics
> changed to "Love, peace, candles, happiness."
> 
> Why are the Tribe together? In this version, all of them are students at
> NYU. The characterisations themselves have been re-imagined. Claude is
> reticent and manic depressive, though it's never entirely clear why he would
> want to join the US Army. Supposedly he wants to go in order to get his
> education paid for. There's an odd tangent in which Claude ends up spaced
> out on Prozac (something which I believe, medically speaking, is not
> entirely possible.)
> 
> Hud is now a woman - with a spectacular voice and buckets of personality.
> Woof is now 100% gay, in fact the gayest gay one is ever likely to see on
> stage... a very fun, camp performance complete with a trademark canine growl
> and clawing hand-gestures. But perhaps a little too stereotyped for my
> likeing. Woof has "H.I.V.I.P" tattooed on his chest - and I'm still trying
> to figure out whether it was permanent or something just for the show.
> 
> The post-911 anti-terrorist theme turns up in some of the set-piece dance
> scenes. Most memorably in a semi-naked Abu Graib sequence which features a
> pyramid of tortured inmates with bags over their heads. While now is a good
> moment to be making a reference to the anti-Vietnam sentiment of the
> original Hair, I feel the director struggles to make a proper comparison
> with today's political milieu.
> 
> No longer are we in an era during which growing one's hair long is a sign of
> rebellion. UK and US citizens, especially in big cities, can today for the
> most part feel free to wear their hair however they like - and they
> certainly don't need to worry about being drafted for the army and having
> their hair cut off. Hence in this production the song Hair (which
> incidentally is one of the highlights of the Gate show) comes across not as
> symbolic of non-conformism but merely as a celebration of fancy haircuts!
> 
> Much is made in the production literature of how the cast's hair has been
> sponsored and styled by the Vidal Sassoon salon; clothes company Gap is
> another of the sponsors. So while I sympathise with the producers' need to
> finance an adventurous production, the play does seem to promote the very
> corporate ideals that it seeks to criticise, while in my opinion missing
> some of the more relevant themes that are so key to the original show.
> Indeed not a lock of hair is ever cut from Claude's head during the
> production, symbolic or otherwise.
> 
> Some of the most heavy-handed stuff comes during several music-less spoken
> comedy sequences featuring caricatures of George Bush and Condoleeza Rice in
> a gameshow environment. These are the worst scenes and, though a few cheap
> laughs are raised, they seemed to drag by comparison to the song and dance
> sections.
> 
> So is there nothing good about the Gate production? Quite the opposite.
> There's plenty to rave about - most obviously the fantastic cast, which
> deserves every plaudit going for their exuberance and skill. It really was a
> joy to see these kids in action and clearly they were having a lot of fun,
> improvising, interacting and messing around during the performance much as
> I'd expect any good Tribe to! So alive was the show that I got the
> impression it would have carried on even if there was no audience in the
> room to enjoy it. They just seemed to love what they were doing.
> 
> The naked scenes - of which there were a lot - were fun rather than smutty,
> though I got the sense that the director felt he really had to push the boat
> out to compete with outlets like MTV which thrust sexuality into the
> airwaves day in, day out. (The "White Boys / Black Boys" sequence made
> strong references to MTV and stars like Christina Aguilera, with added S&M
> outfits for the boys.) Things did occasionally veer towards silly, though,
> and I am still bemused by the climax of "I Got Life" in which Claude
> smothers himself in ketchup from a squeezy bottle!
> 
> As most members of the cast get the chance to have a solo sing of their own,
> I was continually surprised that nearly every single member of the cast was
> a superbly strong singer. Most sang without that Broadway blandness that one
> expects from a traditional musical - indeed the only singers I didn't
> appreciate were those employing a flat Broadway delivery or alternatively an
> over-egged pop soul vocal style.
> 
> Save for Claude's, the American accents were really impressive. I've seen a
> lot of London shows in which the cast's US accents are questionable, but
> there was a neat range of different regions represented and in quite a
> convincing fashion considering these are for the most part all young English
> actors. Until I discovered that the director is American I was wondering how
> the show managed to get so many obscure US cultural references right. Of
> course I'm not saying that it would fool all American theatregoers, just
> that the Americanisms were much better than one would expect in London.
> 
> In terms of the songs, I think they stuck quite closely to the original
> musical rather than making the cuts of the movie. The big "hit" songs,
> particularly those used in the film, come across extremely well - while some
> of the other songs such as "Going Down" and "Frank Mills" are a bit weak.
> 
> The band was great; most of the arrangements were interesting and
> contemporary, though with a few detours into theatrical pop cheese that I
> could have done without. Best of all for me was the fact that only a few
> members of the cast were ever mic'ed up at one time, using handheld radio
> microphones - the rest were unamplified. So there was this gorgeous effect
> in the small space of hearing 20 people singing at the top of their voices,
> in harmony, with a few soloists amplified over the top. Occasionally the
> sound engineer would mix the entire band down, or the band would drop out
> altogether, so that the chorus could be heard singing a capella. Extremely
> powerful, life-affirming stuff.
> 
> In retrospect, I'm fighting to some degree against my love of the show as a
> whole and the movie in particular. But I think that classics like Hair (yes,
> Hair has acquired that status, and the sold-out nature of the Gate run
> confirms that) should be open to re-interpretation and I applaud the Gate
> for giving it a go. My reservations are due to the fact that I don't think
> some of the interpretations make a lot of sense; some are inconsistent, some
> are irrelevant, some are just too obvious for their own good.
> 
> Particularly confusing is Claude's death scene: he has joined the army, been
> forced to torture an alleged terrorist inmate (or was that a dream
> sequence?) and finally commits suicide. Apparently the pressure of being a
> middle class white university student in today's globalised post-911 world
> becomes too much for Claude, and he sticks a gun in his mouth. To me it came
> across as slightly daft rather than having the emotional weight I expected.
> 
> But when the cast ended on "Let The Sun Shine In", vocal lines interweaving
> in a capella, it was impossible not to be swept up - I even noticed several
> audience members crying. The sheer passion of the Gate team is not in
> question and I would recommend the show for that reason alone. The music and
> cast are gutsy and I really hope they get a chance to take the songs of Hair
> to a wider London audience, hopefully with a tour or a West End run.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dauber at banana-and-louie.org  Wed Oct 19 10:15:15 2005
From: dauber at banana-and-louie.org (Sean Courtney)
Date: Wed Oct 19 10:22:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] London Gate Theatre adaptation of Hair (SPOILERS!)
In-Reply-To: <BF7BF315.24C35%michael@michaelbutler.com>
References: <BF7BF315.24C35%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20051019101515.p1s9za9vtds0w0wg@208.179.130.20>

First of all, welcome to the list, Toby!

Quoting Toby:

>> Hud is now a woman - with a spectacular voice and buckets of personality.

I think the only requisite for Hud is that Hud be black -- I know that
UNC-Chapel Hill had a female Hud in 1996, mainly I think due to a shortage of
male black actors.

>> Some of the most heavy-handed stuff comes during several music-less spoken
>> comedy sequences featuring caricatures of George Bush and Condoleeza Rice in
>> a gameshow environment. These are the worst scenes and, though a few cheap
>> laughs are raised, they seemed to drag by comparison to the song and dance
>> sections.

Hmmm...sounds like something stolen from Jay Leno!

>> In retrospect, I'm fighting to some degree against my love of the show as a
>> whole and the movie in particular. But I think that classics like Hair (yes,
>> Hair has acquired that status, and the sold-out nature of the Gate run
>> confirms that) should be open to re-interpretation and I applaud the Gate
>> for giving it a go. My reservations are due to the fact that I don't think
>> some of the interpretations make a lot of sense; some are inconsistent, some
>> are irrelevant, some are just too obvious for their own good.

You know...I cringed when I read other reviews of that production, but the way
you describe it, it sounds like the rewrites and updates were EXTREMELY
well-done with lots of thought, kind of like what it might be had Jim 
and Gerry
written it today. However, if I go to a Hair production, I expect it to be the
one we all know and love. I'd be disappointed if I were surprised with an
updated version. BUT -- if I knew in advance it were updated, I'd be
interested.

-- 
dauber@banana-and-louie.org
AIM: ddaauubbeerr
blog: http://scattered-frog.blogspot.com
From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Oct 19 10:26:52 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Oct 19 10:34:24 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] London Gate Theatre adaptation of Hair (SPOILERS!)
References: <BF7BF315.24C35%michael@michaelbutler.com>
	<20051019101515.p1s9za9vtds0w0wg@208.179.130.20>
Message-ID: <010f01c5d4d2$4de01940$f1476c42@hotprojects>

the trick in adapting
is when you have something like hair of the finest quality
the adaptation must be of the finest quality too
if not the disparity sinks the attempt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Courtney" <dauber@banana-and-louie.org>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] London Gate Theatre adaptation of Hair (SPOILERS!)


> First of all, welcome to the list, Toby!
>
> Quoting Toby:
>
> >> Hud is now a woman - with a spectacular voice and buckets of
personality.
>
> I think the only requisite for Hud is that Hud be black -- I know that
> UNC-Chapel Hill had a female Hud in 1996, mainly I think due to a shortage
of
> male black actors.
>
> >> Some of the most heavy-handed stuff comes during several music-less
spoken
> >> comedy sequences featuring caricatures of George Bush and Condoleeza
Rice in
> >> a gameshow environment. These are the worst scenes and, though a few
cheap
> >> laughs are raised, they seemed to drag by comparison to the song and
dance
> >> sections.
>
> Hmmm...sounds like something stolen from Jay Leno!
>
> >> In retrospect, I'm fighting to some degree against my love of the show
as a
> >> whole and the movie in particular. But I think that classics like Hair
(yes,
> >> Hair has acquired that status, and the sold-out nature of the Gate run
> >> confirms that) should be open to re-interpretation and I applaud the
Gate
> >> for giving it a go. My reservations are due to the fact that I don't
think
> >> some of the interpretations make a lot of sense; some are inconsistent,
some
> >> are irrelevant, some are just too obvious for their own good.
>
> You know...I cringed when I read other reviews of that production, but the
way
> you describe it, it sounds like the rewrites and updates were EXTREMELY
> well-done with lots of thought, kind of like what it might be had Jim
> and Gerry
> written it today. However, if I go to a Hair production, I expect it to be
the
> one we all know and love. I'd be disappointed if I were surprised with an
> updated version. BUT -- if I knew in advance it were updated, I'd be
> interested.
>
> -- 
> dauber@banana-and-louie.org
> AIM: ddaauubbeerr
> blog: http://scattered-frog.blogspot.com
> _______________________________________________
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> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Wed Oct 19 10:29:27 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Wed Oct 19 10:36:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] London Gate Theatre adaptation of Hair (SPOILERS!)
References: <BF7BF315.24C35%michael@michaelbutler.com>
	<20051019101515.p1s9za9vtds0w0wg@208.179.130.20>
	<010f01c5d4d2$4de01940$f1476c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <011f01c5d4d2$a80e3050$f1476c42@hotprojects>

but i applaud the gate with both hands and feet for the attempt
as i have said repeatedly for myself as an auteur
should i be fortunate to direct a second production of HAIR
i would definitely elect to update
my production would take place now
no question
or actually perhaps the near future
?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] London Gate Theatre adaptation of Hair (SPOILERS!)


> the trick in adapting
> is when you have something like hair of the finest quality
> the adaptation must be of the finest quality too
> if not the disparity sinks the attempt
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sean Courtney" <dauber@banana-and-louie.org>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 1:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] London Gate Theatre adaptation of Hair (SPOILERS!)
>
>
> > First of all, welcome to the list, Toby!
> >
> > Quoting Toby:
> >
> > >> Hud is now a woman - with a spectacular voice and buckets of
> personality.
> >
> > I think the only requisite for Hud is that Hud be black -- I know that
> > UNC-Chapel Hill had a female Hud in 1996, mainly I think due to a
shortage
> of
> > male black actors.
> >
> > >> Some of the most heavy-handed stuff comes during several music-less
> spoken
> > >> comedy sequences featuring caricatures of George Bush and Condoleeza
> Rice in
> > >> a gameshow environment. These are the worst scenes and, though a few
> cheap
> > >> laughs are raised, they seemed to drag by comparison to the song and
> dance
> > >> sections.
> >
> > Hmmm...sounds like something stolen from Jay Leno!
> >
> > >> In retrospect, I'm fighting to some degree against my love of the
show
> as a
> > >> whole and the movie in particular. But I think that classics like
Hair
> (yes,
> > >> Hair has acquired that status, and the sold-out nature of the Gate
run
> > >> confirms that) should be open to re-interpretation and I applaud the
> Gate
> > >> for giving it a go. My reservations are due to the fact that I don't
> think
> > >> some of the interpretations make a lot of sense; some are
inconsistent,
> some
> > >> are irrelevant, some are just too obvious for their own good.
> >
> > You know...I cringed when I read other reviews of that production, but
the
> way
> > you describe it, it sounds like the rewrites and updates were EXTREMELY
> > well-done with lots of thought, kind of like what it might be had Jim
> > and Gerry
> > written it today. However, if I go to a Hair production, I expect it to
be
> the
> > one we all know and love. I'd be disappointed if I were surprised with
an
> > updated version. BUT -- if I knew in advance it were updated, I'd be
> > interested.
> >
> > -- 
> > dauber@banana-and-louie.org
> > AIM: ddaauubbeerr
> > blog: http://scattered-frog.blogspot.com
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From michael at intrafi.com  Wed Oct 19 11:38:19 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Wed Oct 19 11:46:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Wrong objections
Message-ID: <29231468.1129747099592.JavaMail.turbine@s74>

This story was sent to you by: michael butler

--------------------
Wrong objections 
--------------------

Robert Scheer

October 11 2005

KNOW THEM by their enemies. The more I read of the vituperative right-wing attacks on Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers, the more sympathetic I become. Anyone who has incurred the wrath of Trent Lott, Gary Bauer and George Will can't be all bad. If Robert Bork thinks she's a "disaster," maybe there is a positive side to this nominee that I have missed. 

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-scheer11oct11,0,5969572.column?coll=la-util-op-ed 

Visit latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com
From michael at intrafi.com  Wed Oct 19 11:38:51 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Wed Oct 19 11:46:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] A crusade in support of a flawed crusader
Message-ID: <23859071.1129747131271.JavaMail.turbine@s74>

This story was sent to you by: michael butler

--------------------
A crusade in support of a flawed crusader 
--------------------

The New York Times used its resources to back reporter Judith Miller, tarnishing itself in a case that wasn't about the 1st Amendment.

Robert Scheer

October 18 2005

MEDIA corporations are arguably the most important yet least examined centers of power in our society. The owners of the Fourth Estate have a unique ability to direct the searchlight of inquiry upon others while remaining powerfully positioned to deflect it from themselves. 

The complete article can be viewed at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-scheer18oct18,1,6304213.column?coll=la-news-columns 

Visit latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com
From IHHS at aol.com  Wed Oct 19 10:22:09 2005
From: IHHS at aol.com (IHHS@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct 19 13:38:11 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The Philosophy of Charles Schultz
Message-ID: <E1ESJ1s-0004qb-H2@smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

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From grgolsorkhi at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 19 12:51:40 2005
From: grgolsorkhi at earthlink.net (Golsorkhi)
Date: Wed Oct 19 14:53:21 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: read this.. very important
In-Reply-To: <BF7BFC70.8D6D%kzii@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <E1ESLkp-0008MZ-Ls@smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net>


------ Forwarded Message
From: Kay Zafar <kzii@swbell.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:36:48 -0500
To: G-1 <kzii@swbell.net>
Subject: FW: read this.. very important

>> ----Original Message-----
>> From: Philip Klein [mailto:pklein@rcn.com]
>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:21 AM
>> To: 'Philip Klein'
>> Subject: It's like Chicken Soup, it can't hurt!
>> 
>> This is what The Dalai Lama has to say for 2005. All it takes is a few
>> seconds to read and think over. Do not keep this message. The mantra must
>> leave your hands within 96 hours. You will get a very pleasant surprise.
>> This is true for all  even if you are not superstitious or of whatever
>> religious belief or faith.
>>  
>> Instructions for Life
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 1. Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great
>> risk.
>> 2. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
>> 3. Follow the three Rs: Respect for self, Respect for others and
>> Responsibility for all your actions.
>> 4. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke
>> of luck.
>> 5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.
>> 6. Don't let a little dispute injure a great relationship.
>> 7. When you realize you've made a mistake take immediate steps to correct
>> it..
>> 8. Spend some time alone every day.
>> 9. Open arms to change, but don't let go of your values.
>> 10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.
>> 11. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back,
>> you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.
>> 12. A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life.
>> 13. In disagreements with loved ones, deal only with the current situation.
>> Don't bring up the past.
>> 14. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality.
>> 15. Be gentle with the earth.
>> 16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before.
>> 17. Remember that the best relationship is one in which your love for each
>> other exceeds your need for each other.
>> 18. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it.
>> 19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.
>>  
>> FORWARD THIS MANTRA E-MAIL TO AT LEAST 5 PEOPLE AND YOUR LIFE WILL IMPROVE.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 0-4 people: Your life will improve slightly.
>> 5-9 people: Your life will improve to your liking.
>> 9-14 people: You will have at least 5 surprises in the next 3 weeks.
>> 15 people & over: Your life will improve drastically and everything you
>> ever dreamed of will begin to take shape.
>>  
>> Do not keep this message. The mantra must leave your hand within 96 hours.
>>  
>>  
>> Philip E. Klein, Esq.
>> Klein & Liss, LLP
>> Attorneys at Law
>> 470 Park Avenue South
>> 12th Floor South
>> New York, N.Y. 10016
>>  
>> Tel.  (212) 683-7300
>> Fax. (212) 683-7737
>>   
>> IMPORTANT: THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL TO
>> WHOM OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED, AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS
>> PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW.  IF
>> THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR
>> AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THE MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU
>> ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS
>> COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.  IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS
>> COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY E-MAIL OR TELEPHONE.
>> WE APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION.
>>  
>> 
>> 
> 


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From djbrook at hevanet.com  Wed Oct 19 12:14:46 2005
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Wed Oct 19 15:22:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: read this.. very important
References: <E1ESLkp-0008MZ-Ls@smtpauth05.mail.atl.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001801c5d4e1$650d0790$6b00a8c0@djb>

FW: read this.. very importantThese are certainly worthy maxims, but they don't come from the Dalai Lama (who I seriously doubt would be into sending chain email).  See http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/dalai.asp and http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/dali.htm  This is one that's been circulating in some form on the internet since 1999 or so.

Debunker-in-Residence,
Doris

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Golsorkhi 
  To: Michael Butler 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:51 PM
  Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: read this.. very important



  ------ Forwarded Message
  From: Kay Zafar <kzii@swbell.net>
  Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:36:48 -0500
  To: G-1 <kzii@swbell.net>
  Subject: FW: read this.. very important


      ----Original Message-----
      From: Philip Klein [mailto:pklein@rcn.com]
      Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:21 AM
      To: 'Philip Klein'
      Subject: It's like Chicken Soup, it can't hurt!

      This is what The Dalai Lama has to say for 2005. All it takes is a few
      seconds to read and think over. Do not keep this message. The mantra must
      leave your hands within 96 hours. You will get a very pleasant surprise.
      This is true for all  even if you are not superstitious or of whatever
      religious belief or faith.
       
      Instructions for Life
       
       
       
      1. Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great
      risk.
      2. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
      3. Follow the three Rs: Respect for self, Respect for others and
      Responsibility for all your actions.
      4. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke
      of luck.
      5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.
      6. Don't let a little dispute injure a great relationship.
      7. When you realize you've made a mistake take immediate steps to correct
      it..
      8. Spend some time alone every day.
      9. Open arms to change, but don't let go of your values.
      10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.
      11. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back,
      you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.
      12. A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life.
      13. In disagreements with loved ones, deal only with the current situation.
      Don't bring up the past.
      14. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality.
      15. Be gentle with the earth.
      16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before.
      17. Remember that the best relationship is one in which your love for each
      other exceeds your need for each other.
      18. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it.
      19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.
       
      FORWARD THIS MANTRA E-MAIL TO AT LEAST 5 PEOPLE AND YOUR LIFE WILL IMPROVE.
       
       
       
      0-4 people: Your life will improve slightly.
      5-9 people: Your life will improve to your liking.
      9-14 people: You will have at least 5 surprises in the next 3 weeks.
      15 people & over: Your life will improve drastically and everything you
      ever dreamed of will begin to take shape.
       
      Do not keep this message. The mantra must leave your hand within 96 hours.
       

      Philip E. Klein, Esq.
      Klein & Liss, LLP
      Attorneys at Law 
      470 Park Avenue South
      12th Floor South
      New York, N.Y. 10016

      Tel.  (212) 683-7300
      Fax. (212) 683-7737
        
      IMPORTANT: THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL TO WHOM OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED, AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW.  IF THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THE MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.  IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY E-MAIL OR TELEPHONE.  WE APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION.








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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Oct 19 16:00:37 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Oct 19 16:09:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: read this.. very important
In-Reply-To: <001801c5d4e1$650d0790$6b00a8c0@djb>
Message-ID: <BF7C4855.24C93%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks
Seen before, I forwarded it because I sure the Dalai Lama would approve of
these and would not be offended for the credit and repeated readings.
In fact I have copied the for my desktop.
Michael

> FW: read this.. very importantThese are certainly worthy maxims, but they
> don't come from the Dalai Lama (who I seriously doubt would be into sending
> chain email).  See http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/dalai.asp and
> http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/dali.htm  This is one that's been
> circulating in some form on the internet since 1999 or so.
> 
> Debunker-in-Residence,
> Doris
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Golsorkhi 
> To: Michael Butler
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 3:51 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: read this.. very important
> 
> 
> 
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: Kay Zafar <kzii@swbell.net>
> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:36:48 -0500
> To: G-1 <kzii@swbell.net>
> Subject: FW: read this.. very important
> 
> 
>     ----Original Message-----
>     From: Philip Klein [mailto:pklein@rcn.com]
>     Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 11:21 AM
>     To: 'Philip Klein'
>     Subject: It's like Chicken Soup, it can't hurt!
> 
>     This is what The Dalai Lama has to say for 2005. All it takes is a few
>     seconds to read and think over. Do not keep this message. The mantra must
>     leave your hands within 96 hours. You will get a very pleasant surprise.
>     This is true for all  even if you are not superstitious or of whatever
>     religious belief or faith.
>      
>     Instructions for Life
>      
>      
>      
>     1. Take into account that great love and great achievements involve great
>     risk.
>     2. When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
>     3. Follow the three Rs: Respect for self, Respect for others and
>     Responsibility for all your actions.
>     4. Remember that not getting what you want is sometimes a wonderful stroke
>     of luck.
>     5. Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly.
>     6. Don't let a little dispute injure a great relationship.
>     7. When you realize you've made a mistake take immediate steps to correct
>     it..
>     8. Spend some time alone every day.
>     9. Open arms to change, but don't let go of your values.
>     10. Remember that silence is sometimes the best answer.
>     11. Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back,
>     you'll be able to enjoy it a second time.
>     12. A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life.
>     13. In disagreements with loved ones, deal only with the current
> situation.
>     Don't bring up the past.
>     14. Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality.
>     15. Be gentle with the earth.
>     16. Once a year, go someplace you've never been before.
>     17. Remember that the best relationship is one in which your love for each
>     other exceeds your need for each other.
>     18. Judge your success by what you had to give up in order to get it.
>     19. Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.
>      
>     FORWARD THIS MANTRA E-MAIL TO AT LEAST 5 PEOPLE AND YOUR LIFE WILL
> IMPROVE.
>      
>      
>      
>     0-4 people: Your life will improve slightly.
>     5-9 people: Your life will improve to your liking.
>     9-14 people: You will have at least 5 surprises in the next 3 weeks.
>     15 people & over: Your life will improve drastically and everything you
>     ever dreamed of will begin to take shape.
>      
>     Do not keep this message. The mantra must leave your hand within 96 hours.
>      
> 
>     Philip E. Klein, Esq.
>     Klein & Liss, LLP
>     Attorneys at Law
>     470 Park Avenue South
>     12th Floor South
>     New York, N.Y. 10016
> 
>     Tel.  (212) 683-7300
>     Fax. (212) 683-7737
>       
>     IMPORTANT: THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE USE OF THE INDIVIDUAL TO
> WHOM OR ENTITY TO WHICH IT IS ADDRESSED, AND MAY CONTAIN INFORMATION THAT IS
> PRIVILEGED, CONFIDENTIAL AND EXEMPT FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER APPLICABLE LAW.  IF
> THE READER OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, OR THE EMPLOYEE OR
> AGENT RESPONSIBLE FOR DELIVERING THE MESSAGE TO THE INTENDED RECIPIENT, YOU
> ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED THAT ANY DISSEMINATION, DISTRIBUTION OR COPYING OF THIS
> COMMUNICATION IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED.  IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS COMMUNICATION
> IN ERROR, PLEASE NOTIFY US IMMEDIATELY BY E-MAIL OR TELEPHONE.  WE APPRECIATE
> YOUR COOPERATION.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From djbrook at hevanet.com  Wed Oct 19 15:20:53 2005
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Wed Oct 19 18:28:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: read this.. very important
References: <BF7C4855.24C93%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c5d4fb$63c06480$6b00a8c0@djb>

Yes, Michael, I agree that the sayings are good ones; I just didn't want
anyone to think they'd have bad luck if they didn't forward it to umpteen
people.  It's actually not a bad thing to send around if the "chain letter"
aspect were edited out and the attribution corrected.
-Doris

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] FW: read this.. very important


> Thanks
> Seen before, I forwarded it because I sure the Dalai Lama would approve of
> these and would not be offended for the credit and repeated readings.
> In fact I have copied the for my desktop.
> Michael
>
> > FW: read this.. very importantThese are certainly worthy maxims, but
they
> > don't come from the Dalai Lama (who I seriously doubt would be into
sending
> > chain email).  See http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/hoaxes/dalai.asp and
> > http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/d/dali.htm  This is one that's been
> > circulating in some form on the internet since 1999 or so.
> >
> > Debunker-in-Residence,
> > Doris
> >


From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Oct 19 18:23:22 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Oct 19 18:31:56 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Matt Vesic sent this
Message-ID: <BF7C69CA.24CAC%michael@michaelbutler.com>

> You must do this. I promise you will be amused...XOZ
> 
> 1) Go to www.google.com.
> 2) Type in the word "failure" without the quotes.
> 3) Press the "I'm feeling lucky" button (instead of "search")
> 4) Laugh.
> 5) Pass it on ..
> Hurry... before the good folks at google "fix" this !
> 

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Wed Oct 19 18:28:25 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Wed Oct 19 18:36:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Jorie sent this -Great!
Message-ID: <BF7C6AF9.24CB0%michael@michaelbutler.com>

  Scientists Discover New Element
  
     A major research institution has just announced the discovery of the
heaviest element yet known to science.  The new element has been named
"Governmentium".  Governmentium has one neutron, 12 assistant neutrons, 75
deputy neutrons, and 224 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass
of 311.
  
     The 311 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are
surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.  Since
Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert.  However, it can be detected,
as it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact.  A minute
amount of Governmentium causes a reaction to take over 4 days to complete,
when it would normally take less than a second.
  
     Governmentium has a normal half-life of 4 years; it does not decay,
but, instead undergoes a re-organization in which a portion of the assistant
neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.
  
     In fact Governmentium mass will actually increase over time, since each
reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.
This characteristic of the moron promotion leads scientists to believe
Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in
concentration.  This hypothetical quantity is referred to as "Critical
Morass".  When catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium,
an element which radiates just as much energy, since it has half as many
peons but twice as many morons. 

From jameshburns at webtv.net  Wed Oct 19 19:10:20 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Wed Oct 19 19:17:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] London, and Stuff
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Wed, 19 Oct 2005
	12:00:16 -0700
Message-ID: <4848-4356FC8C-901@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>


Remember, one of the key problems with trying to update the anti-war
stuff from HAIR to the anti-war stuff from today--

Vietnam was a completely failed policy.

Today, and many of you here I'm sure will disagree with me, a military
response HAS been mandated.

But with 9-11 handing the Bush administration a historic opportunity to
confront Muslim fascism--

Which is what fundamentalist Islam is--

With the WORLD behind an American answer to radical tyranny--

Bush and his horde decided to fight the wrong war, badly.

I COULDN'T march with the anti-war protesters in March of 2003.

Sometime, when ALL ELSE has failed, as Thomas Jefferson once noted, a
military inititiave is mandated, and warranted.


But by 1968, Vietnam was a complete debacle.


Today, we should still be taking out terrorist bases throughout the Arab
world.

And we're not.

And using our influence to stop the Saudis from funding the Madras
schools which teach children hatred of the West, and all forigners, as
part of the schools' daily curriculum.

But we're not.
 
So, as keeps perplexing people up and down the line, it's really
imposible to compare today's perilous policy makers, with the dire days
of Tet.

Jim Burns

From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 19 20:20:19 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Wed Oct 19 20:27:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] what about mandatory forgiveness, or peace?
In-Reply-To: <4848-4356FC8C-901@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-F23F8EF19328095F9D0DBDAD730@phx.gbl>

Dear Jim,

i don't think war can ever be "mandated"...but unfortunately I don't have a 
solution that would work within our Western school of thought.

is it optimism, complacency, naivete, or arrogance that keeps humans from 
'preventative medicine'?

mein kampf, PNAC, the treaty of Versailles... did anyone read those?

I desperately wish we could stop the vitriol espoused in the current 
Madrasas...I also wish we had not supported those same "fundamentalists" 
when Afghanistan was fighting the Russians.
I wish there was no "School of the Americas"  ...
there is a lot I wish.

When I went to Saigon and saw a picture of a G.I. holding the heads of two 
Vietnamese, with his foot on three other heads...my first thought (just for 
an instant) was, yes- fury...but then the most incredible sadness and pity 
that anything could ever happen to make a person do that to another human 
being.  That is the sickness in my heart.  not to stop war with more killing 
or "taking out" madrasas, but to start seeing brothers and sisters on our 
very small planet.

i understand your sentiment.  there is no easy answer, nor will their ever 
be one simple solution.
my heart aches for anyone affected by war, in any way.  maybe it is too 
late, maybe killing is all that's left as an option...but maybe it's not.

Peace, love and very much hope,
Katie


ALOHA NUI LOA!


From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 19 23:34:38 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Wed Oct 19 23:42:02 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Matt Vesic sent this
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Oct 20 04:50:12 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Oct 20 04:57:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] London, and Stuff
References: <4848-4356FC8C-901@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <007501c5d56c$6dc1d150$f1476c42@hotprojects>

this is vietnam all over again
i couldnt disagree more

and this is a complete debacle
our national guard in iraq
while people die in new orleans because there is not sufficent US forces to
save them
billions of dollars in this war
while black children languish in unspeakable poverty and discrimination

who is the enemy?
an afghan is an iraqui is a syrian
because this war is built on pure anti semitism
( eg arabs are semites too )
the fear of the bogey man in the minds of white america

one must realize the attrocities that the europeans
mainly the french and the british have been committing in the muslim world
for centuries

of course one does not defend terrorists
but this war is about capitalism not terrorism
about the industrial military complex making a very good buck off the heavy
industry
being generated by this war
every buckle in every backpack
?

It is not a very different thing
It is the victory of the remnants of the Nixon crew finally managing to
ressurrect Viet Nam War
and make its unholy name clean

and all these conservatives who pepper their blasphemy with the word jesus
jesus was the dove of peace
and would never never have pulled the trigger on a single arab
?

many will come in my name says the bible
applaud this profane spectacle of carnage?
what a shame jim


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:10 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] London, and Stuff


>
> Remember, one of the key problems with trying to update the anti-war
> stuff from HAIR to the anti-war stuff from today--
>
> Vietnam was a completely failed policy.
>
> Today, and many of you here I'm sure will disagree with me, a military
> response HAS been mandated.
>
> But with 9-11 handing the Bush administration a historic opportunity to
> confront Muslim fascism--
>
> Which is what fundamentalist Islam is--
>
> With the WORLD behind an American answer to radical tyranny--
>
> Bush and his horde decided to fight the wrong war, badly.
>
> I COULDN'T march with the anti-war protesters in March of 2003.
>
> Sometime, when ALL ELSE has failed, as Thomas Jefferson once noted, a
> military inititiave is mandated, and warranted.
>
>
> But by 1968, Vietnam was a complete debacle.
>
>
> Today, we should still be taking out terrorist bases throughout the Arab
> world.
>
> And we're not.
>
> And using our influence to stop the Saudis from funding the Madras
> schools which teach children hatred of the West, and all forigners, as
> part of the schools' daily curriculum.
>
> But we're not.
>
> So, as keeps perplexing people up and down the line, it's really
> imposible to compare today's perilous policy makers, with the dire days
> of Tet.
>
> Jim Burns
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Oct 20 06:08:52 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Oct 20 06:17:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] what about mandatory forgiveness, or peace?
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-F23F8EF19328095F9D0DBDAD730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BF7D0F24.24CE1%michael@michaelbutler.com>

So well said
XO Michael

> Dear Jim,
> 
> i don't think war can ever be "mandated"...but unfortunately I don't have a
> solution that would work within our Western school of thought.
> 
> is it optimism, complacency, naivete, or arrogance that keeps humans from
> 'preventative medicine'?
> 
> mein kampf, PNAC, the treaty of Versailles... did anyone read those?
> 
> I desperately wish we could stop the vitriol espoused in the current
> Madrasas...I also wish we had not supported those same "fundamentalists"
> when Afghanistan was fighting the Russians.
> I wish there was no "School of the Americas"  ...
> there is a lot I wish.
> 
> When I went to Saigon and saw a picture of a G.I. holding the heads of two
> Vietnamese, with his foot on three other heads...my first thought (just for
> an instant) was, yes- fury...but then the most incredible sadness and pity
> that anything could ever happen to make a person do that to another human
> being.  That is the sickness in my heart.  not to stop war with more killing
> or "taking out" madrasas, but to start seeing brothers and sisters on our
> very small planet.
> 
> i understand your sentiment.  there is no easy answer, nor will their ever
> be one simple solution.
> my heart aches for anyone affected by war, in any way.  maybe it is too
> late, maybe killing is all that's left as an option...but maybe it's not.
> 
> Peace, love and very much hope,
> Katie
> 
> 
> ALOHA NUI LOA!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Thu Oct 20 06:16:12 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Thu Oct 20 06:24:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] London, and Stuff
In-Reply-To: <007501c5d56c$6dc1d150$f1476c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <BF7D10DC.24CE9%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Best stuff you have ever written
Thanks
Michael

> this is vietnam all over again
> i couldnt disagree more
> 
> and this is a complete debacle
> our national guard in iraq
> while people die in new orleans because there is not sufficent US forces to
> save them
> billions of dollars in this war
> while black children languish in unspeakable poverty and discrimination
> 
> who is the enemy?
> an afghan is an iraqui is a syrian
> because this war is built on pure anti semitism
> ( eg arabs are semites too )
> the fear of the bogey man in the minds of white america
> 
> one must realize the attrocities that the europeans
> mainly the french and the british have been committing in the muslim world
> for centuries
> 
> of course one does not defend terrorists
> but this war is about capitalism not terrorism
> about the industrial military complex making a very good buck off the heavy
> industry
> being generated by this war
> every buckle in every backpack
> ?
> 
> It is not a very different thing
> It is the victory of the remnants of the Nixon crew finally managing to
> ressurrect Viet Nam War
> and make its unholy name clean
> 
> and all these conservatives who pepper their blasphemy with the word jesus
> jesus was the dove of peace
> and would never never have pulled the trigger on a single arab
> ?
> 
> many will come in my name says the bible
> applaud this profane spectacle of carnage?
> what a shame jim
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:10 PM
> Subject: [Mb-hair] London, and Stuff
> 
> 
>> 
>> Remember, one of the key problems with trying to update the anti-war
>> stuff from HAIR to the anti-war stuff from today--
>> 
>> Vietnam was a completely failed policy.
>> 
>> Today, and many of you here I'm sure will disagree with me, a military
>> response HAS been mandated.
>> 
>> But with 9-11 handing the Bush administration a historic opportunity to
>> confront Muslim fascism--
>> 
>> Which is what fundamentalist Islam is--
>> 
>> With the WORLD behind an American answer to radical tyranny--
>> 
>> Bush and his horde decided to fight the wrong war, badly.
>> 
>> I COULDN'T march with the anti-war protesters in March of 2003.
>> 
>> Sometime, when ALL ELSE has failed, as Thomas Jefferson once noted, a
>> military inititiave is mandated, and warranted.
>> 
>> 
>> But by 1968, Vietnam was a complete debacle.
>> 
>> 
>> Today, we should still be taking out terrorist bases throughout the Arab
>> world.
>> 
>> And we're not.
>> 
>> And using our influence to stop the Saudis from funding the Madras
>> schools which teach children hatred of the West, and all forigners, as
>> part of the schools' daily curriculum.
>> 
>> But we're not.
>> 
>> So, as keeps perplexing people up and down the line, it's really
>> imposible to compare today's perilous policy makers, with the dire days
>> of Tet.
>> 
>> Jim Burns
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Mb-hair mailing list
>> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
>> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Thu Oct 20 06:34:19 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Thu Oct 20 06:41:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] London, and Stuff
References: <BF7D10DC.24CE9%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <005501c5d57a$f9a1bce0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

I cant tell you what that means coming from you sir
I shall be high all day from the compliment
all love to everyone
all love to you jim
peace

richard in the project pit
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Cc: "Civic" <mb-civic@islandlists.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] London, and Stuff


> Best stuff you have ever written
> Thanks
> Michael
>
> > this is vietnam all over again
> > i couldnt disagree more
> >
> > and this is a complete debacle
> > our national guard in iraq
> > while people die in new orleans because there is not sufficent US forces
to
> > save them
> > billions of dollars in this war
> > while black children languish in unspeakable poverty and discrimination
> >
> > who is the enemy?
> > an afghan is an iraqui is a syrian
> > because this war is built on pure anti semitism
> > ( eg arabs are semites too )
> > the fear of the bogey man in the minds of white america
> >
> > one must realize the attrocities that the europeans
> > mainly the french and the british have been committing in the muslim
world
> > for centuries
> >
> > of course one does not defend terrorists
> > but this war is about capitalism not terrorism
> > about the industrial military complex making a very good buck off the
heavy
> > industry
> > being generated by this war
> > every buckle in every backpack
> > ?
> >
> > It is not a very different thing
> > It is the victory of the remnants of the Nixon crew finally managing to
> > ressurrect Viet Nam War
> > and make its unholy name clean
> >
> > and all these conservatives who pepper their blasphemy with the word
jesus
> > jesus was the dove of peace
> > and would never never have pulled the trigger on a single arab
> > ?
> >
> > many will come in my name says the bible
> > applaud this profane spectacle of carnage?
> > what a shame jim
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Burns" <jameshburns@webtv.net>
> > To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:10 PM
> > Subject: [Mb-hair] London, and Stuff
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Remember, one of the key problems with trying to update the anti-war
> >> stuff from HAIR to the anti-war stuff from today--
> >>
> >> Vietnam was a completely failed policy.
> >>
> >> Today, and many of you here I'm sure will disagree with me, a military
> >> response HAS been mandated.
> >>
> >> But with 9-11 handing the Bush administration a historic opportunity to
> >> confront Muslim fascism--
> >>
> >> Which is what fundamentalist Islam is--
> >>
> >> With the WORLD behind an American answer to radical tyranny--
> >>
> >> Bush and his horde decided to fight the wrong war, badly.
> >>
> >> I COULDN'T march with the anti-war protesters in March of 2003.
> >>
> >> Sometime, when ALL ELSE has failed, as Thomas Jefferson once noted, a
> >> military inititiave is mandated, and warranted.
> >>
> >>
> >> But by 1968, Vietnam was a complete debacle.
> >>
> >>
> >> Today, we should still be taking out terrorist bases throughout the
Arab
> >> world.
> >>
> >> And we're not.
> >>
> >> And using our influence to stop the Saudis from funding the Madras
> >> schools which teach children hatred of the West, and all forigners, as
> >> part of the schools' daily curriculum.
> >>
> >> But we're not.
> >>
> >> So, as keeps perplexing people up and down the line, it's really
> >> imposible to compare today's perilous policy makers, with the dire days
> >> of Tet.
> >>
> >> Jim Burns
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Mb-hair mailing list
> >> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> >> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Mb-hair mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair

From michael at intrafi.com  Thu Oct 20 13:30:41 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Oct 20 13:38:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Meet the Fundies
Message-ID: <20051020203041.D497EB8092@alternet.org>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



-------------------------------------
Meet the Fundies
http://www.alternet.org/story/27065

For Christian Fundamentalist leaders in Texas, a discussion about the 'homosexual agenda' becomes an argument about heaven and hell. 
-------------------------------------

From michael at intrafi.com  Thu Oct 20 13:23:54 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Thu Oct 20 15:25:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Alternet: Leave the Dopers Alone
Message-ID: <E1ESik0-00027M-Sm@smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>


This story has been forwarded to you from
http://www.alternet.org by michael@intrafi.com



-------------------------------------
Leave the Dopers Alone
http://www.alternet.org/story/27083

A former police chief espouses his controversial views on drug laws -- namely, that we shouldn't have any.
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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 21 09:50:35 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Fri Oct 21 09:58:08 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] London Gate Theatre adaptation of Hair (SPOILERS!)
In-Reply-To: <BF7BB4ED.1F4DC%toby@MusicAlly.com>
Message-ID: <20051021165035.61443.qmail@web54212.mail.yahoo.com>

Here I am a week late  on my email.. what can I say, "Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans." (J.L.) 
 
First off.. Toby Welcome to the list..
 
It was cool to read such a complete review of the London run by someone fresh and new, instead of someone who has written many a review for the local paper etc...
 
Though I personally don't like the idea of "Updating." I can see how others might take to the idea. And it if works for you.. That's cool. 
 
For my tastes.. It was cool to hear about the music droping out at points leaving the cast to sing alone.. and the fact that many were not miked... (not sure how to spell that one.) Having a strong voice myself, I hate being miked.. I always feel I have to hold back so I don't spike the board, and I feel it hinders my performance and my freedom to maybe change things up a bit.. ie: using levels in different places. So I do dig all that stuff.
 
I was really sadend that Frank Mills didn't play well for you.. Next to The Flesh Failures that is my favorite song in the show.
 
This updating, not updating descussion has played out a few times since i have been on the list, and I think it will always play out the same.. Most hard core Hair fans disagreeing with the fact that the changes are neccisary while others feeling they need to be there to bring in new audiences..
 
As a Virgo, I see both sides of the coin, though.. I am definetly more of a traditionalist at heart.
 
I guess it's like (and excuss my 80's ism.) When Vince Neil was replaced by John Carabe in the band Motley Crue.. They put out a self titled album... (err.. CD.) and the fans hated it.. I myself remember picking it up and listening to it once before retireing it to my shelf.. as I would any mediocre record.. (err.. CD) Years later I would pull it out and find some of the best stuff they'd ever written. I guess my point is.. when you go into something a traditionalist expecting a certian sound or theme.. and you are subject to something off the mark, your initial feeling is that it is bad or that it falls short of your expectations. Fore we are not seeing this with vigin eyes, or hearing it for the first time.. (This works and doesn't work for Hair.. If someone is seeing a new updated production for the first time and it is really bad, they are going to get a bad taste in their mouth and maybe boycot seeing futur productions.. but that can be said for even early productions of
  the
 play or any time or play.. there will always be brilliant, awful and every shade in between, productions, recordings and what not of everything.) When I went back and listened to the Crue's album (Err...CD.) I had it in a 50 CD holder and wasn't even sure who I was listening to when I heard it.. stripped was it from its wrapper, and reputation.. It was a new scene, and it worked for me. 
 
I guess my point is.. though a traditionist myself.. feeling doing a rap mix of Stairway to Heaven would fall short of the original.. If it helps new fans find it's origin.. maybe it's not all bad.
 
At anyrate.. Welcome to the Club Toby.. Hang out for awhile.. there is always something to learn and sometimes something to teach.. It's all give and take and it's always good..
 
JIMMY P.
 


"toby@MusicAlly.com" <toby@MusicAlly.com> wrote:
Hello from London, England.

Newbie alert: I recently joined the list. Having spent a bit of time reading
through the past couple of months' messages, I thought I'd share my thoughts
on the new adaptation of Hair which is showing in London. So if you're
planning to go and don't want to see any SPOILERS, don't read ahead!

First a bit of background on my experience of Hair. I discovered the show
during the early 90s (my early teens) when it was staged by the Old Vic
theatre in London. That show was fairly dire in retrospect, not coming at a
particularly politically apposite time and coming a decade before the Old
Vic was re-born with Kevin Spacey in the artistic hot-seat. Still, I
listened to the soundtrack album from the Old Vic show repeatedly, then a
few years later obtained a video of the movie, in which I immersed myself.

(I appreciate from reading the archive that some of you do not like the
film. Personally, though I agree it has its problems, particularly towards
the beginning, I think Foreman's version is superb adaptation that adds the
kind of characterisation, plot and empathy which is pre-requisite in a movie
more than in a a stage play.)

Since the advent of internet music I've been able to listen to at least one
other Hair soundtrack, maybe more. I also narrowly missed seeing a staging
of Hair in Los Angeles about six years ago. So you can imagine my excitement
when I heard a version of Hair was being staged in London. However, upon
telephoning, I was told that the entire run was sold out. That was several
weeks ago; this weekend I received an e-mail informing me that some returns
had become available... and I bought two for Saturday's matin???

The Gate is a very small studio style theatre above a pub in the fashionable
/ vaguely artsy (but mostly now just wealthy) area of Notting Hill. It is an
odd theatre in that it is long and shallow, with the audience sitting just
two rows deep across the theatre's long side. I'd estimate the theatre fits
about 80 guests; I paid ?20 each for my tickets. Not much by West End
musical standards, but quite a lot by repertory theatre standards.

All things considered, I really enjoyed the show. More so than a lot of
London theatre - of which I see quite a bit. Certainly it was far more
exciting and nerve-tingling than the much-feted Guys and Dolls, which seemed
flat and even backwards by comparison. However, the Gate production is in
many regards monumentally flawed. As much as I whooped for joy at the
powerful, successful segments, I cringed with embarrassment at the banal,
heavy-handed sections.

First impression was one of bafflement. One of the initial sounds one hears
is a radio being tuned, with strains of Britney Spears emerging through the
ether. As the cast enter, one tribe member is wearing an iPod with those
signature white earbuds. Aha. This is Hair set in the present day. Or
rather, some undefined post-911, post 7/7 Iraq era with a massive dose of
Naomi Klein 1990s anti-corporate, anti-globalisation politics thrown in.
(The stage curtain carries a massive Coca-Cola inspired logo.)

The opening scene is a mime sequence in which Claude and Berger travel by
New York metro, one narrowly avoiding a suspected terrorist bomb, before
introducing themselves to the audience.

The Tribe arrives looking like something out of Fame or Flashdance: some
wearing rainbow-striped skateboard kneepads, many with shocking pink
facepaint on and all (except Claude) with the asymmetrical, semi-shaved
haircuts usually sported by the denizens of London's trendy Hoxton district.
For a crowd supposedly plucked from the present day they look utterly 80s,
an area of real incongruence. (The references to condoms and HIV which
appear towards the beginning of the show also come across as somehow
out-dated, bringing to mind the health campaigns of the 80s rather than the
rather more lax attitude to safe sex that many 21st century young people
seem to have.)

In the opening dance scene the Tribe is surrounded by an establishment of
zombie citizens, symbolised by cast members wearing black priest or judge's
robes. Each zombie carries in its mouth a different icon 20th century
consumerism - from Snickers bar wrappers to the Atkins Diet book to a
cellphone. Hence the theme of commercialism, which is only mildly alluded to
in the original, is made very explicit. Meanwhile the terrorism theme
returns time and time again; and sometimes the lyrics are changed to match -
for example "256 terrorists captured" instead of "Viet Cong captured". The
big be-in scene is set at one of the post-911 candle-lit vigils, with lyrics
changed to "Love, peace, candles, happiness."

Why are the Tribe together? In this version, all of them are students at
NYU. The characterisations themselves have been re-imagined. Claude is
reticent and manic depressive, though it's never entirely clear why he would
want to join the US Army. Supposedly he wants to go in order to get his
education paid for. There's an odd tangent in which Claude ends up spaced
out on Prozac (something which I believe, medically speaking, is not
entirely possible.)

Hud is now a woman - with a spectacular voice and buckets of personality.
Woof is now 100% gay, in fact the gayest gay one is ever likely to see on
stage... a very fun, camp performance complete with a trademark canine growl
and clawing hand-gestures. But perhaps a little too stereotyped for my
likeing. Woof has "H.I.V.I.P" tattooed on his chest - and I'm still trying
to figure out whether it was permanent or something just for the show.

The post-911 anti-terrorist theme turns up in some of the set-piece dance
scenes. Most memorably in a semi-naked Abu Graib sequence which features a
pyramid of tortured inmates with bags over their heads. While now is a good
moment to be making a reference to the anti-Vietnam sentiment of the
original Hair, I feel the director struggles to make a proper comparison
with today's political milieu.

No longer are we in an era during which growing one's hair long is a sign of
rebellion. UK and US citizens, especially in big cities, can today for the
most part feel free to wear their hair however they like - and they
certainly don't need to worry about being drafted for the army and having
their hair cut off. Hence in this production the song Hair (which
incidentally is one of the highlights of the Gate show) comes across not as
symbolic of non-conformism but merely as a celebration of fancy haircuts!

Much is made in the production literature of how the cast's hair has been
sponsored and styled by the Vidal Sassoon salon; clothes company Gap is
another of the sponsors. So while I sympathise with the producers' need to
finance an adventurous production, the play does seem to promote the very
corporate ideals that it seeks to criticise, while in my opinion missing
some of the more relevant themes that are so key to the original show.
Indeed not a lock of hair is ever cut from Claude's head during the
production, symbolic or otherwise.

Some of the most heavy-handed stuff comes during several music-less spoken
comedy sequences featuring caricatures of George Bush and Condoleeza Rice in
a gameshow environment. These are the worst scenes and, though a few cheap
laughs are raised, they seemed to drag by comparison to the song and dance
sections.

So is there nothing good about the Gate production? Quite the opposite.
There's plenty to rave about - most obviously the fantastic cast, which
deserves every plaudit going for their exuberance and skill. It really was a
joy to see these kids in action and clearly they were having a lot of fun,
improvising, interacting and messing around during the performance much as
I'd expect any good Tribe to! So alive was the show that I got the
impression it would have carried on even if there was no audience in the
room to enjoy it. They just seemed to love what they were doing.

The naked scenes - of which there were a lot - were fun rather than smutty,
though I got the sense that the director felt he really had to push the boat
out to compete with outlets like MTV which thrust sexuality into the
airwaves day in, day out. (The "White Boys / Black Boys" sequence made
strong references to MTV and stars like Christina Aguilera, with added S&M
outfits for the boys.) Things did occasionally veer towards silly, though,
and I am still bemused by the climax of "I Got Life" in which Claude
smothers himself in ketchup from a squeezy bottle!

As most members of the cast get the chance to have a solo sing of their own,
I was continually surprised that nearly every single member of the cast was
a superbly strong singer. Most sang without that Broadway blandness that one
expects from a traditional musical - indeed the only singers I didn't
appreciate were those employing a flat Broadway delivery or alternatively an
over-egged pop soul vocal style.

Save for Claude's, the American accents were really impressive. I've seen a
lot of London shows in which the cast's US accents are questionable, but
there was a neat range of different regions represented and in quite a
convincing fashion considering these are for the most part all young English
actors. Until I discovered that the director is American I was wondering how
the show managed to get so many obscure US cultural references right. Of
course I'm not saying that it would fool all American theatregoers, just
that the Americanisms were much better than one would expect in London.

In terms of the songs, I think they stuck quite closely to the original
musical rather than making the cuts of the movie. The big "hit" songs,
particularly those used in the film, come across extremely well - while some
of the other songs such as "Going Down" and "Frank Mills" are a bit weak.

The band was great; most of the arrangements were interesting and
contemporary, though with a few detours into theatrical pop cheese that I
could have done without. Best of all for me was the fact that only a few
members of the cast were ever mic'ed up at one time, using handheld radio
microphones - the rest were unamplified. So there was this gorgeous effect
in the small space of hearing 20 people singing at the top of their voices,
in harmony, with a few soloists amplified over the top. Occasionally the
sound engineer would mix the entire band down, or the band would drop out
altogether, so that the chorus could be heard singing a capella. Extremely
powerful, life-affirming stuff.

In retrospect, I'm fighting to some degree against my love of the show as a
whole and the movie in particular. But I think that classics like Hair (yes,
Hair has acquired that status, and the sold-out nature of the Gate run
confirms that) should be open to re-interpretation and I applaud the Gate
for giving it a go. My reservations are due to the fact that I don't think
some of the interpretations make a lot of sense; some are inconsistent, some
are irrelevant, some are just too obvious for their own good.

Particularly confusing is Claude's death scene: he has joined the army, been
forced to torture an alleged terrorist inmate (or was that a dream
sequence?) and finally commits suicide. Apparently the pressure of being a
middle class white university student in today's globalised post-911 world
becomes too much for Claude, and he sticks a gun in his mouth. To me it came
across as slightly daft rather than having the emotional weight I expected.

But when the cast ended on "Let The Sun Shine In", vocal lines interweaving
in a capella, it was impossible not to be swept up - I even noticed several
audience members crying. The sheer passion of the Gate team is not in
question and I would recommend the show for that reason alone. The music and
cast are gutsy and I really hope they get a chance to take the songs of Hair
to a wider London audience, hopefully with a tour or a West End run.













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From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Oct 21 13:20:46 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Dusty Wright's Culture Catch | Video and Podcasting
	On-Line Magazine
Message-ID: <BF7E7F9E.24DB5%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Hi,
My interview is on CultureCatch.

http://www.culturecatch.com/

Interesting site,
Michael

From laurie at cubedsquared.com  Fri Oct 21 13:47:53 2005
From: laurie at cubedsquared.com (Laurie Hodges)
Date: Fri Oct 21 13:55:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Thank you!
References: <BF7E7F9E.24DB5%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <010f01c5d680$b59b9f00$6701a8c0@Cubed21>

My friend
Thank YOU so much!  How thoughtful and sweet of you. I chuckled loudly when 
I got the box today - -truly a classy man you are -- and a VERY appropriate 
gift.
You certainly did NOT have to do that.   The pleasure of having you in my 
home was truly mine and the invitation to stay is there - -the door is 
always open to you (no thank you gifts required).
I am scheduled to fly out to Key West on Tuesday  morning to film a festival 
there (I have done this for 6 years straight now) -- suffice to say Wilma 
might have other plans for me AND the festival !  So we are waiting 
patiently with airline tickets in hand - -wondering what next week will 
hold.  I truly hope the plans remain as planned.
I am thoroughly enjoying the banter of the fellow "hair-ites" (is there a 
name for this clan?) and your blog ... well I expected nothing less....  I 
do hope that I can sit and pen something worthy of a response soon.  My 
brain is stimulated by intellectual bantering -- something that simply 
doesnt happen too often in the entertainment arena-- what a shame.  Thank 
you for including me into that very private and special place.

With much appreciation and many thanks - -
You really shouldn't have.
Laurie
xoxoxoxoxo

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To: "SPECIAL from Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:21 AM
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PodcastingOn-Line Magazine


> Hi,
> My interview is on CultureCatch.
>
> http://www.culturecatch.com/
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> Interesting site,
> Michael
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From fotoblue at flash.net  Fri Oct 21 17:04:08 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Fri Oct 21 17:11:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Post-Reunion update and AZ critter report
Message-ID: <380-2200510622048585@M2W084.mail2web.com>

Hello Michael and fellow Tribees

(bees,what bees?)

here's my latest cutie (yes, it's a young lynx, aka bobcat)

have a great weekend all of you! 
I have about 300 messages to catch up on...

P&L
Dagmar

PS: Nina, where's MY PROGRAM?????????


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Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Post-Reunion update and AZ critter report


Thanks for the update with your eclectic schedule.
The pic of cutie is so appropriate.
P&L Michael



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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Oct 21 19:15:08 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Oct 21 19:22:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Post-Reunion update and AZ critter report
References: <380-2200510622048585@M2W084.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <004301c5d6ae$6ef63550$f1476c42@hotprojects>

and i thought with my perverse mind
you were going to show us your latest 30 year old lover in a similar
position
thats what comes from seeing hair at the age of 10
and playing the album at the age of 9
peace love

me richard in the project pit
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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Post-Reunion update and AZ critter report


Hello Michael and fellow Tribees

(bees,what bees?)

here's my latest cutie (yes, it's a young lynx, aka bobcat)

have a great weekend all of you!
I have about 300 messages to catch up on...

P&L
Dagmar

PS: Nina, where's MY PROGRAM?????????


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Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Post-Reunion update and AZ critter report


Thanks for the update with your eclectic schedule.
The pic of cutie is so appropriate.
P&L Michael



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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 21 20:01:31 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Fri Oct 21 20:09:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Post-Reunion update and AZ critter report
In-Reply-To: <380-2200510622048585@M2W084.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <20051022030131.21408.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

Dagmar.. what a beautiful kittie.. I want one.. JIM

"fotoblue@flash.net" <fotoblue@flash.net> wrote:Hello Michael and fellow Tribees

(bees,what bees?)

here's my latest cutie (yes, it's a young lynx, aka bobcat)

have a great weekend all of you! 
I have about 300 messages to catch up on...

P&L
Dagmar

PS: Nina, where's MY PROGRAM?????????


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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:29:42 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Post-Reunion update and AZ critter report


Thanks for the update with your eclectic schedule.
The pic of cutie is so appropriate.
P&L Michael



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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Oct 21 19:19:39 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Oct 21 20:14:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] and im talking the original album
Message-ID: <000e01c5d6af$103ad880$f1476c42@hotprojects>

eg me 9 in jlu 1967
10 in july 1968

directed first off broadway revival of hair 
eg HAIR 1980 in 1980 in nyc at harry streeps ( meryls brother _) the brook ( 399 seats ) nyc west 18th street ( 1980 - 1981 )

thank you michael jimmy jerry galt tom for being my heros

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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sat Oct 22 04:06:50 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sat Oct 22 04:18:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] The Draconians... "Former Seattle Police Chief: 'Legalize
	ALL Drugs" 
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Thu, 20 Oct 2005
	12:00:13 -0700
Message-ID: <7617-435A1D4A-4865@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>


Interesting stuff...
_____

"Former Seattle Police Chief: Legalize ALL Drugs"

For the past 15 years, lawmakers have pursued tough-on-drugs policies in
an effort to create a "drug free America," plowing billions of dollars
into prosecuting and imprisoning drug offenders. Is it working? Not
according to many drug policy observers of each political stripe, who
claim the war on drugs has been a complete, and extremely costly,
failure.
Leave the Dopers Alone
By Norm Stamper, AlterNet. Posted October 20, 2005.
A former police chief espouses his controversial views on drug laws --
namely, that we shouldn't have any. 
Sometimes people in law enforcement will hear it whispered that I'm a
former cop who favors decriminalization of marijuana laws, and they'll
approach me the way they might a traitor or snitch. So let me set the
record straight.
Yes, I was a cop for 34 years, the last six of which I spent as chief of
Seattle's police department.
But no, I don't favor decriminalization. I favor legalization, and not
just of pot but of all drugs, including heroin, cocaine, meth,
psychotropics, mushrooms and LSD.
Decriminalization, as my colleagues in the drug reform movement hasten
to inform me, takes the crime out of using drugs but continues to
classify possession and use as a public offense, punishable by fines.
I've never understood why adults shouldn't enjoy the same right to use
verboten drugs as they have to suck on a Marlboro or knock back a scotch
and water.
Prohibition of alcohol fell flat on its face. The prohibition of other
drugs rests on an equally wobbly foundation. Not until we choose to
frame responsible drug use -- not an oxymoron in my dictionary -- as a
civil liberty will we be able to recognize the abuse of drugs, including
alcohol, for what it is: a medical, not a criminal, matter.
As a cop, I bore witness to the multiple lunacies of the "war on drugs."
Lasting far longer than any other of our national conflicts, the drug
war has been prosecuted with equal vigor by Republican and Democratic
administrations, with one president after another -- Nixon, Ford,
Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush -- delivering sanctimonious sermons,
squandering vast sums of taxpayer money and cheerleading law enforcers
from the safety of the sidelines.
It's not a stretch to conclude that our draconian approach to drug use
is the most injurious domestic policy since slavery. Want to cut back on
prison overcrowding and save a bundle on the construction of new
facilities? Open the doors, let the nonviolent drug offenders go.
The huge increases in federal and state prison populations during the
1980s and '90s (from 139 per 100,000 residents in 1980 to 482 per
100,000 in 2003) were mainly for drug convictions. In 1980, 580,900
Americans were arrested on drug charges. By 2003, that figure had
ballooned to 1,678,200. We're making more arrests for drug offenses than
for murder, manslaughter, forcible rape and aggravated assault combined.
Feel safer?
I've witnessed the devastating effects of open-air drug markets in
residential neighborhoods: children recruited as runners, mules and
lookouts; drug dealers and innocent citizens shot dead in firefights
between rival traffickers bent on protecting or expanding their markets;
dedicated narcotics officers tortured and killed in the line of duty;
prisons filled with nonviolent drug offenders; and drug-related foreign
policies that foster political instability, wreak health and
environmental disasters, and make life even tougher for indigenous
subsistence farmers in places such as Latin America and Afghanistan. All
because we like our drugs -- and can't have them without breaking the
law.
As an illicit commodity, drugs cost and generate extravagant sums of
(laundered, untaxed) money, a powerful magnet for character-challenged
police officers.
Although small in numbers of offenders, there isn't a major police force
-- the Los Angeles Police Department included -- that has escaped the
problem: cops, sworn to uphold the law, seizing and converting drugs to
their own use, planting dope on suspects, robbing and extorting pushers,
taking up dealing themselves, intimidating or murdering witnesses.
In declaring a war on drugs, we've declared war on our fellow citizens.
War requires "hostiles" -- enemies we can demonize, fear and loathe.
This unfortunate categorization of millions of our citizens justifies
treating them as dope fiends, evil-doers, less than human. That grants
political license to ban the exchange or purchase of clean needles or to
withhold methadone from heroin addicts motivated to kick the addiction.
President Bush has even said no to medical marijuana. Why would he want
to "coddle" the enemy? Even if the enemy is a suffering AIDS or cancer
patient for whom marijuana promises palliative, if not therapeutic,
powers.
As a nation, we're long overdue for a soul-searching, coldly analytical
look at both the "drug scene" and the drug war. Such candor would reveal
the futility of our current policies, exposing the embarrassingly meager
return on our massive enforcement investment (about $69 billion a year,
according to Jack Cole, founder and executive director of Law
Enforcement Against Prohibition).
How would "regulated legalization" work? It would:
1) Permit private companies to compete for licenses to cultivate,
harvest, manufacture, package and peddle drugs.
2) Create a new federal regulatory agency (with no apologies to
libertarians or paleo-conservatives).
3) Set and enforce standards of sanitation, potency and purity.
4) Ban advertising.
5) Impose (with congressional approval) taxes, fees and fines to be used
for drug-abuse prevention and treatment and to cover the costs of
administering the new regulatory agency.
6) Police the industry much as alcoholic beverage control agencies keep
a watch on bars and liquor stores at the state level. Such reforms would
in no way excuse drug users who commit crimes: driving while impaired,
providing drugs to minors, stealing an iPod or a Lexus, assaulting one's
spouse, abusing one's child. The message is simple. Get loaded, commit a
crime, do the time.
These reforms would yield major reductions in a host of predatory street
crimes, a disproportionate number of which are committed by users who
resort to stealing in order to support their habit or addiction.
Regulated legalization would soon dry up most stockpiles of currently
illicit drugs -- substances of uneven, often questionable quality
(including "bunk," i.e., fakes such as oregano, gypsum, baking powder or
even poisons passed off as the genuine article). It would extract from
today's drug dealing the obscene profits that attract the needy and the
greedy and fuel armed violence. And it would put most of those
certifiably frightening crystal meth labs out of business once and for
all.
Combined with treatment, education and other public health programs for
drug abusers, regulated legalization would make your city or town an
infinitely healthier place to live and raise a family.
It would make being a cop a much safer occupation, and it would lead to
greater police accountability and improved morale and job satisfaction.
But wouldn't regulated legalization lead to more users and, more to the
point, drug abusers? Probably, though no one knows for sure -- our
leaders are too timid even to broach the subject in polite circles, much
less to experiment with new policy models. My own prediction? We'd see
modest increases in use, negligible increases in abuse.
The demand for illicit drugs is as strong as the nation's thirst for
bootleg booze during Prohibition. It's a demand that simply will not
dwindle or dry up. Whether to find God, heighten sexual arousal, relieve
physical pain, drown one's sorrows or simply feel good, for millennia
people have turned to mood- and mind-altering substances.
They're not about to stop, no matter what their government says or does.
It's time to accept drug use as a right of adult Americans, treat drug
abuse as a public health problem and end the madness of an unwinnable
war.
This article originally appeared in the Los Angeles Times.
Norm Stamper was chief of the Seattle Police Department from 1994 -
2000. He is the author of 'Breaking Rank.'

From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sat Oct 22 04:27:41 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sat Oct 22 04:35:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: London, and Stuff
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Thu, 20 Oct 2005
	12:00:13 -0700
Message-ID: <7618-435A222D-3491@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>


'Haven't had a chance to read through the responses, yet...

But remember, perhaps the most significant difference between our
situation today, and Vietnam--


Is the absence of the draft.


The peace movement of the '60s would absolutely not have proceded with
its remarkable trajectory, without the imminent sense of personal peril
that so many Americans felt.


We have a PROFESSIONAL military, for a reason.


Which is why it's so extra tragic to see a campiagn hatched by
politicians, with such
mendacity.  And to see it waged, with such incompetence.


And to see the soliders treated by Bush and his pals, so criminally.


Not well publicized, at all, is that  the Iraqi War has the highest
incidence of ours soliders' suicides....


And many others, who need medical care, have been forced to wait, for
military medical facilities that aren't available.


Bush has betrayed not only the values of America, but these very troops,
of our sons and daughters.



As to the rest?  Briefly?


If three of the Huns of Attilla  came to the door of your kitchen, you
could bemoan many things: That you hadn't thwarted their journey, from
the beginning...  That you hadn't made sure that Huns had been educated
in the their home nation, so that a generation later, they wouldn't be
so prone to murder...  You could regret 
not having bribed Hun leaders, or negotiated elsewise  with them, before
they ever showed up at your door...  You could regret tacitly having
accepted the exisence of Attilla, even though his rule was barbaric....

But if you don't somehow stop them, within moments, your head will be
rolling around your kichen's floor...

From katiekasben at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 22 10:00:05 2005
From: katiekasben at hotmail.com (Katie Kasben)
Date: Sat Oct 22 10:07:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] honoured to receive your opinion
In-Reply-To: <7618-435A222D-3491@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <BAY109-F10AB98B0AE9CB3D591A818AD750@phx.gbl>

Atilla probably told his Huns that if they didn't come to my house and stop 
me, that their (and their families) own heads would be in jeopardy.

it's the hardest question, because everyone is partly right.

It's too late to mediate between Cain and Abel, and since the "war to end 
all wars" didn't end anything (we are 12 years away from a 100 year 
anniversary of WWI -1917).  When the boys came out of their trenches at 
Christmas time, to share time, food and songs with the "enemies"- each of 
which thought they were preventing heads on kitchen floors- how sad it must 
have been to have to go back and pick up their guns.

I was subbing for a high school English class yesterday, and the apathetic 
Sophomores could have cared less that we were reading CATCH 22.  Sigh.  they 
did not have the capacity for empathy, to see how history could possibly 
relate to them.

i should print a sticker that says, "empathy is unpatriotic"...
someone somewhere in the Middle East is probably writing to a young idealist 
saying, "it's too late for peace right now...they are at our door"





ALOHA NUI LOA!


From chiosceola at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 22 07:00:00 2005
From: chiosceola at hotmail.com (ernesto ciccarelli)
Date: Sat Oct 22 13:54:16 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Death Watch at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Message-ID: <E1ETLqJ-0004uX-Mh@smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7560.shtml


From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sat Oct 22 13:49:15 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sat Oct 22 14:52:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] AAA Fuel Price Finder
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV4064B9ED7DF0B6C930E28AB750@phx.gbl>

Hey folks maybe this will help you find some cheaper gas... Put in your State or      ZipCode etc and within a certain amount of miles that you choose it gives the cheapest prices...

peace,
barbara

http://aaa.opisnet.com/index.aspx?212_BFFDB045A7C0E3877BEE0678254E499A1EADBF51A422A37764369AA6A1173B158D7100FC8A55E20B



From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sat Oct 22 14:51:23 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sat Oct 22 15:00:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] AAA Fuel Price Finder
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV4064B9ED7DF0B6C930E28AB750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BF802C9B.24E95%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Thanks
Michael

> Hey folks maybe this will help you find some cheaper gas... Put in your State
> or      ZipCode etc and within a certain amount of miles that you choose it
> gives the cheapest prices...
> 
> peace,
> barbara
> 
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From Queenltc at aol.com  Sat Oct 22 13:59:35 2005
From: Queenltc at aol.com (Queenltc@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 22 17:06:57 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kathy Ingraham Nixon Del Rosso
Message-ID: <195.49d2d7c5.308c0237@aol.com>

Hi everyone-I've written a show that I'm doing at the Manhattan Theatre 
Source corner of 8th street and MacDougal (177 MacDougal) Its a small 55 seat 
theater and the show is called QueenLTC. It would be great to see some of my fellow 
tribe members there. It will be running for 4 days Nov 2-5. (Wed through Sat 
) Here is a link to the press release on line  
http://www.offoffonline.com/listings.php?id=1863 . Also here is a link to the theater website  
www.theatersource.org  It is a multi media musical comedy.   
From sherwin at aceross.com  Sat Oct 22 18:18:00 2005
From: sherwin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Sat Oct 22 18:25:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Jesse Castro
Message-ID: <20051023011807.8FB3711FA5D@lax-gw07.mroute.net>

 

 


Subject: Jesse Castro

 

I'm going for a Guinness! Please forward to all in your address book!

Announcing the debut CD from Jesse Castro. http://www.jessecastro.com Check
out photos, hear some of the music or Order the cd!

Lets make the kid a Star so I die a happy man....My apologies If some of you
received this in era.

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From venuetheatre at juno.com  Sat Oct 22 21:01:24 2005
From: venuetheatre at juno.com (venuetheatre@juno.com)
Date: Sat Oct 22 21:14:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 25
Message-ID: <20051023.000612.364.3.venuetheatre@juno.com>

RE:  From: jameshburns@webtv.net (Jim Burns) The difference is the draft?

Unfortunately, a goodly portion of our military in Iraq are NOT
professionals.  They are the NATIONAL GUARD.
The National Guard is supposed to be home, guarding the Nation.  

The "Professionals" are home fighting Hurricanes, and not doing a very
good job of that.

Corinne

** Venue Theatre Collective and  Actors Studio  is a not for profit
501(c)(3) Corporation, founded in 1992.
ALL MAIL TO THE OFFICE:  5124 Ninth Avenue N, St Petersburg, FL 33710.
THE STUDIO is in MAINLANDS PLAZA, 9125 US 19 N, Pinellas Park (at
Mainlands Blvd.) 1 mi N of Gandy/Park Blvd.  727-822-6194  cell 
727-656-8525
Visit our web site at www.VenueActorStudio.org
From peppyc at frontiernet.net  Sat Oct 22 20:49:38 2005
From: peppyc at frontiernet.net (peppy castro)
Date: Sun Oct 23 05:59:43 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Jesse Castro
Message-ID: <E1ETUzh-0002Op-3l@smtpauth04.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

I'm going for a Guinness! Please forward to all in your address book!
Announcing the debut CD from Jesse Castro. http://www.jessecastro.com Check out photos, hear some of the music or Order the cd!
Lets make the kid a Star so I die a happy man....My apologies If some of you received this in era.
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From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Oct 23 05:59:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] AN INTERESTING STORY
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Enjoy
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Oct 23 06:42:14 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Oct 23 06:50:51 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] GREAT DAY
Message-ID: <BF810B76.24ED6%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Yesterday was Les Carlson's day
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!
Peace and  Love,
Michael

From michael at intrafi.com  Sun Oct 23 09:13:13 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sun Oct 23 09:21:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: Mr. Bush, This Is Pro-Life?
Message-ID: <20051023161313.DD2A013B88A@lax-gw04.mroute.net>

This page was sent to you by: michael@intrafi.com.

OPINION | October 23, 2005
Mr. Bush, This Is Pro-Life?
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
If only President Bush could see the results of withholding funds from the U.N. Population Fund.
http://select.nytimes.com/2005/10/23/opinion/23kristof.html?emc=eta1




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From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Sun Oct 23 10:22:14 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: Karl and Scooter's Excellent Adventure
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OPINION | October 23, 2005
Op-Ed Columnist: Karl and Scooter's Excellent Adventure
By FRANK RICH
The more we learn about the C.I.A. leak case, the more we learn about the real secret Karl Rove and Lewis (Scooter) Libby wanted to protect: the "why" of the war.
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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sun Oct 23 10:25:47 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun Oct 23 10:33:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: A National Guard....
Message-ID: <19912-435BC79B-4882@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>


Corinne, I think it's about thirty to forty percent of our Iraq troops,
that are National Guard.

And, the Guard, by the way, is not some amateur force...  They made a
deal...  That service, however,  is being called on incompetently, by an
amateur, and imposter, president.

Here's an article, though, that should raise some more hackles:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-10-20T174838Z_01_BAU064089_RTRUKOC_0_US-ARMS-GUARD.xml&archived=False

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Oct 23 13:07:12 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Oct 23 13:16:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Interesting Quote
Message-ID: <BF8165B0.24F47%michael@michaelbutler.com>

 By John McCain: We are a nation of many races, many religious faiths, many
points of origin. But our one shared faith is the belief that a nation
conceived in an idea -- in liberty -- will prove stronger, more enduring and
better than any nation ordered to exalt the few at the expense of the many
or made from a common race or culture or to preserve traditions that have no
greater attribute than longevity.

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Oct 23 13:45:22 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Oct 23 13:53:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: A National Guard....
References: <19912-435BC79B-4882@storefull-3277.bay.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <010601c5d812$b05d4280$f1476c42@hotprojects>

that 30% - 40% ( eg the National Guard )
should have been available stateside to help the people in Louisiana and
Mississippi
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>
> Corinne, I think it's about thirty to forty percent of our Iraq troops,
> that are National Guard.
>
> And, the Guard, by the way, is not some amateur force...  They made a
> deal...  That service, however,  is being called on incompetently, by an
> amateur, and imposter, president.
>
> Here's an article, though, that should raise some more hackles:
>
>
http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-10-20T174838Z_01_BAU064089_RTRUKOC_0_US-ARMS-GUARD.xml&archived=False
>
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Sun Oct 23 07:10:05 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Sun Oct 23 14:12:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] MUST SEE!
Message-ID: <BF8111FD.24EE1%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Do go see "Good Night, Good Luck" a great film.
Michael

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Oct 24 07:34:30 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Oct 24 07:43:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: vaccine history and reference sites for consideration
In-Reply-To: <1d9.47b0174d.308da4d1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BF826936.24FB4%michael@michaelbutler.com>


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From: IHHS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:45:37 EDT
To: IHHS@aol.com
Subject: vaccine history and reference sites for consideration

 
_http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/index.htm_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/index.htm)

HISTORICAL FACTS EXPOSING THE DANGERS AND  INEFFECTIVENESS OF VACCINES


- In 1871-2, England, with 98% of the  population aged between 2 and 50
vaccinated against smallpox, it experienced its  worst ever smallpox
outbreak with 
45,000 deaths. During the same period in  Germany, with a vaccination rate
of 
96%, there were over 125,000 deaths from  smallpox. (_  The Hadwen
Documents_ 
(http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020119hadwin/020119hadwin.toc
.ht
ml)  
_http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020119hadwin/020119hadwin.toc
.html_ 
(http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020119hadwin/020119hadwin.toc
.html)   )

- In Germany,  compulsory mass vaccination against diphtheria commenced in
1940 and by 1945  diphtheria cases were up from 40,000 to 250,000. (Don't
Get 
Stuck, Hannah Allen)

- In the USA in 1960, two virologists  discovered that both polio vaccines
were contaminated with the SV 40 virus which  causes cancer in animals as
well 
as changes in human cell tissue cultures.  Millions of children had been
injected with these vaccines. ( Med Jnl of Australia 17/3/1973 p555)

- In 1967, Ghana was declared measles free  by the World Health Organisation
after 96% of its population was vaccinated. In  1972, Ghana experienced one
of 
its worst measles outbreaks with its highest ever  mortality rate. (Dr H
Albonico, MMR Vaccine Campaign in Switzerland, March 1990)

- In the UK between 1970 and 1990, over  200,000 cases of whooping cough
occurred in fully vaccinated children. (Community Disease  Surveillance
Centre, UK)

- In the 1970's a tuberculosis vaccine trial in India involving 260,000
people revealed that more cases of TB occurred in the vaccinated than the
unvaccinated. (The Lancet  12/1/80 p73)

- In 1977,  Dr Jonas Salk who developed the first polio vaccine, testified
along with other  scientists, that mass inoculation against polio was the
cause 
of most polio  cases throughout the USA since 1961. (Science 4/4/77
"Abstracts" )

- In 1978, a survey of 30 States in the US  revealed that more than half of
the children who contracted measles had been  adequately vaccinated. (The
People's Doctor, Dr R Mendelsohn)

- In 1979, Sweden  abandoned the whooping cough vaccine due to its
ineffectiveness. Out of 5,140  cases in 1978, it was found that 84% had been
vaccinated 
three times! (BMJ 283:696-697, 1981)

-The February 1981 issue of the Journal of  the American Medical Association
found that 90% of obstetricians and 66% of  pediatricians refused to take
the 
rubella vaccine.

- In the USA, the cost  of a single DPT shot had risen from 11 cents in 1982
to $11.40 in 1987. The  manufacturers of the vaccine were putting aside $8
per 
shot to cover legal costs  and damages they were paying out to parents of
brain damaged children and  children who died after vaccination. (The Vine,
Issue 
7, January 1994, Nambour, Qld)

- In Oman between 1988 and 1989, a polio  outbreak occurred amongst
thousands 
of fully vaccinated children. The region  with the highest attack rate had
the highest vaccine coverage. The region with  the lowest attack rate had
the 
lowest vaccine coverage. (The Lancet, 21/9/91)

- In 1990, a UK survey involving 598  doctors revealed that over 50% of them
refused to have the Hepatitis B vaccine  despite belonging to the high risk
group urged to be vaccinated. (British Med Jnl,  27/1/1990)

- In 1990,  the Journal of the American Medical Association had an article
on 
measles which  stated " Although more than 95% of school-aged children in
the 
US are  vaccinated against measles, large measles outbreaks continue to
occur 
in schools  and most cases in this setting occur among previously vaccinated
children." (JAMA,  21/11/90)

- In the USA,  from July 1990 to November 1993, the US Food and Drug
Administration counted a  total of 54,072 adverse reactions following
vaccination. The 
FDA admitted that  this number represented only 10% of the real total,
because most doctors were  refusing to report vaccine injuries. In other
words, 
adverse reactions for this  period exceeded half a million! (National
Vaccine 
Information Centre, March 2, 1994)

- In the New England Journal of Medicine  July 1994 issue a study found that
over 80% of children under 5 years of age who  had contracted whooping cough
had been fully vaccinated.

- On November 2nd, 2000, the Association of  American Physicians and
Surgeons 
(AAPS) announced that its members voted at  their 57th annual meeting in St
Louis to pass a resolution calling for an end to  mandatory childhood
vaccines. 
The resolution passed without a single "no" vote. _(Report by Michael
Devitt)_ 
(http://www.wellnesschiro.com/physicians_group_end_mandatory_vaccines.htm)
 (http://www.wellnesschiro.com/physicians_group_end_mandatory_vaccines.htm)



_GRAPHICAL EVIDENCE SHOWS  VACCINES DIDN'T SAVE US_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html)
(you should see these graphs! Len
http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html)

_HISTORICAL FACTS EXPOSING THE  DANGERS AND INEFFECTIVENESS OF VACCINES_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html)

_DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CONDEMN  VACCINATION_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web3.html)
_http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web3.html

_ (http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web3.html) _WHY VACCINES _
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web4.html) _ARE INEFFECTIVE_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web4.html)
_http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web4.html_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web4.html)
In reality, childhood infections such as  measles, whooping cough, chicken
pox etc, are not caused by _germs_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/germs.html)
, but by the toxic  conditions of the body, a condition known as Toxaemia.

_WHY VACCINES ARE  HARMFUL_ (http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web5.html)
_http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web5.html_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web5.html)
The United States legal standard applied  to vaccines defines them as
"unavoidably unsafe products that are quite  incapable of being made safe
for their 
intended and ordinary use".

_WHY  VACCINATION CONTINUES_
(http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020132sinclair/vaccinaion.htm
)  
_http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020132sinclair/vaccinaion.htm
_ 
(http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020132sinclair/vaccinaion.htm
) 
  
That vaccination continues to this day is not because of its  'assumed'
benefits, but (1) because it yields millions of dollars profit to the  Drug
Industry 

_THE BENEFICIAL NATURE OF  CHILDHOOD INFECTION_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web6.html)
_http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web6.html_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web6.html)
The real disease is Toxaemia out of which  the symptoms arise.

Good Food (and health supplements) is your best medicine  -  choose
prevention over intervention - Len
_http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/0201hyglibcat.html

_ (http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/0201hyglibcat.html) _HEALTH
- THE ONLY  IMMUNITY_ (http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web7.html)
_http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web7.html_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web7.html)
If a child develops measles, chicken  pox, whooping cough, mumps, rubella or
any of the other common childhood  infections, it is not because of _germs_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/germs.html) , but because of the
accumulated 
toxic waste within its body, a condition known as _Toxaemia_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web4.html) . It therefore  stands to
reason that the 
prevention of childhood infection is only possible by  preventing the
development of 
toxaemia, or in other words, by preserving or  restoring the PHYSIOLOGICAL
HEALTH of the body.



_THE HOPEWOOD CHILDREN -  AUSTRALIA'S HEALTHIEST KIDS_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web8.html)
_http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web8.html_
(http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web8.html)
It is noteworthy that amongst these 85  children, no serious illness ever
occurred, no operative treatments were ever  performed, no drugs of any kind
were 
ever taken or used, and NO VACCINATIONS  were ever given.
"Sometimes I  wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are
putting us on or  by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
 


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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Oct 24 07:39:09 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Oct 24 07:48:13 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: this is long but worth understanding
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Message-ID: <BF826A4D.24FB7%michael@michaelbutler.com>


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From: IHHS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 23:16:57 EDT
To: IHHS@aol.com
Subject: this is long but worth understanding

 
copied 
With Avian flu  fright continually at the forefront of our attention these
days, I think this  article by Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz, will be of interest
to 
most people. It gives  some amazing insights into the background of
vaccination 
and whether there  really is any concern for humans about Avian flu or
whether this is a  politically concocted situation for the benefits of
certain 
interested parties.  Its not the sort of article I usually send out but
because of 
the widespread  public interest in this subject at the moment and supposed
increasing fearful  consequences that we are presented with, I decided to
share 
it with the network.  Its a long article but very interesting reading. You
might want to take a look  at Dr. Horowitz's credentials at the bottom of
the 
email and his website, so as  to see that he is someone with a vast
background in 
this field who seems to be  very well informed and has done a lot of
research 
into the subject and also  written many books on it.
Love and light,  Maggie
Avian Flu  Fright: Politically Timed for Global  "Iatrogenocide"
A Public  Health Warning and Political Essay
by a  Harvard-trained Author of Fifteen Books Including the American
bestseller,Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola-Nature, Accident or Intentional?
Dr. 
Leonard G. Horowitz, DMD, MA, MPH, is an internationally known authority in
the  
overlapping fields of public health, behavioral science, emerging diseases,
and  
bioterrorism 
Abstract 
If avian flu  becomes more than a threatened pandemic, it will have done so
by political and  economic design. This thesis is supported by current
massive 
media  misrepresentations, profiteering on risky and valueless vaccines,
gross 
neglect  of data evidencing earlier similar man-made plaques including SARS,
West Nile  Virus, AIDS and more; continuance of genetic studies breeding
more 
mutant flu  viruses likely to outbreak, inside trading scandals involving
pandemic savvy  White House and drug industry officials, curious immunity of
these 
 pharmaceutical entities over the past century to law enforcement and
mainstream  media scrutiny, and published official depopulation objectives.
With the  
revelations an assertions advanced herein, the public is forewarned against
this  physician assisted mass murder best termed "iatrogenocide."* This
genocidal  imposition is expected to serve mainly economic and political
depopulation 
 objectives. 
Background 
In April, 2003, a  social experiment called SARS, said to have arrived from
Asia, heavily  struck Toronto. I was there throughout most of this Asian
flu-foreshadowing fright. This bizarre new pneumonia-like illness was named
Severe 
Acute Respiratory Syndrome. It was said to be the latest threat in an
ongoing series of attacks on humanity by mysteriousl mutating "supergerms."
A  
careful study of the scientific and medical-sociological correlates and
antecedents of this "outbreak" revealed something amiss far more insidious
than  SARS. I 
critically considered Toronto's media reaction as any Harvard-trained public
health  expert in media persuasion behavioral science might. The scourge had
all the  earmarks of a novel social experiment conducted by white-collar
bioterrorist. 
It seemed clear  to me that this unprecedented population manipulation
effectively indoctrinated  the mass mind in support of a grossly
ineffective, albeit
legislated, public  health response in advance of the arrival of "the Big
One." Throughout the "SARS  Scam,"(1) repeated references were made to
biological 
agents that might  facilitate decimation of approximately a third to half of
the world's  population. Having extensively reviewed political population
control literature  and contemporary objectives of leading global
industrialists, 
I noted these  predictions were in close keeping with current official
population reduction  objectives.(2) Canada's response to SARS in 2003 was,
for the 
first time in  history, directed by the United Nations and World Health
Organization (WHO).  Having reviewed the intimate financial and
administrative ties
between these  organizations, the Rockefeller family, Carnegie Foundation,
and 
the world's  leading drug makers, "the fox," in essence, reigned over
Canada's 
"chickens." 
The truth about  plagues includes the fact that "no grand pandemic ever
evolved divorced from  major socio-political upheaval." SARS advanced a
political 
agenda more than a  public health emergency. If public health officials
earnestly intended to  prevent these new emerging diseases, or successfully
treat 
them at their roots,  I repeated, they would study their obvious origins
from the 
merged  military-medical-biotechnology arena. A basic course in medical
sociology simply  justifies this utilitarian counsel.
"Experts" had  been predicting the arrival of a super-plague for decades.
What was HIGHLY  SUSPICIOUS about the mysterious and terrifying arrival of
SARS, 
however, was its  timing. It synchronously arrived with the global war on
terrorism, and the  Anglo-American war with Iraq. It seemed a convenient
distraction from the fact that the  earlier Bush administration had shipped
Saddam 
Hussein most of his deadly  biological weapons arsenal including anthrax and
West 
Nile Virus. SARS was  pathognomonic (i.e., symptomatic and characteristic)
of 
what I had predicted and  explained in the book, Death in the Air:
Globalism, 
Terrorism and Toxic Warfare  (Tetrahedron Publishing Group, 2001
_http://www.healthyworlddistributing.com_
(http://www.healthyworlddistributing.com/) /), a
prophetically-titled text that predated  the 9-11attacks on America by
several 
months, and provided a contextual analysis of  certain globalists' links to
recent  "outbreaks."
In essence, I  provided insight into the broad application of a new form of
institutionalized  "bioterrorism" consistent with state sponsored biological
warfare. Saddam  Hussein was said to have exposed populations in his and
adjacent lands with  biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction.
SARS and 
the current avian  flu fright is sanctioned by
military-medical-pharmaceutical-petrochemical  industrialists likewise
operating above the law in many
documented  instances.
Having testified  before the U.S. Congress, I personally experienced how
premiere pharmaceutical  industrialists direct our political-economic
representatives in government.  Emerging diseases complement the political
"War on 
Terrorism," and our  bioterror-influenced culture. This agenda serves two
primary 
objectives:  profitability and population-reduction.
Political Reality  Versus Mass-Mediated Myths
The ever  increasing madness around us is eerily consistent with globalist
think tank  recommendations for the current "conflicts short of war."
Beginning 
in the late  1960s, "economic substitutes for standard militarization" were
sought and found  by leading global industrialists. New biological threats,
the 
"war on  terrorism," and increasing numbers of "natural disasters" including
space-based  threats and superstorms were considered economically and
politically expedient  compared with the first and second world wars. These
"conflicts 
short of war"  were decidedly more manageable and economically viable. For
this reason,  especially their profitability, they were leading options
among 
Anglo-American  policy makers.
Nelson  Rockefeller's protege, Henry Kissinger, for instance, as National
Security  Advisor (NSA) under Richard Nixon, oversaw foreign policy while
considering Third World population reduction "necessities" for the U.S.,
Britain, 
Germany, and other allies. This Bush nominee to direct the 9-11  conspiracy
investigation, a reputed war criminal, then selected the option to  have the
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) develop biological weapons, according  to
the U.S. 
Congressional Record of 1975. Among these new man-made biological  weapons
were germs far deadlier than the avian  flu.
For example, by  1968, when Kissinger requested and received updated
intelligence on useful  "synthetic biological agents" for germ warfare and
population 
control, mutant  recombinant flu viruses had just been engineered by Special
Virus Cancer Program  researchers O'Conner, Stewart, Kinard, Rauscher and
others.(3) During this  program, influenza and parainfluenza viruses were
recombined with quick acting  leukemia viruses (acute lymphocytic leukemia)
to deliver 
weapons that  potentially spread cancer, like the flu, by sneezing. These
researchers also  amassed avian cancer (sarcoma) viruses and inoculated them
into 
humans and  monkeys to determine their carcinogenicity. In related efforts,
Raucher et al.  used radiation to enhance avian virus's cancer-causing
potential. These  incredible scientific realities have been officially
censored and 
generally  neglected by the media's mainstream.Similarly, the Institute  of
Science in Society (IoSS) in London raised the genetic engineering question
in the 
origin of  SARS. "Could genetic engineering have contributed inadvertently
to 
creating the  SARS virus?" they asked. "This point was not even considered
by 
the expert  coronavirologists called in to help handle the crisis, now being
feted and woed  by pharmaceutical companies eager to develop vaccines."
Those 
living in glass  houses should not throw stones. The above emphasis is added
to 
show IoSS they  had "not even considered" intentional SARS deployment in
their scientific,  allegedly unbiased, purview.(4)
Conflicts short  of war, like the "War on AIDS," "War on Drugs," "War on
Terrorism," "War on  Cancer," and now "War on the Avian Flu" require
sophisticated 
propaganda  programs employing fear campaigns for social acceptance and
popular support of  legislated policies. These psychological operations
(officially 
termed PSYOPS)  for "command and control warfare" (technically called C2W),
experts advise, best  support the emerging "Revolution in Military Affairs"
(RMA). The RMA's  capabilities include "a form of human slavery" in which
the 
world's captive  populations would not know they are  enslaved.(2)
The RMA  undoubtedly incorporates the use of debilitating biologicals and
chemical agents  most generously on behalf of drug and vaccine makers. A
classic 
example is the  toxic carcinogenic organophosphate pesticides deployed
against 
human  populations, said to target "mosquitoes," in the "War Against the
West 
Nile  Virus." Such"non-lethal warfare" agents, as these are militarily
termed, are  indeed deadly, but mortality results slowly from toxic
exposures 
allowing more  profits to be made by allied pharmaceutical and medical
industrialists. Victims  of the "non-lethal" exposures die slowly from
chronic debilitating
diseases.  Expensive hospitals and long-term care facilities are virtual
concentration  camps. The ailments generated for "iatrogenocide" include the
plethora of  autoimmune diseases and newer cancers virtually non-existent 50
years 
ago.This  fact, alone, strongly suggests a genocidal socio-economic and
political  agenda. 
Avian Flu for  Profit
In response to  SARS, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute in Washington,
Michael Fumento, published an economic  thesis in Toronto related to the one
I 
advance here. The "Super-bug or Super  Scare," he wrote was published in
Canada's National Post. Canadians were warned to "quarantine  themselves,"
wear 
masks, and in some cases stay home. The Ontario Health  Minister declared a
"health emergency," as the media dubbed the "mysterious  killer" a
"super-pneumonia." Recoiling from the hype, Fumento asked and answered  a
few"real questions.
. . How lethal, how transmissible, and how treatable is  this strain?" The
answers, he concluded, "leave no grounds for excitement, much  less panic."
The 
same may be said for this new curse of avian  flu.(1)
Lethal? 
At this writing,  the avian flu is said to have killed "about 65 people" in
Southeast  Asia during the past two years!  Little to no data is available
on 
these individuals who most commonly had  immune-compromising medical
conditions. Further, all deaths were in Asian  countries with questionable
health 
services. Conversely, other forms of flu kill  more than 40,000 North
Americans 
annually, generally the immune-compromised  elderly.
Transmissibile? 
According to USA  Today (October 9, 2005), "European health officials are
working to contain the  [avian flu] virus, which so far has not infected
anyone 
in the region."  Although, allegedly "more than 140 million birds have died
or 
been destroyed, .  . . and financial losses to the poultry sector have
topped 
$10 billion." This  propaganda actually admits, "the current virus, known as
H5N1, has not yet  mutated to the point at which it can easily spread from
person to person." In  fact, it is likely to have never spread from person
to 
person other than during  laboratory handling!(5)
Treatability? 
"The U.S. Senate  has already approved a $3.9 billion package to buy
vaccines 
and antiviral  medications, and the Administration is also preparing a
request for an  additional $6 billion to $10 billion," according to a
current 
BusinessWeek  report.( 6)"Beam me up Scottie, there is no intelligent life
on this 
planet."  This largely explains why the public puts up with this deadly
deception. Even  USA Today bemoans, "there is no human vaccine yet." So how
come the 
U.S. Senate  is rushing to spend all these billions for an avian flu
vaccine? 
I suppose we  should overlook the fact that the current frightening strain
of 
H5N1 avian flu  virus has never readily jumped from human to human, and not
commonly from birds  to humans either. Thus, an effective vaccine can only
be 
prepared by mutating  this virus, thus creating what the world fears most.
Let 
me explain. . .  . 
To make the human  vaccine specific for the H5N1 mutant virus, you must
start 
with the human virus  which does not yet exist, except in perhaps
military-biomedical-pharmaceutical  laboratories. In fact, this is precisely
what is 
being prepared based on news  reports. To produce the human pathogen, the
avian 
virus must be cultured for  lengthy periods of time in human cell cultures,
then 
injected into monkey and  ultimately humans to see if these experimental
subjects get the same feared flu.  Thus, the flu virus the world currently
fears 
most is either: 1) now being  prepared in labs paid by industrialists with
massive wealth-building incentives  to "accidentally" release the virus; or
2) has 
already been prepared in such  labs to take advantage of this current fright
and future sales following the  virus's release.
Remember, to be  effective against a virus, a vaccine is said to require
specificity. If  authorities were to now have the main H5N1 avian flu strain
feared to spread at  some future date there's no assurance by the time they
developed the vaccine the  strain would remain sufficiently the same for the
vaccine 
to be effective anyway  due to expected viral mutations. Viral mutations
over 
time is a function of the  agent's newness. New man-made viruses, laboratory
creations, like the ones  currently being prepared for vaccine trials, are
less 
stable not having evolved  over the millennia. Thus, the entire vaccine
effort is largely, if not entirely,  a sham with ulterior motives.
Remember too,  that a vaccine's reliability requires years, or at least
months, of testing in  the targeted population. Vaccine injury data must, or
should, be meticulously  collected over this period to assure the vaccine is
not 
killing and maiming more  persons than it is helping or saving. Can you
seriously 
believe this assurance  will be provided by government or pharmaceutical
industry officials in this  pandemic's wake? FEMA's failed Katrina response
pails 
by comparison to this  public health liability and vaccine-injury
certainty.I 
say "vaccine-injury  certainty" because of the extensive list of newly
developed vaccinations, highly  touted when brought to market, that caused
horrific 
results. This list includes  the first swine flu vaccine, polio vaccines,
smallpox vaccine, anthrax vaccine,  hepatitis B vaccine, and most recently
Lyme 
disease vaccine that crippled  approximately 750,000 people within months of
its 
release and prior to its  recall by the FDA.
Most people fail  to realize all vaccines carry a list of ingredients that
typically increase  human disease and death (i.e., morbidity and mortality).
These include toxic  elements and chemicals such as mercury, aluminum,
formaldehyde and formalin  (used to preserve corpses), MSG, foreign genetic
material, 
and risky proteins  from various species of bacteria, viruses, and animals
that 
have been  scientifically associated with triggering autoimmune disorders
and 
certain  cancers. A growing body of scientific evidence strongly suggests
vaccines are  largely responsible for increasing cases of autism and other
learning  disabilities, chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, Lupus, MS, ALS,
rheumatoid  
arthritis, asthma, hay fever, allergies, chronic draining ear infections,
type 1 
 autoimmune diabetes, and many, many more pandemics. These chronic ailments
are  said to require long-term medical care for the patients' management
causing  toxic side effects resulting in America's leading
killer--iatrogenic 
disease. That is, vaccines  and other pharmaceutical industry inventions are
literally killing or disabling  millions with little effort on the part of
government 
officials and their drug  industry cohorts to arrest this scourge.
For all we know,  governments are ordering an avian flu vaccine that will
precisely deliver this  pandemic to the world to affect population  control.
Absurd thesis?  Read on.
BusinessWeek  expects avian flu vaccine stockpiling by government officials
will help the  Sanofi-Pasteur company on behalf of Sanofi-Aventis and
Chiron. 
"Tamiflu," it  reported is an antiviral manufactured by Roche, . .
considered 
effective against  avian flu. . . . The U.S. owns enough for 4.3 million
people, with more on order."  BusinessWeek failed to report: 1) Tamiflu's
safety and 
effectiveness has not  been determined in people with other chronic medical
conditions?a significant  percentage of the U.S. population-- and common
side 
effects of this drug include  nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, bronchitis,
stomach 
pain, dizziness, headaches, and  much, much more; 2) Roche (Hoffman-LaRoche)
was found guilty of price fixing the  world's supply of vitamins in 1999 as
part 
of the global  petrochemical/pharmaceutical cartel evolved from
Nazi-Germany's I.G. Farben  organization;(2)(6) and 3) Sanofi-Aventis's
corporate 
colleagues include Merck,  a company that received a lion's share of the
Nazi war chest 
at the end of WWII,  whose earnings plunged after the withdrawal last year
of 
its deadly Vioxx  arthritis drug. According to recent news reports, Merck is
partnering with  Sanofi-Aventis to produce the world's first
sexually-transmitted-cancer vaccine  to be given to prepubescent boys and
girls.(7) Merck is 
infamous for having  developed the first hepatitis B vaccines that triggered
the 
international AIDS  pandemic according to published scientific research and
stunning documents  reprinted in this author's national best-selling
book.(3)(8) 
In the weeks and  months following the 9-11 attacks on America, I traced the
widely publicized  anthrax mailings "mystery" to U.S. Central Intelligence
Agency (CIA)  commissioned biological weapons contractors with ties to
Britain's 
MI6, Porton  Down, and this same Anglo-American pharmaceutical cartel.(9)
The 
anthrax  mailings fanned fears of bioterrorism throughout America and
economically served  primarily vaccine and drug makers with administrative
and 
financial links to  these avian flu profiteers.(10)People willingly
relinquish their 
civil rights  and personal freedoms in the wake of such engineered frights.
The passage of the  infamous "Homeland Security Act" in America, and its
counterpart in Canada, are classic examples of this societal direction,
forced  
legislation, and egregious manipulation.
Why Asia? 
How convenient  that Asia is said to be the origin, as with SARS, of this
latest  plague when Chinese-Anglo-American relations are strained to say the
least.  In the days preceding the emergence of  the first SARS cases,
America 
raced to the Pacific Rim  to impact escalating aggressions on the Korean
peninsula. Communist China--a "most favored" trading partner with America?is
politically allied with several American enemies,  including those said to
possess 
weapons of mass destruction, including Iraq. Coincidental? Not likely when
viewing 
the larger  political picture involving the Ango-American oligarchy's RMA,
its 
global  enterprises, and instigated planet-wide "conflicts short of  war."
Consider also the  fact the media's mainstream has been heavily influenced,
if not entirely  controlled, by multi-national corporate sponsors protecting
and advancing the  interests of a relatively small number of global
entities. 
Also recall that the  focus of news providers, on any given day or hour,
results 
from intelligence  agency directives, according to reputable authorities
including myriad retired  news officials and intelligence officers. So ask
and 
answer the following  intelligent questions:* Why have American military
officials, beginning with  Secretary of Defense William Cohen during the
Clinton 
years, publicized  America's greatest vulnerability lies in the realm of
biological 
weapons wielded  by terrorists? Is this not a form of treason against the
United  States to  relay such sensitive intelligence to potential enemies
through 
the mainstream  press?
* Why does the  mainstream media continue to foretell of the expected
arrival 
of the "Big  One"-an influenza virus that will produce a super-flu that will
kill billions of  people, like the "Spanish flu" did between 1918-19, while
totally disregarding  the individuals,  organizations, and  laboratories
that 
have labored to produce these weapons of mass destruction?  Even the
devastating 
Spanish Flu virus has been, literally, unearthed for  further study and, do
you suppose,  deployment?
* Why was the  "Spanish flu" influenza virus called the "Spanish flu" when
it 
originated, by  historic accounts, in Tibet in 1917? It is said that Spanish
newspapers were the only  ones reporting on the great plague due to their
neutrality over World War I  politics. However, Spain was as dear to America
then 
as Communist China is to the United  States today.  The "Spanish flu" was
named such following two decades of disputes between America and Spain over
colonization of the Caribbean Islands, Hawaii and the Philippines beginning
with the 
Spanish American war that ended in the Philippines in 1902. In fact, the
grand Spanish flu began in military  camps. Does this history appear to be
repeating? 
*Doesn't it make  sense that America is being manipulated, if not targeted,
for the purpose of  advancing globalistic agendas, central among them is
population  reduction?
The "Big  One" 
As mentioned  above, during the 1960s and early 1970s, military biological
weapons contractors  with intimate ties to leading drug industrialists
prepared 
mutants of influenza  and para-influenza viruses recombined with acute
lymphocytic leukemia viruses.  In other words, they stockpiled a quick
spreading 
cancer virus which may also be  deployed. (3)Alternatively, many infectious
disease experts and government  health officials oblivious to this
scientific 
reality say this avian flu might  be the 'Big One." Several days ago, the
United 
Nations released a report that  stated as many as 150 million people
worldwide 
might die from this avian  flu.
Emma Ross of the  Associated Press reported on SARS as the World Health
Organization (WHO)  launched its "crisis plan to attack" the Severe Acute
Respiratory Syndrome. WHO,  as you may recall, is a U.N. sponsored
organization that is
rumored to have  helped spread AIDS to Africa by way  of contaminated
hepatitis B and/or polio vaccinations. There is a reasonable  amount of
evidence to 
support this  contention.(1)
More  disconcerting, the U.N. is known to be heavily influenced by
Rockefeller family  members and their petrochemical-pharmaceutical
interests. History 
shows  Rockefeller fortunes built the U.N. building in New York  City.
During 
WWII, the  Rockefeller family and their Standard Oil Company supported
Hitler 
more than  they did the allies according to court records. One federal judge
ruled  Rockefeller committed "treason" against the United  States.
Following 
WWII, according to attorney John Loftus-an official Nazi war crimes
investigator-Nelson Rockefeller persuaded the U.N.'s South American voting
block  to favor 
Israel's creation only to assure secrecy regarding his support  for the
Nazis. Earlier that century, John D. Rockefeller joined Prescott Bush  and
the 
British Royal Family in sponsoring the eugenics initiatives that gave  rise
to 
Hitler's racial hygiene programs. During the same period the Rockefeller
family 
virtually monopolized American medicine, American pharmaceutics, and the
cancer and genetics industries.(2, 3)Today, the Rockefeller family, its
foundation, U.N. and WHO remain at the forefront of administering
"population  
programs" designed to reduce world populations to more manageable levels. As
per  an 
advertisement in Foreign Affairs?a prestigious political periodical
published  
by the David Rockefeller directed Council on Foreign Relations--the U.S.
population is being targeted for a 50%  reduction.(2)
"We've never  faced anything on this scale with such a global reach," said
Dr. David Heymann,  of the WHO, not regarding the avian flu, but SARS."This
is 
the first time that a  global network of [Rockefeller-directed infectious
disease 'surveillance'  outposts and] laboratories are sharing information,
samples, blood, pictures,"  added Dr. Klaus Stohr, a WHO virologist
coordinating labs 
internationally.  "Basically overnight, there are no secrets, there is no
jealousy, there is no  competition in the face of a global health emergency.
This 
is a phenomenal  network."(1) ____________________
* The term  "iatrogenocide" is derived from the combination of words
"iatrogenesis," meaning  physician induced illness, and "genocide," defined
as the 
mass killing and/or  enslaving of people for economics, politics, and/or
ideology. 
About the Author  - Leonard G. Horowitz, D.M.D., M.A., M.P.H., is an
internationally known  authority in the overlapping fields of public health,
behavioral science,  emerging diseases, and bioterrorism. He received his
doctorate in 
medical  dentistry from Tufts University School of Dental Medicine in 1977,
was awarded a  post-doctoral fellowship in behavioral science at University
of 
Rochester, earned a Master of Public Health degree from Harvard University,
and 
another Master of Arts degree in health education  from Beacon College, all
before joining the research faculty at Harvard. Dr.  Horowitz is best known
for 
his national bestselling book, Emerging Viruses: AIDS  & Ebola - Nature,
Accident or Intentional? (Tetrahedron Press, 1998;  1-888-508-4787) which
recently 
resulted in the United States General Accounting  Office investigating the
man-made origin of AIDS  theory.
(See: _http://www.healingcelebrations.com/gao.htm_
(http://www.healingcelebrations.com/gao.htm) )
Dr. Horowitz's  work in the field of vaccination risk awareness has prompted
at least three Third World nations to change their vaccination policies. His
stunning  testimony before the United States Congress' Government Reform
Committee  literally brought the hearing to a halt. (See:
healingcelebrations.com)
Dr.  Horowitz questioned government health officials regarding a Centers for
Disease  Control and Prevention (CDC) secreted report showing a definitive
link 
between  the mercury ingredient (i.e., Thimerosal), common to most
vaccinations, and the  skyrocketing rates of autism and behavioral disorders
affecting 
our children and  the future of our nation.
Incredibly, Dr.  Horowitz alerted the FBI, in writing and in person, one
week 
before the first  anthrax mailing was announced in the press, that a "major
anthrax fright" was in  the process of unfolding that demanded the FBI's
urgent 
attention. Needless to  say they did not heed Dr. Horowitz's prophetic
warning. 
Moreover, three  months before the September 11 attacks on the World Trade
Center and Pentagon, Dr. Horowitz released his thirteenth book,
prophetically 
titled Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare.  The book
focuses on the West Nile Virus as an act of Bioterrorism, and considers
what and 
who is really behind this and other recent outbreaks. Dr. Horowtiz  argues
that his disclosures expose the roots of global terrorism, along with the
individuals and organizations at the heart of what he calls "the
petrochemical-pharmaceutical cartel". He believes this "multi-national
corporate beast" is in
the process of committing global genocide, profiting from  engineered
frights, 
and at the same time, most efficiently culling targeted  populations
considered excessive. As you may have heard, Senator Patrick Leahy  (D-VT),
Chairman of 
the Senate Judiciary Committee, called for an investigation  into the links
between recent West Nile Virus outbreaks and bioterrorism. Dr.  Horowitz is
among the leading pioneers of this theory. Dr. Horowitz's most  recent book
is 
DNA: Pirates of the Sacred Spiral, a reference text on the  electro-genetics
of 
biology, disease therapy, and human spirituality. This work  also details
links between the anthrax mailings and human genome project heist,  and
leading 
intelligence agency, genetics industry, and pharmaceutical company
officials. 
For more information  about Dr. Horowitz's books, videos, CDs and DVDs link
to<_http://www.healthyworlddistributing.com_
(http://www.healthyworlddistributing.com/)
>_www.healthyworlddistributing.com_
(http://www.healthyworlddistributing.com/)  and<_http://www.tetrahedron.org_
(http://www.tetrahedron.org/)
>_www.tetrahedron.org_ (http://www.tetrahedron.org/) , or by calling
1-888-508-4787. His official  website is<_http://www.drlenhorowitz.com_
(http://www.drlenhorowitz.com/) >_www.drlenhorowitz.com_
(http://www.drlenhorowitz.com/) .
This article was  provided courtesy of Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz and
Tetrahedron Publishing Group.  It's copyright is relinquished for widespread
distribution. 
References: 
1) Horowitz LG. SARS  (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome): A Great Global
Scam. Available  at:<_http://www.healingcelebrations.com/SARS.htm_
(http://www.healingcelebrations.com/SARS.htm) >
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(http://www.healingcelebrations.com/SARS.htm)
2) Horowitz LG.  Death in the Air: Globalism, Terrorism and Toxic Warfare.
Sandpoint, ID: Tetrahedron Publishing Group, (Spring)  2001.
3) Horowitz LG.  Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola, Nature, Accident or
Intentional? Sandpoint, ID: Tetrahedron Publishing Group, (Spring)  2001.
4) The Institute  of Science in Society. SARS and Genetic Engineering?
London, England. Article available at:
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Agents  for 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Oct 24 07:48:03 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Oct 24 07:57:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Good News About 'Pandemic Flu' CAUTION
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CAUTION,
I am not a doctor and neither is 'Chi' who sent this. So read it and check
it out. Might be worthwhile.
Michael

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Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:39:37 -0400

Subject: FW: Good News About 'Pandemic Flu'




>From: Natural Solutions Foundation <rima.laibow@healthfreedomusa.org>
>Reply-To: info@healthfreedomusa.org
>To: chiosceola@hotmail.com
>Subject: Good News About 'Pandemic Flu'
>Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:46:04 -0500 (CDT)
>
>The time is always right to do what is right.
>
>- Martin Luther King Jr.
>Please Pass This Along To Everyone You Care About
>Good News About "Pandemic" Flu!
>How to Protect Yourself and Your Family
>Flu Fear Fighters
>
>
>
>Worried about Avian Flu?  Don't be.  As a physician and a scientist, I want
>to share the best news of this flu season:   You can prevent or treat the
>Avian Flu (IF it develops the ability to infect humans) easily, simply,
>cheaply, safely and naturally.  And I know that there are things you can do
>to make the problem much, much worse.  The choices are yours.  Please share
>what you are about to read with everyone you know.  This information could
>save huge numbers of lives.
>
>
>
>Please remember, though, that this information is not a diagnosis or a
>treatment plan.  It is educational material intended to help you develop
>your own personalized disease prevention or treatment strategy.  You might
>want to consult a nutritional professional or natural physician to help you
>personalize it for you and your family.
>
>How does the Avian Flu do its damage?  Birds (or humans if the virus
>mutates spontaneously - or is mutated in a lab) die because the H5N1 virus
>depletes Vitamin C stores so quickly that the cause of death is fulminate
>scurvy.   Scurvy is the same disease that killed seamen on long voyages
>because unless we get enough Vitamin C from our diet or our supplements, we
>get sick or die.  Humans cannot make Vitamin C but we need it for a great
>many vital processes including immune function and vascular integrity.
>This particular type of virus uses up Vitamin C stores so quickly that the
>immune system is overwhelmed and the blood vessels loose their structural
>integrity: they leak so badly that infected animals literally bleed to
>death through those damaged vessels.
>
>Prevention?  Vitamin C: lots and lots and lots of Vitamin C.  Treatment?
>Lots and lots and lots of vitamin C.
>
>Vitamin C is not toxic.  Under stress (like a viral infection), your need
>for Vitamin C is increased.  When your body has had enough, your body will
>tell you by soft stools or diarrhea. This is not a sign of toxicity: it is
>a sign that you have reached "Bowel Tolerance" (BT).  Once you get there
>(and it can be at 1 gram or 20 grams: your body will tell you), cut back to
>75% of the dose that represents BT for you and keep taking that dose EVERY
>DAY.
>
>Write down each of the 4 daily doses of Vitamin C that you take each day
>because you will be increasing your         intake gradually until you find
>the amount that you need for immune support.  This dosage information is
>              important enough that it could literally save your life so it
>is worth taking the time to record this information         carefully and
>stick to the dosing schedule precisely.  If you mess up, don't quit, but do
>make your best effort         to stick to it.
>
>         You will start with 1 gram per dose so, for example, on Day 1,
>suppose that you take 1000 mg (= 1 gram) of         Vitamin C every 4 hours
>for a total of 4 grams.  On Day 2, increase the first dose to 2 grams and
>then take 1         gram for your other 3 doses.  (You will take 4 doses
>per day).  On day 3, take 2 grams for your first and                 second
>doses and 1 gram for the remaining two doses.  On Day 3, you would take 2
>grams for the first three             doses and 1 gram for the next dose.
>You would continue increasing your dosage in that way until your body
>       lets you know via your GI tract that you've reach the level you
>need.  Now multiply that total daily dose by             0.75 and you've
>got your daily dose.
>
>For example, suppose you reach Bowel Tolerance at 10 doses.  Multiply by
>0.75 and you now know that you need 7.5 grams of Vitamin C a day for immune
>system support.  You would do well to take reasonable doses of Vitamins E
>and A along with Zinc and reduced L-Glutathione since they work together
>with Vitamin C.  How much?  That depends upon your weight, health, etc.  I
>would also recommend that you take a good Multivitamin along with the
>preventive levels of Vitamin C described above.  The Multivitamins I
>recommend have so much in them that a full adult dose requires 6 capsules
>or tablets to get all the nutrients in.  A single multivitamin cap is just
>not potent enough to provide serious immune support, no matter what the
>company tells you.
>
>And I hope it goes without saying that the more processed foods you eat,
>the more chemicals, flavors, preservatives, pesticides, sugar and
>artificial sweeteners, in short, the more junk you put into your body, the
>more acidic your body will be and the less resistant to viral infection it
>will be.  So now would be a great time to switch over to a diet rich in
>fruits, dark and brightly colored veggies, free range animal protein and
>organic everything.  Those are food choices that build your immune
>capacity, not bang it around.
>
>Selenium blocks deadly mutations in the Avian Flu virus (J American College
>Nutrition 20: 38488S, 2001; FASEB Journal 15: 184648, 2001; Journal
>Nutrition 133: 146367S, 2003) while elderberry syrup has been shown to be
>an effective flu remedy (J International Med Research 32:13240, 2004;
>Israeli Medical Assoc Journal 4:91922, 2002; European Cytokine Network
>12:2906, 2001; J Alternative Complement Medicine 1:3619, 1995).  Garlic is
>a highly effective anti viral substance which should be part of your diet
>(Planta Medica 58:41723, 1992).
>
>Children's doses should be titrated the same way taking the weight of the
>child into account.
>
>That part is important: this part is even more important: at the very first
>indication of anything that might be viral disease, increase your Vitamin C
>immediately.  DO NOT WAIT TO SEE IF THINGS GET WORSE!  INCREASE YOUR
>VITAMIN C TO YOUR NEW BOWEL TOLERANCE LEVEL.  That level might be very,
>very high.  Vitamin C is not toxic.  Unlike drugs, which poison enzymes and
>are thus capable of severe toxicity, nutrients, especially water soluble
>ones like Vitamin C, have no meaningful level of toxicity.  Your body knows
>what you need.  Pay close attention to it.
>
>In the event that you think you may have the flu, take the amino acids
>l-lysine, l-proline and l-glycine.  An average size adult can take up to 3
>grams of each one 4 times a day since they help prevent the spread of the
>virus in your body.
>
>My personal regimen for immune health includes high dose Vitamin C and
>Vitamins A and E along with zinc and L-Glutathione:
>
>I travel with Olive Leaf Extract, Oil of Oregano (not to be taken by
>pregnant women since it can cause abortions), goldenseal, Echinacea,
>curcumin (from turmeric), probiotics, B complex, fish oil and alpha lipoic
>acid.  I drink organic green tea and I do not eat any sugar whatsoever.
>
>If you do become ill, the best thing you can do is contact a physician who
>practices natural and nutritional medicine and begin a regimen of
>Intravenous Vitamin C treatments (you may need between 100 and 200 grams
>(not milligrams) for a short time since the Avian Flu is so good at using
>up your urgently needed Vitamin C.
>
>Here's what not to do:
>
>Do not take Tamiflu (oseltamivir).  The widely touted antiviral drug (like
>its cousin Relenza or zanamivir) produced drug resistant viruses in 18% of
>children treated with the drug and a drug resistant strain has been found
>in a Vietnamese girl treated with the drug.  A drug resistant strain would
>be a far more dangerous virus than one which had not learned how to evade
>the drug's effect.  Viruses can not become resistant to Vitamin C.
>
>Do not take FluMist
>
>FluMist is a live virus vaccine which introduces between 10 and 100 million
>viruses into the nose. Those viruses are not the same as the Avian Flu and
>therefore do not confer immunity against it since only the identical virus
>could do that.  FluMist is based on last years viruses which were not
>effective against last year's viruses.  They are certainly not effective
>against the Avian Flu virus which has not yet become infective to humans so
>no vaccine exists against it in its infective form.
>
>However, once treated with FluMist, people shed live, infective viruses for
>up to 3 weeks which can give people flu In fact, immuno-compromised people,
>nursing babies, people with eczema, HIV, taking steroids, chemotherapy,
>radiation treatment (or the 60% of the American population which is
>chemically immuno-suppressed) are at significant danger if they come into
>contact with anyone who has been inoculated with FluMist.
>
>FluMist is delivered into the nostrils by a forceful squirt. This puts
>infective viruses very close to the brain where they can pass through the
>thin cribiform plate at the top of the nostrils and enter the brain.  It is
>not known if such treatment causes encephalitis.  Only time will tell but
>the risk is a serious one considering the morbidity (sickness) and
>mortality (death) caused by encephalitis.
>
>Each of the three viruses in FluMist can mutate and can cause mutations in
>the Avian Flu.  Those mutations can supply the Avian Flu virus as it
>currently exists with the genetic sequences it needs to become a pandemic
>virus.  The FluMist live virus nasal inoculation can assist the much feared
>Avian Flu virus to transform into the very pandemic we are being told to
>fear
>
>Flu Vaccines for a pandemic version of the Avian Flu do not exist.  The
>only way to make a vaccine against a particular virus is to have the virus
>available and then make a toxic brew filled with poisons (mercury,
>aluminum, squalene), foreign particles (egg, chick, and other proteins) and
>contaminants (stealth viruses, etc.)That flu virus does not yet exist, we
>are told.  Assuming that it is not already manufactured and waiting for
>release in a lab somewhere, it would be 6 months before an Avian Flu
>vaccine could be ready.  Vaccination with anything else would not help a
>bit with the Avian Flu strain which we are supposedly facing disaster from.
>
>But, assuming that we already had a vaccine for the right flu strain, and
>assuming that vaccines were safe enough to use (which I do not believe they
>are since vaccines are very dangerous treatments which should be approached
>with the gravest reservations) the fact is that they do not produce
>immunity most of the time.  We have been ballyhooed and mislead about the
>efficacy and safety of vaccination.
>
>It is neither efficacious nor safe.  And to ask the American people to
>submit to vaccinations which are infective (because they spread live
>vaccines), ineffective (because they are not vaccines against the real
>danger which does not exist yet and vaccines take 6 months to make) and
>dangerous (disease rises sharply with vaccination) and for which
>manufacturer liability is being removed is not good medicine, good policy
>or good sense.
>
>Please safeguard your life and that of your loved ones.  Pass this
>information to everyone you know so that they can delve further and make
>their own choices.
>
>And please visit www.HealthFreedomUSA.org to sign to new Citizen's Petition
>which contains the Revised Vitamin and Mineral Guideline which can make the
>US Codex Compliant and preserve your rights to optimal health through
>nutrition.  If you have signed it before, you can sign it again since the
>original Citizen's Petition has been revised.
>
>Yours in health and freedom,
>
>Rima E. Laibow, MD
>
>Medical Director
>
>Natural Solutions Foundation/*Your email ID. <diaEmailID='47383743'
>thread=6785/>--*/



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From sherwin at aceross.com  Mon Oct 24 07:54:37 2005
From: sherwin at aceross.com (Sherwin Ross)
Date: Mon Oct 24 08:02:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Good News About 'Pandemic Flu' CAUTION
In-Reply-To: <BF826C63.24FBF%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20051024145450.BFA1C2373D8@lax-gw01.mroute.net>

Thank you!

-----Original Message-----
From: mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com
[mailto:mb-hair-bounces@islandlists.com] On Behalf Of Michael Butler
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:48 AM
To: Civic; HAIR List
Subject: [Mb-hair] FW: Good News About 'Pandemic Flu' CAUTION

CAUTION,
I am not a doctor and neither is 'Chi' who sent this. So read it and check
it out. Might be worthwhile.
Michael

------ Forwarded Message
From: "ernesto ciccarelli" <chiosceola@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:39:37 -0400

Subject: FW: Good News About 'Pandemic Flu'




>From: Natural Solutions Foundation <rima.laibow@healthfreedomusa.org>
>Reply-To: info@healthfreedomusa.org
>To: chiosceola@hotmail.com
>Subject: Good News About 'Pandemic Flu'
>Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:46:04 -0500 (CDT)
>
>The time is always right to do what is right.
>
>- Martin Luther King Jr.
>Please Pass This Along To Everyone You Care About
>Good News About "Pandemic" Flu!
>How to Protect Yourself and Your Family
>Flu Fear Fighters
>
>
>
>Worried about Avian Flu?  Don't be.  As a physician and a scientist, I want
>to share the best news of this flu season:   You can prevent or treat the
>Avian Flu (IF it develops the ability to infect humans) easily, simply,
>cheaply, safely and naturally.  And I know that there are things you can do
>to make the problem much, much worse.  The choices are yours.  Please share
>what you are about to read with everyone you know.  This information could
>save huge numbers of lives.
>
>
>
>Please remember, though, that this information is not a diagnosis or a
>treatment plan.  It is educational material intended to help you develop
>your own personalized disease prevention or treatment strategy.  You might
>want to consult a nutritional professional or natural physician to help you
>personalize it for you and your family.
>
>How does the Avian Flu do its damage?  Birds (or humans if the virus
>mutates spontaneously - or is mutated in a lab) die because the H5N1 virus
>depletes Vitamin C stores so quickly that the cause of death is fulminate
>scurvy.   Scurvy is the same disease that killed seamen on long voyages
>because unless we get enough Vitamin C from our diet or our supplements, we
>get sick or die.  Humans cannot make Vitamin C but we need it for a great
>many vital processes including immune function and vascular integrity.
>This particular type of virus uses up Vitamin C stores so quickly that the
>immune system is overwhelmed and the blood vessels loose their structural
>integrity: they leak so badly that infected animals literally bleed to
>death through those damaged vessels.
>
>Prevention?  Vitamin C: lots and lots and lots of Vitamin C.  Treatment?
>Lots and lots and lots of vitamin C.
>
>Vitamin C is not toxic.  Under stress (like a viral infection), your need
>for Vitamin C is increased.  When your body has had enough, your body will
>tell you by soft stools or diarrhea. This is not a sign of toxicity: it is
>a sign that you have reached "Bowel Tolerance" (BT).  Once you get there
>(and it can be at 1 gram or 20 grams: your body will tell you), cut back to
>75% of the dose that represents BT for you and keep taking that dose EVERY
>DAY.
>
>Write down each of the 4 daily doses of Vitamin C that you take each day
>because you will be increasing your         intake gradually until you find
>the amount that you need for immune support.  This dosage information is
>              important enough that it could literally save your life so it
>is worth taking the time to record this information         carefully and
>stick to the dosing schedule precisely.  If you mess up, don't quit, but do
>make your best effort         to stick to it.
>
>         You will start with 1 gram per dose so, for example, on Day 1,
>suppose that you take 1000 mg (= 1 gram) of         Vitamin C every 4 hours
>for a total of 4 grams.  On Day 2, increase the first dose to 2 grams and
>then take 1         gram for your other 3 doses.  (You will take 4 doses
>per day).  On day 3, take 2 grams for your first and                 second
>doses and 1 gram for the remaining two doses.  On Day 3, you would take 2
>grams for the first three             doses and 1 gram for the next dose.
>You would continue increasing your dosage in that way until your body
>       lets you know via your GI tract that you've reach the level you
>need.  Now multiply that total daily dose by             0.75 and you've
>got your daily dose.
>
>For example, suppose you reach Bowel Tolerance at 10 doses.  Multiply by
>0.75 and you now know that you need 7.5 grams of Vitamin C a day for immune
>system support.  You would do well to take reasonable doses of Vitamins E
>and A along with Zinc and reduced L-Glutathione since they work together
>with Vitamin C.  How much?  That depends upon your weight, health, etc.  I
>would also recommend that you take a good Multivitamin along with the
>preventive levels of Vitamin C described above.  The Multivitamins I
>recommend have so much in them that a full adult dose requires 6 capsules
>or tablets to get all the nutrients in.  A single multivitamin cap is just
>not potent enough to provide serious immune support, no matter what the
>company tells you.
>
>And I hope it goes without saying that the more processed foods you eat,
>the more chemicals, flavors, preservatives, pesticides, sugar and
>artificial sweeteners, in short, the more junk you put into your body, the
>more acidic your body will be and the less resistant to viral infection it
>will be.  So now would be a great time to switch over to a diet rich in
>fruits, dark and brightly colored veggies, free range animal protein and
>organic everything.  Those are food choices that build your immune
>capacity, not bang it around.
>
>Selenium blocks deadly mutations in the Avian Flu virus (J American College
>Nutrition 20: 38488S, 2001; FASEB Journal 15: 184648, 2001; Journal
>Nutrition 133: 146367S, 2003) while elderberry syrup has been shown to be
>an effective flu remedy (J International Med Research 32:13240, 2004;
>Israeli Medical Assoc Journal 4:91922, 2002; European Cytokine Network
>12:2906, 2001; J Alternative Complement Medicine 1:3619, 1995).  Garlic is
>a highly effective anti viral substance which should be part of your diet
>(Planta Medica 58:41723, 1992).
>
>Children's doses should be titrated the same way taking the weight of the
>child into account.
>
>That part is important: this part is even more important: at the very first
>indication of anything that might be viral disease, increase your Vitamin C
>immediately.  DO NOT WAIT TO SEE IF THINGS GET WORSE!  INCREASE YOUR
>VITAMIN C TO YOUR NEW BOWEL TOLERANCE LEVEL.  That level might be very,
>very high.  Vitamin C is not toxic.  Unlike drugs, which poison enzymes and
>are thus capable of severe toxicity, nutrients, especially water soluble
>ones like Vitamin C, have no meaningful level of toxicity.  Your body knows
>what you need.  Pay close attention to it.
>
>In the event that you think you may have the flu, take the amino acids
>l-lysine, l-proline and l-glycine.  An average size adult can take up to 3
>grams of each one 4 times a day since they help prevent the spread of the
>virus in your body.
>
>My personal regimen for immune health includes high dose Vitamin C and
>Vitamins A and E along with zinc and L-Glutathione:
>
>I travel with Olive Leaf Extract, Oil of Oregano (not to be taken by
>pregnant women since it can cause abortions), goldenseal, Echinacea,
>curcumin (from turmeric), probiotics, B complex, fish oil and alpha lipoic
>acid.  I drink organic green tea and I do not eat any sugar whatsoever.
>
>If you do become ill, the best thing you can do is contact a physician who
>practices natural and nutritional medicine and begin a regimen of
>Intravenous Vitamin C treatments (you may need between 100 and 200 grams
>(not milligrams) for a short time since the Avian Flu is so good at using
>up your urgently needed Vitamin C.
>
>Here's what not to do:
>
>Do not take Tamiflu (oseltamivir).  The widely touted antiviral drug (like
>its cousin Relenza or zanamivir) produced drug resistant viruses in 18% of
>children treated with the drug and a drug resistant strain has been found
>in a Vietnamese girl treated with the drug.  A drug resistant strain would
>be a far more dangerous virus than one which had not learned how to evade
>the drug's effect.  Viruses can not become resistant to Vitamin C.
>
>Do not take FluMist
>
>FluMist is a live virus vaccine which introduces between 10 and 100 million
>viruses into the nose. Those viruses are not the same as the Avian Flu and
>therefore do not confer immunity against it since only the identical virus
>could do that.  FluMist is based on last years viruses which were not
>effective against last year's viruses.  They are certainly not effective
>against the Avian Flu virus which has not yet become infective to humans so
>no vaccine exists against it in its infective form.
>
>However, once treated with FluMist, people shed live, infective viruses for
>up to 3 weeks which can give people flu In fact, immuno-compromised people,
>nursing babies, people with eczema, HIV, taking steroids, chemotherapy,
>radiation treatment (or the 60% of the American population which is
>chemically immuno-suppressed) are at significant danger if they come into
>contact with anyone who has been inoculated with FluMist.
>
>FluMist is delivered into the nostrils by a forceful squirt. This puts
>infective viruses very close to the brain where they can pass through the
>thin cribiform plate at the top of the nostrils and enter the brain.  It is
>not known if such treatment causes encephalitis.  Only time will tell but
>the risk is a serious one considering the morbidity (sickness) and
>mortality (death) caused by encephalitis.
>
>Each of the three viruses in FluMist can mutate and can cause mutations in
>the Avian Flu.  Those mutations can supply the Avian Flu virus as it
>currently exists with the genetic sequences it needs to become a pandemic
>virus.  The FluMist live virus nasal inoculation can assist the much feared
>Avian Flu virus to transform into the very pandemic we are being told to
>fear
>
>Flu Vaccines for a pandemic version of the Avian Flu do not exist.  The
>only way to make a vaccine against a particular virus is to have the virus
>available and then make a toxic brew filled with poisons (mercury,
>aluminum, squalene), foreign particles (egg, chick, and other proteins) and
>contaminants (stealth viruses, etc.)That flu virus does not yet exist, we
>are told.  Assuming that it is not already manufactured and waiting for
>release in a lab somewhere, it would be 6 months before an Avian Flu
>vaccine could be ready.  Vaccination with anything else would not help a
>bit with the Avian Flu strain which we are supposedly facing disaster from.
>
>But, assuming that we already had a vaccine for the right flu strain, and
>assuming that vaccines were safe enough to use (which I do not believe they
>are since vaccines are very dangerous treatments which should be approached
>with the gravest reservations) the fact is that they do not produce
>immunity most of the time.  We have been ballyhooed and mislead about the
>efficacy and safety of vaccination.
>
>It is neither efficacious nor safe.  And to ask the American people to
>submit to vaccinations which are infective (because they spread live
>vaccines), ineffective (because they are not vaccines against the real
>danger which does not exist yet and vaccines take 6 months to make) and
>dangerous (disease rises sharply with vaccination) and for which
>manufacturer liability is being removed is not good medicine, good policy
>or good sense.
>
>Please safeguard your life and that of your loved ones.  Pass this
>information to everyone you know so that they can delve further and make
>their own choices.
>
>And please visit www.HealthFreedomUSA.org to sign to new Citizen's Petition
>which contains the Revised Vitamin and Mineral Guideline which can make the
>US Codex Compliant and preserve your rights to optimal health through
>nutrition.  If you have signed it before, you can sign it again since the
>original Citizen's Petition has been revised.
>
>Yours in health and freedom,
>
>Rima E. Laibow, MD
>
>Medical Director
>
>Natural Solutions Foundation/*Your email ID. <diaEmailID='47383743'
>thread=6785/>--*/



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From michael at intrafi.com  Mon Oct 24 08:35:17 2005
From: michael at intrafi.com (michael@intrafi.com)
Date: Mon Oct 24 08:43:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] NYTimes.com: How Scary Is This?
Message-ID: <20051024153517.E1CAB83F4A@lax-gw03.mroute.net>

This page was sent to you by: michael@intrafi.com.

DO READ THIS-Michael


OPINION | October 24, 2005
Op-Ed Columnist: How Scary Is This?
By BOB HERBERT
If nothing is done about the current state of affairs and the incompetence of the government, things are going to get much worse.
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From swiggard at comcast.net  Mon Oct 24 15:41:09 2005
From: swiggard at comcast.net (swiggard@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Oct 24 15:48:53 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: "Good News" About 'Pandemic Flu': MD's point of view
Message-ID: <380-220051012422419680@M2W046.mail2web.com>

Hello all -

Speaking as a physician - and an Infectious Diseases specialist - I must
say that this is potentially dangerous and misleading nonsense. There is no
evidence that high dose vitamin C gives any protection against any kind of
influenza.

Thus far, H5N1 influenza has only been spread to humans from infected birds
with whom the infected people have had close contact.  Human to human
spread has not yet occurred, although it is a THEORETICAL concern.  A
vaccine for H5N1 is under development and is close to the mass production
stage - and that would be BY FAR the most effective prevention, IF human to
human spread develops.  Next best would be oseltamivir (Tamiflu), which can
be used as "chemoprophylaxis" to prevent disease in people who are not or
cannot be immunized with a vaccine.   But Tamiflu must be taken during the
entire period of potential exposure, and not enough doses exist in
government stockpiles.  NIH is developing a program to encourage the
manufacturer to increase production.

The press has whipped up this Avian Flu story into hysteria.  Much more
concerning to most of us should be the fact that about 30,000 Americans die
every year from "usual" influenza (dwarfing our losses in Iraq).  Most of
those deaths are preventable.  The influenza vaccine works, and it is very
safe, and this year we should see no production problems like last year. 

If anyone wants to learn more, the CDC website (http://www.cdc.gov) is a
wealth of good, factually correct and medically sound information.

Be well -
Bill

>From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
>Reply-To: mb-civic@islandlists.com
>To: Civic <mb-civic@islandlists.com>, HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Subject: [Mb-civic] FW: Good News About 'Pandemic Flu' CAUTION
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:48:03 -0400
>
>CAUTION,
>I am not a doctor and neither is 'Chi' who sent this. So read it and check
>it out. Might be worthwhile.
>Michael
>
>

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From peacefreak at metrocast.net  Mon Oct 24 16:19:43 2005
From: peacefreak at metrocast.net (Leo)
Date: Mon Oct 24 16:27:23 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at UVM
References: <200510241900.j9OJ0EtR027953@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <002601c5d8f1$6a68d3e0$6401a8c0@Leo>

The University of Vermont (UVM) is performing HAIR for 2 weekends starting 
November 9th. I've been aware of this for about 2 months now so last 
Thursday I called their box office to order 3 tickets. I was told several of 
their shows had already sold out and if we wanted the 3 seats together there 
were only 2 shows at which we could do that; other than that we could get 2 
seats together but the third seat would be apart from that couple. 
Unfortunately, I was calling from work so I didn't have my credit card with 
me and the box office was closed by the time I got home. So first thing 
Friday morning I called my son, who had attended post grad school there and 
still lives in Burlington, and asked him to hike over to the box office so 
he could get a look at the seating plan and reserve us tickets accordingly. 
As it turned out, we got the last 3 tickets period!!!! They're all apart 
from one another but we got em!! So their complete run is sold out and I 
understand the theatre seats about 310. Moral of the story: If you know 
about a HAIR production months in advance, order your tickets 
immediately.Today I feel grateful to have gotten these 3 tix and I certainly 
feel like it was meant to be.

PEACE,
Leo 


From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 24 18:28:39 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 24 18:36:22 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at UVM
References: <200510241900.j9OJ0EtR027953@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
	<002601c5d8f1$6a68d3e0$6401a8c0@Leo>
Message-ID: <001501c5d903$6dad2440$f1476c42@hotprojects>

god bless those wonderful kids
jesus buddha great spirit wish them a brilliant performance
break a leg university of vermont
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leo" <peacefreak@metrocast.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:19 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] HAIR at UVM


> The University of Vermont (UVM) is performing HAIR for 2 weekends starting
> November 9th. I've been aware of this for about 2 months now so last
> Thursday I called their box office to order 3 tickets. I was told several
of
> their shows had already sold out and if we wanted the 3 seats together
there
> were only 2 shows at which we could do that; other than that we could get
2
> seats together but the third seat would be apart from that couple.
> Unfortunately, I was calling from work so I didn't have my credit card
with
> me and the box office was closed by the time I got home. So first thing
> Friday morning I called my son, who had attended post grad school there
and
> still lives in Burlington, and asked him to hike over to the box office so
> he could get a look at the seating plan and reserve us tickets
accordingly.
> As it turned out, we got the last 3 tickets period!!!! They're all apart
> from one another but we got em!! So their complete run is sold out and I
> understand the theatre seats about 310. Moral of the story: If you know
> about a HAIR production months in advance, order your tickets
> immediately.Today I feel grateful to have gotten these 3 tix and I
certainly
> feel like it was meant to be.
>
> PEACE,
> Leo
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Mon Oct 24 18:43:11 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Mon Oct 24 18:50:55 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: "Good News" About 'Pandemic Flu': MD's point of view
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV1005457DCB03E7AF29A1C6AB760@phx.gbl>

Thank you Bill.... your word I trust... :-)

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: swiggard@comcast.net
Sent: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:41:09 -0700
To: MB-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] RE: "Good News" About 'Pandemic Flu': MD's point of view

Hello all -

Speaking as a physician - and an Infectious Diseases specialist - I must
say that this is potentially dangerous and misleading nonsense. There is no
evidence that high dose vitamin C gives any protection against any kind of
influenza.

Thus far, H5N1 influenza has only been spread to humans from infected birds
with whom the infected people have had close contact.  Human to human
spread has not yet occurred, although it is a THEORETICAL concern.  A
vaccine for H5N1 is under development and is close to the mass production
stage - and that would be BY FAR the most effective prevention, IF human to
human spread develops.  Next best would be oseltamivir (Tamiflu), which can
be used as "chemoprophylaxis" to prevent disease in people who are not or
cannot be immunized with a vaccine.   But Tamiflu must be taken during the
entire period of potential exposure, and not enough doses exist in
government stockpiles.  NIH is developing a program to encourage the
manufacturer to increase production.

The press has whipped up this Avian Flu story into hysteria.  Much more
concerning to most of us should be the fact that about 30,000 Americans die
every year from "usual" influenza (dwarfing our losses in Iraq).  Most of
those deaths are preventable.  The influenza vaccine works, and it is very
safe, and this year we should see no production problems like last year. 

If anyone wants to learn more, the CDC website (http://www.cdc.gov) is a
wealth of good, factually correct and medically sound information.

Be well -
Bill

>From: Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com>
>Reply-To: mb-civic@islandlists.com
>To: Civic <mb-civic@islandlists.com>, HAIR List <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>Subject: [Mb-civic] FW: Good News About 'Pandemic Flu' CAUTION
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 10:48:03 -0400
>
>CAUTION,
>I am not a doctor and neither is 'Chi' who sent this. So read it and check
>it out. Might be worthwhile.
>Michael
>
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From lilacamy11 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 08:48:36 2005
From: lilacamy11 at yahoo.com (Amy Kazan)
Date: Tue Oct 25 08:56:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Idea for the group
Message-ID: <20051025154836.50518.qmail@web34510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Another mailing list I'm in uses this web site to show
a map with all the members... it's kinda cool to see
where everyone is from!

just an idea for Nina or someone to set up:)

www.frappr.com

-Amy

- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the musical)


	
		
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From mblaxill at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 09:45:29 2005
From: mblaxill at yahoo.com (Mike Blaxill)
Date: Tue Oct 25 09:53:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] the Da Libby Code
Message-ID: <20051025164529.60436.qmail@web53004.mail.yahoo.com>

The Da Libby 
By Bruce Kluger and David Slavin.

 "You went to jail in the summer. It is fall now.
You will have stories to cover -- Iraqi elections
and suicide bombers, biological threats and the
Iranian nuclear program. Out west, where you
vacation, the aspens will already be turning.
They turn in clusters, because their roots
connect them.  Come back to work -- and life." 
-- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, in jailhouse letter
to Judy Miller

Of all the mind-numbing details surrounding the
Valerie Plame-CIA leak investigation, the most
perplexing is a letter sent to jailed New York
Times reporter Judy Miller by Vice Presidential
Chief of Staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby. Tender,
picturesque and, at moments, downright poetic,
the text continues to be picked apart by
political pundits, who remain convinced that the
language is coded.

It is. As the millions of readers of Dan Brown's
bestseller, The Da Vinci Code, already know,
sometimes words carry deeper meaning when they're
unscrambled. And just like with any crime, an
anagram is at its most effective when it's
letter-perfect.

"You went to jail in the summer" = "Name me to
the jury? Not! Lie with us."
Clearly an appeal for Miller to remain mum about
revealing her source of the Plame leak, here
Libby is frank and unrepentant. He is also
clever, using a double-entendre ("lie") to
describe both the practice of deceit, and that of
lying down with dogs. Touch?!

"You will have stories to cover" = "I serve
wealthy virtuoso. Cool!"
In a surprisingly audacious implication of his
boss, Libby appears glib in alluding to Vice
President Dick Cheney's wealth and cunning. Was
Halliburton involved in the Plame fiasco? Does
Libby's use of the word "cool" also implicate
Harriet Miers? Reporters swoon.

"Suicide bombers, biological threats" =
"Diabolical bores obscure mightiest."
A bombshell. One needn't be a Watergate historian
to know that scandals quickly unravel once the
mastermind is named. Here Libby not only
implicates President Bush as the brains behind
the Plame operation, but also acknowledges his
utter disdain for his colleagues. Witness for the
prosecution, perhaps?

"The Iranian nuclear program" = "Plame? An
Antiguan error."
At first blush, the implication seems
preposterous. And yet some of America's greatest
historical embarrassments boasted a Caribbean
connection. The slave trade. The Bay of Pigs.
Ricky Martin. The notion that the bungled Plame
operation originated off-shore sends
investigators into a frenzy as they "follow the
money." Tom DeLay immediately goes into hiding.

"Out west, where you vacation" = "He can't waver.
You owe it to us."
A blatant reference to the need for Karl Rove to
maintain his innocence, this Libby remark
encourages Miller to do the same. It also plays
on her guilt. Why does she "owe" them? Is it
because she was the only embedded reporter in
Iraq with 400-count sheets and a masseuse? The
questions, the questions...

"Aspens will already be turning" = "Willingness
and pure betrayal."
The two tenets of any undercover operation, this
mob-like slogan is rumored to be tattooed on
Libby's chest. But why taunt Miller with it? Was
she really involved? Has she seen the tattoo? How
deep does this thing go?!

"They turn in clusters" = "The scrutiny! Let's
run!"
Growing increasingly desperate, Libby reveals a
possible plot twist. Could his allusion to a
joint flight indicate a romantic relationship
between politico and prisoner? Us Weekly jumps on
the story.

"Their roots connect them" = "Them rich neo-cons
totter."
A skillful ploy: Is Libby revealing that the
Plame cover-up is falling apart -- or does he
just want to make her believe that it is? Either
way, the us-them tactic is inspired.

"Come back to work -- and life." = "No trace of
WMD. I leak, OK? (BC.)" 
Apparently under enormous pressure, Libby now
falls apart, confessing not only to his
involvement in Plamegate, but also to the events
that precipitated it. Sadly, the parenthetical at
the end of his message reveals the
Administration's standard operating procedure in
times of trouble: When in doubt, blame the guy
who came before you.

Bruce Kluger and David Slavin write satire for
National Public Radio's "All Things Considered."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-kluger/the-da-libby-code_b_9330.html
From mblaxill at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 25 14:03:32 2005
From: mblaxill at yahoo.com (Mike Blaxill)
Date: Tue Oct 25 14:11:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Indictments Tomorrow
Message-ID: <20051025210332.25781.qmail@web53012.mail.yahoo.com>

and a merry Fitzmas to all!!
from the Washington Note

October 25, 2005
Indictments Coming Tomorrow; Targets Received
Letters Today

An uber-insider source has just reported the
following to TWN:

1. 1-5 indictments are being issued. The source
feels that it will be towards the higher end.

2. The targets of indictment have already
received their letters.

3. The indictments will be sealed indictments and
"filed" tomorrow.

4. A press conference is being scheduled for
Thursday.

The shoe is dropping.

More soon.

-- Steve Clemons

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001031.html


From jameshburns at webtv.net  Tue Oct 25 23:01:23 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Tue Oct 25 23:10:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Free NASA Exhibit--Pratt Manhattan Gallery
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Tue, 25 Oct 2005
	12:00:11 -0700
Message-ID: <27393-435F1BB3-2078@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net>


One of the nice governmental legacies from the '60s, is our space
program. For those of you with easy access to Manhattan, this might be
fun:

 
"Aerospace Design: The Art of Engineering From NASA's Aeronautical
Research" 

Pratt Manhattan Gallery, 144 W. 14th St.? 

This display of more than 100 artifacts from NASA, many of them seen
here for the first time, runs through December 17.? 

Check out www.pratt.edu/exhibitions for more information.? 


From jameshburns at webtv.net  Tue Oct 25 23:20:49 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Tue Oct 25 23:29:38 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] It Is Better To Light A Candle
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Tue, 25 Oct 2005
	12:00:11 -0700
Message-ID: <27393-435F2041-2080@storefull-3271.bay.webtv.net>

 
There are vigils planned, for Wednesday evening, at 6:30, to mark the
passing of our 2000th citizen, in Iraq... 

Many of us won't be able to make it... 

But I'm reminded of what a  friend sent me, after 9/11.  One night--was
it that Friday?--Americans were urged to light a candle, on their front
step. 

It's pointless to compare the character, or magnitude, of different
tragedies. 

To me, 9/11 was an unprecedented assault that still hasn't been properly
resonded to. 

And, to the disagreement of many of you, I believe in the use of
military force--at least as a final resort. 

But the incompetence with which this administration has put my
neighbors' sons and daughters in harms' way, with a strategy based on
mendacity, has-- 

What was that phrase J.F.K. sometimes invoked? 

'Given me thoughts, too deep for tears. 

And I like what Mike told me about, four years ago. 

So, just a thought... 

Those of you with access... 

Perhaps, later today, at 6:30, light a candle, on 
your stoop, or windowsill... 

Jim Burns 

From fotoblue at flash.net  Thu Oct 27 21:12:21 2005
From: fotoblue at flash.net (fotoblue@flash.net)
Date: Thu Oct 27 21:21:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] sings of the times - wickedly funny
Message-ID: <380-220051052841221180@M2W033.mail2web.com>

A protest sign seen at the recent anti-war demonstration in Washington, DC:
 
 "WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE HIM A BLOW JOB 
SO WE CAN HAVE HIM IMPEACHED?"


now, there's a thought!

 Dagmar

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From djbrook at hevanet.com  Fri Oct 28 07:04:18 2005
From: djbrook at hevanet.com (Doris J. Brook)
Date: Fri Oct 28 10:12:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] sings of the times - wickedly funny
References: <380-220051052841221180@M2W033.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <002501c5dbc8$80d1ea70$6b00a8c0@djb>

Reminds me of my favorite protest sign from Hair, "Nixon pull out like your
father should have!"

-Doris

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:12 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] sings of the times - wickedly funny


> A protest sign seen at the recent anti-war demonstration in Washington,
DC:
>
>  "WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE HIM A BLOW JOB
> SO WE CAN HAVE HIM IMPEACHED?"
>
>
> now, there's a thought!
>
>  Dagmar
>


From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 28 17:09:01 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Fri Oct 28 17:17:00 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..
Message-ID: <20051029000901.34392.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>

I just went out and bought the RENT motion picture soundtrack. Many people have said that RENT reminds them of HAIR. (I can see minor simularities ie: Both plays have a four letter title..  Both deal with subject matters that most people of the time periods would rather sweep under a rug or ignore, both have a really powerful musical score, and both captured the hearts of millions and went on to make millions as well. And now.. Both have been made into motion pictures.) I for one can't wait to see the movie.. The soundtrack, atleast what I have heard of it.. (just got it 20 minutes ago) seems really good, great voices and good production. I saw the play twice and loved it both times..  Guess I am just wondering what other Hairy folks think about the play, the score, the movie, and the conection if any to HAIR. 
As Mike Myers would say... "Talk amongst yourselves."
 
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Fri Oct 28 17:31:48 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Fri Oct 28 17:39:54 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..
In-Reply-To: <20051029000901.34392.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BF881104.252C1%michael@michaelbutler.com>

As David Bowie said. "It isn't HAIR"
Rent is lucky as the Producer was able to move unfettered.
Michael

> I just went out and bought the RENT motion picture soundtrack. Many people
> have said that RENT reminds them of HAIR. (I can see minor simularities ie:
> Both plays have a four letter title..  Both deal with subject matters that
> most people of the time periods would rather sweep under a rug or ignore, both
> have a really powerful musical score, and both captured the hearts of millions
> and went on to make millions as well. And now.. Both have been made into
> motion pictures.) I for one can't wait to see the movie.. The soundtrack,
> atleast what I have heard of it.. (just got it 20 minutes ago) seems really
> good, great voices and good production. I saw the play twice and loved it both
> times..  Guess I am just wondering what other Hairy folks think about the
> play, the score, the movie, and the conection if any to HAIR.
> As Mike Myers would say... "Talk amongst yourselves."
> 
> JIMMY P
> 
> 
> 
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Fri Oct 28 18:46:58 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Fri Oct 28 18:55:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..
References: <BF881104.252C1%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <022201c5dc2a$aa4df4e0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

i thought rent was very derivative of HAIR when i saw it
but god bless them for doing something significant
etc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..


> As David Bowie said. "It isn't HAIR"
> Rent is lucky as the Producer was able to move unfettered.
> Michael
>
> > I just went out and bought the RENT motion picture soundtrack. Many
people
> > have said that RENT reminds them of HAIR. (I can see minor simularities
ie:
> > Both plays have a four letter title..  Both deal with subject matters
that
> > most people of the time periods would rather sweep under a rug or
ignore, both
> > have a really powerful musical score, and both captured the hearts of
millions
> > and went on to make millions as well. And now.. Both have been made into
> > motion pictures.) I for one can't wait to see the movie.. The
soundtrack,
> > atleast what I have heard of it.. (just got it 20 minutes ago) seems
really
> > good, great voices and good production. I saw the play twice and loved
it both
> > times..  Guess I am just wondering what other Hairy folks think about
the
> > play, the score, the movie, and the conection if any to HAIR.
> > As Mike Myers would say... "Talk amongst yourselves."
> >
> > JIMMY P
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 28 19:20:09 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Fri Oct 28 19:28:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..
In-Reply-To: <BF881104.252C1%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <20051029022009.73705.qmail@web54206.mail.yahoo.com>

Did Bowie say that?  That's cool... I have much respect and admiration for David.  J!MMY P

Michael Butler <michael@michaelbutler.com> wrote:As David Bowie said. "It isn't HAIR"
Rent is lucky as the Producer was able to move unfettered.
Michael

> I just went out and bought the RENT motion picture soundtrack. Many people
> have said that RENT reminds them of HAIR. (I can see minor simularities ie:
> Both plays have a four letter title.. Both deal with subject matters that
> most people of the time periods would rather sweep under a rug or ignore, both
> have a really powerful musical score, and both captured the hearts of millions
> and went on to make millions as well. And now.. Both have been made into
> motion pictures.) I for one can't wait to see the movie.. The soundtrack,
> atleast what I have heard of it.. (just got it 20 minutes ago) seems really
> good, great voices and good production. I saw the play twice and loved it both
> times.. Guess I am just wondering what other Hairy folks think about the
> play, the score, the movie, and the conection if any to HAIR.
> As Mike Myers would say... "Talk amongst yourselves."
> 
> JIMMY P
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From thefundepartment at comcast.net  Sat Oct 29 09:50:28 2005
From: thefundepartment at comcast.net (The Fun Department)
Date: Sat Oct 29 09:54:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..
In-Reply-To: <20051029022009.73705.qmail@web54206.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <BF881104.252C1%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <v03007800bf89581e39c7@[192.168.2.2]>

>Did Bowie say that?&nbsp; That's cool... I have much respect and
>admiration for David.

ME TOO!!!  Several years ago I took my daughter (at the time age 18) and
her best friend to see RENT.   They thought it was just "okay", not
thrilling or exciting like HAiR.

I've always had tremendous respect and admiration for David Bowie (named my
beautiful, white cat with two different color eyes after him).  Now my
respect has deepened based on his obvious good taste.


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From lilacamy11 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 29 11:17:49 2005
From: lilacamy11 at yahoo.com (Amy Kazan)
Date: Sat Oct 29 11:25:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Sign of the Times
In-Reply-To: <200510281900.j9SJ09Kt005949@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <20051029181749.72561.qmail@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


> "WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE HIM A BLOW JOB 
>SO WE CAN HAVE HIM IMPEACHED?"

But who would want to volunteer for that.... ewwwwwwww

-Amy



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From thefundepartment at comcast.net  Sat Oct 29 12:38:29 2005
From: thefundepartment at comcast.net (The Fun Department)
Date: Sat Oct 29 12:43:36 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Sign of the Times
In-Reply-To: <20051029181749.72561.qmail@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <200510281900.j9SJ09Kt005949@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <v03007800bf8980189e4a@[192.168.2.2]>

>> "WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE HIM A BLOW JOB
>>SO WE CAN HAVE HIM IMPEACHED?"
>
>But who would want to volunteer for that.... ewwwwwwww
>
Not even Laura.  Double ewwwwwwwwwwww!

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From laurie at cubedsquared.com  Sat Oct 29 12:55:15 2005
From: laurie at cubedsquared.com (Laurie Hodges)
Date: Sat Oct 29 13:03:12 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..
References: <BF881104.252C1%michael@michaelbutler.com>
	<v03007800bf89581e39c7@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <001901c5dcc2$aede7d70$6501a8c0@Cubed21>

Several friends from 'back home' performed in RENT -- and yes, it's true --  
it's NOT Hair-- but the story of how it came to be, and the sad accolades 
after a death that came too early by any stretch of the imagination... lends 
itself to a story and a history and a identity all its own.

Not everyone can be as wonderful - -touche, but the show was in its own 
right, remarkable.

By the way, speaking of remarkable -- Bowie's manager of 18 years is one of 
the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of 'working' with - -I guess 
'birds of a feather' is more than just a cliche ;)

-Laurie
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To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..


> >Did Bowie say that?&nbsp; That's cool... I have much respect and
>>admiration for David.
>
> ME TOO!!!  Several years ago I took my daughter (at the time age 18) and
> her best friend to see RENT.   They thought it was just "okay", not
> thrilling or exciting like HAiR.
>
> I've always had tremendous respect and admiration for David Bowie (named 
> my
> beautiful, white cat with two different color eyes after him).  Now my
> respect has deepened based on his obvious good taste.
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sat Oct 29 15:13:36 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sat Oct 29 15:21:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..
References: <BF881104.252C1%michael@michaelbutler.com>
	<v03007800bf89581e39c7@[192.168.2.2]>
	<001901c5dcc2$aede7d70$6501a8c0@Cubed21>
Message-ID: <001801c5dcd6$022c58e0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

its also though one again has to keep in mind
how rare a piece of the quality of RENT is
even though RENT is not HAIR
which being a real full fledged major masterpiece like something by
dostoyevsky or bizets carmen etc
is still even rarer
but RENT is a fine serious piece/attempt etc at something important
i think
although granted it is not HAIR or even MAME for that matter
TWO GENTS was brilliant incidentally as well although not profound
intellectually in the way that HAIR was
but a brilliant brilliant show in my opinion
which was not well served by the last revival in the park


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurie Hodges" <laurie@cubedsquared.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..


> Several friends from 'back home' performed in RENT -- and yes, it's
true -- 
> it's NOT Hair-- but the story of how it came to be, and the sad accolades
> after a death that came too early by any stretch of the imagination...
lends
> itself to a story and a history and a identity all its own.
>
> Not everyone can be as wonderful - -touche, but the show was in its own
> right, remarkable.
>
> By the way, speaking of remarkable -- Bowie's manager of 18 years is one
of
> the nicest people I've ever had the pleasure of 'working' with - -I guess
> 'birds of a feather' is more than just a cliche ;)
>
> -Laurie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Fun Department" <thefundepartment@comcast.net>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's opinions..
>
>
> > >Did Bowie say that?&nbsp; That's cool... I have much respect and
> >>admiration for David.
> >
> > ME TOO!!!  Several years ago I took my daughter (at the time age 18) and
> > her best friend to see RENT.   They thought it was just "okay", not
> > thrilling or exciting like HAiR.
> >
> > I've always had tremendous respect and admiration for David Bowie (named
> > my
> > beautiful, white cat with two different color eyes after him).  Now my
> > respect has deepened based on his obvious good taste.
> >
> >
> > http://www.thefundepartment.com
> > http://www.almostcher.com
> > http://www.jeezband.com
> >
> >
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From mblaxill at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 29 17:25:33 2005
From: mblaxill at yahoo.com (Mike Blaxill)
Date: Sat Oct 29 17:33:35 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
In-Reply-To: <200510291900.j9TJ0Bhb008511@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <20051030002533.29111.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com>

in my humble opinion - doesn't even come close to
Hair, which has way better music, is way more
engaging...really no comparison

i thought Rent had one or two good songs (the one
with the 36900(?) minutes, another one about
Sante Fe was decent) - the narrative was kind of
random - it was just ok - and Hair is a
masterpiece

just my opinion

----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:09:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: James Pappaconstantine
> <georgeberger69@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's
> opinions..
> To: Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Message-ID:
>
<20051029000901.34392.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I just went out and bought the RENT motion
> picture soundtrack. Many people have said that
> RENT reminds them of HAIR. (I can see minor
> simularities ie: Both plays have a four letter
> title..  Both deal with subject matters that
> most people of the time periods would rather
> sweep under a rug or ignore, both have a really
> powerful musical score, and both captured the
> hearts of millions and went on to make millions
> as well. And now.. Both have been made into
> motion pictures.) I for one can't wait to see
> the movie.. The soundtrack, atleast what I have
> heard of it.. (just got it 20 minutes ago)
> seems really good, great voices and good
> production. I saw the play twice and loved it
> both times..  Guess I am just wondering what
> other Hairy folks think about the play, the
> score, the movie, and the conection if any to
> HAIR. 
> As Mike Myers would say... "Talk amongst
> yourselves."
>  
> JIMMY P
> 
> 

From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sat Oct 29 21:03:16 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sat Oct 29 21:11:32 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV691082A74D12A21426261AB6D0@phx.gbl>

Hey Guys... lets stop comparing and let "Rent" stand on its own for the writers sake who never got to know of its success....just a little thought.  :-)

peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Blaxill
Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:25:33 -0700
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32

in my humble opinion - doesn't even come close to
Hair, which has way better music, is way more
engaging...really no comparison

i thought Rent had one or two good songs (the one
with the 36900(?) minutes, another one about
Sante Fe was decent) - the narrative was kind of
random - it was just ok - and Hair is a
masterpiece

just my opinion

----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:09:01 -0700 (PDT)
> From: James Pappaconstantine
> <georgeberger69@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's
> opinions..
> To: Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Message-ID:
>
<20051029000901.34392.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I just went out and bought the RENT motion
> picture soundtrack. Many people have said that
> RENT reminds them of HAIR. (I can see minor
> simularities ie: Both plays have a four letter
> title..  Both deal with subject matters that
> most people of the time periods would rather
> sweep under a rug or ignore, both have a really
> powerful musical score, and both captured the
> hearts of millions and went on to make millions
> as well. And now.. Both have been made into
> motion pictures.) I for one can't wait to see
> the movie.. The soundtrack, atleast what I have
> heard of it.. (just got it 20 minutes ago)
> seems really good, great voices and good
> production. I saw the play twice and loved it
> both times..  Guess I am just wondering what
> other Hairy folks think about the play, the
> score, the movie, and the conection if any to
> HAIR. 
> As Mike Myers would say... "Talk amongst
> yourselves."
>  
> JIMMY P
> 
> 

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From VinUschi at t-online.de  Sat Oct 29 20:25:03 2005
From: VinUschi at t-online.de (Vincent Edwards)
Date: Sun Oct 30 02:25:31 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] oh what a night 
Message-ID: <43643D0E.1DC9844E@t-online.de>

hi tribe what a beautiful time you must have had on sep 10  our world
breathed  a sigh of relief on that day uschi angel  and me we lit a
giant candle in the monestry panoramitis on the tiny island of symi at
the time of your be in you all look wonderful and happy love and peace
to you all if any one makes a dvd please send me one  its good to be
back  vincent  www.vincentedwards.com

From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sun Oct 30 03:35:26 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun Oct 30 03:43:30 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Mugsy, THE UNCLE FLOYD SHOW,. Rest In Peace
In-Reply-To: mb-hair-request@islandlists.com's message of Sat, 29 Oct 2005
	12:00:11 -0700
Message-ID: <12864-4364AFFE-6481@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net>


This just ruined my weekend. 

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkzJmZnYmVsN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2ODAwNDQw 
(Craig Calame Remembered)

THE UNCLE FLOYD SHOW was a cult comedy program that began running,
DAILY, for years, in the mid-70s, out of New Jersey.   Many legendary
rock bands appeared through the years...  (Lennon, Paul Simon, and
Bowie, were fans...)   More significantly, when it was on NBC-New York
in the early '80s, it was one of the only funny things on, late at
night... A few years later, it became one of the mosty popular series
ever, in the history of PBS' The New Jersey Network. 

Although I was on a few UNCLE FLOYD SHOWS, acting in skits, I was a fan
of the series, much earlier, and for far longer. 

Mugsy was one of that wonderfully talented bunch. 

On the set, Mugsy was fun, kind, and professional. 

I couldn't begin to count the number of laughs I got, while watching him
on the other set, the one in all of our living rooms.


Jim Burns

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Oct 30 08:09:09 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Oct 30 08:17:20 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
References: <BAY5-DAV691082A74D12A21426261AB6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004b01c5dd6c$46a82bc0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

hey barbara its just a discussion on literary theory and perfectly okay to
have
im a trained dramatic scholar ; these questions are interesting to some of
us
which is fine if its not interesting to you
dont participate then
we are big boys and girls and require no supervision or thought police
the question of currents thematics trends both qualitative and quantitative
in drama are important and fascinating
and worthy of analysis
if thats your bent as it as mine; okay?
i for one as a working dramaturge in a free america
will make all the literary comparisons i want any time i want anywhere
just another little thought
peace

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barbara Siomos" <barbarasiomos38@msn.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32


> Hey Guys... lets stop comparing and let "Rent" stand on its own for the
writers sake who never got to know of its success....just a little thought.
:-)
>
> peace,
> barbara
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Blaxill
> Sent: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:25:33 -0700
> To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
> Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
>
> in my humble opinion - doesn't even come close to
> Hair, which has way better music, is way more
> engaging...really no comparison
>
> i thought Rent had one or two good songs (the one
> with the 36900(?) minutes, another one about
> Sante Fe was decent) - the narrative was kind of
> random - it was just ok - and Hair is a
> masterpiece
>
> just my opinion
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:09:01 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: James Pappaconstantine
> > <georgeberger69@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [Mb-hair] Love to hear people's
> > opinions..
> > To: Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > Message-ID:
> >
> <20051029000901.34392.qmail@web54205.mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I just went out and bought the RENT motion
> > picture soundtrack. Many people have said that
> > RENT reminds them of HAIR. (I can see minor
> > simularities ie: Both plays have a four letter
> > title..  Both deal with subject matters that
> > most people of the time periods would rather
> > sweep under a rug or ignore, both have a really
> > powerful musical score, and both captured the
> > hearts of millions and went on to make millions
> > as well. And now.. Both have been made into
> > motion pictures.) I for one can't wait to see
> > the movie.. The soundtrack, atleast what I have
> > heard of it.. (just got it 20 minutes ago)
> > seems really good, great voices and good
> > production. I saw the play twice and loved it
> > both times..  Guess I am just wondering what
> > other Hairy folks think about the play, the
> > score, the movie, and the conection if any to
> > HAIR.
> > As Mike Myers would say... "Talk amongst
> > yourselves."
> >
> > JIMMY P
> >
> >
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Sun Oct 30 08:12:13 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Oct 30 08:20:16 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] one reason a comparison between HAIR and RENT is
	important is
Message-ID: <007801c5dd6c$b0c31ab0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

that although RENT is not HAIR; its one of the very few serious attempts in the same modern post modern rock genre as HAIR of some substantive quality scope
and importance; as even vehicles such as RENT are unfortunately so extremely rare; an analysis of the components is mandated; so that more HAIRS and or even
RENTS can be generated in a field of Christina Applegates is Sweet Charities or Avenue Qs.

in my subjective opinion
peace

richard in the project pit
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Sun Oct 30 08:26:25 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] eg in my subjective opinion 
Message-ID: <01a601c5dd6d$8d77a750$f1476c42@hotprojects>

if everything were at least the quality of RENT
we would have a much much better theater as a whole by yards
and i am not someone who idolizes RENT nor thinks its incredible
nor thinks its something absolutely marvelous like HAIR
eg like many people two generations after me eg in their late 20s do
RENT being of their time
and theyre not having necessarily the same kind of organic hookup or even knowledge
of HAIR that we were are fortunate enought have
peace

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From jameshburns at webtv.net  Sun Oct 30 08:27:01 2005
From: jameshburns at webtv.net (Jim Burns)
Date: Sun Oct 30 08:35:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Kristof On: MAO THE UNKNOWN STORY
Message-ID: <11545-4364F455-6571@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net>


A good reminder, particularly to those on the far left, in this long
--but well worth reading--article from last week's NEW YORK TIMES SUNDAY
BOOK REVIEW, to be careful of whom you deem a hero....  (Kristof's
denoument, however, is more than a little creepy.)


Review:
MAO  The Unknown Story. 
By Jung Chang and Jon Halliday. 
Illustrated. 814 pp. Alfred A. Knopf. $35. 
     


'Mao': The Real Mao  
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: October 23, 2005

If Chairman Mao had been truly prescient, he would have located a little
girl in Sichuan Province named Jung Chang and "mie jiuzu"- killed her
and wiped out all her relatives to the ninth degree. 

But instead that girl grew up, moved to Britain and has now written a
biography of Mao that will help destroy his reputation forever. Based on
a decade of meticulous interviews and archival research, this
magnificent biography methodically demolishes every pillar of Mao's
claim to sympathy or legitimacy.

Almost seven decades ago, Edgar Snow's "Red Star Over China" helped make
Mao a heroic figure to many around the world. It marked an opening
bookend for Mao's sunny place in history - and this biography will now
mark the other bookend. 

When I first opened this book, I was skeptical. Chang is the author of
"Wild Swans," a hugely successful account of three generations of women
in her family, and it was engaging but not a work of scholarship. I was
living in China when it appeared, and my Chinese friends and I were all
surprised at its success, for the experiences she recounted were sad but
not unusual. As for this biography, written together with her husband,
Jon Halliday, a historian, I expected it to be similarly fat but slight.
Also, the subtitle is "The Unknown Story" - which, after all that has
been written about Mao, made me cringe. 

Yet this is a magisterial work. True, much of Mao's brutality has
already emerged over the years, but this biography supplies substantial
new information and presents it all in a stylish way that will put it on
bedside tables around the world. No wonder the Chinese government has
banned not only this book but issues of magazines with reviews of it,
for Mao emerges from these pages as another Hitler or Stalin.
In that regard, I have reservations about the book's judgments, for my
own sense is that Mao, however monstrous, also brought useful changes to
China. And at times the authors seem so eager to destroy him that I
wonder if they exclude exculpatory evidence. But more on those cavils
later.

Mao is not only a historical figure, of course, but is part of the
(tattered) web of legitimacy on which the People's Republic rests. He is
part of the founding mythology of the Chinese government, the Romulus
and Remus of "People's China," and that's why his portrait hangs in
Tiananmen Square. Even among ordinary Chinese, Mao retains a hold on the
popular imagination, and some peasants in different parts of China have
started traditional religious shrines honoring him. That's the ultimate
honor for an atheist - he has become a god. 

Mao's sins in later life are fairly well known, and even Chen Yun, one
of the top Chinese leaders in the 1980's, suggested that it might have
been best if Mao had died in 1956. This biography shows, though, that
Mao was something of a fraud from Day 1. 

The authors assert, for example, that he was not in fact a founding
member of the Chinese Communist Party, as is widely believed, and that
the party was founded in 1920 rather than 1921. Moreover, they rely on
extensive research in Russian archives to show that the Chinese party
was entirely under the thumb of the Russians. In one nine-month period
in the 1920's, for example, 94 percent of the party's funding came from
Russia, and only 6 percent was raised locally. Mao rose to be party
leader not because he was the favorite of his fellow Chinese, but
because Moscow chose him. And one reason Moscow chose him was that he
excelled in sycophancy: he once told the Russians that "the latest
Comintern order" was so brilliant that "it made me jump for joy 300
times."

Mao has always been celebrated as a great peasant leader and military
strategist. But this biography mocks that claim. The mythology dates
from the "Autumn Harvest Uprising" of 1927. But, according to Chang and
Halliday, Mao wasn't involved in the fighting and in fact sabotaged it -
until he hijacked credit for it afterward.

It's well known that Mao's first wife (or second, depending on how you
count), Yang Kaihui, was killed in 1930 by a warlord rival of Mao's. But
not much else is known of her. Now Chang and Halliday quote from
poignant unsent letters that were discovered during renovations of her
old home in 1982 and in 1990. The letters reveal both a deep love for
Mao and a revulsion for the brutality of her time (and of her husband).
"Kill, kill, kill!" she wrote in one letter, which became a kind of
memoir of her life. "All I hear is this sound in my ears! Why are human
beings so evil? Why so cruel?" Mao could easily have saved this gentle
woman, the mother of his first three children, for he passed near the
home where he had left her. But he didn't lift a finger, and she was
shot to death at the age of 29.
    
By this time, the book relates, many in the Red Army distrusted Mao - so
he launched a brutal purge of the Communist ranks. He wrote to party
headquarters that he had discovered 4,400 subversives in the army and
had tortured them all and executed most of them. A confidential report
found that a quarter of the entire Red Army under Mao at the time was
slaughtered, often after they were tortured in such ways as having
red-hot rods forced into their rectums. 

One of the most treasured elements of Chinese Communist history is the
Long March, the iconic flight across China to safety in the northwest.
It is usually memorialized as a journey in which Mao and his comrades
showed incredible courage and wisdom in sneaking through enemy lines and
overcoming every hardship. Chang and Halliday undermine every element of
that conventional wisdom. 

First, they argue that Mao and the Red Army escaped and began the Long
March only because Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek deliberately allowed
them to. They argue that Chiang wanted to send his own troops into three
southwestern provinces but worried about antagonizing the local
warlords. So he channeled the Red Army into those provinces on the Long
March and then, at the invitation of the alarmed warlords, sent in
troops to expel the Communists and thus succeeded in bringing the
wayward provinces into his domain. 

More startling, they argue that Mao didn't even walk most of the Long
March - he was carried. "On the march, I was lying in a litter," they
quote Mao as saying decades later. "So what did I do? I read. I read a
lot." Now, that's bourgeois.

The most famous battle of the Long March was the Communists' crossing of
the Dadu Bridge, supposedly a heroic assault under enemy fire. Harrison
Salisbury's 1985 book, "The Long March," describes a "suicide attack"
over a bridge that had been mostly dismantled, then soaked with kerosene
and set on fire. But Chang and Halliday write that this battle was a
complete fabrication, and in a triumph of scholarship they cite evidence
that all 22 men who led the crossing survived and received gifts
afterward of a Lenin suit and a fountain pen. None was even wounded.
They quote Zhou Enlai as expressing concern afterward because a horse
had been lost while crossing the bridge. 

The story continues in a similar vein: Mao had a rival, Wang Ming,
poisoned and nearly killed while in their refuge in Yenan. Mao welcomed
the Japanese invasion of China, because he thought this would lead to a
Russian counterinvasion and a chance for him to lead a Russian puppet
regime. Far from leading the struggle against the Japanese invaders, Mao
ordered the Red Army not to fight the Japanese and was furious when
other Communist leaders skirmished with them. Indeed, Mao is said to
have collaborated with Japanese intelligence to undermine the Chinese
Nationalist forces. 

Almost everybody is tarnished. Madame Sun Yat-sen, also known as Song
Qingling, is portrayed as a Soviet agent, albeit not very convincingly.
And Zhang Xueliang, the "Young Marshal" who is widely remembered as a
hero in China for kidnapping Chiang Kai-shek to force him to fight the
Japanese, is portrayed as a power-hungry coup-monger. I knew the Young
Marshal late in his life, and his calligraphy for my Chinese name adorns
the Chinese version of my business cards, but now I'm wondering if I
should get new cards. 

After Mao comes to power, Chang and Halliday show him continuing his
thuggery. This is more familiar ground, but still there are revelations.
Mao used the Korean War as a chance to slaughter former Nationalist
soldiers. And Mao says some remarkable things about the peasants he was
supposed to be championing. When they were starving in the 1950's, he
instructed: "Educate peasants to eat less, and have more thin gruel. The
State should try its hardest . . . to prevent peasants eating too much."
In Moscow, he offered to sacrifice the lives of 300 million Chinese,
half the population at the time, and in 1958 he blithely declared of the
overworked population: "Working like this, with all these projects, half
of China may well have to die."
    
At times, Mao seems nuts. He toyed with getting rid of people's names
and replacing them with numbers. And discussing the possible destruction
of the earth with nuclear weapons, he mused that "this might be a big
thing for the solar system, but it would still be an insignificant
matter as far as the universe as a whole is concerned." 

Chang and Halliday recount how the Great Leap Forward led to the worst
famine in world history in the late 1950's and early 1960's, and how in
1966 Mao clawed his way back to supreme power in the chaos of the
Cultural Revolution. Some of the most fascinating material involves Zhou
Enlai, the longtime prime minister, who comes across as a complete toady
of Mao, even though Mao tormented him by forcing him to make
self-criticisms and by seating him in third-rate seats during meetings.
In the mid-1970's, Zhou was suffering from cancer and yet Mao refused to
allow him to get treatment - wanting Zhou to be the one to die first.
"Operations are ruled out for now" for Zhou, Mao declared on May 9,
1974. "Absolutely no room for argument." And so, sure enough, Zhou died
in early 1976, and Mao in September that year. 

This is an extraordinary portrait of a monster, who the authors say was
responsible for more than 70 million deaths. But how accurate is it? A
bibliography and endnotes give a sense of sourcing, and they are
impressive: the authors claim to have talked to everyone from Mao's
daughter, Li Na, to his mistress, Zhang Yufeng, to Presidents George H.
W. Bush and Gerald Ford. But it's not clear how much these people said.
One of those listed as a source is Zhang Hanzhi, Mao's English teacher
and close associate; she's also one of my oldest Chinese friends, so I
checked with her. Zhang Hanzhi said that she had indeed met informally
with Chang two or three times but had declined to be interviewed and
never said anything substantial. I hope that Chang and Halliday will
share some of their source materials, either on the Web or with other
scholars, so that it will be possible to judge how fairly and accurately
they have reached their conclusions. 

My own feeling is that most of the facts and revelations seem pretty
well backed up, but that ambiguities are not always adequately
acknowledged. To their credit, the authors seem to have steered clear of
relying on some of the Hong Kong magazines that traffic in a blurry mix
of fact and fiction, but it is still much harder to ferret out the truth
than they acknowledge. The memoirs and memories they rely on may be
trustworthy, most of the time, but I question the tone of brisk
self-confidence that the authors use in recounting events and quotations
- and I worry that some things may be hyped. 

Take the great famine from 1958 to 1961. The authors declare that "close
to 38 million people died," and in a footnote they cite a Chinese
population analysis of mortality figures in those years. Well, maybe.
But there have been many expert estimates in scholarly books and
journals of the death toll, ranging widely, and in reality no one really
knows for sure - and certainly the mortality data are too crude to
inspire confidence. The most meticulous estimates by demographers who
have researched the famine toll are mostly lower than this book's:
Judith Banister estimated 30 million; Basil Ashton also came up with 30
million; and Xizhe Peng suggested about 23 million. Simply plucking a
high-end estimate out of an article and embracing it as the one true
estimate worries me; if that is stretched, then what else is?

Another problem: Mao comes across as such a villain that he never really
becomes three-dimensional. As readers, we recoil from him but don't
really understand him. He is presented as such a bumbling psychopath
that it's hard to comprehend how he bested all his rivals to lead China
and emerge as one of the most worshipped figures of the last century. 

Finally, there is Mao's place in history. I agree that Mao was a
catastrophic ruler in many, many respects, and this book captures that
side better than anything ever written. But Mao's legacy is not all bad.
Land reform in China, like the land reform in Japan and Taiwan, helped
lay the groundwork for prosperity today. The emancipation of women and
end of child marriages moved China from one of the worst places in the
world to be a girl to one where women have more equality than in, say,
Japan or Korea. Indeed, Mao's entire assault on the old economic and
social structure made it easier for China to emerge as the world's new
economic dragon. 

Perhaps the best comparison is with Qinshihuang, the first Qin emperor,
who 2,200 years ago unified China, built much of the Great Wall,
standardized weights and measures and created a common currency and
legal system - but burned books and buried scholars alive. The Qin
emperor was as savage and at times as insane as Mao - but his success in
integrating and strengthening China laid the groundwork for the next
dynasty, the Han, one of the golden eras of Chinese civilization. In the
same way, I think, Mao's ruthlessness was a catastrophe at the time,
brilliantly captured in this extraordinary book - and yet there's more
to the story: Mao also helped lay the groundwork for the rebirth and
rise of China after five centuries of slumber.


Nicholas D. Kristof, a columnist for The New York Times, has written
books about China and Asia together with his wife, Sheryl WuDunn.


Published: October 23, 2005

? Copyright 2005 The New York Times Company


From lilacamy11 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 30 12:59:22 2005
From: lilacamy11 at yahoo.com (Amy Kazan)
Date: Sun Oct 30 13:07:27 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent
In-Reply-To: <200510291900.j9TJ0Bhb008511@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <20051030205922.23270.qmail@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>>>
I for one can't wait to 
see the movie.. The soundtrack, atleast what I have
heard of it.. (just 
got it 20 minutes ago) seems really good, great voices
and good 
production. I saw the play twice and loved it both
times..  Guess I am just 
wondering what other Hairy folks think about the play,
the score, the 
movie, and the conection if any to HAIR. 
>>>

I can't wait to see the movie either.... I have seen
previews and I am really excited.

I love RENT. I think it is a wonderful play and
although I don't think it's really "Hair of the 90s"
as some have said, I do see similarities. The
biggested similarity for me is the feeling I'm left
with at the end of both plays. Both with Hair and
Rent, I'm left with this feeling of togetherness and
support and joy in spite of problems in the world. 


- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the musical)


		
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From barbarasiomos38 at msn.com  Sun Oct 30 13:18:42 2005
From: barbarasiomos38 at msn.com (Barbara Siomos)
Date: Sun Oct 30 13:26:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Mugsy, THE UNCLE FLOYD SHOW,. Rest In Peace
Message-ID: <BAY5-DAV23BD3300CF30784D38977FAB6D0@phx.gbl>

Sorry to hear about your Pal Jim.... Seems like he brought a lot of joy to a lot of people.

With Peace,
barbara

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Burns
Sent: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:35:26 -0800
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com
Subject: [Mb-hair] Mugsy, THE UNCLE FLOYD SHOW,. Rest In Peace


This just ruined my weekend. 

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkzJmZnYmVsN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2ODAwNDQw 
(Craig Calame Remembered)

THE UNCLE FLOYD SHOW was a cult comedy program that began running,
DAILY, for years, in the mid-70s, out of New Jersey.   Many legendary
rock bands appeared through the years...  (Lennon, Paul Simon, and
Bowie, were fans...)   More significantly, when it was on NBC-New York
in the early '80s, it was one of the only funny things on, late at
night... A few years later, it became one of the mosty popular series
ever, in the history of PBS' The New Jersey Network. 

Although I was on a few UNCLE FLOYD SHOWS, acting in skits, I was a fan
of the series, much earlier, and for far longer. 

Mugsy was one of that wonderfully talented bunch. 

On the set, Mugsy was fun, kind, and professional. 

I couldn't begin to count the number of laughs I got, while watching him
on the other set, the one in all of our living rooms.


Jim Burns

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From thefundepartment at comcast.net  Sun Oct 30 21:19:20 2005
From: thefundepartment at comcast.net (The Fun Department)
Date: Sun Oct 30 21:23:59 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
In-Reply-To: <20051030002533.29111.qmail@web53003.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <200510291900.j9TJ0Bhb008511@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <v03007800bf8b59b01e36@[192.168.2.2]>

>in my humble opinion - doesn't even come close to
>Hair, which has way better music, is way more
>engaging...really no comparison
>
>i thought Rent had one or two good songs (the one
>with the 36900(?) minutes, another one about
>Sante Fe was decent) - the narrative was kind of
>random - it was just ok - and Hair is a
>masterpiece
>
>just my opinion
>
mine too.
>>
>
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From thefundepartment at comcast.net  Sun Oct 30 21:20:53 2005
From: thefundepartment at comcast.net (The Fun Department)
Date: Sun Oct 30 21:25:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
In-Reply-To: <BAY5-DAV691082A74D12A21426261AB6D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <v03007801bf8b59fb2fa8@[192.168.2.2]>

>Hey Guys... lets stop comparing and let "Rent" stand on its own for the
>writers sake who never got to know of its success....just a little
>thought.  :-)
>
>peace,
>barbara
>

Blessed are the peacemakers.   Thank you.

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From VinUschi at t-online.de  Sun Oct 30 19:48:01 2005
From: VinUschi at t-online.de (Vincent Edwards)
Date: Mon Oct 31 02:48:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] re david bowie
Message-ID: <436593F1.B6835380@t-online.de>

hi tribe nice to see david bowie mentioned some trivial info you may not
know  david auditioned for the london hair in 1968   he didint make the
tribe it would have been interesting if he had love you all vincent

From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 02:56:35 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 03:04:42 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent
References: <20051030205922.23270.qmail@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006901c5de09$c34443b0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

the problem with rent why rent is narrower i think in my opinion
is that so much of it revolves around transexuals homosexuals the late night
scene in NYC etc
which although this is very familiar indigenous to us in the theater, in
greenwhich village etc
in cosmpolitan cities such as NY and San Francisco
is not universal in the way that the hippies of HAIR were in their time
that was the problem i had with rent
it dealt for me with too small a subpopulation
eg im first a wild village director and i dont have a visceral response to
the transexuals
it is not familiar or immediate to me
i dont know just my opinion

R

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amy Kazan" <lilacamy11@yahoo.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent


> >>>
> I for one can't wait to
> see the movie.. The soundtrack, atleast what I have
> heard of it.. (just
> got it 20 minutes ago) seems really good, great voices
> and good
> production. I saw the play twice and loved it both
> times..  Guess I am just
> wondering what other Hairy folks think about the play,
> the score, the
> movie, and the conection if any to HAIR.
> >>>
>
> I can't wait to see the movie either.... I have seen
> previews and I am really excited.
>
> I love RENT. I think it is a wonderful play and
> although I don't think it's really "Hair of the 90s"
> as some have said, I do see similarities. The
> biggested similarity for me is the feeling I'm left
> with at the end of both plays. Both with Hair and
> Rent, I'm left with this feeling of togetherness and
> support and joy in spite of problems in the world.
>
>
> - Amy
>
> "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
cummings
>
> "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
musical)
>
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 03:11:19 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 03:19:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
References: <200510291900.j9TJ0Bhb008511@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
	<v03007800bf8b59b01e36@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <01b701c5de0b$d22713b0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

i would agree RENT does not come close to HAIR
however given the quality of whats out there RENT is very superior to most
stuff
which may be a sad comment
?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Fun Department" <thefundepartment@comcast.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32


> >in my humble opinion - doesn't even come close to
> >Hair, which has way better music, is way more
> >engaging...really no comparison
> >
> >i thought Rent had one or two good songs (the one
> >with the 36900(?) minutes, another one about
> >Sante Fe was decent) - the narrative was kind of
> >random - it was just ok - and Hair is a
> >masterpiece
> >
> >just my opinion
> >
> mine too.
> >>
> >
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>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 03:13:36 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 03:21:41 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
References: <v03007801bf8b59fb2fa8@[192.168.2.2]>
Message-ID: <01c001c5de0c$23cd5440$f1476c42@hotprojects>

again barbara theres no need for a peacemaker
maybe youre looking to find a war?

its a literary discussion barbara
there is nothing ominous confrontive or non peacey in it

its a literary analysis
and these discussions are imporant

in the development and currents of dramatic literature
respectfully barbara 
stop being the thought police
please

R


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Fun Department" <thefundepartment@comcast.net>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32


> >Hey Guys... lets stop comparing and let "Rent" stand on its own for the
> >writers sake who never got to know of its success....just a little
> >thought.  :-)
> >
> >peace,
> >barbara
> >
> 
> Blessed are the peacemakers.   Thank you.
> 
> http://www.thefundepartment.com
> http://www.almostcher.com
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> 
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From laurie at cubedsquared.com  Mon Oct 31 05:15:13 2005
From: laurie at cubedsquared.com (Laurie Hodges)
Date: Mon Oct 31 05:23:19 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
References: <v03007801bf8b59fb2fa8@[192.168.2.2]>
	<01c001c5de0c$23cd5440$f1476c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <006a01c5de1d$2137cc90$6501a8c0@Cubed21>

Richard - -

"The Fun Department" responded to Barbara - -thanking her for being a 'peace 
maker' - -Barbara did not 'resend' her note nor further impose her 
position - so why are you responding defensively to barbara yet again.

Perhaps YOU are the one looking to find a war.

stop being antagonistic - please.  it takes the 'fun' out of reading the 
banter between intelligent people -- granted it's a fine line and yes, I 
agree with your opinion that we should all enjoy the 'right' to discuss and 
disagree -- -but barbara's not the one dancing on the line of being 
offensive - you are.

and a happy goodmorning to all :)

peace
Laurie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32


> again barbara theres no need for a peacemaker
> maybe youre looking to find a war?
>
> its a literary discussion barbara
> there is nothing ominous confrontive or non peacey in it
>
> its a literary analysis
> and these discussions are imporant
>
> in the development and currents of dramatic literature
> respectfully barbara
> stop being the thought police
> please
>
> R
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The Fun Department" <thefundepartment@comcast.net>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
>
>
>> >Hey Guys... lets stop comparing and let "Rent" stand on its own for the
>> >writers sake who never got to know of its success....just a little
>> >thought.  :-)
>> >
>> >peace,
>> >barbara
>> >
>>
>> Blessed are the peacemakers.   Thank you.
>>
>> http://www.thefundepartment.com
>> http://www.almostcher.com
>> http://www.jeezband.com
>>
>>
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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 05:38:04 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Mon Oct 31 05:46:07 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] re david bowie
In-Reply-To: <436593F1.B6835380@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <20051031133804.67937.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>

Wow!! Thanks Vincent. Wow.. Can you imagine..??  Bowie as who?? Claude? Margeret Mead??? That would have been very cool..  Jimmy P

Vincent Edwards <VinUschi@t-online.de> wrote:hi tribe nice to see david bowie mentioned some trivial info you may not
know david auditioned for the london hair in 1968 he didint make the
tribe it would have been interesting if he had love you all vincent

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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 05:47:01 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
References: <v03007801bf8b59fb2fa8@[192.168.2.2]>
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I am not being antagonistic
I was having literary discussion which i found fascinating
and was told to stop
I couldnt disagree with you more
and just because you and barbara say something doesnt make it so
I dont see how what i said was offensive in the least
I dont need someone to play thought police when Im having a literary
discussion
This nonsense where someone expresses a reservation etc
and if the word peace isnt said obligatorily its taken to be negative is
nonsense
the discussion we were having is important
and peacemaker what?
there was nothing to make peace about
we were having a literary discussion
peace and have a good morning

R

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Laurie Hodges" <laurie@cubedsquared.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32


> Richard - -
>
> "The Fun Department" responded to Barbara - -thanking her for being a
'peace
> maker' - -Barbara did not 'resend' her note nor further impose her
> position - so why are you responding defensively to barbara yet again.
>
> Perhaps YOU are the one looking to find a war.
>
> stop being antagonistic - please.  it takes the 'fun' out of reading the
> banter between intelligent people -- granted it's a fine line and yes, I
> agree with your opinion that we should all enjoy the 'right' to discuss
and
> disagree -- -but barbara's not the one dancing on the line of being
> offensive - you are.
>
> and a happy goodmorning to all :)
>
> peace
> Laurie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
>
>
> > again barbara theres no need for a peacemaker
> > maybe youre looking to find a war?
> >
> > its a literary discussion barbara
> > there is nothing ominous confrontive or non peacey in it
> >
> > its a literary analysis
> > and these discussions are imporant
> >
> > in the development and currents of dramatic literature
> > respectfully barbara
> > stop being the thought police
> > please
> >
> > R
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "The Fun Department" <thefundepartment@comcast.net>
> > To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
> >
> >
> >> >Hey Guys... lets stop comparing and let "Rent" stand on its own for
the
> >> >writers sake who never got to know of its success....just a little
> >> >thought.  :-)
> >> >
> >> >peace,
> >> >barbara
> >> >
> >>
> >> Blessed are the peacemakers.   Thank you.
> >>
> >> http://www.thefundepartment.com
> >> http://www.almostcher.com
> >> http://www.jeezband.com
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 05:41:35 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 05:49:45 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] re david bowie
References: <20051031133804.67937.qmail@web54204.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c5de20$d164a180$f1476c42@hotprojects>

bowie could have been woof 
?
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Pappaconstantine 
  To: VinUschi@t-online.de ; mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 8:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] re david bowie


  Wow!! Thanks Vincent. Wow.. Can you imagine..??  Bowie as who?? Claude? Margeret Mead??? That would have been very cool..  Jimmy P

  Vincent Edwards <VinUschi@t-online.de> wrote: 
    hi tribe nice to see david bowie mentioned some trivial info you may not
    know david auditioned for the london hair in 1968 he didint make the
    tribe it would have been interesting if he had love you all vincent

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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 05:59:15 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] anyway dont wish to fight with anyone
Message-ID: <000801c5de22$25a45c30$f1476c42@hotprojects>

just wanted to have literary discussion
which i see is not possible

good morning to all 
and peace

R

( one would think a bunch of people in the business might be interested in seeing what a working auteur who whatever you think of me is on the front lines of creating new musicals etc with major people, has to say; that purely from a scientific/data pt of view; one would think my reflections would be of some use ? ( even if you vehemently disagree with them )

i think the  rent /hair discussion is a fascinating topic with much good/ and useful information that can come out of it.
Again need for what peacemaker; nobody was fighting
?

The notion of literary/production analysis is very important
For example; a current problem in the production of HAIR
is that phenomenalogically ( not qualitatively ) first class productions of the show are not working commercially currently
( although second class productions are ) ( the terms first and second class denoting structural levels of production not quality )
this is a reverse on the first class level of what was true 1968 - 1976 where there were numerous world major productions of HAIR that were successful
even if the factors are socio political which in the largest part i believe they are
( eg the commercially failed 1977 revival was in my opinion a qualitatively beautiful show that should have succeeded )
these questions need to be delved into
and vigorously thought out
it is not an act of hostility to do so

good morning to all
im going back to transliterating pagliacci

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From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Mon Oct 31 06:25:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent
In-Reply-To: <006901c5de09$c34443b0$f1476c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20051031141729.39410.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>


OK.. So I started this ball and then have been sitting back watching it roll around.. Ha ha .. But I feel I should pipe my 2 cents in again.. 

 

To me Rent wasn't as much about transsexual.. as much as it was about Aides. Just as Hair for me wasn't so much about Hippies as it was about Vietnam. For me both plays used a certain vehicle ie: hippie, and transsexual as the general public would see them closest to the subject.. or that they would be more passionate about the cause. I know that Hair for me, gave me the opportunity to play a Hippy and to come as close as I could to that style of life just as Rent (If I had done it) would give me a closer look at that side of life. I feel that you become a certain character to get the story across, and though the characters themselves may be strong.. the story is still the most important. 

 

As far as songs... I feel Rent has many strong songs.. The first time I heard it, I was doing Jesus Christ Superstar and before a rehearsal cast members were hanging around a boom box listening to it.. I didn't get it.. Nothing jumped out at me as catchy.. but then I wasn't listening that close.. Maybe a year later.. I was watching the Today show and they had the cast of Rent doing two songs.. The first was, Today for you, tomorrow for me.. I stopped getting ready for work and started watching it.. It totally captivated me. The second song was 525600 minutes.. And again.. I was hooked right in... Nice melodies, great voices.. I went out and bought the CD.. Playing it in the car, even on the first listen my kids tunned right in.. and I explained the story to them. They loved it. I'd later take them and my Mother to see it on Broadway and all felt it was a fabulous show. 

I'm not trying to take anything away from HAIR.. I also think HAIR is a wonderful play and look inside a lifestyle who is sharing this great story with a great moral. And I am not saying that Rent may Mirror Hair as I really don't think it does.. I think they both stand on their own as great works.. As a Virgo though.. I can see both sides of the fence and I do see similarities.. 

 

I think it's the same with anything.. Back in the day.. Beatles fans were outraged that people might say the Monkees were similar to the Beatles.. (Hell I'm still outraged about that.. ha ha ) But I think it is human nature to compare and find the closest likenesses to something we are familiar with. People often ask me.."What does your band sound like?" or "What kind of music does your band play?" my answers are always "us" and "rock n roll" but they press on.. "But who would you compare yourselves too?" How do you do that? How can you compare yourself to another band that has made it on another level than yourselves? I always then mix up a bunch of bands... "We're like Aerosmith meets Alice Cooper, add a little Bowie ,some Marilyn Manson then a touch of Beatles." That'll come close. We're an original band, in our 40's, We play like us, We are not out to impress or take over the world.. If people dig our sound cool, if they don't that's fine too.. Whoops.. off task here.. I 
 guess my
 point is.. That people can't understand what they don't know or haven't seen or heard.. so someone asking what Rent is like.. may get the answer it is similar to Hair only in current time.. Even though it may not be.. It is something to compare it too. 

 

Anyway.. Time to get ready for work.. 

 

Jimmy P. 

 

Oh and lastly.. I don't feel anyone on this list has dissd. Rent.. I know someone mentioned that this topic should be left alone ... On the contrary.. I think it has been a good open discussion and an answer to my query of what people think of the topic. It has also made the list that seemed to be pretty quiet for the past couple of weeks.. come alive again.

 


 
the problem with rent why rent is narrower i think in my opinion
is that so much of it revolves around transexuals homosexuals the late night
scene in NYC etc
which although this is very familiar indigenous to us in the theater, in
greenwhich village etc
in cosmpolitan cities such as NY and San Francisco
is not universal in the way that the hippies of HAIR were in their time
that was the problem i had with rent
it dealt for me with too small a subpopulation
eg im first a wild village director and i dont have a visceral response to
the transexuals
it is not familiar or immediate to me
i dont know just my opinion

R

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amy Kazan" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent


> >>>
> I for one can't wait to
> see the movie.. The soundtrack, atleast what I have
> heard of it.. (just
> got it 20 minutes ago) seems really good, great voices
> and good
> production. I saw the play twice and loved it both
> times.. Guess I am just
> wondering what other Hairy folks think about the play,
> the score, the
> movie, and the conection if any to HAIR.
> >>>
>
> I can't wait to see the movie either.... I have seen
> previews and I am really excited.
>
> I love RENT. I think it is a wonderful play and
> although I don't think it's really "Hair of the 90s"
> as some have said, I do see similarities. The
> biggested similarity for me is the feeling I'm left
> with at the end of both plays. Both with Hair and
> Rent, I'm left with this feeling of togetherness and
> support and joy in spite of problems in the world.
>
>
> - Amy
>
> "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
cummings
>
> "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
musical)
>
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 06:24:30 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 06:32:37 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent
References: <20051031141729.39410.qmail@web54209.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601c5de26$ceb1ced0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

understand im from the village
greenwhich village director
i am very familiar with the whole scene as depicted in rent
i just wonder about its universality
wonder how it will do as film
for general world audiences
as opposed to the obvious success for theatrical audiences in nyc los angeles boston
wonder how they will warm to rent on a wide wide level in middle america
should be interesting

?

these issues need to be gone into
there is a paucity of good stuff
and there is great difficulty now mounting anything
costwise politics union considerations

the problem in our business is we dont have the kind of interchange of ideas etc
that other businesses/ disciplines have
there is not enough serious intellectual thought on these dramaturgical matters i think

i would also say again

it is not negative to say watch out for the pothole

it is positive because then maybe you wont fall into it

?


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Pappaconstantine 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:17 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent


  OK.. So I started this ball and then have been sitting back watching it roll around.. Ha ha .. But I feel I should pipe my 2 cents in again.. 



  To me Rent wasn't as much about transsexual.. as much as it was about Aides. Just as Hair for me wasn't so much about Hippies as it was about Vietnam. For me both plays used a certain vehicle ie: hippie, and transsexual as the general public would see them closest to the subject.. or that they would be more passionate about the cause. I know that Hair for me, gave me the opportunity to play a Hippy and to come as close as I could to that style of life just as Rent (If I had done it) would give me a closer look at that side of life. I feel that you become a certain character to get the story across, and though the characters themselves may be strong.. the story is still the most important. 



  As far as songs... I feel Rent has many strong songs.. The first time I heard it, I was doing Jesus Christ Superstar and before a rehearsal cast members were hanging around a boom box listening to it.. I didn't get it.. Nothing jumped out at me as catchy.. but then I wasn't listening that close.. Maybe a year later.. I was watching the Today show and they had the cast of Rent doing two songs.. The first was, Today for you, tomorrow for me.. I stopped getting ready for work and started watching it.. It totally captivated me. The second song was 525600 minutes.. And again.. I was hooked right in... Nice melodies, great voices.. I went out and bought the CD.. Playing it in the car, even on the first listen my kids tunned right in.. and I explained the story to them. They loved it. I'd later take them and my Mother to see it on Broadway and all felt it was a fabulous show. 

  I'm not trying to take anything away from HAIR.. I also think HAIR is a wonderful play and look inside a lifestyle who is sharing this great story with a great moral. And I am not saying that Rent may Mirror Hair as I really don't think it does.. I think they both stand on their own as great works.. As a Virgo though.. I can see both sides of the fence and I do see similarities.. 



  I think it's the same with anything.. Back in the day.. Beatles fans were outraged that people might say the Monkees were similar to the Beatles.. (Hell I'm still outraged about that.. ha ha ) But I think it is human nature to compare and find the closest likenesses to something we are familiar with. People often ask me.."What does your band sound like?" or "What kind of music does your band play?" my answers are always "us" and "rock n roll" but they press on.. "But who would you compare yourselves too?" How do you do that? How can you compare yourself to another band that has made it on another level than yourselves? I always then mix up a bunch of bands... "We're like Aerosmith meets Alice Cooper, add a little Bowie ,some Marilyn Manson then a touch of Beatles." That'll come close. We're an original band, in our 40's, We play like us, We are not out to impress or take over the world.. If people dig our sound cool, if they don't that's fine too.. Whoops.. of f task here.. I guess my point is.. That people can't understand what they don't know or haven't seen or heard.. so someone asking what Rent is like.. may get the answer it is similar to Hair only in current time.. Even though it may not be.. It is something to compare it too. 



  Anyway.. Time to get ready for work.. 



  Jimmy P. 



  Oh and lastly.. I don't feel anyone on this list has dissd. Rent.. I know someone mentioned that this topic should be left alone ... On the contrary.. I think it has been a good open discussion and an answer to my query of what people think of the topic. It has also made the list that seemed to be pretty quiet for the past couple of weeks.. come alive again.




   
    the problem with rent why rent is narrower i think in my opinion
    is that so much of it revolves around transexuals homosexuals the late night
    scene in NYC etc
    which although this is very familiar indigenous to us in the theater, in
    greenwhich village etc
    in cosmpolitan cities such as NY and San Francisco
    is not universal in the way that the hippies of HAIR were in their time
    that was the problem i had with rent
    it dealt for me with too small a subpopulation
    eg im first a wild village director and i dont have a visceral response to
    the transexuals
    it is not familiar or immediate to me
    i dont know just my opinion

    R

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "Amy Kazan" 
    To: 
    Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:59 PM
    Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent


    > >>>
    & gt; I for one can't wait to
    > see the movie.. The soundtrack, atleast what I have
    > heard of it.. (just
    > got it 20 minutes ago) seems really good, great voices
    > and good
    > production. I saw the play twice and loved it both
    > times.. Guess I am just
    > wondering what other Hairy folks think about the play,
    > the score, the
    > movie, and the conection if any to HAIR.
    > >>>
    >
    > I can't wait to see the movie either.... I have seen
    > previews and I am really excited.
    >
    > I love RENT. I think it is a wonderful play and
    > although I don't think it's really "Hair of the 90s"
    > as some have said, I do see similarities. The
    > biggested similarity for me is the feeling I'm left
    > with at the end of both plays. Both with Hair and
    > Rent, I'm left with this feeling of togetherness and
    > support and joy in spite of problems in the world.
    >
    >
    > - Amy
    >
    > "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
    cummings
    >
    > "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
    musical)
    >
    >
    >
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 06:27:47 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 06:35:52 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] stylistically rent is similar to hair
Message-ID: <002401c5de27$43eb92d0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

there are passages in the music that are evocative of hair note wise etc
i think very much johnathan was trying to emulate hair in part
i dont see anythign wrong with that
and in fact applaud it
eg there are not enough musicals in contemporary idioms
be they rock hip hop etc

we all have different takes on things
for me personally having a boheme adaptation sketched out on the back burner
my choice would be to set in harlem ( which is the new greenwhich village here in nyc in a sense )
in the future ( say about ten yars from now )
and to keep the puccini music but to play it with a rock and roll band
new english lyrics etc
that would be my choice

?

everyone has a different take

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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 06:48:11 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Mon Oct 31 06:56:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent
In-Reply-To: <001601c5de26$ceb1ced0$f1476c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20051031144811.38873.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>

Richard Writes
 
"i just wonder about its universality
wonder how it will do as film
for general world audiences"
 
I'm not sure how it will do.. I am hopeing it will do very well.. But I think.. just as Hair "the movie" had to be made.. (and may have fell a little short of it's mark) so does Rent. I think it is one more step to raise the public's conciseness about issues that though people know about, tend to sweep under rugs like dirty little secrets. Aides is out there.. War is out there.. Poverty is out there.. Hell not even out there.. Right here.. I think it our jobs as human beings to make people aware that we are as much opposed to these issues as others are for them.. It'll be interesting to see what the movie does.. and the backlash that might come from it.. but the important thing is too keep them talking.. bad or good.. you keep them talking and more and more people become aware of their surroundings.
 
 


richard haase <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com> wrote: understand im from the village
greenwhich village director
i am very familiar with the whole scene as depicted in rent
i just wonder about its universality
wonder how it will do as film
for general world audiences
as opposed to the obvious success for theatrical audiences in nyc los angeles boston
wonder how they will warm to rent on a wide wide level in middle america
should be interesting
 
?
 
these issues need to be gone into
there is a paucity of good stuff
and there is great difficulty now mounting anything
costwise politics union considerations
 
the problem in our business is we dont have the kind of interchange of ideas etc
that other businesses/ disciplines have
there is not enough serious intellectual thought on these dramaturgical matters i think
 
i would also say again
 
it is not negative to say watch out for the pothole
 
it is positive because then maybe you wont fall into it
 
?
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: James Pappaconstantine 
To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent



OK.. So I started this ball and then have been sitting back watching it roll around.. Ha ha .. But I feel I should pipe my 2 cents in again.. 

 

To me Rent wasn't as much about transsexual.. as much as it was about Aides. Just as Hair for me wasn't so much about Hippies as it was about Vietnam. For me both plays used a certain vehicle ie: hippie, and transsexual as the general public would see them closest to the subject.. or that they would be more passionate about the cause. I know that Hair for me, gave me the opportunity to play a Hippy and to come as close as I could to that style of life just as Rent (If I had done it) would give me a closer look at that side of life. I feel that you become a certain character to get the story across, and though the characters themselves may be strong.. the story is still the most important. 

 

As far as songs... I feel Rent has many strong songs.. The first time I heard it, I was doing Jesus Christ Superstar and before a rehearsal cast members were hanging around a boom box listening to it.. I didn't get it.. Nothing jumped out at me as catchy.. but then I wasn't listening that close.. Maybe a year later.. I was watching the Today show and they had the cast of Rent doing two songs.. The first was, Today for you, tomorrow for me.. I stopped getting ready for work and started watching it.. It totally captivated me. The second song was 525600 minutes.. And again.. I was hooked right in... Nice melodies, great voices.. I went out and bought the CD.. Playing it in the car, even on the first listen my kids tunned right in.. and I explained the story to them. They loved it. I'd later take them and my Mother to see it on Broadway and all felt it was a fabulous show. 

I'm not trying to take anything away from HAIR.. I also think HAIR is a wonderful play and look inside a lifestyle who is sharing this great story with a great moral. And I am not saying that Rent may Mirror Hair as I really don't think it does.. I think they both stand on their own as great works.. As a Virgo though.. I can see both sides of the fence and I do see similarities.. 

 

I think it's the same with anything.. Back in the day.. Beatles fans were outraged that people might say the Monkees were similar to the Beatles.. (Hell I'm still outraged about that.. ha ha ) But I think it is human nature to compare and find the closest likenesses to something we are familiar with. People often ask me.."What does your band sound like?" or "What kind of music does your band play?" my answers are always "us" and "rock n roll" but they press on.. "But who would you compare yourselves too?" How do you do that? How can you compare yourself to another band that has made it on another level than yourselves? I always then mix up a bunch of bands... "We're like Aerosmith meets Alice Cooper, add a little Bowie ,some Marilyn Manson then a touch of Beatles." That'll come close. We're an original band, in our 40's, We play like us, We are not out to impress or take over the world.. If people dig our sound cool, if they don't that's fine too.. Whoops.. of f task here.. I
  guess
 my point is.. That people can't understand what they don't know or haven't seen or heard.. so someone asking what Rent is like.. may get the answer it is similar to Hair only in current time.. Even though it may not be.. It is something to compare it too. 

 

Anyway.. Time to get ready for work.. 

 

Jimmy P. 

 

Oh and lastly.. I don't feel anyone on this list has dissd. Rent.. I know someone mentioned that this topic should be left alone ... On the contrary.. I think it has been a good open discussion and an answer to my query of what people think of the topic. It has also made the list that seemed to be pretty quiet for the past couple of weeks.. come alive again.

 


 
the problem with rent why rent is narrower i think in my opinion
is that so much of it revolves around transexuals homosexuals the late night
scene in NYC etc
which although this is very familiar indigenous to us in the theater, in
greenwhich village etc
in cosmpolitan cities such as NY and San Francisco
is not universal in the way that the hippies of HAIR were in their time
that was the problem i had with rent
it dealt for me with too small a subpopulation
eg im first a wild village director and i dont have a visceral response to
the transexuals
it is not familiar or immediate to me
i dont know just my opinion

R

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amy Kazan" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent


> >>>
& gt; I for one can't wait to
> see the movie.. The soundtrack, atleast what I have
> heard of it.. (just
> got it 20 minutes ago) seems really good, great voices
> and good
> production. I saw the play twice and loved it both
> times.. Guess I am just
> wondering what other Hairy folks think about the play,
> the score, the
> movie, and the conection if any to HAIR.
> >>>
>
> I can't wait to see the movie either.... I have seen
> previews and I am really excited.
>
> I love RENT. I think it is a wonderful play and
> although I don't think it's really "Hair of the 90s"
> as some have said, I do see similarities. The
> biggested similarity for me is the feeling I'm left
> with at the end of both plays. Both with Hair and
> Rent, I'm left with this feeling of togetherness and
> support and joy in spite of problems in the world.
>
>
> - Amy
>
> "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
cummings
>
> "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
musical)
>
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 07:50:19 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 07:58:40 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent
References: <20051031144811.38873.qmail@web54213.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005301c5de32$cd62c320$f1476c42@hotprojects>

understand i am not advancing an opinion
im looking at the whole thing empiricaly scientifically
as a dramaturge
not routing or not not routing
?

did you see the film yet?

thats why i say HAIR needs minor updating
i agree with the people in england
although they may or may not have pulled it off
widely divergent opinion about that
but if i do another production of HAIR
which i hope to
i will set mine five to ten years in the future
but no ipods
lol
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: James Pappaconstantine 
  To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent


  Richard Writes

  "i just wonder about its universality
  wonder how it will do as film
  for general world audiences"

  I'm not sure how it will do.. I am hopeing it will do very well.. But I think.. just as Hair "the movie" had to be made.. (and may have fell a little short of it's mark) so does Rent. I think it is one more step to raise the public's conciseness about issues that though people know about, tend to sweep under rugs like dirty little secrets. Aides is out there.. War is out there.. Poverty is out there.. Hell not even out there.. Right here.. I think it our jobs as human beings to make people aware that we are as much opposed to these issues as others are for them.. It'll be interesting to see what the movie does.. and the backlash that might come from it.. but the important thing is too keep them talking.. bad or good.. you keep them talking and more and more people become aware of their surroundings.




  richard haase <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com> wrote: 
    understand im from the village
    greenwhich village director
    i am very familiar with the whole scene as depicted in rent
    i just wonder about its universality
    wonder how it will do as film
    for general world audiences
    as opposed to the obvious success for theatrical audiences in nyc los angeles boston
    wonder how they will warm to rent on a wide wide level in middle america
    should be interesting

    ?

    these issues need to be gone into
    there is a paucity of good stuff
    and there is great difficulty now mounting anything
    costwise politics union considerations

    the problem in our business is we dont have the kind of interchange of ideas etc
    that other businesses/ disciplines have
    there is not enough serious intellectual thought on these dramaturgical matters i think

    i would also say again

    it is not negative to say watch out for the pothole

    it is positive because then maybe you wont fall into it

    ?


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: James Pappaconstantine 
      To: mb-hair@islandlists.com 
      Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 9:17 AM
      Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent


      OK.. So I started this ball and then have been sitting back watching it roll around.. Ha ha .. But I feel I should pipe my 2 cents in again.. 



      To me Rent wasn't as much about transsexual.. as much as it was about Aides. Just as Hair for me wasn't so much about Hippies as it was about Vietnam. For me both plays used a certain vehicle ie: hippie, and transsexual as the general public would see them closest to the subject.. or that they would be more passionate about the cause. I know that Hair for me, gave me the opportunity to play a Hippy and to come as close as I could to that style of life just as Rent (If I had done it) would give me a closer look at that side of life. I feel that you become a certain character to get the story across, and though the characters themselves may be strong.. the story is still the most important. 



      As far as songs... I feel Rent has many strong songs.. The first time I heard it, I was doing Jesus Christ Superstar and before a rehearsal cast members were hanging around a boom box listening to it.. I didn't get it.. Nothing jumped out at me as catchy.. but then I wasn't listening that close.. Maybe a year later.. I was watching the Today show and they had the cast of Rent doing two songs.. The first was, Today for you, tomorrow for me.. I stopped getting ready for work and started watching it.. It totally captivated me. The second song was 525600 minutes.. And again.. I was hooked right in... Nice melodies, great voices.. I went out and bought the CD.. Playing it in the car, even on the first listen my kids tunned right in.. and I explained the story to them. They loved it. I'd later take them and my Mother to see it on Broadway and all felt it was a fabulous show. 

      I'm not trying to take anything away from HAIR.. I also think HAIR is a wonderful play and look inside a lifestyle who is sharing this great story with a great moral. And I am not saying that Rent may Mirror Hair as I really don't think it does.. I think they both stand on their own as great works.. As a Virgo though.. I can see both sides of the fence and I do see similarities.. 



      I think it's the same with anything.. Back in the day.. Beatles fans were outraged that people might say the Monkees were similar to the Beatles.. (Hell I'm still outraged about that.. ha ha ) But I think it is human nature to compare and find the closest likenesses to something we are familiar with. People often ask me.."What does your band sound like?" or "What kind of music does your band play?" my answers are always "us" and "rock n roll" but they press on.. "But who would you compare yourselves too?" How do you do that? How can you compare yourself to another band that has made it on another level than yourselves? I always then mix up a bunch of bands... "We're like Aerosmith meets Alice Cooper, add a little Bowie ,some Marilyn Manson then a touch of Beatles." That'll come close. We're an original band, in our 40's, We play like us, We are not out to impress or take over the world.. If people dig our sound cool, if they don't that's fine too.. Whoops.. of f task here.. I guess my point is.. That people can't understand what they don't know or haven't seen or heard.. so someone asking what Rent is like.. may get the answer it is similar to Hair only in current time.. Even though it may not be.. It is something to compare it too. 



      Anyway.. Time to get ready for work.. 



      Jimmy P. 



      Oh and lastly.. I don't feel anyone on this list has dissd. Rent.. I know someone mentioned that this topic should be left alone ... On the contrary.. I think it has been a good open discussion and an answer to my query of what people think of the topic. It has also made the list that seemed to be pretty quiet for the past couple of weeks.. come alive again.




       
        the problem with rent why rent is narrower i think in my opinion
        is that so much of it revolves around transexuals homosexuals the late night
        scene in NYC etc
        which although this is very familiar indigenous to us in the theater, in
        greenwhich village etc
        in cosmpolitan cities such as NY and San Francisco
        is not universal in the way that the hippies of HAIR were in their time
        that was the problem i had with rent
        it dealt for me with too small a subpopulation
        eg im first a wild village director and i dont have a visceral response to
        the transexuals
        it is not familiar or immediate to me
        i dont know just my opinion

        R

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: "Amy Kazan" 
        To: 
        Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 3:59 PM
        Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent


        > >>>
        & amp; gt; I for one can't wait to
        > see the movie.. The soundtrack, atleast what I have
        > heard of it.. (just
        > got it 20 minutes ago) seems really good, great voices
        > and good
        > production. I saw the play twice and loved it both
        > times.. Guess I am just
        > wondering what other Hairy folks think about the play,
        > the score, the
        > movie, and the conection if any to HAIR.
        > >>>
        >
        > I can't wait to see the movie either.... I have seen
        > previews and I am really excited.
        >
        > I love RENT. I think it is a wonderful play and
        > although I don't think it's really "Hair of the 90s"
        > as some have said, I do see similarities. The
        > biggested similarity for me is the feeling I'm left
        > with at the end of both plays. Both with Hair and
        > Rent, I'm left with this feeling of togetherness and
        > support and joy in spite of problems in the world.
        >
        >
        > ; - Amy
        >
        > "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
        cummings
        >
        > "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
        musical)
        >
        >
        >
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 07:52:12 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 08:00:18 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RENT is a serious attempt at something
Message-ID: <006f01c5de33$0f128ee0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

eg re just the source material alone

i dont think its a great work of art like HAIR
but i think it is a fine piece of work
in a field where most stuff successful or not
is not often of awfully high quality in my opinion

R
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From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 08:01:29 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] i hope you will all attend my next production
Message-ID: <008b01c5de33$38cbb5e0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

It is slated to star tribe members
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From lilacamy11 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 08:37:03 2005
From: lilacamy11 at yahoo.com (Amy Kazan)
Date: Mon Oct 31 08:56:47 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent
In-Reply-To: <200510311558.j9VFwjEh013718@dune.islandtechnologies.net>
Message-ID: <20051031163703.39299.qmail@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>>>>>
i am very familiar with the whole scene as depicted in
rent
i just wonder about its universality
wonder how it will do as film
for general world audiences
>>>>>

I think it is pretty universal.... at least in
Chicago, the late-night scene in "Boystown" is similar
to that in RENT.

And I think the universal theme of "connection in an
isolating age" will come through (and it's the same
theme in HAIR)


- Amy

"in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e. cummings

"Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the musical)


		
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From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Oct 31 09:09:23 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Oct 31 09:17:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RENT
Message-ID: <BF8B8FC3.253E0%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Hi,
Do I dare enter what might be considered a firefight, not yet a war?
Well, here goes:
As for RENT I went with the Rado's (Jim & Ted) and their younger family
members. We were disappointed. On reflection I feel that this was a set up.
We were curious as to what was being pushed as the new HAIR. Well as Bowie
said, "it was not HAIR". I think Broadway was desperate for something to
replace or equate with HAIR. Something whereas the 'establishment' could
assuage the improper treatment of HAIR with the Tony's. I also wanted so
much to see something new come to B'way. Something to follow or succeed to
take over the HAIR mantle.
I think RENT seen without that baggage would have been a pleasant evening,
certainly more exciting and important than most of the current period of
theatrical offerings-or since HAIR, for that matter.
A better than good show, but not HAIR.
Thus I can only wish the film the best and hope the play continues.

As for the controversy surrounding the tribal comments about this subject,
may I make a suggestion? When any of us, who basically are loving tribal
members, wants to take exception to the comments of others please be
cautious as to what you write. Not the opinion but how you say it counts.

Peace and Love,
Michael 

From michael at michaelbutler.com  Mon Oct 31 09:13:28 2005
From: michael at michaelbutler.com (Michael Butler)
Date: Mon Oct 31 09:21:39 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
In-Reply-To: <006a01c5de1d$2137cc90$6501a8c0@Cubed21>
Message-ID: <BF8B90B8.253E4%michael@michaelbutler.com>

Laurie,
Great remarks,
XO M

> Richard - -
> 
> "The Fun Department" responded to Barbara - -thanking her for being a 'peace
> maker' - -Barbara did not 'resend' her note nor further impose her
> position - so why are you responding defensively to barbara yet again.
> 
> Perhaps YOU are the one looking to find a war.
> 
> stop being antagonistic - please.  it takes the 'fun' out of reading the
> banter between intelligent people -- granted it's a fine line and yes, I
> agree with your opinion that we should all enjoy the 'right' to discuss and
> disagree -- -but barbara's not the one dancing on the line of being
> offensive - you are.
> 
> and a happy goodmorning to all :)
> 
> peace
> Laurie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "richard haase" <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com>
> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 6:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
> 
> 
>> again barbara theres no need for a peacemaker
>> maybe youre looking to find a war?
>> 
>> its a literary discussion barbara
>> there is nothing ominous confrontive or non peacey in it
>> 
>> its a literary analysis
>> and these discussions are imporant
>> 
>> in the development and currents of dramatic literature
>> respectfully barbara
>> stop being the thought police
>> please
>> 
>> R
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "The Fun Department" <thefundepartment@comcast.net>
>> To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
>> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Re: Mb-hair Digest, Vol 16, Issue 32
>> 
>> 
>>>> Hey Guys... lets stop comparing and let "Rent" stand on its own for the
>>>> writers sake who never got to know of its success....just a little
>>>> thought.  :-)
>>>> 
>>>> peace,
>>>> barbara
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Blessed are the peacemakers.   Thank you.
>>> 
>>> http://www.thefundepartment.com
>>> http://www.almostcher.com
>>> http://www.jeezband.com
>>> 
>>> 
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 10:39:56 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 10:48:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent
References: <20051031163703.39299.qmail@web34506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004801c5de4a$7d999310$f1476c42@hotprojects>

i hope so
but i wonder
i would debate that the village types are universal to mom and pop america
we shall see
very interesting
chicago is also a big city etc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amy Kazan" <lilacamy11@yahoo.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 11:37 AM
Subject: [Mb-hair] Re: Hair/Rent


> >>>>>
> i am very familiar with the whole scene as depicted in
> rent
> i just wonder about its universality
> wonder how it will do as film
> for general world audiences
> >>>>>
>
> I think it is pretty universal.... at least in
> Chicago, the late-night scene in "Boystown" is similar
> to that in RENT.
>
> And I think the universal theme of "connection in an
> isolating age" will come through (and it's the same
> theme in HAIR)
>
>
> - Amy
>
> "in time of lilacs who proclaim/ the aim of waking is to dream" - e.e.
cummings
>
> "Life is around you and in you . . . Let the sunshine in!" - HAIR (the
musical)
>
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 10:42:15 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 10:50:26 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RENT
References: <BF8B8FC3.253E0%michael@michaelbutler.com>
Message-ID: <007901c5de4a$d1e26af0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

i agree with you totally michael
my estimation exactly
although the pt on the tonys is something i hadnt thought with
no this is not a fire fight
this is literary discussion
im not fighting anyone
the pt about the tonys is right on
i mean who listens to george m today?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Butler" <michael@michaelbutler.com>
To: "HAIR List" <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: [Mb-hair] RENT


> Hi,
> Do I dare enter what might be considered a firefight, not yet a war?
> Well, here goes:
> As for RENT I went with the Rado's (Jim & Ted) and their younger family
> members. We were disappointed. On reflection I feel that this was a set
up.
> We were curious as to what was being pushed as the new HAIR. Well as Bowie
> said, "it was not HAIR". I think Broadway was desperate for something to
> replace or equate with HAIR. Something whereas the 'establishment' could
> assuage the improper treatment of HAIR with the Tony's. I also wanted so
> much to see something new come to B'way. Something to follow or succeed to
> take over the HAIR mantle.
> I think RENT seen without that baggage would have been a pleasant evening,
> certainly more exciting and important than most of the current period of
> theatrical offerings-or since HAIR, for that matter.
> A better than good show, but not HAIR.
> Thus I can only wish the film the best and hope the play continues.
>
> As for the controversy surrounding the tribal comments about this subject,
> may I make a suggestion? When any of us, who basically are loving tribal
> members, wants to take exception to the comments of others please be
> cautious as to what you write. Not the opinion but how you say it counts.
>
> Peace and Love,
> Michael
>
> _______________________________________________
> Mb-hair mailing list
> Mb-hair@islandlists.com
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From cararobindesign at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 31 10:59:50 2005
From: cararobindesign at hotmail.com (Cara Robin)
Date: Mon Oct 31 11:11:25 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] RENT
Message-ID: <BAY103-F37971B4DF871EAFC947C40B46C0@phx.gbl>

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From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 12:11:58 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Mon Oct 31 12:20:03 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Excuse my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <005301c5de32$cd62c320$f1476c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20051031201158.49684.qmail@web50301.mail.yahoo.com>

  


Whatever the arguement is pro or con Hair or Rent it is intolerable that you write AIDS
as"Aides is out there".I can barre a lot of theese misssspelling and idiosyncraties of
everyone's spelling and wording but,that is akin to Reagan not saying that acronym till
his 7th year in office.That is why Silence=Death

 "I think it is one more step to raise the public's conciseness about issues
> that though people know about, tend to sweep under rugs like dirty little secrets.
> Aides is out there.. War is out there.. Poverty is out there.. Hell not even out
> there.. Right here.. I think it our jobs as human beings to make people aware that we
> are as much opposed to these issues as others are for them.. It'll be interesting to
> see what the movie does.." 

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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 12:20:28 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 12:28:34 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Excuse my 2 cents
References: <20051031201158.49684.qmail@web50301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000701c5de58$890df9d0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

oh michael a hell of a lot of people cant spell
and james' heart is in the right place
there is no pro or con HAIR or RENT discussion going on
were just kibbitzing ; discussing literature analyzing
no one is being " pro " or " con " anything
i dont think
>?
lol
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Arian" <michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Excuse my 2 cents


>
>
>
> Whatever the arguement is pro or con Hair or Rent it is intolerable that
you write AIDS
> as"Aides is out there".I can barre a lot of theese misssspelling and
idiosyncraties of
> everyone's spelling and wording but,that is akin to Reagan not saying that
acronym till
> his 7th year in office.That is why Silence=Death
>
>  "I think it is one more step to raise the public's conciseness about
issues
> > that though people know about, tend to sweep under rugs like dirty
little secrets.
> > Aides is out there.. War is out there.. Poverty is out there.. Hell not
even out
> > there.. Right here.. I think it our jobs as human beings to make people
aware that we
> > are as much opposed to these issues as others are for them.. It'll be
interesting to
> > see what the movie does.."
>
> Michael David Arian
> michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com
> "If you can't say something nice about someone, sit by me."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 13:06:28 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Mon Oct 31 13:14:33 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Excuse my 2 cents/2nd try!!
In-Reply-To: <000701c5de58$890df9d0$f1476c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20051031210628.1870.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com>

You miss the point.I give not a s**t about the debate or the spelling and I repeat
Silence+Death.M

--- richard haase <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> oh michael a hell of a lot of people cant spell
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 13:11:34 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 13:20:09 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Excuse my 2 cents/2nd try!!
References: <20051031210628.1870.qmail@web50308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c5de5f$ac8abcc0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

what is the pt youre making ? i really dont understand
what does silence equals death etc the aids slogan have to do with the
literary debate we were having?
in what way was james etc contradicting this
i dont understand the vehemence of your pt or what youre objecting to
if youre objecting to anything

and its okay to miss a pt
not a hanging offense
lol

im really missing the pt of this
not denegrating what youre saying
just really dont understand


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Arian" <michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com>
To: <mb-hair@islandlists.com>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Mb-hair] Excuse my 2 cents/2nd try!!


> You miss the point.I give not a s**t about the debate or the spelling and
I repeat
> Silence+Death.M
>
> --- richard haase <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > oh michael a hell of a lot of people cant spell
>  mailing list
> > Mb-hair@islandlists.com
> > http://www.islandlists.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mb-hair
> >
>
>
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> "If you can't say something nice about someone, sit by me."
>
>
>
>
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From hotprojects at nyc.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 13:13:48 2005
From: hotprojects at nyc.rr.com (richard haase)
Date: Mon Oct 31 13:21:58 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] it would seem to me that james is one of the people who
	care
Message-ID: <001001c5de5f$fc7a4ca0$f1476c42@hotprojects>

eg james papa is not the problem

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From michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 14:30:59 2005
From: michaeldavidarian at yahoo.com (Michael Arian)
Date: Mon Oct 31 14:39:04 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Excuse my 2 cents/2nd try!!
In-Reply-To: <000601c5de5f$ac8abcc0$f1476c42@hotprojects>
Message-ID: <20051031223059.86652.qmail@web50301.mail.yahoo.com>

The point was to hold a mirror up to the"literary debate"I just threw the slogan in to
see if you were paying attention.M

--- richard haase <hotprojects@nyc.rr.com> wrote:

> what is the pt youre making ? i really dont understand
> what does silence equals death etc the aids slogan have to do with the
> literary debate we were having?
> in what way was james etc contradicting this
> i dont understand the vehemence of your pt or what youre objecting to
> if youre objecting to anything
> 
> and its okay to miss a pt
> not a hanging offense
> lol
> 
> im really missing the pt of this
> not denegrating what youre saying
> just really dont understand
 

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From georgeberger69 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 21:30:58 2005
From: georgeberger69 at yahoo.com (James Pappaconstantine)
Date: Mon Oct 31 21:39:17 2005
Subject: [Mb-hair] Excuse my 2 cents
In-Reply-To: <20051031201158.49684.qmail@web50301.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051101053058.75223.qmail@web54215.mail.yahoo.com>

Micheal... ?? Calm down brother.. I have opinions but I have never claimed to be the smartest kid on the block.. far from it.. but hey, thanks for pointing that out..  I am the worlds worst speller and once in awhile I do hit spell check, if I feel I might have too many misspellings.. this one was spell checked but it looked over that as it didn't know what form I was using the word.. 
 
Jimmy P  (aka The worst speller)

Michael Arian <michaeldavidarian@yahoo.com> wrote:



Whatever the arguement is pro or con Hair or Rent it is intolerable that you write AIDS
as"Aides is out there".I can barre a lot of theese misssspelling and idiosyncraties of
everyone's spelling and wording but,that is akin to Reagan not saying that acronym till
his 7th year in office.That is why Silence=Death

"I think it is one more step to raise the public's conciseness about issues
> that though people know about, tend to sweep under rugs like dirty little secrets.
> Aides is out there.. War is out there.. Poverty is out there.. Hell not even out
> there.. Right here.. I think it our jobs as human beings to make people aware that we
> are as much opposed to these issues as others are for them.. It'll be interesting to
> see what the movie does.." 

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